It’s your job to tell your own party members he is you orange, chain smoking, crying fool!

It’s not my job to tell the American People Boehner is not a CRYBABY.

Basically, the question boils down to: Why aren’t you doing Obama’s PR for him. At what point did that become his job?

But notice how the angry left will be enraged by this… but accept when Maher say’s almost the same thing. Both opinions are: “I don’t believe Obama when he says he’s a Christian.”

LOL

HILARIOUS: Did you see BONER’S EYES when they played back that clip: that’s the face of someone confronted with TRUE STUPIDITY

HILARIOUS

“It’s not my job to correct and inform my constituency”

TOO FUNNY

Even more hilarious was that LUNTZ SAMPLE GROUP: I’m surprised they let all those knuckledraggers out of the zoo AT THE SAME TIME

How can you watch that and NOT DIE LAUGHING

David gregory is a smug POS.. I dont remember him asking Pelosi why they were spending the country into oblivion or why the said Fanny and Freddy were sound? In fact somehow he forgit to ask any serious question the the dems when they controlled the House, Senate and Pres.. He a shill for the Dems and he should be tarred and feathered that ole goat

Where have you gone Tim Russert , our nation turns it ‘s lonely eyes to you …?

Luke Russert ?

Anybody at all ?

Great answer John! Tingles and David are the ones pushing the birther movement. Closet birthers!!

I agree, Big Eddie. I really liked Tim. Once in a while, he let his liberalism shine through, but all in all he was pretty fair.

Wow… where was Davids outrage about the 9/11 truthers??? When did he go off on Dems to denouce people who said Bush planned 9/11??? Someone find me that video. Davids outrage about stupid untrue things seems to be REALLY focused on only ONE person.

All republicans do is lie, so why are we surprised when the speaker of the house doesnt care that white people take these lies seriously and as fact?

Oh and IF Obama was a Muslim why is that a bad thing? The Muslim religion is just as bogus as Christianity.

Political Correctness in Optima Forma. Indeed, it is nobodies job to tell others what to think.

SilentSam said:
It’s your job to tell your own party members he is you orange, chain smoking, crying fool!

Thanks Canada !

It’s hard not to be smug when your guests are dancing around the answers like Brisket Palin on a competition show.

BTW Boner saying he doesn’t want to inform his constituency, and the Teabagger guy on the panel saying that he doesn’t want to talk about what to cut in the budget, but that we need to have an “adult conversation” about the budget cuts (I guess he just doesn’t want that conversation on TV in his new suit); it’s hard not to be smug when faced with NON-ANSWERS.

That said: those jokers would not last FIVE SECONDS WITH TIM RUSSERT

Some of these jokers’ political careers would BE OVER if Russert was still alive

Could you imagine Palin on a Russert MTP???? (Hell, just a Gregory MTP…)

Still though: WATCH THIS CLIP

Or WATCH THE WHOLE SHOW

THE LUNTZ SAMPLE = FUNNIER THAN SNL LAST NIGHT

watching those clueless idiots in the focus group is like watching Joey on Friends

The comedy comes from HOW STUPID THEY ARE

SOOOOOOOOOOOO FUNNY

POlitics has REALLY BEEN BRINGING THE LOLS LATELY

Ron C. de Weijze said:
Political Correctness in Optima Forma. Indeed, it is nobodies job to tell others what to think.

Yes.
Surely the party of Lincoln (who Boehner is now a leader) should never have told us Blacks were worth more than 3/5ths of a human. Lincoln should have focused on spending, and listening to the American People.

I’m also Garth .

Onesweetworld79 said:
All republicans do is lie, so why are we surprised when the speaker of the house doesnt care that white people take these lies seriously and as fact? Oh and IF Obama was a Muslim why is that a bad thing? The Muslim religion is just as bogus as Christianity.

Did you say “white” people? And you’re also an expert on religions?? You Ignorant Asswipe

Oh and IF Obama was a Muslim why is that a bad thing? The Muslim religion is just as bogus as Christianity.

I dont know you tell me why the left make every excuse to say he isnt and so does he. If they love Musloms so much than your right it shouldnt be a big deal..

Ah. The art of the hidden insult.

“Hey, Mr. Speaker….since your redneck, web toed, gap toothed, shoeless, brainless, inbred, right wing militia loving, flag waving racist constituants think Obama is a Muslim, shouldn’t you counsel those ignorant children otherwise?

We here at Media Elitist Central know they truly can’t think for themselves and they just won’t let us think for them no matter how hard we try. Fools. Shouldn’t that be your job? ”

Jerkweed.

Tim Russert was a liberal hack just like his pathetic son. Never lost a bit of sleep when that lib croaked.

zumpano said:
Still though: WATCH THIS CLIP

Or WATCH THE WHOLE SHOW

THE LUNTZ SAMPLE = FUNNIER THAN SNL LAST NIGHT

watching those clueless idiots in the focus group is like watching Joey on Friends

The comedy comes from HOW STUPID THEY ARE

SOOOOOOOOOOOO FUNNY

POlitics has REALLY BEEN BRINGING THE LOLS LATELY

Your right, look who is president.. Thats a joke on all of America

It isn’t John Boehner’s job to “stand up to ignorance”. Boehner doesn’t have contempt for the intelligence of the unwashed masses, unlike David Gregory who is a shit-for-brains who carries water for Obama.

This dweeb reporter did everything he could to box Mr.Boehner into a corner, and he failed. Mr.Boehner’s job is to direct his party in the direction the conservative voters approve of. It’s not his job to tell an independently elected Representative what to say, or think.
Mr.Schneider says that we should evaluate the facts. The fact is, Obimbo is doing everything possible to keep the facts under-wraps. That facts are, if Obimbo was born in Hawaii why not provide the birth certificate? The fact is, Obimbo says he’s a Christian yet panders to Muslims. The simple fact is, Obimbo’s facts are whatever he needs them to be to meet his agenda.

Harry Flashman said:
Ah. The art of the hidden insult.

“Hey, Mr. Speaker….since your redneck, web toed, gap toothed, shoeless, brainless, inbred, right wing militia loving, flag waving racist constituants think Obama is a Muslim, shouldn’t you counsel those ignorant children otherwise?

We here at Media Elitist Central know they truly can’t think for themselves and they just won’t let us think for them no matter how hard we try. Fools. Shouldn’t that be your job? ”

Jerkweed.

Or he could have said Why do you think the ignorant, ant iamerican, flag burning, welfare loving, baby killing, drag on society left believes every word that comes out of this muslim loving ,no experience, goofball presidents mouth

zumpano asks:

“Could you imagine Palin on a Russert MTP???? (Hell, just a Gregory MTP…)”

Yeah, actually I can. And when the time comes you’ll be able to not only imagine it but watch her dismantle whichever smug fool goes after her ala Couric.

She won’t be muzzled by the McCain droids this time.

It will be interesting to hear all you lefties squealing like pinched schoolgirls then.

Keep underestimating her and thinking she’s stupid.

Please.

On this one I’m going to have to agree with boehner, it’s the job of the democrats to tell their constituency that 911 wasn’t done by bush it shouldn’t be his responsibility to dispel the muslim conspiracy theory.

I think every time Boehner addresses the House, he should begin by saying “Obama is not a Muslim.”

Is Gregory going to ask every pol this dumb question? Seriously?

By the way (just for all you Palin bashing lefties) here’s what Palin e-mailed to Time magazine about their completely false reporting of “quotes” from her:

“Subject: Great job, MSM!

Jay – pls tell your bosses there at Time Magazine thank you for the invitations to attend the upcoming functions. I’ll sure put a lot of thought into those invitations.

Then, have your editors retract Time’s most recent ridiculous lies about me supposedly giving Sean Hannity a radio interview wherein I supposedly talked about Christina Aguilera (that I slammed her for her Nat’l Anthem mistake, and called for her deportation, etc). You guys were fooled into running a fake story that even US Weekly pulled and apologized for their blunder. Total lies – and you guys (once again) even put quotation marks around things I have never uttered. Then, Time needs to run an apology to Christina along with the retraction. (Add Hannity in your apology, too…those good folks don’t deserve to be in a caustic, untrue story about me.) Thanks much – keep up the great work, Time Magazine.”

Heh. When the time comes for this woman to go on the offensive and not just reaxct to stupidity like this the left will be howling at the moon like grief stricken coyotes.

I can’t wait.

Oh, and here’s the link:

http://nation.foxnews.com/media/2011/02/12/palin-crushes-time-magazine-over-their-lies

Boehner knows those people on Hannity weren’t honest Americans speaking their mind. Those are just Hanitty/Luntz’s phony infomercial group to try to sell fear and hatred to the saps that watch his show.

I’m surprised Boehner didn’t bust out laughing when Gregory implied those were the opinions of real Americans.

In other news, Candy Crowley of CNN even thinks that the WH Budget Director is full of baloney.

SilentSam said:
It’s your job to tell your own party members he is you orange, chain smoking, crying fool!

SilentSam, why don’t you remain silent.

Onesweetworld79 said:
All republicans do is lie, so why are we surprised when the speaker of the house doesnt care that white people take these lies seriously and as fact?

Oh and IF Obama was a Muslim why is that a bad thing? The Muslim religion is just as bogus as Christianity.

You should change your screen name to Onef**kedupworld79.

All those white people are alike.

Seriously, what is it with all the crying with this guy? He seems to be emotionally unstable.

wait, suddenly it’s Speaker Boehner’s job to defend President Obama?

you mean like Speaker Pelosi defended President Bush?

get real.

Harry Flashman said:
By the way (just for all you Palin bashing lefties) here’s what Palin e-mailed to Time magazine about their completely false reporting of “quotes” from her:

Do you and her know of a different article that Time did about her? The only one I know in question was the one on NewsFeed which is basically an internet gossip part of the Time webpage and they never once “quoted” her, they just included a hyper link. I think you and her have been watching too much fox.

http://www.mediaite.com/print/here-we-go-again-time-also-publishes-fake-sarah-palin-comment-about-christina-aguilera/

Nacho said:
Do you and her know of a different article that Time did about her? The only one I know in question was the one on NewsFeed which is basically an internet gossip part of the Time webpage and they never once “quoted” her, they just included a hyper link. I think you and her have been watching too much fox.

http://www.mediaite.com/print/here-we-go-again-time-also-publishes-fake-sarah-palin-comment-about-christina-aguilera/

Time is irrelevant.

Now go make me a plate.

Nacho…

Two things. One: I didn’t create anything. I pasted and linked her response that the Time article. And Time has crawfished.

And, two….did you actually READ the article you just linked to? Just wondering.

WCinWI said:
Time is irrelevant.

Now go make me a plate.

How about Palin supposedly writing that totally ridiculous email and FoxNation reporting it?

Harry Flashman said:
Nacho…

Two things. One: I didn’t create anything. I pasted and linked her response that the Time article. And Time has crawfished.

And, two….did you actually READ the article you just linked to? Just wondering.

I did, and did you actually read the article thatM medeite was referring to? The story wasn’t even about her, they dropped her name in one line and linked to that joke story about her. Times piece was on Conan Obrien.

The “Obama is a Muslim” belief is a fringe belief, roughly equal to the number of people who believe the U.S. government has had contact with flying saucers or who blame the current recession on “the Jews”. People like that will believe what they want to believe in spite of any information you give them. Why anyone would believe such people would change their minds if Speaker Boehner (thought to be too much of a RINO is some quarters) says differently is beyond me.

Is Boehner responsible for telling Bill Maher that Obama is a Christian? How about Nancy Pelosi?

How can Boehner or anybody else besides Obama know for sure who, or what — if anything — the president prays to?

That’s how I would have answered the question: “Religion is a personal thing, and I could no more verify the president’s spiritual beliefs than he could verify mine.”

I also think somebody needs to take the mainstream media to task for its lax standards of accuracy. It’s no more “ignorant” to believe Obama isn’t a Christian than it is to believe Obama is a Christian — NBC can’t prove it either way.

Have we now reached the point in American journalism history where a politician’s word is all the confirmation that NBC considers necessary?

Nacho said:
How about Palin supposedly writing that totally ridiculous email and FoxNation reporting it?

You make no sense.

Someone emails someone. Someone else reports on it. Case closed.

perceptorii said:
The “Obama is a Muslim” belief is a fringe belief, roughly equal to the number of people who believe the U.S. government has had contact with flying saucers or who blame the current recession on “the Jews”. People like that will believe what they want to believe in spite of any information you give them.

There’s nothing “fringe” about it. What “information” do you have that proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, which god (if any) Obama prays to?

Nothing … besides Obama’s word.

Pardon me if I regard that as less than an iron-clad verification.

“they never once “quoted” her, they just included a hyper link”

Well, they said “And you thought Sarah Palin went overboard by commenting that she wanted to deport the singer?”.

That qualifies as a quote. If you are trying to claim that it is not a quote because there are no quotation marks, you are playing a silly semantic game that does not square with definitions found in the dictionary.

They quotes a parody site because they have no concept of journalistic ethics and also because they are partisan liberals. To be fair, most of the mainstream media share these two characteristics.

Upon Further Review asks:

“Have we now reached the point in American journalism history where a politician’s word is all the confirmation that NBC considers necessary?”

They’ve swallow almost anything Obama and the pack of riverboat card sharps surrounding him says hook, line, and sinker, so when that question is aked and it pertains to the left, the answer is an resounding “YES”

For the right, not so much.

WCinWI said:
You make no sense.

Someone emails someone. Someone else reports on it. Case closed.

I’ll interpret that as you saying Palin and FoxNation are irrelevant also.

And I will agree with you on that, but they are good for comic relief.

bobmoses said:
“they never once “quoted” her, they just included a hyper link”

Well, they said “And you thought Sarah Palin went overboard by commenting that she wanted to deport the singer?”.

That qualifies as a quote. If you are trying to claim that it is not a quote because there are no quotation marks, you are playing a silly semantic game that does not square with definitions found in the dictionary.

They quotes a parody site because they have no concept of journalistic ethics and also because they are partisan liberals. To be fair, most of the mainstream media share these two characteristics.

In the context of the tabloid piece about Conan O’Brien making up a story about Christina Aguilera…

Get a clue.

Boehner could tell the American people that 0bama is a coward and poor leader for letting a decorated war hero twist in the wind. 0bama let Lt. Col. Terry Lakin go to prison over his hidden long form birth cert. That is a fact. 0bama not being Muslim, is only a rumor. That BC must have some pretty embarrassing information on it.

Nacho said:
I’ll interpret that as you saying Palin and FoxNation are irrelevant also.

And I will agree with you on that, but they are good for comic relief.

Typical lib – Assumes something that is in fact not true.

Libs are funny.

They also linked to a Letterman joke about Aguilera in the same piece, do you see a pattern?

Nacho said:
They also linked to a Letterman joke about Aguilera in the same piece, do you see a pattern?

Letterman? Do you mean Conan?

What’s your point either way? So Time wants to be known for posting false comments? Uhhh ok.

WCinWI said:
Typical lib – Assumes something that is in fact not true.

Libs are funny.

Don’t go blaming libs on the account of my actions.

I’m no liberal.

WCinWI said:
Typical lib – Assumes something that is in fact not true.

Libs are funny.

Libs are a lot of things, and funny is down real low on the list of what they really are.

WCinWI said:
Letterman? Do you mean Conan?

What’s your point either way? So Time wants to be known for posting false comments? Uhhh ok.

Don’t you worry about it. I’m talking with Harry Flashman.

I’m sorry I responded to you in the first place. You are correct, Time is irrelevant.

John Boehner recently had a piece of artwork removed from the Smithsonian, it was a video piece titled “A Fire In My Belly” made by David Wojnarwicz whom died of Aidz. Not only does Boehner claim “Americans have the right to think what they want” but he doesn’t want to get involved as its not his place to defend or dispel myth regarding the current President.
But he does feel compelled to instruct outside agencies on what art they can display as did to the Smithsonian and threatened the institution to cut funding as he supported a religious organization “The Catholic League”-ignoring the separation of state from the church as many Republicans do.
I think he’s a hypocrite, could care less about the Presidents role and made it seem like he’s indifferent. Which is why Republicans while appearing proper and just- cannot be trusted, they rile mistrust.

I’d rather some progressive assure us that he’s not a Marxist, or more likely, a Hosni-style Crony Capitalist!

How is John Boehner – or anyone else – supposed to know what he TRULY believes.

He LIES about everything else, why not this….that would have been my answer, then given a litany of his lies & misrepresentations.

Sorry Democratic Media, you’ll have to come back & defend him on something else!

This Speaker’s job is not to correct misinformation, but spread misinformation. I don’t think Bill Maher has any better idea what is going on. It is ironic that a President whose Christian minister was a huge controversy during the campaign is now accused of being a Muslim.

Did Gregory ever ask Pelosi why she didn’t tell the nation that Bush isn’t a war criminal?

ndanielson said:
Boehner could tell the American people that 0bama is a coward and poor leader for letting a decorated war hero twist in the wind. 0bama let Lt. Col. Terry Lakin go to prison over his hidden long form birth cert. That is a fact. 0bama not being Muslim, is only a rumor. That BC must have some pretty embarrassing information on it.

Dude, really. That’s Terry Lakin’s fault, not Obama’s. And Lakin pled guilty to refusing to follow orders. That’s on him, not our Red Diaper Baby POTUS.

mklitt said:
This Speaker’s job is not to correct misinformation, but spread misinformation. I don’t think Bill Maher has any better idea what is going on. It is ironic that a President whose Christian minister was a huge controversy during the campaign is now accused of being a Muslim.

You must have missed the memo: Pelosi is no longer speaker. Jeramiah Wright preached black theology, not Christianity. Maybe you missed that memo, too? But carry on in the Pelosi tradition.

Black theology refers to a variety of Black theologies which have as their base the liberation of the marginalized, especially the injustice done towards Blacks in American and South African contexts. Black theology mixes liberation theology and the work of Paulo Freire with the civil rights and Black Power movements.

Although Obama went to a Christian church, his church preached black liberation theology. And everyone knows a devout Muslim would never have a BLT.

Pablo said:
Dude, really. That’s Terry Lakin’s fault, not Obama’s. And Lakin pled guilty to refusing to follow orders. That’s on him, not our Red Diaper Baby POTUS.

Dude, lead by example. Both stand on principle. What is 0bama’s???

Translation: The wingnuts will kill me!!!!!

ndanielson said:
Dude, lead by example. Both stand on principle. What is 0bama’s???

You as a right-winger should use this as an example of personal responsibility. This man knew his duties and chose to disobey them and suffered the consequences.

zumpano said:
It’s hard not to be smug when your guests are dancing around the answers like Brisket Palin on a competition show.

BTW Boner saying he doesn’t want to inform his constituency, and the Teabagger guy on the panel saying that he doesn’t want to talk about what to cut in the budget, but that we need to have an “adult conversation” about the budget cuts (I guess he just doesn’t want that conversation on TV in his new suit); it’s hard not to be smug when faced with NON-ANSWERS.

That said: those jokers would not last FIVE SECONDS WITH TIM RUSSERT

Some of these jokers’ political careers would BE OVER if Russert was still alive

Could you imagine Palin on a Russert MTP???? (Hell, just a Gregory MTP…)

Oh, look! You’re wrong! Boehner has been in the House leadership since Feb ’06. Russert died in June ’08. I’d be very surprised to find that he did less than half a dozen MTP’s with Russert.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
You as a right-winger should use this as an example of personal responsibility. This man knew his duties and chose to disobey them and suffered the consequences.

And 0bama let him twist. What a man. 0bama knew those consequences and let him twist. Yep, don’t question 0bama. What a leader.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
You as a right-winger should use this as an example of personal responsibility. This man knew his duties and chose to disobey them and suffered the consequences.

Pot. Meet kettle.

He is right. The Repubs should concentrate on the stuff that gets them elected and let Obama bury himself on the birth certificate and Muslim issue. The President is doing a good job at that for now.

ndanielson said:
Dude, lead by example. Both stand on principle.

The principle Lakin was supposed to lead by was his oath, which does not entitle him to play Inspector Gadget with his CinC’s papers. Another principle he missed was commitment to his unit and its mission, a principle he seems to have lost in wartime, leaving a doctor sized hole in his deploying unit. He knew he was playing with fire and he got burned, rightly so. And he’s a Blue Falcon.

If he wanted to not serve under a “Kenyan”, he should have resigned the minute Obama was sworn in…and quit taking a paycheck from him. He gets no sympathy from me.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
You as a right-winger should use this as an example of personal responsibility. This man knew his duties and chose to disobey them and suffered the consequences.

0bama has taken no responsibility for hiding his long form birth certificate, and has now let a man go to prison because of it.

It is illegal in the military to take orders from one that is not authorized to give orders. Lakin didn’t believe 0bama, and his men didn’t, and he called 0bama’s bluff. And 0bama let him twist. Two men of principle. I just wonder what principles 0bama stands on is all.

Lakin knew the consequences. So did 0bama. He is a coward.

No crap Boehner’s been on MTP. I was speaking about the TB Party Poopers and Palin who managed to avoid every single Sunday Show before the election, and still hasn’t doesn’t done a single one besides Fox News Sunday.

It is completely nuts that the media pushes these fake Frank Luntz focus groups. These people are paid actors (really bad actors). The media is a major fail.

Pablo said:
The principle Lakin was supposed to lead by was his oath, which does not entitle him to play Inspector Gadget with his CinC’s papers. Another principle he missed was commitment to his unit and its mission, a principle he seems to have lost in wartime, leaving a doctor sized hole in his deploying unit. He knew he was playing with fire and he got burned, rightly so. And he’s a Blue Falcon.

If he wanted to not serve under a “Kenyan”, he should have resigned the minute Obama was sworn in…and quit taking a paycheck from him. He gets no sympathy from me.

He just exposed the coward 0bama for what he is. That is my point. 0bama knew of the incident, and knew the consequences to Lakin. AND HE LET HIM TWIST. Lakin knew the consequences, and he exposed the coward.

zumpano said:
Looking forward to her being on MTP IF she runs for Prez.

That would REALLY BEING THE LOLZ

Why would she go on an irrelevant network? That’s pure silliness.

If anyone, she’s gonna go talk with Crowley and Tapper. They’re the credible ones so far.

Onesweetworld79 said:
All republicans do is lie,

I wish we could get away from these ignorant sweeping generalizations that only;y serve to make things worse.

writer said:
Although Obama went to a Christian church, his church preached black liberation theology. And everyone knows a devout Muslim would never have a BLT.

Indubitably.

treecutter said:
Tim Russert was a liberal hack just like his pathetic son. Never lost a bit of sleep when that lib croaked.

Wow that’s classy. Thanks for sharing.

ndanielson said:
He just exposed the coward 0bama for what he is.

No, he exposed himself for what a dumbass and lousy soldier he is. And he accomplished jack shit in the process.

Color Me Badd said:
It is completely nuts that the media pushes these fake Frank Luntz focus groups. These people are paid actors (really bad actors). The media is a major fail.

Media fail is how we get idiots like you and zumpano to vote 0bama. Tell us something new.

Pablo said:
No, he exposed himself for what a dumbass and lousy soldier he is. And he accomplished jack shit in the process.

So what do you know about what kind of soldier he is? He had to show his long form to get in to Afghanistan the first time he deployed. He stood on principle. Again: what principle is 0bama standing on, dumbass? Enlighten us all, dumbass.

CosmosDan said:
Wow that’s classy. Thanks for sharing.

While I don’t agree with Treecutter’s comment, you should be the last one talking about classy behavior. Just saying.

ndanielson said:
So what do you know about what kind of soldier he is? He had to show his long form to get in to Afghanistan the first time he deployed. He stood on principle. Again: what principle is 0bama standing on, dumbass? Enlighten us all, dumbass.

Please stop calling Pablo that name. Pablo is one of the good commenters on this site and you’re just making yourself look silly.

ndanielson said:
So what do you know about what kind of soldier he is?

He refused to follow his orders and deploy with his unit because he thought he’d rather play political games. That’s what i know about what kind of soldier he is; lousy. A blue falcon.

So John Boner’s job is to obfuscate? Interesting. Very interesting.

WCinWI said:
Please stop calling Pablo that name. Pablo is one of the good commenters on this site and you’re just making yourself look silly.

Pablo said:
No, he exposed himself for what a dumbass and lousy soldier he is. And he accomplished jack shit in the process.

Pablo can call people dumbass, and not be called one himself?

If it acts in support of radical islamic muslims, and if it’s trying to destroy America like a radical islamic muslim, and if it’s as anti-Semitic as a radical islamic muslim, and it was raised as a radical islamic muslim, and if it hates America like a radical islamic muslim — then IT’S A RADICAL ISLAMIC MUSLIM !!!!

Please stop calling Pablo that name.

I do think the majority of name calling should be reserved for RRK when he gets back.

ndanielson said:
Pablo can call people dumbass, and not be called one himself?

I agree with Pablo’s general assessment with this situation. I don’t agree with his need to name-call that particular individual, but you don’t need to personally name-call someone on a message board.

Pablo said:
He refused to follow his orders and deploy with his unit because he thought he’d rather play political games. That’s what i know about what kind of soldier he is; lousy. A blue falcon.

He had to show his long form to get into Afghanistan. He didn’t play political games. He made a point: 0bama is a coward, and stood on no principles that you have yet to be able to name. 0bama is your blue falcon. He took Lakin down with his hidden BC, dumbass.

WCinWI said:
I agree with Pablo’s general assessment with this situation. I don’t agree with his need to name-call that particular individual, but you don’t need to personally name-call someone on a message board.

Will you be correcting spelling and grammar next?

Just kidding. I wouldn’t call the King names. We’re pals.

Pablo said:
He refused to follow his orders and deploy with his unit because he thought he’d rather play political games. That’s what i know about what kind of soldier he is; lousy. A blue falcon.

In the military, you may not question the orders, but you may question who is giving them, obviously. Why didn’t the great leader, 0bama, step up again??? Still waiting.

. . . and it’s not MY job to tell Americans that Boehner’s too busy nailing lobbyists to bother with either truth or governance – or so the National Enquirer would have us believe.

(http://www.nationalenquirer.com/john_boehner_house_speaker_sex_scandal_two_women/celebrity/70110)

Funny how his supposedly upright and godly sycophants ignore his downright and ungodly behavior. If the Enquirer had released such a story about Harry Reid, Fakes “News” would’ve plastered it all over place. Instead, the conservative corporate media shoved it under the rug.

Obama calls himself a Christian. The nutjob right declares him to be otherwise so they can justify their own UN-Christian attacks on him. They will have to answer to The Big Guy in the Sky for far more than Obama ever will.

ndanielson said:
And 0bama let him twist. What a man. 0bama knew those consequences and let him twist. Yep, don’t question 0bama. What a leader.

Obama has released his necessary records. You wouldn’t display the same affection towards a truther because they’re insane.

WCinWI said:
Pot. Meet kettle.

How is this a pot meet kettle situation?

ndanielson said:
He had to show his long form to get into Afghanistan. He didn’t play political games. He made a point: 0bama is a coward, and stood on no principles that you have yet to be able to name. 0bama is your blue falcon. He took Lakin down with his hidden BC, dumbass.

You can get in the service with a COLB all the live long day. Then, to travel, all you need is your military ID.

I’m not defending Obama. I’m telling you that Lakin took himself down with his refusal to follow lawful orders and his guilty plea. He also let his unit down when they were deploying into a war zone. He took an oath and then he refused to live by it, despite collecting the check while it was convenient for him.

jrcmi said:
. . . and it’s not MY job to tell Americans that Boehner’s too busy nailing lobbyists to bother with either truth or governance – or so the National Enquirer would have us believe.

(http://www.nationalenquirer.com/john_boehner_house_speaker_sex_scandal_two_women/celebrity/70110)

Funny how his supposedly upright and godly sycophants ignore his downright and ungodly behavior. If the Enquirer had released such a story about Harry Reid, Fakes “News” would’ve plastered it all over place. Instead, the conservative corporate media shoved it under the rug.

Obama calls himself a Christian. The nutjob right declares him to be otherwise so they can justify their own UN-Christian attacks on him. They will have to answer to The Big Guy in the Sky for far more than Obama ever will.

0bama won’t be answering to the big guy in the sky. Well, you got that right. Sounds like he won’t be getting his 72 virgins either.

Gosh – where the hell was david Gregory asking Pelosi why she wouldn’t speak out against the stupidity and false charges that Bush was a liar. oh yeah, Gregory was pushing that lie.

uneffinbelievable. These idiot lefty loon folks standing in a “journolists” is disturbing as all get out.

if Obama can’t set the record straight – tough shit; just like the crew who thought 9/11 was an inside job, it’s just that david gregory and his liberal pals were more interested in demeaning W than setting any record straight.

What a suck up david is; typical of nbc.

Hey, my buddy just showed up on another thread! Be rude not to visit with him.

ndanielson said:
In the military, you may not question the orders, but you may question who is giving them, obviously. Why didn’t the great leader, 0bama, step up again??? Still waiting.

No you may not, especially when they’re in your chain of command. You may question the orders themselves, if they’re not lawful. That’s why THE ARMY locked Lakin’s ass up…for less than half the time he should have been deployed.

Why should Obama get in the way of the lawful prosecution of a derelict soldier? As soon as Lakin refused to deploy, he’d committed the offense he then pled guilty to. This is 100% on Lakin, period.

nutsofast said:
Yes.Surely the party of Lincoln (who Boehner is now a leader) should never have told us Blacks were worth more than 3/5ths of a human. Lincoln should have focused on spending, and listening to the American People.

Abraham Lincoln was not born until more than 20 years after that was written into the US Constitution and the Republican Party was not formed until almost 70 years after that was written into the US Constitution. Have you ever read a book about US History? Even an elementary school level history book would tell you that.

By the way, do you know why this was put into the US Constitution?

Why are Progressives so hell-bent on declaring Obama a non-Muslim?

Are Progressives BIGOTED against Muslims now, in addition to Christians?

Is it because of what Islam teaches about women and gays?

nutsofast said:
Surely the party of Lincoln (who Boehner is now a leader) should never have told us Blacks were worth more than 3/5ths of a human. Lincoln should have focused on spending, and listening to the American People.

nutsofast said:
I’m also Garth .

HA ! Troll Wars.

ndanielson said:
Pablo can call people dumbass, and not be called one himself?

When I get myself locked up for doing something stupid, you have my standing invitation to call me a dumbass. If the show fits, I don’t mind wearing it.

Harry Flashman said:
Nacho…

Two things. One: I didn’t create anything. I pasted and linked her response that the Time article. And Time has crawfished.

And, two….did you actually READ the article you just linked to? Just wondering.

Did You? Evidently Palin’s response had a couple of things wrong. She assumed they represented an offhand comment as true , which they never did, and then made some remark about quotation marks which they never used. If she’s going to trash the media for picking on her don’t you think she ought to at least be somewhat accurate? Kind of ironic isn’t it that she trashes them and commits the errors she’s accusing them of. They linked to an article that was labeled satire, so they never represented it as true. At most their mistake was not pointing that out in their article about Conan.

Pablo said:
You can get in the service with a COLB all the live long day. Then, to travel, all you need is your military ID.

I’m not defending Obama. I’m telling you that Lakin took himself down with his refusal to follow lawful orders and his guilty plea. He also let his unit down when they were deploying into a war zone. He took an oath and then he refused to live by it, despite collecting the check while it was convenient for him.

Lakin swore an Oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States, he must have an answer to his question. Officers, unlike enlisted, swear an Oath to uphold the constitution; they do not swear an Oath to the Commander-in-Chief.

Lakin showed the CIC to be a coward. He also went the route of court martial to force discovery, which the cowardly judge dismissed. You should look up the definition of natural born, as well:

0bama, even if he were born in the Oval Office, could never be a “natural born citizen”. The Supreme Court has defined that term in other cases, it has resolved: the term, “natural born citizen” to mean born of two American parents on American soil.

Lakin had grounds to question the orders. The Coward-in-chief let him twist. Boehner should talk about the great man who let another man go to prison, for questioning him about his still shady, and covered-up birth.

Pablo said:
No you may not, especially when they’re in your chain of command. You may question the orders themselves, if they’re not lawful. That’s why THE ARMY locked Lakin’s ass up…for less than half the time he should have been deployed.

Why should Obama get in the way of the lawful prosecution of a derelict soldier? As soon as Lakin refused to deploy, he’d committed the offense he then pled guilty to. This is 100% on Lakin, period.

Orders aren’t lawful if the one giving orders is not lawfully in a position to do so. That was the premise of Lakin’s argument!

writer said:
Although Obama went to a Christian church, his church preached black liberation theology. And everyone knows a devout Muslim would never have a BLT.

Good One writer. I knew there was a good BLT joke in there somewhere when I was reading about Liberation theology.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
How is this a pot meet kettle situation?

When you use the term right-winger, that’s the pot meet kettle definition.

Why must libs have everything explained to them? Sheesh.

zumpano said:
LOL HILARIOUS: Did you see BONER’S EYES when they played back that clip: that’s the face of someone confronted with TRUE STUPIDITY HILARIOUS “It’s not my job to correct and inform my constituency” TOO FUNNY Even more hilarious was that LUNTZ SAMPLE GROUP: I’m surprised they let all those knuckledraggers out of the zoo AT THE SAME TIME How can you watch that and NOT DIE LAUGHING

NO, Gregory is the braindead knuckledragger. He needs to wake up and look at the facts! The Frank Luntz group is “AMERICA” (The ones that WON the election in 2010) and this is what we believe and there is proof all over the place. Where is Obama’s baptism certificate, that would prove it. Until we have that, we have this fact, which proves otherwise:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz7obdi-92Y&feature=player_embedded

LOTS of questions arise from this video!

I have no clue what the President is.

I actually welcome the idea that Obama has a presser saying that he isn’t a Muslim. If he’s not, why not?

What would the nation and international implications be? Let’s find out.

Also, the false premise is that if you say you’re a Christian, that’s saying something. All faiths fall under the Christian belief.

ndanielson said:
Lakin had grounds to question the orders.

Then why did he plead guilty?

ndanielson said:
Orders aren’t lawful if the one giving orders is not lawfully in a position to do so. That was the premise of Lakin’s argument!

Lakin’s orders didn’t come from Obama.

ndanielson said:
Orders aren’t lawful if the one giving orders is not lawfully in a position to do so. That was the premise of Lakin’s argument!

BTW, that’s the argument he was making while he should have been busy patching our wounded boys up in Afghanistan.

Pablo said:
Then why did he plead guilty?

Because the judge did not allow discovery. Therefor, he could not prove that 0bama has no legal authority.

Pablo said:
Lakin’s orders didn’t come from Obama.

All orders are approved by the CIC.

ndanielson is using the salad bar tactics of Beck & Co., picking and choosing his decisions, twisting their meanings to fit his agenda. Obama WAS born in Hawaii, in 1961. To believe that two newspapers combined to publish birth notices of the event so that forty some years later the infant could falsely be elected President is so far out in the stratosphere that you should probably land on Uranus any day. Lakin had no rights. He surrendered them when he enlisted in the service. He had the right to follow orders. Failure to obey lawful orders is a court-martial offense. Failure in time of war is treason, subject to execution. Find a copy of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and educate yourself when you get out of Uranus.

Pablo said:
BTW, that’s the argument he was making while he should have been busy patching our wounded boys up in Afghanistan.

0bama could have expedited that in a heartbeat, couldn’t he have? So he put them in danger, too, for some principle you have not yet named.

WCinWI said:
While I don’t agree with Treecutter’s comment, you should be the last one talking about classy behavior. Just saying.

Sometimes I get snarky and sarcastic, occasionally make the crude joke. No excuses. But I try not to casually call people names, or lump everyone I disagree with into one group. All libs lie, No all conservatives lie, all Tea Party folks are racists, all that foolishness. If I think people are wrong I’ll argue the point.

Feel free to call me on any post you see as not very classy, and since you brought it up, I’ll return the favor.

zumpano said:
Still though: WATCH THIS CLIP Or WATCH THE WHOLE SHOW THE LUNTZ SAMPLE = FUNNIER THAN SNL LAST NIGHT watching those clueless idiots in the focus group is like watching Joey on Friends The comedy comes from HOW STUPID THEY ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOO FUNNY POlitics has REALLY BEEN BRINGING THE LOLS LATELY

Don’t worry, soon we will be bringing the LOLS, when Obama is sitting out on the curb!

All of you are so obsessed with the prez being black AND educated while the whites in this country keep sending jobs overseas. You dumb trailer morons only repeat what the beckster followers are told to say. It’s not deems cd cons but rich vs poor. None of you here are rich and probably make only avg money. The rich keep using race as an issue while it’s really only about shareholder value. I know, it hurts to think original thought but try it instead of being a beck zombie.

Glackin said:
ndanielson is using the salad bar tactics of Beck & Co., picking and choosing his decisions, twisting their meanings to fit his agenda. Obama WAS born in Hawaii, in 1961. To believe that two newspapers combined to publish birth notices of the event so that forty some years later the infant could falsely be elected President is so far out in the stratosphere that you should probably land on Uranus any day. Lakin had no rights. He surrendered them when he enlisted in the service. He had the right to follow orders. Failure to obey lawful orders is a court-martial offense. Failure in time of war is treason, subject to execution. Find a copy of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and educate yourself when you get out of Uranus.

Two hippie parents who are always looking to get the man for something, couldn’t foresee having a bogus “record” of birth in the papers as an asset??? Tell me more genius.

To take orders from one not in a legal position to give them is illegal. As Pablo is fond of calling a decorated war veteran, dumbass, you fit that description completely, dumbass. You surrender your rights when you join the military??? Wow, Who knew?

CosmosDan said:
Sometimes I get snarky and sarcastic, occasionally make the crude joke. No excuses. But I try not to casually call people names, or lump everyone I disagree with into one group. All libs lie, No all conservatives lie, all Tea Party folks are racists, all that foolishness. If I think people are wrong I’ll argue the point.

Feel free to call me on any post you see as not very classy, and since you brought it up, I’ll return the favor.

Haha you’re just like Obama. You make a story about you when it’s not really about you.

I’ve seen you react harshly to folks for having an opinion. You don’t know when it’s ok to separate fact from opinion.

There is no need to comment on things I post unless you have been inserted into the convo by proxy. Or I say something REALLY offensive. That has not been the case thus far.

CosmosDan said:
Sometimes I get snarky and sarcastic, occasionally make the crude joke. No excuses. But I try not to casually call people names, or lump everyone I disagree with into one group. All libs lie, No all conservatives lie, all Tea Party folks are racists, all that foolishness. If I think people are wrong I’ll argue the point.

Feel free to call me on any post you see as not very classy, and since you brought it up, I’ll return the favor.

If you and I wanted to have a real convo, we would talk about what Obama wanted to cut or at least offer suggestions to this convo.

Glackin said:
ndanielson is using the salad bar tactics of Beck & Co., picking and choosing his decisions, twisting their meanings to fit his agenda. Obama WAS born in Hawaii, in 1961. To believe that two newspapers combined to publish birth notices of the event so that forty some years later the infant could falsely be elected President is so far out in the stratosphere that you should probably land on Uranus any day. Lakin had no rights. He surrendered them when he enlisted in the service. He had the right to follow orders. Failure to obey lawful orders is a court-martial offense. Failure in time of war is treason, subject to execution. Find a copy of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and educate yourself when you get out of Uranus.

Did everybody know, like this genius, that you have no rights when you join the military???

All the proof you need to see that Obama is ILLEGAL is right here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/kenyanbornobamacorn#g/u

Make sure you check out the older ones and don’t miss these two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHzFIvCy_iQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI6TG2bJnvQ

NOW

The administration’s 10-year, $1.1 trillion deficit reduction is less than the total projected deficit for 2011 alone, which the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates will total $1.48 trillion. It also falls short of the $4 trillion in reductions the White House’s bipartisan deficit-reduction commission proposed in December.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-budget-plan-would-cut-deficit-by-11-trillion-over-10-years-2011-02-13

WCinWI said:
When you use the term right-winger, that’s the pot meet kettle definition.

Why must libs have everything explained to them? Sheesh.

Possibly because you’re not making any sense? I urge you to elaborate.

writer said:
Just kidding. I wouldn’t call the King names. We’re pals.

I’ve noticed that. It’s quite heartwarming.
IN case you need a theme song check these out
http://top40.about.com/od/top10lists/tp/friendshipsongs.htm

ObamAcornLies said:

Speaker Boehner: “It’s Not My Job To Tell” Americans That Obama Is Not A Muslim

ObamAcornLies said:
All the proof you need to see that Obama is ILLEGAL is right here:http://www.youtube.com/user/kenyanbornobamacorn#g/u Make sure you check out the older ones and don’t miss these two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHzFIvCy_iQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI6TG2bJnvQ NOW

Oooops, wasn’t even finished and they refreshed the page (censorship??) I was going to saaaay…
NOW, Mt Gregory, wehre is YOUR proof that shows Obama IS legitimate? You have none! All you have is a woman from Hawaii saying she SAW the long form birth certificate, who has since resigned! If she SAW it there, why can’t Abercrombie find it? AND WHY IS LAKIN STILL IN JAIL, WHEN THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE CAN’T BE LOCATED?

ObamAcornLies said:
NO, Gregory is the braindead knuckledragger. He needs to wake up and look at the facts! The Frank Luntz group is “AMERICA” (The ones that WON the election in 2010)

Where were those americans in 2008?

nutsofast said:
Where were those americans in 2008?

Eat me, son!

nutsofast said:
It’s not my job to tell the American People Boehner is not a CRYBABY.

Son, your Messiah can tell you libs what to think. We conservatives will think on our own, son!

nutsofast said:
Yes.Surely the party of Lincoln (who Boehner is now a leader) should never have told us Blacks were worth more than 3/5ths of a human. Lincoln should have focused on spending, and listening to the American People.

If you would get your facts straight, that’s NOT how history writes it.

The fact that Democrats call the 3/5 clause racist, proves that they do not know the constitution?

The 3/5 clause was there so the southern states could not count the slaves as full citizens of their state and get more representation in congress, for if they had more representatives, it would have been almost impossible to abolish slavery.

The 3/5 clause HELPED to end slavery!

notsofast said:
Eat me, son!

Hmmm, why are you talking to yourself?

ndanielson said:
Because the judge did not allow discovery. Therefor, he could not prove that 0bama has no legal authority.

That wasn’t the question they were trying to answer. His hoped for defense was irrelevant to the charges against him.

All orders are approved by the CIC.

That’s absolute nonsense. The only orders the CinC signs off on involve people with stars on their shoulders.

0bama could have expedited that in a heartbeat, couldn’t he have? So he put them in danger, too, for some principle you have not yet named.

Red herring. That wouldn’t have had Lakin off on his merry way to the ‘stan. He’d still have gone on trial and he’d still have been guilty, because you don’t get to decide you’ll follow orders when you feel like it. I’ve named the principle, by the way. It involves following and oath and a chain of command.

Have you ever had a set of orders?

WCinWI said:
Haha you’re just like Obama. You make a story about you when it’s not really about you.

um well actually, you just commented about me, about a post that wasn’t directed at you at all. So, You made it about me when you didn’t have to.

WCinWI said:
I’ve seen you react harshly to folks for having an opinion. You don’t know when it’s ok to separate fact from opinion.

So that was harsh? Interesting definition. This is a public posting board, so anyone that doesn’t want their opinion commented on, shouldn’t post at all, or be thick skinned enough to take the responses. I have no problem separating fact from opinion. Posters will make what appears to be factual claims and I’ll challange them. If they’d like to admit they don’t really know and were only expressing an opinion that’s fine.

WCinWI said:
There is no need to comment on things I post unless you have been inserted into the convo by proxy. Or I say something REALLY offensive. That has not been the case thus far.

Is that how you operate? Never comment on something not directed at you. Seems like you just did. In another thread as well. Anybody can comment on anything. That’s how a public comments section works. When I see something I think is factually wrong, or really horrible logic, I’ll offer my opinion, invited or not.
When someone states something as fact that I think is not factual , I’ll ask them to back it up.

ObamAcornLies said:
Hmmm, why are you talking to yourself?

oh, my bad…one is nutsofast and one is notsofast

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Possibly because you’re not making any sense? I urge you to elaborate.

I already explained in your comment the pot meets kettle moment.

Oy.

When you provide a recent pot meets kettle moment, I’ll let you know. I just know you should watch your own language before commenting on others.

notsofast said:
Son, your Messiah can tell you libs what to think. We conservatives will think on our own, son!

And I live in my moms basement and sleep with my sister

Obeezy said:
Oh and IF Obama was a Muslim why is that a bad thing? The Muslim religion is just as bogus as Christianity.

IF Obama IS a muslim, he’s a BIG FAT LIAR! Muslims are allowed to LIE if helps them to win! You people better get your heads OUT OF THE SAND, including you Gregory, before there is no more AMERICA!

nutsofast said:
And I live in my moms basement and sleep with my sister

We already know that King, tell us something new, son!

CosmosDan said:
um well actually, you just commented about me, about a post that wasn’t directed at you at all. So, You made it about me when you didn’t have to.

So that was harsh? Interesting definition. This is a public posting board, so anyone that doesn’t want their opinion commented on, shouldn’t post at all, or be thick skinned enough to take the responses. I have no problem separating fact from opinion. Posters will make what appears to be factual claims and I’ll challange them. If they’d like to admit they don’t really know and were only expressing an opinion that’s fine.

Is that how you operate? Never comment on something not directed at you. Seems like you just did. In another thread as well. Anybody can comment on anything. That’s how a public comments section works. When I see something I think is factually wrong, or really horrible logic, I’ll offer my opinion, invited or not.
When someone states something as fact that I think is not factual , I’ll ask them to back it up.

One shouldn’t end a sentence with a preposition. Just saying. :)

No you don’t know when to separate fact and opinion. You and I have already proved this argument idea before – days ago in fact.

If you can indeed contribute with personal experience or an article, that would help your fact vs. non-fact argument. You have just used harsh language. Don’t call a group stupid or imply it, then spell words wrong yourself. Not a good trait. That’s all I’m saying.

perceptorii said:
The “Obama is a Muslim” belief is a fringe belief,

Then what is this, where it clearly states that he is Indonesion AND his religion is ISLAM:

http://theobamafile.com/_images/FranciscusApp.jpg

So, FACTS are fringe beliefs?

Pablo said:
Red herring. That wouldn’t have had Lakin off on his merry way to the ’stan. He’d still have gone on trial and he’d still have been guilty, because you don’t get to decide you’ll follow orders when you feel like it. I’ve named the principle, by the way. It involves following and oath and a chain of command.

Have you ever had a set of orders?

What planet do you live on? When 0bama caught wind of someone going to prison over his BC he could have went: stop, here it is! End of story, end of court-martial. It was a long drawn out case, hinging on DISCOVERY, which the judge DENIED. Wake up.

Discovery was denied by the judge. The only piece of discovery relevant to the entire case was one long form BC.

Pablo said:
That wasn’t the question they were trying to answer. His hoped for defense was irrelevant to the charges against him.

That’s absolute nonsense. The only orders the CinC signs off on involve people with stars on their shoulders.

Red herring. That wouldn’t have had Lakin off on his merry way to the ’stan. He’d still have gone on trial and he’d still have been guilty, because you don’t get to decide you’ll follow orders when you feel like it. I’ve named the principle, by the way. It involves following and oath and a chain of command.

Have you ever had a set of orders?

I followed the case, you didn’t, obviously. Lakin let it be known that he would not deploy until the BC was shown. He broke no laws up until his refusal, which 0bama could have stopped at ANY TIME, if he weren’t a coward. Defend him all you want. It shows what you are made of.

As to the article itself

I agree with Bohner in principle. There’s only so much an elected official can do to dispel this kind of ignorance. some people will believe it no matter what, and they do have other priorities.

That said, they could do more than they are doing. Senator Tom Coburn expressed it very well talking to Bill ORielly about the need to provide accurate information. While it isn’t the job of congress to tell voters what to think {even though they try} it is their job as leaders to try and provide all relevant facts and correct misconceptions.

Elected officials in either party shouldn’t be afraid of contradicting exaggerations and misconceptions spread by talking heads.

CosmosDan said:
As to the article itself

I agree with Bohner in principle. There’s only so much an elected official can do to dispel this kind of ignorance. some people will believe it no matter what, and they do have other priorities.

That said, they could do more than they are doing. Senator Tom Coburn expressed it very well talking to Bill ORielly about the need to provide accurate information. While it isn’t the job of congress to tell voters what to think {even though they try} it is their job as leaders to try and provide all relevant facts and correct misconceptions.

Elected officials in either party shouldn’t be afraid of contradicting exaggerations and misconceptions spread by talking heads.

Obama has the ability to have a presser or write a statement stating emphatically that he is not a Muslim. I don’t see why him doing this would be a bad thing. By not doing this, he wants to continue this meme.

I have no clue what he is. To say you’re a Christian doesn’t mean anything. All faiths fall under Christianity.

ObamAcornLies said:
The 3/5 clause was there so the southern states could not count the slaves as full citizens of their state and get more representation in congress, for if they had more representatives, it would have been almost impossible to abolish slavery.

That’s 100% true and accurate.

ObamAcornLies said:
Then what is this, where it clearly states that he is Indonesion AND his religion is ISLAM:

http://theobamafile.com/_images/FranciscusApp.jpg

So, FACTS are fringe beliefs?

That I think WAS true.

I believe BHO converted to Christianity from Islam.

“As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion. Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother’s Christian background is irrelevant.

Of course, as most Americans understand it, Senator Obama is not a Muslim. He chose to become a Christian, and indeed has written convincingly to explain how he arrived at his choice and how important his Christian faith is to him. ”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin

Boehner is right on this one. Politicians should NOT be the thought police. They should never tell citizens what to think about anything. At most, they present evidence and state their opinion. That’s what Boehner did today. He believes Obama is a citizen and a Christian. DG was trying to trap him today, but Boehner did well.

mklitt said:
It is ironic that a President whose Christian minister was a huge controversy during the campaign is now accused of being a Muslim.

IRONIC? It’s all been a setup. Obama has always been muslim and he went to a church that HATES America that had a secret gay club, that’s WHY he went there, because Obama hates America TOO and he is bi, from what I’ve read:

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2010/07/25/mom-of-murdered-obama-gay-lover-speaks-up/

ndanielson is picking and choosing again when he isn’t just WRONG. Hippies in 1961? Six years before the “Summer of Love”? Who knew they were so forward thinking? Also, newspapers used to get the birth notices from the hospitals, not the parents. It was considered part of the public record like the police log, which was also
published in most small and medium market papers. Got that, nd? The PUBLIC RECORD.
Also, Obama did no order Lakin overseas. There is this place in VA called the Pentagon that is in charge of allocating US forces worldwide. They cut the orders. And yes, you do surrender many of your rights when you put on the uniform of our country. People can legally order you to do things which will lead directly to your death, and you cannot refuse.

Does Gregory not get the idea of personal responsibility or what? Way to waste 3 minutes of your show on a meaningless guilt by association angle. Ask the man to answer for views and statements he holds or has said in his position of Speaker of the House; that’s why he’s there. Or if you would really rather not, and it’s still this important to you, hop on the next flight to Iowa and interview the housewife for next week’s installment of your ‘important’ national television program.

CosmosDan said:
writer said:
Although Obama went to a Christian church, his church preached black liberation theology. And everyone knows a devout Muslim would never have a BLT.
Good One writer. I knew there was a good BLT joke in there somewhere when I was reading about Liberation theology.

OINKKKKKK…lolol

Funny one!

WCinWI said:
Obama has the ability to have a presser or write a statement stating emphatically that he is not a Muslim. I don’t see why him doing this would be a bad thing. By not doing this, he wants to continue this meme.

He’s already said he’s a Christian several times. There’s no reason for him to keep repeating it because rumor and fear mongers keep the lie alive. The people who choose to believe that crap would never vote for him anyway. I don’t see what good it does anybody to repeat that nonsense.

WCinWI said:
I have no clue what he is. To say you’re a Christian doesn’t mean anything. All faiths fall under Christianity.

I have no idea what this means. There are many Christian denominations , but not all faiths fall under Christianity.

Glackin said:
ndanielson is picking and choosing again when he isn’t just WRONG. Hippies in 1961? Six years before the “Summer of Love”? Who knew they were so forward thinking? Also, newspapers used to get the birth notices from the hospitals, not the parents. It was considered part of the public record like the police log, which was also
published in most small and medium market papers. Got that, nd? The PUBLIC RECORD.
Also, Obama did no order Lakin overseas. There is this place in VA called the Pentagon that is in charge of allocating US forces worldwide. They cut the orders. And yes, you do surrender many of your rights when you put on the uniform of our country. People can legally order you to do things which will lead directly to your death, and you cannot refuse.

Ah, yes, cupcake, but alas, you still have rights in the miliatary. And alas there were hippies long before the summer of love, and there were public notices of one Barack Hussein 0bama born in HI, but to whom? Under what religion, under what nationality??? Notices sent by whom? Alas, the little dipstick glakin, does not know, nor does he care. As is the liberal sheep mentality.

0bama’s war on terror, otherwise known as his overseas contingency operations, ordered Lakin overseas, dummy. He and only he is ultimately responsible for deployments. Wake up.

Pablo said:
ndanielson said:
Lakin had grounds to question the orders.

Pablo says:
Then why did he plead guilty?

He plead guilty because Obama and his network of Obots (at the fogbow forum) set Lakin up and secretly got him to change his attorney. His new attorney, Neal Puckett is friends with the Obots at the fogbow forum where some of them work for Soros. Neal Puckett’s partner, Haytham Faraj is an Israel hater and even has comments on his facebook page saying “Israel should be wiped off the map”. Haytham Faraj is good friends with Kareem Shora, who is one of Obama’s Homeland Security Advisors.

Now, you don’t think it one bit strange, that with all the attorneys in this country, Lakin ends up with a law firm that defends Iraqi spys and terrorists and hates Israel and is ONE STEP away from Obama, is a bit of a conflict of interest, then you are blind!

IT WAS A TOTAL SETUP and I have the proof!

CosmosDan said:
He’s already said he’s a Christian several times. There’s no reason for him to keep repeating it because rumor and fear mongers keep the lie alive. The people who choose to believe that crap would never vote for him anyway. I don’t see what good it does anybody to repeat that nonsense.

I have no idea what this means. There are many Christian denominations , but not all faiths fall under Christianity.

He also has said he is an American citizen, and refuses to prove it. It is such an issue that states are now changing how one proves citizenship. That is change we can believe in. In 0bama’s America, you must prove you have health insurance, but not have ID to vote. You must prove you have auto insurance, but not ID to vote.

CosmosDan said:
He’s already said he’s a Christian several times. There’s no reason for him to keep repeating it because rumor and fear mongers keep the lie alive. The people who choose to believe that crap would never vote for him anyway. I don’t see what good it does anybody to repeat that nonsense.

I have no idea what this means. There are many Christian denominations , but not all faiths fall under Christianity.

Perhaps my definition of Christianity is more loose than others. I will correct that now.

That said, to say one is Christian doesn’t mean anything. Which denomination. There are also more liberal religions within Christianity such as Catholicism.

ObamAcornLies said:
He plead guilty because Obama and his network of Obots (at the fogbow forum) set Lakin up and secretly got him to change his attorney. His new attorney, Neal Puckett is friends with the Obots at the fogbow forum where some of them work for Soros. Neal Puckett’s partner, Haytham Faraj is an Israel hater and even has comments on his facebook page saying “Israel should be wiped off the map”. Haytham Faraj is good friends with Kareem Shora, who is one of Obama’s Homeland Security Advisors.

Now, you don’t think it one bit strange, that with all the attorneys in this country, Lakin ends up with a law firm that defends Iraqi spys and terrorists and hates Israel and is ONE STEP away from Obama, is a bit of a conflict of interest, then you are blind!

IT WAS A TOTAL SETUP and I have the proof!

He plead guilty, because he was denied discovery rights PRIOR to his trial. THE ONE piece of evidence that he DID NOT HAVE TO SERVE, was denied by the judge. That piece of evidence is the long form BC.

There is also the question of why, why does 0bama hide his long form??? Does Pablow want to address that? Or why has he spent millions now to conceal it??? Pablow?

ndanielson said:
He plead guilty, because he was denied discovery rights PRIOR to his trial. THE ONE piece of evidence that he DID NOT HAVE TO SERVE, was denied by the judge. That piece of evidence is the long form BC.

There is also the question of why, why does 0bama hide his long form??? Does Pablow want to address that? Or why has he spent millions now to conceal it??? Pablow?

And why let Lakin hang to conceal it??? Pablo? Glackin, clown?

WCinWI said:
You have just used harsh language. Don’t call a group stupid or imply it, then spell words wrong yourself

What group did I imply was stupid?

WCinWI said:
Perhaps my definition of Christianity is more loose than others. I will correct that now.

That said, to say one is Christian doesn’t mean anything. Which denomination. There are also more liberal religions within Christianity such as Catholicism.

Sure but the point of the discussion was Muslim rather than Christianity, which are two distinctly different world religions. It had nothing to do with which Christian denomination he belonged to.

Paleoconservatarian said:
Does Gregory not get the idea of personal responsibility or what? Way to waste 3 minutes of your show on a meaningless guilt by association angle.

Hey, at least he’s keeping it in the news. Perhaps we’ll get somewhere and get to the TRUTH, if the MSM starts talking about it and stops censoring the issue. Libs are too lazy to look for the facts themselves, so they never hear about it from the Lame Stream, at least NOW, they are hearing about it. We’ll take ANY publicity, GOOD OR BAD on the issue, as long as it’s OUT THERE!

ndanielson said:
And why let Lakin hang to conceal it??? Pablo? Glackin, clown?

He apparently wanted to send a message, ie., don’t question me, or you will pay. With your career, with your life, you will pay for questioning 0bama. And 0bama will pay money to make sure you pay.

WCinWI said:
Perhaps my definition of Christianity is more loose than others. I will correct that now.

That said, to say one is Christian doesn’t mean anything. Which denomination. There are also more liberal religions within Christianity such as Catholicism.

God, how you clowns will twist. Bill Clinton: “it depends on what the definition of is is”. Wow. Whether 0bama believes in Christianity or not is moot. Whether he believes America is great and just, is not moot. He has said we are all exceptional, just as every other nation believes it to be exceptional. Wow, how committed a stance could he take without risking losing the hate America first vote?

notsofast said:
“As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion. Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother’s Christian background is irrelevant.

That’s an interesting and largely irrelevant technicality. The question should be was he ever a practicing Muslim. Did he personally ever embrace Islam? Even that is largely irrelevant but the lady in the clip was saying that his foreign policy is influenced by his religion.

Personally I don’t think people are a member of a religion just because they are born into it. I remember my Mother in law saying my kids were Catholic because she was. Um, no. They are what they choose to be when they are old enough to choose for them selves. Same for Jews.

sarainitaly said:
sarainitaly says:
February 10, 2011 at 10:57 am  (Quote)

At the end of the clip when he was asking King to denounce when people say he is a Muslim, like McCain did, was loony. It’s not anyone’s job to defend Obama’s religious beliefs but Obama.

I wonder if Boehner reads mediaite.
;O)

It is ridiculous to ask other members of Congress to defend Obama’s religious beliefs, just as it’s not anyones job to defend someones sexual habits. No one knows what’s in someone heart, or who’s in their beds.

How stupid do all those people look who defended Bill Clinton and John Edwards when they were accused of their affairs?

CosmosDan said:
Sure but the point of the discussion was Muslim rather than Christianity, which are two distinctly different world religions. It had nothing to do with which Christian denomination he belonged to.

That wasn’t my point. If he would come out and say, this is my affiliation and if it were witnessed to this sentiment, then he wouldn’t need to clarify his positions.

It’s similar to when Michelle talks about eating healthy and then serves high-caloric food. Of course, there’s room for moderation, but to talk about eating healthy all the time and then to not serve vegetarian options or at least fruit. Laughable.

If he was not a Muslim, he has the opportunity to come out in a statement and state that he is not one. If a person was not something, they would have no problem in stating this. It’s as simple as that.

I think Lakin needs to get out of Jail and run for President. Even if he does’t win, at least he will have a platform to talk about this issue!

Lakin/Cain 2012
Cain/Lakin 2012

YES, That’s Herman Cain, the BLACK man. This dude is AWESOME:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N3-j3HM7-A&feature=player_embedded

OH WAIT, I though I was a racist??? I spose we can now put that race card to rest!

CosmosDan said:
That’s an interesting and largely irrelevant technicality. The question should be was he ever a practicing Muslim. Did he personally ever embrace Islam? Even that is largely irrelevant but the lady in the clip was saying that his foreign policy is influenced by his religion.

Personally I don’t think people are a member of a religion just because they are born into it. I remember my Mother in law saying my kids were Catholic because she was. Um, no. They are what they choose to be when they are old enough to choose for them selves. Same for Jews.

Wow, dan, a preemptive strike? So when 0bama’s BC reveals his Muslim religion, you already have his defense? You go, dan!

ObamAcornLies said:
I think Lakin needs to get out of Jail and run for President. Even if he does’t win, at least he will have a platform to talk about this issue!

Lakin/Cain 2012
Cain/Lakin 2012

YES, That’s Herman Cain, the BLACK man. This dude is AWESOME:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N3-j3HM7-A&feature=player_embedded

OH WAIT, I though I was a racist??? I spose we can now put that race card to rest!

Lt. Col Allen West, would get their panties in a bunch, too.

ndanielson said:
When 0bama caught wind of someone going to prison over his BC he could have went: stop, here it is! End of story, end of court-martial.

Wrong. By the time he’d been court martialed, he’d already committed the offense for which he was convicted. Obama could show up with a videotape of his Kenyan birth, cackling like The Joker and the trial would have gone on and he’d have been convicted. He refused to follow orders and it cost him 6 months in the pokey the minute he did it.

End of story, end of court-martial. It was a long drawn out case, hinging on DISCOVERY, which the judge DENIED.

Because Obama’s birth certificate is irrelevant to the question of whether Lakin refused to follow orders. You don’t get to tell your superiors what demands they must meet before you follow orders. That gets you locked up.

CosmosDan said:
Personally I don’t think people are a member of a religion just because they are born into it. I remember my Mother in law saying my kids were Catholic because she was. Um, no. They are what they choose to be when they are old enough to choose for them selves. Same for Jews.

most catholic and jewish children are baptized or bar mitzvahed long before they *choose* to be catholic or jewish.

CosmosDan said:
The question should be was he ever a practicing Muslim. Did he personally ever embrace Islam? Even that is largely irrelevant but the lady in the clip was saying that his foreign policy is influenced by his religion.

according to his books, and people that knew him, he apparently did as a child.

the woman in the clip believes his policy is influenced by his religion. you don’t think it’s possible?
people are accused of making decisions based on skin color all the time.

ndanielson said:
Wow, dan, a preemptive strike? So when 0bama’s BC reveals his Muslim religion, you already have his defense? You go, dan!

Hawaiian long forms don’t list religion.

I think the real reason that Boehner is EVADING the issue (Justice Clarence Thomas’ words, not mine, as he says right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7qEH-tKoXA ) is because Boehner was PAID to avoid it as was Chief Justice Roberts, as shown here: http://www.dailypaul.com/154751/slush-fund-of-top-politicians-found-at-vatican-bank-obama-clinton-roberts-legatus-split

I find the headline of this thread misleading. Though Matt Schneider did put Boehner’s actual quote (“It’s not my job to tell the American people what to think. Our job in Washington is to listen to the American people.”) in his article, the headline implies that Boehner is disingenuous about NOT saying that Obama is NOT a Muslim.

This is a classic example of a when did you stop beating your wife question. It is not Boehner’s responsibility, nor in his sphere of influence, to define who Obama is as a person- he is concerned with Obama’s policies.

If Obama wasn’t born in Kenya then why does the Kenyan Parliament have RECORDED in their session minutes that Obama was born there. The exact words are:

“If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America?”

This can be found at the following link. You will need to look under the date of 25.03.10 and open the pdf then go to page 31 (middle of 2nd paragraph)

http://www.parliament.go.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=91&Itemid=84#

Then again on 05.11.08A page 17, right column, under the heading “Point of order” 2nd paragraph it says:

“Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same pomp and colour.”

http://www.parliament.go.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=89&Itemid=82

I would think that Kenya knows best, if Obama were born there or not. Plus, how do you explain all the articles from around the World that said Obama was Kenyan Born? Check out my video for these articles and sources:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHzFIvCy_iQ

David Gregory’s got some splainin ta do!

Pablo said:
Hawaiian long forms don’t list religion.

But I’d bet his application to Occidental DOES!

WCinWI said:
Obama has the ability to have a presser or write a statement stating emphatically that he is not a Muslim. I don’t see why him doing this would be a bad thing. By not doing this, he wants to continue this meme.

I have no clue what he is. To say you’re a Christian doesn’t mean anything. All faiths fall under Christianity.

Do you realize just how many times he has said what faith he is? *shakes head*

ObamAcornLies said:
IRONIC? It’s all been a setup. Obama has always been muslim and he went to a church that HATES America that had a secret gay club, that’s WHY he went there, because Obama hates America TOO and he is bi, from what I’ve read:

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2010/07/25/mom-of-murdered-obama-gay-lover-speaks-up/

Wow…great credible source! Did Obama also cause the Haitian earthquake and the flockalypse? :)

sarainitaly said:
I wonder if Boehner reads mediaite.
;O)

It is ridiculous to ask other members of Congress to defend Obama’s religious beliefs, just as it’s not anyones job to defend someones sexual habits. No one knows what’s in someone heart, or who’s in their beds.

How stupid do all those people look who defended Bill Clinton and John Edwards when they were accused of their affairs?

You are comparing sexual habits to a person’s religious beliefs? How obtuse.

CosmosDan said:
What group did I imply was stupid?

ndanielson said:
Ah, yes, cupcake, but alas, you still have rights in the miliatary. And alas there were hippies long before the summer of love, and there were public notices of one Barack Hussein 0bama born in HI, but to whom? Under what religion, under what nationality??? Notices sent by whom? Alas, the little dipstick glakin, does not know, nor does he care. As is the liberal sheep mentality.

0bama’s war on terror, otherwise known as his overseas contingency operations, ordered Lakin overseas, dummy. He and only he is ultimately responsible for deployments. Wake up.

Dude, you are a liar. Ever found that record of Reagan creating more jobs than Clinton yet?

notsofast said:
That’s 100% true and accurate.

That I think WAS true.

I believe BHO converted to Christianity from Islam.

“As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion. Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother’s Christian background is irrelevant.

Of course, as most Americans understand it, Senator Obama is not a Muslim. He chose to become a Christian, and indeed has written convincingly to explain how he arrived at his choice and how important his Christian faith is to him. ”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin

That is bullshit from the racists. 3/5th clause ENSURED that the south would continue and preserve slavery by having adequate representation in congress to PROTECT it. You are damn liars if you think they cared to abolish slavery. The states that seceded thought the federal govt was going to abolish slavery. It’s in LETTERS written by confederate generals dummy. Black man was not of equal stature to the white man and serfdom was their place. That doesn’t sound to me like people keen on abolishing slavery. It took a civil war to get rid of that evil. Keep spinning those lies to yourselves to protect the racists.

Gasket said:
Do you realize just how many times he has said what faith he is? *shakes head*

Can you please share when he’s stated numerous times what his denomination is. Last I checked, he’s only stated that he was a Christian.

If Palin is the nominee, should she be required to show her transcripts or are you against that for all candidates?

Pablo, if the process of discovery were not denied to Lakin, the case would have never went to court.

Who even cares about the birth certificate anymore, it is irrelevant!

Obama could have been born on the White House steps and it still would not make a bit of difference. His father was never a citizen, therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE for Obama to be a Natural Born Citizen! Obama’s father, at the time of Obama’s birth, was governed under the British Nationality Act of 1948 which clearly states:

“Citizenship of the United Kingdom and Colonies. Citizenship by descent.
5.—(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth”
http://www.uniset.ca/naty/BNA1948.htm

Ttherefore Obama was a British Subject at birth and at best, could have only been a PLAIN OLE citizen/DUAL CItizen, which is NOT eligible to be President. You must be a Natural Born Citizen, with TWO US citizen parents!

Pablo said:
Hawaiian long forms don’t list religion.

Show me any evidence of that.

Annie Oakley said:
Pablo said:
Hawaiian long forms don’t list religion.

No, but his 1st grade records from Indonesia DO:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/soetoro+indonesia+islam+/kingphilip2/barack-obama-school-registration-fr.jpg

Annie Oakley said:
But I’d bet his application to Occidental DOES!

That’s the kind of stuff I’d really like to see. Gimme his transcripts!

ndanielson said:
Show me any evidence of that.

Here you go.

ndanielson said:
Pablo, if the process of discovery were not denied to Lakin, the case would have never went to court.

If it never went to court, we wouldn’t be talking about discovery. Discovery is part of a court case, not a way to prevent one.

So if the American people tell him Obama IS a Muslim then that’s what Boehner will do (think)? I don’t understand, the people that Boehner represents (largely Republican) are the most often misinformed so since when is it NOT Boehner’s job to correct MISinformation?

This is politics, plain and simple. Boehner is benefiting from this politically indirectly because it hurts Obama. He is at an advantage by allowing the lie to perpetuate. It’s sad, let’s all bash our President for LITERALLY no reason.

Yes unfortunately it is your job, Mr.Boehner , for petes sake, look at these whiny ass leftists..

They need a daddy !

Seriously …look at ‘ Gasket ‘ he/she cant survive without you !

‘ GASKET ‘cmon yell it with me ….. YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN ! YES WE CAN !

Believe in yourself !!!!!

LOL !

ObamAcornLies said:
Obama could have been born on the White House steps and it still would not make a bit of difference. His father was never a citizen, therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE for Obama to be a Natural Born Citizen!

Obama’s mother was a US citizen and he was born on US soil. That makes him a natural born citizen by law.

Gasket said:
Did Obama also cause the Haitian earthquake and the flockalypse? :)

Not sure if Obama caused the dead bird incident, that was supposedly an accident, but he more than likely KNEW about it. SO, did John Wheeler who was investigating it and after leaving DC, he shown on video camera all druuged up and later found MURDERED? Hmmmm? Did he find out too much in his investigation?
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/top-us-official-murdered-after-arkansas-weapons-test-causes-mass-death/

And what about Federal Judge Rolle, who was gunned down in Arizona only 72 hours after ruling AGAINST Obama? And why do you HEAR nothing about this in the media? It’s all about the one who lived that was on the news 24/7, but NOTHING about the Judge who was MURDERED. I think Judge Roll was the main target as shown in the animated video of Jared’s actions, reaching UNDER the table to make SURE that he kills Roll. Just because they found a paper Jared had, saying the congresswomans name on it, means nothing, that could have easily been planted by tree hugging Eric Holder to throw people off. The Judge was the target!
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/top-us-federal-judge-assassinated-after-threat-to-obama-agenda/

People aren’t a dumb as Obama thinks they are!

Pablo said:
Here you go.

So a facsimile of a picture is proof of what a long form BC looks like from, HI? Wow, that little gray divider at the bottom looks nothing like a truncated photocopy of an actual “Hawaiian BC”. I’m not prone to this often but, LOL LOL ROFL .

Pablo said:
If it never went to court, we wouldn’t be talking about discovery. Discovery is part of a court case, not a way to prevent one.

Discovery is part of a court PROCESS which Lakin was denied.

ndanielson said:
Discovery is part of a court PROCESS which Lakin was denied.

Pablow, you buffoonish little troll.

Frankly, I don’t really give a shit if he’s a citizen or not.

ObamAcornLies says, well he seems to say anything that’ll get some attention, regardless of the truth. In what Constitution is the citizenship of the parents listed as a requisite for office? The one I live by says, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President, neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office, who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years and been fourteen Years Resident within the United States. ‘ (Article II, sect. 1) Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961. Who his parents were is irrelevant (see Amendment XIV).
And, seriously, blaming dead birds in Arkansas and the shooting of Judge Roll on Obama is tin-foil hat time. You don’t sound dumb, just delusional.

WCinWI said:
If he was not a Muslim, he has the opportunity to come out in a statement and state that he is not one. If a person was not something, they would have no problem in stating this. It’s as simple as that.

He already has. In fact the Christian church he attended for years was a major issue in his campaign. People still clinging to the belief that he’s Muslim do so in spite of evidence to the contrary. Nobody should be expected to repeatedly address nonsense that has already been debunked.

ObamAcornLies says, well he seems to say anything that’ll get some attention, regardless of the truth. In what Constitution is the citizenship of the parents listed as a requisite for office? The one I live by says, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President, neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office, who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years and been fourteen Years Resident within the United States. ‘ (Article II, sect. 1) Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961. Who his parents were is irrelevant (see Amendment XIV).
And, seriously, blaming dead birds in Arkansas and the shooting of Judge Roll on Obama is tin-foil hat time. You don’t sound dumb, you sound serious–seriously delusional.

CosmosDan said:
He already has. In fact the Christian church he attended for years was a major issue in his campaign. People still clinging to the belief that he’s Muslim do so in spite of evidence to the contrary. Nobody should be expected to repeatedly address nonsense that has already been debunked.

What his church preached was anti-American sentiments.

Also, to call yourself Christian doesn’t say what religion you are so what is his denomination?

Gasket said:
That is bullshit from the racists. 3/5th clause ENSURED that the south would continue and preserve slavery by having adequate representation in congress to PROTECT it. You are damn liars if you think they cared to abolish slavery.

Ummm Helloooo, are you aware that the REPUBLICAN party was STARTED to END Slavery? The first Republican elected was Abraham Lincoln and he ENDED Slavery. If it weren’t for them and was left it up to Senator Byrd and the Libnuts, you’d probably still have slavery!

ndanielson said:
Pablo, if the process of discovery were not denied to Lakin, the case would have never went to court.

CosmosDan said:
Obama’s mother was a US citizen and he was born on US soil. That makes him a natural born citizen by law.

WRONG!
That may make his a citizen but NOT a natural born citizen. You need 2 citizen parents to be natural born!

Publius219 said:
Frankly, I don’t really give a shit if he’s a citizen or not.

WOW, very UNAMERICAN! If you could care less about our Constitution, they why not move to another country. Then you’ll find out why WE are fighting so hard to SAVE it (the Constitution)!

ObamAcornLies said:
Who even cares about the birth certificate anymore, it is irrelevant!

Obama could have been born on the White House steps and it still would not make a bit of difference. His father was never a citizen, therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE for Obama to be a Natural Born Citizen! Obama’s father, at the time of Obama’s birth, was governed under the British Nationality Act of 1948 which clearly states:

“Citizenship of the United Kingdom and Colonies. Citizenship by descent.
5.—(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth”
http://www.uniset.ca/naty/BNA1948.htm

Ttherefore Obama was a British Subject at birth and at best, could have only been a PLAIN OLE citizen/DUAL CItizen, which is NOT eligible to be President. You must be a Natural Born Citizen, with TWO US citizen parents!

You do realize that there are former US Presdents whose (both) parents were not born in the USA right? We use the US Constitution to determine eligobility.

ndanielson said:
So a facsimile of a picture is proof of what a long form BC looks like from, HI? /blockquote>

The answer would be yes. It’s a summary.

murf said:
Seriously …look at ‘ Gasket ‘ he/she cant survive without you !

‘ GASKET ‘cmon yell it with me ….. YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN ! YES WE CAN !

Believe in yourself !!!!!

LOL !

Actually, I agree with Boehner. It’s not his job to articulate Obama’s faith or his place of birth. We know Boehner’s position on those issues. That’s enough.

ObamAcornLies said:
Not sure if Obama caused the dead bird incident, that was supposedly an accident, but he more than likely KNEW about it. SO, did John Wheeler who was investigating it and after leaving DC, he shown on video camera all druuged up and later found MURDERED? Hmmmm? Did he find out too much in his investigation?
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/top-us-official-murdered-after-arkansas-weapons-test-causes-mass-death/

And what about Federal Judge Rolle, who was gunned down in Arizona only 72 hours after ruling AGAINST Obama? And why do you HEAR nothing about this in the media? It’s all about the one who lived that was on the news 24/7, but NOTHING about the Judge who was MURDERED. I think Judge Roll was the main target as shown in the animated video of Jared’s actions, reaching UNDER the table to make SURE that he kills Roll. Just because they found a paper Jared had, saying the congresswomans name on it, means nothing, that could have easily been planted by tree hugging Eric Holder to throw people off. The Judge was the target!
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/top-us-federal-judge-assassinated-after-threat-to-obama-agenda/

People aren’t a dumb as Obama thinks they are!

Hahahahahahaha….!

ObamAcornLies said:
No, but his 1st grade records from Indonesia DO:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/soetoro+indonesia+islam+/kingphilip2/barack-obama-school-registration-fr.jpg

You mean a 1st grade child knows what religion they belong to? You showed us!

Glackin said:
ObamAcornLies says, well he seems to say anything that’ll get some attention, regardless of the truth. In what Constitution is the citizenship of the parents listed as a requisite for office? The one I live by says, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President,

You answered yourself, right there. Libnuts try to say that a citizen is the same as a Natural Born Citizen which is completely WRONG! OBVIOUSLY, that clause shows that we have a “CITIZEN” and a “Natural Born Citizen” or there wouldn’t be BOTH terms in the clause. A person born in this country becomes a citizen by way of the 14th amendment and Natural Born Citizen is born to TWO citizen parents. It’s proven here is the Constitutional Drafts where they corrected themselves to avoid FOREIGNERS from ururping their way into the White House:

NBC in the Constitutional drafts:

June 18th, 1787 – Alexander Hamilton suggests that the requirement be added, as: “No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States.” Works of Alexander Hamilton (page 407).

July 25, 1787 (~5 weeks later) – John Jay writes a letter to General Washington (president of the Constitutional Convention): “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.” [the word born is underlined in Jay's letter which signifies the importance of allegiance from birth.] http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field%28DOCID+@lit%28fr00379%29%29:

September 2nd, 1787 George Washington pens a letter to John Jay. The last line reads: “I thank you for the hints contained in your letter”
http://www.consource.org/index.asp?bid=582&fid=600&documentid=71483

September 4th, 1787 (~6 weeks after Jay’s letter and just 2 days after Washington wrote back to Jay) – The “Natural Born Citizen” requirement is now found in their drafts. Madison’s notes of the Convention
The proposal passed unanimously without debate.

sarainitaly said:
most catholic and jewish children are baptized or bar mitzvahed long before they *choose* to be catholic or jewish.

Catholics as babies with parents permission, but IMO that’s Catholic in name only. If the child never practices it just doesn’t matter. That’s more of a personal view though. Don’t know much about Jewish tradition but aren’t kids a bit older when they are bar mitzvahed? I know in some families kids are compelled to attend and observe tradition.

sarainitaly said:
according to his books, and people that knew him, he apparently did as a child.

He was registered in a school as a Muslim, may have studied Islam in a religion class, and may have gone to a Mosque when he lived in Indonesia. That doesn’t make him a believing practicing Muslim. OTOH, he has said, he never was a practicing Muslim and became a Christian by choice in Chicago. That should be enough.

sarainitaly said:
the woman in the clip believes his policy is influenced by his religion. you don’t think it’s possible?

Sure it is. But what use is pointless speculation about his being Muslim in the face of evidence to the contrary?
If people can’t stand the guy and prefer to believe every bad thing they hear that’s up to them.

ObamAcornLies said:
A person born in this country becomes a citizen by way of the 14th amendment and Natural Born Citizen is born to TWO citizen parents

funny. We’ve had several presidents who had one citizen parent and nobody ever complained before. I suspect the Supreme Court disagrees with you.

WCinWI said:

Also, to call yourself Christian doesn’t say what religion you are so what is his denomination?

Yes it does. Christian is a religion that has different denominations. All are the under the same umbrella of THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION. Just as Islam and Buddhism and I suspect, Hindu, have different branches and sects. Please abandon this argument and look something up. You’re incorrect and you don’t get to create your private definition of common language.

His particular branch of Christianity is completely irrelevant to the discussion.

ObamAcornLies said:
Ummm Helloooo, are you aware that the REPUBLICAN party was STARTED to END Slavery? The first Republican elected was Abraham Lincoln and he ENDED Slavery. If it weren’t for them and was left it up to Senator Byrd and the Libnuts, you’d probably still have slavery!

Hello. You do realize that the Republican party was not the party of conservatives like it is today? The Democratic party was the party of the south then. Your ignorance is showing…again. Note: Senator Byrd was one of the few Dixiecrats NOT to switch to the GOP after re-alignment of the parties. I like how you idiots use him as an example of Democratic Party racism and forget all the other Jim Crow loving racists who switched to the GOP. What party do you think David Duke belongs to today Genius?

You also ignored my other statement about the non-uniqueness of Obama’s parentage as far as eligibility is concerned.

Gasket said:
You do realize that there are former US Presdents whose (both) parents were not born in the USA right? We use the US Constitution to determine eligobility.

Only ONE other President wasn’t a Natural Born Citizen, Chester Arthur and it has since been proven that he was also ineligible:
http://caffinequeen.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/this-is-not-the-first-time-this-country-has-faced-this-issue/

The lefties try to use Wong Kim Ark to help them with their LIES, but are they aware that Justice Horace Gray who wrote the majority decision in WKA was appointed by Chester himself? But, if you actually READ the full file on WKA, you will see that they DEFINE Natural Born Citizen!

Chester Arthur even forced our military to salute the British Flag. Could you imagine what would happen if Obama did that, right now: http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=3018

ndanielson said:
So a facsimile of a picture is proof of what a long form BC looks like from, HI? Wow, that little gray divider at the bottom looks nothing like a truncated photocopy of an actual “Hawaiian BC”. I’m not prone to this often but, LOL LOL ROFL .

Dude, that piece is at Birther Central, World Net Daily, and it’s written by Jerome Corsi, King of the Birthers. That isn’t a photocopy you’re looking at, it’s a pair of photostats of original documents. Photocopiers weren’t too common in 1961. What makes you think it’s truncated?

ndanielson said:
Discovery is part of a court PROCESS which Lakin was denied.

The why did you tell us it wouldn’t have gone to court if there had been discovery? And how on Earth do you figure that he would have been any less guilty of refusing to follow orders, if the judge had allowed discovery of Obama’s irrelevant BC?

ndanielson said:
Pablow, you buffoonish little troll.

Uh huh. Nice argument, rage boy.

ObamAcornLies said:
OBVIOUSLY, that clause shows that we have a “CITIZEN” and a “Natural Born Citizen” or there wouldn’t be BOTH terms in the clause

Yes. We have born citizens and naturalized citizens. And then we have birther kooks.

Gasket said:
Hello. You do realize that the Republican party was not the party of conservatives like it is today? The Democratic party was the party of the south then

The Democrat party was the party of slavery. Things haven’t changed much.

One thing for certain…David Gregory is no Tim Russert…not even close. Tim was the best and his Sunday morning numbers showed it. When Tim died of a massive heart attack everything at nbc & msnbc changed. I don’t think Tim would recognize them now, nor would he approve of the juvenile ways the nearly dead peacock does things now.

Gasket said:
Hello. You do realize that the Republican party was not the party of conservatives like it is today?

WRONG! In 1856, The Republican Party grew out of resistance to the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854, which overrode the Missouri Compromise and allowed slavery to spread into Western territory. When they formed their party, there was ALREADY a Democrat party and this was their platform in 1856: “Democrats under James Buchanan: Democrats again united along a pro-slavery platform, endorsing states’ rights, the Fugitive Slave Law, and popular sovereignty in the territories.

AND HELLOOO, do you realize that ROBERT BYRD, before he died, was the longest office holding Democrat (THE CURRENT DEMOCRATS, MIGHT I ADD) and he was not just a bigtime KKK member, but also ran his local chapter and was a recruiter. Byrd even led the filibuster when trying to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but you people say nothing about HIM being RACIST!

ObamAcornLies said:
WRONG! In 1856, The Republican Party grew out of resistance to the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854, which overrode the Missouri Compromise and allowed slavery to spread into Western territory. When they formed their party, there was ALREADY a Democrat party and this was their platform in 1856: “Democrats under James Buchanan: Democrats again united along a pro-slavery platform, endorsing states’ rights, the Fugitive Slave Law, and popular sovereignty in the territories.

I know the Democrat party already existed numbnuts. It was the party of the SOUTH just like the GOP (TODAY) is the party of the south. Same constituency. There was a realignment of party and ideology. Get that in your head. The GOP (today) is the party of the KKK and white supremacist groups.

AND HELLOOO, do you realize that ROBERT BYRD, before he died, was the longest office holding Democrat (THE CURRENT DEMOCRATS, MIGHT I ADD) and he was not just a bigtime KKK member, but also ran his local chapter and was a recruiter. Byrd even led the filibuster when trying to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but you people say nothing about HIM being RACIST!

Actually, we talk a LOT about Byrd’s racist history. It’s a shame you people don’t talk of Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms or David Duke..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
http://www.davidduke.com/general/will-dr-david-duke-run-for-u-s-president_17873.html

Pablo said:
Yes. We have born citizens and naturalized citizens. And then we have birther kooks.

WRONG!!!! America has several types of citizens. We have a:

Natural Born Citizen = Born to TWO citizen parents, ON American soil (Presidential Worthy) as in McCAIN

Dual Citizen = Born owing allegiance to America AND another country (NOT Presidential Worthy) as in OBAMA

Naturalized Citizen = Born outside the country to non citizen parents and applies for citizenship!

Citizen = Born outside the country to citizen parents NOT on US soil. ON US soil = NBC
OR
Born in the country and given citizenship via the 14th amendment, BUT parents are supposed to be SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF aka owing allegiance, which Obama’s father did not, NOR DO ANCHOR BABIES, because their parents do not owe allegiance to America. So, knowing that, Obama may not even be a Citizen, much less a NBC, if you go by the SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF clause. That was just a perversion that the left tried to weave into our history, which is now making babies of illegal immigrants, American Citizens and this SHOULD be fixed!

One would think the responsibility for proving or disproving 0bama’s place of birth would lie with that man who promised the most transparent administration in history…but, that was 0bama. While we know every bit of minutae about previous occupants of the Oval Office, we know very little about the current occupant.

Gasket said:
I know the Democrat party already existed numbnuts. It was the party of the SOUTH just like the GOP (TODAY) is the party of the south. Same constituency. There was a realignment of party and ideology. Get that in your head. The GOP (today) is the party of the KKK and white supremacist groups.

I guess that’s why Colonel Allen West was a KEYNOTE speaker during CPAC this year, along with Herman Cain, another great American Patriot. Do you people call THEM, racists also? Colonel West puts it so eloquently at the 3 minute mark, in his CPAC speech, this MAN is what America NEEDS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTFV8bv4Bzk

I will take West OR Cain in the White House, over ALL the WHITES that are currently planning on running, so…call me racist if you want, but that just shows your ignorance!

treecutter said:
Tim Russert was a liberal hack just like his pathetic son. Never lost a bit of sleep when that lib croaked.

What a horrible thing to say. You should be ashamed of yourself.

ObamAcornLies said:
Natural Born Citizen = Born to TWO citizen parents, ON American soil (Presidential Worthy) as in McCAIN

Do you know where McCain was born. because technically he was not born in the US.

It’s looks like you’re ignoring some things

Woodrow Wilson’s mother was born in England
Herbert Hoover’s mother was born in Canada.
both after Chester Arthur

That’s not counting Thomas Jefferson or Andrew Jackson

THIS is SICK, no wonder they are all flip flopping, MONEY makes the World go round:

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/02/13/enemy-of-the-state-eric-cantor-paid-by-london-cuts-a-mere-100b-still-allows-trillions-to-the-crown-bailout-wants-to-work-with-them/

X-3 said:
One would think the responsibility for proving or disproving 0bama’s place of birth would lie with that man who promised the most transparent administration in history…but, that was 0bama. While we know every bit of minutae about previous occupants of the Oval Office, we know very little about the current occupant.

I’m not sure why people keep saying this. All the information was readily available. He even had a book out about his life available for anyone.

Whatcha all gonna do when you can “GET” online, to call us racists? Will you THEN start to believe us?

http://theghostfighters.wordpress.com/category/obama-launches-total-takeover-of-media-emergency-alert-system/

ObamAcornLies said:
I guess that’s why Colonel Allen West was a KEYNOTE speaker during CPAC this year, along with Herman Cain, another great American Patriot. Do you people call THEM, racists also? Colonel West puts it so eloquently at the 3 minute mark, in his CPAC speech, this MAN is what America NEEDS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTFV8bv4Bzk

I will take West OR Cain in the White House, over ALL the WHITES that are currently planning on running, so…call me racist if you want, but that just shows your ignorance!

I never called you racist, but you seem to whitewash KNOWN institutional racism from the current GOP. It’s interesting you pick West as the example of racial diversity within GOP ranks and forget to mention that before he got elected to the US House, the last BLACK GOP US Congressman to hold office there did it 8 years ago! This drought is NOT a problem with the Democratic party who in case you missed it, have had black US Senators, have/had black Governors, NUMEROUS US Reps, and actually have a sitting biracial (or black using your one drop rule metrics) US President! This is simply not some coincidence.

West will lose in 2012! He is in a swing district. He won 54-46 in a conservative rich mid-term political environment. He’s done in 12.

Is Obama a Muslim? Why do Liberal/progressive people hate America? These have to be some of the stupidest discussions taking place on the planet. Who cares about organized religion. The older I get the more spiritual my outlook and the more irrelevant most religions are. Obama is obviously, nominally, a liberal Christian. Good for him. I’m sure that his personal moral and spiritual values are of the highest order or he couldn’t possibly be dealing successfully, for the most part, with the enormous weight he has to bear. He has to deal with all those hypocritical religious people who don’t practice what they preach. And this hating America nonsense that you rightwingers keep going on about is totally off the wall. Who the are you to tell the rest of us that you are better Americans than we are. This is arrogance and stupidity at a very high level and undercuts whatever serious contributions you might be able to make.

Let’s see, Clarence Thomas, Condoleeza Rice, J.C. Watts, Allen West, Tim Scott, Susanna Martinez, Alberto Gonzales, Hermann Cain, Marco Rubio, and the Latino judge(whose name I cannot remember right now) who Bush tried to appoint to the federal bench, but the DEMOCRATS held up the nomination because they did NOT want a CONSERVATIVE Latino judge to have the credentials for a Supreme Court nomination.

Perhaps Allen West won’t win a Congressional seat in 2012- because he’ll be running for President.

Obama was never vetted by the media because he is bi-racial (HE is the one who self-identifies as Black, as he wrote in his first book, if you’ve read it). We still know next to nothing factual about Obama- only what he SAYS about himself. McCain was too afraid of being labeled “racist” to actually question Obama’s background. If you’ll recall, Obama’s campaign even painted Bill Clinton as “racist” and that was quite the stretch for “the first Black President.”

If we ever get past racial identities in this country, perhaps we can judge politicians on their credentials, their ideas and their character- or, in Obama’s case, the lack thereof.

CosmosDan said:
Do you know where McCain was born. because technically he was not born in the US.

Technically, he was on American soil because his father was in the military and on a US base in Panama. So you think that because someone is in the military ABROAD fighting for our country and they have a baby while there, that that baby should NOT be a Natural Born Citizen?

Are you REALLY that ignorant?

CosmosDan said:
Do you know where McCain was born. because technically he was not born in the US.
It’s looks like you’re ignoring some things

If you had read the FULL context before spouting off, you would have FOUND your answer!

CosmosDan said:
I’m not sure why people keep saying this. All the information was readily available. He even had a book out about his life available for anyone.

Which was written by Bill Ayers the terrorist!

ObamAcornLies said:
Whatcha all gonna do when you can “GET” online

oops, I meant CAN’T get online!

CosmosDan said:
I’m not sure why people keep saying this. All the information was readily available. He even had a book out about his life available for anyone.

What Barack Obama Hid From His Readers

He pretty much glossed over Jeremiah Wright, too.

CosmosDan said:
Do you know where McCain was born. because technically he was not born in the US.

He was, actually. The Canal Zone was US soil until Carter gave it to Panama.

Gasket said:
This drought is NOT a problem with the Democratic party who in case you missed it, have had black US Senators,

OH, you mean the BLACK Socialists that are in the Democratic party? LOLOL, sorry, but they don’t count because the American People will never let the Socialists take over:

My video proves my point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VobzL1f8oI4

Gasket said:
He won 54-46 in a conservative rich mid-term political environment. He’s done in 12.

He did better than Obama did, and I heard that was a landslide. Are you using a Magic 8-ball?

ObamAcornLies said:
Technically, he was on American soil because his father was in the military and on a US base in Panama. So you think that because someone is in the military ABROAD fighting for our country and they have a baby while there, that that baby should NOT be a Natural Born Citizen?

Are you REALLY that ignorant?

I never said any such thing. Try a little reading comprehension.
You are the one having a hissy fit over NBC having to be born on American soil. And you mentioned McCain. Abroad is not US soil military or not. Are you now altering your own definition of NBC?
Wouldn’t surprise me.

Citizen, Natural Born Citizen, all in all at this time isn’t it a moot point? I don’t see anyone escorting BHO to the front door of the White House and saying “Sorry you don’t qualify to be President”. Wouldn’t the Supreme Court have made a determination on this already and wouldn’t the GOP have jumped all over this given how endeared they are to him. Seems resolved like it or not.

Pablo said:
He was, actually. The Canal Zone was US soil until Carter gave it to Panama.

Not according to President Cater who said we were only using it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23415028/ns/nightly_news/
“U.S. ‘never had sovereignty’ over Canal Zone
Besides, many legal scholars say the Canal Zone never was sovereign U.S. territory. In a February 1978 speech to the nation on the Panama Canal Treaty, heavily vetted by government lawyers, President Carter said, “We have never had sovereignty over it. We have only had the right to use it. The US Supreme Court and previous American presidents have repeatedly acknowledged the sovereignty of Panama over the Canal Zone.”

Ultimately, I don’t care. I just got tired of birther boy’s BS.

ObamAcornLies said:
Which was written by Bill Ayers the terrorist!

You must be a preferred customer at Conspiracy World. Could you help me get a discount. I like a 9/11 conspiracy with ALL the fixins.

CosmosDan said:
I never said any such thing. Try a little reading comprehension.
You are the one having a hissy fit over NBC having to be born on American soil. And you mentioned McCain. Abroad is not US soil military or not. Are you now altering your own definition of NBC?

It’s quite obvious that you are just being an IDIOT. A base for the US on foreign land, where citizens fight for their country, still make babies. You think just because they are OFF US soil, that their children don’t get Natural Born Citizenship, if both parents are citizens?

Play dumb, we expect that of you! It’s already been proven and Obama SIGNED it. Funny that is says a citizen must have CITIZEN parents and YES, Obama signed it, as well!

CosmosDan said:
Abroad is not US soil military or not

So, Puerto Rico is NOT us SOIL, even though it’s abroad? Along with the Phillipines, Guam, US Virgin Islands and Northern Mariana Islands? You are SO WRONG and history deficient!

ObamAcornLies said:
You think just because they are OFF US soil, that their children don’t get Natural Born Citizenship, if both parents are citizens?

I was just pointing out you think that, since you’re the one who said it. It’s nice that you can change the definition to fit the conspiracy. I’m sure that comes in handy.

ObamAcornLies said:
So, Puerto Rico is NOT us SOIL, even though it’s abroad? Along with the Phillipines, Guam, US Virgin Islands and Northern Mariana Islands? You are SO WRONG and history deficient!

If they are US Soil they are not abroad, by definition of the word. I have to travel to get to Alaska too but I’m not abroad am I? You’re not very good at this. That explains the babbling I guess.
Try more CAPS. Raising your voice always increases your truth factor.

ObamAcornLies said:
OH, you mean the BLACK Socialists that are in the Democratic party? LOLOL, sorry, but they don’t count because the American People will never let the Socialists take over:

My video proves my point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VobzL1f8oI4

Argumentum ad hominem when your little premise deconstructs huh?

Pablo said:
He did better than Obama did, and I heard that was a landslide. Are you using a Magic 8-ball?

Obama won by a landslide. You know….it’s the electoral college that really matters in presidential elections. West winning by single digits in a swing district in a very strong anti-incumbent (Democrat) year is nothing but. I can put money on it, the dude WILL lose especially if he continues being a demagogue. You saw what happened to Alan Grayson.

CosmosDan said:
I was just pointing out you think that, since you’re the one who said it. It’s nice that you can change the definition to fit the conspiracy. I’m sure that comes in handy.

Don’t you just love how he changes goal posts?

Rockycomet said:
Citizen, Natural Born Citizen, all in all at this time isn’t it a moot point? I don’t see anyone escorting BHO to the front door of the White House and saying “Sorry you don’t qualify to be President”. Wouldn’t the Supreme Court have made a determination on this already and wouldn’t the GOP have jumped all over this given how endeared they are to him. Seems resolved like it or not.

This assumes Birthers use logic. They do not. Do they think McCain or Clinton after really hard fought bruising campaigns would just concede without investigating a disputed allegation? Do these Birthers realize that Obama himself challenged the qualifications of his rival for US Senate in 2004? Do you think a man of questionable background would do that and open himself to easy investigation? This is common sense. The people who say theat Obama was “never vetted” are simply stating that they do not accept, agree or validate what has been uncovered since it doesn’t confirm or conform to their already pre-existing beliefs. It’s confirmation bias 101.

Annie Oakley said:
If we ever get past racial identities in this country, perhaps we can judge politicians on their credentials, their ideas and their character- or, in Obama’s case, the lack thereof.

Well Annie, that seems to be the rub, isn’t it. Racism is big business in this country. People make fortunes off the race game, so why would they stop. You keep one group believing that another group is out to get them, then provide the “programs” and “help” they need to overcome the very problem these decadent and vile hucksters continue to foment. It just does not happen in the US, its a classic maneuver, one of the first I learned about in my first international relations course. How do you think dictators keep control of their populace, this is one tool in the box.

Do we have racism, of course we do, but not like the race baiters want you to believe. I will state it again, racism and bigotry is not just a “White” problem. I live in Nashville, I was going into the local grocery store and noticed a Hispanic man standing outside, looking like he was waiting for a ride (my guess). So a Metro Squad Car comes from clear across the other side of the parking lot, pulls up and out pops the officer. Want to take a guess as to the color of the officer? Here is a hint, he was NOT WHITE! Yes, my fellow Americans, he was a big 6″2 Black Officer and he proceeded to treat the Hispanic man in a manner that was, shall we say, reminiscent of the fire hose days in Alabama. Racism and Bigotry are a human condition that we must all fight to end, but it never will as long as someone thinks that we will still be fooled by their slick tactics and self important rants.

That’s for you Rev. Al, get some new material, I hear that Rev. Wright may need a new partner.

Gasket said:
This assumes Birthers use logic.

Well that is debatable, just like truthers and countless others who are lead down the garden path.

However, I do have a little question? Why has team “O” spent a ton of money blocking any attempt to access his records? This, in the recent past, has become one of the things that Candidates routinely release, so why not now? What is the motive for these legal maneuvers? Anyone with two decent brain cells could have predicted this outcome, so why do it?

At the extremes, either the legal team for President “O” are the dumbest group to bribe a Bar Association or they are some of the smartest strategists this side of Karl Von Clausewitz. Of course its probably between the two, because here we are talking about it again and not looking at the other hand, I have to lean towards the “Von side of the house” on this one. Get your opponent looking where you need him to look, while you go about your business unnoticed. Welcome to Chicago style politics all, glad I moved out of Illinois when I was seven.

Okay, for the mouth breathers like David Gregory, it’s like this. Obama was raised as a muslim both by his father and his stepfather Lolo Soetero. That said, Barry Soetero has said he’s a “christian”, and I use the little “c” because he affiliated himself with the vile anti-semitic, black theological church run by the disgusting Jeremiah Wright. I find Barry Obama’s adult participation for TWENTY YEARS to be more a disgust than anything muslim he did as a child i.e. before he could make his own decisions. Oh, and his friendships with domestic terrorists is quite sickening as well. Bill Ayers anyone? However, I personally believe he is closer to what Maher talked about and would go a step further to add Barry’s god is closer to his political ideology. In other words, the religion of Statism–and self love. Barry Obama is the biggest narcissist I’ve ever seen—and who thought anyone could top Bill (fellatio in the Oval Office) Clinton.

CosmosDan said:
If people can’t stand the guy and prefer to believe every bad thing they hear that’s up to them.

bar mitzvah – when kids are 13.

People can’t stand Palin and choose to believe every bad thing they hear – even stuff completely made up – about her.

Obama lied repeatedly about his past, and got busted lying, and that is why people don’t believe him. People accuse conservatives of making decisions based on religious beliefs all the time. It certainly isn’t out of bounds to think that Obama might make decisions that favor Muslims, based on his past, family members, or personal beliefs. Many liberals seem to favor Mulims over Christians…. And it doesn’t help when he is caught bowing to them, and lying about it.

Y’all have a point. Just look at all the racist and the bigots from the south. They were raised by racist and bigots and now they are racists and bigots! So it must be true.

CosmosDan said:
Do you know where McCain was born. because technically he was not born in the US.

“A senior official of the McCain campaign showed a reporter Dobbs a copy of the senator’s birth certificate issued by Canal Zone health authorities, recording his birth in the Coco Solo “family hospital.” A lawsuit filed by Fred Hollander in 2008 alleged that McCain was actually born in a civilian hospital in Colon City, Panama.”

These views have been criticized by Gabriel J. Chin, Professor of Law at the University of Arizona, who argues that McCain was at birth a citizen of Panama and was only retroactively declared a born citizen under 8 U.S.C. § 1403, because at the time of his birth and with regard to the Canal Zone the Supreme Court’s Insular Cases overruled the Naturalization Act of 1795, which would otherwise have declared McCain a U.S. citizen immediately at birth.[63] The US Foreign Affairs Manual states that children born in the Panama Canal Zone at certain times became U.S. nationals without citizenship. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States”

Funny that his birthplace/eligibility were questioned, there was a lawsuit, a fake birth certificate, people still doubt/question his eligibility, and he showed his birth certificate to a reporter.

Yet, people who question Obama’s eligibility are racist….

It was definitely Nancy Pelosi’s job to refute the myths about George Bush. Oh wait, it wasn’t?

TrollJuice said:
Y’all have a point. Just look at all the racist and the bigots from the south. They were raised by racist and bigots and now they are racists and bigots! So it must be true.

Oh please tell me you are kidding. I am a military brat and ex military myself, that means I moved a whole bunch of times. Minnesotta, Illinois, Michigan and Deleware were in the mix, as was Texas, Georgia, Arizona, South Carolina. You know I found, the North is just better at hiding it, or was until we hit the so-called reverse racism button. I heard almost as many slurs in the north as in the south, the people in the north just used to couch it better. My favorite, don’t go out with them, they are “from the other side of the tracks”. After a while, the pretenses went away and it was just flat in the open.

Little history lesson. It is true that the south had huge racial issues, there is no disputing that. However, where did the race riots take place in the 70′s? Where were the busing riots. If you say the south, “smaka paw”, no treat. Let’s see, these little bonfire parties were in places like; Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Watts, and other northern and non-southern cities and towns.

So, again, please tell me you were kidding…

sarainitaly said:
bar mitzvah – when kids are 13.

Many years ago when I attended church they talked about the “age of consent” when kids were old enough to make their commitment to God of their own free will. It was around that age. In some cases there can be a lot of family or social pressure to join. Watch the Movie “Jesus Camp” it’s brainwashing kids for Jesus. Tragic.

sarainitaly said:
People can’t stand Palin and choose to believe every bad thing they hear – even stuff completely made up – about her.

I don’t think the % are even close but that’s just an opinion. It’s not a pretty part of human traits that we tend to do that. It springs from our bias and it’s something we need to be conscious of and adjust for so we can be more objective. I ask myself if I’m using the same standard to judge different people and different events. It’s not perfect but it helps.

sarainitaly said:
People accuse conservatives of making decisions based on religious beliefs all the time. It certainly isn’t out of bounds to think that Obama might make decisions that favor Muslims, based on his past, family members, or personal beliefs

It’s pretty clear that conservatives have courted the votes of Christian fundamentalists for a long time. In order to do that they have to take certain stances on policy, whether they personally believe it or not. Remember when McCain had to distance himself from John Hagee after Rev Wright was being attacked? That kind of thing had gone on for years but when the right made such an issue of Obama’s minister the left started fighting back.
It isn’t out of bounds to wonder or question, it’s just kind of pointless speculation. It’s a fact that our policy of decades of interference in the ME has fostered anger and resentment against us. Now we have to deal with terrorism on several fronts and one of them is to reach out to Muslim nations in a way that doesn’t continue breeding resentment. GWB made a point to separate terrorism from Islam as a whole. Was he favoring Muslims? Let’s judge Obama’s policies based on some decent reasoning , not just bias.

sarainitaly said:
Many liberals seem to favor Mulims over Christians…

Many liberals are trying to push back the prejudice and bigotry that has potential to make things far worse as some conservatives paint all Muslims as the enemy. Religious freedom in this country means we treat all religions equally doesn’t it?

sarainitaly said:
nd it doesn’t help when he is caught bowing to them, and lying about it.

That’s the kind of overblown nonsense I’m talking about. There are certain customs that are observed in international relations. Did anyone that got all worked up over that bother to look things up and find out if it was common practice?
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/33289_Bush_Bowed_Too Here’s Bush getting a medal from Saudi king.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyKWAv-6WEA Bush walks hand in hand, even kissed him, as is the custom.
The Bush family has had business connections with the Saudis for a long time. Where were most of the 9/11 hijackers from? Why wasn’t that connection questioned as vigorously as Obama’s father that he barely knew.
What good does it do us in making a big deal out of trivial nonsense?

sarainitaly said:
Yet, people who question Obama’s eligibility are racist….

It’s one thing to question someone’s eligibility as part of a campaign ploy, or a few extreme partisans. To have it still going on two years into a presidency is nonsense. You would expect the GOP itself to have pursued the issue if there was anything really there. Instead it’s just the fringe element of conservatives. I feel bad that that kind of foolishness has become so much of the national dialog.

I also believe that there are plenty of greedy people willing to capitalize on fear and anger by feeding the fire. It’s too bad they find support.

CosmosDan said:
That’s the kind of overblown nonsense I’m talking about. There are certain customs that are observed in international relations. Did anyone that got all worked up over that bother to look things up and find out if it was common practice?
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/33289_Bush_Bowed_Too Here’s Bush getting a medal from Saudi king.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyKWAv-6WEA Bush walks hand in hand, even kissed him, as is the custom.

Did you even watch the video you linked? Obama broke protocol, Bush didn’t. Holding hands and kisses are following protocol, and a sign of friendship. POTUS doesn’t bow to monarchy. Seriously, you are saying that Bush receiving a medal is bowing? If Obama did nothing wrong, why they hello did Gibbs LIE that he bowed?

CosmosDan said:
It’s one thing to question someone’s eligibility as part of a campaign ploy, or a few extreme partisans. To have it still going on two years into a presidency is nonsense. You would expect the GOP itself to have pursued the issue if there was anything really there. Instead it’s just the fringe element of conservatives. I feel bad that that kind of foolishness has become so much of the national dialog.

I also believe that there are plenty of greedy people willing to capitalize on fear and anger by feeding the fire. It’s too bad they find support.

it ended with McCain because he showed his long form birth certificate.
perhaps it is still going on for obama because he hasn’t shown his long form birth certificate, or perhaps there is actually something *there*.

“I feel bad that that kind of foolishness has become so much of the national dialog. ”

Yea, it’s too bad people like David Gregory and Tingles Matthews keep bringing it up in the MSM…

I thought that having planes fly over the beach, towing banners reading “Obama is not a Muslim” was a bit much.

sarainitaly said:
Did you even watch the video you linked? Obama broke protocol, Bush didn’t. Holding hands and kisses are following protocol, and a sign of friendship. POTUS doesn’t bow to monarchy. Seriously, you are saying that Bush receiving a medal is bowing? If Obama did nothing wrong, why they hello did Gibbs LIE that he bowed?

I’m saying that even if Obama made a protocol mistake , making a huge deal out of it is foolish. It’s completely trivial.
No comments about the Bush families ongoing business dealings with the Saudi’s or the Saudi hijackers? If we’re going to seek out connections and make them into something to be concerned about, that seems like a good one.

He’s not a Muslim, he just plays one on TV.

writer said:
Yea, it’s too bad people like David Gregory and Tingles Matthews keep bringing it up in the MSM…

really? Shucks, that was my recommendation. I was going to add HEY DUFUS!! on the front. Too much?

sarainitaly said:
Yea, it’s too bad people like David Gregory and Tingles Matthews keep bringing it up in the MSM…

Yep, A lot more important things to talk about. All that deserves is, “it’s ridiculous let’s move onto to relevant issues.”

I disagree with Bohner in that our elected officials are also supposed to be leaders and not just listeners. They should be informing the public in a realistic manner instead of pandering. We’re way out of balance. A GOP congressman was booed and then voted out in the primaries because he suggested at a town hall meeting that people stop listening to Glenn Beck.
GOP Senator Tom Coburn is excellent but when he made an offhand comment about Fox news not presenting accurate information BillO got him on the show to swear he was mistaken. Turns out Bill was full of it.
Coburn was excellent in encouraging Fox and all networks to please present accurate information so we can have informed discussions. Sadly, he’s leaving the Senate. Those elected officials who want to have rational informed public debate are often drowned out by those who pander to oversimplified slogans and stereotypes.

potvin said:
He’s not a Muslim, he just plays one on TV.

The TV that only exists in the minds of certain fringe elements.

Gasket said:
Obama won by a landslide. You know….it’s the electoral college that really matters in presidential elections.

Yeah right, a landslide of FRAUD was about all he WON! (And that’s not screaming, just stressing the word!)

Acorn Fraud Cases
http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html#tx

CosmosDan said:
It’s one thing to question someone’s eligibility as part of a campaign ploy, or a few extreme partisans. To have it still going on two years into a presidency is nonsense. You would expect the GOP itself to have pursued the issue if there was anything really there.

UNLESS they were paid off!
http://www.dailypaul.com/154751/slush-fund-of-top-politicians-found-at-vatican-bank-obama-clinton-roberts-legatus-split

CosmosDan said:
I disagree with Bohner in that our elected officials are also supposed to be leaders and not just listeners. They should be informing the public in a realistic manner instead of pandering. We’re way out of balance.

You are a joke! The People’s House is EXACTLY that OUR HOUSE and THEY are supposed to listen to US!

Did you forget that THEY work for US! We will press and press and press this issue until they finally investigate it. Believe me, we will not stop and it is only going to get worse!

ObamAcornLies said:
You are a joke! The People’s House is EXACTLY that OUR HOUSE and THEY are supposed to listen to US!

Did you forget that THEY work for US! We will press and press and press this issue until they finally investigate it. Believe me, we will not stop and it is only going to get worse!

Gosh you amuse me.

CosmosDan said:
I’m not sure why people keep saying this. All the information was readily available. He even had a book out about his life available for anyone.

Sorry Cosmo, that just doesn’t cut it. He didn’t even write his own autobiography. NOWHERE have we seen the long-form BC, NOWHERE have we seen the college transcripts. I cannot prove that 0bama was NOT born in the US but it is impossible to prove a negative. What I’m saying is that I DON’T KNOW where he was born. When you can prove to me that he was born in the US, I will be very happy to learn that he has not countermanded our Constitution by accepting his election. Until then, I will continue to wonder, and when I wonder about things, I tend to seek the truth. In the end, the TRUTH is all that matters.

Rockycomet said:
Wouldn’t the Supreme Court have made a determination on this already and wouldn’t the GOP have jumped all over this given how endeared they are to him

Sorry Rocky, they don’t have enough information to make that decision. I’m really trying to be reasonable when I say I don’t know the TRUTH. Neither do you. Don’t you think we deserve to know one way or the other? Don’t you think it would be so easy for Mr. 0bama to put this question to bed by simply proving that his grandmother lied about midwifing his birth, by simply proving that the Kenya BC was just “made up” by someone who wants to do him harm, by simply showing us his college transcripts, selective service registrations, and all the other supportive documentation? Is it wrong to want to know for sure???

CosmosDan said-A lot more important things to talk about. All that deserves is, “it’s ridiculous let’s move onto to relevant issues.”

Precisely what I meant when I said it’s a moot point. At this time there are far more pressing needs to address, rather than rehash the same argument over and over. Two years into the Presidency and we are not going to see him put out to pasture over this issue. Let’s do something constructive.

X-3 said-I’m really trying to be reasonable when I say I don’t know the TRUTH. Neither do you. Don’t you think we deserve to know one way or the other?

Absolutely! None of us know all the truth and if we did, we would probably all have our hair standing on end. As with any Presidency a lot comes out down the line when it really no longer matters. FDR was in a wheel chair a very guarded secret. Who knew JFK was so heavily medicated. There are many that say GWB was elected by the Florida and National judiciary (however you feel about that). The point is there is no relevance to holding our breath and stomping our feet over something that won’t be revealed for the next 2 to 6 yrs. When you have people like Rep. Steve King talking about shutting the Gov’t down if Ocare isn’t repealed that scares me. Really? How about putting you’re over paid (Dem and Rep) heads together and come up with a real solution that’s inarguable and beneficial to all Americans. We have a leadership in this country that is too busy preserving their jobs and pretending to get work done by fighting each other and then getting nothing done. A lot of time was spend getting Ocare done (whether you like it or not) now they want to undo it. Why couldn’t these thieves (collecting pay checks and benefits) have gotten it right in the first place? There are far more important things to address and resolve!

ObomAcornLies says:

CosmosDan said:
I disagree with Bohner in that our elected officials are also supposed to be leaders and not just listeners. They should be informing the public in a realistic manner instead of pandering. We’re way out of balance.

You are a joke! The People’s House is EXACTLY that OUR HOUSE and THEY are supposed to listen to US!
Did you forget that THEY work for US! We will press and press and press this issue until they finally investigate it. Believe me, we will not stop and it is only going to get worse!

Cos isn’t a joke, he not that funny………really.

I don’t understand, what part of “supposed to be leader’s not just listeners” didn’t you get? He wasn’t implying they should do what they want despite what we say (although they do). As far as press and press and press until they investigate, you will get nothing, nothing, nothing done except waste time. It will get worse with that perspective, a continuation of zero accomplishment.

X-3 said:
Sorry Cosmo, that just doesn’t cut it. He didn’t even write his own autobiography. NOWHERE have we seen the long-form BC, NOWHERE have we seen the college transcripts. I cannot prove that 0bama was NOT born in the US but it is impossible to prove a negative. What I’m saying is that I DON’T KNOW where he was born. When you can prove to me that he was born in the US, I will be very happy to learn that he has not countermanded our Constitution by accepting his election. Until then, I will continue to wonder, and when I wonder about things, I tend to seek the truth. In the end, the TRUTH is all that matters.

Honestly, how much of this type of detailed information have you or most Americans insisted on having from ANY president. A birth certificate was released, not good enough. The republican Governor of Hawaii says he was born there, not good enough. Is it possible he wasn’t born in the US and there’s some big cover up? Sure. Is it possible 9/11 WAS an inside job? That it was known about and allowed to happen? That’s possible too. The TRUTH definitely matters, but at some point we have to accept the way things are and what we may never know.

Rockycomet said:
I don’t understand, what part of “supposed to be leader’s not just listeners” didn’t you get? He wasn’t implying they should do what they want despite what we say (although they do)

the “not JUST listeners” is the key. Meaning of course they should listen, but not only that. As leaders they should inform those they represent, dispel rumors and misunderstandings. If the general public has the wrong idea , they should be correcting them and providing accurate information.

That’s why it’s disappointing when you have elected officials trying to do that and rather than embrace the facts and appreciate the official that makes that effort , people prefer the BS.

CosmosDan says: the “not JUST listeners” is the key.

Precisely! They are too busy being self serving (both Rep and Dem) to do the morally and truly Patriotic responsible actions required of their office. That is of course to get the job done by finding common ground.

How would the tan-man, crier know if he told the truth? He ain’t never done it before. Where are the jobs you drunken sot? So Be It!!