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Ted Koppel: Why Did Libya Win The ‘Humanitarian Defense Sweepstakes Of 2011?’

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There is still no consensus amongst liberals or conservatives whether President Obama should have used military action in Libya. Lining up on the side of those critical of Obama is the BBC‘s Ted Koppel who wonders of all the countries worldwide that face a potential humanitarian crisis, why do the citizens of Libya deserve America’s focus and protection more than the citizens of any other country?

Koppel argues that many countries throughout the world have had much greater civilian loss than Libya, including the Congo, Sudan and the Ivory Coast. Therefore, Koppel asks, “why it is that Libya, of all countries in that region, has won the humanitarian defense sweepstakes of 2011?” Koppel says it’s a simple question, yet one that neither Obama nor anyone in his administration has been able to answer.

If Koppel’s displeasure with the Libyan strategy wasn’t clear enough, later in the show he suggests, “we know for a fact that Gaddafi is a bad guy, but we know very little about the people who seek to replace him.” In fact all we do know, according to Koppel, is that a disproportionately high number of the Libyan rebels aided Al-Qaeda in Iraq. Koppel clearly needs a lot of convincing that this was the right strategy, and maybe Obama’s speech tomorrow night to the nation can begin to aid in that effort.

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  • Dem4Ever

    “BBC’s Ted Koppel who wonders of all the countries worldwide that face a potential humanitarian crisis, why do the citizens of Libya deserve America’s focus and protection more than the citizens of any other country?”

    Answer:  Nobody knows the answer.  Not even O-Bomb-A.

  • same2u

    The most cogent statement was by Hillary Clinton who said if a massacre had occurred, then those on the right–many who called for a fly zone before they opposed it–would have blamed the president’s inaction for the slaughter. It is all about political opportunism for these despicable righty douchebags.

  • The Lantern of Truth

    Common sense from this Englishman .

  • tatboy

    same2u said:
    The most cogent statement was by Hillary Clinton who said if a massacre had occurred, then those on the right–many who called for a fly zone before they opposed it–would have blamed the president’s inaction for the slaughter. It is all about political opportunism for these despicable righty douchebags.

    As it was for the left against Bush…

  • tatboy

    same2u said:
    The most cogent statement was by Hillary Clinton who said if a massacre had occurred, then those on the right–many who called for a fly zone before they opposed it–would have blamed the president’s inaction for the slaughter. It is all about political opportunism for these despicable righty douchebags.

    BTW… you do realize you just admitted that Obama went to war for politics… right?

  • slickerwick

    same2u said:
    The most cogent statement was by Hillary Clinton who said if a massacre had occurred, then those on the right–many who called for a fly zone before they opposed it–would have blamed the president’s inaction for the slaughter. It is all about political opportunism for these despicable righty douchebags.

    From your statement it sounds like the Obama administration is doing it for poltical reasons. In other words, he’s doing it so the right doesn’t blame him for not doing it. Sounds like political opportunism.

    What do you think of Koppel’s analysis. He’s just a “righty douchebag” huh?

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Why Did Libya Win The ‘Humanitarian Defense Sweepstakes Of 2011?’

    “BBC’s Ted Koppel who wonders of all the countries worldwide that face a potential humanitarian crisis, why do the citizens of Libya deserve America’s focus and protection more than the citizens of any other country?”

    Is Ted trying to insinuate Obama is helping out a Muslim country over any other humanitarian crisis?

  • OxyCon

    same2u said:
    The most cogent statement was by Hillary Clinton who said if a massacre had occurred, then those on the right–many who called for a fly zone before they opposed it–would have blamed the president’s inaction for the slaughter. It is all about political opportunism for these despicable righty douchebags.

    The only people who would have cried if a bunch of al Queda terrorists got slaughtered is the America hating far left.

  • puck30

    Myself I was hoping it was going to be Cuba that won the sweepstakes. I wanted so bad to experience their fantastic Free Healthcare and their Modern Rapid Transit System.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKb_3R7-ANw

  • Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz

    “It is all about political opportunism for these despicable righty douchebags.”

    Oh, the hypocrisy…

  • ProObamaAgenda

    hey teddy boo…..if Obama told you why you wouldnt understand anyway…..so why bother

  • Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz

    GATES: Libya Posed No Threat to U.S., Was Not ‘Vital National Interest’ to Intervene…

  • Color Me Badd

    Thank you Ted Koppel. And what a total failure the American mainstream media is that Ted Koppel can’t get a job with them. Total joke.

  • Color Me Badd

    sarainitaly said:
    Why Did Libya Win The ‘Humanitarian Defense Sweepstakes Of 2011?’

    “BBC’s Ted Koppel who wonders of all the countries worldwide that face a potential humanitarian crisis, why do the citizens of Libya deserve America’s focus and protection more than the citizens of any other country?”

    Is Ted trying to insinuate Obama is helping out a Muslim country over any other humanitarian crisis?

    No you idiot it has nothing to do with Muslims it has everything to do with it’s oil resources. God what dopes these people are.

  • Barack Must Go

    Allah only knows Theodore, allah only knows, well allah and Barack Hussein Obama, but good luck getting a straight answer out o that one, if you can even get an answer out of him at all.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Color Me Badd said:
    No you idiot it has nothing to do with Muslims it has everything to do with it’s oil resources. God what dopes these people are.

    oh yea, cuz Congo, Sudan and Ivory Coast don’t have oil….

    so, you’re saying Obama went into this war just for oil?
    Still doesn’t answer why he doesn’t help out Congo, Sudan or Ivory Coast.

  • grafxmail7

    sarainitaly said:
    Why Did Libya Win The ‘Humanitarian Defense Sweepstakes Of 2011?’

    “BBC’s Ted Koppel who wonders of all the countries worldwide that face a potential humanitarian crisis, why do the citizens of Libya deserve America’s focus and protection more than the citizens of any other country?”

    Is Ted trying to insinuate Obama is helping out a Muslim country over any other humanitarian crisis?

    You never disappoint with your SHEER STUPIDITY!!!!

    There reason we’re there is OIL. You obviously know this but you’d rather let your IDIOTIC IDEOLOGY guide you with your absurd posts as usual.

    ….another thing….why do you HATE ITALY?????

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Color Me Badd said:
    No you idiot it has nothing to do with Muslims it has everything to do with it’s oil resources. God what dopes these people are.

    and FYI, “idiot” i was joking, and saying it to get your *collective* goats.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    grafxmail7 said:
    You never disappoint with your SHEER STUPIDITY!!!!

    There reason we’re there is OIL. You obviously know this but you’d rather let your IDIOTIC IDEOLOGY guide you with your absurd posts as usual.

    ….another thing….why do you HATE ITALY?????

    LOL! smoke dope much?

    so, you, like Badd, are saying that Obama doesn’t give a sh*t about the people, he just bombed the crap out of a country for oil?

  • Garth

    Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz said:
    GATES: Libya Posed No Threat to U.S., Was Not ‘Vital National Interest’ to Intervene…

    Did he happen to add anything to that? Just wondering.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Are you guys calling Hillary, Gates and Obama liars?

    “No, no,” Gates said in a joint appearance with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. “It was not — it was not a vital national interest to the United States, but it was an interest and it was an interest for all of the reasons Secretary Clinton talked about. The engagement of the Arabs, the engagement of the Europeans, the general humanitarian question that was at stake,” he said.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/03/defense-secretary-libya-did-not-pose-threat-to-us-was-not-vital-national-interest-to-intervene.html

    Garth – the interview is at that link above.

  • Color Me Badd

    sarainitaly said:
    and FYI, “idiot” i was joking, and saying it to get your *collective* goats.

    Oh good one you got me tee hee.

  • Color Me Badd

    sarainitaly said:
    LOL! smoke dope much?

    so, you, like Badd, are saying that Obama doesn’t give a sh*t about the people, he just bombed the crap out of a country for oil?

    Yes that is exactly what I am saying and I went back and read your stupid Muslim quote and you weren’t joking you are saying that now but you say stupid stuff like that nearly everyday. Stay in Italy.

  • TillieGlockenspiel

    Why isn’t Mediaite reporting on this story?

    “The liberal group Media Matters has quietly transformed itself in preparation for what its founder, David Brock, described in an interview as an all-out campaign of “guerrilla warfare and sabotage” aimed at the Fox News Channel.”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51949.html#ixzz1Hq2VK159

  • Color Me Badd

    sarainitaly said:
    Are you guys calling Hillary, Gates and Obama liars?

    “No, no,” Gates said in a joint appearance with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. “It was not — it was not a vital national interest to the United States, but it was an interest and it was an interest for all of the reasons Secretary Clinton talked about. The engagement of the Arabs, the engagement of the Europeans, the general humanitarian question that was at stake,” he said.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/03/defense-secretary-libya-did-not-pose-threat-to-us-was-not-vital-national-interest-to-intervene.html

    Garth – the interview is at that link above.

    Yes I am calling them liars, you never have a problem with calling them liars most of the time, unless it serves your ideological interests. Then you get indignant saying stupid stuff like your quote above. Give up, you are transparent.

  • TeaPartyPatriot

    The MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION about Libya: Who are the anti-gadhafi rebels?

    Are they al qaeda? Radical Islamic muslims? America-hating Jihadis? Mercenaries working for ahmadinejad? The Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas? From the information gathered by Britain’s Daily Telegraph and elsewhere and summarized by Byron York in the Washington Examiner, it seems that all of these are involved. No rational American would want to help any of them get in charge of Libya.

    Thanks to this article, I now understand why “You Lie!” hussein is supporting these rebels. These types stick together.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Color Me Badd said:
    Yes that is exactly what I am saying and I went back and read your stupid Muslim quote and you weren’t joking you are saying that now but you say stupid stuff like that nearly everyday. Stay in Italy.

    um, yes, sorry dear, but i was. i don’t really think that is what koppel was hinting at. although, who knows….maybe he was! maybe he thinks Obama is looking out for his Muslim brothers! hahah
    *I* say stupid stuff every day? HAHA Stay in Italy? *eyeroll*

    As usual, when you have nothing to contribute you just make personal insane attacks.

    You didn’t answer my question. are saying that Obama doesn’t give a sh*t about the people, he just bombed the crap out of a country for oil? are you calling Hillary, Gates and Obama liars?

  • Garth

    TeaPartyPatriot said:
    The MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION about Libya: Who are the anti-gadhafi rebels?

    Are they al qaeda? Radical Islamic muslims? America-hating Jihadis? Mercenaries working for ahmadinejad? The Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas? From the information gathered by Britain’s Daily Telegraph and elsewhere and summarized by Byron York in the Washington Examiner, it seems that all of these are involved. No rational American would want to help any of them get in charge of Libya.

    Thanks to this article, I now understand why “You Lie!” hussein is supporting these rebels. These types stick together.

    I just don’t understand why you tea-bag types insist on showing your stupid to the entire planet. Why draw attention to your ignorance?

  • The Lantern of Truth

    Bad weekend for Barry .
    Libya fiasco .
    Basketball picks blown .
    Ayers admits he wrote Obama book .

    Last Thursday evening at Montclair State University, with a video camera rolling, Bill Ayers volunteered that yes indeed he had written the acclaimed Barack Obama memoir, Dreams from My Father.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/03/ayers_affirms_he_wrote_dreams.html

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Color Me Badd said:
    Yes I am calling them liars, you never have a problem with calling them liars most of the time, unless it serves your ideological interests. Then you get indignant saying stupid stuff like your quote above. Give up, you are transparent.

    when have i ever called hillary a liar? i was a huge hillary supporter.
    i think obama is a huge ass liar. i have no problem saying that.
    i am transparent? no need to be. i am not hiding anything.

    so, how does it feel knowing that obama is a big fat liar who just went to war for oil?
    are you broken hearted?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-Glackin/100000892011713 Joseph Glackin

    TeaPartyPatriot said:
    The MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION about Libya: Who are the anti-gadhafi rebels?

    Are they al qaeda? Radical Islamic muslims? America-hating Jihadis? Mercenaries working for ahmadinejad? The Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas? From the information gathered by Britain’s Daily Telegraph and elsewhere and summarized by Byron York in the Washington Examiner, it seems that all of these are involved. No rational American would want to help any of them get in charge of Libya.

    Thanks to this article, I now understand why “You Lie!” hussein is supporting these rebels. These types stick together.

    Now that the TeaPottyPatsy has pasted and posted his daily rant, a return to the question.

    Perhaps the fact that Libya lies between Tunisia (Jan, 20110) and Egypt (Feb. 2011) and is ruled by a ruthless dictator who has threatened to “go door to door” seeking out dissenters? Possibly the entire region needs a little oversight to allow peaceful change to occur.

  • Color Me Badd

    TillieGlockenspiel said:
    Why isn’t Mediaite reporting on this story?

    “The liberal group Media Matters has quietly transformed itself in preparation for what its founder, David Brock, described in an interview as an all-out campaign of “guerrilla warfare and sabotage” aimed at the Fox News Channel.”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51949.html#ixzz1Hq2VK159

    Because even Mediaite has standards, they may be low standards but nonetheless they are standards. Isn’t The Blaze bulletin board missing you right about now?

  • Color Me Badd

    sarainitaly said:
    when have i ever called hillary a liar? i was a huge hillary supporter.
    i think obama is a huge ass liar. i have no problem saying that.
    i am transparent? no need to be. i am not hiding anything.

    so, how does it feel knowing that obama is a big fat liar who just went to war for oil?
    are you broken hearted?

    No I didn’t vote for Obama or Hillary they both suck hard.

  • Color Me Badd

    sarainitaly said:
    when have i ever called hillary a liar? i was a huge hillary supporter.
    i think obama is a huge ass liar. i have no problem saying that.
    i am transparent? no need to be. i am not hiding anything.

    so, how does it feel knowing that obama is a big fat liar who just went to war for oil?
    are you broken hearted?

    You really should pay closer attention I can’t stand Obama and have voiced that on here for months. I am convinced you people need help tying your own shoes and dressing yourselves.

  • puck30

    TillieGlockenspiel said:
    Why isn’t Mediaite reporting on this story? “The liberal group Media Matters has quietly transformed itself in preparation for what its founder, David Brock, described in an interview as an all-out campaign of “guerrilla warfare and sabotage” aimed at the Fox News Channel.” Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51949.html#ixzz1Hq2VK159

    Well Tillie it isn’t really news, Media Matters is just finally saying what it’s been doing all along. Look for a lot of “an inside source” from them. Not that it’s worked in the past.

  • puck30

    Color Me Badd said:
    You really should pay closer attention I can’t stand Obama and have voiced that on here for months. I am convinced you people need help tying your own shoes and dressing yourselves.

    Do you eat Brillo for breakfast? I’m just wondering how you get in such a pleasent mood.

  • illusive man

    sarainitaly said:
    i think obama is a huge ass liar. i have no problem saying that.
    i am transparent? no need to be. i am not hiding anything.
    so, how does it feel knowing that obama is a big fat liar who just went to war for oil?

    Well you know what they say; “Politician is latin for liar”.
    Ok so not really, But it might as well be.

  • puck30

    Color Me Badd said:
    Because even Mediaite has standards, they may be low standards but nonetheless they are standards. Isn’t The Blaze bulletin board missing you right about now?

    You are soo right! That’s why we don’t see your comments on there, they have standards.

  • Color Me Badd

    puck30 said:
    Do you eat Brillo for breakfast? I’m just wondering how you get in such a pleasent mood.

    Are you kidding I am in a great mood. You people make me laugh so much. Tee Hee.

  • puck30

    Garth said:
    I just don’t understand why you tea-bag types insist on showing your stupid to the entire planet. Why draw attention to your ignorance?

    Especially when you follow up with a comment like yours you leave us no doubt about your intelligence.

    Do you have these walking into the propeller moments often? Looks like it.

  • Garth

    puck30 said:
    You are soo right! That’s why we don’t see your comments on there, they have standards.

    It’s true – you must post completely incoherent, end of times, conspiracy theory, and generally fringe nonsense to post on The Blaze. But yes, they do have standards.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Color Me Badd said:
    You really should pay closer attention I can’t stand Obama and have voiced that on here for months. I am convinced you people need help tying your own shoes and dressing yourselves.

    huh, didn’t know you were anti obama.

    i usually ignore your comments, due to their most pleasant nature…

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Color Me Badd said:
    No I didn’t vote for Obama or Hillary they both suck hard.

    so…who do you like?

  • puck30

    Color Me Badd said:
    Are you kidding I am in a great mood. You people make me laugh so much. Tee Hee.

    So being a hater makes you feel good……..I think I know the group.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuKq7YqOXwc

    And your right, you guys make me laugh when you show up in the park.

  • puck30

    sarainitaly said:
    so…who do you like?

    Nobody from what I heard.

  • puck30

    Garth said:
    It’s true – you must post completely incoherent, end of times, conspiracy theory, and generally fringe nonsense to post on The Blaze. But yes, they do have standards.

    REALLY? Well Ladies and Gentlemen the great Goof will now provide proof of these ramblings I post over at the blaze.

    Yes! The Great Goof will now backup all that he has just posted, unless his helmet is wrapped too tight on his head again.

    Question: How do you confuse Goof on a worksite?

    Answer: Lay down 3 shovels and tell him to take his pick.

  • illusive man

    puck30 said:
    Question: How do you confuse Goof on a worksite?
    Answer: Lay down 3 shovels and tell him to take his pick

    I would laugh at your joke if it wasn’t so painfully true.
    Oh what the hell, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    puck30 said:
    Nobody from what I heard.

    that seems pretty obvious! haha
    most unpleasant sort, isn’t she?

    (i think it’s really rrk aka sybil)

  • cjd ohio 1

    sarainitaly said:
    so…who do you like?

    lenin, stalin are more her speed, she likes re-education camps

  • Sidhekitten

    Joseph Glackin said:
    Now that the TeaPottyPatsy has pasted and posted his daily rant, a return to the question.

    Perhaps the fact that Libya lies between Tunisia (Jan, 20110) and Egypt (Feb. 2011) and is ruled by a ruthless dictator who has threatened to “go door to door” seeking out dissenters? Possibly the entire region needs a little oversight to allow peaceful change to occur.

    And perhaps, simpleton, you should stop with the “TeaPottyPatsy” fall back line for everyone you disagree with.

    Mr. Koppel’s concerns are legitimate, or are you going to call him a Tea Party Patsy as well. In fact, I can guarantee you that his questions were the first that came to mind of most of our intell analyst minds, that is until they were told to shut their mouths and get back to work. Can you tell me who the rebels are affinlited with? Why do we not know anything about them other than they want Mo Mo out. Why is it that this President decided to play the Humanitarian Lotto, as Ted said, and give Libiya the prize? Why has it taken him weeks to actually decide to talk to the peasants, excuse me, American People about why we are going into a THIRD WAR? Why has the message coming out of this admistration looked more like a bad skit at amature hour rather than a coherent foriegn policy. Well I can answer the last one, because they are to busy looking at the politics rather than the mission. They are trying to ride the line between stopping Mo Mo and pissing of their pacifist base. You know, like you, looking at the politics and willing to dismiss anything your guy does.

    Now, I can’t prove it since I was not posting at the time, but the moment we went into Iraq, I vented my disagreement, based on what the CIA was saying, not on my politics. I still am asking why we built an embassy compound in Iraq larger than the square millage of Vatican City. Does anyone think we are pulling out of there anytime soon?

    And if you really think that we are going to bring a peaceful change to anything in that region, then I suggest that you put the drugs down and join the real world. You answer this question truthfully, if you can. If that had been George H Bush who gave the order would you be so “understanding”. Based on your posts I think that we would both agree you would be with Joe Biden trying to impeach him. But now it is your guy, so it’s OK.

    After all, how is that whole Iraq and Afghanistan peace thing working out, (sorry to my brethren on the right.)
    Our military is not a police force, it is meant to kill the enemy and force him to his knees, cut and dry. You want cops, call the UN, better yet don’t, half of them would rape you as look at you.

    Can you actually sit there and tell me that you believe we will bring peace to a region who makes war for sport? I bet you were ready to have Bush brought up on trial for war crimes , well now it is your guy in charge and what do I hear out of you, “we are bringing peace”. Tell you what, take some classes in foreign affairs, spend eight years in intelligence and call me back when you can make an informed opinion.

  • puck30

    illusive man said:
    I would laugh at your joke if it wasn’t so painfully true.Oh what the hell, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    sarainitaly said:
    that seems pretty obvious! hahamost unpleasant sort, isn’t she? (i think it’s really rrk aka sybil)

    t y (heart)

  • puck30

    sarainitaly said:
    (i think it’s really rrk aka sybil)

    I forgot sybil……good one Sara, but I’ve always thought of King Crangle as this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adXuwZU-6lg

  • Garth

    puck30 said:
    REALLY? Well Ladies and Gentlemen the great Goof will now provide proof of these ramblings I post over at the blaze.

    Yes! The Great Goof will now backup all that he has just posted, unless his helmet is wrapped too tight on his head again.

    Question: How do you confuse Goof on a worksite?

    Answer: Lay down 3 shovels and tell him to take his pick.

    I have a cigarette butt that makes more sense than you do. You are an idiot that would have difficultly relating to navel lint.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-Glackin/100000892011713 Joseph Glackin

    Sidhekitten said:
    And perhaps, simpleton, you should stop with the “TeaPottyPatsy” fall back line for everyone you disagree with.

    Perhaps you should look down from your lofty perch and see who I was responding to. The Buffoon in question posts the exact same rant every day on almost every story he responds to. The name was person specific.
    I agree with you about the purpose if our military. It was, I believe, Gen Shinseki, who said at the start of “Iraqi Freedom” that the “purpose of the army is to kill people and break things”.
    The actions in Libya come as a result of UN declarations and NATO agreements. The operations have been turned over to NATO.
    There IS change going on in “That part of the world” RIGHT NOW!
    WE can be seen as part of it, or as against it.
    Two weeks ago Gingrich and Co. were screaming for a “no-fly” zone.
    Now they are screaming because there is one.
    That is just partisan b#llsh#t, and you know it.

    Please don’t tell us you were a part of that great oxymoron, “military intelligence”.

  • puck30

    Garth said:
    I have a cigarette butt that makes more sense than you do. You are an idiot that would have difficultly relating to navel lint.

    Well I can see Goof once again shot his little wad again. Goof where’s the proof of my…….as you say…….”completely incoherent, end of times, conspiracy theory, and generally fringe nonsense”.
    Couldn’t find it, why because your the Goof.

    But this is what I’ll do for ya next weekend Goof. I’ll post those …….”completely incoherent, end of times, conspiracy theory, and generally fringe nonsense” over at Scott Baker’s The Blaze.

    Yeah and it’s no problem, I’ll just cut and paste your posts.

    And one last thing before I go Goof, you should really stop smoking because I’ve heard it will stunt your growth and………..oh……in your case, never mind.

    Bye everybody, gotta jet.

  • Sidhekitten

    Joseph Glackin said:

    Please don’t tell us you were a part of that great oxymoron, “military intelligence”.

    Actually, I was, and proud of it. BTW, it’s not like I have ever heard that one before. Now as to why our human intelligence specialties are in such dire straits, that is a posting I gave a while ago, but as someone who was in that line of work, suffice it say that we lost to signals and satellites. Our politicians thought we could do it all with Mickey Mouse ears and Satellites, go figure.

    Politics is overruling good sense and as we have seen that never ends well, I don’t care which letter is behind the person’s name. Yet again, we have a president who wants to score points at the cost of our men and women and at the cost of those we kill. Give the military a clear objective and they will do it, our President has not done this. We are about to deploy AC-130 Gunships, that’s a beautiful ground attack weapon, (unless you are on the business end) but you don’t put it up until you rule the air, they are not that great against SAMS, so we have went from “No Fly” to “Ground Suppression” without missing a beat. What is next?

    I frankly could give two shits about what Newt is saying, what’s the mission, what’s the strategy for victory, is there a point of victory or are we going to be mired in a third war, kinetic action or whatever you want to spin it as. Our men and women are in harms way and they deserve to know why, unless this has become a dictatorship and no one gave us the news. Instead, we have been getting a different story out of each department and at least two or three different stories out of our President. We fought that war already, it was called Vietnam. But then again, that war was also more about politics than mission. We know how that one ended.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-Glackin/100000892011713 Joseph Glackin

    Sidhekitten said:
    Actually, I was, and proud of it. BTW, it’s not like I have ever heard that one before. Now as to why our human intelligence specialties are in such dire straits, that is a posting I gave a while ago, but as someone who was in that line of work, suffice it say that we lost to signals and satellites. Our politicians thought we could do it all with Mickey Mouse ears and Satellites, go figure.

    Politics is overruling good sense and as we have seen that never ends well, I don’t care which letter is behind the person’s name. Yet again, we have a president who wants to score points at the cost of our men and women and at the cost of those we kill. Give the military a clear objective and they will do it, our President has not done this. We are about to deploy AC-130 Gunships, that’s a beautiful ground attack weapon, (unless you are on the business end) but you don’t put it up until you rule the air, they are not that great against SAMS, so we have went from “No Fly” to “Ground Suppression” without missing a beat. What is next?

    I frankly could give two shits about what Newt is saying, what’s the mission, what’s the strategy for victory, is there a point of victory or are we going to be mired in a third war, kinetic action or whatever you want to spin it as. Our men and women are in harms way and they deserve to know why, unless this has become a dictatorship and no one gave us the news. Instead, we have been getting a different story out of each department and at least two or three different stories out of our President. We fought that war already, it was called Vietnam. But then again, that war was also more about politics than mission. We know how that one ended.

    There is no evidence that Obama is getting anyone killed to score political points. We have entered into treaties and alliances we are required, if our word means anything, to uphold.
    As a military personnel, I am sure you were taught to follow the chain of command, to obey lawful orders. Until he ran for President, Eisenhower never registered to vote. He felt a military man should not question or involve himself in politics.
    I hope you don’t but the right wing meme that Obama should be announcing what actions the military will take and when. We have people like Geraldo to do that.
    To date, Obama has explained our involvement through the UN and through NATO, and at the request of the Arab League and the League of African Nations.
    There is close air support going on, according to the video coming back today. There is no reporting that it is US airpower doing it.
    BTW, I’ve seen the AC130. I saw it’s grandfather, a/k/a “Puff the Magic Dragon”, on a base in NW Fla. in the 60′s. The guys flying them called them “Slow Death”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-Glackin/100000892011713 Joseph Glackin

    “I hope you don’t buy….”
    Apologies for poor proofreading.

  • Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz

    “There is no reporting that it is US airpower doing it.”

    You also believed Obama wrote his own book, too.

  • Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz

    You also believed Obama when he said that Ayers was “just someone from his neighborhood.”

  • Alz

    I think Obama wants Gadaffi out so he can get the Muslim Brothers n. The rebels have some Al Qaeda in so it’s really unclear why we are there. Plus, the humanitarian issue is suspect when you think about how other countries have much larger humanitarian issues.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-Glackin/100000892011713 Joseph Glackin

    Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz said:
    “There is no reporting that it is US airpower doing it.”

    You also believed Obama wrote his own book, too.

    I said nothing about the authorship of Obama’s book. Or Palin’s. Or W’s. Or Rove’s. Or any pols.
    If you’re going to start, where do you stop? Without proving you’re just being partisan?

  • Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz

    Are you calling Obama a liar?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-Glackin/100000892011713 Joseph Glackin

    Alz said:
    I think Obama wants Gadaffi out so he can get the Muslim Brothers n. The rebels have some Al Qaeda in so it’s really unclear why we are there. Plus, the humanitarian issue is suspect when you think about how other countries have much larger humanitarian issues.

    When the “no-fly” zone went into effect, refugees stopped fleeing from Libya to Egypt, and began returning home. That eased the burden on Egypt as they try to redefine their own country.
    And, truthfully, Alz, no one in their right mind gives a crap what you think, or that you do.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-Glackin/100000892011713 Joseph Glackin

    Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz said:
    Are you calling Obama a liar?

    I SAID NOTHING. Learn your native tongue! I don’t bite when fools dangle bait.

  • Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz

    So, you believed Obama when he said “Ayers is just someone from my neighborhood?”

    “I think Obama wants Gadaffi out so he can get the Muslim Brothers n.”

    Alz, the muslim brotherhood are already picking out carpet and curtains.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ed-Ross/1043648898 Ed Ross

    Because Qadhafi wreaked havoc on America’s political conscience.

    http://www.ewross.com/qadhafi_wreaks_havoc.htm

  • Alz

    Joseph Glackin said:
    There is no evidence that Obama is getting anyone killed to score political points. We have entered into treaties and alliances we are required, if our word means anything, to uphold.
    As a military personnel, I am sure you were taught to follow the chain of command, to obey lawful orders. Until he ran for President, Eisenhower never registered to vote. He felt a military man should not question or involve himself in politics.
    I hope you don’t but the right wing meme that Obama should be announcing what actions the military will take and when. We have people like Geraldo to do that.
    To date, Obama has explained our involvement through the UN and through NATO, and at the request of the Arab League and the League of African Nations.
    There is close air support going on, according to the video coming back today. There is no reporting that it is US airpower doing it.
    BTW, I’ve seen the AC130. I saw it’s grandfather, a/k/a “Puff the Magic Dragon”, on a base in NW Fla. in the 60’s. The guys flying them called them “Slow Death”.

    Actually, there is no evidence that Obama has a plan. Gates complained that “we’ve never done this before.” he’s referring to military operations with no planning.

    Our allies have been wondering what is going on with Obama too. Did they say “perplexed” or “puzzled”?

    Your whole line is a bunch of bs.

  • TillieGlockenspiel

    Color Me Badd said:
    Because even Mediaite has standards, they may be low standards but nonetheless they are standards. Isn’t The Blaze bulletin board missing you right about now?

    Oh, I must be CONFUSED- I didn’t know that POLITICO was a subsidiary company of The Blaze. Thanks for clearing that up.

  • cassyfa

    He voice sounds like he’s totally smashed all the time. It’s time for him to retire.
    African Mango Plus

  • More Liberty5

    No where in the US Constitution does the executive branch have the power to ignore the legislative branch simply because there is an international “consensus.” Additionally, the US Constitution does not require that the legislative branch or executive branch get international approval for anything. In the USA, the supreme law of the land is the US Constitution.

  • Sidhekitten

    Joseph Glackin said:
    As a military personnel, I am sure you were taught to follow the chain of command, to obey lawful orders. Until he ran for President, Eisenhower never registered to vote. He felt a military man should not question or involve himself in politics.

    Of course, and as a former officer I also know the “unwritten rule” that you never criticize the C in C in public, which I followed to the letter. It has only been in the past year or so that I have been “on record” in my criticisms. Anyone who thinks any of your posts go away needs to disabuse themselves of that right now. Even now, I think very carefully on what I say when it strays into questionable areas. My criticism in areas like warfare are not politically based, if Bush had pulled this stunt, I would be asking the same questions. I trust no one based on ideology, especially those who hold power. I come by my paranoia honestly, I was trained. You see, I still have friends that could find themselves in this new “Kinetic Military Action” and they could be some of those “shadow boots” on the ground, although I cannot confirm that.

    However, when an administration has to twist itself into a pretzel to avoid terms like war and military action so it can do damage control with it’s anti-war supporters, it begins to smell like politics to me. When the people who called for George Bush’s head (Joe Biden, hello, crickets chirping) are supporting this war, bullets flying and people dying its a war, then it is politics. Obama is on record saying he was opposed to the very action he authorized. Now, I can tell you the world changes when you get your first no bullshit classified briefing and until you get one of those you can afford to be naive, like the President, I no longer have that luxury. But, as he has fumbled in the past because he is a staunch ideolog, he is doing it again. While Von Clauswitch stated, “War is not an independent phenomenon, but the continuation of politics by different means.”, I am pretty sure Von expected better leadership to make that happen.

    Can you imagine the shit storm that would have exploded on the left if there was an (R) behind Obama’s.name? If he had gone to Rio as he sent in our forces and had taken ten days to talk to the American people the left would be screaming for impeachment. Hell, I bet that Spotted Al would be out screaming that Obama was a traitor and was lying to the American People and you can bet Pelosi would have started the impeachment proceeds by day three of the operation. That’s politics in America today, pathetic.

    You see, it is the hypocrisy I hate, and this callow and shallow approach to using our troops are going to get good men and women dead. Wanna bet that three months from now we will still be there? Hope I am wrong, but once battle is joined she is a hard bitch to shake.

  • Dem4Ever

    I am truly beginning to feel sorry for O-Bomb-A.

  • Sidhekitten

    Dem4Ever said:
    I am truly beginning to feel sorry for O-Bomb-A.

    I could almost feel sorry for him, and I do feel for our country. Obama is simply the logical outcome of a completely partisan philosophy. He and his advisers have set their politics above the good of the country. In fact, if his administration is in the back pocket of George Soro’s as it seems to be, then this administration is more interested in meeting his needs for an “Open Society” rather than acting in the interests of the United States, then Obama and his people may be into the “high crimes and misdemeanors” zone. That makes me sad, because he is dragging the office of the President right into the crapper, more so than Richard Nixon ever did.

    Allow me two examples. Our President and his Secretary of the Interior are currently in contempt of court over the moritium on drilling in the gulf. Salazar has told the judge to go frak himself not one, but twice. This criminal should be in a little cell with a guy named “Paul the Pounder” for contempt of court. I guarentee you if it was you or me, we would be someone’s bitch by now.

    We have lost half of our mobile rigs, the gulf oil industry is on the ropes and we are about to pay five dollars a gallon at the pump. Meanwhile we think it’s cool for the rest of the world to drill the gulf, because they are not our evil oil barons. Now I know that north eastern train riding crowd does not care about that, but watch those food prices, after all the food has got to come by diesel, not by matter transporter. Who is hit the hardest by rising gas and food prices, the poor, so much for that Democrat compassion for our poor. After all, in the minds of many in this administration, we deserve to die in squalor for our sins, as long as El Presidente and his friends are taken care of.

    But, take heart, El Presidente does believe in drilling, as long as it is Brazil who does it. We will be their best customers, really? How about our resources and our jobs. Obama’s answer: frak the peasants because we desrve to be driven to the level of a third world bananna republic. If any of you want live in a third world hut, as the old saying goes, Delta is ready when you are. Don’t drag me into your guilt ridden utopia.

    Well the internet is a bitch for those who wish to remain hidden. Guess who had major holdings in Brazil’s Government Controlled oil company, that would be George “Open Society” Sorros. When he was found out, Sorros dumped his shares fast, but do you think he is done with Petrobras, not even close. He will bide his time and then re-invest, that’s just good business sense. Do you know that several countries would love to put a bullet in this man’s head if he ever gets within their reach. Ask the British how they feel about have the Pound Sterling destroyed by this foul creature. So as much Dems screamed about Halliburton, not without cause I might add, I wonder where all of you are when this borderline megalomaniac with delusion of godhood tries to take this country down.

    And now, Media Matters has announced that they will violate their 503C status in order to actively try destroy Fox and everyone that works there They want to use terror to shut up their opposition and blackmail anyone that they can co-opt. They are political terrorists and should be dealt with accordingly. Will they be perp walked for violating their tax status, much less engaging in text book terrorism? I think a snowball in hell has a better chance. After all, William Holder record shows that he is a hard line partisan as well, in fact he may actually have his people help Media Matters do the deed. After all he did push President Clinton to pardon a whole swath of proven terrorist as Clinton went out office. Welcome to the “Chicago Way”.

    I am truly saddened that this President and his people do what they do. It seems that the fundamental transformation they want is to destroy their opposition while serving the whims of their masters. Remember it was a former administration official who thinks that the mass murdering Mao is the equivalent to Mother Terresa. Another believes that power only comes from the barrel of the gun. Nixon was a piker compared to these people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hubble/100001340708758 caconservative

    The question of whether Obimbo should have used military action in Libya is NOT the question! The question is, did this Baffin have the legal authority to make that decision. When the Secretary of State is openly saying Libya did not attack us, nor, were they going to, the door to using “imminent danger” is shut! Why the hell isn’t Congress addressing this issue, and why are they not looking into impeachment hearings?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Albert-Moore/100001333355433 Albert Moore

    You would know the answer, Koppel, if you watched Beck.

  • Alz

    caconservative said:
    The question of whether Obimbo should have used military action in Libya is NOT the question! The question is, did this Baffin have the legal authority to make that decision. When the Secretary of State is openly saying Libya did not attack us, nor, were they going to, the door to using “imminent danger” is shut! Why the hell isn’t Congress addressing this issue, and why are they not looking into impeachment hearings?

    He has the authority. Congress can stop the flow of money and do some other things. The Declaration of War is really an affirmation of support (that might trigger other actions) rather than permission.

    This is why Presidents have done things for a long, long time.

  • BOMBSHELL

    OK morons, listen up!

    GBR (whom the family lovingly refers to as “Goober-Brained Retard) put our son, BOMBSHELL JR. on a bus to Thule, Greenland. He told our boy there would be a kitten waiting for him when he got to Greenland, and you know how our son is ALWAYS asking everyone he meets to buy him a kitten.

    Well, the kid is sort of dimwitted just like his ol’ man, and so I’m stepping in until we get him back to provide moral support for my ol’ man, and you’d danged well better NOT mess with me! Just know that I am GBR’s ol’ lady, and give me the respect I demand.

    Ya gotta admit ol Qaddafi is a sexy hombre…woo!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-Glackin/100000892011713 Joseph Glackin

    Sidhekitten said:
    Of course, and as a former officer I also know the “unwritten rule” that you never criticize the C in C in public, which I followed to the letter. It has only been in the past year or so that I have been “on record” in my criticisms. Anyone who thinks any of your posts go away needs to disabuse themselves of that right now. Even now, I think very carefully on what I say when it strays into questionable areas. My criticism in areas like warfare are not politically based, if Bush had pulled this stunt, I would be asking the same questions. I trust no one based on ideology, especially those who hold power. I come by my paranoia honestly, I was trained. You see, I still have friends that could find themselves in this new “Kinetic Military Action” and they could be some of those “shadow boots” on the ground, although I cannot confirm that.

    However, when an administration has to twist itself into a pretzel to avoid terms like war and military action so it can do damage control with it’s anti-war supporters, it begins to smell like politics to me. When the people who called for George Bush’s head (Joe Biden, hello, crickets chirping) are supporting this war, bullets flying and people dying its a war, then it is politics. Obama is on record saying he was opposed to the very action he authorized. Now, I can tell you the world changes when you get your first no bullshit classified briefing and until you get one of those you can afford to be naive, like the President, I no longer have that luxury. But, as he has fumbled in the past because he is a staunch ideolog, he is doing it again. While Von Clauswitch stated, “War is not an independent phenomenon, but the continuation of politics by different means.”, I am pretty sure Von expected better leadership to make that happen.

    Can you imagine the shit storm that would have exploded on the left if there was an (R) behind Obama’s.name? If he had gone to Rio as he sent in our forces and had taken ten days to talk to the American people the left would be screaming for impeachment. Hell, I bet that Spotted Al would be out screaming that Obama was a traitor and was lying to the American People and you can bet Pelosi would have started the impeachment proceeds by day three of the operation. That’s politics in America today, pathetic.

    You see, it is the hypocrisy I hate, and this callow and shallow approach to using our troops are going to get good men and women dead. Wanna bet that three months from now we will still be there? Hope I am wrong, but once battle is joined she is a hard bitch to shake.

    I agree with much of what you’ve said. I learned the “oxymoron” joke from my father. He was Signal Corps. out of Ft. Meade, Md. if that helps you understand. I’ve distrusted the word out of DC since 1957, when my father said we were going to war in Southeast Asia, in spite of what John Foster Dulles said.
    Truman danced around the Constitution with a “Police Action”. Eisenhower played fast and loose in Lebanon, Iran, and most of Central America. Kennedy got bit with the Bay of Pigs, but had his eyes open in Viet Nam. Johnson didn’t want to lose a war, Nixon had a “secret plan”. From 1980 on, the sky was no limit.
    There are times when our nation must do something.
    There are times when we should not.
    It is up to the people we elect to make those decisions, and to us to question them and their motives.
    But we can’t have knee-jerk objection to everything a President does because we’re mad that he got elected.
    That was true about Bush, as it is about Obama.
    I think the problem in Iraq was that Bush told so many lies about why we were there that he just became a cartoon.
    The problem in Libya is that another dictator has promised to go door to door killing any one who disagrees with him. This one is driving his own people across the border into Egypt, which is having it’s own birth pains right now.
    If you can accept Granada, Panama, Beirut (and the bug-out), Desert Storm, and Somalia, then maybe you should give Obama a chance to prove this is at least as valid an exercise as those were.

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