And if anybody is an expert on what Reagan would do, it’s certainly Van Jones.

Wait… what?

ImNotBlue said:
And if anybody is an expert on what Reagan would do, it’s certainly Van Jones. Wait… what?

I’m certain that Van has heard like everyone else that David Stockton, Reagan’s chief architect of the trickle down theory of economics has now said it is a failed experiment. Reagan never thought of anything, he only read his lines.

I see Van is in desperate need of face time. Who gives a flying …… what this idiot thinks? I know I don’t care – not even a whit.

Van Jones is correct. The Democratic negotiating team (“Small number of extremists”) certainly is taking a page right of Lenin’s revolutionary tactics: ‘Negotiate, delay then Revolution’… That has been the plan all along, or, haven’t you been paying attention?

Furthermore, “The small number of extremists,” could easily, in part, the Public school teachers as well as College Professors who, somehow, have managed to ensconce themselves in positions whereby they can propagandize the youth in their care. Thus making hateful “little Eichmanns” out of them, (useful idiots) thereby hating and destroying their own Nation.

See, You didn’t realize what the former Colorado Professor, Ward Churchill was talking about? He meant the “Little Eichmans” were going to come after us, not him! (After proper brainwashing of course)

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

Ah, good old Ronnie Reagan. The Republican king who spent more money than EVERY PRESIDENT FROM WASHINGTON THROUGH CARTER COMBINED.

But give it to the guy: he had great hair.

And this is the Morons(libturds) hero! God, Seriously…How do you libturds(Morons)(Sheep) believe this shit? Seriously? I know it’s the same ole same ole “Fox news sucks and Fox news sucks…blahblahblah…” But really? Can ANYONE here that makes a penny a post, admit they either don’t really know what they’re talking about outside of for the penny post, or do you REALLY believe this shit?

purveyor said:
Furthermore, “The small number of extremists,” could easily, in part, the Public school teachers as well as College Professors who, somehow, have managed to ensconce themselves in positions whereby they can propagandize the youth in their care.

As someone who has taught at the university level, I’m here to tell you that you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. And thank god that SOMEONE is doing the work of teaching young people how to think and act in a free society, because folks like you have made a mess of doing so.

REPUBLICANS ARE

“Be sure you put your feet in the right place, then stand firm.”

Abraham Lincoln

purveyor said:
Furthermore, “The small number of extremists,” could easily, in part, the Public school teachers as well as College Professors who, somehow, have managed to ensconce themselves in positions whereby they can propagandize the youth in their care.

As someone who has taught at the university level, I’m here to tell you that you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. And thank god that SOMEONE is doing the work of teaching young people how to think and act in a free and just society, because folks like you have made a mess of doing so.

A small number of extremists? Would that include the vast majority of Americans who are not fooled by the lame excuses this administration uses to justify their lack of leadership?!! Van Jones, and Obimbo can put as much lipstick on this pigs ass (Obimbo’s budget) as they want. WE’RE NOT BUYING IT!!

AmericaSucks said:
As someone who has taught at the university level, I’m here to tell you that you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. And thank god that SOMEONE is doing the work of teaching young people how to think and act in a free society, because folks like you have made a mess of doing so.

THERE IS NO WAY you taught college level courses

Paul G said:
And this is the Morons(libturds) hero! God, Seriously…How do you libturds(Morons)(Sheep) believe this shit? Seriously? I know it’s the same ole same ole “Fox news sucks and Fox news sucks…blahblahblah…” But really? Can ANYONE here that makes a penny a post, admit they either don’t really know what they’re talking about outside of for the penny post, or do you REALLY believe this shit?

What is with your constant prattle about cents per post?

Or, to put it in words you can understand, WTF are you talking about?

purveyor said:
THERE IS NO WAY you taught college level courses

Read ‘em and weep, loser. Ivy league-educated tenured professor. Sucks to be you.

Paul G said:

And this is the Morons(libturds) hero! God, Seriously…How do you libturds(Morons)(Sheep) believe this shit? Seriously? I know it’s the same ole same ole “Fox news sucks and Fox news sucks…blahblahblah…” But really? Can ANYONE here that makes a penny a post, admit they either don’t really know what they’re talking about outside of for the penny post, or do you REALLY believe this shit?

Come on PAUL G, do I get your seal of approval today? LOL

AmericaSucks said:
Read ‘em and weep, loser. Ivy league-educated tenured professor. Sucks to be you.

lol

AmericaSucks said:
Read ‘em and weep, loser. Ivy league-educated tenured professor. Sucks to be you.

AmericaSucks said:
ead ‘em and weep, loser. Ivy league-educated tenured professor. Sucks to be you

I don’t believeyou, and I suspect nobody else does, You are vulgar, profane and unsophisticated

Van Jones is just a little bit…make that alot POed, because the Republicians are holding up his Obama Money Payday!

purveyor said:
I don’t believeyou, and I suspect nobody else does, You are vulgar, profane and unsophisticated

What you’re missing in all of this is that I’m the embodiment of the American Dream. I grew up poor, in a horrible part of town, and worked hard to get where I am today. And where I am is pretty damn far from where I started out.

But I’ve never forgotten my roots, and that’s why I remain proficient in mixing it up in the intellectual slum that is Mediaite. I’ve tried reasoned discourse here. It doesn’t work.

Conservatives ought to pay to put Van Jones on TV every day.

Of course, the Left is in a dilemma when it comes to TV coverage. They know that most Americans are adamantly opposed to their big government, tax-and-spend, pass-bills-without-reading-them agenda. So they need to do the delicate dance of taking up TV time without every actually specifying what they believe. The result is – predictably – mud-slinging, character assassination and gotcha. The MSNBC philosophy is: attack constantly so you don’t have to present your own views in any specificity.

This explains the amazing vacuity of liberal TV, which drones on for hour after hour without every honestly addressing the national debt, the economy, unemployment, the war fronts, the border, and all the other leading issues of the day. And it explains the even more amazing situation in which liberal media runs 100,000 news stories on Sarah Palin without every telling their audiences her views on these huge issues.

Wouldn’t it be amazing to see a liberal host on MSNBC who actually tackled the big issues, and brought on people with different views for dialogue and debate? Sort of like a liberal alternative to Bill O’Reilly? Don’t hold your breath. It will never happen. Liberals don’t want to debate their opponents — they merely want to silence them.

purveyor said:
Van Jones is correct. The Democratic negotiating team (“Small number of extremists”) certainly is taking a page right of Lenin’s revolutionary tactics: ‘Negotiate, delay then Revolution’… That has been the plan all along, or, haven’t you been paying attention? Furthermore, “The small number of extremists,” could easily, in part, the Public school teachers as well as College Professors who, somehow, have managed to ensconce themselves in positions whereby they can propagandize the youth in their care. Thus making hateful “little Eichmanns” out of them, (useful idiots) thereby hating and destroying their own Nation. See, You didn’t realize what the former Colorado Professor, Ward Churchill was talking about? He meant the “Little Eichmans” were going to come after us, not him! (After proper brainwashing of course) PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

You need some xanax. What a convoluted thought pattern you have. Please seek help before you go postal on someone.

purveyor said:
THERE IS NO WAY you taught college level courses

You’re right. I’ve never taught college courses; I’ve taught at universities–different beasts altogether, as anyone who had attended one might know…

ImNotBlue said:
And if anybody is an expert on what Reagan would do, it’s certainly Van Jones.

Wait… what?

not van jones, but reagan’s budget director

felixw said:
And it explains the even more amazing situation in which liberal media runs 100,000 news stories on Sarah Palin without every telling their audiences her views on these huge issues.

well, since fox news actually HIRED sarah palin, i guess fox news is liberal?

interesting thought….

AmericaSucks said:
What you’re missing in all of this is that I’m the embodiment of the American Dream. I grew up poor, in a horrible part of town, and worked hard to get where I am today. And where I am is pretty damn far from where I started out.

But I’ve never forgotten my roots, and that’s why I remain proficient in mixing it up in the intellectual slum that is Mediaite. I’ve tried reasoned discourse here. It doesn’t work.

“Histrionic Personality Disorder” (Neurosis, “Dramatic Type”)

Symptoms
1)Needs to be seen and noticed
2)Needs to be center of attention
3)Needs to display emotions openly and freely———-which Mediate fulfills, perfectly

Etc.

I take no pleasuree in writing this. However, your chronic needs have motivated such. You make the call AMERICA, as to what you do now.

Mediaite’s reporters have their noses stuck so far up the MSNBC arse they can’t help but repeat what Van Jones, the racist Marxist, has to say. Hey folks, follow the MSNBC slogan, “LEAN all the way FORWARD and spread them.”

purveyor said:
“Histrionic Personality Disorder” (Neurosis, “Dramatic Type”)

Symptoms
1)Needs to be seen and noticed
2)Needs to be center of attention
3)Needs to display emotions openly and freely———-which Mediate fulfills, perfectly

Etc.

I take no pleasuree in writing this. However, your chronic needs have motivated such. You make the call AMERICA, as to what you do now.

Yawn.

chatmandu002 said:
Mediaite’s reporters have their noses stuck so far up the MSNBC arse they can’t help but repeat what Van Jones, the racist Marxist, has to say. Hey folks, follow the MSNBC slogan, “LEAN all the way FORWARD and spread them.”

look, it’s an old white guy calling van jones a ‘marxist’

AmericaSucks said:
What you’re missing in all of this is that I’m the embodiment of the American Dream.

Right…Professor!

With your attitude and writing constraints, you seem well qualified to be working in the White House….or kitchen duty at one of the Federal Penitentiaries.

AmericaSucks said:
What is with your constant prattle about cents per post?

Or, to put it in words you can understand, WTF are you talking about?

I’ll tell u WTF I’m talking about..if you’re not even making a penny a post from MM…then you’re just a Moron. So you must be making the penny from your GH in your cubicle….YOU SUCK!…NOT AMERICA! Did I make myself clear enuf now for your pea -sized libturd moronic brain…? Rhetorical. Moron.

BatBoy said:
Right…Professor!

With your attitude and writing constraints, you seem well qualified to be working in the White House….or kitchen duty at one of the Federal Penitentiaries.

I’ll thank you to mind the way you speak to your betters.

I miss the days when Americans knew this simple principle of social discourse.

chatmandu002 said:
Mediaite’s reporters have their noses stuck so far up the MSNBC arse they can’t help but repeat what Van Jones, the racist Marxist, has to say. Hey folks, follow the MSNBC slogan, “LEAN all the way FORWARD and spread them.”

Glad to see you are watching MSNBC enough to know there slogan. Maybe, just maybe you might learn how you are being screwed by the Teadiots and Republicans. Perhaps you will come out of your coma someday before it is too late, probably not.

Paul G said:
I’ll tell u WTF I’m talking about..if you’re not even making a penny a post from MM…then you’re just a Moron. So you must be making the penny from your GH in your cubicle….YOU SUCK!…NOT AMERICA! Did I make myself clear enuf now for your pea -sized libturd moronic brain…? Rhetorical. Moron.

One of my better replys…hehehehe

Paul G said:
I’ll tell u WTF I’m talking about..if you’re not even making a penny a post from MM…then you’re just a Moron. So you must be making the penny from your GH in your cubicle….YOU SUCK!…NOT AMERICA! Did I make myself clear enuf now for your pea -sized libturd moronic brain…? Rhetorical. Moron.

We’ve been through this before, Paul; my education has rendered me unable to comprehend maladroit composition. Please have someone help you with your writing and get back to me when you can express yourself more clearly.

What this loon is saying is the commies are running out of RINO’s. NOW, so I may run out of loons, repeal the nineteenth amendment–better Yet, get Guv Rick to forget about running and let’s just get on with secession.

MSNBC is really hitting rock bottom when it has to interview an America hating communist like this guy. He was run out of the Me. Obamas’ White House because people found out that he hated this country, now MSNBC is giving him another platform for his hate filled subversion. No wonder MSNBC has an audience of twelve.

Richard Riker said:
MSNBC is really hitting rock bottom when it has to interview an America hating communist like this guy. He was run out of the Me. Obamas’ White House because people found out that he hated this country, now MSNBC is giving him another platform for his hate filled subversion. No wonder MSNBC has an audience of twelve.

As opposed to FOX, with its audience of people who have the intellectual capacity of twelve-year-olds.

Hey purveyor Ive got a little beef with ya here I think you are contradicting yourself with AmericanSucks. On one hand you criticize him because you don’t believe he is a teacher at a university, but he also embodies everything you criticize a professor at a university to be? In my opinion that must make him a professor:)

AmericaSucks said:
We’ve been through this before, Paul; my education has rendered me unable to comprehend maladroit composition. Please have someone help you with your writing and get back to me when you can express yourself more clearly.

You probably went to public school…so I understand….I’ll ‘type’ slower for you next time…HAHAHAHA! Moron.

insideguy said:
Hey purveyor Ive got a little beef with ya here I think you are contradicting yourself with AmericanSucks. On one hand you criticize him because you don’t believe he is a teacher at a university, but he also embodies everything you criticize a professor at a university to be? In my opinion that must make him a professor:)

You know, I admire your cleverness here, even though I’m the butt of your joke. Not bad.

Paul G said:
You probably went to public school…so I understand….I’ll ‘type’ slower for you next time…HAHAHAHA! Moron.

Yes, I did go to public school right through 12th grade. Something wrong with that? Then I went Ivy. I assume you approve of that.

AmericaSucks said:
Yes, I did go to public school right through 12th grade. Something wrong with that? Then I went Ivy. I assume you approve of that.

Yes..There is something wrong with that! That’s why you’re a Moron…I’d be pissed if I were you..’cuz you don’t see the errors in your ways/thinking.

insideguy said:
Hey purveyor Ive got a little beef with ya here I think you are contradicting yourself with AmericanSucks. On one hand you criticize him because you don’t believe he is a teacher at a university, but he also embodies everything you criticize a professor at a university to be? In my opinion that must make him a professor:)

POINT TAKEN!

Except for the “vulgar, profane and unsophisticated,” part, then again…

Nice to hear from you.

Wasn’t meant to make you a butt of a joke America:) I guess it could come out that way im just bagging on purveyor:)

Paul G said:
Yes..There is something wrong with that! That’s why you’re a Moron…I’d be pissed if I were you..’cuz you don’t see the errors in your ways/thinking.

I am honestly trying to find even a scintilla of rational thinking in your reply, but it’s sadly bereft of it. Indeed, I can’t recall a single post you’ve ever made that wasn’t wholly nonsensical. So with that, I think I’ll go back to ignoring you, although I’ll take a peek at what you post from time to time to see if your meds ever finally kick in.

Until they do, good day to you, mouth-breather. For the good of us all, please don’t procreate.

Ditto purveyor sorry been I have been in Costa Rica for two weeks playing with monkeys and crocs:)

insideguy said:
Wasn’t meant to make you a butt of a joke America:) I guess it could come out that way im just bagging on purveyor:)

I think you’ve actually achieved the impossible, then: got a righty and a lefty to agree on a post here. Kudos!

I do have that ability at times:)

Leftists are so hell-bent on raising taxes on the ‘rich’ that they can’t grasp the very simple fact that putting people BACK TO WORK rakes in more revenue by FAR. There are some blessed sacraments to Dim Libs: One is abortion and the other is ‘raising taxes.’

Libs are in a Napalm-like state of panic, realizing that their Pope Obamo is getting sliced and diced.

ChrisNH said:
Leftists are so hell-bent on raising taxes on the ‘rich’ that they can’t grasp the very simple fact that putting people BACK TO WORK rakes in more revenue by FAR. There are some blessed sacraments to Dim Libs: One is abortion and the other is ‘raising taxes.’

Libs are in a Napalm-like state of panic, realizing that their Pope Obamo is getting sliced and diced.

You just may have laid out the path to a renewed America: let’s tax abortions!

darladoon said:
look, it’s an old white guy calling van jones a ‘marxist’

Thats because he is. And Jones is correct, the talks are stuck because a group has hijacked the process. Your guy Obama is still a far left Liberal and all those people know is tax tax tax tax. In a failing economy, loosing jobs daily, and they believe taxing is the answer. How does anyone get to be a Congress Critter or above without learning the single most important lesson in economics. YOU Cant raise taxes when there are no jobs and no economy. Yes we are stuck, and I have a feeling we will be until 2012 when Obama and his gang are run out of Washington. In 3 years this looser has managed to dismantle the Greatest Country on Earth. If treason was ever evident, it is now. You people want more of the same, please re-elect Obama in 2012. ANd if you do I can almost gaurantee we will be speaking Chinese before 2016.

Yes ChrisNH the left is so bent on it because the tax cuts for the rich have worked out so well for our country the last 10 years. Its been nothing but peaches and cream since Bush lowered the tax rate for the highest earners in this country,look how well we’ve done!

AmericaSucks, Give up, your comments are neither witty, or intelligent. You must be one of the twelve who watch MSNBC.

Ed Durffee said:
Thats because he is. And Jones is correct, the talks are stuck because a group has hijacked the process. Your guy Obama is still a far left Liberal and all those people know is tax tax tax tax. In a failing economy, loosing jobs daily, and they believe taxing is the answer. How does anyone get to be a Congress Critter or above without learning the single most important lesson in economics. YOU Cant raise taxes when there are no jobs and no economy. Yes we are stuck, and I have a feeling we will be until 2012 when Obama and his gang are run out of Washington. In 3 years this looser has managed to dismantle the Greatest Country on Earth. If treason was ever evident, it is now. You people want more of the same, please re-elect Obama in 2012. ANd if you do I can almost gaurantee we will be speaking Chinese before 2016.

So, I’m guessing you’re in favor of not increasing the debt limit? I’m sure that’ll help us extricate ourselves from the grasp of the heathen Chinee.

AmericaSucks said:
Yes, I did go to public school right through 12th grade. Something wrong with that? Then I went Ivy. I assume you approve of that.

I went to public schools…in the 60′s and 70′s…I don’t remember being ‘indoctrinated’ though..I lgrew up in a ‘small’ village ‘ outside Chicago…7000 ppl back then. Roselle. Even though (as I Look back at it now) My ‘social studys’ teacher was prob a lib…..he still teached…You? If you REALLY are a prof..YOU prob are teaching with an agenda……My Brother is a Dean at a major Univ..He’s a libturd….But he’s starting to (finally) seeing the errors in his ways…..

Those of you that take Mr. Jones seriously are most certainly entitled to your opinion as you live (for now) in a free country. The irony that inevitably escapes you clowns is, if you win, if communism succeeds as Mr. Jones so vehemently pushes, all you morons will have to get used to a completely different way of life, do you even realize that? Do you have any idea what life is really like in a communist country?

I don’t think you do, I think you just talk a big game cuz the Che t-shirts are cool.

ChrisNH said:
Leftists are so hell-bent on raising taxes on the ‘rich’ that they can’t grasp the very simple fact that putting people BACK TO WORK rakes in more revenue by FAR. There are some blessed sacraments to Dim Libs: One is abortion and the other is ‘raising taxes.’ Libs are in a Napalm-like state of panic, realizing that their Pope Obamo is getting sliced and diced.

You idiot… the Republican Congress has not even put into motion one bill that would help create jobs. How stupid can you be to be backing these lame brains.

timzank said:
Those of you that take Mr. Jones seriously are most certainly entitled to your opinion as you live (for now) in a free country. The irony that inevitably escapes you clowns is, if you win, if communism succeeds as Mr. Jones so vehemently pushes, all you morons will have to get used to a completely different way of life, do you even realize that? Do you have any idea what life is really like in a communist country?

I don’t think you do, I think you just talk a big game cuz the Che t-shirts are cool.

Good post…But either they don’t care or get it.

Republicans Are Liars said:
You idiot… the Republican Congress has not even put into motion one bill that would help create jobs. How stupid can you be to be backing these lame brains.

give us a brief of the bill you would write

Republican Are Liars, ChrisNH comment is short, you should actually read it before you comment because it answers your silly uninformed comment.

AmericaSucks said:
my education has rendered me unable to comprehend

That comes through loud and clear!

Paul G said:
I went to public schools…in the 60’s and 70’s…I don’t remember being ‘indoctrinated’ though..I lgrew up in a ’small’ village ‘ outside Chicago…7000 ppl back then. Roselle. Even though (as I Look back at it now) My ’social studys’ teacher was prob a lib…..he still teached…You? If you REALLY are a prof..YOU prob are teaching with an agenda……My Brother is a Dean at a major Univ..He’s a libturd….But he’s starting to (finally) seeing the errors in his ways…..

Well, my discipline isn’t one that’s overly susceptible to being taught according to a particular agenda. I have work to do and I leave my politics at the door. My students are expected to do the same.

BatBoy said:
That comes through loud and clear!

Ah, you’ve learned your Fox News editing skills well, little grasshopper.

Republicans Are Liars said:
You idiot… the Republican Congress has not even put into motion one bill that would help create jobs. How stupid can you be to be backing these lame brains.

This goofball is either unhinged or just ignorant .

He chooses the contentious name that he did to do nothing but insult anyone who’s not a liberal .

Total waste of time .

INSIDEGUY,

I find nothing, absolutely nothing endearing with an individual who uses the nom de plume, “AMERICA SUCKS” and a photo of the American flag, upside down. (international signal of distress)

The first time encountered him, I told him so and since have had nothing to do with him.

Today, AMERICA chose to engage me, not I, him. In the ensuing Posts I did not care what he wrote until he claimed to be a “University” Level Teacher.

I then told him I did not believe him. (He lied)

AMERICA, then, continued on…

I then told him he was suffering from a “Histrionic Personality Disorder.” I did NOT say that as ad hominem, or pejorative. Therefore, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt due to mental illness. (truthfully) Regardless, I am still offended every time I see his presence in a thread.

Purveyor

Van Jones has his momma out lobbying for some Obama Money!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOZ-Etb0k0Q

Here is Van’s cousin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Vk5Ph_cuY – who is no longer welcome to the Thanksgiving Dinner table.

Honestly people I have kinda given up hope of a compromise here. The only way to lower this deficit is to raise taxes(or at least get rid of some loopholes) and cut spending. Neither side wants to cave.. Now I don’t think they are dumb and probably deep down inside they want to do this, but they are so politically motivated that they cant bring themselves to compromise in any way. If they do they see it as a political suicide. This is where the problem is and I really don’t see a lot of hope that things will change.

purveyor said:
INSIDEGUY,

I find nothing, absolutely nothing endearing with an individual who uses the nom de plume, “AMERICA SUCKS” and a photo of the American flag, upside down. (international signal of distress)

The first time encountered him, I told him so and since have had nothing to do with him.

I am still offended every time I see his presence in a thread.

Purveyor

To quote on of your heroes, “Mission Accomplished.”

Richard Riker said:
AmericaSucks, Give up, your comments are neither witty, or intelligent. You must be one of the twelve who watch MSNBC.

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AmericaSucks said:
Ah, you’ve learned your Fox News editing skills well, little grasshopper.

Fox new again? You do make the penny a post!. I apologize about the GH comment…..not really, but I would think about it twice that you make more from your ‘penny a posts ‘than your GH…..just sayin’

INSIDEGUY,

I was always the kid in school that brought cool things to show and tell. Snakes, lizards, arrowheads, etc.

Two years ago, I moved from Colorado to Mississippi. I love to put on my jungle gear (Matterhorn, Goretex combat boots, butt pack, K-Bar, canteen) and go snake hunting.

I let them go of course.

Anyway, Costa Rica would be a wonderful time for an amateur herpetologist.

My favorite pet when I was a kid was a Hog Nosed Snake. I haven’t found one down here yet, but Ive caught some monster King and Rat Snakes. Lots of Water Snakes, Moccasins

I was in the Yucatan for a while and they these 6 foot plus, Orange and Green Iguanas, that were meaner than snakes!

Republicans Are Liars said:
You idiot… the Republican Congress has not even put into motion one bill that would help create jobs. How stupid can you be to be backing these lame brains.

I don’t know what you claim to be a professor of, but it sure as hell ain’t economics or government. What sort of “bill” or legislation creates jobs? You propose what? Something like this?

House Resoultion #1: Be it passed today the Federal government will hire 5 million unemployed persons to dig hole “A”. Be it further acknowledged the Federal government will immediately afterward hire the other 5 million unemployed persons to fill aforementioned hole. Be it further acknowledged and law this will continue indefinitely by order of the congress 2011…

Government doesn’t create real jobs ya flippin’ moron, businesses do. So if government continues to strangle the businesses where will the jobs come from? The Democrat Unicorn Job Factory???

Gawd you people are sooooooo stupid it is tragic.

The Lantern of Truth said:
I’m a goofball who is either unhinged or just ignorant .

I’m a total waste of time .

Yea purveyor no problem but my opinion on AmericaSucks is that it is his right to free speech. I don’t think he hates this country I think he wishes it were better. And when I say better I mean from his point of view not mine. Its his way of expressing this. I don’t think he’s going to go out and blow up something because he feels america has a lot of things it needs to work on. Its like Bob Dylan singing a protest song. Bob may be pointing out what he feels is an injustice in this country but it does not mean he does not enjoy it, it just means he will fight to change it.

AmericaSucks said:
To quote on of your heroes, “Mission Accomplished.”

To ‘quote’ your hero….. “unemployment will be 8%”….Okay ‘Sucks”…It’s been fun…but I’ve had my fun with you…..But again, You’ve proven yourself to be a Moron. I’m gonna lay out by the pool and have a beer…and let you libturds here fight a fight that you can’t/won’t win.

Oh purveyor you would love Costa Rica then. It has more species per land area than any place in the world. It is actually amazing its like walking through a Zoo except without cages!

And sorry for speaking for ya Americasucks

Paul G said:
To ‘quote’ your hero….. “unemployment will be 8%”….Okay ‘Sucks”…It’s been fun…but I’ve had my fun with you…..But again, You’ve proven yourself to be a Moron. I’m gonna lay out by the pool and have a beer…and let you libturds here fight a fight that you can’t/won’t win.

Have a good afternoon. I’ll wave a shiny metal object in your direction when I want you to come back and play.

Paul G said:
To ‘quote’ your hero….. “unemployment will be 8%”….Okay ‘Sucks”…It’s been fun…but I’ve had my fun with you…..But again, You’ve proven yourself to be a Moron. I’m gonna lay out by the pool and have a beer…and let you libturds here fight a fight that you can’t/won’t win.

Oh! But one last thing…..How’s Libya and Yemen working out for you?…..That’s what I thought….nothing to see here…God I hate libturds…

Republicans Are Liars:

Ya know, if you’d add Democrats to your handle, “Republicans And Democrats Are Liars”, you’d be a bit more believable. Don’t forget, Regan is not the only one who only reads lines.

Maybe that’s because Jones is an extremist and can’t have a rational mind when it comes to anything? We have a problem with radicals sizing themselves up as centrists. There does need to be some compromise that results in increased revenue, and less spending. Both parties need to stop playing politics and address real issues facing the country in a reasonable manor. But spending ourselves irrationally into a hole isn’t going to do that; though its what Van Jones wants. For someone who operates out of an ideology how can he scold others for doing the same?

Frances Martel, why would you not say anything in your article about the fact Van Jones described himself as a “communist radical”?

Because Voice of Reason both sides do it. The extremist are the ones who get on TV this is why I say nothing will get done. Van Jones is really left wing yup. So he’s going after the really right wing guys and criticizing them. Where are the normal people who actually want to solve this thing? Do they even exist? All I hear is the left saying we need a 10 trillion dollar stimulus! Or the right saying noooooo we need to cut taxes even more! This is utter bullshit and playing to their political bases it does not solve the problem. Its actually disturbing.

Wow. Look at all the hate on this site. The white man’s biggest fear is an EDUCATED black man. Why they will laugh at the foolery of a Flavor Flav, they shake in the boots that this descendant of a “slave” has the guts to talk down on the descendants of slave masters with such eloquent sincerity and fearless accuracy

Dronetek Bulk Vanderhuge said:
Frances Martel, why would you not say anything in your article about the fact Van Jones described himself as a “communist radical”?

He might also refer to himself as having been a 15-year-old, or 4 feet tall, or as eating a ham sandwich. None of which would mean that he is/doing those things at the present moment.

Van Jones hit the nail on the head here. This is so sad and so true. Between all these republican politicians who are owned lock stock and barrel by rich wealthy corporate and special interest and these stupid nut sucking teabaggers who don’t realize that they are now owned by the Koch brothers, they have all collectively hijacked the entire process of fixing this nation. And the real winners here are…..rich wealthy corporate and special interests and the robber barons who own the GOP. The republican robber barons of this country win no matter what happens with this nation’s economy but they certainly feel like they have something lose if there is ever any sense of fairness in taxation in this country. These teabaggers and GOP extremists who have absolutely no real true faithfulness to the US Constitution need to all be deported to their own little island of alternate reality where they can be subject to the ideological crap they spew (which truly does not even exist) and they need to stay there so those of us who are based and founded in reality can get on with fixing this nation.

Van Jones: Budget Talks Are Stuck Because ‘A Small Number Of Extremists Hijacked The Base’

I agree…the far Left HAS hijacked their base!

Dem4Ever said:
Van Jones: Budget Talks Are Stuck Because ‘A Small Number Of Extremists Hijacked The Base’

I agree…the far Left HAS hijacked their base!

You’re late to the dance on this particular unoriginal reply. A bunch of folks have used it already.

minorityreport said:
Wow. Look at all the hate on this site. The white man’s biggest fear is an EDUCATED black man.

Wrong! Our biggest fear is a freakin’ COMMIE. Since you are so obsessed with black men I am going to assume you will be voting for Herman Cain should he win the nomination? If not, why? Do you hate educated successful black men or do you hate his politics?

minorityreport said:
Wow. Look at all the hate on this site. The white man’s biggest fear is an EDUCATED black man. Why they will laugh at the foolery of a Flavor Flav, they shake in the boots that this descendant of a “slave” has the guts to talk down on the descendants of slave masters with such eloquent sincerity and fearless accuracy

Really? Then could you explain my contribution to Herman Cain and my deep respect for Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams?

Van Jones is a maggot and the only racist here is in your mirror.

minorityreport said:
Wow. Look at all the hate on this site. The white man’s biggest fear is an EDUCATED black man. Why they will laugh at the foolery of a Flavor Flav, they shake in the boots that this descendant of a “slave” has the guts to talk down on the descendants of slave masters with such eloquent sincerity and fearless accuracy

BTW, when did he talk down to Obama?

2012freedom said:
Wrong! Our biggest fear is a freakin’ COMMIE. Since you are so obsessed with black men I am going to assume you will be voting for Herman Cain should he win the nomination? If not, why? Do you hate educated successful black men or do you hate his politics?

He doesn’t hate “educated successful black men” ..He was only taught to hate REPUBLICAN “educated successful black men” …
But as a side note…AmericaSucks prob loves even purple guys..Sry..I even know that was bad. But….Butt…

Van Jones signs a Truther pledge and loses his job.

Michelle Bachmann signs a “slavery is peachy” pledge and runs for president.

Whatta country!!!

BFD said:
Van Jones signs a Truther pledge and loses his job.

Michelle Bachmann signs a “slavery is peachy” pledge and runs for president.

Whatta country!!!

Why did he lose his job? We were not told.

I find it strange that Jones will call the Republicans “Extremists” but fail to see that his political philosophy is famous around the world for it’s reputation being thuggish and murderous. I’d bet Van Jones is quivering with anger over being fired from the White House. That fact he can no longer us the White House’s resources to satisfy his communist urges to “disappear” the republicans or anybody else with a dissenting opinion has driven him mad.

‘A Small Number Of Extremists Hijacked The Base’ according to left-wing fool Van Jones. LMFAO Van! Ignoranance is never more on display when clowns like this open their mouths.

Ex. ‘A Small Number Of Extremists Hijacked The Base’. Van have you ever heard of Al Qaeda? aka The Base.

He can’t be this f’ck’n stupid or can he?

What’s great about Van Jones and his ilk are they are their own worst enemy. They open their mouths. LMFAO! heheheheheheheheheheheheheheh!

BFD said:
Van Jones signs a Truther pledge and loses his job. Michelle Bachmann signs a “slavery is peachy” pledge and runs for president. Whatta country!!!

i thought he quit

Paul G said:
He doesn’t hate “educated successful black men” ..He was only taught to hate REPUBLICAN “educated successful black men” …
But as a side note…AmericaSucks prob loves even purple guys..Sry..I even know that was bad. But….Butt…

Purple guys, no. Pink guys, you betcha.

Which reminds me to ask: Who is that character in your avatar? Seems very familiar but I can’t for the life of me remember where I’ve seen him (it?).

“The only people who should be qualified to serve in our country at any level– at the dog catcher level”

This guy is a stinkin’ punk.

31476 Los Rios St.
San Juan Capistrano

C’mon down asswhipe. I’m waitin’

MrTPar_taY said:
“The only people who should be qualified to serve in our country at any level– at the dog catcher level”

This guy is a stinkin’ punk.

31476 Los Rios St.
San Juan Capistrano

C’mon down asswhipe. I’m waitin’

Eeek! An Internet tough guy! Hide the women and children!

Pablo said:
Why did he lose his job? We were not told.

Because he was a self-avowed Commie in addition to being a truther. It didn’t help that he gave speeches on how horrible white people are either.

2012freedom said:
Because he was a self-avowed Commie in addition to being a truther. It didn’t help that he gave speeches on how horrible white people are either.

Yawn. Is it too much to ask that you invent some new lies occasionally?

minorityreport:

Hate, or the perspicacious understanding of Black Liberation Theology, and the inherent mental and cultural depravity that kind of corrupt mentality brings, and passes to the next generation. It’s not hate your reading, it’s the sad understanding that this mentality continues to dig it’s own ditch. Van Jones, and a host of other race-baiter’s are trying their very best to keep you thinking that the yoke of slavery still hangs on your neck. That’s how they make their living, and if you look at Mr.Jones, if appears he’s making a darn good living at it.

AmericaSucks said:
Purple guys, no. Pink guys, you betcha.

Which reminds me to ask: Who is that character in your avatar? Seems very familiar but I can’t for the life of me remember where I’ve seen him (it?).

‘Quisp’….

AmericaSucks said:
You’re late to the dance on this particular unoriginal reply. A bunch of folks have used it already.

It needs repeating…

Van Jones: Budget Talks Are Stuck Because ‘A Small Number Of Extremists Hijacked The Base’

I agree…the far Left HAS hijacked their base!

AmericaSucks said:
Eeek! An Internet tough guy! Hide the women and children!

Looky heeere DemoKKKrat. It’s where I live! I’ll have cameras and an internet feed waitin’ for ya’.

Laughin’ now coward? I am. LMFAO bring it! heheheheheheheheheheheh

AmericaSucks said:
Yawn. Is it too much to ask that you invent some new lies occasionally?

Well then, maybe you will believe Van Jones himself on being a Commie if you don’t belive me when I tell you he is.

“I met all these young radical people of color — I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of.’ I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary. I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th. By August, I was a communist ~ Van Jones

insideguy said:
Yea purveyor no problem but my opinion on AmericaSucks is that it is his right to free speech. I don’t think he hates this country I think he wishes it were better. And when I say better I mean from his point of view not mine. Its his way of expressing this. I don’t think he’s going to go out and blow up something because he feels america has a lot of things it needs to work on. Its like Bob Dylan singing a protest song. Bob may be pointing out what he feels is an injustice in this country but it does not mean he does not enjoy it, it just means he will fight to change it.

INSIDEGUY,

Texas v Johnson, 1989, Flag Burning Case. Very controversial. Try discussing it in a VFW club! Would be like wearing an AMERICA SUCKS T shirt.

Even though I find the action of flag burning putrid, I supported the Courts decision. The problem is, though, with using “symbolic speech” as Justice Brennan called it, is that your message (if there is one) is lost in the controversy of one’s chosen method of speech.

The point of speech should be to inform or persuade others to the superiority of your position. Burning the Flag, or having “AMERICA SUCKS” as a sobriquet, neither advances or detracts a particular message. On the contrary, AMERICA SUCKS, or, Flag Burning, simply offends and conveys no message, other than to offend.

Furthermore, the case Chaplinsky v New Hampshire, limited speech by establishing the “Fighting Words Doctrine.” The, State may proscribe speech as that speech is likely to case immediate violence.

As a Police Officer, you must be familiar with with these cases, at least, en passant?

By the way Johnson, in Texas v. Johnson was defended by the Leftist Attorney William Kunstler, who made a career out of representing tape worms. Also, Johnson’s favorite clothing du jour, was a Che Guevara t-shirt.

God Bless America!

“Great spirits have always encountered opposition, from mediocre minds.”

Albert Einstein

AmericaSucks said:
Eeek! An Internet tough guy! Hide the women and children!

Sounds like America Sucks would like to be the pivot point in a MrTPar_taY/Van Jones sandwich. I know you like to suck!

insideguy said:
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Because Voice of Reason both sides do it. The extremist are the ones who get on TV this is why I say nothing will get done. Van Jones is really left wing yup. So he’s going after the really right wing guys and criticizing them. Where are the normal people who actually want to solve this thing? Do they even exist? All I hear is the left saying we need a 10 trillion dollar stimulus! Or the right saying noooooo we need to cut taxes even more! This is utter bullshit and playing to their political bases it does not solve the problem. Its actually disturbing.

What we need is greater deference to “the several States.” However, before that can be achieved, America needs to reaffirm whether or not we are the progeny of Jefferson or Marx?

I ask you, honestly who are todays Democrats more influences by: The Founding Fathers, or, Karl Marx and Felix Engels? Particularly Our President…

MrTPar_taY said:
Looky heeere DemoKKKrat. It’s where I live! I’ll have cameras and an internet feed waitin’ for ya’.

Laughin’ now coward? I am. LMFAO bring it! heheheheheheheheheheheh

I find it undignified to rough a guy up outside his homeless shelter.

purveyor said:
I don’t believeyou, and I suspect nobody else does, You are vulgar, profane and unsophisticated

Oh, I believe him. Just like I believed him when he was writing under the user name “The Real Royal King” and he said he was a lawyer who had been a JAG officer. I can only recall these two user names that he has used but I’m sure there are many others.

AmericaSucks said:
You’re right. I’ve never taught college courses; I’ve taught at universities–different beasts altogether, as anyone who had attended one might know…</blockquote

Very interesting. A university is made up of different colleges and schools. Such as Columbia University which is made up of Columbi College, the School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, and others. Yet you say you taught at a University and not a college. My son's Godfather is a retired, tenured professor at UCONN and yet he taught at a college. All of the people I know who teach or have taught have taught at a college. Not one of them has ever made a statement like the one you made. Interesting. Care to explain?

AmericaSucks said:
I find it undignified to rough a guy up outside his homeless shelter.

OH YOU’RE SO RACIST1

Your president says homeless shelters are very dignified SO THERE!

I guess you’re a DemoKKKrat! LMFAO-I’ll be waitin’ for ‘ya! PUNK! heheheheheheheheheheheheh!

RichS said:
Oh, I believe him. Just like I believed him when he was writing under the user name “The Real Royal King” and he said he was a lawyer who had been a JAG officer. I can only recall these two user names that he has used but I’m sure there are many others.

REALLY? Is that true?

If it is then my admonition about mental illness has merit. If that is true, then my ethics make certain requirements of me. Thats almost Multiple personality?

9/11 truther, commie, socliaist, liberal elite snot is blaming the republicans and LOD isgiving him verbal bj’s onthe air nodoubt.

Boring.

Your right purveyor but I just opened my paper this morning and this is what I read House approves 17 billion increase in defense spending. They just approved a 649 Billion dollar defense bill, only 12 republicans and 75 democrats opposed it. This is insane. All I read about is how we need to cut this deficit and cut spending then they house(which is full of tea party guys) goes and does this? It makes no freaking sense. They are not serious about cutting spending they just aren’t.

AmericaSucks said:
I find it undignified to rough a guy up outside his homeless shelter.

Your father was so lucky being married to Linda Lovelace, what was she like as your mother?

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SNAPTIE said:
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OooooggggghhhhhhhRraaaagggghhhhh! SEMPER FI!

purveyor said:
REALLY? Is that true? If it is then my admonition about mental illness has merit. If that is true, then my ethics make certain requirements of me. Thats almost Multiple personality?

Is it true, I think so. Can I prove it in court, nope.

America needs Sarah Palin as president more than ever. If you hear her talking about freedom and job-creators you know that she has the dedication and commitment towards setting things right in the country. God lbess Sarah Palin. And God bless America.

WillP said:
America needs Sarah Palin as president more than ever. If you hear her talking about freedom and job-creators you know that she has the dedication and commitment towards setting things right in the country. God lbess Sarah Palin. And God bless America.

You need to fnd another country…

WillP said:
America needs Sarah Palin as president more than ever. If you hear her talking about freedom and job-creators you know that she has the dedication and commitment towards setting things right in the country. God lbess Sarah Palin. And God bless America.

this has to be sarcasm

timzank said:
I don’t know what you claim to be a professor of, but it sure as hell ain’t economics or government. What sort of “bill” or legislation creates jobs? You propose what? Something like this? House Resoultion #1: Be it passed today the Federal government will hire 5 million unemployed persons to dig hole “A”. Be it further acknowledged the Federal government will immediately afterward hire the other 5 million unemployed persons to fill aforementioned hole. Be it further acknowledged and law this will continue indefinitely by order of the congress 2011… Government doesn’t create real jobs ya flippin’ moron, businesses do. So if government continues to strangle the businesses where will the jobs come from? The Democrat Unicorn Job Factory??? Gawd you people are sooooooo stupid it is tragic.

What a F’ing idiot you are. Your stupid Republican congress people have asked countless times where are the jobs and now they are in command they can’t come up with anything. You can rest your unapologetic white ass that if Obama hadn’t spent the money he did we would be in the true shitter of all times. You want t know what needs to be done? We need to spend another 800 billion dollar on infrastructure, renewable energy and high speed rail to get the number of jobs going again. At the same time close every tax loophole for big business, raise the top tax level to 50%, make the banking industry the way it was 20 years ago and the media industry. But you idiots don’t even know how Michael Powell screwed everyone in the country when he was chairman of the FCC. You people disgust me. You need to be in breadlines selling apples for a nickle then you will realize you put your trust in the wrong people. HA HA HA…

Republicans Are Liars said:
What a F’ing idiot you are. Your stupid Republican congress people have asked countless times where are the jobs and now they are in command they can’t come up with anything. You can rest your unapologetic white ass that if Obama hadn’t spent the money he did we would be in the true shitter of all times. You want t know what needs to be done? We need to spend another 800 billion dollar on infrastructure, renewable energy and high speed rail to get the number of jobs going again. At the same time close every tax loophole for big business, raise the top tax level to 50%, make the banking industry the way it was 20 years ago and the media industry. But you idiots don’t even know how Michael Powell screwed everyone in the country when he was chairman of the FCC. You people disgust me. You need to be in breadlines selling apples for a nickle then you will realize you put your trust in the wrong people. HA HA HA…

Take some kaopectate and then a thorough dose of STFU. I heard something crawled out of Olber-Turds’ ass the other day, must be you!

SNAPTIE said:
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hehehee…But why did he ‘quit? The libturds say Palin quit….But yet they ‘stick up’ for this POS?….Interesting…Very interesting…But I’m sure we’ll here now (for the penny)the difference…

‘A Small Number Of Extremists Hijacked The Base’

Isn’t that what happened to the Democratic Party ?

RichS said:Very interesting. A university is made up of different colleges and schools. Such as Columbia University which is made up of Columbi College, the School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, and others. Yet you say you taught at a University and not a college. My son’s Godfather is a retired, tenured professor at UCONN and yet he taught at a college. All of the people I know who teach or have taught have taught at a college. Not one of them has ever made a statement like the one you made. Interesting. Care to explain?

Sure, I’m happy to explain this to you.

First off, you’re only half right that universities are made up of colleges. Some schools call them “colleges” and some call them “faculties” (e.g., faculty of arts and sciences vs. college of arts and sciences or college of medicine vs. faculty of medicine). As it happens, the university I currently teach in does have colleges rather than faculties. But the terms are interchangeable. Indeed, “college” and “university” are also interchangeable terms in the USA, although when speaking about them in specific terms, scholarly tradition distinguishes between them: a “college” is an institution one attends to learn a trade, whereas a university is an institution one attends to do intellectual labor.

Second, it is true that I have never taught AT a college, although I have taught IN one. This is because, idiomatically speaking, one teaches AT a college when that term is used to refer to the entire educational entity (e.g., So-and-so teaches at a liberal arts college); however, one teaches IN a college when said college is part of a larger university structure (e.g., I teach in the College of Medicine at the University of X).

Third, and in other words, your son’s godfather taught IN a college, not at one.

Fourth, I give you partial credit for having tried hard, but you come up short of a passing grade. See you next semester.

Fifth, I’ll provide a link to a definition of “idiom” to help you out with what I say in point 2: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/idiomatically

This concludes today’s lesson. Please remember to sign the attendance ledger on your way out the door.

Toodles,

Your friendly neighborhood intellectual superior

RichS said:
Is it true, I think so. Can I prove it in court, nope.

Sorry, it’s not true. But I must say that I admire his handiwork at times. Not acerbic enough for my liking, though.

purveyor said:
INSIDEGUY,

Texas v Johnson, 1989, Flag Burning Case. Very controversial. Try discussing it in a VFW club! Would be like wearing an AMERICA SUCKS T shirt.

Even though I find the action of flag burning putrid, I supported the Courts decision. The problem is, though, with using “symbolic speech” as Justice Brennan called it, is that your message (if there is one) is lost in the controversy of one’s chosen method of speech.

The point of speech should be to inform or persuade others to the superiority of your position. Burning the Flag, or having “AMERICA SUCKS” as a sobriquet, neither advances or detracts a particular message. On the contrary, AMERICA SUCKS, or, Flag Burning, simply offends and conveys no message, other than to offend.

Furthermore, the case Chaplinsky v New Hampshire, limited speech by establishing the “Fighting Words Doctrine.” The, State may proscribe speech as that speech is likely to case immediate violence.

As a Police Officer, you must be familiar with with these cases, at least, en passant?

By the way Johnson, in Texas v. Johnson was defended by the Leftist Attorney William Kunstler, who made a career out of representing tape worms. Also, Johnson’s favorite clothing du jour, was a Che Guevara t-shirt.

God Bless America!

“Great spirits have always encountered opposition, from mediocre minds.”

Albert Einstein

I wonder if Purveyor knows the context for that great quotation from Einstein.

He said it about Bertrand Russell, when Russell was being hounded out of the Math department at City College of New York because his students’ parents got wind of his “freethinking” ways.

Thank you, Purveyor, for chiming in to support one of the greatest lefties of all time. I didn’t think you had it in you.

This is the kind of thing that those of us who work for intellectual freedom in the University tend to know, right RichS? (Ask your son’s godfather. He’ll be able to tell you about it.)

MrTPar_taY said:
Take some kaopectate and then a thorough dose of STFU. I heard something crawled out of Olber-Turds’ ass the other day, must be you!

Another brilliant quote from the intellect of the TeaBaggers. You want the country back the way it used to be. Raise the top tax bracket to 90% Spend billions of dollars on research and intrastructure and have idiots like yourself go stand in the corner and speak when you are spoken to. (Nice to see your watching Keith. Maybe you will learn something someday… Nah, I doubt it.)

VanJones is a 9/11 Truther… Nuff said.

Republicans Are Liars said:
Another brilliant quote from the intellect of the TeaBaggers. You want the country back the way it used to be. Raise the top tax bracket to 90% Spend billions of dollars on research and intrastructure and have idiots like yourself go stand in the corner and speak when you are spoken to. (Nice to see your watching Keith. Maybe you will learn something someday… Nah, I doubt it.)

That needy-ness thing you got goin’. Does this have something to do with your old man leaving never to return when he saw what your momma’d deliver on your day of birth. Somebody get ‘Turd Blossom here a tissue. LMFAO! heheheheheheheheheh!

MrTPar_taY said:
That needy-ness thing you got goin’. Does this have something to do with your old man leaving never to return when he saw what your momma’d deliver on your day of birth. Somebody get ‘Turd Blossom here a tissue. LMFAO! heheheheheheheheheh!

Wow, you’re really incapable of anything other than 8th-grade “burns.” I assume you have a joke book to that effect by your side? Next to your Holy Bible, no doubt?

Gettin’ under your skin and diseased ‘Crupts just like you is my patriotic duty! LMFAO!

insideguy said:

Your right purveyor but I just opened my paper this morning and this is what I read House approves 17 billion increase in defense spending. They just approved a 649 Billion dollar defense bill, only 12 republicans and 75 democrats opposed it. This is insane. All I read about is how we need to cut this deficit and cut spending then they house(which is full of tea party guys) goes and does this? It makes no freaking sense. They are not serious about cutting spending they just aren’t.

I will concede the point. (with some reservations, as defence is so important given our “enemies list”) Ouch

You and I have discussed Neutral Principle? This would be a perfect place to practice such? In other words, the Conservatives must put the money where their mouth is?

purveyor said:
I will concede the point. (with some reservations, as defence is so important given our “enemies list”) Ouch

You and I have discussed Neutral Principle? This would be a perfect place to practice such? In other words, the Conservatives must put the money where their mouth is?

Hey, pal o’ mine. Just curious. Did you know that bit of context for the Einstein quotation? You didn’t reply….

MrTPar_taY said:
Gettin’ under your skin and diseased ‘Crupts just like you is my patriotic duty! LMFAO!

In English, please. Even Spanish or French would do. I can also do German in a pinch.

No man is so foolish as to desire war over peace.

For in peace, Son’s bury their fathers.

But in War, Father’s bury their sons.

Herodotus

Van Jones is a Communist. The conversation should end there.

MrTPar_taY said:
That needy-ness thing you got goin’. Does this have something to do with your old man leaving never to return when he saw what your momma’d deliver on your day of birth. Somebody get ‘Turd Blossom here a tissue. LMFAO! heheheheheheheheheh!

Hey moron, here is how you spell neediness. The next word is “You’re.” The next two words are “White Trash.”
Please just concentrate on the words in parenthesis. DO YOU KNOW WHAT PARENTHESIS ARE? I’m trying to go real slow for you so you can follow along. I truly love you are able to articulate the Tea Party Mentality in such forceful and delightful way. You are leting everyone here know why anyone with any sense thinks the whole movement is full of crack pot You are a real man. You have lot’s to be proud of. Now go get in your 89 Plymouth Duster and go home and smoke your meth.

Chris Jones said:
Van Jones is a Communist. The conversation should end there.

You don’t even know what a communist is.

Republicans Are Liars said:
You don’t even know what a communist is.

van jones said it

Chris Jones says:

“Van Jones is a Communist. The conversation should end there.”

I knew some gullible Beckerhead would be on this story board repeating Beck’s big lie about Van Jones.

Van Jones WAS a Communist, just like Glenn Beck WAS a drunk. People change. Van Jones has changed, but Beck doesn’t convey that because GLENN BECK IS A LIAR!

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/12/glenn-beck-is-still-smearing-van-jones.html

GlennBeckReview said:
Chris Jones says: “Van Jones is a Communist. The conversation should end there.” I knew some gullible Beckerhead would be on this story board repeating Beck’s big lie about Van Jones. Van Jones WAS a Communist, just like Glenn Beck WAS a drunk. People change. Van Jones has changed, but Beck doesn’t convey that because GLENN BECK IS A LIAR! http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/12/glenn-beck-is-still-smearing-van-jones.html

van jones is lying too, i know your lefty leaning makes you believe on certain people lie

only certain people

AmericaSucks said:
I am honestly trying to find even a scintilla of rational thinking in your reply, but it’s sadly bereft of it. Indeed, I can’t recall a single post you’ve ever made that wasn’t wholly nonsensical. So with that, I think I’ll go back to ignoring you, although I’ll take a peek at what you post from time to time to see if your meds ever finally kick in.

Until they do, good day to you, mouth-breather. For the good of us all, please don’t procreate.

mouth-breather? ….I’m not the one with the word “sucks’ in her name name…

Republicans Are Liars said:
Hey moron, here is how you spell neediness. The next word is “You’re.” The next two words are “White Trash.”
Please just concentrate on the words in parenthesis. DO YOU KNOW WHAT PARENTHESIS ARE? I’m trying to go real slow for you so you can follow along. I truly love you are able to articulate the Tea Party Mentality in such forceful and delightful way. You are leting everyone here know why anyone with any sense thinks the whole movement is full of crack pot You are a real man. You have lot’s to be proud of. Now go get in your 89 Plymouth Duster and go home and smoke your meth.

Wow, thanks for playin’ thin-skin. Poppin’ left-wing boils like you is as much fun as takin’ a really good sh!t. Blood pressure goin’ up b!tch?

Paul G said:
mouth-breather? ….I’m not the one with the word “sucks’ in her name name…

Oops..Now tell me your a guy…It’ll be even funnier…!…What a Maroon! ..I added an :-0 for you..HAHAHAHA

Paul G said:
Oops..Now tell me your a guy…It’ll be even funnier…!…What a Maroon! ..I added an :-0 for you..HAHAHAHA

Maybe my 2nd best post here…Hehehehe

Paul G said:
mouth-breather? ….I’m not the one with the word “sucks’ in her name name…

Think about it, squidget… in order to suck, one must have evolved to the point that one can breathe through his or her nose.

You know what? I’ve decided that I like you. Your “I’m a dummy” act is adorable.

AmericaSucks said:
In English, please. Even Spanish or French would do. I can also do German in a pinch.

I bet you do do Spanish or English or Germans “in a pinch”…cut or uncut?…Can you tell I’m sick of you AS?…change your name…you’re used up here…Or your ”perf’ vocabulary….’you’re spent’ …Get outta here. You’re a Moron. Oops…Mar;-0on

AmericaSucks said:
Think about it, squidget… in order to suck, one must have evolved to the point that one can breathe through his or her nose.

You know what? I’ve decided that I like you. Your “I’m a dummy” act is adorable.

You’re like the remants of a gang-bang that everybody has to walk thru after we’ve all had our way with you! It’s so fun to slap you around!

MrTPar_taY said:
You’re like the remants of a gang-bang that everybody has to walk thru after we’ve all had our way with you! It’s so fun to slap you around!

Oh, well in that case, please continue.

AmericaSucks said:
Think about it, squidget… in order to suck, one must have evolved to the point that one can breathe through his or her nose.

You know what? I’ve decided that I like you. Your “I’m a dummy” act is adorable.

I said I’m starting to like valk…..

AmericaSucks said:
Oh, well in that case, please continue.

That’s it punk? You dishonor sniveling little coward DemoKKKrats like yourself throughout ‘The Land Of Odds. C’mon back now ‘Crupt. You still got my address? We’re laughin’ at you! LMFAO! heheheheheheheheheh!

MrTPar_taY said:
That’s it punk? You dishonor sniveling little coward DemoKKKrats like yourself throughout ‘The Land Of Odds. C’mon back now ‘Crupt. You still got my address? We’re laughin’ at you! LMFAO! heheheheheheheheheh!

Um, what? Again, in English, please.

Paul G said:
I bet you do do Spanish or English or Germans “in a pinch”…cut or uncut?…Can you tell I’m sick of you AS?…change your name…you’re used up here…Or your ”perf’ vocabulary….’you’re spent’ …Get outta here. You’re a Moron. Oops…Mar;-0on

Ahhhh Hell..I don’t care…Keep this as your ‘craigslist’; gl

MrT pa_per
You’re like the remants of a gang-bang that everybody has to walk thru after we’ve all had our way with you! It’s so fun to slap you around!

Sounds as though someone is speaking from experience, ergo my suspicions are confirmed.

Tedderman said:
MrT pa_per
You’re like the remants of a gang-bang that everybody has to walk thru after we’ve all had our way with you! It’s so fun to slap you around!

Sounds as though someone is speaking from experience, ergo my suspicions are confirmed.

Look everybody, it’s another little empty headed ‘Crupt. Hi Stupid, ready to get your a@@ handed to you? MrTPar_taY is ready to administer another beat down. Let’s play!

MrTPar_taY said:
That’s it punk? You dishonor sniveling little coward DemoKKKrats like yourself throughout ‘The Land Of Odds. C’mon back now ‘Crupt. You still got my address? We’re laughin’ at you! LMFAO! heheheheheheheheheh!

Ladies and gentlemen, another *fine* example of today’s conservative. @MrTPar_taY, is a discredit to his political philosophy, his nation, and most of all himself.

Thanks in part to conservatives/Republicans/Baggers like @MrTPar_taY, I will confirm something about Van Jones, President Obama, and the Democrats in Washington. ALL OF THEM will still be relevant and in charge of the government come January 2013, whereas @MrTPar_taY will be sitting in his basement with a .45 in his mouth and his brains on a wall behind him. Hopefully lots of insanely, dangerously delusional right-wingers will follow @MrTPar_taY’s example. The world does not need his brand of psycho in it any longer.

AmericaSucks said:
Hey, pal o’ mine.

An old Jackie Gleason episode or song?

Also, YES, I did know that, but not right off the top of my head. The name and School were not in the front of my memory.

namseer said:
Ladies and gentlemen, another *fine* example of today’s conservative. @MrTPar_taY, is a discredit to his political philosophy, his nation, and most of all himself.

Thanks in part to conservatives/Republicans/Baggers like @MrTPar_taY, I will confirm something about Van Jones, President Obama, and the Democrats in Washington. ALL OF THEM will still be relevant and in charge of the government come January 2013, whereas @MrTPar_taY will be sitting in his basement with a .45 in his mouth and his brains on a wall behind him. Hopefully lots of insanely, dangerously delusional right-wingers will follow @MrTPar_taY’s example. The world does not need his brand of psycho in it any longer.

Douche! Brevity, nobody cares about your long winded indiscretions or reads them either. LMFAO! heheheheheheheheheheheheheheh!

“MrTPar_taY, kickin’ the sh!t out of DemoKKKrats like this a@@ since 2009®” LMFAO! C’mon punk-laughin’ now are ‘ye? heheheheheheheheheheheh!

Did it occur to any of us that we are all being had? The joke is on us. All of us who are conservatives are “unindicted co-conspirators,” so to speak, and we help Mr. UPSIDE DOWN FLAG, repeat, over and over:

AMERICA SUCKS

I am ill. I am a foole

purveyor said:
Did it occur to any of us that we are all being had? The joke is on us. All of us who are conservatives are “unindicted co-conspirators,” so to speak, and we help Mr. UPSIDE DOWN FLAG, repeat, over and over:

AMERICA SUCKS

I am ill. I am a foole

What’s this about unintelligent co-conspirators?

AmericaSucks said:
What’s this about unintelligent co-conspirators?

I don’t mind paying my taxes as long as the government spends it on trying to cure what’s wrong with DemoKKKrats.

AmericaSucks said:
Sure, I’m happy to explain this to you. First off, you’re only half right that universities are made up of colleges. Some schools call them “colleges” and some call them “faculties” (e.g., faculty of arts and sciences vs. college of arts and sciences or college of medicine vs. faculty of medicine). As it happens, the university I currently teach in does have colleges rather than faculties. But the terms are interchangeable. Indeed, “college” and “university” are also interchangeable terms in the USA, although when speaking about them in specific terms, scholarly tradition distinguishes between them: a “college” is an institution one attends to learn a trade, whereas a university is an institution one attends to do intellectual labor. Second, it is true that I have never taught AT a college, although I have taught IN one. This is because, idiomatically speaking, one teaches AT a college when that term is used to refer to the entire educational entity (e.g., So-and-so teaches at a liberal arts college); however, one teaches IN a college when said college is part of a larger university structure (e.g., I teach in the College of Medicine at the University of X). Third, and in other words, your son’s godfather taught IN a college, not at one. Fourth, I give you partial credit for having tried hard, but you come up short of a passing grade. See you next semester. Fifth, I’ll provide a link to a definition of “idiom” to help you out with what I say in point 2: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/idiomatically This concludes today’s lesson. Please remember to sign the attendance ledger on your way out the door. Toodles, Your friendly neighborhood intellectual superior

And you fail at your attempt to impress. You are very boring no matter what user name you use here.

When do you switch back to writing here are the real racist king?

AmericaSucks said:
Sorry, it’s not true. But I must say that I admire his handiwork at times. Not acerbic enough for my liking, though.

Said in true real racist king fashion. Boring and pompous as always.

AmericaSucks said:
What’s this about unintelligent co-conspirators?

You truly are a disgrace. Don’t care if it’s just an avatar – you’ve branded yourself as an idiot. Then you start typing and prove it!

toodles

RichS said:
Said in true real racist king fashion. Boring and pompous as always.

RICH, He does not teach at a College or University.

AmericaSucks said:
Great spirits have always encountered opposition, from mediocre minds

AmericaSucks said:
I wonder if Purveyor knows the context for that great quotation from Einstein. He said it about Bertrand Russell, when Russell was being hounded out of the Math department at City College of New York because his students’ parents got wind of his “freethinking” ways. Thank you, Purveyor, for chiming in to support one of the greatest lefties of all time. I didn’t think you had it in you. This is the kind of thing that those of us who work for intellectual freedom in the University tend to know, right RichS? (Ask your son’s godfather. He’ll be able to tell you about it.)

No need to ask Kim. You get a passing grade in looking things up on the internet however you are definitely a mediocre mind.

AmericaSucks said:
Think about it, squidget… in order to suck, one must have evolved to the point that one can breathe through his or her nose. You know what? I’ve decided that I like you. Your “I’m a dummy” act is adorable.

I bow to your knowledge of what it takes to be the sucker.

RichS said:
And you fail at your attempt to impress. You are very boring no matter what user name you use here.

When do you switch back to writing here are the real racist king?

Thank you for reverting to your usual approach, and ignoring the substance of a discussion when it turns against you.

I have high hopes that the evolutionary process will eventually breed folks like you out of our species.

RichS said:
I bow to your knowledge of what it takes to be the sucker.

seek said:
You truly are a disgrace. Don’t care if it’s just an avatar – you’ve branded yourself as an idiot. Then you start typing and prove it!

toodles

Wow, there’s a veritable army of you inbred idiots on here and you still can’t, even with your combined “might,” put a dent in me.

How truly sad and pathetic you all are. How very, very impoverished.

This is rich coming from an self professed communist.

Obamo is a politically violent criminal, we know. Watch as he tries to strong-arm the Department of Labor into showing ‘better’ Jobs numbers going forward. I guarantee this, and everyone needs to watch for it. Obamo is the type to try such a trick, because he knows his breast-feeding media accomplices will prop the charade up.

AmericaSucks said:
Wow, there’s a veritable army of you inbred idiots on here and you still can’t, even with your combined “might,” put a dent in me. How truly sad and pathetic you all are. How very, very impoverished.

Yep, Kings back.

Just when you stop and think “I wonder what that commie pinko Van Jones thinks about this” he shows up and answers you. Right on time Van, right on time. I guess he misses GB making him the center of attention.

There you have it folks.

A self avowed Commie talking about extracting money from productive citizens on a show hosted by an avowed Socialist that just so happens to have gotten it’s name from a famous Karl Marx quote (Last Word).

That’s MessNBC in a nutshell. Loon Forward Comrade!

Comcast really airs this garbage? It’s time to show the capitalist Comcast and Comcast’s sponsors how Americans feel about Commies and Socialism. Time to cancel all of your Comcast services and call and tell them you don’t do business with Commies and Socialist supporters.

OxyCon said:
Loon Forward Comrade!

Loon Forward! Hahahaha I love it.

namseer said:
Ladies and gentlemen, another *fine* example of today’s conservative. @MrTPar_taY, is a discredit to his political philosophy, his nation, and most of all himself.

Thanks in part to conservatives/Republicans/Baggers like @MrTPar_taY, I will confirm something about Van Jones, President Obama, and the Democrats in Washington. ALL OF THEM will still be relevant and in charge of the government come January 2013, whereas @MrTPar_taY will be sitting in his basement with a .45 in his mouth and his brains on a wall behind him. Hopefully lots of insanely, dangerously delusional right-wingers will follow @MrTPar_taY’s example. The world does not need his brand of psycho in it any longer.

You are drunk? Seriously

timzank said:
Yep, Kings back.

This King fellow must really have steamed your potatoes. Then again, it doesn’t seem hard to do.

AmericaSucks said:
Wow, there’s a veritable army of you inbred idiots on here and you still can’t, even with your combined “might,” put a dent in me.

How truly sad and pathetic you all are. How very, very impoverished.

Not only did I ‘dent’ you..But I DESTROYED you…But you’re too much of a Moron to know/admit it. How many mins till you change your name here? Your name was/is mud here now….Moron.

Paul G said:
Not only did I ‘dent’ you..But I DESTROYED you…But you’re too much of a Moron to know/admit it. How many mins till you change your name here? Your name was/is mud here now….Moron.

I won’t bother to change my name, creampuff. I don’t want you to lose sight of who your superiors are.

OxyCon said:
There you have it folks.

A self avowed Commie talking about extracting money from productive citizens on a show hosted by an avowed Socialist that just so happens to have gotten it’s name from a famous Karl Marx quote (Last Word).

That’s MessNBC in a nutshell. Loon Forward Comrade!

Comcast really airs this garbage? It’s time to show the capitalist Comcast and Comcast’s sponsors how Americans feel about Commies and Socialism. Time to cancel all of your Comcast services and call and tell them you don’t do business with Commies and Socialist supporters.

Good luck. Boycotts NEVER work, numbskull.

Oh wait–forgot about that whole Benn Gleck thing… Sorry, my bad.

purveyor said:
You are drunk? Seriously

Ah, a fatal flaw of the right. They believe their own bullsh-t. Their view of the world is the only view they understand or can even consider. It’s like they high five each other about going parachuting and jump out of the plane only to realize they forgot their parachutes! The Republicans believe their own rhetoric, soothe themselves with Fox News and hate radio, and think that the voters are going to let themselves get *suckered* a second time by these pathetic right-wing bozos on 11/06/12? Like people are going to re-elect individuals whose sole accomplishment was passing a bunch of abortion bills that went nowhere. Oh, and holding the nation’s economy hostage. President Obama will be giving his second inaugural address by the time it sinks into the right-wingers’ minds that they got their a@@es handed to them in the election.

I suggest you snap out of your delusions, @purveyor. Americans are tired of foolish, greedy, ineffectual Republicans. If you can’t see it, YOU must be drunk. Seriously.

First off, Van Jones did not say what Francis Martel ‘quoted’ him as saying in the headline of this post.

‘A Small Number Of Extremists Hijacked The Base’

It’s Martel that wants to call the R base as extremists. This part is true, “a very small number of extremists” on the right who refuse to raise taxes. Of course Van Jones and Obama want to raise taxes. Not because they think it will spur economic growth, because it won’t. But because it must be totally neutered before it can be rebuilt a la your favorite European socialist country. Instead of growing out of this economic mess, Democrats want government to be in control of the economy. Free-market capitalism to this bunch is like a crucifix to a vampire.

What I would call an extremist, on this debt ceiling debate, is anyone who wants to raise taxes and increase spending. The President is holding fast to his strategy. Borrow our way out of debt and to spend our way back to prosperity. You can tell they’ve spent way too much time at Harvard.

Van Jones and Martel both have it wrong. What has been hijacked by extremists is The White House and those in and close to it.

AmericaSucks said:
I won’t bother to change my name, creampuff. I don’t want you to lose sight of who your superiors are.

Okay…but if a tree falls in a forest!?!!…..But. from now on you won’t get anymore replies…and if you do?!?…I’ll call them on it…..You’re just a Moron that posts not even for the penny(admitted)….So you’re even more of a Moron….
2morrow I’ll remind you of this post…..by Noon, you’ll change your name ……But I REALLY don’t hope so…WE gotta keep ‘our ‘ enemies close…even though I’m gonna try to keep anyone from responding to you from now on…In a day or two…when YOU don’t get replies..and your GH ‘drys’ up….’We’ll” await your ‘name change’…I’m waiting for the name “Moron”…..then I’ll change my cr here…..lol….Moron.

But hmfwic don’t you see that this is just a political game being played out by the republicans? Name me one republican who screamed don’t raise the debt ceiling when Bush was in office name me one? Im amazed that you people don’t see this let me show you something.

Such was not always the case.
When President George Bush took office in January of 2001, he inherited a debt limit of $5.95 trillion. On the day of Bush’s first inauguration, the federal debt stood at $5.73 trillion. But then Bush and his Republican-controlled Congress went on a spending spree that would make LBJ proud. By the time of Bush’s second inauguration, the national debt had increased by almost $2 trillion to $7.61 trillion. On the last day of Bush’s second term, the national debt stood at $10.63 trillion. So, during the eight-year reign of George Bush, the national debt practically doubled. The federal budget exploded under Bush from $2 trillion in fiscal year 2002 (his first budget) to $3.1 trillion in fiscal year 2009 (his last budget). This last of Bush’s budgets was especially significant; it was the first budget in U.S. history to have a deficit of over $1 trillion.
With a debt limit of “only” $5.95 trillion, how did all this happen? Simple. Bush and the Republicans raised the debt limit four times from 2002 to 2006 and then Bush and the Democrats raised it again three more times before Obama and the Democrats raised it three times.
On June 28, 2002, the debt ceiling was raised from $5.95 trillion to $6.4 trillion. S.2578, which became Public Law 107-199, was opposed by only 15 Republicans in the Senate and 6 in the House. It was 206 out of 210 Democrats in the House that opposed the increase.
On April 27, 2003, the debt ceiling was raised from $6.4 trillion to $7.384 trillion. H.J. Res.51, which became Public Law 108-24, was opposed by just 1 Republican in the Senate. In the House the Gephardt Rule came into effect. House Rule XXVII, called the Gephardt rule (after congressman Richard Gephardt) provides for the automatic engrossment of a House joint resolution increasing the public debt limit once Congress agrees to the conference report on a budget resolution, in this case the H.Con.Res.95 conference report. And how did Republicans vote on this conference report on the bloated FY 2004 budget? Only 7 Republicans voted against it.
On November 18, 2004, the debt ceiling was raised from $7.384 trillion to $8.184 trillion. S.2986, which became Public Law 108-415, was again opposed by just 1 Republican in the Senate and by 10 Republicans in the House. Every voting Democrat voted against raising the debt limit.
On March 20, 2006, the debt ceiling was raised from $8.184 trillion to $8.965 trillion. H.J. Res.47, which became Public Law 109-182, was opposed by only 3 Republicans in the Senate. Not a single Democrat in the Senate voted in favor of raising the debt limit. In the House the Gephardt Rule once again came into effect. But how did House Republicans vote on the H.Con.Res.95 conference report for the FY 2007 budget? Only 15 of them (out of 232) opposed it.
The next time the debt ceiling was raised, on September 29, 2007, the Republicans began to turn into fiscal conservatives. H.J.Res.43, which became Public Law 100-91, raised the debt limit from $8.965 trillion to $9.815 trillion. This time 20 Republicans in the Senate voted in opposition. Because of the Gephardt Rule in the House, we need to look at the S.Con.Res.21 conference report on the FY 2008 budget to gage Republican opposition. It turns out that no Republicans in the House voted yes.
On July 30, 2008, the debt ceiling was raised from $9.815 trillion to $10.615 trillion. H.R. 3221, the “Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008″ (the Bush bailout), which became Public Law 110-289, was opposed by 13 Republicans in the Senate and 149 in the House.
On October 3, 2008, the debt ceiling was raised from $10.615 trillion to $11.315 trillion. H.R.1424, the “Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008″ (the TARP bailout), which became Public Law 110-343, was opposed by 15 Republicans in the Senate and 108 in the House.
What turned many Republicans in the Senate and a majority in the House into fiscal conservatives when it came time to raise the debt ceiling in 2007 and 2008? Could it have anything to do with the Democrats winning back control of the Congress in the 2006 midterm elections?
When Barack Obama was elected president in 2008 and the Democrats held on to their majority in Congress, the Republicans almost unanimously resisted any increase in the debt ceiling. On February 17, 2009, the debt limit was raised from $11.315 trillion to $12.104 trillion. H.R.1, the “American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009″ (Obama’s stimulus plan) which became Public Law 111-5, was opposed by 38 out of 41 Republicans in the Senate and all 176 voting Republicans in the House. Then, as mentioned previously, when the debt ceiling was raised two more times under total Democratic control of the government (December of 2009 and February of 2010), there was unanimous Republican opposition.
Notice the progression here. Republicans have gone from almost unanimous support for raising the debt ceiling when they controlled the presidency and the Congress to generally opposing raising the debt ceiling when a Republican was president and the Democrats controlled Congress to almost unanimously opposing raising the debt ceiling when Democrats controlled the presidency and the Congress to unanimously opposing the Democrats the last two times they raised the debt ceiling. It should also be pointed out that when Republicans had a majority in the House and Senate under President Clinton, they voted twice to raise the debt limit (in 1996 & 1997).
The current Republican opposition to an additional increase in the debt limit is purely political, as is everything they do. Aside from fanatical Republican warmongers like John McCain, who believes the war against Libya to be “right and necessary,” the Republicans in Congress generally oppose the $100 million a day it is costing to war against Libya because President Obama is a Democrat and/or he didn’t come to the Congress for permission first. Few Republicans in Congress have a problem with the continued funding of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to the tune of $2.5 billion a week.
Now that the Republicans have a majority in the House, they are sure to compromise on raising the debt limit. Although, as I said earlier, House Republicans are currently overwhelming opposed to any additional hike in the debt limit, and most of them have expressed opposition to raising the debt limit under any circumstances, there is talk about making a balanced budget amendment, major spending cuts, or entitlement reform as conditions to raising the debt ceiling. And just listen to this doublespeak from Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell: “Republicans in the Senate will not be voting to raise the debt ceiling unless we do something significant about the debt.”
But there is plenty of hypocrisy to go around here. As a U.S. senator, Barack Obama had four opportunities to vote on expanding the debt ceiling when George W. Bush was the president. He didn’t vote on two occasions (in 2007 & 2008), but when the Republicans controlled the Congress and supported raising the debt limit in 2006, he voted against doing so (H.J.Res.47) and when the Democrats controlled the Congress and supported raising the debt limit in 2008, he voted in favor of doing so (H.R.1424). And although most congressional Democrats currently favor an increase in the debt limit, they fought against such an increase the four times the debt ceiling was raised when Bush was in office.
Rejecting an increase in the debt limit is the first step toward restoring fiscal sanity in Washington. It would force Congress to cut spending, and cut it drastically. The wars must be ended. The entitlements must be cut. Rolling back government spending to “pre-stimulus, pre-bailout levels,” as the House Republicans proposed in their “Pledge to America,” will not cut it.

Now you can either choose to read this and educate yourself on what is really going on in washington or dig a hole in the sand and pretend the republicans really care about this debt ceiling and are not just fighting for it to oppose Obama and attempt to make him look bad. I will make you guys a bet. If the republicans get into office they will ignore the debt ceiling just as they have before. Any takers?

Okay?….But the dems? they owned the house since 2006…..what about that?

Paul G said:
Okay?….But the dems? they owned the house since 2006…..what about that?

Sry this was for libturd insideguy….

It clearly states in this article that the dems are as hypocritical as the republicans when it comes to the debt ceiling they used the debt limit debate as a political tool while bush was in office. Once the republicans lost control of congress they all of a sudden cared about the debt limit, it goes round and round my friend.

insideguy said:
It clearly states in this article that the dems are as hypocritical as the republicans when it comes to the debt ceiling they used the debt limit debate as a political tool while bush was in office. Once the republicans lost control of congress they all of a sudden cared about the debt limit, it goes round and round my friend.

So your gonna vote rep next time? hahaha….didn’t think so….

Oh who knows who I will vote for all im asking is for you guys to get out of your blind political fantasy land and see things for how they are. Both sides are full of shit.

insideguy said:
But hmfwic don’t you see that this is just a political game being played out by the republicans? Name me one republican who screamed don’t raise the debt ceiling when Bush was in office name me one? Im amazed that you people don’t see this let me show you something.

Such was not always the case.
When President George Bush took office in January of 2001, he inherited a debt limit of $5.95 trillion. On the day of Bush’s first inauguration, the federal debt stood at $5.73 trillion. But then Bush and his Republican-controlled Congress went on a spending spree that would make LBJ proud. By the time of Bush’s second inauguration, the national debt had increased by almost $2 trillion to $7.61 trillion. On the last day of Bush’s second term, the national debt stood at $10.63 trillion. So, during the eight-year reign of George Bush, the national debt practically doubled. The federal budget exploded under Bush from $2 trillion in fiscal year 2002 (his first budget) to $3.1 trillion in fiscal year 2009 (his last budget). This last of Bush’s budgets was especially significant; it was the first budget in U.S. history to have a deficit of over $1 trillion.
With a debt limit of “only” $5.95 trillion, how did all this happen? Simple. Bush and the Republicans raised the debt limit four times from 2002 to 2006 and then Bush and the Democrats raised it again three more times before Obama and the Democrats raised it three times.
On June 28, 2002, the debt ceiling was raised from $5.95 trillion to $6.4 trillion. S.2578, which became Public Law 107-199, was opposed by only 15 Republicans in the Senate and 6 in the House. It was 206 out of 210 Democrats in the House that opposed the increase.
On April 27, 2003, the debt ceiling was raised from $6.4 trillion to $7.384 trillion. H.J. Res.51, which became Public Law 108-24, was opposed by just 1 Republican in the Senate. In the House the Gephardt Rule came into effect. House Rule XXVII, called the Gephardt rule (after congressman Richard Gephardt) provides for the automatic engrossment of a House joint resolution increasing the public debt limit once Congress agrees to the conference report on a budget resolution, in this case the H.Con.Res.95 conference report. And how did Republicans vote on this conference report on the bloated FY 2004 budget? Only 7 Republicans voted against it.
On November 18, 2004, the debt ceiling was raised from $7.384 trillion to $8.184 trillion. S.2986, which became Public Law 108-415, was again opposed by just 1 Republican in the Senate and by 10 Republicans in the House. Every voting Democrat voted against raising the debt limit.
On March 20, 2006, the debt ceiling was raised from $8.184 trillion to $8.965 trillion. H.J. Res.47, which became Public Law 109-182, was opposed by only 3 Republicans in the Senate. Not a single Democrat in the Senate voted in favor of raising the debt limit. In the House the Gephardt Rule once again came into effect. But how did House Republicans vote on the H.Con.Res.95 conference report for the FY 2007 budget? Only 15 of them (out of 232) opposed it.
The next time the debt ceiling was raised, on September 29, 2007, the Republicans began to turn into fiscal conservatives. H.J.Res.43, which became Public Law 100-91, raised the debt limit from $8.965 trillion to $9.815 trillion. This time 20 Republicans in the Senate voted in opposition. Because of the Gephardt Rule in the House, we need to look at the S.Con.Res.21 conference report on the FY 2008 budget to gage Republican opposition. It turns out that no Republicans in the House voted yes.
On July 30, 2008, the debt ceiling was raised from $9.815 trillion to $10.615 trillion. H.R. 3221, the “Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008″ (the Bush bailout), which became Public Law 110-289, was opposed by 13 Republicans in the Senate and 149 in the House.
On October 3, 2008, the debt ceiling was raised from $10.615 trillion to $11.315 trillion. H.R.1424, the “Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008″ (the TARP bailout), which became Public Law 110-343, was opposed by 15 Republicans in the Senate and 108 in the House.
What turned many Republicans in the Senate and a majority in the House into fiscal conservatives when it came time to raise the debt ceiling in 2007 and 2008? Could it have anything to do with the Democrats winning back control of the Congress in the 2006 midterm elections?
When Barack Obama was elected president in 2008 and the Democrats held on to their majority in Congress, the Republicans almost unanimously resisted any increase in the debt ceiling. On February 17, 2009, the debt limit was raised from $11.315 trillion to $12.104 trillion. H.R.1, the “American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009″ (Obama’s stimulus plan) which became Public Law 111-5, was opposed by 38 out of 41 Republicans in the Senate and all 176 voting Republicans in the House. Then, as mentioned previously, when the debt ceiling was raised two more times under total Democratic control of the government (December of 2009 and February of 2010), there was unanimous Republican opposition.
Notice the progression here. Republicans have gone from almost unanimous support for raising the debt ceiling when they controlled the presidency and the Congress to generally opposing raising the debt ceiling when a Republican was president and the Democrats controlled Congress to almost unanimously opposing raising the debt ceiling when Democrats controlled the presidency and the Congress to unanimously opposing the Democrats the last two times they raised the debt ceiling. It should also be pointed out that when Republicans had a majority in the House and Senate under President Clinton, they voted twice to raise the debt limit (in 1996 & 1997).
The current Republican opposition to an additional increase in the debt limit is purely political, as is everything they do. Aside from fanatical Republican warmongers like John McCain, who believes the war against Libya to be “right and necessary,” the Republicans in Congress generally oppose the $100 million a day it is costing to war against Libya because President Obama is a Democrat and/or he didn’t come to the Congress for permission first. Few Republicans in Congress have a problem with the continued funding of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to the tune of $2.5 billion a week.
Now that the Republicans have a majority in the House, they are sure to compromise on raising the debt limit. Although, as I said earlier, House Republicans are currently overwhelming opposed to any additional hike in the debt limit, and most of them have expressed opposition to raising the debt limit under any circumstances, there is talk about making a balanced budget amendment, major spending cuts, or entitlement reform as conditions to raising the debt ceiling. And just listen to this doublespeak from Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell: “Republicans in the Senate will not be voting to raise the debt ceiling unless we do something significant about the debt.”
But there is plenty of hypocrisy to go around here. As a U.S. senator, Barack Obama had four opportunities to vote on expanding the debt ceiling when George W. Bush was the president. He didn’t vote on two occasions (in 2007 & 2008), but when the Republicans controlled the Congress and supported raising the debt limit in 2006, he voted against doing so (H.J.Res.47) and when the Democrats controlled the Congress and supported raising the debt limit in 2008, he voted in favor of doing so (H.R.1424). And although most congressional Democrats currently favor an increase in the debt limit, they fought against such an increase the four times the debt ceiling was raised when Bush was in office.
Rejecting an increase in the debt limit is the first step toward restoring fiscal sanity in Washington. It would force Congress to cut spending, and cut it drastically. The wars must be ended. The entitlements must be cut. Rolling back government spending to “pre-stimulus, pre-bailout levels,” as the House Republicans proposed in their “Pledge to America,” will not cut it.

Ummm… Did you miss the 2008 elections? “WE” conservs….ahhhh nm…you morons are morons.

Paul G im unsure of what you are attempting to say. The point of this is that when Bush was in office the debt limit was raised and the dems opposed it. Now that Obama is in office the republicans oppose raising the debt limit. Both sides used this as political fodder but neither actually gives a damn about it. And it will be proven once again if a republican gets the presidency I will guarantee it. If you think differently you are a fool and naive.

AmericaSucks said:
As someone who has taught at the university level, I’m here to tell you that you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. And thank god that SOMEONE is doing the work of teaching young people how to think and act in a free and just society, because folks like you have made a mess of doing so.

I would think you’d be ashamed to admit that in a public forum since Americans are awakening to the damage caused in institutions of “higher learning.

I never thought this would happen but the Ex Tea Party Express Coalition has just voted a couple days ago to join Rebuild the Dream. We are teaming up with Van Jones. Van Jones has welcomed us to their ranks. I agree this goes way beyond party lines. Conservative vs Liberals needs to work together. We felt are Social Security and Medicare-Medicaid was too important to lose over keeping tax cuts for the wealthy few.

Why is this DisHonorable, No Integrity Piece of Communist Monkey Feces, Van Jones, still in the news? Wasn’t he dismissed? Guess the MSM loves Communists more than Patriots, the way they suck up to the lowlife Commnist in American Politics. Anyone But Obambi in 2012! Lets vote in a Real American with American Values, not someone who was raised in Islamic Schools during his formable years. It is no wonder Obama has no American Values, Honor, or Integrity, just like the Scum he picked for his Administration!

billwhit1357 said:
Why is this DisHonorable, No Integrity Piece of Communist Monkey Feces, Van Jones, still in the news? Wasn’t he dismissed? Guess the MSM loves Communists more than Patriots, the way they suck up to the lowlife Commnist in American Politics. Anyone But Obambi in 2012! Lets vote in a Real American with American Values, not someone who was raised in Islamic Schools during his formable years. It is no wonder Obama has no American Values, Honor, or Integrity, just like the Scum he picked for his Administration!

Just because Beck told you this, that doesn’t make it true. As a conservative I’m disappointed in your nonsense.

Good lord you righties are silly creatures.

I am astounded that so many here are shamelessly ready to defend the indefensible rhetoric and actions of Van Jones. Van Jones is neither an economist or pro-American and those two things alone disqualify him from any reasoned discussion on advice or analysis of the debt or taxes.
I’ll have to go with what Kudlow said today about raising taxes in this economic climate being insane and that it is entirely political. He echoed what some of the best non-Keynesian economists (but I repeat myself) have said in the last couple of months.

NonElite said:
I am astounded that so many here are shamelessly ready to defend the indefensible rhetoric and actions of Van Jones. Van Jones is neither an economist or pro-American and those two things alone disqualify him from any reasoned discussion on advice or analysis of the debt or taxes.
I’ll have to go with what Kudlow said today about raising taxes in this economic climate being insane and that it is entirely political. He echoed what some of the best non-Keynesian economists (but I repeat myself) have said in the last couple of months.

Buffet and Stockman disagree with Kudlow’s supply side economics theory because it’s not working. Kudlow is against helping the middleclass.

lucky5 said:
Buffet and Stockman disagree with Kudlow’s supply side economics theory because it’s not working. Kudlow is against helping the middleclass.

If supply side economics had been employed by the Federal government for the last 30 years maybe we could find out if it would work. Keynesian economics has dominated for that long and we have definitive proof that is has not worked.
Also, I believe that you are wrong about Kudlow being against the middleclass, it is quite the opposite. I can’t recall anything he has said or written to give you that impression.

NonElite said:
If supply side economics had been employed by the Federal government for the last 30 years maybe we could find out if it would work. Keynesian economics has dominated for that long and we have definitive proof that is has not worked.
Also, I believe that you are wrong about Kudlow being against the middleclass, it is quite the opposite. I can’t recall anything he has said or written to give you that impression.

He has thrown us real Reagan conservatives under the bus and Supply side economics which at one point I thought was for the best but after listening to Stockman I now think it has hurt us more than ever. I think we should also change our trade policy. These supper low interest rates haven’t helped either and that’s a real bad sign.

lucky5 said:
He has thrown us real Reagan conservatives under the bus and Supply side economics which at one point I thought was for the best but after listening to Stockman I now think it has hurt us more than ever. I think we should also change our trade policy. These supper low interest rates haven’t helped either and that’s a real bad sign.

I respect Stockman, but he seems to have strayed away from his supply side foundation. I also agree with him in part about trade. He’s been pretty solid about being right on what is good and bad in the economy, but so has Kudlow. I only brought him up in particular because he was the last one I heard today.
All in all I would much favor a flat tax with no deductions which would eliminate these politically motivated subsidies and loopholes. That way politicians couldn’t buy votes with political tax favors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crs13JJ87gA
Easy Money Lyrics
Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds

It’s difficult. It’s very tough.
I said to the man who’d been sleeping rough
To sit within a fragrant breeze
All among the nodding trees
That hang heavy with the stuff

He threw his arms around my neck
He brushed the tear from my cheek
And held my soft white hand
He was an understanding man
He did not even barely hardly speak

Easy money
Rain it down on the wife and the kids
Rain it down on the house where we live
Rain until you got nothing left to give
And rain that ever-loving stuff down on me

All the things for which my heart yearns
Gives joy in diminishing returns
He kissed me on the mouth
His hands they headed south
And my cheek it burned

Money, man, it is a bitch
The poor, they spoil it for the rich
With my face pressed in the clover
I wondered when this would be over
And at home we are all so guilty-sad

Easy money
Pour it down the open drain
Pour it all through my veins
Pour it down, yeah, let it rain
And pour that ever-loving stuff down on me

Now, I’m sitting pretty down on the bank
Life shuffles past at a low interest rate
In the money-coloured meadows
And all the interesting shadows
They leap up, then dissipate

Easy money
Easy money
Easy money
Rain it down on the wife and the kids
Rain it down on the house where we live
Rain it down until you got nothing left to give
And rain that ever-loving stuff down on me

Van Jones is an Authority on ANYTHING????????

Why is this Communist still around? Why is Mediaite covering him?

Republicans Are Liars said:
I’m certain that Van has heard like everyone else that David Stockton, Reagan’s chief architect of the trickle down theory of economics has now said it is a failed experiment. Reagan never thought of anything, he only read his lines.

I have been searching the web and I can’t find anyone as dumb as you. Is that why you hide behind that phony name? I have also been trying to find a comment that you have posted that isn’t a lie. Can’t find one.

AmericaSucks said:
As someone who has taught at the university level, I’m here to tell you that you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. And thank god that SOMEONE is doing the work of teaching young people how to think and act in a free and just society, because folks like you have made a mess of doing so.

LOL, you “taught”. LOL. You think that hiding behind a phony name you can say anything and people will believe you? The bell is ringing at the carry out window get back to your fryer.

AmericaSucks said:
You’re right. I’ve never taught college courses; I’ve taught at universities–different beasts altogether, as anyone who had attended one might know…

You need to see a doctor soon. You are delusional. No one teaches using crayons. Hamburger U. doesn’t count as a real university.

AmericaSucks said:
Thank you for reverting to your usual approach, and ignoring the substance of a discussion when it turns against you. I have high hopes that the evolutionary process will eventually breed folks like you out of our species.

No, there has not been any substance in anything you have written. Nothing has turned against me but you do continue to be boring and pompous.

AmericaSucks said:
Wow, there’s a veritable army of you inbred idiots on here and you still can’t, even with your combined “might,” put a dent in me. How truly sad and pathetic you all are. How very, very impoverished.

Put a dent in you? We are laughing at you, but I’m sure you are used to that in your everyday life.

AmericaSucks said:
This King fellow must really have steamed your potatoes. Then again, it doesn’t seem hard to do.

No, regardless of the user name you use, there has never been any steaming of potatoes. You have never been anything but boring and pompous.

AmericaSucks said:
Good lord you righties are silly creatures.

Gee, prejudging an entire group. No wonder I call you the real racist king. Racists are so free wheeling when it comes to prejudging.

I do feel guilty. This is like when one of my cats plays with a nearly dead mouse. You know that the mouse, like the real racist king, is most likely dease carrying verim but you do feel bad for the mouse.

insideguy said:

When Barack Obama was elected president in 2008 and the Democrats held on to their majority in Congress, the Republicans almost unanimously resisted any increase in the debt ceiling. On February 17, 2009, the debt limit was raised from $11.315 trillion to $12.104 trillion. H.R.1, the “American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009″

When “Moon Watcher,” raised, and used a club, thus killing his enemy with a weapon for the very first time, such was a “quantum leap!” An epiphany, if you will.

Or, was “Moon Watcher” simply playing politics? A sort of sci-fi von Clausewitz, (“War is politics by another means”)

In 2008, the Moon Watchers of America, finally, noticed the mess that had been in the making. Furthermore, that making a bigger and more odiferous mess was not a “quantum leap!”

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

Note: Thanks and apologies to Arthur C. Clarke

insideguy said:

Rejecting an increase in the debt limit is the first step toward restoring fiscal sanity in Washington. It would force Congress to cut spending, and cut it drastically. The wars must be ended. The entitlements must be cut. Rolling back government spending to “pre-stimulus, pre-bailout levels,” as the House Republicans proposed in their “Pledge to America,” will not cut it.

A “quantum leap,” or common sense. Perhaps there is bit “Moon Watcher” in you? Either way, I am in agreement with you. Which is NOT surprising to me.

Purveyor

Buffoon

gordonbloyershow said:
You need to see a doctor soon. You are delusional. No one teaches using crayons. Hamburger U. doesn’t count as a real university.

Clever retort(s).

(Unfortunately, I agree with you that SUCKS {really} does have issues. Ethically, maybe we shouldn’t engage him. However, he appears functional enough to where he can assert his own free will. Ergo, if he wants to “play in the dirt,” so to speak, we can accommodate him.)

Dem4Ever said:
Buffoon

As your Post is in close proximity to mine, I sincerely hope that I am not target of your “buffoonery?” LOL

I have always enjoyed your Posts, so I hope this is not the case? “INSIDEGUY” wrote a lengthy piece on the preceding page, that was excellent.

Purveyor

America Sucks, at least righties aren’t silly enough to remain in a place that they think sucks. Are you too poor to relocate, or just too dumb?

Here is a thought: Most of you must have come across “The Annoying Orange” while surfing?

The Orange is contrarian, chocked full of somewhat witty and even germane responses. BUT, “Annoying Orange” is, well, ANNOYING! LOL

I ask you, fellow space travelers, is it that “SUCKS,” our upside down flag waving antagonist, is our very own “Annoying Orange?” Ouch!

Purveyor

America Sucks is Robert Stephenson, aka Royal King.

RE-WRITER,

Is Mr. Stephenson, um, healthy?

He actually displays symptoms that one could….

Anyway, I stay away from engaging him. However, he has the unique ability to draw people in to useless and circuitous debates.

Thank You

Just type in Robert Stephenson. He has his own far, far left website, and a video on You Tube. Note the look in the eyes on the video. That says it all.

insideguy said:
Republicans have gone from almost unanimous support for raising the debt ceiling when they controlled the presidency and the Congress to generally opposing raising the debt ceiling

Educate yourself with the facts. The average annual deficit under Bush was $250 billion. Obama, in contrast, has been running a deficit of MORE THAN A TRILLION DOLLARS every year. I assure you, that if Obama brought down his borrowing requirements to $250 billion, he would have very little trouble negotiating with the Republicans in Congress.

purveyor said:
RE-WRITER,

Is Mr. Stephenson, um, healthy?

He actually displays symptoms that one could….

Anyway, I stay away from engaging him. However, he has the unique ability to draw people in to useless and circuitous debates.

Thank You

Since when have you steered clear of me, Perv Eeyore? Your compulsion to prove your stupidity forbids it.

And I thought that RRK was a chick–you dolts need to get your stories straight.

felixw said:
Educate yourself with the facts. The average annual deficit under Bush was $250 billion. Obama, in contrast, has been running a deficit of MORE THAN A TRILLION DOLLARS every year. I assure you, that if Obama brought down his borrowing requirements to $250 billion, he would have very little trouble negotiating with the Republicans in Congress.

I read INSIDE’S entire piece. I’ll give him credit for initiative. I pointed out two salient (for me anyway) points and commented on such.

His conclusion, certainly, is something I agree with, i.e., that extending the debt limit is pure folly. Also, that we need to very aggressive, economically.

Comments?

Purveyor

INSIDE is a Democrat, yet, it appears even he has reconciled the need for economic Conservatism.

gordonbloyershow said:
LOL, you “taught”. LOL. You think that hiding behind a phony name you can say anything and people will believe you? The bell is ringing at the carry out window get back to your fryer.

Dude, I’ve seen your vids on YouTube; you disqualified yourself from laughing at anyone looooooooong ago. When you have some time, please fill us all in on what it’s like to be an abject failure.

Now fetch me a burrito, old man.

Robert, you say America sucks, yet you stay. So how stupid are you?

Paul G:

Did you miss the 2010 elections?

re-writer said:
Robert, you say America sucks, yet you stay. So how stupid are you?

Please, call me Greg.

And I stay in the faint hope that the good guys will wrest control of the national narrative away from the bad guys and make the USA a great nation once again.

Then it seems that instead of using the name America Sucks, you would’ve used something like I’m Hopeful. Robert.

the reactionary cjd ohio 1 says:

“van jones is lying too, i know your lefty leaning makes you believe on certain people lie…”

This is a good example of the damage Glenn Beck has done to some people’s minds. Beck lied about Van Jones for months, and because Beck is such a CONvincing liar, people, especially his reactionary followers, believe his lies and don’t even consider any of the evidence that we have put forth that proves Glenn Beck is a pathological liar:

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2011/07/glenn-becks-story-is-fiction-of.html

At least when cjd ohio adds the word “too,” he has an inkling that Beck lies. Before spreading his Beck spouted nonsense about Jones though, it would make a lot of sense to get to the facts of the matter: Van Jones is not a communist any longer, and he supports market solutions to the problem of climate change. See The Green Collar Economy:

http://www.amazon.com/Green-Collar-Economy-Solution-Problems/dp/0061650757

re-writer said:
Then it seems that instead of using the name America Sucks, you would’ve used something like I’m Hopeful. Robert.

Whatever you say, Gordon.

I love your “show,” by the way.

And we all love your video, Bob. Haven’t seen such a psychotic look in the eyes since they arrested Manson.

GlennBeckReview said:
the reactionary cjd ohio 1 says: “van jones is lying too, i know your lefty leaning makes you believe on certain people lie…” This is a good example of the damage Glenn Beck has done to some people’s minds. Beck lied about Van Jones for months, and because Beck is such a CONvincing liar, people, especially his reactionary followers, believe his lies and don’t even consider any of the evidence that we have put forth that proves Glenn Beck is a pathological liar: http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2011/07/glenn-becks-story-is-fiction-of.html At least when cjd ohio adds the word “too,” he has an inkling that Beck lies. Before spreading his Beck spouted nonsense about Jones though, it would make a lot of sense to get to the facts of the matter: Van Jones is not a communist any longer, and he supports market solutions to the problem of climate change. See The Green Collar Economy: http://www.amazon.com/Green-Collar-Economy-Solution-Problems/dp/0061650757

dont listen or watch beck, like usual GBR assumes shit lol, and GBR believes van jones cause he says he has changed and now likes free markets lol………….talk about a blind follower

With GBR, Van Jones gets the benefit of the doubt. With Beck, never!

JUST A THOUGHT:

This debate has become worse as the power and self reliance/responsibility of the States has diminished.

Actually, much State authority was usurped by a powerful Federal Government, with the help of an acquiescent Judiciary, that the anti-Federalists warned about.

Is it possible that this antipathy would go away, if the Federal Government returned some of the decision making to States, where it originally belonged?

For instance, the “Religio-Social” issues that cause so much trouble from region to region: California’s social appeasement doesn’t sell very well, say, in Montana or Texas.

Purveyor

GlennBeckReview said:
Van Jones is not a communist any longer, and he supports market solutions to the problem of climate change.

Oh okay, as long as he says he is no longer a Commie. What about still being a truther? Is that all in the past too? Kind of like when Obama said he didn’t hear any of Wright’s comments in the 20 years he sat in his church?

What you see depends on where you stand. From Mr Jones perspective, Bernie Sanders is a right wing extremist. For one thing, he’s not a person of color which is suspicious in itself. As for Ronald Reagan and taxes, as I understand it, he got suckered, and regretted it. There was an agreement for $3 in cuts in spending for every dollar in tax increase. The taxes got raised and the cutting didn’t. Once burned, twice shy.

Not that I don’t think taxes need to be raised. They do. It is obscene that the wealthiest 1% of Americans own 34% of the net wealth, the wealthiest 20% own 85% of the net wealth, and somebody like Warren Buffett pays a lower rate on his accumulation of wealth than a guy flipping burgers at McDonald’s does. The people with money have loaded the scales of justice by buying the politicians of both parties; only the rhetoric is different.

Danny Ross said:
It is obscene that the wealthiest 1%

Sustitute “wealthiest,” for the word “successful.” Does the context change?

purveyor said:
As your Post is in close proximity to mine, I sincerely hope that I am not target of your “buffoonery?” LOL

I have always enjoyed your Posts, so I hope this is not the case? “INSIDEGUY” wrote a lengthy piece on the preceding page, that was excellent.

Purveyor

Not at all…my reference was directed at Van Jones alone.  My apologies for the confusion.

sorry felix and purveyor just got back from work(god its hot out there). Look guys you have both pointed out good points but I think you may be missing mine. This article clearly states the writers support for not raising the debt limit, and that fine. But if you think that the politicians on either side actually will not raise the debt limit I really think you are being blind. What you are saying felix is well the deficit wasn’t as bad under Bush so it was ok for the republicans to raise the debt ceiling. The debt doubled under Bush he left office with more debt than any president before him combined. Now its getting worse. But you are arguing apples and oranges. The point is the republicans didn’t care about this debt limit till Obama got in. All of a sudden its a major deal cause its bigger. But it was bigger than ever under Bush and they didn’t care! THe democrats for some reason cared when bush was running up the debt lol not sure why that was but now all of a sudden they don’t care. Please look at my posting earlier on the Defense budget and ask yourself are the republicans really concerned about cutting spending? They say they are and it all sounds good, but whatever they favor in cutting will be replaced by something they want to spend money on(ie defense, tax cuts, subsides for big corporations). Call me a jaded cynic , but there is a difference between the democrats and the republicans, it just aint what you think it is.

And felix is you read that article Bushs deficit doubled from around 5 trillion to 10 trillion in eight years thats more than 250 billion a year. It increased every year under Bush and the trend is the same under Obama. The obligations of this govt continue to expand, the defense budget continues to grow, the veterans benefits continue to grow, as do other govt programs. I am all for cutting spending but this will not and cannot possibly solve this problem alone. I know you know this and so do the republicans, thats why tax revenue must increase in one way or another. Now how you increase this Tax revenue is up for a lengthy debate but it must be done, otherwise we are sunk.

INSIDE,

First, are you on active patrol? I live in Miss., now and its been 95 to 100 with no rain for weeks. I don’t even ride my Motorcycles. Somehow I assumed you had a command position. Not that theres anything wrong…. LOL

Second, Did you read my somewhat bizarre analogy about “Moon Watcher?” Was very close to your Post. I really made the point that the advent of Obama and company has become the “quantum leap,” that actually makes the previous decades of mere lip service fade in the distance.

Rather than a war, meteorite or revolution, perhaps Obama’s attempts at mass Socialization might be the impetus?

I supported your conclusion. (I just used a bit of allegory, LOL)

Dem4Ever said:
Not at all…my reference was directed at Van Jones alone.  My apologies for the confusion.

Man, the coincidence of the location, coupled with ubiquitous (good word) presence of “AMERICA SUCKS,” lately, must have me on edge. Ouch!

Thanks

Yea im on Active patrol(of course here in new mexico its 100 degrees and hasn’t rained in months so its semi active lol) Maybe one day ill test for supervisor but not sure I want or need the headache lol. And I understand that you agreed with me to some extent. I know your argument is well the republicans did it and it was bad but now its worse with the democrats. Thats a possible argument but is that what we are left with. BAD or REALLY BAD? If this is the case maybe we are sunk:)

insideguy said:

Yea im on Active patrol(of course here in new mexico its 100 degrees and hasn’t rained in months so its semi active lol) Maybe one day ill test for supervisor but not sure I want or need the headache lol. And I understand that you agreed with me to some extent. I know your argument is well the republicans did it and it was bad but now its worse with the democrats. Thats a possible argument but is that what we are left with. BAD or REALLY BAD? If this is the case maybe we are sunk:)

Don’t be so depressed. I think we are doing fine with our analysis. I am fine with this so far. We accept the fact that we are all responsible for the mess, right up to Obama. I mean everybody, the citizen/voters too. We just lost our common sense.

But now, do you accept that in three years, Obama did the same amount of damage as was done in the last 100 years plus?

The real questions are, Does the America our Founding Fathers envisioned: free enterprise, self reliance and self discipline and personal responsibility, still exist and is such viable?

Or, Is Socialism, the product of of Marx and Engels the future for America?

Obama and his acolytes are Socialists. We were told that before he was elected. His Grand Parents, his Parents, his mentors and teachers were all Socialists. Everything Obama has done since taking office has been motivated by Socialist ideology. By definition!

We have two competing Philosophies that have given a black eye to America, so to speak.

Where do we go from here? Your own proposed solution repudiates the current Obama solution which is to raise the debt limit. The Conservatives (Boehner) view this as the “quantum” moment. Cut spending!

Furthermore, I hope this “quantum” moment includes a lesson learned, not to repeat the mistakes of the past.

Comments?

Yes but purveyor your philosophy may be to cut spending by this alone will not solve the problem and you know it. And John Boehner does not care about this limit or this quantum leap as you say, He cares about how this will look for him and his party. From what I have read so far is that the republicans will not compromise and both cut spending and raise some taxes. A 4 trillion dollar deficit package is on the table and Boehner caved and now it may be 2 trillion. But its only trillion if Obama agrees to only cut spending. How is this a compromise? This is how we got ourselves into this position in the first place no one will compromise. Politically Boehner cannot walk away from this table with spending cuts only and no tax increases, and politically Obama cannot walk away from the table with only spending cuts and no tax increases. They are stuck therefore we are stuck. How can Boehner walk up to the president and say mr president I want you to cut spending but not on the programs i don’t want to cut spending on? This is a no win situation. In order for a compromise to occur everything has to be looked at including defense! But its not this issuing to go down to the wire and I really hope someone flinches first.

purveyor said:
Don’t be so depressed. I think we are doing fine with our analysis. I am fine with this so far. We accept the fact that we are all responsible for the mess, right up to Obama. I mean everybody, the citizen/voters too. We just lost our common sense.

But now, do you accept that in three years, Obama did the same amount of damage as was done in the last 100 years plus?

The real questions are, Does the America our Founding Fathers envisioned: free enterprise, self reliance and self discipline and personal responsibility, still exist and is such viable?

Or, Is Socialism, the product of of Marx and Engels the future for America?

Obama and his acolytes are Socialists. We were told that before he was elected. His Grand Parents, his Parents, his mentors and teachers were all Socialists. Everything Obama has done since taking office has been motivated by Socialist ideology. By definition!

We have two competing Philosophies that have given a black eye to America, so to speak.

Where do we go from here? Your own proposed solution repudiates the current Obama solution which is to raise the debt limit. The Conservatives (Boehner) view this as the “quantum” moment. Cut spending!

Furthermore, I hope this “quantum” moment includes a lesson learned, not to repeat the mistakes of the past.

Comments?

Very well said.
I am not sure that most Americans are just too busy going about their daily lives to know just how close this administration has brought us to becoming a socialist society. His administration is a veritable who’s who of 60’s activists who have not lost their passion for socialism.
Van Jones who was our Green Czar before leaving his position at the White House is a good example of just one these positions whose role was to help in bringing about the transformative change that candidate Obama spoke so often of during his campaign. Jones is a self proclaimed communist and was actively associated with the radical socialist group STORM amongst other activist groups. His role was to be very influential in bringing about large scale social change once the Cap and Trade bill passed. But that never happened which frustrated the administrations’ plans for the transformative economic and social change promised during his campaign. Cap and trade would have funded the new green economy in which through grants and carbon caps the government could shape to its own ends. Jones’ role would have been important here. Not having passed Cap and Trade the administration has turned to the EPA to regulate carbon but it has slowed and stalled the so called green economy and taken from it serious funding that the stimulus by itself could not offset.
I think that Americans who are opposed to the new green socialist economy should be paying close attention to any UN Environmental Summits and especially any to proposed treaties coming out of these summits which our president may choose to sign. These treaties will threaten our nations ‘ sovereignty by subordinating our laws and constitution to international law and treaty enforcement. Although the science and data formulation of global warming is currently being challenged, the UN Agenda 21 continues unimpeded, and just as important as it’s environmental mission is it’s mission of redistribution of wealth to 3rd world countries that amazingly enough include China and India. America because of our advanced industrial society is expected to help fund the development of these 3rd world countries, and as is always the case ours being the largest developed economy in the world with the largest carbon foot print we are expected to pay the lions of this worldwide development. This is what Soros is talking about when he says that global governance is already begun…. It is the world wide control of energy and admissions…. If you can control a society’s carbon footprint, you can control it’s energy consumption, if you can control it’s energy consumption you control the society… It is a very ingenious plan that is far beyond the planning stage. Obama has committed the US to a 90 percent reduction in carbon emissions by 2050. So you do the math, 400 million people producing 10 percent of our current carbon footprint. By the way the only thing absolutely proven about increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere is that the human contribution is about 4% and that rises in CO2 levels cause greatly enhanced crop output from agriculture.

Ms. Jones,

Has it EVER occurred to you (and the overspending-addicted Democrats) that THE problem is NOT that Americans (even those “evil” rich ones) are paying TOO LITTLE TAXES, but that for DECADES Government has been not just spending too much, but OVER-SPENDING too DAMN much (for too damn long)?

Also, let’s be PERFECTLY HONEST (for a change), shall we? America is NOT on the brink of defaulting on its debts! There is a CONTINUOUS flow of Tax Revenue to the Federal Government (you all [who get paychecks] know that [among other things] your Federal Tax Withholding is taken out [and sent to the Federal Government]). THAT money IS MORE THAN ENOUGH to pay our DEBT obligations.

What’s LACKING, is ANY SENSE (by the Obama Administration or other elected Democrats) that THEY (their unsustainable addiction to over-spending the American People’s Tax Dollars) are THE MAIN PROBLEM with our budget!

Let us ALSO not forget that the Pelosi/Reid Congress (before Pelosi was [thankfully] removed as Speaker of the House) passed NO BUDGET whatsoever! So, let’s not have any pinger-pointing at Boehner and the Republicans for any budget problems NOW (shall we?)!

What the Democrats have sought to do, is to RAISE spending (what are we at now? $14.2 or $14.3 TRILLION DEFICIT spending), THEN try to demonize the Republicans for NOT going along with making THAT level of spending “the norm” (by raising taxes to pay for it). What is NEEDED, of course, is to CUT SPENDING (in line with EXISTING revenues).

NOTE: In the previous paragraph, the $14.2 to $14.3 TRILLION deficit worthy of note! To THIS administration, the DIFFERENCE between those two numbers ($100 BILLION) is “a rounding error” (and of NO CONSEQUENCE). In THE REAL WORLD, $100-BILLION is REAL MONEY.

insideguy said:
Yes but purveyor your philosophy may be to cut spending by this alone will not solve the problem and you know it. And John Boehner does not care about this limit or this quantum leap as you say, He cares about how this will look for him and his party. From what I have read so far is that the republicans will not compromise and both cut spending and raise some taxes. A 4 trillion dollar deficit package is on the table and Boehner caved and now it may be 2 trillion. But its only trillion if Obama agrees to only cut spending. How is this a compromise? This is how we got ourselves into this position in the first place no one will compromise. Politically Boehner cannot walk away from this table with spending cuts only and no tax increases, and politically Obama cannot walk away from the table with only spending cuts and no tax increases. They are stuck therefore we are stuck. How can Boehner walk up to the president and say mr president I want you to cut spending but not on the programs i don’t want to cut spending on? This is a no win situation. In order for a compromise to occur everything has to be looked at including defense! But its not this issuing to go down to the wire and I really hope someone flinches first.

I have enjoyed reading yours and purveyor’s comments… My thought is that you will see a shorter term deal than the president wants… and as far as raising taxes it is my view that if our government ever shows constraint and responsible fiscal governance you will see conservatives weaken their view on taxes… Even in the midst of the so called crisis we face Washington refuses to speak to us in a direct manner… they want to talk about savings over the next 10 years 4 trillion dollars? Really? They seem very quiet about the 10 to 12 trillion in additional debt added across this same 10 year period, they remind me of my ex-wife as I would come home to a wiped out checking account because some designer store had a sale…… but gee dear, I saved $400. Ten year projections are rediculous as the house of representatives faces re-election every two years and nothing they do today will binding to the next 5 congresses. They just keep playing their games… One of the other points you made was GW… many conservatives are extremely disappointed in the spending of GW unfortunately it took Obama’s spending and the new debt levels to wake us up to just how dire the situation is. Conservatives like to point out that it is simple as fifth grade math, that the spending has to stop, but the same simple fifth grade math would also dictate that current levels of revenue will not reduce the nations debt, and that as the economy recovers that revenues must be considered, but the government will not get conservative support until they seriously reform and show good governance. I too think that conservatives are very much open and supportive of a complete overhaul of our tax codes.

I wonder thought gefforyk if the republicans are really serious about these spending cuts to social programs. I really think Obama has them backed into a corner on this one but we will see. I know Cantor came up with this plan on medicare and medicaid. But its one thing to propose it and another to actually pass it. Cantor did this in the house and the house is always the one with the radical plan and it makes him look good. But I don’t think Senate republicans want any part of Cantors plan and he knows it. He can come out as a reformer when he’s got nothing to lose cause he knows the republicans in the Senate cant pass it with the numbers they have. I maintain just for the sake of argument this. A republican wins in the white house, and they take back both the senate and keep the house. Ok now everything is hunky dory right? NOOOOOOOPE they wont pass a damn thing if that happened cause if they start picking apart the social programs like they say they want to , it will destroy them politically. The debt will continue to grow and grow. Its easy to be the loyal opposition but much harder to govern as Obama has seen. I do think some compromise will happen here(although I don’t know what or how) and in the end it will probably end up pissing both sides off, but I suppose thats what a compromise is about:)

insideguy said:
e republicans will not compromise and both cut spending and raise some taxes.

INSIDE

IF, Boehner has any “Moon Watcher” in him, this is not just another political moment. It is the next moment in America and its place in history.

IF, we cut spending yet, continue printing money at the treasury, then we will perish as a Nation. However, IF we can exhibit the fortitude to CUT expenses, commensurate to the needed spending, America will survive. Re-emerge in our proper place.

“Moon Watcher” raises the club…. (Remember the music from 2001 A Space Odyssey) Moon Watcher swings the club at his mortal enemy from the opposing tribe…. “Quantum Leap.” Our Tribe will survive.

gefforyk said:
unfortunately it took Obama’s spending and the new debt levels to wake us up to just how dire the situation is. Conservatives like to point out that it is simple as fifth grade math, that the spending has to stop, but the same simple fifth grade math would also dictate that current levels of revenue will not reduce the nations debt, and that as the economy recovers that revenues must be considered, but the government will not get conservative support until they seriously reform and show good governance. I too think that conservatives are very much open and supportive of a complete overhaul of our tax codes.

INSIDEGUY–GEOFFORYK

The “Moon Watcher” epiphany! GEOFF’s first sentence, This is the quantum moment. IF, we recognize the significance? I chose the allegory to make a political/economic evolutionary point. Our new friend GEOFORYK, is is more clinical. Yet, seems to like Jumping Spiders?

GEOFORYK,

Your comments, tell me you are knowledgable, experienced and skilled in presenting information. Hmm?

I don’t know purveyor we will have to agree to disagree. I think you are going to be disappointed in what you think is Boehners Moon Watcher moment, but we will see. Whatever happens both sides will spin, it is up to us to look through this spin and see whats really going on.

And on Mark Wards comments please look at the budget. It is not possible to cut spending in line with excisting revenues it just isn’t. Well I suppose you could but the blood you would leave in the water would be huge and neither side even wants to think about this. You have to raise taxes or close loopholes to even hope to balance the budget period. I know the right wing doesn’t want to admit this but they know it to be true.

insideguy said:
Now you can either choose to read this and educate yourself on what is really going on in washington or dig a hole in the sand and pretend the republicans really care about this debt ceiling and are not just fighting for it to oppose Obama and attempt to make him look bad. I will make you guys a bet. If the republicans get into office they will ignore the debt ceiling just as they have before. Any takers?

You are absolutely correct in your observation, if you track deficit spending you will see that even Jimmy Carter had a better record of spending than did Reagan.. Historically Democratic presidents have the better record, but one might argue that congress played a role. You have done a really good job of outlining impetus for the Tea Party movement. There were no big worries when Bush came to office, as you outlined here the national debt was at under 50% of GDP and people voted pretty much along party lines in a very close election.. the two biggest contraversies that I can remember prior to the election were Hillary Care and Monica L… but then came 911 followed by two unfunded wars.. the TSA and finally the housing and financial crisis… part of the reason that hishes last year of deficit was $1 trillion was the bailout effort. all of the sudden we are at a 12 trillion dollar deficit and people began to notice. The Tea Party arose as a grass root movement contrary to what some would have you believe, they were people that had never before been particularly involved in politics but they did not and do not believe that the country can sustain it’s current path. Contrary to what the Dems and pres would have you believe the Tea Party is not a bunch of crazed right wing nuts, they are your neighbors, and people who believe in this country and are proud of it’s history, yes, they recognize that there were dark moments but no more so and even less so than other countries of the world. Even president Obama has recently said that we have gone to far and need to make changes and restore fiscal responsibility.. althought he has no plan to do so. Before this president you are right, Bush had just about doubled our national debt in his two terms.. and that is truly outrageous, what is more outrageous is that Obama will double Bushes deficit in his first term.. taking our national debt to unsustainable numbers with not structually addressing the causes… Yes I hear the call for more taxes but increasing taxes will make little difference, structual spending is the cause and no amount of taxes that you could collect will fix that. and why would you give the idiots in DC more revenues, have they proven to you that they are good stewards of our money???? For me the answer is NO! We see so much waste and a lack of will to address it… just send us more.. and give us a higher debt limit…. they have had many an opportunity to fix things in DC and all they have proven is that they are incapable of doing so… repubs and dems alike…

Yea geffory but where was the tea party at 10 trillion under bush, where is the tea party with the 700 billion dollar defense budget just passed through the house? I think you are partly correct in most tea party people at normal folks but they were swept up in this movement at the beginning of the Obama admin. Now you can call this a coincidence I call it a political movement that is anti-Obama. The tea party may have existed in some form during the Bush years but with the help of FOX news it took off during the start of the Obama admin. Most people in the tea party probably have good intentions however I also most of them are naive to say the least. They need to take a good hard look at themselves and their states to see how much federal money they are getting and be willing to cut it. I am not completely in disagreement with them. For example Im a county sheriff out here in the west. I have not received a raise in 4 years when my federal counterparts continue to receive raises on a yearly basis. Why haven’t I got a raise? Because my county (the largest in new mexico) either doesn’t have the money or doesn’t feel its prudent at this time to give me more because of the economy. I accept that. Now a fed employee get Cola raises every year some times less sometimes more but they do get annual raises. How is this possible? The federal govt has no money? They just print more and this bothers me. If my county could print money im sure they would give me raises lol. My point to this is I don’t see these republicans who claim they are for smaller govt calling on a federal pay freeze, or cutting their staffs by 30% or taking a pay cut themselves or cutting their bloated pension plans or any of this. Why is this? Because they want you to think that they are serious but will not make any personal sacrifices themselves if only to show they have good intentions. I feel the average tea party person is the same way. He wants to cut everything that doesn’t directly benefit him or her. Once something comes on the table to cut that may be a benefit him or her they will scream and moan just like everyone else.

insideguy said:
I wonder thought gefforyk if the republicans are really serious about these spending cuts to social programs. I really think Obama has them backed into a corner on this one but we will see. I know Cantor came up with this plan on medicare and medicaid. But its one thing to propose it and another to actually pass it. Cantor did this in the house and the house is always the one with the radical plan and it makes him look good. But I don’t think Senate republicans want any part of Cantors plan and he knows it. He can come out as a reformer when he’s got nothing to lose cause he knows the republicans in the Senate cant pass it with the numbers they have. I maintain just for the sake of argument this. A republican wins in the white house, and they take back both the senate and keep the house. Ok now everything is hunky dory right? NOOOOOOOPE they wont pass a damn thing if that happened cause if they start picking apart the social programs like they say they want to , it will destroy them politically. The debt will continue to grow and grow. Its easy to be the loyal opposition but much harder to govern as Obama has seen. I do think some compromise will happen here(although I don’t know what or how) and in the end it will probably end up pissing both sides off, but I suppose thats what a compromise is about:)

Inside I can’t tell you what Boehner will do, I am not convenced that he is the real thing. He is part of the establishment, when the freshman class of repubs arrived in Washington the press was abuzz wondering how long it would take for the republican establishment to get them into line… I think that what we have witnessed is that many of that freshman class are not career politicians and truely went to DC with a purpose.. Time will tell us. The problem as purveyor correctly points out is that we can not continue to print money… and the Fed is surely not the answer as they only put off problems that eventually come back to us with an vengence. I do not know if you paid any attention to QE1 and 2 but I actually read an article penned by a vice president of one of the fed banks that the printing of money was not debt monetization if that was not what Bernanke intended it to be … what BS! But the rise in commodity prices as well as gasoline will tell you that things were not as simple as Bernanke would have you believe. The social security system is in such immeadiate need because the same politicians who tell you that it is viable for the next 30 years or whatever and neglecting to tell you that they spent the surpluses and replaced them with US Treasury instruments. Yes the Social Security Trust on paper is viable, but the government will have to either borrow the funds to convert the tresuries back to monetary status so that they can despense the money to seniors or they will have to continue to monitize to buy back those securities.. Don’t forget that in not so many years there will only be 3 working persons supporting each retired senior… I do not think that our children will tolerate this, the burden we are shifting to them is far to great… already 40% of Federal spending is borrowed money, as the boomers retire, as our debt and interest on the debt grows larger then it becomes worse, at some point the financial markets will stop lending to us…God forbid that there be a rise in interest rates making the interest a significant line on the budget… but that has never happened before has it???? Jimmy Carter? I would hope that conservatives would do more than just talk crap but truly demonstrate a willingness to begin facing these problems now. Grandparents in this country can tell you about the great depression, about WWII and women having to leave their homes and work in factories, about food and gas rationing…. hence the term victory garden… they sacrifiec because it was what they needed to do… maybe the “Me” generations that have followed them can find the same foritude.

I suspect VJ isn’t particularly knowledgeable about economics & wouldn’t take advice from him anyway. Wonder whether he has in fact talked to “ordinary people” lately.

Inside I have enjoyed talking with you. I think that you and I agree that neither the republicans or the democrats are representing the interests of the people of this country very well. I also think that your take on the Tea Party is very interesting, there was no Tea Party under Bush and I think that you are right, that without Fox news they would have not been as sucessful as a movement, but with the internet and the many ways of connecting on the internet it has been much more than Fox news that has allowed this movement to move forward. I would caution you as to how you judge them it is easy to prejudge and consider them naive, I would suggest to you that many of these people have spent a great deal of time educating themselves on current issues. There are so many problems we face that we have not even touched on here and that the media seems to stray away from. I am sure that you as a law enforcement officer have seen more than your share of those problems. Maybe we will see movements similar to the tea party on both sides and find political leadership who will bring principle to their offices rather than self interest… there is a lot of work to be done for this country and I and I think that you would agree that there must be principled change in DC, politics as usual is not going to fix this country.

gefforyk said:
Very well said.I am not sure that most Americans are just too busy going about their daily lives to know just how close this administration has brought us to becoming a socialist society. His administration is a veritable who’s who of 60’s activists who have not lost their passion for socialism.Van Jones who was our Green Czar before leaving his position at the White House is a good example of just one these positions whose role was to help in bringing about the transformative change that candidate Obama spoke so often of during his campaign. Jones is a self proclaimed communist and was actively associated with the radical socialist group STORM amongst other activist groups. His role was to be very influential in bringing about large scale social change once the Cap and Trade bill passed. But that never happened which frustrated the administrations’ plans for the transformative economic and social change promised during his campaign. Cap and trade would have funded the new green economy in which through grants and carbon caps the government could shape to its own ends. Jones’ role would have been important here. Not having passed Cap and Trade the administration has turned to the EPA to regulate carbon but it has slowed and stalled the so called green economy and taken from it serious funding that the stimulus by itself could not offset.I think that Americans who are opposed to the new green socialist economy should be paying close attention to any UN Environmental Summits and especially any to proposed treaties coming out of these summits which our president may choose to sign. These treaties will threaten our nations ‘ sovereignty by subordinating our laws and constitution to international law and treaty enforcement. Although the science and data formulation of global warming is currently being challenged, the UN Agenda 21 continues unimpeded, and just as important as it’s environmental mission is it’s mission of redistribution of wealth to 3rd world countries that amazingly enough include China and India. America because of our advanced industrial society is expected to help fund the development of these 3rd world countries, and as is always the case ours being the largest developed economy in the world with the largest carbon foot print we are expected to pay the lions of this worldwide development. This is what Soros is talking about when he says that global governance is already begun…. It is the world wide control of energy and admissions…. If you can control a society’s carbon footprint, you can control it’s energy consumption, if you can control it’s energy consumption you control the society… It is a very ingenious plan that is far beyond the planning stage. Obama has committed the US to a 90 percent reduction in carbon emissions by 2050. So you do the math, 400 million people producing 10 percent of our current carbon footprint. By the way the only thing absolutely proven about increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere is that the human contribution is about 4% and that rises in CO2 levels cause greatly enhanced crop output from agriculture.

Hey geforyk, What part of socialism do you hate the most? Is it the police department, the fire department, the highway department, the building inspectors, the meat inspectors, the Drug Enforcement Administration, the armed services, the veterans administration, social security, Medicare, the federal aviation administration, FEMA, the EPA or Federal Trade Commission? these are all social services to protect people from corrupt businesses or protect our country that we come together as a country to fund for the protection of all. I believe that is socialism. Which one do you want to get away from first. Please tell me how many jobs you have created Mr. Entrepreneur? Do you have a pension outside of Social Security? Not a 401K or IRA, do you have a pension of your own? I think what would be best for you is to go to Hatti. They have very little regulations or social institutions. Your philosophy would fit in just fine.

@ Republicans Are Liars.. Yours is a nonsensical argument. The expectation of a government operating within a balanced budget does not equate to no government at all… Government plays a very important role in all of our lives. But conservatives asking for restraint and fiscal responsibility does not in anyway mean that we want no government.. I know that this may be hard for some to grasp, I mean the Dems in the Senate don’t seem to think that budgets are even necessary, if there is a need they will respond with a program, damn the budgetary process, all we have to do is raise the debt ceiling? The fiscal path that we are on will lead to a situation similar to what we are seeing in Greece. If you don’t believe this just do some research for yourself on countries that have monetized their debts… there will soon come a time that other countries and the private sector will not loan us money at favorable rates and you will see the Fed as they just did again monetize our debt… I assure you that you will not like the consequences such action by our government. Yes, I agree with you in that there are plenty of necessary and important functions that our government provides, but they need to stop trying to solve every problem that every individual may face in this country… soon they will not be able to solve any as they will have completely exhausted their ability to borrow, and soon behind that they will have destroyed our currency…

INSIDE GUY AND GEOFRYK,

INSIDE, GEOFRYK’s input was a pleasure. I believe we were privileged to have someone with his/her writing style–soothing and clinical–to access our two views.

I probed, when I mentioned the photo of the spider, but, could not gain access to the person behind the mask, so to speak.

Either way, I wish I could cheer you up. I told you once before: “I believe you’d make a good friend.”

Note: Re-read the dialogue, including Geofryk. Was unique.

purveyor said:
access

Asess (Ouch!)

purveyor.. My hobby is macro photography… something about the Jumpers eight eyes watching I thought was appropriate. They are considered to have the best eyesight of all bugs. Thanks for your kind comments.

gefforyk said:

purveyor.. My hobby is macro photography… something about the Jumpers eight eyes watching I thought was appropriate. They are considered to have the best eyesight of all bugs. Thanks for your kind comments.

As I recall, Jumpers have the ability to problem solve, and/or, plan ahead, as in ambush its prey by anticipating the prey’s movement?

I watched a show about a Jumper called “Porsche,” that was down right spooky the way it hunted.

I’ve been an amateur herpetologist since I was 5, when I caught a Garter snake. I may be Conservative, but, I am an animal lover. “Bugs” too. LOL

Along that line, and adapting ones avocation to one’s profession, etc. The other day I was trying to explain my

study and use of military history and philosophy to COSMOS. He was seriously appalled! He just couldn’t grasp the competitive (war like) nature of human interaction.

Sun Tzu: “A good general, knows his opponent better than himself.” Also, “A good General brings his opponent to his choice of battlefield.” (The Romans, finally, defeated the Boudicca and the Britons this way)

Anyway, the very first thing I do when entering into dialogue with a stranger: I do what I can to know my audience or opponent, their strengths and weaknesses.

My use of quotes and allegory (do they play chess) help probe my audience or opponent’s breadth of knowledge or intellect. Ergo, can they connect the dots. Cosmos found this, um, er, unpalatable. Ouch!

Anyway, It looks like, today at least, Boehner is holding his ground.

“A house divided against itself, cannot stand”

Abraham Lincoln

Victor,
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck.
Van Jones continues to look like a communist, walk like a communist, and talks like a communist, so he is still a COMMUNIST!!! There is no WAS in his case.

If Vicky looks like a hypocrite, walks like a hypocrite and talks like a hypocrite, then he must be a hypocrite.

Vicky keeps beating his head against the wall and blaming everyone because his head hurts!