As usual, Carney handled the matter with dignity. Certainly a lot more dignity than Graham’s tone-deaf Christianist rant deserved.

CARNEY WRONG. TRAINWRECK VERY NEWSWORTHY.

It’s great that the same party that suspects the President is a Muslim also accuses him of being influenced by a black Christian minister.

Maybe one of my Conservative friends can help me. I spent the morning reading and rereading the constituti­on, and I’m baffled. I can’t find the part where it says our president must be a christian.

According to Obama’s former pastor America is the devil. 

Your point is?

Nobody says the President has to be a Christian. But I reserve the right to vote for the person who I believe exemplifies my Christian faith and reject the person who is detrimental to my Christian beliefs. Rev. Graham was just expressing exactly the same thing albeit in a convoluted way that cable TV engenders. 

Again folks, when the Republicans bring up this nonsense about who’s more Christian than who, it’s a good thing.  They’re (Republicans) afraid to discuss the real issues that affect real Americans… because if they do, they’ll surely lose.

 He doesn’t have a point. That’s why he’s still talking about Obama’s former pastor.

So what has President Obama done to make you think he does not exemplify your Christian faith?

Separation of church & state was a founding principle for a reason. As long as our elected officials do not try to force us to be  Muslims, or homosexuals, or Orthodox Presbyterians, and succeed in leaving the People free to choose, then they’ve done their job.

It’s when they cross the bounds of the government role & responsibility where people get and itchy trigger finger.

It’s quite evident you haven’t been reading the updated version made popular during the 8 years of insanity brought to us by Cowboy Bush/Dickhead-deficits don’t matter-Chaney.It’s all the rage among the T-Baggers!!!!!!!!!!

Excellent piece, Tommy.

By the way, forget Bobbly Flay.   Let’s get Ina Garten to comment.  At least, she has experience.  

:-)  

 We Blacks are the “sons of Ham” to many far right wingers anyway, so they make no distinction.

–Cobra

Graham is an indolent, bigoted homophobe who would do better getting an honest job instead
living off the contributions of his “sheep.”

 I need to get the updated one.

My Christian can knock the snot out of your Christian any day.Wanna bet 10K?

FROTH SMASH ALL CHRISTIANS!!! FROTH MORE CHRISTIAN THAN TEBOW!!!

“He firmly believes that getting an extra $40 in every paycheck is of vastly greater significance to most Americans…”

And next January, the $40. will be gone and either Obama won’t need any more votes and won’t care, or he will be out of office and he won’t care.

Hey Carney. Congratulate Burton on his Super Pac. $56,000. in January alone !

You’ll find in in the stack next to Mao’s Little Red Book.In fact I believe it’s on sale if you present “Your Papers” at checkout.

You must have a pretty weak set of beliefs if you think a politician can be detrimental to them.

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE DOESN’T APPLY TO CHRISTIANS.

Good thing Tommy Christopher writes for Mediaite or this would just be a lame version of Fox Nation, total wannabees.

Homosexuals??  What does homosexuality have to do with separation of church and state.

DEVIL WANTS AMERICA. WHO ELSE WOULD DEVIL TARGET BESIDES US? AMERICA IS LAST GREAT CHRISTIAN COUNTRY.

 wow… that sounds like the truth!

POINT BEING IF PASTOR BELIEVE AMERICA IS DEVIL OBAMA BELIEVE AMERICA IS DEVIL. FROTH BELIEVE EVERYTHING FROTH’S PRIEST BELIEVE. WHY WOULDN’T OBAMA BELIEVE EVERYTHING PASTOR SAY UNLESS OBAMA NOT REALLY CHRISTIAN? HAHA FROTH GOT OBAMA GOOD NOW. >:)

does so!  has one on his head!

ummm! delicious—juicy—HAM!

Just an example. I could have easily have interchanged that comment with “forcing us to wear beards and have tattoos on our right ankles.” But homosexual simply came to mind. Nothing negative to be assumed by that statement what so ever. 

Perhaps not just a separation of church and state but a separation of government force used against the people. They can force each other to do this or that all they want, but when it involves the People, that’s when people get their hackles up.

MSNBC is mastering the process of setting an agenda that feeds itself well. Fun to watch.

Paul is talking about the issues.

The others give them a wide birth. So does Obama. And you’ve never heard Ron once talk about his Christian Faith – he always addresses our Rights in the form of Natural Law. Never a theocentric perspective.

A total pro.

lol

Don’t ask that question if you don’t want a serious answer. Because he’s done plenty. Do you want a list?

There are a few Christians I feel we need to throw to the lions.

As usual Tommy didn’t. 

Koch Bros must have dropped a few million into Franklin’s pocket. I am so over this conversation. Stay tuned for tmrw’s analysis on Rev. Wright…

Hmm, Mr. Graham, it’s almost like Jesus had something to say about this very situation:

 - And why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye when you have a log in your own  (Matthew 7:3)

Seems like your own Christianity is the one to suspect here, Franklin.

Obama was a member of a church where the Pastor expressed beliefs about American policies that some will find controversial or insulting.  He was excising his free speech, but people are free to also disagree.  Obama left the church (he probably should not have).

Rick Santorum is a current member of a church whose leadership is responsible for the systematic rape and torture of thousands of children, and whose leadership is still trying to cover it up.  The head of the church referred to the horrors of the child rate as “an American media issue.”  There is documented evidence that he (the Pope) participated in the cover up and obstruction of action being taken against known rapist of children. 

I really have to ask the republicans out there who bring up Rev Wright, and the balls of Rick Santorum to bring it up, which is worse.  And if the church Obama was associated with did what the Catholic Church and its leaders did would you be so silent on that fact. 

Free speech vs. child rape. 

Now please enlighten me why free speech is worse.

I see your dilemma: you actually READ the thing. What you’re supposed to do is NOT read it but say in a loud insistent voice, Doesn’t anybody read the Constitution any more? 

1. Obama worships Satan
2. Obama worships Allah
3. Obama is a racist Black Panther Christian
4. Obama worships Stalin
5. Obama worships Goldman Sachs
6. Obama feeds on the blood of American babies

Did leave any of your reasonable, reality-based critiques out, Road? 

Please enlighten us. 

Rev. Wright’s church has a lot in common with radical muslims -both anti-semitic, both hate the white west and colonialism. Rev Wright’s church gave a man of the year aware to Nation of Islam Farrahkan. 

Hahaha. Now that was actually pretty funny.

Hmm; you’re going to have to show us that. I’ve never seen or heard any clip of U.S. Marine & U.S. Navy veteran Jeremiah Wright saying “America is the devil”, or anything of the sort. Even the “God DAMN America” sound bite has been taken out of context: if you listen to the entire 25 minute sermon, you can see very easily that he was employing wordplay to make a double pun: a juxtaposition of “bless” with “damn” & a figure of speech so common it’s shown up in msm sitcoms & movies thousands of times – for example in Men In Black where the character played by Will Smith says to the just-zapped shotgun shack widow, “you’re gonna go out shopping, get yourself a new wardrobe, because … damn”, as in, it’s completely obvious to anyone that you’re wearing the most obviously unflattering clothing imaginable; thus the phrasing: God DAMN, America – are you so completely oblivious to the hypocrisy between the ideals in the Constitution & the actual policies of government that you haven’t even noticed it?

Plus one thing that Democrats & Republicans all agree on is that our greatest president was Lincoln: the most likely among all 44 to have been an atheist.

Both start with “R”, both have websites,  both enjoy long walks on the beach, both like American Idol…

Oh, that is SO unfair: he’s only intermittently indolent.

“Listen! A voice in the wilderness!” Matthew 3:3

Carney is the LYING face of the LIAR, 0bama.

BOTH are destined to be HATED by the American people. Need proof? Notice the uproar when 0bomber offended 70 million Catholics, recently. THAT’s only the BEGINNING.

-0bama – Worst, by choice-

Ah, but then as of the end of the year the Bush tax cuts will have expired & that’s going to change an awful lot. This doesn’t even depend on Obama being re-elected: if he were to be defeated, he’d let them lapse, or repeal any bill Congress sent him to continue them; if he gets re-elected, then he’ll take that, properly, as a mandate to let them lapse, & then it gives him the upper hand with the 113th Congress on tax reform. Just allowing the Bush tax cuts to lapse is going to have a positive effect on the bond markets & the US governments standing with the ratings agencies.

The darlings of the right, Ronald and Nancy Reagan  used pagan astrology to time certain White House events. That didn’t seem to bother many people.

Yes. Please elaborate. Otherwise, you and your “faith” can suckle my left testicle.

Froth should offer self as alternative nominee at GOP convention….

I never once mentioned my faith. And you can lick your own nuts.

Tommy Christopher obviously doesn’t know what a Christian is, so he’s confused, to say the least.  Just chalk this up to DRIVE BY MEDIA grenade shrapnel near  the Santorum is a lunatic Christian meme that will be the template as long as Santorum has a chance of carrying the Nuclear Football, after NObama destroys 80% of our missile capability!  

Right on schedule Tommy!  

Hey jackass, maybe as a taxpayer you should be incensed that the Catholic church accepts tax free status and gets subsidized by the government, and then argues about something health-related that most (including Catholic) women want available. Maybe the Church should ascribe the Constitution when it comes to its forays into the political sphere.  PS- you aren’t scaring anyone and you come across like a twelve-year old.

Froth has a point.

It’s not in there.

It’s a big list. I am working on it.

You used “homosexual” to reiterate the conversation Republicans have been making to paint tolerance as enabling or coercion.  Same way Santorum used Black when talking about the poor.  You believe that it is a choice, a decision that can be reversed.  And what you say about government force relates directly to Santorum’s perceived role of the government:
Santorum has said proudly “We always need a Jesus candidate”, “this
right to privacy that doesn’t exist in my opinion in the United States
Constitution”, people should live “responsibly in conforming with God’s laws.”
“One of the things I will talk about that no President has talked about before
is I think the dangers of contraception in this country, the whole sexual
libertine idea”, Santorum also asserted, “The idea is that the state
doesn’t have rights to limit individuals’ wants and passions — I disagree with
that. I think we absolutely have rights because there are consequences to
letting people live out whatever wants or passions they desire. And we’re
seeing it in our society.”

Be careful what you wish for….

I’m not wishing for anything. Holster your weapon. Damn.

I am amazed that Franklin Graham , having sat under the leadership of a great Evangelist like Billy Graham, does not understand salvation.  The Christian leaders of Jesus’ day did not accept him as the promised messiah.  Those leaders were bound by religious law and dogma.  Jesus tried to show them a better way.  he preached to them about love and forgiveness.  He told them they would never inherit the kingdom of God until they learned to love their neighbor as themself.  They would have to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and shelter the homeless.  He would never say let them die.  In Luke 16, he tells about the rich man who went to Hell.  What did the rich man do ?  He neglected to feed the beggar he saw every day at his gate.  He didn’t share what he had.  Obama exemplifies those values.  He wants to help the have nots.    He seems more like Jesus than any of the others who say they are Christians.

Of course Obama is a great leader with big ideas. He saved Detroit right? We are now paying GM to make cars and paying GE to buy cars at the same time. Over 100 Billiondollars dumped into this hole so far with no end in sight. Together they posted over 25 billion dollars in profits last year and didnt pay 1 dollar in taxes, but Obama has the nerve to point at Warren Buffets secretary. Not to mention the garbage about 1% and “fair share” With yet the 3rd side of his face its absolutely disgusting that Mitt Rommney only paid several million dollars in taxes that he earned with no government handouts at all.

No one is attacking Obama for sitting in Reverend Wrights church of “Kill all White People” for how many years? I wonder if Wright baptized his daughter.But sure attack Rick Santorum because he believes in God. The poor man has endured more suffering than Obama has thats for sure. I mean holy cow Reverand Wright “Church of America is Evil and must be Destroyed” and your boy has the nerve to criticise the pope?

There are a lot of good people in the Democratic Party. LGBT,Greens, Pro Choice, Dead People and Illegal Aliens, but Obama isnt one of those. He belongs to the scum sucking communist labor unions who only care about one thing money, and they will never be able to rape this country for enough to satisfy their hunger if Obama sits on the throne for a hundred years.

Obamacare? Another bottomless moneypit designed to fail. You think thats about healthcare? Its about making money disappear through massive beauracracy, regulation and fraud. All of his economic policies are designed to fail. He could raise taxes 20 times and it would alldisappear into one moneypit or another and we would still be broke and he still be trying to squeeze us for more. I miss you Bill Clinton.

All of you idiot Obamabots have been duped by a man intent on the rape of the greatest nation in the world, and hes laughing all the way to the bank with his scumsucking communist union buddies, but the punchline is that you people are too stupid to see who hes really laughing at. Everyone of you should be ashamed that you sold out your country for 40$/wk and free condoms. Except for the ones that sold us out because they hate white people.

Low IQ Alert.

You nailed it

You are a false witness.  None of those things are true and you know it.

I think what he said was many people in the United States are possessed by the devil.

Is it just me, or do you find it funny that no major religious leaders in this country endorse Muhammad Obama.

Well said Mr Graham, your truth burns the left every time.  

He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself (Luke 10:27)

nope, dont see anything there about hating gays, denying women control of their own bodies,  killing Muslims, letting poor folks die from preventible disease, drugs and starvation, or anti-Latino racism.  Pretty sure Rick and Franklin are the ones who are confused; the President is just doing exactly what the Good Book says

You replied to the question: So what has President Obama done to make you think he does not exemplify your Christian faith? Your reply was:….Because he’s done plenty. Do you want a list? I’d say that references your “faith”. Suckle away dimwit.

You folks will never get it. There is a difference between giving of your own free will and having the government take it away from you.

So that would make you an Obama advocate -simply he most clearly follows the path set out by Jesus. Trying to help people and tolerating all the hate that stalks him with staggering patience and benevolence.

You can not really believe that people who lie and amass vast fortunes at the expense of others, and start wars for oil – you can’t really believe that these people have any shot at getting into heaven. May be Romney who will be king of his very own planet – may be that’s your guy – because that was all Jesus cared about. May Gingrich with multiple marriages  -because Jesus abandoned the sick – perhaps that your guy. 

“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. (Matthew 6:5-6)
Just what makes him or any other televangelist a “major religious leader.”  According to the book they are supposed to be following they are base hypocrites, as bad as the Pharisees

ninja edit

State TV?

Of course Obama is a great leader with big ideas. He saved Detroit right? We are now paying GM to make cars and paying GE to buy cars at the same time. Over 100 Billiondollars dumped into this hole so far with no end in sight. Together they posted over 25 billion dollars in profits last year and didnt pay 1 dollar in taxes, but Obama has the nerve to point at Warren Buffets secretary. Not to mention the garbage about 1% and “fair share” With yet the 3rd side of his face its absolutely disgusting that Mitt Rommney only paid several million dollars in taxes that he earned with no government handouts at all.
No one is attacking Obama for sitting in Reverend Wrights church of “Kill all White People” for how many years? I wonder if Wright baptized his daughter.But sure attack Rick Santorum because he believes in God. The poor man has endured more suffering than Obama has thats for sure. I mean holy cow Reverand Wright “Church of America is Evil and must be Destroyed” and your boy has the nerve to criticise the pope?
There are a lot of good people in the Democratic Party. LGBT,Greens, Pro Choice, Dead People and Illegal Aliens, but Obama isnt one of those. He belongs to the scum sucking communist labor unions who only care about one thing money, and they will never be able to rape this country for enough to satisfy their hunger if Obama sits on the throne for a hundred years.
Obamacare? Another bottomless moneypit designed to fail. You think thats about healthcare? Its about making money disappear through massive beauracracy, regulation and fraud. All of his economic policies are designed to fail. He could raise taxes 20 times and it would alldisappear into one moneypit or another and we would still be broke and he still be trying to squeeze us for more. I miss you Bill Clinton.
All of you idiot Obamabots have been duped by a man intent on the rape of the greatest nation in the world, and hes laughing all the way to the bank with his scumsucking communist union buddies, but the punchline is that you people are too stupid to see who hes really laughing at. Everyone of you should be ashamed that you sold out your country for 40$/wk and free condoms. Except for the ones that sold us out because they hate white people.

And then watch the economy take off.

I think you are wasting your breath on these people. They are too full of hate or at least too stupid to even recognize the incoherence of their cave like world view

Well, maybe it’s just me, but I see a bigger battle going on.  That battle is between God and the Devil for the souls of men.  We have to look at the big picture.  What engenders such hate and division.  Why so much hate for a Black President.  Why a Black President.  Why are oppressed peoples all over the world rising up against their oppressors.  Why now?  There is unprecedented sin and evil all over the world.  Why are good people vilified, and bad people honored…..Ask yourself why…..

And my point is tolerance means accepting that while people are different than us, they deserve the same rights.  If you want to frame that as homosexuality being forced on people legislatively then I call bs on your last sentence. Right now goverment is legislating the opression of gay rights.  And they are amending the constitution in some cases to do so.  I say let all people be equal, stop treating homosexuality as a choice and then the world will be a better place.  Otherwise I agree with your sentiment

1. The individual mandate

No list of President Obama’s constitutional violations would be complete
without including the requirement that every American purchase health
insurance, on penalty of civil fine. The individual mandate is unprecedented
and exceeds Congress’s power to regulate interstate commerce. If it is allowed
to stand, Congress will be able to impose any kind of economic mandate as part
of any kind of national regulatory scheme. Fortunately, the Supreme Court has a
chance to strike this down during its current term.

2. Medicaid coercion

The Court will also be taking up Obamacare’s massive intrusion on
federal-state relations in the form of a coercive Medicaid expansion. The law
compels states to drastically increase their Medicaid expenditures and
reorganize their health care bureaucracies, on penalty of losing all
(not just additional) Medicaid funds. No state contemplated such a program when
it signed onto Medicaid — Arizona was the last to join, in 1982 — and now no state
can afford to withdraw. Indeed, even if some withdrawal mechanism existed,
withdrawn states’ taxpayers would still be funding complying states’ Medicaid
programs. As the Supreme Court held in South Dakota v. Dole, there
comes a point when “the financial inducement offered by Congress might be
so coercive as to pass the point at which pressure turns into compulsion.”

3. The Independent Payment Advisory Board (a.k.a. “The Death
Panel”)

IPAB is the group of 15 presidential appointees who, beginning in 2014, are
tasked with reducing Medicare spending. Any decisions IPAB makes automatically
become law that can only be overridden by a three-fifths majority vote in the
Senate. Unlike other federal agencies, IPAB is subject to no external review —
no public notification in advance of proposed rules or opportunity for comment,
no administrative guidelines and no judicial review. Medicare comprises about
13 percent of the federal budget, so that’s an awesome amount of power for
Congress to delegate to unelected executive-branch bureaucrats. Indeed, it’s so
basic a violation of traditional separation of powers that there’s no
historical analog. The Goldwater Institute has filed a strong lawsuit
challenging this (yet another) unprecedented aspect of Obamacare, which will
continue wending its way through the lower courts regardless of how the Supreme
Court rules on the individual mandate and Medicaid-coercion issues.

4. The Chrysler bailout

Building on the Bush administration’s illegal use of TARP funds to bail out
the auto industry, the Obama administration bullied Chrysler’s secured
creditors — who were entitled to “absolute priority” — into accepting
30 cents on the dollar, while junior creditors such as labor unions received
much more. This subversion of creditor rights violates not just bankruptcy law
but also the Constitution’s Takings and Due Process Clauses. This blatant crony
capitalism — government-directed industrial policy to help political insiders —
discourages investors and generally undermines confidence in American rule of
law.

5. Dodd-Frank

Intended to remedy weaknesses in the U.S. financial system — ensuring
transparency and accountability — the Dodd-Frank financial “reform”
empowered unlimited, unreviewable and often secret bureaucratic discretion. The
administrative bodies the legislation created face no constraints on the
exercise of arbitrary authority. For example, the Treasury Department now has
broad and essentially unchecked power to seize banks and other financial
entities that it determines are unsound but “too big to fail.” The
new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and Financial Stability Oversight
Council, meanwhile, craft, execute and interpret their own law. Due process and
separation of powers issues abound.

6. The deep-water drilling ban

Following the Deepwater Horizon oil spill, the Interior Department issued a
blanket six-month moratorium on new oil and gas drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.
A federal judge struck down that moratorium as arbitrary and capricious, but
the government issued a new order to replace the one that was struck down. That
order was subsequently withdrawn, but the judge was so shocked by the
administration’s conduct that he found the government in civil contempt of
court.

7. Political-speech disclosure for federal contractors

In April of this year, President Obama released a draft executive order
(still pending) that would require businesses with federal contracts to
disclose independent expenditures on federal elections (political speech
independent of candidates and parties). This order is intended to undermine the
Supreme Court’s Citizen United decision — allowing independent
expenditures by corporations, unions and other associations — by discouraging
federal contractors and their executives from engaging in political speech. Citizens
United held that such expenditures do not enable the kind of quid pro
quo corruption that campaign finance laws are allowed to regulate, so this
draft executive order shows contempt for the First Amendment by chilling
protected speech.

8. Taxing political contributions

Earlier this year, the IRS tried to muzzle political speech by asserting
that donations to certain nonprofit advocacy groups (so-called 501(c)(4)
organizations) would be subject to the gift tax. Historically, the IRS has not
applied the gift tax in this way — donations to advocacy groups are not likely
to be used to circumvent the estate tax — and when the IRS previously tried to
tax political donations, it was rebuffed by the courts on the grounds that such
transfers are not gifts (i.e., the donor is getting something in return). The
IRS has since backed down, but the suspicion remains that it was trying to
chill the political speech of those opposed to President Obama’s policies, in
violation of the First Amendment.

9. Graphic tobacco warnings

Late last year, the FDA issued regulations requiring cigarette manufacturers
to display graphic warnings on all packs of cigarettes that must cover at least
50% of the packaging and graphically portray tobacco-related illnesses. These
warnings violate the First Amendment because the government is compelling the
cigarette manufacturers to discourage their customers from buying their lawful
products. Last month, a federal judge blocked the new regulation, which was due
to go into effect in January, but the administration is appealing.

10. Health care waivers

The Department of Health and Human Services has granted nearly 2,000 waivers
to employers seeking relief from Obamacare’s onerous regulations. Nearly 20
percent of these waivers went to gourmet restaurants and other businesses in
Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco district. Nevada, home to Senate Majority Leader
Harry Reid, got a blanket waiver, while Republican-controlled states like
Indiana and Louisiana were denied. Even beyond the unseemly political
favoritism, such arbitrary dispensations violate a host of constitutional and
administrative law provisions ranging from equal protection to the
“intelligible principle” required for congressional delegation of
authority to cabinet agencies. Unlike 17th-century English monarchs, American
presidents were not granted dispensing powers: As we’ve seen, the power to
suspend a legal requirement can and will be used to arbitrarily favor the
politically connected. Moreover, most of these waivers were never authorized by
Congress in the first place!

11. Authorization of Execution Program and the Assassination of
American Citizen Anwar Aluaqui

After the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush gave the CIA, and later the military, authority
to kill U.S. citizens abroad if strong evidence existed that an
American was involved in organizing or carrying out terrorist actions against
the United States or U.S. interests, military and intelligence officials said.
. . .

The Obama administration has adopted the same stance. If a
U.S. citizen joins al-Qaeda, “it doesn’t really change anything from the
standpoint of whether we can target them,” a senior administration official
said. “They are then part of the enemy.”

Both the CIA and the JSOC maintain lists of individuals, called “High Value
Targets” and “High Value Individuals,” whom they seek to kill or capture. 
The JSOC list includes three Americans, including [New Mexico-born Islamic
cleric Anwar] Aulaqi, whose name was added late last year. As of several months
ago, the CIA list included three U.S. citizens, and an intelligence official
said that Aulaqi’s name has now been added. This is absurd for a free society to tolerate.
 

12. War with Libya

What a difference an election makes. The man who last summer singlehandedly
committed the United States to war against Libya, President Barack Obama, told
the Boston Globe in 2007:

“The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally
authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an
actual or imminent threat to the nation.”

In this Obama was absolutely correct. What, then, explains his reversal?
Three possibilities exist: (1) he never believed that the Constitution
constrains the President from initiating war but said he did in order to get
elected; (2) he believed it in 2007 but changed his mind upon taking office; or
(3) he believed it in 2007 and still believes it but thinks he can get away
with violating his oath of office because Congress is too timid to put the
brakes on the mission now that it is under way. None of these puts the
President in a particularly good light. Article 1 Section 8: Only Congress
shall have authority “To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and
make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water.”

13. Signing NDAA

President
Barack Obama signed a law on New Year’s Eve granting himself absolute power to
indefinitely detain American citizens suspected (by him) of being
“belligerents.” He promises he won’t use it, however.

On
December 31, 2011, with the President’s signing of the National Defense
Authorization Act (NDAA), the writ of habeas corpus — a civil right so
fundamental to Anglo-American common law history that it predates the Magna
Carta — is voidable upon the command of the President of the United States. The
Sixth Amendment right to counsel is also revocable at his will.

The
United States, as Senator Lindsey Graham declared during floor debate in the
Senate, is now a theatre in the War on Terror and Americans “can be
detained indefinitely … and when you say to the interrogator, ‘I want my
lawyer,’ the interrogator will say, ‘You don’t have a right to a lawyer because
you’re a military threat.’”

Don’t
worry, though. Although the President now wields this enormous power, he
adamantly denies that he will ever “authorize the indefinite military
detention without trial of American citizens.” That guarantee is all that
stands between American citizens and life in prison on arbitrary charges of
conspiring to commit or committing acts belligerent to the homeland.

14. Extension of the Patriot Act

In Feb, 2011 Congress passed a four
year extension of the PATRIOT Act. Lawmakers rejected all attempts to moderate
aspects of the legislation that weaken the Fourth Amendment. Obama used an auto
pen machine from France to sign the extension. Provisions of the PATRIOT Act were
set to expire at midnight. Congress would have signed the extension earlier if
not for the efforts of Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, who opposes the extension on
constitutional grounds, specifically its violations of the Fourth Amendment. In
addition, Paul proposed an amendment that would have placed restrictions on the
government’s ability to obtain gun purchase records. It was defeated 85-10. His
second amendment, limiting banks on their reporting of suspicious financial
transactions, was rejected 91-4.

15. Appointments to the National Labor Relations Board and the
Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

For someone who claims to be a
“constitutional scholar” and college lecturer, Obama is the most
constitutionally-illiterate president in history. In order to use his authority
to recess appoint another  who wouldn’t
pass congressional hearings, Obama would have to wait until Congress is in
recess for 3 days or more. Obama can’t wait so he wants to change the rules to
fit his own wants as President and make the appointment.

In 2008 then candidate Sen. Barack
Obama famously said: “This is part of the whole theory of George Bush that he
can make laws as he is going along. I disagree with that. I taught the
Constitution for 10 years. I believe in the Constitution and I will obey the
Constitution of the United States. We are not going to use signing statements
as a way of doing and end run around Congress.”

Much of what Obama has said has had
an expiration date as soon as he became president. He has decided on his own
when the Senate is in recess and when it is not. He’s overturned at least a
hundred years of precedent, and bypassed the Constitution’s advice and consent
requirement. These appointments performed by the circumvention of Congress,
though understandably unpopular are still the Representatives of the People and
acted beneath the role of the Executive in an unconstitutional manner.

  
I have about 10 more but I think that you get the point.

its a stupid question….there is only one person on this planet  that can know for sure if president obama is a christian or not. and that is president obama

Idiotic screeds like this only help the President, Thank you tin foil hat wearing numbskull.

Copy and paste much?

 Yeah…It’s only fair that Mediaite give Satan equal time.

 Hi…I’m Daniel.
Take me to your lions

froth funny…me big fan

From corri anderson

Corri: And my point is tolerance means accepting that while people are
different than us, they deserve the same rights.

Me: Everyone already has the same rights. The ones that are already one the books need to be enforced.

Corri: If you want to frame
that as homosexuality being forced on people legislatively then I call
bs on your last sentence.

Me: There is no authority in our Constitution for any legislative body to fore anything on us on expressly permitted in the Constitution.

Corri: Right now government is legislating the oppression of gay rights.  And they are amending the constitution in some
cases to do so. 

Me: I thought that everyone’s rights were equal under the law. And is it not the governments job to enforce the rights of individuals not groups? The government should have no role in marriage what so ever. It’s up to two people to decide if they are married. And because they should not be taxing us anyway, married or non-married status would not be reflected in the tax code because there would not be one.

Corri: I say let all people be equal, stop treating
homosexuality as a choice and then the world will be a better place. 
Otherwise I agree with your sentiment

Me: All people are equal under the law – and I am glad that you agree.  :)

(New reply to you up top)

“He belongs to the scum sucking communist labor unions…”

I had to laugh at that. It sounded too much like a movie quote.

 I sincerely appreciate the effort, sir/madam.

Hahahaha… Well, I’m sure he would have very different things to say about that whole “fall from heaven” thing.

Franklin Graham is right IMHO

Thank you for the clarification. I’ve done the same thing a time or two, got carried away trying to make a point and get it posted as quick as possible. I do get what you are saying though, and I totally agree.  I certainly don’t want the government ramming stuff down my throat that I didn’t ask for.

Giving of your own free will is charity. Giving to the Government is taxes. Jesus advocated that we pay our taxes. He said render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and unto God the things that are Gods. Our Constitution says it is by the people, of the people and for the people. It says we are to provide for the General Welfare. The government decides how we provide for the general welfare. After the first great depression, social security was instituted help people provide for their old age when they would no longer be able to work. Unemployment helped when they lost their job. Taxes are used to make our country a better place to live. We all want to live in a nice home with fresh air, clean water and enjoyable surroundings. I like the way the church taxes us according to our ability to pay. The more you have, the more you pay. That way, no one is impoverished and all take part. It is the height of selfishness to deny a hungry person food or a sick person aid. One way to think of it is to put yourself in the other person’s shoes. It is required of men to do so.

GOP = GOD’S OWN PARTY

 Considering what passes for “religious leadership” these days, I consider the fact that the religious-right doesn’t endorse Obama a bonus…Not that he needs it of course.

Funny that you take no issue with Obama QUADRUPLING the buyout of GM.

A founding principle? Then why does the phrase not appear in either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution?

Where does it appear? In a non-legally binding letter written in 1802 by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Church.

United States declared independent: 1776
Articles of Confederation Ratified: 1777
Constitution Ratified: 1789
First appearance of the phrase in case law, quoting the Jefferson letter: 1947 See: Everson v. Board of Education, 330 U.S. 1 (1947).

So let me get this straight, you think that a police officer REASONABLY searching a vehicle is unconstitutional even though it has been a part of case law since 1925. But think that Separation of Church and State is Constitutional, and it did not appear until 1947?

You see nothing wrong with that lack of logic?

 They can’t make up their minds, whatever they think will make him look worse at the time.

 I was with you until the MIB reference.  You got it mostly right though IMO. 

What I took from the sermon was that for the most part GOD has blessed America.  When we lived up to our ideals around the world we have been blessed.  But there are policies and times in our history when we have most definitely been in the wrong and have done wrong in the eyes of GOD.  Most of the time we have been blessed because of our actions as a nation, but there are times when we have been damned because of our actions.

One thing we can agree on though, is that this quote has been taken out of context and used to vilify Rev Wright.

 I lost any respect I may have had for Franklin Graham today because of his, correctly pointed out, double standard.  How in the world can he say he knows Santorum and Gingrich are Christians but doubts President Obama is a Christian and can only take him at his word?  He believes Gingrich who has broken his marriage covenant twice and changed his faith once over the President who has been faithful to one wife and one faith his whole life.

 The “uproar” will be by Catholic women who don’t agree with the Churches stand on birth control. Obama gave in and said the Church does not have to pay for coverage and yet that is still not enough for the sexist Bishops.  What is said in public and what is done in the voting booth are not necessarily the same thing, my friend.  Most Catholic women will not vote for Santorum  – especially not after the GOP in Virginia is trying to pass a bill where women can be legally forced to submit to an exam that they don’t want. They have gone too far. The Church has always been a “good ole’ boys” club where women were second class citizens.  Plus everyone knows that jobs are up, the stock market is up, Bin Laden is dead, the war is over and General Motors has a great sales record. What else do the crazies have to complain about. I say—-if the churches don’t like the rules – fine – let them pay taxes.

 You are absolutely right about Graham.  Only God knows where people stand with Him. Anyone else who claims to have that information is a fool and is not acting like a Christian. Billy Graham is a great man,,,,it does not sound like his son is following in this Dad’s footsteps.

 You are so right…but I do remember a part that says a person shall not be elected President BECAUSE of his religion. I wonder if Santorum read that part.

 Froth- You obviously believe all them lies that Pastor Limbaugh preaches.

OBVIOUSLY

The idea that God favors one country over another is very poor theology.  That is no more true than to say that God favors one football team over another or that we can “earn” salvation or people are punished with a terrible disease because God is angry with them.

 Here is what President Eisenhower said about religion and government office. He was right on.  “Our government has no sense unless it is founded in a deeply felt religious faith, and I don’t care what it is.”

 Road- your comment about homosexuals says you have no understanding at all.  No one can “force” anyone to be homosexual. They just are and have always been. If you don’t believe that, ask yourself, if someone said to you that, starting tomorrow, you have to have a relationship with another male…you would say, I can’t do that. And you are right…you can’t – unless you are born gay.  Because they are people, and American, they should have the same rights as anyone else. Sexual orientation, should not matter in this country. If you don’t like them for religious reasons….that is your right.  They too have rights.

FROTH READ BUT THOUGHT THAT PART WAS STUPID.

I’m right and YOU’RE wrong.

Again, want proof? Show this post to your grandparents. They will deny that they know you.

Hear that sound from upstairs? Dinner’s on. Make sure you turn off the “X” so it doesn’t burn-into the TV like last time, k sparky?

I want individual freedom for the People – all People. There is absolutely nothing controversial about that position. Freedom and individualism allows people to be who they are – and every individual is protected equally under the Constitution regardless of who they are, their lifestyle, status in society, or the role they play in the world.

I deeply believe that and the protection of our rights under Natural Law can and should in no way be misunderstood. It’s a belief that the founders had. It’s a belief that many Americans hold and hold dearly. Never once have I mentioned faith or religion in any post here – I have not made one religious reference what so ever and it has not even occured in any of my conversations. I don’t see homosexuality as a religious issue anyway.  If two people love each other it’s their business.

So where ever the quote “If you don’t like them for religious reasons….that is your right” came from… perhaps Mars or some distant nebulae in the corner of someone’s brain, is deeply offensive. You’ve jumped into the conversation assuming that was my position without even discovering or reading what it was to begin with. If my position  is to be misconstrued and twisted by some illogical conclusion that I “have no understanding of homosexuality at all” then there is nothing short of actually being a gay man that would satisfy your complaint.  

On that note, I’ll just have to disappoint you. And my apologies in advance is offered to anyone who is offended by individual freedoms, Constitutional protections, and the right to freely associate with whom ever you please without interference from government, sanctioned bodies, or fellow citizens. It’s your business and no one else’s.

Shut up Todd. Freakin Dolt.

Jefferson’s Letter to the Danbury Baptists

The original letter says: “… I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.” Jefferson reflected his frequent speaking theme that the government is not to interfere with religion.

Principle, in the sense that a religion was not declared in our founding documents – anywhere. And since in the 1st Amendment “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” It’s clearly understood as a separation of church and state.

So just shut it. Just shut the hell up. You look like a dumb @ss everytime you post. You got your @ss kicked last night and if you keep up the “ticky-tac assume everyone’s a moron and only you hold the keys to the lawful universe” legalism, then I’ll wipe the floor with you tonight and then whip it again for not gettin’ up in the corners. 

You fail to realize that it was you that lost last night in your own ignorance. Want to go another round? I am game.

So Jefferson states that Government is not to interfere in religion, but that is eaxctly what the Supreme Court did in every decision that it made concerning religion and state organizations. Remember there are two religion clauses. “Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of a Religion”…”or the free practice thereof…” Every SCOTUS decision VIOLATES the Free Practice clause, and SCOTUS in the GOVERNMENT according to Jefferson’s letter, and your own assertion. There is no clear wall of separation in the Constitution, because neither the words Separation nor Church appear in the entire document.

Jefferson’s letter had no legal status until 1947.

There was no religion in our founding documents? Are you serious? Where do these quotes come from?
“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

“And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”

I will make it easy for your intellectually challenged mind, they all come from the Declaration of Independence, and represent the deep faith of the Founders that wrote and signed it. You should also note that an esteemed Academic and President ignored those statements when he wrote about that document, that would be Woodrow Wilson.

How about these quotes, where do they come from?
“Article III. The said States hereby severally enter into a firm league of friendship with each other, for their common defense, the security of their liberties, and their mutual and general welfare, binding themselves to assist each other, against all force offered to, or attacks made upon them, or any of them, on account of religion, sovereignty, trade, or any other pretense whatever.”

“Whereas the Delegates of the United States of America in Congress assembled did on the fifteenth day of November in the Year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy seven, and in the Second Year of the Independence of America, agree to certain articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the States of New Hampshire, Massachusetts-bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, in the words following, viz:”

“In Witness whereof we have hereunto set our hands in Congress. Done at Philadelphia in the State of Pennsylvania the ninth Day of July in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven Hundred and Seventy-eight, and in the Third Year of the independence of America.”

Those come from the Articles of Confederation.

“Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names. ”

That is from the Constitution, we already know that the First Amendment addresses religion you lying sack of trash.

So before you try to issue me an order that you cannot enforce, make sure that you are not running away at the keyboard with your own displays of ignorance. So who is the real dolt here?

 RoadtoSurfdom,
Once again you display you lack of understanding of the Constitution. What does Article I, Section 8, Clause 18  mean then?
“To make all Laws which shall be necessary and
proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other
Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States,
or in any Department or Officer thereof.”

If the Obama Administration is to win its case for Obamacare before SCOTUS  it will be on this clause alone.

You’re the one asking for clarification yet you claim that I am the one who lacks in understanding. That’s rich. It’s the same as admitting that you’re starving for food and begging for some morsel from the guy who you claim is also starving. Yet in reality he’s well fed.

Article I Section 8 Clause 18 is as follows “To make all Laws
which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the
foregoing Powers, and other Powers vested by this Constitution in the
Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer
thereof”.

If Obama is to distort, twist, and entirely pervert Article I Section 8 Clause 18 to mean nationalized socialized healthcare, which it is not, then his entire argument is undermined by the 10th amendment alone. The tenth Amendment of the Constitution makes this very clear that
unless the Constitution has granted the “United States” authority to do
something it is without it  “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”.

Forcing a financial mandate, I don’t see how that’s going to be declared Constitutional. It should be entirely overturned on that provision alone. They’ve already turned down chunks of the plan in lower courts. It will be intersting to see what the Supreme Court decides. Up or down, either way a lot of people are going to be pissed. 

 Tell that to the people of sodom and gomorrah.  Oh that’s right you can’t.

Per the Constitution of the United
States of America:

Article Six: The Senators and
Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State
Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United
States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to
support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a
Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

 The Second Amendment states: ““Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment
of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”.

Roadto, Scheller is one of the more famous trolls on the internet. He stalks people and harasses them from site to site. Ignore him and he will stalk someone else.

He’s also a Constitution scholar

God, you’re dumb. The Constitution declares corporations are people and every SCOTUS decision violates a free exercise clause?

Which is it, scheller-ino, are they always correct or not always correct. And, where did you get your law degree? West Virginia Department of Corrections Work Study program? A prison lawyer.

The jailhouse lawyer strikes again!

The jailhouse lawyer strikes again!

Where did I say that the Constitution makes corporations people? SCOTUS did that in 1819, years after the Constitution was passed.

Never claimed to have a law degree moron.

Your comments are totally taken out of context and misconstrued. More like the Christian being thrown to the lions. Franklin was totally set up. Shame on you and your media matters talking points, Tommy. There are none so blind as those who will not see. You’re a disgrace to your profession…as are the MSNBCreants.

I asked what it means to you, not for clarification. It is clear to me what it means.

Why do you not understand that what appears in the Articles outweighs the Amendments, unless the change the Articles? There is this thing called the Supremacy Clause.

But to destroy your X Amendment argument, lets look at that Amendment: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Clearly, the power to make laws which are “necessary and proper” is DELEGATED by the Constitution, prior to the ratification of the X Amendment, so in no way does passing a law infringe on the rights of the states. What that law causes them to do however might.

For those too stupid (like this guy) to understand that a jailhouse lawyer is INCARCERATED, and there is no way for me to be one as I am not INCARCERATED. If Jailhouse lawyers were so successful how did they end up in jail in the first place?

Stalker doesn’t appear to get any smarter, even with the correct information spoon fed to him, Todd.

So far you have proven to be a scholar of ….NOTHING.

He has a problem swallowing the truth, it does not taste the same as the fecal matter that he is used to swallowing.

much the same as you, McDonald’s frycook

jailhouse = where you work
lawyer = what you think you are

The rest is just semantics

Don’t have one, but I can tell when someone doesn’t understand the law, i.e., you. You are hysterical. The SCOTUS says something you like, so it’s legal but not in the Constitution. But, then when it says something you don’t like, then it’s not in Constitution and wrong.

Ha

Jefferson’s opinion as a signer of the Constitution means nothing, but an aside from a clerk on an unrelated matter is holy to the scheller!

Does the little girl want to come out and play or is she still too afraid? Following the advice of this jailhouse stalker ain’t gonna help you, oingo

Now, he’s teaching!

When did Thomas Jefferson sign the Constitution? He was not even in the country at the time, being Minster to France. You got busted in your lie.

Where have I said SCOTUS was wrong?

It is all a lie.

Wrong again, I was a Manager. Keep the lies coming.

Stalker, where’s the lark in the games you play with yourself?  You set the rules, for you possess no firm convictions, and they alternate with whatever reality you espouse at any given time….much like the school yard bully, who with his
deep held belief in his inferiority changes the makeup of school yard rules to 
affect the outcome of said games.   

Fortunately, there are those of us more discerning of mind who recognize your tactics, and reject your infantile attempts at baiting….for we in truth are the sportsman who enjoy hooking you with our lure…in this case Robert Clewells : Snakebait cira: 1926, and the Coldwater Hell Diver 1918.

The Coldwater Hell Diver has been found with glass eyes (rare) but usually has no eyes….sound familiar my little fish in a big pond of Conservatives?

LMAOAYS

gee, oingo, I wonder where I learned these tactics? From the McDonald’s fry cook who stalks people, makes trollish comments, never addresses the point of the article, makes mistakes without admitting to them, peevishly corrects grammar while making mistakes all the time, accuses people of lying, calls strangers names EVERY day (even on his dang lunch hour) on the internet, fellates Glenn Beck (in a rhetorical sense)

and then has the balls to whine when someone does the same to him. I am a mirror to the problem. Don’t like it? Well, talk to scheller-kins and his sock puppets and get them to stop stalking people and to stop trolling other sites.

Otherwise, realize the f**k where you are’, cause this is Mediaite, not Glenn’s retardo website

Now we can add unAmerican to your lists of attributes, no?
Internet is for everyone, all viewpoints. Just because you don’t desire to hear it won’t make it magically disappear, Stalker.

I would wager using previous posts as guide, that you come by your negative traits honestly.

What is most important to you is denigrating a posters character first, using mean-spirited discourse to accentuate the negative…this is your drug of choice, “what gets you off”…for you have no desire to learn, or even listen to an opposing viewpoint.

I and others, spend hours reading others posts, I don’t agree with all of them, yet I try to see how they arrived at their conclusions, I do not dismiss them out of hand, unless patently false.

Stalker and timb116 are the same person.

Armand1, heck, if I would have known that, I wouldn’t have bothered…but it was so much fun responding to him just this last time…for he truly isn’t worth my time, nor effort…his mind is closed, and IQ in ample evidence for all to witness, no?

bullcrap. you support a braying jackass who spends his days methodically annoying people, because he can.

How much do they pay you, oingo, to monitor these accounts?

My mind is closed to a stalker who snipes from the weeds and calls people trash and accuses strangers of lying on the internet. Here’s an idea, oingo boingo, post a political opinion and we can debate it. Since all you do is sit around and throw shyt at the fan (like the other schellers), I’m not sure you have an opinion on any contemporary political issue

Still waiting for ANY political opinion.