Bill Kristol on Trump-Cohen Tape: If Giuliani Wanted It Out, ‘There’s Much Worse To Come’ on the Other Tapes


On Tuesday night, #NeverTrump conservative Bill Kristol weighed in on the newly-released Trump Cohen tape that recorded the discussion between then-candidate Donald Trump and his personal lawyer Michael Cohen about the payoff to former Playboy model Karen McDougal.

Kristol began by attempting to decipher the “method” to Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani‘s “madness,” which is putting out things that are “somewhat damaging” to the president in order to make them “less damaging” down the road.

“It makes me wonder what’s on the other tapes. What are they really worried about?” Kristol told MSNBC’s Brian Williams. “Why this tape, if that’s even the complete tape? Why did they wave privilege on- why did they want this one out? To me, that’s a question. It makes me think there’s much worse to come and they’re very worried. I’ve got to think the Trump camp based on Giuliani’s behavior here and Trump’s own behavior… they must be be very worried about what’s coming up with Cohen or [Paul] Manafort or from the special counsel directly.”

The Weekly Standard editor-at-large said that we’re all “getting use to the fact that Trump lied” about the alleged affairs, and that if his people put this tape out, that “there’s worse to come.”

“If you have a lot of problems that you don’t have very good arguments for, muddy the waters,” Kristol continued. “At the end of the day we have good attorneys talking about what they would do if they were prosecutors or criminal defense attorneys, but President Trump’s not going to be prosecuted in court for crime while he’s a president. So it all becomes for Trump muddying the waters enough so he has a solid number of senators and maybe members of the House to stop impeachment. I think it’s all about muddying the waters, so it’s not clear. The FISA thing is problematic and don’t believe what you say and this tape’s confusing and let’s have a debate about who said the word cash for the next day or two. So I think he’s — given they have a weak hand to play because I suspect the facts aren’t on their side, I think they’re trying it muddy the waters.”

Kristol theorized that end game for Team Trump is to make this all “so confusing” so that by the time Robert Mueller finally releases his findings, most Americans will shrug it off.

Watch the clip above, via MSNBC.

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