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Stephanie Ruhle and Kris Kobach Get Into Heated Debate Over DACA: ‘I’m Sorry, Sir, No!’

Kris Kobach took time out from his busy schedule as Kansas Secretary of State, vice chairman on President Donald Trump’s Advisory Commission for Election Integrity, and paid Breitbart columnist to appear on MSNBC to speak out against DACA (which Trump is reportedly on the verge of ending).

Appearing on Velshi & Ruhle Friday, Kobach got into it with Stephanie Ruhle over criminals being granted amnesty through the program. Kobach stated that those who have been charged with a crime are still eligible.

“Well, actually, it’s not correct to say if you haven’t committed a crime you’re not in DACA,” Kobach said. “Actually, DACA allows you to get the amnesty as long as you haven’t been convicted.”

Ruhle pushed back hard on that idea — stating that, in the eyes of the law, a conviction is required to consider someone a criminal.

“Hold on a second,” she said. “If you haven’t been convicted, you haven’t committed a crime.”

Kobach countered:

“What happens is a lot of gangbangers get arrested but the state won’t have the resources to prosecute all of them,” Kobach said. “And so they are released.”

Ruhle eventually interjected after Kobach kept up his argument.

“I’m sorry, sir, no!” Ruhle said. She added, “You’re presumed innocent until proven guilty in the United States of America.”

Watch above, via MSNBC.

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