“Isn’t it significant that after all the hue and cry, after all these revelations by Snowden, the president has in effect ended this debate by saying, ‘These programs are going to stick around, I need them to keep the country safe?'” Gregory asked.
“It’s very hard to imagine fundamental changes in the program against President Obama’s wishes,” guest Newt Gingrich said.
“That’s the question,” Gregory said. “Reformers: are they going to say, ‘No, we’re going to challenge these programs, we want to still stop this bulk collection of data?'”
“Reformers are already saying they
“All the more reason for Congress to step up and have a real debate,” Gregory said, though he had just suggested Obama had ended the debate. “Look, cat’s out of the bag on a lot of stuff. Go down there and say what you’re for.”
Watch the full clip below, via NBC News:
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