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Sebastian Gorka currently serves as the Senior Director of Counter-Terrorism under President Donald Trump and recently sat for a tough but fair interview conducted by BBC Newsnight presenter Victoria Darbyshire. Things did not go well.

At issue are recent developments surrounding the Trump administration’s efforts to end the bloodshed in Ukraine, which has been curiously labeled as  the “War with Russia/Ukraine” in a recent Trump social media post seeking peace and an end to the blood shed in the region. That label overlooks the fact that the bloodshed is entirely the responsibility of Vladimir Putin, who directed his military to invade the former Soviet Republic.

Yet the Trump administration’s peace talks appear to suggest that Putin will end the invasion if he can keep the land he invaded. As Darbyshire paraphrased recent comments made by Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, “It was unrealistic for Ukraine to want to go back to its pre-2014 borders.”

“That is saying to President Putin, you can keep the land you took by force,” Darbyshire asked, putting a fine point of rewarding bad behavior by ceding land taken by force.

“Well, geopolitics and politics is the art of the possible,” Gorka deflected before challenging the BBC presenter to come up with her own solution.

“So my question to you would be, what are you proposing? Is the British army going to deploy to the Donbass or to Crimea?” Gorka asked,

hitting a note often heard on the campaign trail that the US does more than its share of international policing. “President Trump wants the bloodshed to end, not to live in some cloud cuckoo land of that which is impossible. So the fact is the fighting will cease because of President Trump, not thanks to the failure of Biden or Obama.”

The discourse went from bad to worse, though to her credit, Darbyshire stayed on her well-informed interrogation but the defensive tenor of Gorka’s replies devolved into insults, culminating in him insulting his host by telling Darbyshire “You should be ashamed of yourself!”

Watch above via the BBC.