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Ex-presidential niece Mary Trump is certain that former First Daughter Ivanka Trump will “throw Trump under the bus” when she testifies in the fraud trial currently unfolding in New York.

Former President Donald Trump has appeared frequently during his trial in the fraud case brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James and presided over by Judge Arthur Engoronwho enraged Trump by ordering Ivanka to testify in person.

Mary Trump — host of The Mary Trump Show podcast and a strident Trump critic — previewed this week’s fraud trial happenings with Molly Jong-Fast in a video exclusive to her The Good In Us newsletter subscribers. Bith agreed Ivanka will damage Trump by telling the truth:

MARY: It would have to be somebody wanting to launder a lot of money. But, yes, it’s a business separate and apart from the property, and it’s very complicated and it’s really not worth a billion, trillion, gazillion dollars.I think the adult children, and Donny is the least equipped to do this. They’re going to have to walk a very thin line between obfuscating in a way that’s not perjury and appeasing their father’s ego so that he doesn’t throw them under the bus when he testifies, which of course he’s going to do no matter what they do.MOLLY: Not Ivanka.MARY: No. She’s just going to tell the truth

and throw him under the bus.MOLLY: Right. But I think Ivanka is sort of the Keyser Söze of this whole thing.Don Jr. does whatever he can to protect his dad and make his dad love him. And Eric, same. But Ivanka, her husband manages $2 billion of Saudi money.MARY: She’s legitimately wealthy, unlike the rest.MOLLY: Right. She’s legitimately wealthy through her husband’s business, which is built on her father’s connections. But still, she doesn’t have to sell hats to buy her jewelry. She has money. She’s not just selling the water and the old steaks. She doesn’t have to design plastic shoes. She’s moved on. You could see her just going up there saying whatever she wants to say, daddy protecting her, and ultimately her being the linchpin. I don’t think that’s what happens. But I do think she ends up being the most unscathed because why wouldn’t she be?MARY: Right. I think Donald would throw her under the bus if he needed to because he doesn’t care about anybody, but I also do find it very interesting and harder or trickier for Donald that she’s now testifying after he does.MOLLY: Yeah.

The full interview is available here via Mary Trump’s The Good In Us.