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MSNBC’s Eugene Daniels couldn’t help but chuckle while reporting on House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) and others referring to President Donald Trump as an “FBI informant” against Jeffrey Epstein.

On Saturday’s The Weekend, Daniels couldn’t suppress his laughter after listening to Johnson call Trump an “FBI informant” while he denied Trump referred to calls for more Epstein files to be released as a “hoax.”

Johnson said:

He’s not saying that what Epstein did is a hoax, it’s a terrible, unspeakable evil. He believes that himself. When he first heard the rumor, he kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago. He was an FBI informant to try to take this stuff down. The president knows and has great sympathy for the women who’ve suffered these unspeakeable harms. It’s detestable to him. He and I have spoken about this as recently as 24 hours ago. What he’s talking about is the Democrats who are doing this with impure motives.

There is no evidence that the president ever acted as an “FBI informant.” What Johnson may be referring to is attorney Bradley Edwards, who represents some of Epstein’s victims, referring to “help” he received from Trump during an original investigation into Epstein that led to the billionaire becoming a convicted child sex predator.

Edwards spoke this week next to victims of Epstein

in a call for more documents related to the billionaire to be released. Edwards accused Trump of flip flopping on Epstein with his “hoax” talk. Epstein died of an apparent suicide in 2019 while being charged with sex trafficking.

“He didn’t think that it was a hoax then. In fact, he helped me. He got on the phone. He told me things that were helping our investigation. Now, our investigation wasn’t looking into him, but he was helping us then. He didn’t treat this as a hoax,” Edwards said.

On Saturday, Daniels pushed back on Johnson’s explanation for Trump referring to Epstein files as a “hoax.”

Now, apparently President Trump is telling the Speaker of the House this is detestable. He has not said those words to the public at any point as this has moved around. Nancy Mace has also brought up this idea that President Trump was an FBI informant against Epstein,” Daniels said, chuckling and throwing his hands up.

The host noted there has been no “evidence” to back up the informant claim.

“What do you think is behind it politically? Because it feels like a kind of a reframing of him as some hero in all of this,” Daniels asked Maya Wiley, a former attorney with the U.S. Southern District of New York.

“You know, a big part of politics, particularly crass and undemocratic politics, are to put

some really dirty laundry and try to clean it by spinning it,” Wiley said. “That’s what’s happening here.”

Watch above via MSNBC.