Maybe Ed can play the clips of Obama threatening not to give out Social Security checks. Holding granny hostage, as it were, so he could get his agenda through.

Maybe Ed can play the video of Obama threatening a veto of any bill that didn’t extend the debt ceiling into 2013 so he could avoid talking about it for his re-election (which he got, and we still got downgraded). Holding the country hostage.

Maybe Ed can read us the stories of Obama scuttling a compromise that had been reached by the House GOP and Senate Dems becuase it didn’t have enough tax hikes and it wasn’t long-term enough for him to avoid having to deal with this again in the middle of his oh-so-important re-election campaign. 

Maybe Ed can stop licking Obama’s boots for 5 seconds and recognize that our country’s leader is an unqualified failure at his job, and that his continued presence in the White House following the stupid legislation he’s championed like ObamaCare and Dodd-Frank, is causing the economic uncertainty Ed so angrily decries.

Maybe Ed can stop blaming the only people in the government who have been demanding that we stop spending trillions of dollars we don’t have on stuff we don’t need or want so that we can get our spending back in line with our revenues, which are adequate.

Maybe Ed can be honest. But I doubt it.

Reminds me of the  Maury Povich show.

Typical msnbcer…blame the tea party…Ed like his colleagues at the network (both broadcast and cable) have their DNC talking points down pat.

Sometimes its scarey how stupid people are.

A little bit of honesty at nbc/msnbc would be nice.

Everyone in the Schultz crowd was a Union hack who called in ‘sick.’

Rick Santelli said it first (at least first to be loud about it) and said it best.  Stop Spending!  Stop Spending! Stop Spending!…  He tried to break through the nonsense coming from the administration and its supporters but they wouldn’t listen and kept spending and kept coming up with new programs to increase spending, continuing to ignore what the public was saying (that they are broke, trying to reduce their debt, and the government should too) so the Tea Party began to take shape then caught on because it epitomises what most Americans think – Stop Spending!!!    The admin supporters can spin their coordinated talking points all they want, it doesn’t change the message – stop spending.

Yeah, Ed. Here is photographic proof of the Tea Party’s responsibility.

http://tinyurl.com/3ojx7p7

What a bunch of terrorists, huh?

Holding granny hostage?

Are you retarded?

Your side is getting rid of medicare, sticking granny with medical bills she can’t pay, and Obama is taking her hostage because Republicans won’t compromise?

You need some help.

Maybe Ed can play the clips of Obama threatening not to give out Social
Security checks. Holding granny hostage, as it were, so he could get his
agenda through.

And maybe Ed could also play the clips of St. Ronald making the same “threats” so he could get his agenda through.

Well,we sure now have proof that MSDNC is the official political arm of the Democratic party. Rachel Maddow claims Fox News is a political operation, whereas MSNBC
is a news organization. http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2010/11/08/rachel-maddows-nickels-and-dimes/ [Nickels & dimes]

Who threatened to stop sending SS checks? Obama.

Back in December 2010, I wrote:
“If the European debt crisis teaches us anything, it’s that tomorrow
always comes. Sooner or later, the markets will expect us to settle the
bill for the enormous Obama-Pelosi-Reid spending binge. We’ve already
been warned by the credit ratings agency Moody’s that unless we get
serious about reducing our deficit, we may face a downgrade of our
credit rating.” And again in January, in response to President Obama’s
State of the Union address I wrote:
“With credit ratings agency Moody’s warning us that the federal
government must reverse the rapid growth of national debt or face losing
our triple-A rating, keep in mind that a nation doesn’t look so ‘great’
when its credit rating is in tatters.”
 
One doesn’t need a
Harvard Law degree to figure this out! Just look across the pond at
Europe. European nations with less debt and smaller deficits than ours
and with real “austerity” plans in place to deal with them have had
their ratings downgraded. By what magical thinking did we figure we
could run up perpetual trillion dollar deficits and still somehow avoid
the unforgiving mathematics of a downgrade? Nothing is ever “too big to
fail.” And there’s no such thing as a free lunch. Didn’t we all learn
that in our micro and macro econ classes? I did at the University of
Idaho. How could Obama skip through Columbia and Harvard without
learning that?
 
Many commonsense Americans like myself saw
this day coming. In fact, in June 2010, Rick Santelli articulated the
view of independent Tea Party patriots everywhere when he shouted on CNBC,
“I want the government to stop spending! Stop spending! Stop spending!
Stop spending! STOP SPENDING!” So, how shamelessly cynical and dishonest
must one be to blame this inevitable downgrade on the very people who
have been shouting all along “stop spending”? Blaming the Tea Party for
our credit downgrade is akin to Nero blaming the Christians for burning
Rome. Tea Party Americans weren’t the ones “fiddling” while our
country’s fiscal house was going up in smoke. In fact, we commonsense
fiscal conservatives were the ones grabbing for the extinguishers while
politically correct politicians and their cronies buried their heads in
what soon became this bonfire.

http://tinyurl.com/3prpqpz

Go ahead. Argue with that. Any of it.

So? He didn’t. 

Awww someone’s upset Ed Schultz has a crowd…wahhhhh

Yeah, because he got what he wanted; all the money he wants to borrow before the next election.

AstroTurf: Latter in the show when he talked with the audience you’ll see that the unions bused in most of the 1000 they had there. Notice the camera angles? Never a wide-out.

The debt accumulated long before teaparty members were elected. Liberals and progressives first blamed George Bush for the poor economy, and Obama got elected. I agree Bush turned out to be a ‘big spender’. After Obama shoved the Obamacare down the throats of American people in making a ‘fundamental change’ and redistributing the wealth, teaparty emerged as a backlash. Likes of Ed Schultz, Chris Matthews, and even so called journalists like Contessa Brewer labeled them ‘racist’. In 2010, people did not fall for this false ’racist’ lables and elected teaparty memebrs giving GOP the majority.
During Bush administration, the Democrats including Sen Obama voted against raising debt ceiling calling it a failure of leader ship. The same Democrats called teaparty members as ‘terrorist’ who opposed raising debt ceiling without cutting federal outlays. What about the Democrats who voted along with the teaparty members who voted against raising debt ceiling, are they not the terrorists also?
WH used federal bond ratings as one of the excuses to raise the debt ceiling, at that time even Moody agreed. After the debt ceiling was raised, S&P finally reexamined the credit worthyness of Federal Bonds as was the implied threat by the WH during negotiations resulting in actual down grade, WH found another party that can be blamed, now the list grows Bush, Teaparty, and S&P. It is always someone else. What happened to the party of Truman? When will the buck stop with Obama?
Ed is an idiot, a big mouth whiner. He is stupid and can’t help himself, remember what he called Laura Ingharam for which he was suspended. Reemeber the temper-tantrum even against Griffin on the schedule change. Ed is not a political pundit, he is the true face of pathetic and tragic political comedy. I label Ed as the pathetic face of comedy, because Jon Stewart is the true political activist in the shroud of clever comedy.  

But he made the threat…Democrats always like to punish the old folk…except I am one and I am damn sure not threatened by the.

Breaking down Ed’s video: A bunch of old people listen as a speaker talks about some ‘them’ blaming the Tea Party for the downgrade, the speaker’s tone does not suggest this is a cheering point. Off camera you hear  cheering (from what sounds like 1 to 3 people) but no one on the camera reacts, in fact the audience appears to be sitting on its hands.  
To say the Tea Party is cheering is a very nice piece of propaganda from Ed.   Goebbles would be proud.

Again more nonsense from Yogi… The weath has been redistributed long before Obama. The gap between rich and poor is the largest it has ever been and it has been because of Republican economic policies. Please oh great Yogi tell us your interpetation of how the gap between the rich and poor has become so wide. Please enlighten us on how Obama’s heathcare plan has anything to do with it. All you retarded republicans are going to get your ass handed to you today in Wisconsin. It’s going to be great!

Pablum from Pablo… AGain please read this over and over until you finally understand. On the reason for the down grade… This is direct from the S&P release; “Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act.” Republicans refusal to RAISE REVENUES is the reason for the downgrade. It is here in B&W from S&P. Stop being stupid.

On the reason for the down grade… This is direct from the S&P release; “Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act.” Republicans refusal to RAISE REVENUES is the reason for the downgrade. It is here in B&W from S&P.

Basically he is saying Cut jobs, cut jobs, cut jobs… Are you nuts? Every dollar taken from the federal budget directly corresponds with a lost job. Why are you so idiotic as to want a ploiicy that is going to lose ANY job at this point?

The loony libs are livid that no one is buying their new meme, of a tea-party downgrade.  Deal with it!

ps, Who is it again that it appears made around a billion $’s from the downgrade?……Oh yeah, liberal icon, George Soros!

Your analysis is SPOT ON Lt., however acknowledging those things would break up the left’s current meme blaming the Tea Party.

What is it with democrats and living in the past? 

You now you don’t have a pot to piss in pal. You can tell by the clueless vitriol. You have watched FOX news to the point of embalment. It oozes from your pores. Again… education level and jobs created, please just spit it out. Tell us why you would possibly be on the side of right wing?

Oy…..

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/24/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-if-theres-government-shutdown-so/

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20078789-503544.html

Sgt. Schultz wants to be as popular as Glenn Beck so bad, he’s emulating him now.  That crowd was probably real, but it was probably every single person who watches that fat doofuse’s show.

Yes please come to the Victory party tonight in Wisconsin. Morn lady please read below and repeat as many times as necessary to understand why it is a TeaTard Downgrade.On the reason for the down grade… This is direct from the S&P release; “Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act.” Republicans refusal to RAISE REVENUES is the reason for the downgrade. It is here in B&W from S&P.

Hey libs, good luck with your recall.  You’re gonna need it since thanks to Gov. Walkers great work you now have a SURPLUS!!

The left can’t keep their attacks straight, are the Tea Party a bunch of terrorists that caused the downgrade or are S&P a bunch of brain dead idiots that unnecessarily downgraded us?  It can’t be both.

*citation needed.

S&P was certainly buying it.  It’s the reason they gave for the downgrade.

Whiney assed progressives that think they deserve what everyone else has, and it should be given to them. When your boy Barney Frank and Chris Dodd tried to help all the wannabees get the big old house they felt they deserved and the Republicans said it was going to cause a crisis, the repub’s were ignored and their concerns became the meltdown. All you progressives seem to have forgotten 4-5% unemployment, people getting rich on the false housing boom, everyone was happy in the ’02-07 time frame until the dem’s got control of the both houses of Congress. You’ll never admit the truth, so I don’t know why I am wasting my breath.

Straight from Daddy Warbuck’s Soros and his minions at Move-On:

We’ve had enough. Late Friday afternoon, the United States had its credit rating downgraded for the first time in our history. The
“tea party downgrade” came largely because Republicans in Congress
blocked each and every attempt to make the rich and big corporations pay
their fair share. It’s up to us to make sure Congress hears how angry we are at what’s happening right now in America.

So the unions really were damaging the local economy in WI.  Hopefully we can widen the net and reign in the rest of the power from the corrupt unions across the nation.

Obamacare cuts half a trillion dollars from Medicare in order to fund it, and that was passed entirely by Democrats on party line votes.

You remember that, don’t you? When the Democrats held Congress and the WH, and didn’t raise taxes (which we MUST DO NOW for some reason) becuase they were in the middle of a drunken spending spree and couldn’t be bothered to do something they thought would imperil their majority?

How’d that end up working out for everyone?

Obamacare cuts half a trillion dollars from Medicare in order to fund it, and that was passed entirely by Democrats on party line votes.

You remember that, don’t you? When the Democrats held Congress and the WH, and didn’t raise taxes (which we MUST DO NOW for some reason) becuase they were in the middle of a drunken spending spree and couldn’t be bothered to do something they thought would imperil their majority?

How’d that end up working out for everyone?

Barry couldn’t have been to blame for the meltdown, he never does anything except whine. Obama Whine, the finest whine available to all who love whiners. Those who can do, those who can’t teach, head on back to Harvard whiney boy, we need a man to step up to the plate in a difficult time. Where’s hillary when you need him?

New drinking game: Every time a leftwinger rants about Fox News in a thread that has nothing to do with Fox News, take a drink.

No, he said stop spending.

Government spending does not create jobs. Raising taxes does not create jobs. Getting the country’s credit rating (which was inherited as AAA) downgraded does not create jobs.

Send this memo to your President and your party.

Name calling, is that you wetspot. Whine whine whine, that’s all we get from your side. Sorry, douchebag, but the shit’s about to hit the fan, and the teaparty racist haters are going to make your progressive lives miserable, because they are right.

Special Ed is off his meds again!!

Would someone please remind the over grown drag queen that the Dems controlled all 3 branches when the budget bill was due!!

If it wasn’t for the Tea Party, Obama and Reid would have raised the debt ceiling without ANY cuts.

DElusional dflojak… What is your whine about? The gap between rcih and poor is the greatest it has ever been. what caused it? Republican economic policies? How else do you explain it? How much has your weath increased in thepast 30 years? The top 1% has increased 247% while the rest has remianed flat. Go figure it out wise ass.

Well you will be drunk very quickly but it won’t matter. Fox News will sound the same to you whether drunk or sober. It is still baseless lies masquerading as news.

Ed, the fact that many of us predicted the economic mess created by Obama doesn’t mean we cheered for it.   But we will probably breathe a sigh of relief when the cause of this disaster is voted out of office.   And it’s increasingly clear that will happen in November of next year.

Actually Smelly Kat, out of control spending was the main cause. And if you listen to Barney Frank, it’s the military spending.  Why do you libs hate our military so much?

Yeah, Ed’s entire listening audience showed up in a union bus. Here’s your opportunity to estimate the crowds like they did comparing Ed’s washington fiasco with Glenn Beck’s, Ed had “a million, no a billion, maybe a trillion more people than Glenn!” They even f’d up the photoshop on that one.

Do your own research, dummy.

Unless you plan on paying me?

I see fat Ed brought all his terrorist to town once again to hold Wisconsin hostage. Is this guy trying to be the Jessy Jackson of terrorist ?

i can’t, I have to work for a living. Oops, that exposes me as a damned republican, sorry.

This is why cherry-picking what you want to read and ignoring the other 1000+ words in the press release is hazardous Here’s the very next paragraph:

Our revised upside scenario–which, other things being equal, we view
as consistent with the outlook on the ‘AA+’ long-term rating being
revised to stable–retains these same macroeconomic assumptions. In
addition, it incorporates $950 billion of new revenues on the assumption
that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for high earners lapse from 2013
onwards, as the Administration is advocating. In this scenario, we
project that the net general government debt would rise from an
estimated 74% of GDP by the end of 2011 to 77% in 2015 and to 78% by
2021.

Even with your precious tax increases, the debt continues to increase year over year.

Taxes are not enough to solve this problem. There need to be massive spending cuts, because the spending (particularly on entitlements) is what’s causing the problem.

In other words, big-government liberalism is choking the economy to death, and higher taxes don’t solve that problem.

Also this:

Standard & Poor’s takes no position on the mix of spending and
revenue measures that Congress and the Administration might conclude is
appropriate for putting the U.S.’s finances on a sustainable footing.

Hm. Interesting.

Well, some Obamatron in Mediaite’s comment section who can’t read a whole press release takes a position. SO THERE!

First: You didn’t predict it. You could not have. You still refuse to try to understand the reasons S&P downgraded the US. Since the reasons are unique to S&P and S&P is the sole arbiter, you still do not understand what has happened.

Second: Yes, you were gleeful as millions of Americans saw large portions of their retirement accounts wiped away yesterday. Don’t deny it.

Yeah, we need to spend more government money( where does that money come from anyway?) on jobs that aren’t necessary, that’s the way to get this country back on it’s feet. Oh wait, now i get it, let’s take more money from rich people that don’t deserve to keep it because they made their money on the “backs of the poor, laboring for third world income, to help the rich buy yachts.” Communism 101, how could I forget?

Again, read it yourself:

Our revised upside scenario–which, other things being equal, we view
as consistent with the outlook on the ‘AA+’ long-term rating being
revised to stable–retains these same macroeconomic assumptions. In
addition, it incorporates $950 billion of new revenues on the assumption
that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for high earners lapse from 2013
onwards, as the Administration is advocating. In this scenario, we
project that the net general government debt would rise from an
estimated 74% of GDP by the end of 2011 to 77% in 2015 and to 78% by
2021.

Your desire to TAX TEH EEEEVIL RICH doesn’t solve the problem created by the spending.

You’re bad at this.

You are an idiot.

And you have the audacity to call others retards? Not raising revenues is the reason for the downgrade? Yep, that’s the one and only reason, straight from the DNC piehole.  Congrats.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-06/u-s-credit-rating-cut-by-s-p-for-first-time-on-deficit-reduction-accord.html

More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating,” S&P said.

I suppose that’s true if you have a government job – most Americans don’t.  Most Americans work in the private sector.  Unless you want to have 100 million+ government employees (and not enough left to provide services or products to them) jobs need to be maintained and created in the private sector.  Liberal policies expand government jobs but destroy private sector jobs.  Its simple math, and would be amusing that progressives don’t get that if it wasn’t so serious.

Yes let’s bring back child labor and aboloish the minimum wage while we’re at it.

You would rather the poor be poorer if it means the rich are less rich.

You would rather the poor be poorer if it means the rich are less rich.

The tea party movement,it’s not really a party,scares democrats to death.Why?Because it threatens the core democratic strategy of drawing revenue off of those who have accrued wealth (based on the democratic definition of wealth not the average citizen’s) to fund government spending programs that are designed to channel money to those democrats consider their base constituency.They’ve been doing this for decades upon decades and they are in fear of losing this strategy.

Now they are also using the threat of entitlement cuts to attempt to draw away a key republican constituency,senior citizens,by suggesting any real reform or reduction in these programs will leave them severely lacking in benefits,especially loss of health care.

I’m no fan of republican insistence that there be no revenue increase(aka no tax increases) but democratic views concerning entitlements are no less foolish and they use just as many scare tactics to advance their agenda.

The same goes for the democratic support of organized labor and unions,a major democratic voting block (as long as democrats do what they want).I don’t seek to demonize labor but at the same time the overboard benefits and considerations they have forced on various governments and businesses are unrealistic in this era.

And as for the downgrade,which is at least partly an S&P smokescreen,hey this didn’t build up overnight or as of the debt deal.There have been years to deal with what led up to all this.Both parties carry equal blame and it started before the tea party existed,which only exists because of obamacare,the massive government intrusions and requirements within it,the massive spending and debt caused by it and the nonstop rhetoric from democrats and the president focused on tax revenues to fund it using an arbitrary line in the sand figure to determine wealth.

The tea party movement,it’s not really a party,scares democrats to death.Why?Because it threatens the core democratic strategy of drawing revenue off of those who have accrued wealth (based on the democratic definition of wealth not the average citizen’s) to fund government spending programs that are designed to channel money to those democrats consider their base constituency.They’ve been doing this for decades upon decades and they are in fear of losing this strategy.

Now they are also using the threat of entitlement cuts to attempt to draw away a key republican constituency,senior citizens,by suggesting any real reform or reduction in these programs will leave them severely lacking in benefits,especially loss of health care.

I’m no fan of republican insistence that there be no revenue increase(aka no tax increases) but democratic views concerning entitlements are no less foolish and they use just as many scare tactics to advance their agenda.

The same goes for the democratic support of organized labor and unions,a major democratic voting block (as long as democrats do what they want).I don’t seek to demonize labor but at the same time the overboard benefits and considerations they have forced on various governments and businesses are unrealistic in this era.

And as for the downgrade,which is at least partly an S&P smokescreen,hey this didn’t build up overnight or as of the debt deal.There have been years to deal with what led up to all this.Both parties carry equal blame and it started before the tea party existed,which only exists because of obamacare,the massive government intrusions and requirements within it,the massive spending and debt caused by it and the nonstop rhetoric from democrats and the president focused on tax revenues to fund it using an arbitrary line in the sand figure to determine wealth.

He wouldn’t want to get in the way of your welfare check, but you’d take cash under the table, wouldn’t you brother.

BZZT! Flag on the play.

Changing the subject to an unrelated topic to divert attention from losing an argument.

5 yard penalty.

Repeat 2nd down.

And again, this quote you keep posting should be followed by the very next paragraph that you conveniently lop off because it destroys your entire premise:

Our revised upside scenario–which, other things being equal, we view
as consistent with the outlook on the ‘AA+’ long-term rating being
revised to stable–retains these same macroeconomic assumptions. In
addition, it incorporates $950 billion of new revenues on the assumption
that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for high earners lapse from 2013
onwards, as the Administration is advocating. In this scenario, we
project that the net general government debt would rise from an
estimated 74% of GDP by the end of 2011 to 77% in 2015 and to 78% by
2021.

Read: TAX INCREASES WILL NOT STOP THE DEBT FROM RISING. There is too much spending.

Tell President Downgrade.

Methinks you didn’t actually read the report. Would you like a link?

How about a little proof for that statement. Facts, we don’t need no stinking facts.

Fact: You are a tax happy moron!

“Do your own research, dummy.

Unless you plan on paying me?”

Translation:  My allegations are unfounded so when called on the carpet I’ll just deflect with anger.

There she goes again. More lies. 82% of Americans are “buying” that the T-Partee Terrorists were the immediate cause for the downgrade. S&P has made than abundantly clear, and the American people are, in huge numbers attributing the downgrade to the ignorant, stubborn TPTs who, like you, persist in denying the obvious. The route out of our economic malaise is a balanced approach of cuts, including cuts in entitlements and defense + enhanced revenues. I fail to understand why Americans would indenture themselves to the likes of Grover Norquist, but I can’t deny they have. This is your Kart o’ Krap. Keep pushing it.

Who cares?! He’s a doodeyhead-Hitler!

Screw the taxpayer!

/WI Union Democrats

Who cares?! He’s a doodeyhead-Hitler!

Screw the taxpayer!

/WI Union Democrats

Dude, we’d be drunk before noon every single day.

Dude, we’d be drunk before noon every single day.

Felix, I’ve Got to Klue, Kasterate, Paulie and Michelle-in-Utah are so hoarse from wildly cheering over the huge losses American sustained yesterday that they are reduced to pitiful whines today.

I know, let’s assume the absolute extreme argument so that we don’t have to discuss the issue.  Good job democrats are liars.

It’s your argument, genius. If you can’t make it, it fails. Therefore, thus far, it fails.

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I’m also going to go out on a limb here and say that you didn’t hear about S&P admitting to a $2 trillion error on their part (And you think the White House is always wrong), but saying that that did NOT affect their decision. It is the political climate of instability and gridlock which extremists like yourself have created.

Here’s a hint Einstein, WE ARE the Americans that lost large portions of our portfolios.  The majority of democrats don’t even work for a living, so it doesn’t affect you guys.

That’s an observation, not THE REASON. Reading is fundamental.

Ignorance is bliss. It was Obama who used ‘fundamental transformation’ and ‘redistribution of wealth’ as stated goal during 2008.
I am a conservative indepenedent, not a Republican. I was giving you the history of teaparty, it emerged as a backlash against the Obamacare. It was a partisan bill passed by the senate. According to Pelosi, congress had to pass the bill before they could read it. Now, we have read it. Do you know the number of waivers granted by the administration? If it was so great, why the waivers? Do you know that number of un-insured have dramatically increased since the passage of the bill. Many corpoarations have to take employees of the existing plans due to Obamacare. Let me repeat Ignorance is bliss.
Wisconsin recall is not really GOP against the Democrats. Walker wanted to balance the budget by asking the state employees to contribute to their health insurance and retirement. In his quest, Walker over-reached. The election has become between the ‘soul of the unions’ versus Wisconsin. It is no longer a local Wisconsin issue. Unions may win tonight, but at what expense?. It would be more acceptable to balance the budget by terminating the employment, as opposed to reforming the state employee benefit packages.

By all men. Crush hard-working American men and women trying to support their families and themselves and share in the American dream! Destroy them! Remember Mountain Meadow! No mercy! Blood Atonement for being so uppity! You can Michelle-in-Utah! You go Fsnookie!

The gap between incomes is irrelevant, the only thing that matters is that american’s have the ability to have a better life. Rich people building businesses that employ people, and the growth in size and prosperity of those businesses is what makes this country great, not government jobs paid for with tax dollars. Obama and the dem’s have scared business with obamacare and billions of dollars in new regulations on business that have halted the desire, not the ability, of business to expand. It’s a self fulfilling proficy from this administration based on their antibusiness stance, just look at the oil reg’s that have put thousands out of work. And that’s just one small part of the problem. This is Obama’s downgrade, so live with it.

No citation?

I’ll assume you just made that up, then.

No, that is not the reason, you illiterate fool. This is the reason:

We lowered our long-term rating on the U.S. because we believe that the prolonged  controversy over raising the statutory debt ceiling and the related fiscal policy debate indicate that further near-term progress containing the growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or on reaching an agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and will remain a contentious and fitful process.

You can tell that’s why they did it by the way they said that’s why they did it.

YOU are a liar.

*Fox News ranted about!

DRINK!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2011/aug/07/standard-poors-treasury-white-house

Th WH says that S&P made an accounting error and S&P says it was the debt limit deadlock. Wouldn’t you want to know which is true? But either way, the rating is reduced, obama can cry all he wants but it won’t help. A man of his superior intellect should be running circles around S&P, Moodys, the TEA Party and everyone else that would try to tank the economy, right?

Fact: Right so when your Omama is gone in 2012 due to 82% that say Tea Party caused downgrade. Brilliant!

As long as the fngers don’t point towards the whitehouse, all’s good in lib land.

What a put down to terrorists likening them to the tea-party. Terrorists always caveat their acts with citing some grand injustice done in the world that they express opposition to. Those usually are valid grievances but they chose to go about addressing them the wrong way.

Tea-paryiers are all about bringing the black man down and out of “our” white house. No matter the means and even if collateral happens to be themselves and their bank accounts. Racists are irrational

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That’s why he’s about as good at reading comprehension as he is at basic economics.

I had no idea HE was running again.

It’s the T-Partee Terrorists. Even S&P laid that out.

S&P is a private company. It can do what it wishes.

Please oh great Yogi tell us your interpetation of how the gap between the rich and poor has become so wide.

The rich produce. They create. They build. They invest. If all you do is take, you’re never going to be rich.

when the fat baggers in their medicare paid for hoveround stop getting their ss checks, their medicare, their free health care.
let them go to their churches and beg for help.  everyone of these baggers are getting some sort of government assistance.

twenty fat baggers on their hoveround isnt a political movement, its a bowel movement.

Pablo – there you go again, spouting off without the facts. he did nothing of the sort. He was asked a question — whether or not he could GUARANTEE Soc Sec checks. He told the truth. S&P report PROVES that Congress’ inability to work together (due to fact that Tea Party has more allegiance to a private citizen than to the American people and REFUSE TO COMPROMISE) and inability to close the deficit gap by creating revenues was the PRIMARY reason for the downgrade.  To think anything is is just to rewrite history.

Yeah that’s a fact if the repubaggers didn’t pass the debt ceiling.

repubaggers held debt ceiling hostage and did everything in their power to not pass this once automatically pass bill. It was he repubagger who held the world hostage, prolonged their fake crisis and enjoyed every fucking bit.

They care very little about our government, our President and the USA. They have promised over and over they will do anything to make President Obama a one term president. Racist idiot mfer’s

You act like it’s his own private piggy bank. Are you that clueless/ letme answer that – yes, u are. Moron.

This is essentially RaL saying, “Yeah, I talk about FNC all the time, because it’s all I know how to do.”  But not realizing he’s saying it.

That’s pretty funny.

Fact: The re-vote back into the same office should reset the term in office right!

I’d like to you to read it with someone who can explain the big words (and the small ones) to you.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2011/aug/07/standard-poors-treasury-white-house

Th WH says that S&P made an accounting error and S&P says it was the debt limit deadlock. Wouldn’t you want to know which is true? But either way, the rating is reduced, obama can cry all he wants but it won’t help. A man of his superior intellect should be running circles around S&P, Moodys, the TEA Party and everyone else that would try to tank the economy, right? Wasn’t he a college professor or something? The great uniter…

I’m fully in support of RepublicansAreLiars, The Real Royal Emperor, ProgressiveKitty and other Obama bootlickers here paying higher taxes.

Practice what you preach. Because you all sure do preach a lot.

My, that’s quite a morning dump, Kook. Prune juice?

Hey- anyone with half a brain who can actually read, and has read the S&P report knows it’s the Tea Party.  Get over it.  Yes, indeed it’s scary (not scarey) how stupid people are.  Oh, and speaking of honesty, let’s start with Fox News … ok?  So, get over yourself.

Fact: Your Welfare plus minimum wage have both increased what are you mumbling about?

Methinks you didn’t read it either beyond one paragraph.

Here’s the very next paragraph from the one you cherry pick:

Our revised upside scenario–which, other things being equal, we view
as consistent with the outlook on the ‘AA+’ long-term rating being
revised to stable–retains these same macroeconomic assumptions. In
addition, it incorporates $950 billion of new revenues on the assumption
that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for high earners lapse from 2013
onwards, as the Administration is advocating. In this scenario, we
project that the net general government debt would rise from an
estimated 74% of GDP by the end of 2011 to 77% in 2015 and to 78% by
2021.

Now what does that say at the end there, Reasonable Lib?

So the whole, “we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act,” misses you?  You don’t realize that calls blame to BOTH parties?

I was wondering who would bring this up.  Nice job!

Hey, you were right a couple of days ago. I am not stuck on stupid, and the picture did indeed, fit what the numbnuts was replying to. Thanks.

chester, behave this morning and maybe you will get that ankle bracelet taken off

Where was that advocated by Walker?

Citation needed.

Translation: I’ve been bested in every argument and have no rebuttal so I’m going to try to hurl some type of baseless insults at you in an attempt to rile you up to make your factual statements easier to spin.

I appreciate your honesty. You know my original reply to you is still on the other board if you’d like to go read it. I would kind of appreciate it if you and your sidekick didn’t stalk me as much. Seems like every time you have something to say so does he.

No, Ilene. He acts like that.

Sorry, polls show that Obama’s popularity is UP in key swing states. TEA PARTY is a scourge on this country. Any party that is proud to have a DEADBEAT DAD as its spokesperson is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. FACT!

You don’t have a pot to piss in so don’t worry no one will be taking your money and you will benefit from the new heathcare program. Unless you like the posiiblility of being denied coverage or having your home taken from you to pay heathcare costs.

Funny how it’s “gridlock” when it’s Democrats in majority control, and Republicans with one half of one house.  But when it’s reversed… it’s “the will of the people,” and so on.

Of course, since Democrats controlled ALL of congress and the White House for two years, you’d think they would have done this all then.  But that wouldn’t have been as politically savvy… so they played games instead.

I am going to be very happy tonight when your Republican asses are shown the door in Wisconsin.

Go back to media matters kitty, you need another talking point. Do you ever look at the whole picture, or are you still holding those progressive binoculars backwards?

The Treasury operates under his direction. If SS checks didn’t go out, it could only be because Obama didn’t want them to. Same with default. That could only happen if Obama decided not to make debt payments. We have plenty of revenue to do both before borrowing a dime.

Do you ever worry that being such an arrogant bigot will come back at you in the end?

Republicans passed two bills to raise the ceiling before the final one. Democrats passed diddly squat. Wake up.

The Historical Lessons of Lower Tax RatesBy Daniel Mitchell, Ph.D.July 19, 1996
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Facebook Twitter Email More Charts: Chart 1: Median family Income Fallen $2,000 Since Reagan Left OfficeChart 2: Maximum Income Tax RateChart 3: All Groups Earn Higher Income During Reagan BoomChart 4: Lower Tax Rates in 1920s Meant More Tax RevenueChart 5: Rich Pay More Following 1920s Tax CutsChart 6: Kennedy Tax Cuts Boosted RevenueChart 7: Rich Pay More Under Kennedy Tax CutsChart 8: Did Tax Cuts Cause the Deficit?Chart 9: Rich Pay Greater Share of Income Tax Burden After Reagan Tax CutsChart 10: Tax Revenues Nearly Doubled During 1980sChart 11: Revenues Grew Faster Under Kennedy and ReaganChart 12: Higher Tax Rates, Lower RevenueChart 13: 1.81 Percent Average Annual Growth Since Reagan Left OfficeChart 14: Lower and Middle Income Families Suffer Most During High Tax Era

Introduction The 1996 presidential campaign has rekindled the debate over tax reductions. Among the proposals being considered are an across-the-board reduction in tax rates, the repeal of rate increases imposed in 1990 and 1993, the deductibility of payroll taxes, and a modified flat tax. But regardless of the particular features of each change under consideration, the argument is the same. Proponents argue that lower tax rates will spur economic growth by reducing the penalty on working, saving, and investing. Opponents disagree, claiming that the economy is doing fine and that tax rate reductions, if enacted, will help the rich disproportionately while widening the deficit.Fortunately, there is a way to judge the desirability of lower tax rates. The United States has had three major episodes of tax rate reductions — the 1920s, 1960s, and 1980s. By looking at how the economy performed during these periods, and by examining what happened to the deficit and the degree to which different income classes were affected, it is possible to gain useful evidence about the desirability of tax rate reductions today.The evidence provides strong support for those who believe the economy is weak and favor reductions in tax rates. Recent History is especially compelling. Tax rate increases in 1990 and 1993 boosted the top rate to 39.6 percent (and over 42 percent including the Medicare payroll tax). This means a 50 percent increase in the tax burden on work, saving, investment, and entrepreneurship when compared with the 28 percent rate in effect when Ronald Reagan left office. The effect has been dismal:During the post-Reagan era, the economy has experienced its worst seven-year performance since the end of World War II.
Real median family income, the best measure of living standards for the average American, has fallen by more than $2,000 since Reagan left office.
Assuming there is no change in policy, the Congressional Budget Office estimates that economic growth for the next ten years will average less than 2.1 percent annually.1 This is well below the post-World War II average of 3.2 percent. The economy’s sub-standard performance in recent years should come as no surprise. As seen below, major changes in tax policy inevitably affect growth.Across-the-board tax rate reductions in the 1920s reduced the top rate from 71 percent to 24 percent. The economy boomed, growing by 59 percent between 1921 and 1929.
In 1930, Herbert Hoover raised tax rates from 25 percent to a maximum of 63 percent, and Franklin Roosevelt boosted them to 79 percent later in the decade. The 1930s, to put it mildly, are not remembered as one of the American economy’s better decades.2
Across-the-board tax rate reductions introduced by President John F. Kennedy reduced the top rate from 91 percent to 70 percent. These lower rates, along with substantially lower taxes on savings and investment, are associated with the longest economic expansion in American history.3
The Johnson surtax, enacted in 1968 during the administration of President Lyndon Johnson, combined with the inflation-induced bracket creep of the 1970s (subjecting taxpayers to higher rates even though their real incomes had not changed), resulted in a decade of stagflation.
Reagan’s across-the-board tax cuts ushered in America’s longest peacetime expansion, helping to create 20 million new jobs and pushing incomes and living standards to record highs.
The tax rate increases imposed under George Bush and Bill Clinton, as outlined below, are associated with the slowest growing economy in 50 years and a decline of more than $2,000 in the average family’s income. If legislators want to unleash stronger growth and more prosperity, the best tax policy would be the flat tax. Under that proposal, all three major problems of the current tax code — high rates, anti-capital bias, and complexity — would be minimized. To the extent that politicians are reluctant to adopt a flat tax, however, any change that moved in the right direction would be helpful. If History is any guide, any tax rate reduction, whether a 15 percent across-the-board cut, a repeal of the Bush and Clinton tax hikes, or some other reform, would boost the economy and raise living standards.Looking at Case Histories The effect of tax rates on economic activity should not be overstated. The economy, after all, can be affected significantly by trade policy, regulatory policy, monetary policy, and many other government actions. Even within the context of fiscal policy, tax rates are not the only critical issue. Both the level of government spending and where that money goes are very important. And even when looking only at tax policy, tax rates are just one piece of the puzzle. If certain types of income are subject to multiple layers of tax, as occurs in the current system, that problem cannot be solved by low rates. Similarly, a tax system with needless levels of complexity will impose heavy costs on the productive sector of the economy.Keeping all these caveats in mind, there nonetheless is a distinct pattern throughout American history: Simply stated, when tax rates are reduced, the economy prospers, tax revenues grow, and lower-income citizens bear a lower share of the tax burden. Conversely, periods of higher tax rates are associated with subpar economic performance and stagnant tax revenues.The 1920s Under the leadership of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon during the Administrations of Presidents Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge, tax rates were slashed from the confiscatory levels they had reached in World War I. The Revenue Acts of 1921, 1924, and 1926 reduced the top rate from 73 percent to 25 percent.Spurred in part by lower tax rates, the economy expanded dramatically. In real terms, the economy grew 59 percent between 1921 and 1929, and annual economic growth averaged more than 6 percent.Notwithstanding (or perhaps because of) the dramatic reduction in tax rates, personal income tax revenues increased substantially during the 1920s, rising from $719 million in 1921 to $1,160 million in 1928, an increase of more than 61 percent (this was a period of no inflation).4The share of the tax burden borne by the rich rose dramatically. As seen in Chart 5, taxes paid by the rich (those making $50,000 and up in those days) climbed from 44.2 percent of the total tax burden in 1921 to 78.4 percent in 1928.This surge in revenue was no surprise to Mellon:The History of taxation shows that taxes which are inherently excessive are not paid. The high rates inevitably put pressure upon the taxpayer to withdraw his capital from productive business and invest it in tax-exempt securities or to find other lawful methods of avoiding the realization of taxable income. The result is that the sources of taxation are drying up; wealth is failing to carry its share of the tax burden; and capital is being diverted into channels which yield neither revenue to the Government nor profit to the people.5The 1960s President Kennedy proposed a series of tax rate reductions in 1963 that resulted in legislation the following year dropping the top rate from 91 percent in 1963 to 70 percent by 1965.6The Kennedy tax cuts helped trigger the longest economic expansion in America’s history. Between 1961 and 1968, the inflation-adjusted economy expanded by more than 42 percent. On a yearly basis, economic growth averaged more than 5 percent.Tax revenues grew strongly, rising by 62 percent between 1961 and 1968. Adjusted for inflation, they rose by one-third.Just as in the 1920s, the share of the income tax burden borne by the rich increased. Tax collections from those making over $50,000 per year climbed by 57 percent between 1963 and 1966, while tax collections from those earning below $50,000 rose 11 percent. As a result, the rich saw their portion of the income tax burden climb from 11.6 percent to 15.1 percent.7According to President Kennedy:Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand, and the avoidance of large Federal deficits on the other. It is increasingly clear that no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits. Surely the lesson of the last decade is that budget deficits are not caused by wild-eyed spenders but by slow economic growth and periodic recessions and any new recession would break all deficit records. In short, it is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now.8The 1980s President Reagan presided over two major pieces of tax legislation which together reduced the top tax rate from 70 percent in 1980 to 28 percent by 1988.The economic effects of the Reagan tax cuts were dramatic. When Reagan took office in 1981, the economy was being choked by high inflation and was in the middle of a double-dip recession (1980 and 1982). The tax cuts helped pull the economy out of the doldrums and ushered in the longest period of peacetime economic growth in America’s history. During the seven-year Reagan boom, economic growth averaged almost 4 percent.Critics charge that the tax cuts caused higher deficits, but they misread the evidence. The Reagan tax cut, though approved in 1981, was phased in over several years. As a result, bracket creep (indexing was not implemented until 1985) and payroll tax increases completely swamped Reagan’s 1.25 percent tax cut in 1981 and effectively canceled out the portion of the tax cut which went into effect in 1982. The economy received an unambiguous tax cut only as of January 1983. Thereafter, personal income tax revenues climbed dramatically, increasing by more than 54 percent by 1989 (28 percent after adjusting for inflation).Contrary to conventional wisdom, it was the “rich” who paid the additional taxes. The share of income taxes paid by the top 10 percent of earners jumped significantly, climbing from 48.0 percent in 1981 to 57.2 percent in 1988. The top 1 percent saw their share of the income tax bill climb even more dramatically, from 17.6 percent in 1981 to 27.5 percent in 1988.9One of the chief architects of the Reagan tax cuts was then-U.S. Representative Jack Kemp (R-NY). According to Kemp:At some point, additional taxes so discourage the activity being taxed, such as working or investing, that they yield less revenue rather than more. There are, after all, two rates that yield the same amount of revenue: high tax rates on low production, or low rates on high production.10The Lessons 1) Lower tax rates do not mean less tax revenue.The tax cuts of the 1920sPersonal income tax revenues increased substantially during the 1920s, despite the reduction in rates. Revenues rose from $719 million in 1921 to $1164 million in 1928, an increase of more than 61 percent (this was a period of virtually no inflation).The Kennedy tax cutsTax revenues climbed from $94 billion in 1961 to $153 billion in 1968, an increase of 62 percent (33 percent after adjusting for inflation).The Reagan tax cutsTotal tax revenues climbed by 99.4 percent during the 1980s, and the results are even more impressive when looking at what happened to personal income tax revenues. Once the economy received an unambiguous tax cut in January 1983, income tax revenues climbed dramatically, increasing by more than 54 percent by 1989 (28 percent after adjusting for inflation).2) The rich pay more when incentives to hide income are reduced.The tax cuts of the 1920sThe share of the tax burden paid by the rich rose dramatically as tax rates were reduced. The share of the tax burden borne by the rich (those making $50,000 and up in those days) climbed from 44.2 percent in 1921 to 78.4 percent in 1928.11The Kennedy tax cutsJust as happened in the 1920s, the share of the income tax burden borne by the rich increased following the tax cuts. Tax collections from those making over $50,000 per year climbed by 57 percent between 1963 and 1966, while tax collections from those earning below $50,000 rose 11 percent. As a result, the rich saw their portion of the income tax burden climb from 11.6 percent to 15.1 percent.12The Reagan tax cutsThe share of income taxes paid by the top 10 percent of earners jumped significantly, climbing from 48.0 percent in 1981 to 57.2 percent in 1988. The top 1 percent saw their share of the income tax bill climb even more dramatically, from 17.6 percent in 1981 to 27.5 percent in 1988.13The 1990s: Ignoring the Lessons of the Past Unlike reductions in tax rates, increases in tax rates have a History of failure. The Hoover and Roosevelt tax increases of the 1930s certainly contributed to the dismal economy during the Great Depression. Tax revenues fell during much of the period, and the deficit increased. And as Chart 11 shows, the high tax rates of the 1950s resulted in sluggish revenue growth. Ignoring History, both Democrats and Republicans at the time argued that tax rates reaching over 90 percent could not be cut for fear of revenue loss. Moreover, the 1970s, which began with the Johnson surtax and later were hit by bracket creep, triggered the tax revolt and the Reagan tax cuts.Perhaps more than any other decade, however, the 1990s make the best argument against higher tax rates. In both 1990 and 1993, the economy was subjected to record tax increases, the ostensible purpose of which was to raise revenue to reduce the budget deficit. As Chart 12 illustrates, however, these increases backfired. Total tax revenue, as a percent of economic output, is expected to be lower this year than it was when Reagan left office.14Significantly, the modest decline in revenues relative to gross domestic product (GDP) is due to the slower growth in personal income tax revenues. As shown in Chart 12, individual income tax revenues totaled 8.6 percent of economic output in 1989. By 1996 — two large tax increases later — individual income tax revenues had fallen to 8.5 percent of economic output. In other words, the tax that was increased the most accounts for the drop in tax revenue as a share of national output.High tax rates are bad for the economy. High tax rates that increase the deficit by reducing the growth of tax revenue are even worse. What makes recent History especially tragic is that the economic and budgetary losses could have been avoided if Bush and Clinton had simply kept Reagan’s policies in place. In 1989, the Congressional Budget Office projected that the budget deficit, which then was $152 billion, would continue to fall for the next five years assuming no change in Reagan’s policies. As of 1995 — again, two large tax increases later — the budget deficit had risen to $164 billion, and it is projected by the CBO to reach more than $400 billion by 2006 if Clinton’s policies are left in place.The dismal budget numbers, however, tell only part of the story. The economy has been the real victim of higher tax rates. As Chart 13 shows, the post-Reagan era has seen the slowest growth of any seven-year period since the end of World War II. As discussed earlier, this slow growth has left people with more than $2,000 less income when inflation is taken into account. The biggest losers have been the poor. As Chart 14 illustrates, income for the bottom 20 percent has fallen the most during the Bush/Clinton era. The politicians who imposed the higher taxes, needless to say, argued that the rich would be the ones to suffer.Conclusion The economy is limping, incomes have been falling, tax revenues are stagnant, and it is projected that the deficit will more than double in the next ten years. This is the legacy of higher tax rates and a tax code that punishes working, saving, and investing. History shows clearly that the way to reverse this trend is to cut tax rates. Legislation to reduce rates would do this. Better still, Congress should scrap the current system as quickly as possible and replace it with a flat tax that treats all taxpayers equally and minimizes the burden on productive behavior.

I say we make the minimum wage $100.00 an hour! I mean, really, why limit it to the weak amount it is now? Give everyone, even the illegals, the same pay for all jobs because it is only fair, right? And health care. It’s a Constitutional RIGHT!

Race Card! *drink*

Whoops, I’m pushing by big old Kart OKrap, and i stepped in a steamy pile of Real Royal Emperor King, yuch, Hand me that stick, would ya.

What in the heck are you trying to talk about now?

And you somehow ignore the comments about the intransigence in congress … Intransigence that did NOT exist until the Tea Party and other idiotic Republicans swore allegiance to a private citizen – Grover Norquist – rather than to the American People. Look up the word ‘treason’ that’s what it says.

You also ignore the FOUR times the report talked about the REVENUES!!!!!!! Administration was willing to put cuts on the table. Time for the Tea Party Terrorists (look it up, yes, they are terrorists) to offer us something as well.  NO one – including crazy Michele Bachmann has the right to bitch about the downgrade when they were against the debt ceiling increase … that would have BROUGHT ABOUT the downgrade. 

Terrorists cheer the destruction and downfall of America: Fact
Tea Party cheered the downgrade of the credit rating: FACT
Terrorists = Tea Party: FACT – and this will be borne out at the polls in 2012. 

Mark my words.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Look you guys are bashing unions which are the true force of legitimate equality in the work place. there is nothing extreme here if it wasn’t for unions those above mentioned items would not have happened. We would have sweat shops, unsafe work environments where and many other extremes. so union bashing just doens’t fly. It is cutting off your nose to spite your face mentality for 99% of you people who are employees out there.

Because public sector jobs are funded by the private sector. And it’s the private sector who will need to spearhead any sustained recovery. Not to mention the fact that federal budget is an obscene $3.8 trillion with only $2.2 trillion coming into the Treasury. It’s bloated, unsustainable, and full of waste that can be and must be cut.

And one other thing. Since when are these federal workers entitled to these jobs like they’re a birthright? Private sector workers as well as public sector employees at the local and state level are losing jobs in droves. Who the hell do these people in the federal government think they are that they should be immune to the same economic hardship?

Because public sector jobs are funded by the private sector. And it’s the private sector who will need to spearhead any sustained recovery. Not to mention the fact that federal budget is an obscene $3.8 trillion with only $2.2 trillion coming into the Treasury. It’s bloated, unsustainable, and full of waste that can be and must be cut.

And one other thing. Since when are these federal workers entitled to these jobs like they’re a birthright? Private sector workers as well as public sector employees at the local and state level are losing jobs in droves. Who the hell do these people in the federal government think they are that they should be immune to the same economic hardship?

You make no sense, you argue that S&P’s analysis was incorrect and we are still a AAA+ nation, and on the other hand you argue that the Tea Party is responsible for the downgrade.  Get your attacks straight or nobody will ever take you seriously–not that you have that option now.

nice logo.

Fact: to see actual charts. http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/1996/07/BG1086nbsp-The-Historical-Lessons-of-Lower-Tax

Can you write anything without an insult.  Here’s a start – read the report for yourself, and then the article in the Washington Post – lays it all out – but I wouldn’t want any facts to get in the way of your story — but that is what the GOP and Tea Party does so well. LIE LIE LIE:

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/af2c4fac-bfc2-11e0-90d5-00144feabdc0.pdfhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/origins-of-the-debt-showdown/2011/08/03/gIQA9uqIzI_story.html?hpid=z1

Oh — and here are all the clips of the so-called “Patriots” cheering the debt ratings decrease” FACTS

http://politicalgates.blogspot.com/2011/08/standard-poors-downgrades-us-credit.html?spref=tw

How’s that “98% of what I wanted” looking, Boehner boys???

I sure would like one of the MSNBC fanatics to tell us how Ed campaigning like this, shows that MSNBC is a “real” network.  Remember when Maddow claimed that her network doesn’t do things like that… and was wrong?  Anyone want to try to mount a defense?

Even the black TEA Party members, you PEABrained PEABagger? What racist name would you call them?

Obama didn’t threaten to not give out Social Security checks, you are a liar. This is the quote you are referring to from 60 Minutes. Scott Pelley asked him if he can guarantee that SS checks will go out. Obama said

“I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3 if we
haven’t resolved this issue, because there may simply not be the money
in the coffers to do it,” Obama said in an interview on the CBS Evening
News Tuesday evening.

“This is not just a matter of Social Security checks,” Obama said.
“These are veterans checks, these are folks on disability and their
checks. There are about 70 million checks that go out.”

Obama was telling the truth he could not guarantee that SS checks would make it to everyone, because if the debt ceiling had not been raised, the Treasury would have to shuffle funds and decide who got checks and who didn’t.

Never did he say that he would not give out SS checks. He told the truth. I don’t expect truth from tea party members, but seriously you can check this stuff out, it’s called the internet.

Hey hey hey… they’re not talking about “themselves.”  That wouldn’t be fair.  After all, they could have already just mailed the government a check if that’s what they wanted to do.

They want OTHER people to pay, and then maybe they’ll kick in.  Otherwise, forget that.  They’re not gonna do it if everyone else isn’t doing it.

Fact: Please add links to these bogus polls!

OMG … you just proved our point, you dolt. “or on reaching an agreement on raising revenues”  And they go ON to call out the Republicans for FAILING TO EVEN CONSIDER REVENUE INCREASES. 

Sorry, GOP and TEa Party are the liars and it’s been proven over and over and over again. Sorry if the truth hurts. 

60 people hold that much power, what about the other 375 representatives in the house?

We’d have government sweatshops and government unsafe work environments and government extremes without unions? Heh. That’s funny.

“And your mother wears combat boots!”

Sorry.  Just wanted to contribute to your childish and baseless name calling.

What idiots posters. repubaggers faked this crisis. Don’t get it twisted. Then it backfired on repubaggers, like all their proven failed policies.

I think wishing to make your fellow Americans lives miserable says it all.  Todays WI vote should give an indication as to what direction we’re moving in as a country. 

They only get excited about spending other peoples money.  They hold onto theirs like a fat boy with a twinkie.

So big shot how many people do you employe? I have 20. How many year’s  have you been in business? This administration in not anti-business. They have done nothing to hinder my ability to start new cash flow streams. You whiny good for nothing free loading teatards buy into this FOX news bullshit and are clueless. You have never accomplished anything as an entrprenuer and you come here to this board and act like you are some great job creators that know something. You don’t.

“Those usually are valid grievances…”

Really?!  So wanting to impose their form or radical Islam, subjugate women, murder homosexuals, and force everyone to believe the same thing is a “valid grievance?”

Wow.

The heart of a TPer.

Fact: Always like to help you on your malfunctions!

Yeah, look at all the teachers that didn’t get laid off because of that evil bastard Walker. How dare he crush them by letting them keep their jobs?

And if the TEA Party wins, will the democrats flee the state again?

Did you go to college? Did you take Economics 101? There are TWO things you need to do to decrease a deficit. INCREASE REVENUES and DECREASE SPENDING. Somehow you and the other Tea Party gnomes here only want to look at one side of the equation. Our President COMPROMISED and offered cuts. YOUR SIDE – the seditious treasonous side (look up the words,”if the shoe fits”) …THERE WAS NO COMPROMISE.  The Tea Party REFUSES to discuss revenue increases – even though your god, St, Ronald Reagan did it many times.  So even a fifth grader can figure out where the problem is.  

Methinks you still don’t get it. $2 trillion error. That would mean that their calculations are off, no? Okay, moving on. Now factor in the admission that said number did not matter as well as the statement of Republican aversion to tax hikes was a factor in addition to the statements of political matters stated in the article. What is the sum total of that?

“I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3 if we
haven’t resolved this issue, because there may simply not be the money
in the coffers to do it,” Obama said in an interview on the CBS Evening
News Tuesday evening.

There are two lies here. The first is that there wouldn’t have been enough money to pay SS checks. That was false.

The other is that he couldn’t guarantee checks would go out on August 3. That was also false.

He has the power to decide where those checks go.

And he deliberately did that to try to scare his opposition into doing what he wanted. It’s called liberal politics. It was very transparent.

This was obvious to everyone but his bootlickers, who were busy screaming that the GOP was trying to kill granny, kick puppies and destroy America at that time.

By the way – Obama got what he wanted. The ceiling was raised through 2013. More spending and borrowing. America wins, right?

Got downgraded anyway. Helluva job, Obama.

Hell. Of. A. Job.

THE WORLD KNOWS IT IS THE REPUBLICAN/TEATERRORISTS! “REAL” AMERICANS ARE THROWING THEM OUT OF WISCONSIN AS WE SPEAK!

oh, and no one sad the rich are evil. But when ExxonMobil is paying 0 in taxes, and getting a refund in the hundreds of millions of dollars, and I have a tax debt of $12K I don’t know how I’m going to pay, I’ve got a problem. 

I’d like to see those polls, please.

LOL—”Combat boots”

Everyone in the Schultz crowd was a Union hack who called in ‘sick.’

The Ed Show airs at 9 pm.

You’re projecting again. Don’t pin random shit on me. Your own side is guilty of the everything that you mention there. Or are you still oblivious to the hypocrisy? Perhaps you should admit you’re just another partisan hack?

Do you understand what I am telling you? FasterFax: Be careful or you may get banned….

On the reason for the down grade… This is direct from the S&P release; “Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act.” Republicans refusal to RAISE REVENUES is the reason for the downgrade. It is here in B&W from S&P.

Oh please. If you don’t see the damage repubaggers has caused/is causing you should use he mental health package that President Obama wisely included during the Health Reform bill.

Oh yeah granny, you would probably die a bum if it weren’t for all the good dems have done/is doing for the USA. 

Don’t worry you are not one of the eveil rich… Don’t be scared.

Doesn’t any of Special Eds fans work for a living?

No wonder why Republicans don’t protest, they have to work to pay unemployment benefits to Democrats so they can go out and protest!

THIS IS RICH COMING FROM YOU FOX ENTERTAINMENT CHANNEL WATCHER!  YOU OF ALL PEOPLE WOULD KNOW WHAT SPIN LOOKS LIKE EH, MICHELLE! OWN IT BABY! IT IS THE “TEA PARTY DOWNGRADE” AS MUCH AS YOU TRY TO SPIN IT OTHERWISE!

1- No, that’s not what the report said.  Read the whole sentence… all the way to the end.
2- There is a difference between “stupid” people, and people who disagree with you.  Your ego is getting in the way again.
3- Why would we have to talk about FNC, when the question is about MSNBC & NBC?  Is your only defense for them to point the finger somewhere else?  Not a real strong move, Ilene.

The money is NOT there, I repeat is NOT there. The SS trust has been raided for the past decade, or maybe you don’t remember making fun of Al Gore and his “lockbox”. Since there was no President Gore there was no lockbox. President Obama was telling the truth about SS and the Treasury having to find a way to pay out everyone. Without the debt ceiling raise, Treasury would have to pay off it’s debts first then pay out entitlements.

The gap between incomes is irrelevant, the only thing that matters is that american’s have the ability to have a better life.

Good think they don’t have any relation to one another huh?  Deep thoughts.

Tea Partiers, secretly want to re-codify the 3/5ths clause. Shhh, be vewy vewy qwiet. 

Purveyor

It has been Bush’s tax cuts that put us in this hole, lame brain. 10 years of giving tax breaks to the rich has put us here. It  is not the spending unless it is too much military spending. Let’s take your social security away and medicare. It is not going to effect me. I am more than secure. As I drive by you with your sign in your hand begging I will roll up my window and drive by because I really don’t like rewarding bad life choices with hand outs.

@twitter-18397725:disqus asks: “Can you write anything without an insult.”
Which of course is ignores such responses as:

You act like it’s his own private piggy bank. Are you that clueless/ letme answer that – yes, u are. Moron.

and

OMG … you just proved our point, you dolt.

from Ilene K.Hypocrisy?  Of course.

Sedition, treasonous? Are these the new pet words of the lemmings?  I guess, since racist and nazi has lost it’s wile. LOL!

Breaking down Ed’s video: A bunch of old people listen as a speaker
talks about some ‘them’ blaming the Tea Party for the downgrade

That some would be S&P the American people and the world.

I’ll ask the Obama bootlickers again: WHAT DOES THE LAST PART OF THIS SAY, and WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

Our revised upside scenario–which, other things being equal, we view
as consistent with the outlook on the ‘AA+’ long-term rating being
revised to stable–retains these same macroeconomic assumptions. In
addition, it incorporates $950 billion of new revenues on the assumption
that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for high earners lapse from 2013
onwards, as the Administration is advocating. In this scenario, we
project that the net general government debt would rise from an
estimated 74% of GDP by the end of 2011 to 77% in 2015 and to 78% by
2021.

It means, Obamabots, that even if Obama and the Democrats had let Bush’s tax relief expire in January, that we’d still A) not be closing the Obama deficits, B) not reduce the debt or prevent it from growing, C) that the insane spending that Obama has foisted onto America’s baseline since he came in has pushed us over the cliff, causing the downgrade.

Republicans are not opposed to simplifying the tax code to eliminate “loopholes” – what they’re opposed to is raising taxes and getting no significant spending cuts in return.

Because, as we’ve seen from President Downgrade thus far, the only thing that matters to Democrats is government and growing it. And that needs to be stopped.

Remember when dissent was the highest form of patriotism? Or does that only apply to Democrats opposing Republicans and not the other way around?

http://foxnewslies.net/ Here some great reading for you TeaMorons

“My side” is guilty of what, exactly?  Please provide me with some examples of the hypocrisy I posted.

http://foxnewslies.net/

“democrats always like to punish the old folk”?!??!

what?!

boy, every morning i come here and read some of the most ridiculous, uneducated
crap

Get a job.

http://foxnewslies.net/ 

(in total denial)

Maybe fat ED would like his 11 million dollar net worth to be taxed at 38-65%?

http://www.therichest.org/celebnetworth/celeb/media/ed-schultz-net-worth/

60 people actually can hold that much power

Wow you are really old to know that one

yeah, it’s easy to yell “stop spending” and then not specify where you would cut

santelli is a gas bag whose 15 min are up

LOL Dardaloon’s in total denial.

You can rest assured that isn’t going to happen http://foxnewslies.net/

government has these things called ‘employees’

and they get checks and they spend money (keeping the economy rolling)

cutting spending =  eliminating jobs

raising taxes raises revenue (a good thing, now)

“jobs that aren’t necessary” =  police, firemen, nurses, teachers, construction

and, oh yeah, any government that has the above is……wait for it…..communistic.

Obama DISapprovals are higher than that of the TP.  See, it’s easy to cherry pick polls. 

Wonder if you would be a union supporting hack if unions gave millions to republicans. There are sweatshops and unsafe work environments now, only the union gets its cut of that worker’s money to funnel to the DNC.

Hey, you have any idea what the Big Dig is and how the unions used it as a cash cow? And now, people are being killed by using it from all of the corners the glorious unions cut to take more cash toelect more liberals.

The money is NOT there, I repeat is NOT there. The SS trust has been
raided for the past decade, or maybe you don’t remember making fun of Al
Gore and his “lockbox”. Since there was no President Gore there was no
lockbox. President Obama was telling the truth about SS and the Treasury
having to find a way to pay out everyone. Without the debt ceiling
raise, Treasury would have to pay off it’s debts first then pay out
entitlements.

I understand that the “lockbox” is a joke and doesn’t exist.

That’s not the issue.

The issue is that there was absolutely enough money to pay SS recipients AND service the debt – if Obama prioritized it that way, which he has the power to do.

I loved what Frank had to say last night.  It’s the one and only thing that many Democrats and Republicans agree on.  And those numbers will continue to grow.  Nice that you attempt to make it look like it is hating the military.  The right as always used that completely dishonest tactic.  Somehow wanting to get out of useless wars that are killing and maiming our youth is a bad thing.  I take pride in the fact that I fought to end the useless war in Viet Nam and I’m thrilled that FINALLY there is starting to be some real dialog about ending these wars.  Our soldiers are asked to do tour after tour after tour and that is unconscionable!  Too bad you think they are so expendable.

liberal policies destroy private sector jobs?

can you name ONE “liberal” policy that destroyed jobs?

and btw, the definition of liberalism:

“the belief in the importance of liberty and equal rights.[2]Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but most liberals support such fundamental ideas as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, free trade, and the freedom of religion.[3][4][5][6][7] These ideas are widely accepted, even by political groups that do not openly profess a liberal ideological orientation. Liberalism encompasses several intellectual trends and traditions, but the dominant variants are classical liberalism, which became popular in the eighteenth century, andsocial liberalism, which became popular in the twentieth century.”

you really need a good education.  

i wake up and read some of these inane posts and think:

“these guys must be 19 year old freshmen suburban frat boys”

Take your meds, Iris.  You’re becoming unhinged.

YES, RODENT! THEY PRODUCE FOR OTHER COUNTRIES PUT THEIR MONIES THEY MAKE IN OTHER COUNTRIES! LET THEM GO LIVE IN OTHER COUNTRIES! ALL THE WHILE WRAPPING THEMSELVES IN THE AMERICAN FLAG!

NOBODY is saying “tax increases only”

NOBODY

he’s exactly right.  

Meet the Obama Administration – the first Presidency in history that has had both Houses of Congress for several years and yet is responsible for nothing, knows nothing, controls nothing and accepts blame for nothing becuase a small caucus of fiscal conservatives in the House that weren’t even there until 7 months ago, um, ruined the utopia that was just around the corner.

Not surprised that once again you completely twisted what I said. Where in my post did I call you a hypocrite specifically? I’ll wait. No, I said your side. Unlike you I don’t pin bullshit on other people. You specialize in spin and bullshitting, my friend. However, now that you mention it I find it funny that you accuse democrats of playing games when that’s exactly what Republicans were doing. S&P saw that. So will you direct the same criticism towards them? If not then that is by definition hypocrisy.

By the way, your side meaning conservatives are guilty of saying its “the will of the people” when things are going their way, prime example being the ignorance which they encouraged people to display at town halls while calling it “grassroots” yet calling the people at Repub town halls liberal plants. Just ask Liberal Hater aka Michelle. I also think I already addressed the games statement.

It’s easier to yell “TAX THE RICH” and then not care to look at who gets those tax increases, who loses jobs, what prices change and what economic damage that causes.

unlike you I don’t want anyone to be miserable, way to show your true colors you anarchist ****.

Soros own that site too? Where’s the link to mediamatters? And Air America? oops, my bad on that last one! You get the point, you like your left wing hate sites. While you like throwing around names, you are a PeaBrained, PeaBagger.

Frank broke that down really clearly last night.  If the Bush tax cuts expire for the top if you made $250,000 you will be taxed $30 on every $1,000 above that.  I repeat, $30 for every $1,000.  That is what they are protecting.

Maybe it’s this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDOAmJYFFA

COME ON “REAL”AMERICANS! THROW THE RODENTS OUT OF WISCONSIN! THEY ARE EATING  ALL YOUR CHEESE! AMERICA HAS ITS OWN HOME GROWN TERRORISTS CALLED THE REPUBLICAN/TEATERRORIST PARTY!

That’s like buying a huge plasma screen TV on credit that you couldn’t afford, and then blaming your employer for not giving you a raise that you thought you were getting when you can’t pay the bill.

Spending does work that way, child.

SPENDING causes deficits. Not receiving as much money as you would like doesn’t increase your debt. Only your spending increases your debt.

Fact: You ca copy / paste your leftist propaganda site that has no substance on every thread but it’s phony balony!

Turn your caps lock off, champ.

Typing in all caps the entire time doesn’t make your argument stronger (to the extent that your comment is an “argument,” which it isn’t.

Fact: No demarodents apply sense you are not qualified! Period. Taxes don’t cut debt but spending less does simple math 101! throw out any and all rodents!!!!

Why don’t the liberals figure out the difference between the current tax rate and the rate they approve of, and then apply that to their income and cut a check to the Federal Treasury?  Instead, Obama, Biden, Moore and all the rest of these loud-mouthed liberal hacks take every deduction they can get.

We should really start calling them the tea party anarchists… or even the Tea Party anti-christs.. since they go completely against Jesus’ teachings. Jesus hated the bankers and knew greed and wealth and power corrupted people. The Tea Party embraces all these things because they are ignorant.

The Tea Party has ruined the Republican brand forever. I can sit here and type out all the insults that can be typed and it would do nothing to change their mind.. but really the damage is already done, the last three generations have a bad taste in their mouths from Republicans and it will only get worse as people become more enlightened from the internet.

http://newsbusters.org/

Special Ed and the old faulty premise. Pain is coming Ed, and the Tea Party didn’t cause it. How’s that hopey changy thing going in Wisconsin, did the riots at the state fair help? Those darn Tea Partiers.

more deep thoughts.

Fact: Govpuppet alert. Give me my cheese because I deserve it!!!!

You are wrong.  The Bush tax cuts actually helped increase revenue and turn things around pulling us out of the hole before the housing bubble burst:

“Revenues fell in Bush’s first two years because of a combination of the tech
bust and the start of the tax cuts. But then things took off. After taking in
$1.782 trillion in tax revenues in 2003, the government collected $1.88 trillion
in 2004; $2.153 trillion in 2005; $2.406 trillion in 2006; and $2.567 trillion
in 2007, according to figures compiled by the Office of Management and Budget.
That’s a 44 percent increase from 2003 to 2007. (Revenues slid downward a bit in
2008, and a lot in 2009, when the financial crisis sent the economy into a
tailspin.) “Everybody talks about how much the Bush tax cuts ‘cost,’” says one
GOP strategist. “We’re saying, no, they led to a huge increase in revenue.”

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/08/05/a-few-inconvenient-truths-getting-in-the-way-of-the-inherited-meme/

SUCKS TO BE YOU HAVING SO MANY HATE YOU MICHELLE! THAT YOU REMEMBER ONLY ONE IS VERY SAD! GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

Fact: Downgrade!!!! MMMM MMMM MMMM Obama!!!!!!

Wrong again, troll:

Milwaukee to see net gain from state budget:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/127269673.html

There’s no shortage of areas to stop spending.  Most of the budget is fixed (without entitlement reform) but what people who haven’t worked in the private sector don’t seem to understand is if your operating expenses are 20% and you are directed to reduce to 18% you can do that farely easily, even with things as simple as reducing office supply orders, travel, reimbursable expenses, excess staffing (preferably by not filling open positions but also efficiently by moving excess staff to those open positions), hold on salary increases and bonuses, scale down annual holiday party, etc…  There’s also more aggressive ways to reduce spending including closing of departments within agencies, closing excess facilities, outsourcing…   Some cuts are painful, most are just an inconvenience or a much needed waste cleanup.  reducing expenses really isn’t all that hard.  Millions of us do it all the time.  I live pretty much paycheck to paycheck, constantly putting as much as possible to my debt.  I’ve been doing that for several years and have basically nothing in savings as a result, but I’m happy to forego new clothes or a fun trip or building a savings account if it means I pay off my debts sooner.   If I tear or badly stain a shirt I’ll buy a new one – otherwise there’d need to be a good reason to go further in to debt because I spent $40 or whatever on a shirt instead of paying a bill.

FAct: I am entitled let the rest carry my weight!!!!

GE, one of Obama’s largest corporate contributors, also paid $0 in taxes (legally). That is pretty stupid, too.

Don’t know why you’d single out Exxon. It’s in a corporation’s fiscal interest to take advantage of loopholes in the tax code, and if they’re not breaking laws, then you can’t do anything about it other than to stem the influence of lobbyists in Washington (something Obama claimed he’d do and hasn’t done), revise and simplify the tax code (aka, eliminate a lot of loopholes), or have the companies leave for more friendly business environments.

Your choice.

I understand that you have a debt to pay, but don’t think that the burden for paying it falls on other people just becuase they may have more money than you.

Fact: Duh can’t stop spending?

Feel free to do just  that.

Far be it from me to stand in the way of you remaining a dummy.

It’s their money, not yours.

This is what Wisconsinites think of Walker … On Eve Of Recall, Walker Booed At Wisconsin State Fair
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/08/09/291428/on-eve-of-recall-walker-booed-at-wisconsin-state-fair/

Fox News! *drink*

By ‘we’ in your first sentence, I assume you mean the collective. Thanks for telling us what collective Jesus thinks. I’ll pay Ceasar what’s due Ceasar, but Ceasar asks what I cannot give. Conservative Jesus won’t give up his freedom or soul, for any price. Too bad, they almost sound like brothers.

but no cuts to entitlements, right darla

What cuts did Obama offer? Be specific. Where can we find his plan with its details online?

Racist teachuglikkkan killer Koch-sucking terrorist treasonous anti-American puppy-eating nazi klan members.

The list is getting too long to keep up with – when one doesn’t stick, they try something else.

It’s like watching a child who is trying to insult you come up with other ways to do it because instead of being offended you’re laughing at them.

Sucks to be you bluebunny, not being able to type without capitalizing every letter and using exclamation points after every sentence.  Does being on welfare make you this angry or were you angry before welfare?

The right wants to eliminate the minimum wage and at the same time complains that 46% don’t pay any taxes.  I could say they don’t pay any taxes because they don’t earn enough to but that doesn’t take into consideration the 1,500 millionaires/billionaires who didn’t pay any.

We lowered our long-term rating on the U.S. because we believe that the
prolonged  controversy over raising the statutory debt ceiling and the
related fiscal policy debate indicate that further near-term progress
containing the growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or
on reaching an agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we
previously assumed and will remain a contentious and fitful process.

This is key, because you’re trying to ignore it.

neither party can pass bills without……..the other party

it’s funny, but during the bush years, that’s all we heard  ”love it or leave it”

now, they really seem like they don’t love it.

A fact can’t be question, Einstein. 

and that’s because he’s………too liberal?!

if he was actually a liberal, he would have:

*ended both wars

*increased taxes

*passed a public option

*stopped spying on americans

*regulated the banks

*got bank the bankers’ bonuses

did he do ANY of that?  

no.  

so how can obama REALLY be too liberal?

only if you let them

hey idiot.. Ed’s show was taped at night. When most are done with work! 

Fact: It will never change that idiots mind no matter how many facts are spoon fed his way!

Fact: It will never change that idiots mind no matter how many facts are spoon fed his way!

increasing taxes on those making more than 400,000 is hardly controversial, dude

and it won’t cause economic damage

The rich earn their wealth and shelter it and their investments ultimately benefit themselves.  They are not obligated to ‘spread the wealth’ (nor should they be expected to) and their actions may or may not be of any benefit to the overall population.  We’re a nation of capitalists and, as such, this is to be expected.

Middle class Americans, however, have repeatedly demonstrated that they will make sacrifices to help their neighbors and nation as a whole.  It’s a selfless ideal that in the eyes of many is not readily shared by those who are in a position to make even greater sacrifices.

i understand, dude.

but i think the burden should be spread equally.

all spending cuts do is effect the poor, not the wealthy.

that is why we should increase taxes on the wealthy.

Anyone that has studied the bible, can tell, with some amount of certainty, what Jesus thinks. Thanks for your weird nonsensical paragraph though. It’s not often I can’t tell what position someone is arguing.

if you know you’re going to spend money (wars, for instance), then you don’t 
cut taxes, you increase them.

Fact: Obamacare!

the bush tax cuts only increased revenue for a couple years.

after that?  down, down, down

the bush tax cuts are the PRIMARY reason for our structural deficits.  

no cuts to entitlements.  

but i would be open to raising the retirement age.

and the other thing that you seem to forget, cjdohio, is that the reason medicare
is so expensive is because of COSTS

cutting very, very popular programs is not a way to control costs.

Fact: Streamlined efficent government not bloated lazy government full of entitlements that we can’t afford no matter how much you want to tax!

Good Lt.

It’s their money, not yours.

Hush!  The grown ups are talking.

Fact: Hey tax man!
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4000000000000/280218971= $14,274.551 per person before tax done over ten years.
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so logically you agree, then, that fox news is a political arm of the republican party

So your argument is greed is just the American way? 

what jobs?

boy, there are some total morons on this thread, kitty

beware

this is actually an ipso facto argument for:

*closing loopholes

*raising taxes

nice one!

Fact: thank God the Tea Party has got the US to look at spending at too large of percentage to GDP! Yes they will again be a force in 2012 and S&P agrred that we spend to much on Entitlements and we need major cuts but Obama’s signed budget act of 2011 got us downgraded. IIene K where did Tea Party sign this bill into law? can you post a copy?

Fact: thank God the Tea Party has got the US to look at spending at too large of percentage to GDP! Yes they will again be a force in 2012 and S&P agrred that we spend to much on Entitlements and we need major cuts but Obama’s signed budget act of 2011 got us downgraded. IIene K where did Tea Party sign this bill into law? can you post a copy?

We will know by this evening.

???????????

???????????

so tax increase and no cuts , i got it

so tax increase and no cuts , i got it

it’s amazing how utterly in denial these teabaggers are!!

utterly AMAZING!

fact:  the primary reason for our deficit, which teabaggers are literally OBSESSED
with and hysterical over, is THE BUSH TAX CUTS.

and now, when democrats talk about reducing the deficit, through tax increases,
SUDDENLY, that’s “stealing from the rich” or “hurting job creators” or some 
such nonsense.

you guys are literally off the rails crazy.  literally!

Yeah, janitors, dummy. It’s the cleanup crew

Can you read? Rachel Maddow claimed that. Watch the video and see for yourself that MSDNC is in fact the Democrats talking points political station. Heck Mika has taken White House talking points from her Blackberry live on the air.

The best way Republicans can get on top is by just trying to trick
people, like trying to say global warming is false, or that renewable
energy is stupid, or that Obama is trying to kill old people by making
healthcare mandatory (while Republicans try to take it away, how does
that help grandma).

Or how about sending out fake early voting ballots with the wrong return address and the wrong return date.

Didn’t mention which ones, asshole, but check your government employee listings, if you can read, you may find another 5-10thousand govt jobs of which alot are expendable. Don’t put words in my mouth bitch.

Fact: Under Reagan economy was a boom but Obama economy is just the bust and downgrade! That is the big threat difference don’t you see how clear it is!

Fact: Under Reagan economy was a boom but Obama economy is just the bust and downgrade! That is the big threat difference don’t you see how clear it is!

nonsense

nonsense

Oil field regulations. I  know you’re gonna hate that one, but we could go on.

Fact: No facts Jack! right!

i hope you get cancer one day, lose your home and family……and have nothing
to rely on, but medicare

All 3 of them.

Arguing with you Darla is like the yankees playing a ten year old little league team, go back to bed. Whatever you do, don’t try to absorb anything into your fat head, you may actually learn something rather than the bullshit on media matters. Go hang with your friends over there, you can all commiserate over the future of America under a republican pres.

Fact: One term the anoited one is doing it himself without anyones help. God bless America!

You’re so knowledgable about the bible, how could I possibly argue with your logic……..Not. Some of us have actually read the bible and Hitchens and Plato and Niezsche and Rand and Hayek  etc….. Your pretend knowledge doesn’t pass the laugh test.

You’re so knowledgable about the bible, how could I possibly argue with your logic……..Not. Some of us have actually read the bible and Hitchens and Plato and Niezsche and Rand and Hayek  etc….. Your pretend knowledge doesn’t pass the laugh test.

how is a massive giveaway to the private insurance/pharma industry a “liberal”
policy?

tell us, genius

only if the other 375 let them

only if the other 375 let them

do you think oil fields should be regulated?

affect, stupid.

hey f*ck face—

i never said “no cuts”

let’s cut defense, not the entitlements that people already pay into
their whole lives

And that warms the cockles of my heart, taxing the rich was the original argument, now we’ve effectively moved the goal posts to “balanced approach”.  Soon we will make the dems understand that the folks need jobs which will increase revenue and strengthen our economy.  More socialism is not the answer and you guys are finally waking up to that fact.

Bush tax cuts, what a laugh.  If is so stupid, why did barry keep them going? Now it’s “barry’s tax cuts”.

and did obama actually “redistribute” any wealth, except upwards?

no, he didn’t. 

INTERESTING YOU THINK EVERYONE IS ON WELFARE,LIVE IN THEIR MOMMIES BASEMENT,ARE GAY OR ANY OTHER STUPID SAYING FOX ENTERTAINMENT CHANNEL HAS TOLD YOU TO SAY/BELIEVE! ANOTHER SMALL WORLD DWELLER OF FOXANIA!

INTERESTING YOU THINK EVERYONE IS ON WELFARE,LIVE IN THEIR MOMMIES BASEMENT,ARE GAY OR ANY OTHER STUPID SAYING FOX ENTERTAINMENT CHANNEL HAS TOLD YOU TO SAY/BELIEVE! ANOTHER SMALL WORLD DWELLER OF FOXANIA!

INTERESTING YOU THINK EVERYONE IS ON WELFARE,LIVE IN THEIR MOMMIES BASEMENT,ARE GAY OR ANY OTHER STUPID SAYING FOX ENTERTAINMENT CHANNEL HAS TOLD YOU TO SAY/BELIEVE! ANOTHER SMALL WORLD DWELLER OF FOXANIA!

No but you are a serious joke. How can you in your right mind think that TeaTards who are voting against their own self interest should have nothing but scorn and redicule from the intelligent people in this country. Anyone who is against raising taxes on the top 2% of the population is an idiot plain and simple. Anyone who doesn’t want universal health care for every one is either mean spirited or an idiot. Everyone who wants to cut Social Security in favor of keeping military spending is an idiot, plain and simple. What this is all about is your racists bigoted hatred of having a black man president. The TeaTurds are a population of FOX news enthusiasts that have shut off their brain to learning years ago. You are a traitor Real. YOu are a scoflaw who wants the eminities of our country but doesn’t want to pay for them.

No but you are a serious joke. How can you in your right mind think that TeaTards who are voting against their own self interest should have nothing but scorn and redicule from the intelligent people in this country. Anyone who is against raising taxes on the top 2% of the population is an idiot plain and simple. Anyone who doesn’t want universal health care for every one is either mean spirited or an idiot. Everyone who wants to cut Social Security in favor of keeping military spending is an idiot, plain and simple. What this is all about is your racists bigoted hatred of having a black man president. The TeaTurds are a population of FOX news enthusiasts that have shut off their brain to learning years ago. You are a traitor Real. YOu are a scoflaw who wants the eminities of our country but doesn’t want to pay for them.

No but you are a serious joke. How can you in your right mind think that TeaTards who are voting against their own self interest should have nothing but scorn and redicule from the intelligent people in this country. Anyone who is against raising taxes on the top 2% of the population is an idiot plain and simple. Anyone who doesn’t want universal health care for every one is either mean spirited or an idiot. Everyone who wants to cut Social Security in favor of keeping military spending is an idiot, plain and simple. What this is all about is your racists bigoted hatred of having a black man president. The TeaTurds are a population of FOX news enthusiasts that have shut off their brain to learning years ago. You are a traitor Real. YOu are a scoflaw who wants the eminities of our country but doesn’t want to pay for them.

defense? what about all the jobs that will be lost?

What is wrong with you, idiot boy? You want to lose your social security. Just tell me how the national debt is effecting your lifestyle?

What is wrong with you, idiot boy? You want to lose your social security. Just tell me how the national debt is effecting your lifestyle?

I pay more in taxes every year then you make, Lt. Dan.

Well Ed, I’m sure we could dig up a few clips in your own archives that would explain it to you.
It’s human nature to feel good about a validation that you have been right all along, after having been lied about and demonized for your assertions.
It’s just a great big “I told you so” for a lot of people and a few are a little too pleased about that. A few Ed.
Nobody is happy that we have actually confirmed our slide into the abyss. They’re just hopeful that this evidence will trigger a reversal of policy to turn this juggernaut around.

Why not? All the Republican candidates seem to believe he is.

Yeah, booed by libs!!  I think he’s ok with that.  The sane people of WI see that he’s turned the economy around and provided a SURPLUS!!

Sweetie, I wear that fact that you libs hate me as a badge of honor!!  Bring it!

You claim to have read the works of all these people but it is a little surprising that someone who considers them-self so intelligent would assume things. I’ve read all the works you’re referring too. Thanks for making no real contribution to this debate though, except attempting and failing to show you’re more knowledgeable than me. You see, it doesn’t matter if you know more, it matters if you can make a persuasive argument that you know more. You have failed on both accounts.

Maybe if Tea Baggers were less like you, less willingly to switch the subject or blame Obama, or call their opponents wrong without explaining why, you and your Tea Party idiots wouldn’t be #1 on America’s **** list.

You half assed piece of white trash. Don’t call people what you are. Are you employed? Are you an employer? What are you doing for this society but distorting the truth and spreading hate.

You know every other cilvilized country has universal health care. Thanks for keeping us a second rate country. Good job!

Republicans are cheathing theiving pricks and their minions the TeaIdiots are too stupid to see anything different because they are racists and bigots who can’t stand the thought of a black man being in the White House. That is what this is all about. MIllionaire Republicans endoctrinating idiots to do their bidding.

Government spending does create jobs and usually directly. Most often, by funding projects that are done by private companies. While cutting spending is needed, there has to be some evaluation of the job loss from it. That evaluation is sorely missing here. And there is job loss. Smaller government by definition is fewer jobs. Reduced spending is by definition fewer jobs.

If raising taxes does not create jobs, then obviously both Reagan and Clinton – who both raised taxes – did not create jobs. But they did! And they raised taxes!

The tax thing is a fallacy put out there by those that don’t want to pay taxes. History will tell you that. Also, Obama has repeatedly cut taxes. Where are those jobs?

Look at it this way – taxes are the lowest in over 50 years. Federal revenues are the lowest in 10 years. Every month, the job report shows lost government jobs. This last one had 37,000 lost government jobs. What changed? Less spending. This is not anything but simple math.

And the tax cuts and minimal regulation have been with us for a decade. Where are the jobs? Obama sure hasn’t created any, but neither did Bush.

The only way to beat the debt/deficit is to both cut spending and increase revenue. This is basic business. Just cutting spending won’t do it and just increasing revenue won’t do it. Takes both.

DarlaLoon is absolutely unhinged today.  She’s lost her marbles. lol

What you don’t want to realize that the repubaggers had no fucking business attaching anything to this bill. congress spent the money and shouldn’t  be allowed to vote on paying their bilsl, repubaggers held up congress until they got their way.

Take responsibility for your fuck ups for once. 

Again the finger pointing.  Take no responsibility.  Do not defend actions or opinions.  Just attack attack attack.

How transparently pathetic.  RaL, you can’t defend MSNBC.  Just admit it.

neither party can pass bills without……..the other party

Incorrect.

How’d Obamacare get passed?

Were there any GOP votes for it? Who?

Yeah, that must be it.

*rolls eyes*

No, no.

He wants OTHERS to be taxed at 65%.

No, you don’t.

That would require you having a job.

No, you don’t.

That would require you having a job.

The tears of a lib, love it. Your ad hominem attacks are meaningless and redundant. Your strawman is laughable, your name calling entertaining, your logic faulty. Your suggestion is class warfare, the tyranny of the masses against a small group of people. Hey, Hitler had that idea too, they were called the jews then, I guess we’ll call them the rich now. Thanks.

The tears of a lib, love it. Your ad hominem attacks are meaningless and redundant. Your strawman is laughable, your name calling entertaining, your logic faulty. Your suggestion is class warfare, the tyranny of the masses against a small group of people. Hey, Hitler had that idea too, they were called the jews then, I guess we’ll call them the rich now. Thanks.

Milwaukee to see net gain from state budget:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/s...

Milwaukee to see net gain from state budget:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/s...

You’re right. If anyone tanked the economy, it certainly wasn’t the Tea Party. They are just an easy target for the President to say “it wasn’t me, they started it” to deflect blame for his own failures and those of his party..
Prisons are full of people who blame anyone but themselves for their screw ups. I’m not saying they should be in prison, just noting the similar attitudes.

You’re right. If anyone tanked the economy, it certainly wasn’t the Tea Party. They are just an easy target for the President to say “it wasn’t me, they started it” to deflect blame for his own failures and those of his party..
Prisons are full of people who blame anyone but themselves for their screw ups. I’m not saying they should be in prison, just noting the similar attitudes.

oops …..
Democrats helped by debt debate, Republicans hurt according to poll
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60952.html#ixzz1UYKNV3gD

Poll released today …

The stats only go back to 2006 but this is the highest unfavorable rating for the Republicans shown at 59%. OUCH! Favorable is only 33%. “a net negative 10-point shift from less than a month ago”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60952.html#ixzz1UYNm8G6f

The Dems on the other hand are 47% unfavorable and 47% favorable.

oops …..
Democrats helped by debt debate, Republicans hurt according to poll
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60952.html#ixzz1UYKNV3gD

Poll released today …

The stats only go back to 2006 but this is the highest unfavorable rating for the Republicans shown at 59%. OUCH! Favorable is only 33%. “a net negative 10-point shift from less than a month ago”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60952.html#ixzz1UYNm8G6f

The Dems on the other hand are 47% unfavorable and 47% favorable.

I laugh hysterically every time you post that definition. That was liberalism in the 60′s & early 70′s. It doesn’t exist anymore. It has become the exact opposite.

President Obama has lower income tax, but you are too busy lying to appreciate all the good he has   done. Maybe you don’t work, don’t get sick or use your much needed education.

Next fool President Obama isn’t going to raise taxes on 98% of us. What you falsely call a “tax hike” is actually making the rich and big businesses pay their damn fair share. 

President Obama has lower income tax, but you are too busy lying to appreciate all the good he has   done. Maybe you don’t work, don’t get sick or use your much needed education.

Next fool President Obama isn’t going to raise taxes on 98% of us. What you falsely call a “tax hike” is actually making the rich and big businesses pay their damn fair share. 

I wonder why big Ed didn’t tape his show with the riots of the blacks beating up innocent white people leaving the state fair in the background?

I wonder why big Ed didn’t tape his show with the riots of the blacks beating up innocent white people leaving the state fair in the background?

this is actually an ipso facto argument for:

*closing loopholes

Yes, it is. Simplifying the tax code has always been a position of…DUN DUN DUNNNNN…Grover Norquist. Oops.

Glad you agree with the Tea Party.

*raising taxes

nice one!

No, it isn’t. Closing a loophole is not an increase in a tax RATE. If you’re paying 35% corporate rate, closing an exemption or loophole for employing workers in the US doesn’t change the rate you’re paying.

It’s almost as if you don’t know what you’re talking about.

SUCH A “SPECIAL’ LITTLE GIRL YOU ARE!

You need an reality check. repubaggers are the epitome of the ”good ole days” of 1828. The confederate flag says it all. rotf 

Link?

So you’re a bean counter, then?

That’s racist.

Exactly! Both parties made this mess and now neither will take responsibility or act like an adult when trying to deal with it.

Reasonable… if you want people to understand what you have to say, you should try speaking clearly.  I’m tired of your constant whining that, “I didn’t say that,” or “That’s not what I meant.”  Speak clearly, and we won’t keep having this discussion.

But to answer the question you asked: “Or are you still oblivious to the hypocrisy?” is what you said.  To which I replied, “Please provide me with some examples of the hypocrisy I posted.”  In other words, you said I was oblivious the hypocrisy in what I posted… so what was it?  Where was I “missing” something hypocritical?  Yeesh.

“Unlike you I don’t pin bullshit on other people.” says Reasonable… and then pins all the economic woes on the Tea Party and Republicans.  Riiight.  Sure you don’t pin things on people, Reasonable.

As I have said before the Tea Party and some Republicans knew exactly what they were willing to negotiate with, and where their boundaries were.  The Democrats were no more willing to compromise.  That is evidenced by Reid’s statements BEFORE bills were finished and passed, that he would kill them in the Senate.  That’s not compromise.

So what games were the Republicans playing here?  Be specific.  I can’t criticize if I don’t know what you’re talking about.

Oh, and of course both sides say “the will of the people” and “the American people know” and so on.  All politicians do that (and I think it’s stupid).  But it seems that in recent memory (and correct me if I’m wrong) that the Democrats seem to get very loud and complain when there’s “gridlock” when their in majority control.  When they’re in minority control, apparently things are different.  And while all that is typical political strategy, the folks on sites like this who repeat such nonsense are only echoing foolishness, and proving themselves political hacks (IMO).

And as for the Town Hall presentations, I personally found them to be obnoxious… just as I do when Democrats do the EXACT SAME THING.  But there was a difference between the Republican “grassroots” events and the Democratic union-sponsored movements.  There was no evidence of Republican plants… just a lot of shouting by those on the left.  For the Democrats, however, there was clear organization, buses, pre-printed uniform signage, and evidence of a central organizing force.  So yes, there was a difference.

Wow, that video is amazing!  It just proves the point that the guy named Maddow is both incredibly stupid and a giant hypocrite.

Right, because both sides are so deeply dug in to their positions that any compromise is near impossible.

Hush!  The grown ups are talking.

Cool! Let me know when they get here.

You don’t like the fact that some people have more money than you do and they can spend it as the wish after they pay taxes on it.

We get it. Now go away. Adults earn, save and spend money.

Children steal it.

It’s true, but don’t let your laziness, lack of finding anything on google and your limited education hinder you. Maybe you need call a researcher.

http://www.businessinsider.com/race-war-heats-up-at-wisconsin-state-fairwait-the-race-war-2011-8

All you have to do is google it. You won’t see it on the lame stream media.

Typical repubagger not taking any responsibility for any of their fuck ups.

Yeah a REAL crowd of people AT NIGHT you idiot.

I’m proud of being a Ed-bot, he’s honest, truthful, funny, knowledgeable, for the people and REAL.

faux news is a propaganda arm of the rich and greedy.

Actually, GOP flat out refuses to increase revenues. It is a good thing to read the entire sentence.

Dems refuse to cut entitlements, which need a good trimming and GOP refuses to even discuss tax increases which are needed for any serious deficit reduction.

As far as the “where is the plan” nonsense, remember, it was the House GOP that walked away from negotiations. In writing. So no plan was ever published because Boehner and Cantor stopped the process just before a plan would have been delivered.

I am sure there are negotiation documents, but they are generally not released if negotiations fail, which these did.

No, I don’t think everyone is on welfare, just most of the Obama supporters.  See that is how the liberals in this country have gained so much power, they’ve given handouts to the people that voted for them. (See London)  Seeing as how you were so offended by my suggestion, It’s safe to say, I was correct.  How’s the cheese?  You do know there is no dairy in it right?

No, I don’t think everyone is on welfare, just most of the Obama supporters.  See that is how the liberals in this country have gained so much power, they’ve given handouts to the people that voted for them. (See London)  Seeing as how you were so offended by my suggestion, It’s safe to say, I was correct.  How’s the cheese?  You do know there is no dairy in it right?

No video?  Just some people saying it happened.  According to the right if there is no video it’s a lie.  Isn’t that right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question_of_fact

Please give it up brownspot.

If the House Republicans had agreed to the gang of six plan this would have been over weeks ago. Way to hold everything up just to try to mangle the Constitution, no kidding that’s not going to get passed. These House Republicans should be ashamed of the way they’ve acted, especially in contrast to the bipartisanship shown by our Senate.

People always complain when they don’t get everything they want. That’s what makes governing from the middle difficult. Boehner got 98% of what he wanted from this deal, his words.

what did Jesus do with the money collectors and tax collectors?

The House Republicans stood in the way of the gang of six plan, which would have reformed entitlements.  That’s why I blame them

Never.  That degree of culpable ignorance is terminal.  People goose-stepping into oblivion.

Maybe you can explain why you want to lose jobs by cutting the governments budget in the midst of a recession. Maybe you can explain why you rather see 44,000 people die a year rather than give every one health insurance? Maybe you can explain the largest gap between rich and poor in the country’s history. Maybe you can explain why TeaTards are protecting the top 2% of the country from getting a tax increase? Maybe you can explain why we need to keep giving oil companies subsidies? Maybe you can explain why we need to give company’s with corporate jets a tax break? Maybe you can explain why Elizabeth Warren wasn’t confirmed head of the consumer protection agency? Maybe you can explain why the Republican watered down the financial reform act of last year? You got a lot F$%^ explaining to do, chief. Better get at it.

How about investing in a television?

I’d learn how to spell and form a sentence before referring to anyone as an idiot, or prick or any other derogatory term.  

What chapter of the Klan do you belong to?

we don’t want your “eminities” lol
(amenities – doofus)

You are a chuckle a minute.  I would imagine you’re a kid who hasn’t quite figured out which side your bread is buttered on.  Damn bread keeps falling on the floor butter down.  

Perhaps a one way ticket to London to help your fellow hoodlums fight the good fight. Maybe you’d even make it on t.v.

lol

More bad news for the GOTP.

Americans’ message on joint debt panel: Let’s make a deal
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-08-09-debt-poll_n.htm

The USA TODAY Poll finds solid majorities in favor of raising income tax
rates on top earners (66%), raising revenues by making changes in the
tax code (60%) and cutting domestic spending (59%).

More bad news for the GOTP.

Americans’ message on joint debt panel: Let’s make a deal
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-08-09-debt-poll_n.htm

The USA TODAY Poll finds solid majorities in favor of raising income tax
rates on top earners (66%), raising revenues by making changes in the
tax code (60%) and cutting domestic spending (59%).

Quit changing your name and creating new profiles, we didn’t care what you said when you were proobamaagenda and we don’t care now.

Quit changing your name and creating new profiles, we didn’t care what you said when you were proobamaagenda and we don’t care now.

I love how you constantly cherry pick polls, Smelly Kat.  Keep on those rose-colored glasses. 

Proof positive. This bodes well……….

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60952.html

How’s that welfare cheese bunny?

ROFLMBAO!!!

MSNBC The official Democratic channel had Thomas Roberts implying Tuesday that members of Congress who oppose efforts to inject more government spending into the economy, as President Barack Obama proposed recently, are committing an “act of treason”

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/#ixzz1UYWH6DAJ

MSNBC The official Democratic channel had Thomas Roberts implying Tuesday that members of Congress who oppose efforts to inject more government spending into the economy, as President Barack Obama proposed recently, are committing an “act of treason”

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/#ixzz1UYWH6DAJ

Well Ed it is like this, sometime you just have to say ( no ) to your kids then explain that they should be happy with what they have ! Maybe it will help them grow up to be decent and responsible adults.

Well Ed it is like this, sometime you just have to say ( no ) to your kids then explain that they should be happy with what they have ! Maybe it will help them grow up to be decent and responsible adults.

Idiot mugwump!  The only thing worse than a liberal who turns conservative is a conservative who turns liberal.

AHHH, Ed Schultz, MSNBC’s resident hatemonger.  Do people really believe his lies?

“TMP”

The talking slut?

The talking slut?

I, for one, don’t care for Leftist such as yourself. It’s reason enough for me.

Overall opinion of the #TeaParty movement: Favorable 31% / Unfavorable 51% (CNN/ORC Poll) http://t.co/3GlxRY3

The gang of six plan was never presented in it’s entirety with specific details.  The CBO  couldn’t score it!

You should educate yourself on what happened.

deep thoughts.

Yeah, but Obama’s lies are the TRVTH. It’s good to be The Messiah.

Line up your glasses, folks because if this drinking game is anything like the “Every time a right-winger rants about Obama in a thread that has nothing to do with Obama” game we’re going to have a lot of drunk people on the left and right.

When did the Senate vote on that? When did the House vote on it?

I agree cj, if the Democraps got behind a reasonable bill it would have passed.  They chose to be Party Line leftists in the whole process.  A democrat from the Black Caucus wouldn’t ever think of voting for a Republican bill no matter how good it was.

These people who are blaming the Tea Party for the problems that Obama created are just Liberal Party Hacks and now the Democraps are the “Party of NO”!  

Math would be your friend, if you’d ever met. How much power did the 95 Dems who voted against the bill that passed have? More or less than the 66 GOP’ers that voted against it?

Game of Life, I am sorry you are poor and bitter.  In your next life, maybe you can try harder to be self-sufficient.  Just sayin.

Colorado voters by 54/39 margin, NC by 50/42 still blame Bush more than Obama for the recession:http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/08/swing-state-deficit-polling.html

The last “referendum” on Walker went like this:

Kloppenberg lost.

I expect the same thing this evening.  Scott Walker and is patriot and shall prevail.

AND THE “JOB CREATORS”!   HE SMITES THEIR ASSES!

Hey Einstein, George Bush’s name will be nowhere on the ballot in 2012.  At the current rate, this clown will be lucky to escape a primary challange next year. 

Yeah we know all about Justice David Prosser and his anger-management problems. We will see where the choking charges of a fellow justice lead.

As for Scott Walker, he will be gone soon enough, along with the following staffer:

http://wonkette.com/442377/scott-walker-demotes-lobbyist-donors-son-to-other-position-hes-unqualified-for

The Tea Party are right…Obvious you know nothing, and a bagger yourself.

Ed, the talking horse’s ass, Schultz must live on another planet.  LOL

And that would be…..’just like all the Presidents before him’…..Debt Ceiling Raise asked for–Debt Ceilling Raise Agreed To By Congress!!!  There have been alot of record-idiot-moves by both Dems&Repubs……lets just hope&pray that they ALL get their acts together for whats best for the country!  Even more so, that we, the people, get our acts together and realize that a ‘brutally-divided country’ is a ‘brutally-lost-country!’

And that would be…..’just like all the Presidents before him’…..Debt Ceiling Raise asked for–Debt Ceilling Raise Agreed To By Congress!!!  There have been alot of record-idiot-moves by both Dems&Repubs……lets just hope&pray that they ALL get their acts together for whats best for the country!  Even more so, that we, the people, get our acts together and realize that a ‘brutally-divided country’ is a ‘brutally-lost-country!’

I’m all for a primary challenge.  I actually belong to a 3rd party.  Just as long as the blackmailing, hostage taking GOTP never gains any real power again I’m happy.  I’m not loyal to a party I’m loyal to my values.

Ed Schitz is no more than a mainstream media slut.
When I watch him (which is rare)….I know that I am 50% of his audience.

Get informed, the President stood up and stated Social Security checks were in jeopardy off not going out unless a compromise was reached on raising the debt ceiling, which was WRONG! According to the non-partisan CBO and the Treasury Department, the US Government will take in around 160 billion in taxes in August. Interest on the debt gets paid first, which will be about 20 billion. Next SOCIAL SECURITY gets paid, duh! Then MEDICARE, after that Medicaid and all federal payrolls, including the military’s. (President Obama put the scare in military families as well.)

If the debt ceiling wouldn’t have been raised US Government would have been short around 35 billion or so. Foreign Aid, students applying for Pell Grants, government contractors etc more than likely would have ended up on the short end of the stick, NOT SENIORS. Are you familiar with the saying “political suicide”? Oh, then there’s the good ole Fed, which could have used accounting gimmicks to cover some of what the government wouldn’t have been able to cover with no raise in the debt ceiling. 

Note: to challenge my point explain EXACTLY why, based on tax collections in August and current reserves in the US Treasury, the US Government would have DEFAULTED on it’s debt obligations minus a rise in the debt ceiling. Pure rhetorical criticism is for the intellectually weak, are the rantings of sheep and the uninformed. (PS: John King on CNN demonstrated exactly what I just stated using a techno chart and came to the same conclusions as I, video is probably available at YouTube.)  Possible default in the month of August was a TOTAL SCAM! 20 billion in interest? As if we would have willingly not paid it! Bhahahahahaha! Oh, and don’t tell me “Well, they weren’t talking about August per se, just some time in the future.” WRONG! More like “August 2nd is set to be economic Armageddon, tell one tell all, raise the debt ceiling or else total collapse!”

Stop buying into what the politician spews out of his or her mouth. Dumbocrats & Repukes have monopoly power over our political process and it’s time we stand up & take action. Registered as a Dumbocrat or Repuke? STOP drinking the kool-aide and STOP kidding yourself, one party is no better than the other, if you believe otherwise they have won! And, turn off Fox News & MSNBC, garner some intellectual curiosity for a change and formulate your opinions on each issue as it presents itself. Avoid the party/ideological talking points and you’ll feel LIBERATED!

So fat head Ed is at it again. If fat head Ed would have looked up the vote on the debt ceiling, he would know that there were 95 democrats that voted against while only 66 republicans voted against.
Not surprising from a network of losers. Does anyone know about Rachael Madcow being sued and what for?
One by one this network of losers either gets booted or suspended. Must be all those truths.

What party is that?  Oh let me guess . . . . . . .

http://www.cpusa.org/

What party is that?  Oh let me guess . . . . . . .

http://www.cpusa.org/

What “hardship?” There is no real hardship in this country. Even if you do everything wrong, the nanny state will take care of you.

Fat Ed hasn’t seen anything yet.

I think the ‘blind tea hate” has you confused as to “who” did “what” and “why”! Granny hostage?

I think the ‘blind tea hate” has you confused as to “who” did “what” and “why”! Granny hostage?

So, Ryan and Cantor are democrats and the republicans are the ones that said “leave entitlements alone”? Would that “punishment” from Obama be that extra money you got last year?

Don’t be ridiculous.

Yes,   wake up!

Ed, has made reference to his taxable income and  stated” he would pay more” because he could afford to! Now what?

Maybe u can get a job u waste too much time here.
Maybe u can volunteer ur time to a good cause. Im sorry , ur a GOPzombie , ur mind only thinks about screwing people out of their money. Nice try

Maybe u can get a job u waste too much time here.
Maybe u can volunteer ur time to a good cause. Im sorry , ur a GOPzombie , ur mind only thinks about screwing people out of their money. Nice try

A Plane leaves LAX under the control of a Jewish Captain.
His Co-Pilot is Chinese.
Its the first time they’ve flown together, and an awkward silence between the two 
seems to indicate a mutual dislike.
Once they reach cruising altitude, the Jewish Captain activates the auto-pilot, 
leans back in his seat and mutters, “I don’t like Chinese.”
“No rike Chinese?” asks the Co-Pilot,”…why not?”
“You people bombed Peal Harbor, thats why!”
“No, no,” the Co-Pilot protests, Chinese not bomb Peahl Hahbah!  That Japanese,
not Chinese.”
“Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese…doesn’t matter, your’e all alike!”
There’s a few moments of silence.
“I no rike Jews either!” the Co-Pilot suddenly announces.
“Oh yeah, why not?” Asks the Captain.
“Jews sink Titanic.”
“What? Thats insane!  Jews didn’t sink the Titanic!” exclaims the Captain, it was an iceberg!”
“Iceberg, Goldberg.Greenberg, Rosenberg…no mattah… all same!

I guess also Mediate will never talk or show where MSNBC morning show criticizes and calls them stupid like Ed and others on the left for blaming the tea party. 
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/scarborough-terminally-stupid-ideologues-should-stop-using-the-tea-party-as-a-pinata/

That proves there is no accounting for or cure for stupid.

Percentage of what liberals, democrats and some republicans (rinos) know about the Tea Party movement: zero.

Percentage of liberals, democrats and some republicans (rinos) lie about the Tea Party movement:
100 percent.

But he is right…

Statistics can be made to fit any agenda. The democrat liberals will gulp this down but beware of the gastric disturbance to come.

Who did they poll? Where? Polls are not reliable, and this is typical liberal crap except for the cutting spending part. How did they deny that? I’m sure that no real people believe that you can have meaningful spending cuts and increase taxes at the same time.

Or the riots in London.

I seem to remember a headline the vaunted media printed:

DEWEY WINS!

He didn’t.

If you only go to leftist sources of course you are going to get leftist stats. Bad science supported by bad statistics. You really don’t understand statistics in relation to politics do you?

“The Tea Partiers and Republicans need to go down in flames.”

Let the one without sin cast the first stone.

Or registering the deceased, and voting on absentee ballots with those names on them like Acorn did in 2008 from sea to shining sea? No, I am afraid vote fraud is the exclusive domain of the liberals.

If it were passed by congress why didn’t it go to the senate or at least to Reid? Why don’t you check your facts before coming off like a fool?

Not only are you ignorant, abusive and dishonorable, but you are stupid as well? This is the first four count moron statement on this thread so far. Speaking of so far, grasp your earlobes and pull until you hear a loud pop and see a bright light.

Too bad you are going to  be ignorant and petty in any life you come back as, even as a maggot.

I don’t check liberal URLs just so you can have more hits. Your funding strategy will fail.

You want reading material go to your local library and read a real book.
Lame liberal Imbeciles

If you don’t understand how the national debt affects your life, you have to be the dumbest human being in  America. Have you bought groceries lately? The National debt is linked to the value of the currency, you dolt.

Your lies are old, and you don’t say them particularly well.

One thing dummy, President Obama wanted a clean bill and repubaggers wouldn’t do it. Twist in the wind you crazies, this one was all repubaggers’ doing. Bet on it,  there is going to be more of their bs in the future.

The proof?

NAACP official jailed for 5 years because of voter fraud. Those racists do this all the time.

Why isn’t this on the MSM.

“TMP”

http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/29/mississippi-naacp-leader-sent-to-prison-for-10-counts-of-voter-fraud/

HAHAHA YOU FUN=NEE

Sort of like when I was serving in Vietnam and the peace activists were hiding from the draft board? Yeah, just like that.

Hey Lurch, nobody rang.

Yeah after 8 years your nutcake raygun left us in a deficit and the US with a rotten name around the world. Man, you are a genius I tell ya.

FYI – raygun didn’t have shit to do with knocking down the wall. You’re welcome.

Actually, my mother did wear combat boots, was an expert pistol shot and a cryptographic analyst at the Pentagon in the Korean War. No insult to me. Lurch is too stupid to be insulted or understand that his crap is crap.

And you are really old for recognizing that.

Nothing funny about that – why didn’t your mother?

WTF Man? you idiots have done enough without any outside help. Are you blind?

Tonight we will send you koch suckers and lying, cheating sob walker wankers back under your rocks.

You don’t know anything about the Tea Party or it’s members. Parroting liberal propaganda is nearly as ignorant as the fool who originated it in the first place.

You don’t know anything about the Tea Party or it’s members. Parroting
liberal propaganda is nearly as ignorant as the fool who originated it
in the first place.

You don’t know anything about the Tea Party or it’s members. Parroting
liberal propaganda is nearly as ignorant as the fool who originated it
in the first place.

Extremist Tea Party ideas will bring disruption.
These TP’ers are loose cannons.

the Tea Party knows what it did

Yes eddie, the Tea Party knows what it did. Tried to wake up Washington like the rest of the world is doing. unfortunately, The Old Guard left and right with their high salaries and chistmas envelopes chose to ignore them. Welcome to washington as usual… Please all.. remember to vote.

I agree whole heartedly with the first point, kinda on the second, and not so much on the third.  To spread the tax burden all citizens who have money to spend  (either by earning a paycheck or being ‘gifted’ from family) should be subject to taxes.  Only those who have no money and no access to money shouldn’t have to pay, or those too poor (which is a complicated question but needs to err on side of the poor even at risk of fraudsters and people gaming the system).

Spending cuts barely touch the rich, do effect the poor, and also effect  the middle class.

Increasing taxes only those that already pay most of the taxes isn’t fare.  It will be far more fare, and raise far more taxes if you tax everyone.  Primarily that means extending taxes downward, not upward.  Even those earning a little can pay a little, like when I was a kid and had to come up with a  buck or so per day in order to get the ‘free’ lunch.  I didn’t like it, my mother couldn’t arguably  afford it, but we did it anyways. To extend that analogy:  If one rich kid pays $7.99 for his lunch because he’s rich and the middle class kids pay $1 and the poor pay nothing how much revenue do you think will be raised versus charging everyone .50 cents?

That is why I gave the LOL to IM NOT BLUE.  Because I used that same phrase once to him. (I think, it was a while ago.)  It is a joke I use frequently, since I very seldom use profanity, I choose clever quips and sarcasm.

I never liked you!     

Purveyor

This has got to be the stupidest comment I’ve read all year. Thanks Pablo.

“I never liked you!”

That is not a requirement, and I remain nonplussed by that admission.

However, my mom was a soldier who served in the crypto section at the Pentagon in 1950 through 1953, as I said in a previous post. When someone uses that old joke I respond to it with what was the matter with your mom for not wearing combat boots.

Only a fool believes the lies of other fools.

Again, my sarcastic comment was meant to be relative to IMNOTBLUE’s comment.  I too am sick of the hyperbolae coming from the Socialist-Democrats.  I have been Tea Party since spring of 2009.

Also, I frequently tell the people to Google the Tea Party platform.  Most, subsequently, find much of the platform quite reasonable.  Because, they have only been listening to nonsense news, they did not know any better!

Happy now?

Purveyor.

I really did think that “re-codifying the 3/5ths clause” was so absurd it would be obvious.  Apparently, not!

Haven’t you ever read my Posts?  Lord, I am a Philosopher Warrior of Conservatism!

Then we agree.

I didn’t have a problem to begin with. If you have read anything I have posted you would understand that I also don’t care for the lies and propaganda from the left.

We see more eye to eye than we should be at crossed dagger points.

The first time I saw one of your Posts, I thought it was based on the song “Doo Wa Ditty Ditty Dum de Dum” “Snappin her fingers and a shufflin her feet, singin…” I even sent you a Post, but, then I put on my glasses. Oops! LOL

Sorry but I did not see that as absurd since so many serious lefties keep bringing that up. I am new to this site, but thanks for the heads up.

TEA Party was not looked at so badly before the Dems started spreading their lies and poison. Most people still don’t even know what the TEA Party movement is all about. Look what happened with 1 smarmy sentence of propaganda from John Kerry that it id the “Tea Party downgrade”. They trash it like they are scared shtless of them.

Not a big fan of Manfred Mann, but that’s OK it was funny.
My kids inspired that – dude from one and daddio from the other. It was just the best way I could put the two together. *kids – both over 30 now.

No harm, no foul.

They are. The last November elections scared the sh*t out of them so they will smear and slander anyone who associates themselves with the Tea Party.

“TMP”

Go to the beginning of this thread. I like to post jokes occasionally. Theres a good one! LOL Anyway, humor without body language can be misinterpreted, “no harm no foul.”

Overfed, redhead, Edith Schultzie still hates Middle America or as some refer to The True Americans, the Heart of America. Does the fat man ever shut up? He thinks of himself as some kind of Jimmy Hoffa/Mobster character who pimps union bosses but, could care less abouit the union members, many of whom are also Tea Party fans. I still laugh at the paltry crowd for his so called Washington DC duel with Glenn Beck where old fatso Ed had 20,000 show up while Beck had 500,000 show up for his rally. And Beck’s crowd left the mall spotless while overfed Ed’s crowd left the mall looking like 20,000 hogs came wallowing through rooting up the place amd cost us $1,000,000.00 in cleanup costs. Probably the way Fat Ed’s house looks like. .

Way to go Ed!!  Keep up the fight!!  I moved my operation and my crew to Wisconsin to help out.  

I just cringe every time I hear Ed Schitz call the Dems in Wisconsin a “grassroots coalition”
THEY’RE A UNION….EDDIE BOY!!
That excludes any grassroots label.

Vickeee tactics

I wouldn’t know anything about this, as I do not waste my time watching this beef jerky.

Wow, there are really some lost people on this article.  Funny how the Obambi Sperm drinkers forget so quickly, yes, Obama did threaten not to send out SS, Vets, and Active Military checks.  Of course, his voting base, the welfare spongers, would get theirs, no problem, he needs their votes you know.  They are the only morons left that believe what the Fool says and would get down and suck his penis if he asked them too.  Fortunetly, the many that were mislead by Obama’s Lies, in 2008, have woken up, but there are still the brain dead that suck up every word he says.  I pity and pray for these people, to use the brain God gave them.  Too bad, most won’t.

By the way, I just paiid $21.87 for an i P a d 2-64GB and my girlfriend loves her Panasonic Lumix GF 1 Camera that we got for $38.76 there arriving tomorrow by UPS. I will never pay such expensive retail prices in stores again. Especially when I also sold a 40 inch LED TV to my boss for $657 which only cost me $62.81 to buy. Here is the website we use to get it all from, BidsFirst.com
 

CNN………..ROFLMAO!!
A “poll” on FOX News would be the opposite….and more voters watch FOX.
Why don’t you dummies wake up?

That’s “jeef berkey” without a teleprompter

Wait ignorant loser Beck gets crowds at his speech reminds of another ignorant loser Adolf Hitler wait blame someone for another s misdeeds send handicapped, minorities, seniors, etc. or leave them to starve or die slow painful deaths Hitler, Beck two peas in a pod

Progressive Kitty says : Wisconsin results will tell the future direction of this country. I hate to say this, but this time I agree with the prrogressive ahole. We won AGAIN! You LOST again!
Elections DO have consequences so take your lbtard ed and the rest of the commies at MSNNC and shove them you know where!!!!!! LOSERS!