I always appreciate Fareed’s analysis of things.

So the muslim snake in the grass rears his ugly head. It’s always the supposedly mild mannered ones that snap and start shooting up the place. His coworkers better keep an eye on this one, an ear too for the dreaded al akhbar’s to start flying. Because at that point it’s too late.

Hopefully Zakaria can continue to use his platforms to call out these idiots as needed. Just because you think the far right base of the GOP is counterproductive doesn’t mean you’re a Democrat. It means you think.

Strange that someone who obviously has a negative view of America would immigrate here by choice…that is unless they want to destroy America from the inside.
Anyone know of any universities in Mumbai I can attend to gain Indian citizenship and any Indian news networks I can get a job bashing India at?

Barack Must Go said:
So the muslim snake in the grass rears his ugly head. It’s always the supposedly mild mannered ones that snap and start shooting up the place. His coworkers better keep an eye on this one, an ear too for the dreaded al akhbar’s to start flying. Because at that point it’s too late.

Bigot. Not racist, necessarily. Just bigoted. Bigot works better because it’s all-encompassing.

OxyCon said:
Strange that someone who obviously has a negative view of America would immigrate here by choice…that is unless they want to destroy America from the inside.
Anyone know of any universities in Mumbai I can attend to gain Indian citizenship and any Indian news networks I can get a job bashing India at?

Why don’t you believe in American Exceptionalism?

Similarly funny that people bash Zakaria for being a Muslim thinking that Glenn Beck is a Christian, when in fact he’s not. He’s a Mormon.

“a coded way to talk about race.”

Many people of color think that everything you say is directed at them because of their color. It’s not true. Many people are still very racist, but most of the world has grown up in a society that looks down on racism and promots equality.

Fareed seems bitter that he doesn’t have the audience that Beck does. Great isn’t your color, Fareed.

ps, pubey, you’re entitled to your idiotic opinion that Mormons aren’t Christian. I’m sure it’s not the first time even in the last 5 minutes that you’ve been wrong about something.

Barack Must Go said:
So the muslim snake in the grass rears his ugly head. It’s always the supposedly mild mannered ones that snap and start shooting up the place. His coworkers better keep an eye on this one, an ear too for the dreaded al akhbar’s to start flying. Because at that point it’s too late.

Thank you for telling the world that you are an anti-Muslim bigot, just like the rest of your inbreeding teabagger/GOP friends. You are the scum of the Earth. As you clutch your Bible and spit on Darwin’s theory of evolution, please realize that you are genetic garbage. Please understand that Fareed Zakaria leaves more intellectual firepower in a condom than you teabagger/GOP pigs have ever generated in your miserable lives. Please get the rest of your minions to be as honest as you are. As always, remember that the Earth is 6000 years old.

James Randal said:
Please understand that Fareed Zakaria leaves more intellectual firepower in a condom than you teabagger/GOP pigs have ever generated in your miserable lives.

No argument there. If anyone would know what Fareed Zakaria leaves in a condom, I guess it’d be you.

Publius219 said:
funny that people bash Zakaria for being a Muslim .

link please, where people are bashing him for being Muslim.

OxyCon said:
Strange that someone who obviously has a negative view of America would immigrate here by choice…that is unless they want to destroy America from the inside.Anyone know of any universities in Mumbai I can attend to gain Indian citizenship and any Indian news networks I can get a job bashing India at?

Typical retarded Glenn Beck fan. Fareed is an America basher? Were your parents siblings? If Fareed is an American basher, then what does that make Glenn Beck? Isn’t Glenn Beck the inbred teabagger/GOP pig that believes that his PRESIDENT is a racist Marxist who is working alongside George Soros to destroy the United States and trigger a New World Order? How about giving an example of Fareed’s america bashing? You can’t because are a teabagger/GOP pig that believes that Glenn Beck is a prophet.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Fareed seems bitter that he doesn’t have the audience that Beck does. Great isn’t your color, Fareed. ps, pubey, you’re entitled to your idiotic opinion that Mormons aren’t Christian. I’m sure it’s not the first time even in the last 5 minutes that you’ve been wrong about something.

Ahh…the default teabagger/GOP argument….

“My prophet Glenn Beck is right about everything because he has the largest audience at 5 PM of any cable news program”

I wish he would have made a different choice and moved somewhere else. The guy is an ass.

James, you are a really vile person. You are just seething with rage.

LETMEBECLEAR said:
link please, where people are bashing him for being Muslim.

What a dumbass….Read the 2nd comment on this thread…It was written by a teabagger/GOP pig….

remember that the Earth is 6000 years old.

Now there is a bigot.

Actually James, Beck doesn’t just win the 5 Pm slot, he creams the prime time line-ups of the NON competition.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Fareed seems bitter that he doesn’t have the audience that Beck does. Great isn’t your color, Fareed.

ps, pubey, you’re entitled to your idiotic opinion that Mormons aren’t Christian. I’m sure it’s not the first time even in the last 5 minutes that you’ve been wrong about something.

Haha. My opinion? Try the opinion of EVERY major Christian church. Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, Evangelicals, Baptists, and so on. Go ahead, use your conservative search engine of choice and look it up for yourself.

I think Mormons are great people. Generally speaking, they live truer to the teachings of their faith than any other religion I’ve encountered. That doesn’t change the fact that they aren’t considered Christians by Christian churches. Not that facts or reality matter to you, I know.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Actually James, Beck doesn’t just win the 5 Pm slot, he creams the prime time line-ups of the NON competition.

“Creams”? Oh, no. Now James will start talking about what Fareed Zakaria leaves in a condom again…

Liberal Tormentor said:
James, you are a really vile person. You are just seething with rage.

At least I didn’t inspire a mass murdered to shoot up the Tides foundation HQ…

http://mediamatters.org/research/201010110002

Barack Must Go said:
So the muslim snake in the grass rears his ugly head. It’s always the supposedly mild mannered ones that snap and start shooting up the place. His coworkers better keep an eye on this one, an ear too for the dreaded al akhbar’s to start flying. Because at that point it’s too late.

A man is taking a walk in Central park in New York. Suddenly he sees a little girl being attacked by a pit bull dog. He runs over and starts fighting with the dog. He succeeds in killing the dog and saving the girl’s life.
A policeman who was watching the scene walks over and says: “You are a hero,” tomorrow you can read it in all
the newspapers:

“Brave New Yorker saves the life of little girl.” The man says: “But I am not a New Yorker!” “Oh, then it will say in newspapers in the morning:
Brave American saves life of little girl” – the policeman answers. “But I am not an American!” – says the man. “Oh,
what are you then?” The man says: “I am a Saudi!” Then next day the newspapers say: “Islamic extremist kills innocent American dog

Moderate said:
“a coded way to talk about race.”

Many people of color think that everything you say is directed at them because of their color. It’s not true. Many people are still very racist, but most of the world has grown up in a society that looks down on racism and promots equality.

That’s true. IMO, that means racism is milder , less mean spirited, and hardly ever blatant, but still exists. There has been a concerted effort to paint Obama as “the other, foreign, different than real Americans, from lots of different angles, since the campaign. Fareed is saying the birther thing is a part of all that, and I think he’s right.
It’s not blatant racism, as in , “we don’t like him because he’s black.” but it’s a close cousin. Many people keep feeding the fire , some because they believe, some just for money and attention.

BadGenome said:
“Creams”? Oh, no. Now James will start talking about what Fareed Zakaria leaves in a condom again…

Considering the fact that it has been scientifically proven that teabagger/GOP pigs have lower IQs, you might want to inject your wife with some of Fareed’s sperm. This way your children might grow up to become successful, educated, and rational liberals. It is a shame that Liberal Tormentor just proved me correct.

Pubey,
I couldn’t care less what other churches think of us. The name of our church is “The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints”. Our whole objective is to become Christlike. If someone is stupid enough to claim we aren’t Christian, I couldn’t possibly care any less. People have a right to be moronic, as you prove every time you post.

Liberal Tormentor said:
James, you are a really vile person. You are just seething with rage.

He must be great at parties, I bet he’s a rage counselor, if he has a job. LMAO! Hey James how about humming a few bars of “I Feel Pretty” ?

CosmosDan said:
That’s true. IMO, that means racism is milder , less mean spirited, and hardly ever blatant, but still exists. There has been a concerted effort to paint Obama as “the other, foreign, different than real Americans, from lots of different angles, since the campaign. Fareed is saying the birther thing is a part of all that, and I think he’s right.
It’s not blatant racism, as in , “we don’t like him because he’s black.” but it’s a close cousin. Many people keep feeding the fire , some because they believe, some just for money and attention.

The modern incarnation of the Southern Strategy. Keep in mind, the GOP base (read: elderly uneducated whites) grew up in an era where segregation was still commonplace.

Glenn Beck vs. Fareed Zakaria? This is all that you need to know about them….

Fareed Zakaria’s Education: B.A., Yale University, Ph.D., Harvard University

Glenn Beck’s Education: Sehome High School

Publius219 said:
Why don’t you believe in American Exceptionalism?

I just really love India. So much so that I want to live there and trash it every day.

Penguin60 said:
He must be great at parties, I bet he’s a rage counselor, if he has a job. LMAO! Hey James how about humming a few bars of “I Feel Pretty” ?

I would say that I am FAR more charming than Glenn Beck’s minions…

http://mediamatters.org/research/201010110002

Liberal Tormentor said:
Pubey,
I couldn’t care less what other churches think of us. The name of our church is “The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints”. Our whole objective is to become Christlike. If someone is stupid enough to claim we aren’t Christian, I couldn’t possibly care any less. People have a right to be moronic, as you prove every time you post.

I’m a member of a church called Jesus Christ Was Just A Person. That doesn’t make me a Christian. It just means I have the name Jesus Christ in the name of my church. I’m sure you couldn’t care less that Christians don’t think you’re a Christian, because reality is mostly irrelevant to you in forming opinions.

Liberal Tormentor said:
ps, pubey, you’re entitled to your idiotic opinion that Mormons aren’t Christian. I’m sure it’s not the first time even in the last 5 minutes that you’ve been wrong about something.

Well, a lot of more traditional Christians believe the same way. That’s not a put down, just an observation. Mormon beliefs, with additional scripture, their own prophet and apostles, etc. are quite different.

IMO, if you believe Jesus was the son of God, and died for your sins so you can have eternal life, that’s a Christian foundation. But I’m not a Christian so they have no reason to value my take on it.

OxyCon said:
I just really love India. So much so that I want to live there and trash it every day.

You clearly read little/nothing Zakaria writes. Understandable, given that he uses big words and complex concepts and doesn’t pretend every issue can be boiled down to “Us vs. them”. But, you’re still a complete idiot.

James Randal said:
Considering the fact that it has been scientifically proven that teabagger/GOP pigs have lower IQs, you might want to inject your wife with some of Fareed’s sperm. This way your children might grow up to become successful, educated, and rational liberals. It is a shame that Liberal Tormentor just proved me correct.

Isn’t this ban worthy?? It’s only one of a litany of his seriously vile posts.

Publius219 said:
Haha. My opinion? Try the opinion of EVERY major Christian church. Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, Evangelicals, Baptists, and so on. Go ahead, use your conservative search engine of choice and look it up for yourself. I think Mormons are great people. Generally speaking, they live truer to the teachings of their faith than any other religion I’ve encountered. That doesn’t change the fact that they aren’t considered Christians by Christian churches. Not that facts or reality matter to you, I know.

Perhaps were you more familiar with Christianity you would know that one of the paramount tennants of it is that we are not to judge the faith of others.

The Bible is chocked full of examples. Motes and splinters. Judge not lest ye be judged.

I am to put MY house in order long before I am to assess yours and by whatever measure I use will be the same when God assesses mine.

If ANYONE wants to profess a love of Christ, who am I to call that into question?

timzank said:
Isn’t this ban worthy??

No, but it is sponge worthy.

timzank said:
Isn’t this ban worthy?? It’s only one of a litany of his seriously vile posts.

Why do you hate the 1st amendment with such passion?

Liberal Tormentor said:
James, you are a really vile person. You are just seething with rage.

Careful now! If he flips out and murders ten people, it will be all your fault.

Publius219 said:
The modern incarnation of the Southern Strategy. Keep in mind, the GOP base (read: elderly uneducated whites) grew up in an era where segregation was still commonplace.

Wow…..it’s been a while since I’ve been privy to witness first hand a mutual jerk off session rivaling this one.

I hope you washed your hands when you were done.

James Randal said:
I would say that I am FAR more charming than Glenn Beck’s minions… http://mediamatters.org/research/201010110002

“Considering the fact that it has been scientifically proven that teabagger/GOP pigs have lower IQs, you might want to inject your wife with some of Fareed’s sperm. This way your children might grow up to become successful, educated, and rational liberals.”

Yep, charming indeed. Most sociopaths can’t recognize themselves.

timzank said:
Isn’t this ban worthy?? It’s only one of a litany of his seriously vile posts.

I don’t think Mediaite gives a crap about psychopaths.

VoiceofReason said:
Perhaps were you more familiar with Christianity you would know that one of the paramount tennants of it is that we are not to judge the faith of others.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. April Fools, I know. Good one.

p

Liberal Tormentor said:ps, pubey, you’re entitled to your idiotic opinion that Mormons aren’t Christian. I’m sure it’s not the first time even in the last 5 minutes that you’ve been wrong about something.

Liberal Tormentor said:
If someone is stupid enough to claim we aren’t Christian, I couldn’t possibly care any less. People have a right to be moronic, as you prove every time you post.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Our whole objective is to become Christlike

Harder than you thought huh?

VoiceofReason said:
Perhaps were you more familiar with Christianity you would know that one of the paramount tennants of it is that we are not to judge the faith of others.The he Bible is chocked full of examples.

You are right:

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him.
(Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Publius219 said:
I’m a member of a church called Jesus Christ Was Just A Person.

How interesting. Never heard of it. My study of the New Testament led me away from Christianity while I still revere the teachings of Jesus. IMO, much of Christianity has gotten way off track from what Jesus actually taught in the NT.

Do these TV personalities ever talk without talking about Fox and Fox’s personalities? really, these folks are so openly jealous of Beck and his skills that they talk about him day in and day out.

Perhaps Leno should start talking about world events; I presume Zakaria supports hehimself bombing in Libya, even though he condemned W for freeing a gazillion muslims from tyranny – when hehimself does it, all praise the obamasiah.

really, Fareed – stop worrying about Beck and start worrying about your own show and its ratings.

TfT said:
Perhaps Leno should start talking about world events; I presume Zakaria supports hehimself bombing in Libya, even though he condemned W for freeing a gazillion muslims from tyranny – when hehimself does it, all praise the obamasiah.

You too clearly read nothing Zakaria writes. But he’s got brown skin and he’s Muslim, so he must hold whatever views you attribute to brown Muslims.

VoiceofReason said:
The Bible is chocked full of examples. Motes and splinters. Judge not lest ye be judged.

Great point. Please remind LT. She’s had a momentary lapse.

BTW: an honest opinion, or an observation about beliefs, is not a put down. The Bible also has lots of verses about being on guard against false beliefs. Those are the verses often quoted about the Mormons by the more traditional Christians. Not that their opinion has any authority. It’s just an opinion.

Penguin60 said:
“Considering the fact that it has been scientifically proven that teabagger/GOP pigs have lower IQs, you might want to inject your wife with some of Fareed’s sperm. This way your children might grow up to become successful, educated, and rational liberals.” Yep, charming indeed. Most sociopaths can’t recognize themselves. I don’t think Mediaite gives a crap about psychopaths.

So let me get this straight. Glenn Beck inspires a man to go out and KILL people and I am the crazy one? So right wingers can talk all of the sh*t they want about liberals and Muslims but when a far left progressive does it, he’s crossing the line? Typical teabagger/GOP pig mentality. All right wingers are faux tough guys. All it takes is a left winger to punch back and they all fall in line. Why aren’t you calling for a ban on the guy who made anti-Muslim remarks? Are you a bigot? Don’t get sanctimonious with me. I’ve never once called foul after being on the receiving end of nasty comments from teabaggers. Why are you so sensitive?

Liberal Tormentor said:
Actually James, Beck doesn’t just win the 5 Pm slot, he creams the prime time line-ups of the NON competition.

Jersey Shore draws 3-4 times the viewers that Beck does. What’s your point?

Publius219 said:
You clearly read little/nothing Zakaria writes. Understandable, given that he uses big words and complex concepts and doesn’t pretend every issue can be boiled down to “Us vs. them”. But, you’re still a complete idiot.

Dude, he’s a teabagger/GOP pig. Their prophet told them that Fareed Zakaria is an anti-American bigot and NO POWER ON EARTH can change their minds. That is why you shouldn’t waste your time debating with these teabagger/GOP pigs. Just insult them and spit on them. That is what they deserve.

Publius:

You cannot be suggesting that Fareed supported the Bush freedom agenda where millions of muslims were freed from tyranny and women muslims are now serving in positions in the government where prior they were not permitted to do so.

If you are suggesting that, then you don’t watch/listen to what it is that Fareed says or does.

James Randal said:
Thank you for telling the world that you are an anti-Muslim bigot, just like the rest of your inbreeding teabagger/GOP friends. You are the scum of the Earth. As you clutch your Bible and spit on Darwin’s theory of evolution, please realize that you are genetic garbage. Please understand that Fareed Zakaria leaves more intellectual firepower in a condom than you teabagger/GOP pigs have ever generated in your miserable lives. Please get the rest of your minions to be as honest as you are. As always, remember that the Earth is 6000 years old.

You don’t seem to realize that Muslims don’t believe in evolution.

Fareed Zakaria IS Sunni Muslim. It is expected of Him. His father was a rigid Sunni. The little pipsqueek terror apologist is the reason why people don’t believe or want to listen to the idiots, like this guy, on the mainstream media. Remember the picture of Obama getting off a plane carrying Zakaria’s book, “The Post-American World”? This (America) is not his culture; he has no stake in its survival. We are led by an internationalist who believes our power coupled to our sovereign interest to be a negative force in the world. Our President sympathizes with an Islamic culture that is committed to world domination. It cannot be a good thing for a nation to be led by a post-nationalist.

Publius219 said:
Haha. My opinion? Try the opinion of EVERY major Christian church. Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, Evangelicals, Baptists, and so on. Go ahead, use your conservative search engine of choice and look it up for yourself. I think Mormons are great people. Generally speaking, they live truer to the teachings of their faith than any other religion I’ve encountered. That doesn’t change the fact that they aren’t considered Christians by Christian churches. Not that facts or reality matter to you, I know.

Do you believe everything the major Christian Churches say or only those things that you can use to back your argument? In other words, are you cherry picking opinions?

James Randal said:
Why are you so sensitive?

I’m a liberal lemming at heart. ROTFLMAO.

James Randal said:
All it takes is a left winger to punch back and they all fall in line.

There are a lot of lefts here that have great dialogue. Cosmos Dan being one. I called out a right(I think) about making some stupid comments on another thread. Your use of anti-social rants are just that, we take them for what they are. Dude, this is the friggin internet. Tough guys like you that “punch back” are a dime a dozen. Go sell crazy somewhere else, they’re all full up here.

Fareek is a real “what Bill Maher called Sarah Palin”. Can’t we send him back?

Publius219 said:
Bigot. Not racist, necessarily. Just bigoted. Bigot works better because it’s all-encompassing.

You’re a bit confused. Zakaria is a bigotted, self riteous, zealot, soft spoken mild mannersisms is his cover. His words disparaging Beck as somehow not worthy ( an infidel maybe? ) while he presents himself a somehow special, above the fray if you will, simply because he chose, as an immigrant, to come to the United States.

Why the United States, not France or Switzerland? He is a lying opportunist that is here simply for the economic benefits, not because he has an alegience to America.

Just listen to him bash America and Americans, simply for being Americans living in a free society where everyone, including him, to speak their mind.

I’d take 10,000 Americans who chose to come here over one silly man waving his arms in front of a chalkboard scaring you people over ghosts that don’t exist any day.

The sad part about this forum is that you are more than welcome to disagree with Zakaria all you want. But the guy is a serious man. If he says something you don’t like, so be it. But instead of even KNOWING what the guy has to say, you just ad hominem the guy, and his place or origin, and his religious background. But, that is par of this course, no?

“The Post American World” is a serious book that is must reading for anyone looking at the realities of the world. It is an honest look at how the rise of the rest of the world will affect all of us. To get mad because it isn’t a rah-rah delusion says more about your own insecurities than your seriousness about dealing with the realities we’re facing. Anyone else here bother to read it?

Also, Glenn Beck is a poo poo head.

TampopoLoco said:
A man is taking a walk in Central park in New York. Suddenly he sees a little girl being attacked by a pit bull dog. He runs over and starts fighting with the dog. He succeeds in killing the dog and saving the girl’s life.A policeman who was watching the scene walks over and says: “You are a hero,” tomorrow you can read it in allthe newspapers: “Brave New Yorker saves the life of little girl.” The man says: “But I am not a New Yorker!” “Oh, then it will say in newspapers in the morning:Brave American saves life of little girl” – the policeman answers. “But I am not an American!” – says the man. “Oh,what are you then?” The man says: “I am a Saudi!” Then next day the newspapers say: “Islamic extremist kills innocent American dog

Actually, in Saudi Arabia he could be arrested for doing this, unless the little girl was his kin.

James Randal said:
Thank you for telling the world that you are an anti-Muslim bigot, just like the rest of your inbreeding teabagger/GOP friends. You are the scum of the Earth. As you clutch your Bible and spit on Darwin’s theory of evolution, please realize that you are genetic garbage. Please understand that Fareed Zakaria leaves more intellectual firepower in a condom than you teabagger/GOP pigs have ever generated in your miserable lives. Please get the rest of your minions to be as honest as you are. As always, remember that the Earth is 6000 years old.

You hate me because I’m an American.

timzank said:
Isn’t this ban worthy?? It’s only one of a litany of his seriously vile posts.

Don’t let the American moniker fool you. James Randal is a member of an al qaeda sleeper cell, probably in Jersey City, N.J.

Progressives hate America!
No, we just hate everyone who doesn’t vote the same way we do!
See, that proves you hate people, even though you say you don’t hate anyone!
WE WENT TO COLLEGE AND YOU DIDN’T! STFU, YOU INBRED UNEDUCATED PIGS!

Just another day at Mediaite.

Here’s an article he wrote in 2001, agree or not his analysis and information is valuable.

http://fc.yarmouth.k12.me.us/~david_pearl/wikiresources/whydotheyhateus.pdf

Well, nice to know that the brackets I used didn’t show up, completely rendering my post illegible…

Don’t you love it when the racial smears come from the Left? Conservative TV hosts never judge people by the color of their skin. But for the Left, the person’s skin color seems to be the single most relevant fact about them.

Publius219 said:
Why do you hate the 1st amendment with such passion?

I guess understanding the First Amendment is another skill you hope to achieve, some day?

RichS said:
Actually, in Saudi Arabia he could be arrested for doing this, unless the little girl was his kin.

Actually, I heard this joke in 1998, only it was a New Yorker in Atlanta for the World Series. The point is the same. It’s “Rashoman” all over again.

I remember Zakarear. At Newsweek he clearly prayed for the downfall of America; His point of view is easy to understand and predictable: bash America and glorify murderous thugs.

Publius219 said:
Hopefully Zakaria can continue to use his platforms to call out these idiots as needed. Just because you think the far right base of the GOP is counterproductive doesn’t mean you’re a Democrat. It means you think.

What platform? CNN? HAHAHAHAHAHA

idesign said:
Fareed Zakaria IS Sunni Muslim. It is expected of Him. His father was a rigid Sunni.

What difference does it make if he is a Muslim? Hmmmm. You’re not a religious bigot, are you? You better watch something else other than Fox News.

catfishjuggling said:
Also, Glenn Beck is a poo poo head.

If only Zakaria had offered analysis like this. Then he’d finally get the respect he deserves. ;=}

I agree with you. Agree with him or not, he offers consistent thoughtful fact based analysis.

He actually supported the invasion of Iraq and wanted more troops sent, but disagreed with how it was handled and eventually said, it wasn’t worth it.

felixw said:
Don’t you love it when the racial smears come from the Left? Conservative TV hosts never judge people by the color of their skin. But for the Left, the person’s skin color seems to be the single most relevant fact about them.

Seriously. Just to spend 5 minutes in your brain. It must be a wonderful place where everythign smells of elderberry.

Yeah. No one of the right ever juddges a person by the color of their skin. Why this comment thread is the most race neutral I have ever read.

At this point you blame that on the lefties on here.

Elderberries.

CosmosDan said:
If only Zakaria had offered analysis like this. Then he’d finally get the respect he deserves. ;=} I agree with you. Agree with him or not, he offers consistent thoughtful fact based analysis. He actually supported the invasion of Iraq and wanted more troops sent, but disagreed with how it was handled and eventually said, it wasn’t worth it.

I am glad someone appreciated that joke.

idesign said:
I remember Zakarear. At Newsweek he clearly prayed for the downfall of America; His point of view is easy to understand and predictable: bash America and glorify murderous thugs.

In other words he’s a terrorist sympathizer?

At first I just thought Zakaria a useful idiot but he is much, much worse.

He can’t wait for the “The Post American World” and does all he can to bring it about without delay. (Remember when Obama went around toting “The Post American World” in 2008 …. and again in 2009. Gee, either Dear Leader is an incredibly slow reader or he was sending a message).

idesign said:
At first I just thought Zakaria a useful idiot but he is much, much worse. He can’t wait for the “The Post American World” and does all he can to bring it about without delay. (Remember when Obama went around toting “The Post American World” in 2008 …. and again in 2009. Gee, either Dear Leader is an incredibly slow reader or he was sending a message).

Have you read the book? Do you even know what it is about?

Barack Must Go said:
Why the United States, not France or Switzerland? He is a lying opportunist that is here simply for the economic benefits, .

If that were the case, he’d just say the most stupid things he could think of at all times and get a show on Fox News and release a book every other month.

Publius219 said:
If that were the case, he’d just say the most stupid things he could think of at all times and get a show on Fox News and release a book every other month.

I cannot heart this comment enough. Publius. You win the internets!

catfishjuggling said:
Seriously. Just to spend 5 minutes in your brain. It must be a wonderful place where everythign smells of elderberry.

Yeah. No one of the right ever juddges a person by the color of their skin. Why this comment thread is the most race neutral I have ever read.

At this point you blame that on the lefties on here.

Elderberries.

Congrats on joining the new team of liberal birthers. In typical bizarre liberal fashion, Mr. Beck is attacked because his birth certificate shows that he was born in the United States.

Maybe Glenn should refuse to release his birth certificate. Then you (and Mr. Fareed Zakaria) would rush to his defense.

When someone figures out how the liberal mind works, please post here. The rest of us are struggling to discover the logic.

Watch this video if you have any doubt as to how Zakaria feels about Americans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_NrlDBzXjQ

RichS said:
Do you believe everything the major Christian Churches say or only those things that you can use to back your argument? In other words, are you cherry picking opinions?

I think you’re missing the point. Whether Mormons are Christians or not is a matter of opinion and it’s a fact that major more traditional Christian churches don’t believe it is. It’s still just an opinion and certainly not entered as a put down from Publius. There is no factual authoritative answer.

Although LT claims to not care what other churches think she sure reacted to Publius as if she did, taking the time to name call while claiming the mantel of Christianity. But, spiritual transformation doesn’t happen overnight , or even in one lifetime in some religions.

Zakaria is a liar, being an American isn’t a choice, it’s a priviledge granted to people who haven’t violated the terms of their greencards. In fact, some join the army or marines to EARN the citizenship in two years.

http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com

Zackeroo, listen. You can’t build viewers or sell books by slamming Beck. Many
have tried, many have FAILED.
Now if you want to beat Beck. Have Commentary, people want to
HEAR and write BOOKS people want to READ!
Beck, Limbaught, O’Reilly, Ingraham, Newt, Hannity, well, that is how they do it!
OK. I won’t charge you for that Consultation, this time. Now!
GET CRACKIN!!!

Limbaugh

Publius219 said:
If that were the case, he’d just say the most stupid things he could think of at all times and get a show on Fox News and release a book every other month.

Just beautiful.

Joseph Glackin said:
Actually, I heard this joke in 1998, only it was a New Yorker in Atlanta for the World Series. The point is the same. It’s “Rashoman” all over again.

The English language Saudi newspaper in Riyadh, SA. It described how a number of preteen girls died in a school fire because the religious police kept the firemen from going in and rescuing them because the firemen were not appropriate males to be with the girls. Quite a few of the girls burned to death.

idesign said:
I remember Zakarear. At Newsweek he clearly prayed for the downfall of America; His point of view is easy to understand and predictable: bash America and glorify murderous thugs.

Were you aware he supported the invasion of Iraq and thought we should use even more troops? All part of his sneaky praying for America’s downfall I guess.

OxyCon said:
Watch this video if you have any doubt as to how Zakaria feels about Americans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_NrlDBzXjQ

Oh my God that bastard. How dare he suggest we consume too much and it’s a problem?

CosmosDan said:
I think you’re missing the point. Whether Mormons are Christians or not is a matter of opinion and it’s a fact that major more traditional Christian churches don’t believe it is. It’s still just an opinion and certainly not entered as a put down from Publius. There is no factual authoritative answer. Although LT claims to not care what other churches think she sure reacted to Publius as if she did, taking the time to name call while claiming the mantel of Christianity. But, spiritual transformation doesn’t happen overnight , or even in one lifetime in some religions.

My point is that Publius pretended that the opinions were facts. He uses the word facts in his post. If what the Christian Churches say is fact then Publius must accept all of their facts. If what the Christian Churches say is opinion the Publius is deliberately lying to make a point. I’m disappointed, Cosmos, you usually don’t need things to be spelled out. EIther that or I was being obtuse. Or, if I were Randall, you’re an ignorant, inbread (meaning you only eat bread baked at home).

catfishjuggling said:
Seriously. Just to spend 5 minutes in your brain. It must be a wonderful place where everythign smells of elderberry.

Yeah. No one of the right ever juddges a person by the color of their skin. Why this comment thread is the most race neutral I have ever read.

At this point you blame that on the lefties on here.

Elderberries.

As a person interested in higher learning, I’d actually prefer if we could get rid of the ethnic/race quotas in higher learning. That to me would bring about fair play in terms of education. You get in based on merit and not skin color. I know this works with several degrees of higher education. Until that happens, it’s going to be an US vs. THEM mentality.

CosmosDan said:
Oh my God that bastard. How dare he suggest we consume too much and it’s a problem?

That’s all you got out of that video? You really want to admit that your reasoning skills are that limited?

OxyCon said:
Watch this video if you have any doubt as to how Zakaria feels about Americans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_NrlDBzXjQ

Wow. The “man” admits he has NO faith in the American people on camera on national tv. Yet, he chooses to reside here.

felixw said:
Congrats on joining the new team of liberal birthers. In typical bizarre liberal fashion, Mr. Beck is attacked because his birth certificate shows that he was born in the United States. Maybe Glenn should refuse to release his birth certificate. Then you (and Mr. Fareed Zakaria) would rush to his defense. When someone figures out how the liberal mind works, please post here. The rest of us are struggling to discover the logic.

I really like your idea. It has some potiental.

Of course to be a little more accurate, Glenn would produce a birth certificate, but we’d be so blinded by our hatred of Glenn that we’d pretend it didn’t exist.

So I’ll give you an A for the idea, a B- for execution. Overall a B+.

James Randal said:
Considering the fact that it has been scientifically proven that teabagger/GOP pigs have lower IQs, you might want to inject your wife with some of Fareed’s sperm. This way your children might grow up to become successful, educated, and rational liberals. It is a shame that Liberal Tormentor just proved me correct.

Sounds like a grand idea. I might just do it if only you’d quit hogging it all!

greg454 said:
Zakaria is a liar, being an American isn’t a choice, it’s a priviledge granted to people who haven’t violated the terms of their greencards. In fact, some join the army or marines to EARN the citizenship in two years.

http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com

You’re just an idiot. If it’s not a choice than it is compulsory. And it isn’t compulsory. So it’s a choice. And you’re still an idiot.

This is how the left works(LSM). NOBODY who watches Leno knows who the f–k this Fareed guy is. But MOST probably have heard the name Beck. So when MOST of the people hear the name Beck, all they remember is “Hmmm…I’ve never watched him or listened to him, but I hear his name all the time. And all these ‘Hollywood people’ say he’s an idiot, he must be an idiot.” Same with the lefty libs here. Just the mere mention of Beck, Palin, Bachmann………..Drives the looney libs batshit crazy. HA

Hunk said:
Wow. The “man” admits he has NO faith in the American people on camera on national tv. Yet, he chooses to reside here.

Yeah, and then there’s that whole contempt thing he so openly displays towards Americans.
And he must be a genius because he thinks if we consume less and tax more, our economy and fiscal situation will improve, which is utterly ridiculous on it’s face. Zakaria thinks that way because he looks down his nose at Americans and loathes us because he thinks we consume too much.

catfishjuggling said:
I really like your idea. It has some potiental.

Of course to be a little more accurate, Glenn would produce a birth certificate, but we’d be so blinded by our hatred of Glenn that we’d pretend it didn’t exist.

So I’ll give you an A for the idea, a B- for execution. Overall a B+.

Breaking story…..Media Matters has just issued a press release claiming Glenn Beck was born in Kenya.

WCinWI said:
As a person interested in higher learning, I’d actually prefer if we could get rid of the ethnic/race quotas in higher learning. That to me would bring about fair play in terms of education. You get in based on merit and not skin color. I know this works with several degrees of higher education. Until that happens, it’s going to be an US vs. THEM mentality.

For what it’s worth, you’ve seemed like (from what I’ve read here) an honest and serious person (and I don’t totaly disagree with you).

WCinWI said:
As a person interested in higher learning, I’d actually prefer if we could get rid of the ethnic/race quotas in higher learning. That to me would bring about fair play in terms of education. You get in based on merit and not skin color. I know this works with several degrees of higher education. Until that happens, it’s going to be an US vs. THEM mentality.

I’d agree if we could similarly guarantee equality of opportunity in lower education.

CosmosDan said:
Were you aware he supported the invasion of Iraq and thought we should use even more troops? All part of his sneaky praying for America’s downfall I guess.

In progressive liberal Democrat and CNN/Newsweek media hack Fareed Zakaria’s world, we simply overreacted to 9/11 and Al Qaeda is simply not that deadly threat anymore. Yes our reaction of horror, despair, and even anger about the Islamic radicals who flew planes into the twin towers and brought them down, the planet at the Pentagon, and the plane crash over Pennsylvania where simply overreactions on our part. I don’t know if “Fareed” was one of those Muslims in Pakistan firing guns into the air for celebration at that event or not, but what he has just wrote about in Newsweek is absolutely unreal. You and I have read plenty of progressive liberal filth over the years. This one may take the cake. Lets see Mr. Zakaria tell the families of those who lost loved ones on 9/11, or the first responders who have since gotten seriously sick and/or died that it was just an “overreaction.”

RichS said:
My point is that Publius pretended that the opinions were facts. He uses the word facts in his post. If what the Christian Churches say is fact then Publius must accept all of their facts. If what the Christian Churches say is opinion the Publius is deliberately lying to make a point. I’m disappointed, Cosmos, you usually don’t need things to be spelled out. EIther that or I was being obtuse. Or, if I were Randall, you’re an ignorant, inbread (meaning you only eat bread baked at home).

Alas. It is a fact that Christian Churches have said those things. That doesn’t mean I take them to be facts. I don’t really give a shit one way or the other. But it is a fact that the opinions of major Christian churches re: LDS is that it’s not a Christian church. Nice logical fail, btw.

OxyCon said:
That’s all you got out of that video? You really want to admit that your reasoning skills are that limited?

He expressed an opinion about a problem. In your eyes that’s a horrible unAmerican thing to do?
I don’t think my reasoning skills are in question.

Fareed Zakaria really hit the ball out of the park. Glen Beck is a sick man. He is clearly unstable. It shows how many sick and just plain dumb people there are in this country.

I guess when you don’t have any of your own ideas or any audience you go on tv and talk about Beck. Home run, zakaria!

idesign said:
In progressive liberal Democrat and CNN/Newsweek media hack Fareed Zakaria’s world, we simply overreacted to 9/11 and Al Qaeda is simply not that deadly threat anymore. Yes our reaction of horror, despair, and even anger about the Islamic radicals who flew planes into the twin towers and brought them down, the planet at the Pentagon, and the plane crash over Pennsylvania where simply overreactions on our part. I don’t know if “Fareed” was one of those Muslims in Pakistan firing guns into the air for celebration at that event or not, but what he has just wrote about in Newsweek is absolutely unreal. You and I have read plenty of progressive liberal filth over the years. This one may take the cake. Lets see Mr. Zakaria tell the families of those who lost loved ones on 9/11, or the first responders who have since gotten seriously sick and/or died that it was just an “overreaction.”

Did you read the article that came from to try and understand the point he’s trying to make, or is it enough to pull the phrase out of context and use it against him? It has nothing to do with the things you’re mentioning here.

Paul G said:
This is how the left works(LSM). NOBODY who watches Leno knows who the f–k this Fareed guy is. But MOST probably have heard the name Beck. So when MOST of the people hear the name Beck, all they remember is “Hmmm…I’ve never watched him or listened to him, but I hear his name all the time. And all these ‘Hollywood people’ say he’s an idiot, he must be an idiot.” Same with the lefty libs here. Just the mere mention of Beck, Palin, Bachmann………..Drives the looney libs batshit crazy. HA

And then when you turn on Beck you find out he really is an idiot.

felixw said:
Breaking story…..Media Matters has just issued a press release claiming Glenn Beck was born in Kenya.

Thank you for leading this thread down the single dumbest path ever.

James Randal said:
the inbred teabagger/GOP pig … because (you) are a teabagger/GOP pig that believes that Glenn Beck is a prophet.

only a leftwing cocksucking Democrat sees the logic of using hate speech to defend against what the cocksucking leftwinger considers hate speech

RichS said:
y point is that Publius pretended that the opinions were facts. He uses the word facts in his post. If what the Christian Churches say is fact then Publius must accept all of their facts. If what the Christian Churches say is opinion the Publius is deliberately lying to make a point. I’m disappointed, Cosmos, you usually don’t need things to be spelled out.

It is a fact that major Christian denominations do not consider Mormons to be Christians so it’s not incorrect to post that fact. His initial post was not hostile or critical. At some point there’s an implied IMO,in a post.
The label of Christian is a topic of debate, and not agreed upon. It’s not mean spirited to have an opinion about it, and it’s not necessary to name call because you don’t like their opinion. and IMO, not indicative of becoming Christlike.

Severian said:
only a leftwing cocksucking Democrat sees the logic of using hate speech to defend against what the cocksucking leftwinger considers hate speech

I take it you are one of those inbreeding tea-baggers with a penis fixation, perhaps due to some inadequacy on your part. I’m just saying.

James Randal said:
Considering the fact that it has been scientifically proven that teabagger/GOP pigs have lower IQs, you might want to inject your wife with some of Fareed’s sperm. This way your children might grow up to become successful, educated, and rational liberals. It is a shame that Liberal Tormentor just proved me correct.

You seem to have a fetish for men’s balls and sperm. Are you going to organize a “Blow Fareed Day” ?

Garth said:
I love talking about men’s balls and masturbating when calling people teabaggers.

Publius219 said:
Alas. It is a fact that Christian Churches have said those things. That doesn’t mean I take them to be facts. I don’t really give a shit one way or the other. But it is a fact that the opinions of major Christian churches re: LDS is that it’s not a Christian church. Nice logical fail, btw.

exactly. in fact, my experience is whether you label yourself a Christian or not doesn’t mean squat. I know atheists who live up to the teachings of JC far more than self proclaimed Christians do. It’s what is inside the heart and mind of the individual that is expressed in their actions and words that counts, and that’s exactly what I get out of the teachings of Jesus.

Severian said:

Well then, you just sit back, relax and enjoy your balls and best of luck you tea-bagging expert on masturbation which actually makes sense. LMAO!!

The score at the end of the 1st quarter is

Fareed 1
Glenn 0

your move crybaby.

Garth said:
I’m rubber and you’re glue. LMAO!!

Come on Barff can’t you do better, otherwise some might come to believe your constant LMAO is simply the forced laughter of an idiot.

Severian said:
Come on Barff can’t you do better, otherwise some might come to believe your constant LMAO is simply the forced laughter of an idiot.

Please refrain from commenting until you are done molesting yourself. LMAO!!!!!!!

By now EVERYBODY knows about the hysterical, foaming-at-the-mouth PDS (Palin Derangement Syndrome) of the “Corrupt B-tards” of the lamestream socialist fake-news media. But these IQ-challenged reprobates are ALSO infected with another, even more debilitating mental infirmity: FCBD (Fox Commentator Bashing Disorder), in which they focus ALL of their time, ALL of their energy, ALL of their words and ALL of their attention on each Fox commentator to nitpick at each and every action, word, utterance and expression they make. Nothing better illustrates how pathetic and despicable the N(itwit)B(iased-socialist)C(lowns), the C(ertified)B(iased)S(ocialists), the M(ore)S(ocialism)from N(itwit)B(iased-socialist)C(lowns), the
A(lways)B(iased-socialist)C(lowns), and the c(lowns)n(itwits and socialist)n(attering nabobs) networks have become. The good news for all real Americans, they can’t possibly get any lower – they have truly hit media BOTTOM.

Publius219 said:
Alas. It is a fact that Christian Churches have said those things. That doesn’t mean I take them to be facts. I don’t really give a shit one way or the other. But it is a fact that the opinions of major Christian churches re: LDS is that it’s not a Christian church. Nice logical fail, btw.

You are a big man for admitting your “logical fail.” Nice try at tap dancing but it doesn’t distract from you ill fated attempt to write what you said. By the way, how is that First Amendment studying going? Do you understand it now or are you still in the dark?

TeaPartyPatriot said:
By now EVERYBODY knows about the hysterical, foaming-at-the-mouth PDS (Palin Derangement Syndrome) of the “Corrupt B-tards” of the lamestream socialist fake-news media. But these IQ-challenged reprobates are ALSO infected with another, even more debilitating mental infirmity: FCBD (Fox Commentator Bashing Disorder), in which they focus ALL of their time, ALL of their energy, ALL of their words and ALL of their attention on each Fox commentator to nitpick at each and every action, word, utterance and expression they make. Nothing better illustrates how pathetic and despicable the N(itwit)B(iased-socialist)C(lowns), the C(ertified)B(iased)S(ocialists), the M(ore)S(ocialism)from N(itwit)B(iased-socialist)C(lowns), the
A(lways)B(iased-socialist)C(lowns), and the c(lowns)n(itwits and socialist)n(attering nabobs) networks have become. The good news for all real Americans, they can’t possibly get any lower – they have truly hit media BOTTOM.

You take the time to write all that just to prove you’re an idiot? Please.

idesign said:
In progressive liberal Democrat and CNN/Newsweek media hack Fareed Zakaria’s world, we simply overreacted to 9/11 and Al Qaeda is simply not that deadly threat anymore. Yes our reaction of horror, despair, and even anger about the Islamic radicals who flew planes into the twin towers and brought them down, the planet at the Pentagon, and the plane crash over Pennsylvania where simply overreactions on our part. I don’t know if “Fareed” was one of those Muslims in Pakistan firing guns into the air for celebration at that event or not, but what he has just wrote about in Newsweek is absolutely unreal. You and I have read plenty of progressive liberal filth over the years. This one may take the cake. Lets see Mr. Zakaria tell the families of those who lost loved ones on 9/11, or the first responders who have since gotten seriously sick and/or died that it was just an “overreaction.”

Overreacted? if that means ‘did stupid shit’ then, yes, we overreacted. Iraq was/is/will always be a blunder. Afghanistan was a colossal screwing of the pooch. We have enemies, but with friends like Republicans i.e. goober W. Bush who ultimately were Al Qaeda’s greatest assets, who needs AQ?

Garth said:
LMAO!!!!!!!

You know what is REALLY funny? Since you are all A$$ how can you laugh if off? Ok, so it’s more perplexing than funny.

CosmosDan said:
It is a fact that major Christian denominations do not consider Mormons to be Christians so it’s not incorrect to post that fact. His initial post was not hostile or critical. At some point there’s an implied IMO,in a post.The label of Christian is a topic of debate, and not agreed upon. It’s not mean spirited to have an opinion about it, and it’s not necessary to name call because you don’t like their opinion. and IMO, not indicative of becoming Christlike.

You do seem to give your side the benefit of the doubt. There was no implied “in my opinion” in what he wrote, and there is never any humility in what he writes so the “humble” part is right out the window. Please don’t join Publius in his tap dancing.

TeaPartyPatriot said:
By now EVERYBODY knows about the hysterical, foaming-at-the-mouth PDS (Palin Derangement Syndrome) of the “Corrupt B-tards” of the lamestream socialist fake-news media. But these IQ-challenged reprobates are ALSO infected with another, even more debilitating mental infirmity: FCBD (Fox Commentator Bashing Disorder), in which they focus ALL of their time, ALL of their energy, ALL of their words and ALL of their attention on each Fox commentator to nitpick at each and every action, word, utterance and expression they make. Nothing better illustrates how pathetic and despicable the N(itwit)B(iased-socialist)C(lowns), the C(ertified)B(iased)S(ocialists), the M(ore)S(ocialism)from N(itwit)B(iased-socialist)C(lowns), the
A(lways)B(iased-socialist)C(lowns), and the c(lowns)n(itwits and socialist)n(attering nabobs) networks have become. The good news for all real Americans, they can’t possibly get any lower – they have truly hit media BOTTOM.

YOU FORGOT– F(ull)O(f)(e)X(crement).

Color Me Badd said:
Mormon trash

CosmosDan said:
It is a fact that major Christian denominations do not consider Mormons to be Christians so it’s not incorrect to post that fact. His initial post was not hostile or critical. At some point there’s an implied IMO,in a post.The label of Christian is a topic of debate, and not agreed upon. It’s not mean spirited to have an opinion about it, and it’s not necessary to name call because you don’t like their opinion. and IMO, not indicative of becoming Christlike.

Oh, and where did I name call?

By the way, I’ve accepted the fact that I will never be Christ.

Severian said:
You know what is REALLY funny? Since you are all A$$ how can you laugh if off? Ok, so it’s more perplexing than funny.

You are more of a pervert than a tea-bagger. But they are interchangeable. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

James Randal said:
[I]t has been scientifically proven that teabagger/GOP pigs have lower IQs….

Where can I find this scientific research?

Garth said:
Garth says:
April 1, 2011 at 6:16 pm Garth(Quote)

son, when you talk, other people get hoarse just listening.

notsofast said:
son, when you talk, other people get hoarse just listening.

Speak for yourself.

Judge Mental said:
Where can I find this scientific research?

Try World Net Daily. Some amazing stuff there.

Zakaria also suggests that some politicians are using Birther talk as “a coded way to talk about race.”

Surprise surprise surprise…a democrat plays the race card.  B O R R R R I N GGGG!

It’s impossible to believe that the sperm that created Fareed Zakaria and Barf beat out 100,000,000 others.

notsofast said:
It’s impossible to believe that the sperm that created Fareed Zakaria and Barf beat out 100,000,000 others.

Not when you consider that out of 1mm, you were aborted.

Garth said:
Garth says:
April 1, 2011 at 6:37 pm Garth(Quote)
Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

Son, they just invented a new coffin just for you that goes over the head. It’s for people who are dead from the neck up.

notsofast said:
It’s impossible to believe that the sperm that created Fareed Zakaria and Barf beat out 100,000,000 others.

That’s because they didn’t. They are living testaments to why it’s a bad idea for men who have low sperm counts to reproduce.

notsofast said:
son, when you talk, other people get hoarse just listening.

When you talk you say almost nothing.

Garth said:
Garth says:
April 1, 2011 at 6:37 pm Garth(Quote)

Barf, do you know what apples and YOU have in common? They both look great hanging from trees.

kvon said:
When you talk you say almost nothing.

Son, calling you stupid would be an insult to stupid people.

notsofast said:
Barf, do you know what apples and YOU have in common? They both look great hanging from trees.

Isn’t it about time for your TV dinner?

kvon said:
When you talk you say almost nothing.

Garth said:
Isn’t it about time for your TV dinner?

Look everybody; it’s New Year’s Eve at the nut house!

notsofast said:
Look everybody; it’s New Year’s Eve at the nut house!

Let’s hope you’re not walking around with your thumb up your ass. Happy New Year!!

Judge Mental said:
Where can I find this scientific research?

He’s chirping some left wing nut job poll from think propaganda. No bias there…

Hunk said:
He’s chirping some left wing nut job poll from think propaganda. No bias there…

You’re just chirping because you like to chirp? Whack job.

No LMAO?

Hunk said:
No LMAO?

No chirping?

Wow. I am sorry I went for a run and missed all the gibbons flinging poo at each other.

OK. Back to an earlier question: Anyone here actually READ “The Post-American World” other than me?

If anyone here has anything other than ad hominem about Fareed Zakaria I would love to discuss. It is a fascinating look at the reality of the world today.

You know what is sad about discourse now: you could easily remove the words “liberal” or “conservative” from any of these threads and simply insert “Redskins” or “Cowboys.” It’s basically these same silly smack talking you’d get on the FanHouse website (but without the insight to ballpark cuisine). This is no longer an exchange of ideas. It is people rooting for team.

How many wrong headed things can Zakaria get away with in the same interview? The ‘America basher’ and ‘useful idiot’ comments weren’t used in context to his false and deceitful accounting of how many foreign Muslims support attacks against American civilians, it was in regards to Zakaria’s kittenball interview of George Soros. An interview in which Soros decried certain tactics such as associating political enemies to Nazis and then used that very same tactic 10 seconds later while Zakaria sat there with a dumb smile on his face but no follow up question. It wasn’t so much an interview by a journalist as it was free air time given over to a billionaire to facilitate his attack.

Changing the argument – and it’s SETTING – several months on to characterize Beck’s comments as nativist is as cowardly as it is disingenuous. He was being called out for being a piss-poor leftist sympathizing journalist – and there’s enough of those to fill the entire lineup of 10 cable news channels’ worth of anchor seats, no matter from where they hailed. Zakaria’s response? To wrap himself up in victimization play of the poor, ‘oppressed’ foreigner. What a typical card for a leftist bigot to play.

“Just to have some fun” indeed. With the context, with the truth and with common decency.

Paleoconservatarian said:
How many wrong headed things can Zakaria get away with in the same interview? The ‘America basher’ and ‘useful idiot’ comments weren’t used in context to his false and deceitful accounting of how many foreign Muslims support attacks against American civilians, it was in regards to Zakaria’s kittenball interview of George Soros. An interview in which Soros decried certain tactics such as associating political enemies to Nazis and then used that very same tactic 10 seconds later while Zakaria sat there with a dumb smile on his face but no follow up question. It wasn’t so much an interview by a journalist as it was free air time given over to a billionaire to facilitate his attack.

Changing the argument – and it’s SETTING – several months on to characterize Beck’s comments as nativist is as cowardly as it is disingenuous. He was being called out for being a piss-poor leftist sympathizing journalist – and there’s enough of those to fill the entire lineup of 10 cable news channels’ worth of anchor seats, no matter from where they hailed. Zakaria’s response? To wrap himself up in victimization play of the poor, ‘oppressed’ foreigner. What a typical card for a leftist bigot to play.

“Just to have some fun” indeed. With the context, with the truth and with common decency.

What is really amazing is that you idiots find it necessary to write a novel just to prove what total nit wits you are. Lesson learned?

RichS said:
You do seem to give your side the benefit of the doubt. There was no implied “in my opinion” in what he wrote, and there is never any humility in what he writes so the “humble” part is right out the window. Please don’t join Publius in his tap dancing.

Ad hominem this, strawman that. Not that it really matters in this country, but I sure am glad that I’m not a fvcking idiot.

Garth said:
What is really amazing is that you idiots find it necessary to write a novel just to prove what total nit wits you are. Lesson learned?

Nice rebuttal…really.

Hunk said:
He’s chirping some left wing nut job poll from think propaganda. No bias there…

Sorry teabagger/GOP pig. I am sure you are praying to “God” right now hoping that I was merely trolling. Unfortunately, even liberal insults are backed by cold, hard scientific data.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-02-26/health/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence_1_sexual-behaviors-liberalism-exclusivity?_s=PM:HEALTH

Judge Mental said:
Where can I find this scientific research?

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-02-26/health/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence_1_sexual-behaviors-liberalism-exclusivity?_s=PM:HEALTH

Hunk said:
Nice rebuttal…really.

More chirping from the resident idiot.

Garth said:
Garth says:
April 1, 2011 at 7:24 pm Garth(Quote

Son,don’t look now, but there’s one too many in this room and I think it’s you.

James Randal said:
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-02-26/health/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence_1_sexual-behaviors-liberalism-exclusivity?_s=PM:HEALTH

Hey more Liberals convinced that because they are Liberals they are intellectual Giants. I love this stuff. Liberals are forever looking for proof that Brilliant creatures, destined to control and set in place the path of civilization. Liberals are smarter because, well, they say they are. Did you know that thinking a Liberal thought or looking at Al Gore, makes you smarter overnight? As soon as you have a Liberal conversation your IQ immediately goes skyrocketing. I am so thankful for the great Liberals….Did you know that the same study also found that these Liberals are the most self absorbed, egotistical elitist creatures to ever walk the earth? It was an appendix but they actually place a photo of Bill Maher next to that part of the report so that every other knuckle dragger was sure to make the connection. Thanks Great Liberals!!! They will be circle jerking it to this report until Alan Grayson rightfully assumes the Presidency.

Kuddos Fareed!

notsofast said:
Son,don’t look now, but there’s one too many in this room and I think it’s you.

I’ll leave so you and patched Glenn Beck doll can have some privacy. Son.

Garth said:
What is really amazing is that you idiots find it necessary to write a novel just to prove what total nit wits you are. Lesson learned?

Is the lesson to be learned that such is possible while using much less bandwidth? I knew there was a reason you contribute to this site.

Nevertheless, the main point, unchallenged as it was by you, stands. Fareed Zakaria (you know, the subject of my post) lied about the circumstance of Beck’s criticism to raise the brown fist of ‘oppression,’ just as he lied later when he implied, while expounding on the birther issue, that it’s the right and not the left that introduces race into most discussions. He’d just done that VERY THING not 20 seconds before while talking about Beck.

Of course, for typical America bashing leftists, you can’t get more American than that.

Garth said:
What is really amazing is that you idiots find it necessary to write a novel just to prove what total nit wits you are. Lesson learned?

And to think you do it in one sentence or less.

glenn113 said:
Kuddos Fareed!

Translation: allah akbar!

TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT!

Those 5th Century Evolutionary Anachronisms in the Middle East OWE US BIG TIME!

TIME TO COLLECT!!

when you think about this, it is really funny.

Fareed is an author, he is an anchor on CNN, he goes on Leno to talk about Glenn Beck. What does that say about Beck?

Beck is the winner.
Fareed is the loser
Leno is the faciliator.

So funny

you go Beck, kick their butts.

Dim Libs ALWAYS use the word ‘coded’ when they can’t connect their far-flung dots cohesively. When you can’t prove a relationship between A & B, say the connection is a ‘coded’ one to mask your ineptness.

Everyone knows this to be true.

Paleoconservatarian said:
How many wrong headed things can Zakaria get away with in the same interview? The ‘America basher’ and ‘useful idiot’ comments weren’t used in context to his false and deceitful accounting of how many foreign Muslims support attacks against American civilians, it was in regards to Zakaria’s kittenball interview of George Soros. An interview in which Soros decried certain tactics such as associating political enemies to Nazis and then used that very same tactic 10 seconds later while Zakaria sat there with a dumb smile on his face but no follow up question. It wasn’t so much an interview by a journalist as it was free air time given over to a billionaire to facilitate his attack.

Changing the argument – and it’s SETTING – several months on to characterize Beck’s comments as nativist is as cowardly as it is disingenuous. He was being called out for being a piss-poor leftist sympathizing journalist – and there’s enough of those to fill the entire lineup of 10 cable news channels’ worth of anchor seats, no matter from where they hailed. Zakaria’s response? To wrap himself up in victimization play of the poor, ‘oppressed’ foreigner. What a typical card for a leftist bigot to play.

“Just to have some fun” indeed. With the context, with the truth and with common decency.

Zakaria IS an “America basher” and “useful idiot”. I don’t see where Beck is wrong.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Our whole objective is to become Christlike.

How close do you think Beck is to that objective?

VoiceofReason said:
Perhaps were you more familiar with Christianity you would know that one of the paramount tennants of it is that we are not to judge the faith of others.

The Bible is chocked full of examples. Motes and splinters. Judge not lest ye be judged.

I am to put MY house in order long before I am to assess yours and by whatever measure I use will be the same when God assesses mine.

If ANYONE wants to profess a love of Christ, who am I to call that into question?

Where would you say the Christian right is on all of this when it comes to Barack Obama?

Publius219 said:
It is a fact that Christian Churches have said those things. That doesn’t mean I take them to be facts.

It’s amazing that things like this have to be explained isn’t it? Just simple reading comprehension. *sigh*

CosmosDan said:
exactly. in fact, my experience is whether you label yourself a Christian or not doesn’t mean squat. I know atheists who live up to the teachings of JC far more than self proclaimed Christians do. It’s what is inside the heart and mind of the individual that is expressed in their actions and words that counts, and that’s exactly what I get out of the teachings of Jesus.

Wonder what this says about the 2 people who voted this down? lol

catfishjuggling said:
It’s basically these same silly smack talking you’d get on the FanHouse website (but without the insight to ballpark cuisine). This is no longer an exchange of ideas. It is people rooting for team.

If I could you’d get 10 thumbs up (for the ballpark cuisine remark alone!) LOL

Fareed Zakaria makes me proud to be an American.

NORBIT Jr. said:
TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT!

Those 5th Century Evolutionary Anachronisms in the Middle East OWE US BIG TIME!

TIME TO COLLECT!!

lol Norbit is like Gordon Jr. Too lazy to do anything but cut and paste the same stuff in post after post.

Nacho said:
Fareed Zakaria makes me proud to be an American.

Which part of the interview makes you more proud? The one where Zakaria lied about what the issue was that was the subject of Beck’s criticism or the part where he lied about how righties bring up race even as he himself was bringing up race? Or maybe it was earlier in the interview in which he tried to pass off the seriously wrong-headed analysis that the tea party wasn’t the rightful inheritors of Reagan’s party?

Paleoconservatarian said:
Which part of the interview makes you more proud? The one where Zakaria lied about what the issue was that was the subject of Beck’s criticism or the part where he lied about how righties bring up race even as he himself was bringing up race? Or maybe it was earlier in the interview in which he tried to pass off the seriously wrong-headed analysis that the tea party wasn’t the rightful inheritors of Reagan’s party?

I think it was the part where he didn’t need to call people he disagreed with liars. Yup, I’m pretty sure that was it.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
Where would you say the Christian right is on all of this when it comes to Barack Obama?

Wow. What a great question for that particular post.

RichS said:
Oh, and where did I name call?

By the way, I’ve accepted the fact that I will never be Christ.

You;ll have to follow the posts and pay attention. LT, who is a Mormon and claims to be a Christian responded to Plubius’ remark that Mormons aren’t Christians by being insulting in her next two posts, while also claiming that the Christian goal of Mormons is to be more Christ like. Something any human might do , but an interesting piece of irony considering the subject. The non Christian expresses an opinion based on some real facts, and the Christian quickly resorts to name calling. It’s what might be called a teachable moment.

Ernest Borgnine, playing the part of a Russian spy, used that same line in “Ice Station Zebra.”

ZAKARIA IS A MUSLIM EXTREMIST TOOL. HE GETS A PAYCHECK FROM CAIR. HE SHOULD BE DEPORTED.

CosmosDan said:
Wow. What a great question for that particular post.

Thanks. :) Let’s see if I get any answers.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
Where would you say the Christian right is on all of this when it comes to Barack Obama?

It’s about not judging the faith of other believers in the faith. What faith do you think Obama is? It’s a different question.

CosmosDan said:
I think it was the part where he didn’t need to call people he disagreed with liars. Yup, I’m pretty sure that was it.

No, you don’t get away with ignoring my earlier illustration of Zakaria’s dishonesty and disingenuousness. The man clearly lied about the circumstances of Beck’s criticism and used an argument from December, in which he was still wrong, for critical comments that were sent his way for something that happened in February; probably because he felt he would be on safer ground in front of this particular audience by playing the poor, brown immigrant card.

Beck’s criticism had absolutely nothing to do with Zakaria hailing from India. It had to do with him giving a roll over interview to Soros and generally being a hack journalist with a penchant for blaming America.

It’s been said before. Mediaite needs an edit functionality; just long enough to fix stupid mistakes.

X-3 said:
Ernest Borgnine, playing the part of a Russian spy, used that same line in “Ice Station Zebra.”

ZAKARIA IS A MUSLIM EXTREMIST TOOL. HE GETS A PAYCHECK FROM CAIR. HE SHOULD BE DEPORTED.

Yes, in doing some quick research, he seems to be pro-Muslim. He seemingly fits into our system, but he’s rathe protected and I’ll bet he has an instant job waiting for him in an organization like CAIR.

Here he talks about Hezbollah’s “respect for the Jews.” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2578707/posts

People are on to him.

RichS said:
You do seem to give your side the benefit of the doubt. There was no implied “in my opinion” in what he wrote, and there is never any humility in what he writes so the “humble” part is right out the window. Please don’t join Publius in his tap dancing.

I have my bias and have admitted it several times on this site. It’s the best way I know to stay aware of it and keep it at a minimum. Considering the exchange before you decided to interject I’m not sure why this even matters to you at all. but , the very nature of certain subjects carry an implied IMO, because the matter is to some degree, subjective. It’s like our Christian friends who occasionally like to testify on this site. They believe what they are saying is true but the nature of tier beliefs implies it’s their opinion.

Plubius has said in this thread and in another I read that claiming Mormons are not Christians is in no way a slam against them as people, in fact, saying Mormons are fine people. I don’t know that I claimed any humility for either of us, but I’d say that makes it obvious that the Mormons aren’t Christians belief is not malicious or ego based.
I’ll go a step further and say I’d assume mature Mormons would realize that many people do not consider Mormons to be Christians , and not be to thin skinned about the statement.

Alz said:
It’s about not judging the faith of other believers in the faith. What faith do you think Obama is? It’s a different question.

Oh there’s a get out of jail free card. I didn’t realize that.

Paleoconservatarian said:
No, you don’t get away with ignoring my earlier illustration of Zakaria’s dishonesty and disingenuousness. The man clearly lied about the circumstances of Beck’s criticism and used an argument from December, in which he was still wrong, for critical comments that were sent his way for something that happened in February; probably because he felt he would be on safer ground in front of this particular audience by playing the poor, brown immigrant card.
Beck’s criticism had absolutely nothing to do with Zakaria hailing from India. It had to do with him giving a roll over interview to Soros and generally being a hack journalist with a penchant for blaming America.

Who the hell said it had anything to do with Fareed being India? Not me, not him. You’re trying way to hard to parse a casual exchange between Fareed and Leno to make him out a liar because you don’t like him. That was the point in my previous post and it’s still true.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
Oh there’s a get out of jail free card. I didn’t realize that.

I’ll turn it around: answer the question.

Alz said:
It’s about not judging the faith of other believers in the faith. What faith do you think Obama is? It’s a different question.

Just adding on here a bit. Liberals USE the beliefs of Christians (and Conservatives) against them (knowing that THEY never have to follow along.)

This lib Ellen Carey Rowe tried to trick people in not being able to comment about Obama’s religion. Remember, the libs are always telling us that we can’t profile or judge – or that we are to think that all behaviors are “equal.”

Her angle was to “catch” a Conservative or Christian and then to pounce on them being hypocritical.

But liberals are the first ones to judge and profile. In any discussion, the libs will always figure out who is their opponent and what are their characteristics. Only then, will they formulate an answer. The facts of the situation really don’t matter.

They do all this all the time as a way to undermine their opponents and to avoid seeking the truth.

So in all of this, it’s okay to question Obama’s faith and it’s okay to compare Islam to Christianity. How can we get better if we don’t learn from differences? (Libs think all behaviors are “equal” so they can’t talk much about Islam’s violence.)

I need to crash, but I’ll close with Pat Condell talking about Fitna: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxbYBIlT6VE

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
It’s about not judging the faith of other believers in the faith. What faith do you think Obama is? It’s a different question.

If I understand you, you are saying this only applies to other Christians?
If so, would that also include loving your brothers as yourself?
And, most importantly, isn’t your argument (however repugnant I might find it) moot since Obama HAS professed a love of Christ?
Lastly, what below might apply to everyone and not just other Christians?

“Perhaps were you more familiar with Christianity you would know that one of the paramount tennants of it is that we are not to judge the faith of others.
The Bible is chocked full of examples. Motes and splinters. Judge not lest ye be judged.
I am to put MY house in order long before I am to assess yours and by whatever measure I use will be the same when God assesses mine.
If ANYONE wants to profess a love of Christ, who am I to call that into question?”

Alz said:
I’ll turn it around: answer the question.

Not until I understand you correctly, tho I hardly think it matters what religion I think Obama is. Perhaps you can explain why it does.

Alz said:
Just adding on here a bit. Liberals USE the beliefs of Christians (and Conservatives) against them (knowing that THEY never have to follow along.)

This lib Ellen Carey Rowe tried to trick people in not being able to comment about Obama’s religion. Remember, the libs are always telling us that we can’t profile or judge – or that we are to think that all behaviors are “equal.”
Her angle was to “catch” a Conservative or Christian and then to pounce on them being hypocritical.

But liberals are the first ones to judge and profile. In any discussion, the libs will always figure out who is their opponent and what are their characteristics. Only then, will they formulate an answer. The facts of the situation really don’t matter.

They do all this all the time as a way to undermine their opponents and to avoid seeking the truth.

So in all of this, it’s okay to question Obama’s faith and it’s okay to compare Islam to Christianity. How can we get better if we don’t learn from differences? (Libs think all behaviors are “equal” so they can’t talk much about Islam’s violence.)

I need to crash, but I’ll close with Pat Condell talking about Fitna: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxbYBIlT6VE

What is it about Jesus’ teaching that you hate so much?

CosmosDan said:
Who the hell said it had anything to do with Fareed being India? Not me, not him.

Zakaria did when he mentioned his being an immigrant, then wrapping himself up in his status as if it weren’t one giant red herring totally unrelated to the criticism he was asked to ‘have some fun with.’ It’s common knowledge he immigrated from India.

CosmosDan said:
You’re trying way to hard to parse a casual exchange between Fareed and Leno to make him out a liar because you don’t like him. That was the point in my previous post and it’s still true.

Zakaria absolutely lied when he went past the criticism of February, which was a fallout of his rotten Soros interview, to December where he could try and score points by appearing to call his critic a ‘nativist.’ That’s much easier that himself having to explain in 30 seconds why he’s not a bad journalist.

I don’t dislike Zakaria. I don’t watch him enough to have strong feelings. I find him boring and pretentious and prone to sometimes offer skewed analysis based on phony assumptions or political talking points; a terrible combo for which he justly has terrible ratings.

Damn Zakaria really knows how to throw down. Beck, you gonna need to step it up, Zakaria ain’t playin.

When Jay Leno asked about Beck’s comments that Zakaria is an “America basher and useful idiot,” Zakaria smilingly shot back, “I’m an immigrant. I’m not an American by accident of birth, as Glenn Beck is. I’m an American by choice. I came to this country.”

Interesting. So, is Zakaria implying in his quote that as he is a naturalized citizen of the United States , he possesses superiority over all those who are native born?

Paleoconservatarian said:
Zakaria did when he mentioned his being an immigrant, then wrapping himself up in his status as if it weren’t one giant red herring totally unrelated to the criticism he was asked to ‘have some fun with.’ It’s common knowledge he immigrated from India.

sheesh. It was a casual off hand conversation with Leno , not an analysis or a point by point defense. I doubt he takes any of Beck’s criticisms very seriously. It was just a response to the term America bashing. He was dismissing it as childish nonsense which is probably exactly what it is.

Paleoconservatarian said:
Zakaria absolutely lied when he went past the criticism of February, which was a fallout of his rotten Soros interview, to December where he could try and score points by appearing to call his critic a ‘nativist.’ That’s much easier that himself having to explain in 30 seconds why he’s not a bad journalist.

Again, you’re reading far to much into it. He dismissed Beck as silly and petty. You may not agree but that doesn’t make him a liar.

jrd said:
Interesting. So, is Zakaria implying in his quote that as he is a naturalized citizen of the United States , he possesses superiority over all those who are native born?

No, he isn’t. He’s implying Beck’s criticism of him as America bashing is foolish. I marvel that when people want to find fault they read far more into a comment than is actually there.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
Not until I understand you correctly, tho I hardly think it matters what religion I think Obama is. Perhaps you can explain why it does.

You will probably never understand me correctly.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
What is it about Jesus’ teaching that you hate so much?

You are a textbook liberal.

Sorry, it won’t work here. Your use of Jesus is not of a way to make things better, but to try to undermine me through my beliefs that you don’t have in the first place.

Like I said, “textbook.”

Spend some time and watch “How Modern Liberals Think” by Evan Sayet at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

You’ll need 45 minutes and make sure you watch the Q&A at the end. (I’ll be back in an unknown number of hours.) Any one who wants to understand Modern Liberals should watch this video.

CosmosDan said:
I think it was the part where he didn’t need to call people he disagreed with liars. Yup, I’m pretty sure that was it.

Hmmm? What are you supposed to call someone that is lying? A LIE is not a point of view, an opinion or a statement you disagree with, IT IS JUST A LIE.
Libs like to thind their lies are just a different point of view. LOL, let me tell you a secret, it is a LIE.

Hey! Look at me! I may have a tenuous grasp on reality, but I know how to spell my name and work the tape recording machine. I also like to make jokes that no one understands but me. LOL (alone).

When Glenn Beck was born his mother screamed, “It’s alive. Don’t flush it!”

Publius219 said:
Ad hominem this, strawman that. Not that it really matters in this country, but I sure am glad that I’m not a fvcking idiot.

You can always cling to that hope.

CosmosDan said:
You;ll have to follow the posts and pay attention. LT, who is a Mormon and claims to be a Christian responded to Plubius’ remark that Mormons aren’t Christians by being insulting in her next two posts, while also claiming that the Christian goal of Mormons is to be more Christ like. Something any human might do , but an interesting piece of irony considering the subject. The non Christian expresses an opinion based on some real facts, and the Christian quickly resorts to name calling. It’s what might be called a teachable moment.

Yes, I know. Now you are being tiresome. This alters nothing that I’ve said. Publius cherry picks his opinions. You defend him because he is on the same side to the aisle as you. I threw in the previous reference about Publius not understanding the First Amendment because in a previous post he seemed to think it applied to this forum.

CosmosDan said:
I have my bias and have admitted it several times on this site. It’s the best way I know to stay aware of it and keep it at a minimum. Considering the exchange before you decided to interject I’m not sure why this even matters to you at all. but , the very nature of certain subjects carry an implied IMO, because the matter is to some degree, subjective. It’s like our Christian friends who occasionally like to testify on this site. They believe what they are saying is true but the nature of tier beliefs implies it’s their opinion. Plubius has said in this thread and in another I read that claiming Mormons are not Christians is in no way a slam against them as people, in fact, saying Mormons are fine people. I don’t know that I claimed any humility for either of us, but I’d say that makes it obvious that the Mormons aren’t Christians belief is not malicious or ego based.I’ll go a step further and say I’d assume mature Mormons would realize that many people do not consider Mormons to be Christians , and not be to thin skinned about the statement.

So, in your opinion one should not to offense to others preaching to them about what their beliefs are? Is that what you are saying, cause that is what Publius is doing.

So to summarize, no one else on here has actually read “The Post-American World.” But everyone seems to feel qualified to comment on it.

Well I think we have officially reached the end of our utility here.

catfishjuggling said:
So to summarize, no one else on here has actually read “The Post-American World.” But everyone seems to feel qualified to comment on it. Well I think we have officially reached the end of our utility here.

Everyone? I haven’t commented on it. Try being a bit more sane when you make your comments.

RichS said:
So, in your opinion one should not to offense to others preaching to them about what their beliefs are? Is that what you are saying, cause that is what Publius is doing.

Are you kidding me? Have you seen some of the posts about Islam or Black Liberation Theology on this site? Publius didn’t attack anyone or tell them what their beliefs are. He expressed an opinion based on some real facts and in a reasonable manner. If you’re looking for offensive posts and posters to go after there are a shitload ahead of him.

RichS said:
Publius cherry picks his opinions

I have no idea what that even means. How do you cherry pick an opinion? Bias can affect our opinion. We can cherry pick which facts or details we stress or dismiss, but I’m not sure we can cherry pick our opinions.

RichS said:
. You defend him because he is on the same side to the aisle as you.

Sometimes I just defend logic and reason, or appreciate the limited number of posters who can express themselves without being assholes.Publius falls in that category. There’s nothing offensive about expressing the opinion that Mormons aren’t Christians on a public forum, especially when it’s grounded in significant facts.
Anyone can claim to be Christian. The Westboro Baptists think they are, but I’m guessing hardly anyone else does. Jesus even talks about it in the NT. I have no clue why you’re making an issue out of something so minor and non offensive, but..

RichS said:
Now you are being tiresome

I know exactly what you mean. We’re done here.

gordonbloyershow said:
Hmmm? What are you supposed to call someone that is lying? A LIE is not a point of view, an opinion or a statement you disagree with, IT IS JUST A LIE.
Libs like to thind their lies are just a different point of view. LOL, let me tell you a secret, it is a LIE.

Not sure if this matters to you Gordon, since you seem so quick to label people liars, but lying is about intent. It’s intentional dishonesty , or misrepresentation. Having an honest difference of opinion is not lying. Being mistaken, or not having all the relevant facts, is not lying.
In this case Fareed was having a casual conversation with Jay and just as casually dismissed Beck as silly. This was not a detailed discussion or debate about anything. For anyone to claim Fareed is lying in this clip they are either a mind reader, or their bias is over riding their ability to judge fairly. The latter happens all the freakin time on this board.

Calling someone names and disparaging their character may be an entertaining pastime for some posters but I’m not interested.

Alz said:
You are a textbook liberal.

Sorry, it won’t work here. Your use of Jesus is not of a way to make things better, but to try to undermine me through my beliefs that you don’t have in the first place.

Like I said, “textbook.”

Spend some time and watch “How Modern Liberals Think” by Evan Sayet at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

You’ll need 45 minutes and make sure you watch the Q&A at the end. (I’ll be back in an unknown number of hours.) Any one who wants to understand Modern Liberals should watch this video.

Thought you’d opt to make up a story about me in your head and then weasel out.

CosmosDan said:
Who the hell said it had anything to do with Fareed being India? Not me, not him.

uhhhh … let’s do this real s l o w … even a leftard might understand … Freak brought up his immigration status and he is from India you know (as opposed to being India as CosmoDim would have us believe.)

But then again it’s not that you don’t understand but it’s that you are playing the dumb card, and you play it very well, except in the playing the only one dumb enough to believe it is .. you.

Severian said:
uhhhh … let’s do this real s l o w … even a leftard might understand … Freak brought up his immigration status and he is from India you know (as opposed to being India as CosmoDim would have us believe.)

But then again it’s not that you don’t understand but it’s that you are playing the dumb card, and you play it very well, except in the playing the only one dumb enough to believe it is .. you.

You completely missed the point while stopping by for a cheap shot insult. Congratulations. It really highlights how goofy and empty your insults are.

Severian said:
uhhhh … let’s do this real s l o w … even a leftard might understand … Freak brought up his immigration status and he is from India you know (as opposed to being India as CosmoDim would have us believe.)But then again it’s not that you don’t understand but it’s that you are playing the dumb card, and you play it very well, except in the playing the only one dumb enough to believe it is .. you.

Leftard.

See that’s clever. You’ve managed to combine the word “left” which describes a poitical slant and “retard” which is an insulting term for a person with mental development issues that causes Palin to be fake outraged when used by a political opponent.

You are the port-manteau king du jour.

catfishjuggling said:
Leftard.

See that’s clever. You’ve managed to combine the word “left” which describes a poitical slant and “retard” which is an insulting term for a person with mental development issues that causes Palin to be fake outraged when used by a political opponent.

You are the port-manteau king du jour.

Did you also notice the clever spacing on s l o w? That’s good stuff. I’m taking notes, just in case I decide to go with empty irrelevant insults like the popular kids do.

CosmosDan said:
Did you also notice the clever spacing on s l o w? That’s good stuff. I’m taking notes, just in case I decide to go with empty irrelevant insults like the popular kids do.

No. I was more focused on his use of “real” when “really” should have been used.

Apparently adverbs are optional with this rightnontard.

Also enjoyed the change of Dan to Dim. That’s some kind of good comedy.

CosmosDan said:
sheesh. It was a casual off hand conversation with Leno , not an analysis or a point by point defense. I doubt he takes any of Beck’s criticisms very seriously. It was just a response to the term America bashing. He was dismissing it as childish nonsense which is probably exactly what it is.

No, it wasn’t casual. Leno opened the topic with ‘just to have some fun here.’ Fun? His tone became harsh as he reviewed the criticism, which wasn’t particularly topical. Leno had to dig back 2 months to resurrect a feud, which was only a weigh station to Zakaria immediately going back 5 months to carry forward an argument already proved wrong on it’s merits – for the left had tried that angle to attack Beck and was smacked down (more on that later). He took the criticism seriously enough to step back into it, even when he knew it was a losing agreement.

There was a sharp point to Leno’s introduction and participation – to attack on a large stage Glenn Beck’s credibility on any such occasion when there’s a ‘useful idiot’ in the room willing to go down that road.

CosmosDan said:
Again, you’re reading far to much into it. He dismissed Beck as silly and petty. You may not agree but that doesn’t make him a liar.

Again, it’s not ‘silly’ to Zakaria, it’s quite evidently personal, the degree to which terrorism finds support in the Muslim world, because he was the only one that refused to put down that bone when the math was checked 5 months ago and because he’s quick to want to reengage here.

He almost stumbles when he says the state department only counted 10,000 attacks, then corrects – the wrong way – to a 1000. He just divided by a factor of 10. The real number is above 10,000. (Which is an entire point aside. Oh. Only a thousand attacks – or only 10,000 attacks – each of which had the potential of killing many times their number? Nothing to worry about at all.). So he went the wrong way on a known fact. BTW, the state department figure? For 1 year only. Zakaria reduced all this to ‘perhaps a hundred involved in planning.’ This isn’t analysis about Beck; it’s analysis about the nature of terrorist networks.

But perhaps the average Leno viewer won’t be so keen on the math. They’ll get that it doesn’t make sense, but they’ll not know why. Of course, they’ll assume it was Beck’s sloppy accounting on his chalkboards and not Zakaria, a journalist with a low modulated voice, to be the one who’s misleading them. After all, Zakaria just used the term ‘hundreds’ in relation to terrorists whereas Beck was talking about significant swaths of the entire Muslim population. Surely, Zakaria is the one who’s more accurate, they’ll say.

But even here he’s wrong, for studies of the region, the source of Beck’s allegation, have shown a broad support for the actions of America’s enemies – and the tactics they employ – which fit the definition of those who ‘support terror.’ This was a won argument for Beck and Zakaria knew all this months ago.

Ah, but Zakaria has a new angle. There’s the criticism from February, about the Soros interview, in which he was called an America basher. Now if only he can take that criticism and make it seem as if it applied to the argument from December in which there was the topic of race/religion and – Voilà! (or is it Wallah) – instant racial victim card. Beck must have been calling Fareed a dirty little brown immigrant who only bashes America because he wasn’t born here. That’s as deceitful, and disingenuous as his handling of the terrorism numbers.

There’s one running theme to all this. He is trivializing something. Muslim extremism – by way of Beck. For Zakaria, it’s about defending Muslims and their image, mitigating their endemic culture of terror, even to the point of lying.

CosmosDan said:
Are you kidding me? Have you seen some of the posts about Islam or Black Liberation Theology on this site? Publius didn’t attack anyone or tell them what their beliefs are. He expressed an opinion based on some real facts and in a reasonable manner. If you’re looking for offensive posts and posters to go after there are a shitload ahead of him. I have no idea what that even means. How do you cherry pick an opinion? Bias can affect our opinion. We can cherry pick which facts or details we stress or dismiss, but I’m not sure we can cherry pick our opinions. Sometimes I just defend logic and reason, or appreciate the limited number of posters who can express themselves without being assholes.Publius falls in that category. There’s nothing offensive about expressing the opinion that Mormons aren’t Christians on a public forum, especially when it’s grounded in significant facts.Anyone can claim to be Christian. The Westboro Baptists think they are, but I’m guessing hardly anyone else does. Jesus even talks about it in the NT. I have no clue why you’re making an issue out of something so minor and non offensive, but.. I know exactly what you mean. We’re done here.

I guess I bring this up because I’m tired of the faux-superior attitude of atheists when it comes to religion. In my experience atheists are the biggest religious zealots. The have as much proof for their beliefs as religious people have for theirs but they tend to act as if theirs is the only truth. Agnostics, on the other hand, are honest and usually aren’t overbearing. Its my cause of the day, so to speak. Why can’t I choose what I reply to without you telling me that there is some other group of posts I should reply to instead?

Publius is an insufferable snob. You, until now, seemed to disagree with reason.

CosmosDan said:
Anyone can claim to be Christian. The Westboro Baptists think they are, but I’m guessing hardly anyone else does.

Christians and world-class jerks aren’t mutually exclusive subsets of people. Why wouldn’t the Westboro Baptist Church family be considered both at the same time?

CosmosDan said:
You completely missed the point while stopping by for a cheap shot insult. Congratulations. It really highlights how goofy and empty your insults are.

All your posts are cheap shot insults so it’s like the pot calling the kettle black. Pretty funny. If I missed the point why did you make it.

I am always curious by this term “taking the threat of Muslim extremism seriously.”

What exactly does that mean? Now it could easily be argued that he also takes the threat seiously. He just may have a different solution that you.

So, why question is: what would someone say who takes the threat seriously in your opinion? And more importantly: what do you suppose the over one billion of the world’s Muslim’s, most of who just wake up and go to work without blowing anyone up, do to make you happy?

catfishjuggling said:
Also enjoyed the change of Dan to Dim. That’s some kind of good comedy.

But not original
. Seen it before.

Apostrophe error noted on my use of Muslim’s instead of Muslims. Add an edit feature please, Mediaite overlords!

Paleoconservatarian said:
Christians and world-class jerks aren’t mutually exclusive subsets of people. Why wouldn’t the Westboro Baptist Church family be considered both at the same time?

Well they kinda are mutually exclusive according to Jesus, but you’re welcome to your own opinion.

Severian said:
All your posts are cheap shot insults

Let me phrase this at the appropriate maturity level for this type of conversation.

ARE NOT!!

Severian said:
If I missed the point why did you make it.

What it are you talking about? You still don’t know what point I was making. You just decided to stop by and lay some clever put downs on the lib. Good for you. I’m impressed. Didn’t you read that I took notes?

catfishjuggling said:
Leftard.

See that’s clever. You’ve managed to combine the word “left” which describes a poitical slant and “retard” which is an insulting term for a person with mental development issues that causes Palin to be fake outraged when used by a political opponent.

You are the port-manteau king du jour.

Since I have not expressed an outrage with terms applied to Palin’s kid, when you say ” a political oppenent ” you can not be addressing me. No, you are painting with a broad brush. You’ll forgive me then for doing the same in the use of “leftard.” You see after Joseph Glackin’s comments about “drool rooms” my impression was such language is the language of the left.
BTW isn’t port-manteau unhyphenated. Just asking. You may be better educated than I or many others here (which makes me wonder why you inhabit this board) but all it means is you are intelligent, not smarter.

RichS said:
I guess I bring this up because I’m tired of the faux-superior attitude of atheists when it comes to religion.

I understand that having experienced it myself in the past. I didn’t see it from Publius on in any other for that matter. Perhaps I missed it. IMO, it’s just people being people, and whatever religious or non religious label they apply to themselves doesn’t reveal anything about their general character. I’m not fond of atheists who sneeringly dismiss God belief as foolish or feeble minded for reasons similar to what you expressed, but I’ve never noticed that from Publius. Certainly not in this thread. Sounds like you went after his posts in this thread not based on the content of the posts but a more personal attitude about atheists in general , and the poster personally. That’s your prerogative, but I was discussing the actual content of the posts.

RichS said:
Why can’t I choose what I reply to without you telling me that there is some other group of posts I should reply to instead?

You can post however you like, as can I. It seems the reasons you were giving for your criticism were, lets say, incomplete, which is why they didn’t make sense to me. If you want to criticize atheists because it’s your pet peeve , have at it. If I think you’re being unreasonable or unfair, I’m free to express it.

RichS said:
Publius is an insufferable snob. You, until now, seemed to disagree with reason.

oh, and going after someone because you have a negative opinion of their attitude, rather than the content of the specific post, is not about reason.

catfishjuggling said:
And more importantly: what do you suppose the over one billion of the world’s Muslim’s, most of who just wake up and go to work without blowing anyone up, do to make you happy?

Well, they can all get together, stop shrugging their shoulders, crack down on the those among them who strap bombs to kids, arrest them and those who preach it’s a moral good to do such things, develop the cultural value that those who hold different religious views oughtn’t be considered inferior infidels on whom they can exercise their will and rejoin the rest of the civilized world in their newfound modernity.

In short, they can stop letting intolerant, violent supremacists speak for them. But being a realist, I’d actually be happy with considerably less than that.

If only the worlds 1.5 billion Muslims would just behave the right thinks they ought. *sigh*

Paleoconservatarian said:
No, it wasn’t casual

save yourself some typing. We won’t agree.

Paleoconservatarian said:
There was a sharp point to Leno’s introduction and participation – to attack on a large stage Glenn Beck’s credibility on any such occasion when there’s a ‘useful idiot’ in the room willing to go down that road.

That smacks of unrealistic conspiracy nonsense to me. You’re assigning a level of malicious and devious planning that seems ridiculous.

Paleoconservatarian said:
He almost stumbles when he says the state department only counted 10,000 attacks, then corrects – the wrong way – to a 1000.

So what? He’s not at his desk with a prepared report , but trying to recall the numbers on the fly. Again, to imply malicious intent seems ridiculous. The number he used in his report , gathered from credible sources , was 11,000, and he still showed Beck’s numbers to be nonsense. For Beck and Stu to hang on the technicality of a word used on dictionary.com, rather than the common definition by people dealing with terrorism, is incredibly feeble.

Paleoconservatarian said:
But even here he’s wrong, for studies of the region, the source of Beck’s allegation, have shown a broad support for the actions of America’s enemies – and the tactics they employ – which fit the definition of those who ’support terror.’ This was a won argument for Beck and Zakaria knew all this months ago.

Wrong, an attitude of sympathy toward the causes of terrorists , or hatred for America and the west, does not make someone a terrorist. A terrorist is someone who willingly and knowingly ACTIVELY, participates in in a terrorist act. That means , planning, financial support, packing a lunch, whatever, but not just expressing an opinion. That was Zakaria’s point and he’s correct.
I might support executing pedophiles, including Catholic priests, but that doesn’t mean I’d participate in a plot to kill someone. I’d have to participate to be an accessory.

Paleoconservatarian said:
Ah, but Zakaria has a new angle. There’s the criticism from February, about the Soros interview, in which he was called an America basher. Now if only he can take that criticism and make it seem as if it applied to the argument from December in which there was the topic of race/religion and – Voilà! (or is it Wallah) – instant racial victim card. Beck must have been calling Fareed a dirty little brown immigrant who only bashes America because he wasn’t born here. That’s as deceitful, and disingenuous as his handling of the terrorism numbers.

You are not a mind reader, and this just is more bias finding fault and assigning motives and thinking you can’t possibly know.

Paleoconservatarian said:
There’s one running theme to all this. He is trivializing something. Muslim extremism – by way of Beck. For Zakaria, it’s about defending Muslims and their image, mitigating their endemic culture of terror, even to the point of lying.

It is in no way trivializing anything to be concerned about accuracy or to call out those who spread bullshit for profit.

Muslim extremism is a serious problem, and at the same time, anti Muslim bigotry is also a problem because it helps fuel the former. Those who fuel it for profit and attentions sake, are not helping anyone but themselves.

Love Fareed! It is so nice to listen to smart intelligent people talk. Wish Fox could produce some.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
If only the worlds 1.5 billion Muslims would just behave the right thinks they ought. *sigh*

In other words… No. Too easy.

You just stood up for terrorism. And made it’s support or condemnation a conventional partisan issue. No amount of argumentation would work with you and to simply insult you would be to undermine and diminish the truth revealed in your post.

Paleoconservatarian said:
You just stood up for terrorism. And made it’s support or condemnation a conventional partisan issue. No amount of argumentation would work with you and to simply insult you would be to undermine and diminish the truth revealed in your post.

Too someone who has made the personal decision to project that I stand up for terrorism the rest of your post would make sense to you. It’s a false premise of course … but serves your purpose just fine I suppose.

TrollJuice said:
Love Fareed! It is so nice to listen to smart intelligent people talk. Wish Fox could produce some.

Thats exactly what I would expect someone with the name “trolljuice” to say.

CosmosDan said:
Having an honest difference of opinion is not lying. Being mistaken, or not having all the relevant facts, is not lying.

You are correct. That is why Bush was not lying about Iraq.

When someone says ObamaCare will not increase the deficit, they are LYING. When someone says that says that cutting funds from Public Television will end Sesame Street, they are LYING.
When someone says that the republican cuts are draconian or extreme, they are LYING. When someone says that they know that humans are causing climate change, they are LYING.
When someone says that public employees have a RIGHT to collective bargaining, they are LYING.
Zakaria believes and promotes ALL those lies. Zakaria is a LIAR.

CosmosDan said:
who spread bullshit for profit.

Muslim extremism is a serious problem, and at the same time, anti Muslim bigotry is also a problem because it helps fuel the former. Those who fuel it for profit and attentions sake, are not helping anyone but themselves.

So what do you think Frareak is doing? Everyone from him to mulla’s are doing it for attention and/or money. Both are power. Conveniently you don’t make the case for, so called, anti-Muslim bigotry being fueled by Muslim extremism.

Severian said:
So what do you think Frareak is doing? Everyone from him to mulla’s are doing it for attention and/or money. Both are power. Conveniently you don’t make the case for, so called, anti-Muslim bigotry being fueled by Muslim extremism.

And Muslim extremism being fueled by anti-Muslim bigotry. Keep the masses busy and their focus on each other.

To the larger point

CosmosDan said:
So what? He’s not at his desk with a prepared report , but trying to recall the numbers on the fly. Again, to imply malicious intent seems ridiculous. The number he used in his report , gathered from credible sources , was 11,000, and . . .

So what? He’s purposely going the wrong way with very important numbers. First from 10,000 (a year which isn’t mentioned) to a thousand by accidental division to merely a hundred “planners.” As intelligent as he presumably is, he shouldn’t need these numbers in front of him to know what he’s talking about, especially as he, being a reporter with an internationalist scope, deals frequently with the subject matter. And remember, he’s rehashing an argument that’s already been had, so he should be doubly familiar with these particular numbers. And people, knowing the issue, are supposed to support it? This is analysis with an agenda.

CosmosDan said:
. . . was 11,000, and he still showed Beck’s numbers to be nonsense. For Beck and Stu to hang on the technicality of a word used on dictionary.com, rather than the common definition by people dealing with terrorism, is incredibly feeble.

The common definition? Technicality? Oh, how much feeble wriggling. This is 5 months in a running attempt to take something Beck said, a side comment no less, out of context. The attempt failed in it’s first showing; the reprise, now with a racial twist to it, isn’t getting any more convincing. Mediaite agreed it failed, though begrudgingly. A good portion of the greater Muslim world doesn’t have much of a problem with the tactics of terror. Just how did Zakaria show Becks’ allegation to be nonsense by limiting the demographic under examination to just those who physically strap bombs onto people? That wasn’t the argument. BTW, it should be illustrative that Fareed Zakaria is the ONLY person still arguing this point.

CosmosDan said:
Wrong, an attitude of sympathy toward the causes of terrorists , or hatred for America and the west, does not make someone a terrorist. A terrorist is someone who willingly and knowingly ACTIVELY, participates in in a terrorist act. That means , planning, financial support, packing a lunch, whatever, but not just expressing an opinion. That was Zakaria’s point and he’s correct.

Beck’s original statement was predicated on the definition he would later use. Terrorists are those who support the use of terror as a tactic. Zakaria didn’t take on Beck’s point in the spirit in which it was given; HE became overly technical in it’s definition; therefore Zakaria’s criticism was disingenuous.

Scatter shot points on the little things…

CosmosDan said:
You are not a mind reader, and this just is more bias finding fault and assigning motives and thinking you can’t possibly know.

Motivations can be derived from observable data when such is examined, dissected, put into context and properly analyzed. It’s not mind-reading. It’s critical thinking.

CosmosDan said:
It is in no way trivializing anything to be concerned about accuracy or to call out those who spread bullshit for profit.

You were saying something earlier about the impossibility of discerning motivations?

CosmosDan said:
Muslim extremism is a serious problem . . .

This shouldn’t be the only area we can agree, but Zakaria’s criticism and the reflexive tendency to view issues through the prisms by which they’re presented to us has made it so.

CosmosDan said:
Muslim extremism is a serious problem, and at the same time, anti Muslim bigotry is also a problem because it helps fuel the former.

A specious argument that breaks down thus – a crime is only a crime if people think it’s a crime.

CosmosDan said:
save yourself some typing. We won’t agree.

Particularly when I provide opinion based on detailed observations and analysis and you provide simply opinion.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
Too someone who has made the personal decision to project that I stand up for terrorism the rest of your post would make sense to you. It’s a false premise of course … but serves your purpose just fine I suppose.

Well, then, you tell me how to interpret the statement that the American political right ought have no input in how Muslims conduct themselves, especially when the subject under discussion is Muslim tolerance for international terrorism? There’s very little room, as I see it, for you to wiggle out of having to concede you didn’t just say westerners of the conservative variety shouldn’t tell Muslims they can’t be terrorists.

Severian said:
Since I have not expressed an outrage with terms applied to Palin’s kid, when you say ” a political oppenent ” you can not be addressing me. No, you are painting with a broad brush. You’ll forgive me then for doing the same in the use of “leftard.” You see after Joseph Glackin’s comments about “drool rooms” my impression was such language is the language of the left.BTW isn’t port-manteau unhyphenated. Just asking. You may be better educated than I or many others here (which makes me wonder why you inhabit this board) but all it means is you are intelligent, not smarter.

Yes. Actually portmanteau is not hyphenated. My bad. You’re right.

See that. Someone on here just admittied he was wrong.

Sorry for being unclear about the political opponent part. I was typing on my phone while waiting for my wife at the salon. It was an unclear sentence. I was speaking of when Sarah Palin went apoplectic over Rahm Emanuel’s using the word “retard.” She demanded he resign and I remember endless coverage on Fox about how hurtful the word is.

gordonbloyershow said:
You are correct. That is why Bush was not lying about Iraq. When someone says ObamaCare will not increase the deficit, they are LYING. When someone says that says that cutting funds from Public Television will end Sesame Street, they are LYING.When someone says that the republican cuts are draconian or extreme, they are LYING. When someone says that they know that humans are causing climate change, they are LYING.When someone says that public employees have a RIGHT to collective bargaining, they are LYING.Zakaria believes and promotes ALL those lies. Zakaria is a LIAR.

When someone posts videos of himself ranting on YouTube and calls it a show, he is also a liar.

Yes Gordon, I am hiding behind a phony name.

Next.

Fareed Zakaria is a Muslim apologist and a communist. I wouldn’t believe a word he said.

Paleoconservatarian said:

Well, they can all get together, stop shrugging their shoulders, crack down on the those among them who strap bombs to kids, arrest them and those who preach it’s a moral good to do such things, develop the cultural value that those who hold different religious views oughtn’t be considered inferior infidels on whom they can exercise their will and rejoin the rest of the civilized world in their newfound modernity.

In short, they can stop letting intolerant, violent supremacists speak for them. But being a realist, I’d actually be happy with considerably less than that.

Where exactly should these 1.5 billion people get together. I only have a couple of extra bedrooms, but I’ll pitch in the best I can. Or would a nice letter take care of it.

BTW, how certain are you that you have an accurate reading of the views of 1.5 million people. Also, are you sure that the views of an Indian muslim is the same as a Turk? How about a Somali? Maybe, JUST MAYBE, there are other views?

Or are you more in favor of the collective assigning of guilt? Would you like the local media to call you for an apology on the behalf of all of Christendom each time a priest rapes a kid? How about you pony up each time a white guy shoots his wife?

Paleoconservatarian said:
Well, then, you tell me how to interpret the statement that the American political right ought have no input in how Muslims conduct themselves, especially when the subject under discussion is Muslim tolerance for international terrorism? There’s very little room, as I see it, for you to wiggle out of having to concede you didn’t just say westerners of the conservative variety shouldn’t tell Muslims they can’t be terrorists.

I just do’t see much hate speech coming from the left around the worlds Muslims. Although I was very disappointed in the stance Howard Dean and a few others on the left took around the Muslim Community Center a couple of blocks from ground zero. I lost a lot of respect for Dean over that. I really thought he was more grounded.

I find you do not debate with integrity. You project then ask me to prove you wrong. I don’t participate in that particular form of debate …. unless I do. For now, I don’t . Sorry. Feel free to give this response whatever meaning you’d like. They’re just your thoughts and cannot really effect reality. :)

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
And Muslim extremism being fueled by anti-Muslim bigotry. Keep the masses busy and their focus on each other.

you already said that. thanks for being redundant.
and the last sentence is what? you think it’s a pearl of wisdom and we’re all stunned with your awesomeness? ha, no buddy it’s simply a trite little phrase so inclusive in it’s application it even applies to you, i.e., it’s meaningless.

gordonbloyershow said:
Zakaria believes and promotes ALL those lies. Zakaria is a LIAR.

I’m not wasting my time on any of that. We were talking about very specific words in a specific clip , so Zakaria’s stances on other issues is irrelevant to the issue of whether he’s lying in this clip.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
And Muslim extremism being fueled by anti-Muslim bigotry. Keep the masses busy and their focus on each other.

Man, you ARE right out of the textbook. So somehow you are excusing the Islamic violence and saying it’s the fault of people who point out the violence!?!?

Keep “talking.”

catfishjuggling said:
When someone posts videos of himself ranting on YouTube and calls it a show, he is also a liar.

Wham! Pow! Ouch!!

Severian said:
you already said that. thanks for being redundant.
and the last sentence is what? you think it’s a pearl of wisdom and we’re all stunned with your awesomeness? ha, no buddy it’s simply a trite little phrase so inclusive in it’s application it even applies to you, i.e., it’s meaningless.

And you have a nice day too. :)

Yes I did mistake you for CosmoDim. All you ‘guys’ blur together. It does allow me to ask about the “Keep the masses busy and their focus on each other.” Are you paraphrasing Alinsky or Marx?

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
I find you do not debate with integrity. You project then ask me to prove you wrong. I don’t participate in that particular form of debate …. unless I do. For now, I don’t . Sorry.

That’s just the way of every debate. Ever. When one states things, they’re presenting their utterances for criticism. Valid points backed by truths stand the test of criticism. Those that don’t have their inconsistencies and failings highlighted for all who will see to see.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
Feel free to give this response whatever meaning you’d like. They’re just your thoughts and cannot really effect reality. :)

When confronted, those who throw up their hands and say “think what you want” are often conceding an inability to argue a point. Yep. I’ll read what I read, and take it the way I take it and be satisfied with the idea that my thoughts effect reality to the degree they interact with those that see or hear them.

Alz said:
Man, you ARE right out of the textbook. So somehow you are excusing the Islamic violence and saying it’s the fault of people who point out the violence!?!?

Keep “talking.”

Not what I said at all. Try reading without projection and see what you find.

Severian said:
Yes I did mistake you for CosmoDim. All you ‘guys’ blur together. It does allow me to ask about the “Keep the masses busy and their focus on each other.” Are you paraphrasing Alinsky or Marx?

I wasn’t quoting anyone but I was pointing to the very effective Hegelian Principle. It’s a theory, but a pretty good one.

Best cure for Muslim bashing is likely to be when the *civilized* Muslims get on with cleaning their own house. Being afraid of retaliation by “uncivilized” Muslims won’t fly, either- “Jihad” cuts both ways… Being an American means taking a stand, even if it happens to be at the Alamo. I’m waiting with baited, but not held, breath.

Paleoconservatarian said:
That’s just the way of every debate. Ever.

I disagree. It is one form of debate but not a very honest one. I prefer debate where one seeks to clarify another position by asking them for clarification rather than tell them what they mean then ask them to prove otherwise. It just seems, well, manipulative.

Paleoconservatarian said:
When confronted, those who throw up their hands and say “think what you want” are often conceding an inability to argue a point. Yep.

Or perhaps one finds nothing if interest in arguing a point. I value my time and whom I spend it with. But, as I’ve said to you before, make of it what you will. You really don’t need me for this conversation anyway. It’s between you and you as me.

Glenn is an accident. Period.

Best cure for christian bashing is likely to be when the *civilized* christians get on with cleaning their own house. Being afraid of retaliation by “uncivilized” christians won’t fly, either- “inquisition” cuts both ways…

catfishjuggling said:
Where exactly should these 1.5 billion people get together. I only have a couple of extra bedrooms, but I’ll pitch in the best I can. Or would a nice letter take care of it.

Empty facetiousness.

catfishjuggling said:
BTW, how certain are you that you have an accurate reading of the views of 1.5 million people. Also, are you sure that the views of an Indian muslim is the same as a Turk? How about a Somali? Maybe, JUST MAYBE, there are other views?

Other views to what? From Sudan to the Philippines the story, though not universal, is often the same; that of a violent Muslim extremist movement at war with the people of another religion or with those of their own society supporting peace with another religion.

catfishjuggling said:
Or are you more in favor of the collective assigning of guilt? Would you like the local media to call you for an apology on the behalf of all of Christendom each time a priest rapes a kid? How about you pony up each time a white guy shoots his wife?

False equivalencies abound. There are no religious precepts shared among many in the west to normalize the rape of children. There are no teachings among white people telling them it’s acceptable to shoot their wives. I collectivize guilt insofar as I consider guilty those who act on their Intolerant, violent supremacists beliefs. For the rest, I say we should endeavor to lend them a hand, and not to trivialize their task. But so many leftists seem to want instead to bury the solution to Muslim extremism, honest debate on the subject, in a politically correct minefield.

Why is this? You don’t mind the occasional explosions as much as the idea that some might think harshly of those pushing the button?

Paleoconservatarian said:
Why is this? You don’t mind the occasional explosions as much as the idea that some might think harshly of those pushing the button?

This is a ridiculous and completely dishonest argument. How can one have meaningful dialog with garbage like this?

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
Not what I said at all. Try reading without projection and see what you find.

Okay, good. So then you are saying that Islamic violence should not be excused and that it is not the fault of the people who point out the violence!?!?

Great, we seem to be in agreement on this unless you weasel things a bit.

Alz said:
Okay, good. So then you are saying that Islamic violence should not be excused and that it is not the fault of the people who point out the violence!?!?

Great, we seem to be in agreement on this unless you weasel things a bit.

Just couldn’t help yourself, could you. :)

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
Just couldn’t help yourself, could you. :)

Which is it for clarify? If it’s not what I said before and it’s not “So then you are saying that Islamic violence should not be excused and that it is not the fault of the people who point out the violence!”, then what is it?

Put your smart hat on. You said “And Muslim extremism being fueled by anti-Muslim bigotry.”

Should the Islamic violence be excused?
Is it the fault of the people who point out the violence?

Alz said:
Which is it for clarify? If it’s not what I said before and it’s not “So then you are saying that Islamic violence should not be excused and that it is not the fault of the people who point out the violence!”, then what is it?

Put your smart hat on. You said “And Muslim extremism being fueled by anti-Muslim bigotry.”

Should the Islamic violence be excused?
Is it the fault of the people who point out the violence?

I was commenting on this remark “Great, we seem to be in agreement on this unless you weasel things a bit.” when I said that you just couldn’t help yourself (with a friendly smile I might add). You seem to have trouble having a conversation without personal remarks that are condescending including this post. with your “Put your smart hat on” remark. No violence/calls for violence should be excused. But they should be examined without prejudice to seek out solutions.

Shorter Paleoconservative: Blah, blah, blah. Collective guilt for all 1.5 billion of yous Mohammedids. I really don’t care that most of you would have no way to rebuke the horrible people who“ve hijacked your faith. I mean, sure, it would get you killed and all. Softies.

Anyway, you look guitly.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
But they should be examined without prejudice to seek out solutions.

Great, here is a place to start:http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ And a tiny few of the examples:

2011.04.01 (Mazar-e Sharif, Afghanistan) – Eight UN workers are among a dozen people beheaded or shot to death by a mob enraged over a Quran burning in Florida.
2011.04.01 (Dara Adam Khel, Pakistan) – A suicide bomber takes out a 12-year-old boy at a market.
2011.03.31 (Mosul, Iraq) – A 13-year-old boy is beheaded by Islamic extremists.
2011.03.31 (Abu Ghraib, Iraq) – Sunni militants toss a grenade into a home, killing an elderly man.
2011.03.31 (Charsadda, Pakistan) – A Holy Warrior detonates in a crowd of people, sending at least twelve souls to Allah.

The whole list is scary, just scary.

Lot of those folks killed in those links? Musllims.

Alz said:
Great, here is a place to start:http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ And a tiny few of the examples:

2011.04.01 (Mazar-e Sharif, Afghanistan) – Eight UN workers are among a dozen people beheaded or shot to death by a mob enraged over a Quran burning in Florida.
2011.04.01 (Dara Adam Khel, Pakistan) – A suicide bomber takes out a 12-year-old boy at a market.
2011.03.31 (Mosul, Iraq) – A 13-year-old boy is beheaded by Islamic extremists.
2011.03.31 (Abu Ghraib, Iraq) – Sunni militants toss a grenade into a home, killing an elderly man.
2011.03.31 (Charsadda, Pakistan) – A Holy Warrior detonates in a crowd of people, sending at least twelve souls to Allah.

The whole list is scary, just scary.

Are you pro or anti Death Penalty? Because we share that distinction with mostly Muslim and communist countries … and pretty much no one else . Do you like being in that club? Does being in this exclusive club mean we support Muslim extremists and Communism?

gordonbloyershow said:
You are correct. That is why Bush was not lying about Iraq. When someone says ObamaCare will not increase the deficit, they are LYING. When someone says that says that cutting funds from Public Television will end Sesame Street, they are LYING.When someone says that the republican cuts are draconian or extreme, they are LYING. When someone says that they know that humans are causing climate change, they are LYING.When someone says that public employees have a RIGHT to collective bargaining, they are LYING.Zakaria believes and promotes ALL those lies. Zakaria is a LIAR.

You need to go to all of the non-partison fact checking sites. Even Wikipedia. Seriously….no, world nut daily is not one of them

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
Are you pro or anti Death Penalty? Because we share that distinction with mostly Muslim and communist countries … and pretty much no one else . Do you like being in that club? Does being in this exclusive club mean we support Muslim extremists and Communism?

Why would it mean that we “support Muslim extremists and Communism?” Are you a single issue voter?

Alz said:
Why would it mean that we “support Muslim extremists and Communism?” Are you a single issue voter?

It’s an example of painting an entire group of people with the same broad brush. And also finding all in the group as equally guilty and culpable simply because they share a common group. Even tho they may be from many different countries reaching across the globe.

But how do you feel about being in fourth place behind China, Iran and North Korea when it comes to the death penalty? Quite a club don’t you think? And what do you think the rest of the civilized world thinks of our being in this club? And the rest on the countries on this list don’t get any better. Do you get the point I am trying to make?

I am not a single issue voter.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
This is a ridiculous and completely dishonest argument. How can one have meaningful dialog with garbage like this?

I’m left with no choice but to post posits, since few of the progressives I’ve debated have anything reasonable to offer as to why they’d rather insist on their political correct mentality as opposed to engaging in honest debate of the extremist Muslim issue. CosmoDan stopped discussing details and disappeared. Catfishjuggling offers facetiousness. You post non-sequiturs about the death penalty instead of condemning referenced acts of terror, just as you earlier used a non-sequitur about your views on hate speech and whether certain leftists engaged in it to deflect from your intonation that righties should just shut up and stop expecting Muslims to tell their terrorists how to behave. Others that pop in and out don’t engage on the issue at hand.

In lieu of any sensible counter argument, the theory that some of you care more about the feelings of those who blow up people than you do for the feelings of the relatives of their victims becomes attractive

catfishjuggling said:
Lot of those folks killed in those links? Musllims.

What do you care? You’re goal here seems to be to stop all this talk about extremism.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
It’s an example of painting an entire group of people with the same broad brush. And also finding all in the group as equally guilty and culpable simply because they share a common group. Even tho they may be from many different countries reaching across the globe.

But how do you feel about being in fourth place behind China, Iran and North Korea when it comes to the death penalty? Quite a club don’t you think? And what do you think the rest of the civilized world thinks of our being in this club? And the rest on the countries on this list don’t get any better. Do you get the point I am trying to make?

I am not a single issue voter.

Bad example.

As for not being a single issue voter, I’ll bet that you pick the “liberal” side on just about every issue.

Paleoconservatarian said:
What do you care? You’re goal here seems to be to stop all this talk about extremism.

As long as you’re typing there will be extremism….

BTW, I also strongly dislike Islamic extremism. I’m just not willing to blame 1.5 billion people for a small sect that takes parts of their books and uses it for their end.

At this point you mention that the violence is the the Koran.

Or maybe you don’t mention it.

You may be out stoning blasphers. Leviticus 24:16

Or, women who aren’t virgins on their weddding night Deuteronomy 22:13-21 (which would include the daughter of the 2008 Republican VP nominee)

Or, anyone worshiping anouther religion Deuteronomy 17:2-5 (which would be against the 1st Ammendment, but seemingly in-line with your views on Muslims)

Maybe, anyone who has touched Mt. Sinai Exodus 19:13

And most importantly, adulters Deuteronomy 22:23-24 (which would include former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich–R, GA)

So just bite me.

catfishjuggling said:
I’m just not willing to blame 1.5 billion people for a small sect that takes parts of their books and uses it for their end.

Your talking points are showing. Never mind actually having to prove your false equivalences, just assume they exists and argue on that basis. Meanwhile, it the real world, a crowd of Afghans just went on a rampage killing seven because someone whispered in their ear they’re not liked by someone in the world. By all means play into those people’s hands.

What a heel you are.

catfishjuggling said:
At this point you mention that the violence is the the Koran.

Prove it or get off the pot.

catfishjuggling said:
So just bite me.

In so short a time, this is about the level I’ve come to expect from you.

Paleoconservatarian said:
Your talking points are showing. blockquote>

Ok…tough guy…what exactly would YOU do to stop it?

Paleoconservatarian said:
because someone whispered in their ear they’re not liked by someone in the world.

Dipshit. YOU don’t like them.

Paleoconservatarian said:
You post non-sequiturs about the death penalty instead of condemning referenced acts of terror

Okay my point was lost on you.

Paleoconservatarian said:
just as you earlier used a non-sequitur about your views on hate speech and whether certain leftists engaged in it to deflect from your intonation that righties should just shut up and stop expecting Muslims to tell their terrorists how to behave.

Oh I was saying that righties should shut up and stop expecting Muslims to tell their terrorists how to behave. Thanks for letting me know what I was saying.

Paleoconservatarian said:
In lieu of any sensible counter argument, the theory that some of you care more about the feelings of those who blow up people than you do for the feelings of the relatives of their victims becomes attractive

That’s quite a Grand Canyon sized leap, and I would have to ask myself were I you, why I find that leap attractive? For myself I could only find it attractive if I felt it was useful in demonizing someone else. Then I’d really have to sit down and have a talk with myself to find out why I would want to do that???

Paleoconservatarian said:
In lieu of any sensible counter argument, the theory that some of you care more about the feelings of those who blow up people than you do for the feelings of the relatives of their victims becomes attractive

No…let me be clear here. I care about the feelings of of the relatives of their victims AND I care about innocent Muslims who AREN’T TERRORISTS who also get killed EITHER by senseless wars OR HORRIBLE Muslims in their country.

I am just not killing to paint every single muslim with a wide brush like you.

Like for example, I hope all Americans have a wonderful evening.

I hope your head explodes.

Alz said:
Bad example.

Please explain in what ways it is a bad example.

Alz said:
As for not being a single issue voter, I’ll bet that you pick the “liberal” side on just about every issue.

I bet I do too … tho I’ve voted for a couple of Independents in the Presidential elections.

catfishjuggling said:
Dipshit. YOU don’t like them.

I don’t like them? Who says? I said I don’t like those who blow people up. And that give them an excuse to butcher seven people?

catfishjuggling said:
I am just not killing to paint every single muslim with a wide brush like you.

You’re words, repeated ad nausium, are not evidence. Prove it or get off the pot.

Unfortunately, you’ll have to wait until tomorrow for a response.

This should speak to all idiot tea baggers and idiot GOPers who are US citizens by accident of birth. Kudos to Fareed Zakaria for putting the low life human garbage Glenn Beck back in his place. Beck is such a total loser and needs to go back to his original calling in life was was a toss up between being a pimp or a bus driver.

Armageddon T Thunderbird said:
This should speak to all idiot tea baggers and idiot GOPers who are US citizens by accident of birth. Kudos to Fareed Zakaria for putting the low life human garbage Glenn Beck back in his place. Beck is such a total loser and needs to go back to his original calling in life was was a toss up between being a pimp or a bus driver.

It’s clear rational comments like this that make me glad to be an American. It makes me proud to be able to read incoherent rants like this and just smile, knowing that good overcomes evil and it is only a matter of time. And yes, even glittering jewels of colossal ignorance like this creep will be protected by the good guys.

Armageddon T Thunderbird said:
This should speak to all idiot tea baggers and idiot GOPers who are US citizens by accident of birth. Kudos to Fareed Zakaria for putting the low life human garbage Glenn Beck back in his place. Beck is such a total loser and needs to go back to his original calling in life was was a toss up between being a pimp or a bus driver.

I, too an an immigrant, but for me, my choice of political party is the one that strives to keep and/or restore America to what it was known for years, rather than the party that wants to “fundamentally change” it.

Armageddon T Thunderbird said:
“This should speak to all idiot tea baggers and idiot GOPers who are US citizens by accident of birth. Kudos to Fareed Zakaria for putting the low life human garbage Glenn Beck back in his place. Beck is such a total loser and needs to go back to his original calling in life was was a toss up between being a pimp or a bus driver.”

Phocus2 says:
“It’s clear rational comments like this that make me glad to be an American. It makes me proud to be able to read incoherent rants like this and just smile, knowing that good overcomes evil”

Tell the world, Phocus2, where in the world someone telling Look at purposeful and conscious lies, while demonstrating — not occasionally and not repeated over one principle — repeatedly and regarding virtually every principle that Look at Beck claims to hold, sheer hypocrisy, is that person good and not evil?

Am I saying Beck is evil? No, but with his purposefully told lies and his frequent demonstrations of hypocrisy, I do believe that Beck portrays something very close to the opposite of good.

I don’t care where Beck or Zakaria were born: Beck is an uneducated, deceitful blowhard and hypocrite where Zakaria is highly educated, sophisticated and an honest host of commentary. From a knowledge perspective, Beck is not even qualified to be on a news station, but then again he’s not. Fox is about propaganda with a thin veneer of journalism to mask its conservative/reactionary agenda.

Truth has no agenda, but Glenn Beck sure as heck does.

Intelligence shines.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
That’s quite a Grand Canyon sized leap, and I would have to ask myself were I you, why I find that leap attractive? For myself I could only find it attractive if I felt it was useful in demonizing someone else. Then I’d really have to sit down and have a talk with myself to find out why I would want to do that???

It’s an attractive theory because cowardice is a strong psychological motivator and the attempt to overly empathize with aggressors can be seen as an appeal to not be injured by them. It would be the Stockholm syndrome of international relations. It’s also a reason for your side’s infuriating ability to turn on conservatives more than those who are about the world conducting terror against our interests and the interests of moderate influences in the Muslim world or fanning the passions of angry, intolerant mobs into murderous rage. Those cowards see conservatives as calling attention to the group.

BTW, your point about the death penalty wasn’t lost on me. It’s just that your point was morally so far afield from equivalency to the topic at hand that it may as well have been a non-sequitur.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
Oh I was saying that righties should shut up and stop expecting Muslims to tell their terrorists how to behave. Thanks for letting me know what I was saying.

I’ve already asked you – twice – to clarify the following statement, as per your desired debating style. You’ve steadfastly refused.

If only the worlds 1.5 billion Muslims would just behave the [way the] right thinks they ought. *sigh*

I am always curious by this term “taking the threat of Muslim extremism seriously.”

What exactly does that mean? Now it could easily be argued that he also takes the threat seiously. He just may have a different solution that you.

So, why question is: what would someone say who takes the threat seriously in your opinion? And more importantly: what do you suppose the over one billion of the world’s Muslim’s, most of who just wake up and go to work without blowing anyone up, do to make you happy?

Or are you more in favor of the collective assigning of guilt?

no i’m not

Collective guilt for all 1.5 billion of yous Mohammedids

your words not mine

I’m just not willing to blame 1.5 billion people

once more, neither am I

At this point you mention that the violence is the the Koran.

I never did – you’re quoting scripture to counter nothing I have said

Dipshit. YOU don’t like them.

I never said that. I’m beginning to sense a pattern here.

I am just not killing to paint every single muslim with a wide brush like you.

like me?

It’s pointless to talk to people like you. Since before I started to engage you in debate, you’ve stuck to a preconceived notion that those who speak against Muslim extremism castigate Islam in it’s entirety and have used it as a key part of your argument.

Armageddon T Thunderbird said:
This should speak to all idiot tea baggers and idiot GOPers who are US citizens by accident of birth. Kudos to Fareed Zakaria for putting the low life human garbage Glenn Beck back in his place. Beck is such a total loser and needs to go back to his original calling in life was was a toss up between being a pimp or a bus driver.

The above poster should have read the following post.

felixw said:
Congrats on joining the new team of liberal birthers. In typical bizarre liberal fashion, Mr. Beck is attacked because his birth certificate shows that he was born in the United States.

Maybe Glenn should refuse to release his birth certificate. Then you (and Mr. Fareed Zakaria) would rush to his defense.

When someone figures out how the liberal mind works, please post here. The rest of us are struggling to discover the logic.

Maybe Beck should offer to have a debate with Mr. Zakaria. I’d pay to see that.

Doesn’t make sense at all faggot