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Jerry Springer: “The Liberals Have Won” And “We Are A Liberal Country”

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by Jon Bershad | 12:30 pm, January 27th, 2011

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Jerry Springer appeared on Howard Stern’s radio show yesterday and the conversation got around to Air America. Stern then asked why liberal talk shows never do as well and Springer had an interesting answer: “Because the Liberals won.”

At first it seemed like Springer meant only in the very current spectrum which would make sense. Shows that adhere to one political ideology always seem to have better periods when the opposition is in power because, well, complaining makes for more compelling entertainment. While it obviously didn’t happened, there was definitely some concern that a show like The Daily Show, which does go after both sides but could never be mistaken for a “Conservative” show, would fail once George W. Bush was out of office.

However, it soon became clear that Springer was talking in much broader strokes:

“It doesn’t matter who’s president because the Liberals won. In the 1960s, all the protest was on the Left because America was conservative. We have conservative politicians, we give conservative speeches, but on every major issue the liberals have won. We are a liberal country. You can go into the most conservative neighborhood in America and, you go into their home, talk to their kids, and their kids listen to the same music, talk the same way, dress the same way. Culturally we’re liberal.”

Springer went on to point out how he did a show years ago about interracial marriage that was picketed and protested and that, now, we have an interracial president.

There are a couple of interesting points here. Obviously Stern’s original question always makes for good conversation but the idea that Liberals have “won” is an intriguing idea. However, I think Springer’s looking too broadly on this.

Liberals will always seem to come out on top on some issues because some change is simply inevitable. Just like the eventual acceptance of interracial marriage could have been predicted when Springer did that protested show, Liberals will also eventually be on the victorious side of the gay marriage issue (feel free to bet against it but you will lose your money). Change happens. It always will. The party that advocates progressive change will always win out some of the time so, if you cherry pick cultural things like that, then, yes, it will look like the Liberals have won.

However, if you were to travel back in time and talk to 60s progressives that Springer mentions, I’m sure they wouldn’t consider today’s society a 100% win. Obviously their minds would be blown when you mention a black president and female contenders, but how would they feel when you explained that they’d grow up and elect Ronald Reagan?

Still, an interesting idea from Springer who, of course, was a Democratic politician before he was the host of a show that proved that some people will never ceased to be amazed their spouse is cheating on them even after being invited on The Jerry Springer Show. While some progress is inevitable, some things never change.

Check out the audio from SiriusXM below:

(h/t Sharp Elbows via The Blaze)

Air America, Howard Stern, Jerry Springer

http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

Explain the reversal on abortion?
writer

Yaayyyyyyy!
writer

Jerry! Jerry!
errxn

If you do things like, oh, I dunno, completely ignore the easily quantifiable results of this past November, then yes, clearly, the liberals have won. Also, if you can count yourself among the obvious Mensa candidates that have either appeared on or become a frequent viewer of Springer’s enlightening television shows, then you probably believe that the liberals have won.
The Lantern of Truth

RRKING loves Jerry ! Most of my relatives have been on the show . Armando and I have tried out many times , but we are dismissed as being too strange for the Springer audience . I blame Armwood ‘ s rudeness myself .
http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

As Desi would say, Splain this?

GOP Image Net-Positive for First Time Since 2005

by Jeffrey M. Jones
PRINCETON, NJ — Americans’ opinions of the Republican Party have improved to the point where now more have a favorable than unfavorable opinion of the party. The last time more Americans viewed the GOP more positively than negatively was in 2005.
More Americans have a favorable (47%) than unfavorable (43%) opinion of the Republican Party for the first time since 2005. Meanwhile, the Democratic Party’s image is about equally positive (46%) and negative (47%), but is improved from last year.

These results are based on a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted Jan. 14-16.

Americans’ current 46% favorable and 47% unfavorable rating of the Democratic Party is among the worst for Democrats since 1992, but is an improvement from last year.
mardec

This is too funny! Springer either lives on another planet and doesn’t get the news, or he deliberately closes his eyes, put his hands over his ears, and bleats out la-la-la-la-la all day long so he doesn’t have to face the fact that in most polls, the citizens of the US claim to be 43% conservative and only 20% liberal and the rest don’t know. How anyone, except possibly those who appear on his shows, could take this man seriously is unimaginable.

LOL!!!
ganymede

If I had to choose between Jerrry Springer and Glenn Beck as harbingers of the future, I would put my money on Springer despite his awful program. Both are crass opportunists, but Beck is probably certifiable and Springer has always been simply a liberal Democrat who has a knack at exploiting the problems of foolish people – it’s all pretty harmless fun. The bottom line is that the right is by definition reactionary and the current crop of RW’s, if given a serious chance to run this country would do an even worse job than Bush II, if that’s possible. Your policies aren’t workable and your ideology is unrealistic. America can’t keep fighting against progress and it looks like we’re rejoining the leftward trend of the majority of advanced countries. My advice to RW’s is to get with the program. You have very little choice unless you want to take your guns and go to the hills.
writer

They’re working on a new sitcom, where Jerry busts a chair over Obama’s head, and the Secret Service shoots him.
http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

writer said:
They’re working on a new sitcom, where Jerry busts a chair over Obama’s head, and the Secret Service shoots him.

Which one do they shoot?
writer

Spoiler alert. It was just a dream. Barry wakes up to find Jerry in the shower.
Bad Wolf

Jerry is right about the liberals winning. As the author says, “You cannot stop change/progress.”
It is change that scares folks known as “conservative.” They want stability, predictability and security.
They want time to stand still for them. It isn’t going to happen. Progress is inexorable.

You can always spot a loser. They are the ones doing all the shouting and whining.
Bad Wolf

Re: GBS
Americans’ current 46% favorable and 47% unfavorable rating of the Democratic Party is among the worst for Democrats since 1992, but is an improvement from last year.

Comment:
The discussion is about long term societal trends, not party affiliation.
Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window)

I’d rather have Palin and Bachmann speaking for me than Jerry Springer.
writer

Tormentor? The King is swiping your names as quickly as you can change them. We always knew he was obsessed with you, but wow!
Alz

It’s amazing about the amount of delusion on the Left. The Democrats lost something like 400 YEARS of Congressional experience and over 700 seats at the State level. Many governorships are now in Republican hands.
Obeezy

Maybe they can interview Sally jessy Or Ricki Lake…Who gives a flying frick what Springer or Stern have to say…
PBerg

Gordon blowhard——????huh, what reversal of Abortion?

The Polls Speak: Americans Support Abortion

by Celinda Lake

Despite what anti-abortion activists and politicians would have you believe, the majority of Americans continue to support a woman’s right to a legal abortion — as they have done consistently for the past 15 years. Polls show that those who strive to abolish a woman’s right to the full range of family-planning services are fundamentally out of step with American opinion. Here’s a sampling:

Voters self-identify as “pro-choice” over “pro-life” by a double-digit margin.
In 2004, 52 percent of voters identified themselves as pro-choice, 41 percent pro-life, according to Gallup Poll trend data. Although the margins have fluctuated slightly, the pro-choice position has remained dominant since 1996, and in the past four years there has been very little change in public opinion.

Americans strongly wish to keep abortion legal.
A recent ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 56 percent of respondents nationwide favored keeping abortion legal in all or most cases. The survey of 1,082 adults, conducted in April 2005, showed that only 14 percent of those surveyed wanted to keep abortion illegal in all cases, with another 27 percent wanting most cases to be illegal.

Voters don’t want the government and politicians involved in their choice about abortion. In a recent survey by The Mellman Group, 62 percent of respondents felt the government should not interfere with a woman’s access to abortion. Only 33 percent believe the government should restrict access.
PBerg

You’re right, Jerry—–REAL conservatives can not stand today’s Republican Party.

“If Nixon, Eisenhower and Reagan were all alive today, they would all join the Democratic Party.
During their administrations, all 3 of these Presidents were left leaning:

Eisenhower—
-enlarged the SS program, extending benefits to additional 10 Million workers
-initiated anti-ballistic missiles with Russia, allowing them to overtake the US
-worked to make Brown v BOE , anti segregation of school, a Must for rest of country

Nixon-
-was prochoice, got Roe v Wade passed
-called for wage and price controls
-’73 helped open diplomatic relations with china
-Decreased defense spending from 9.1% to 5.8% of GDP
-put in Supplemental SS for low income
-offered a budge with deficit spending to reduce unemployment
-eradicated Gold standard
-Said that Racism was greatest moral failure of this country

Reagan:

Was a Dove, would never have dropped a bomb or started a war
Proposed a treaty for Amnesty, and then installed Amnesty for illegals in 1986
-Called on disarmament of US Nukes and
WMDs and called on Gorbechev to join
-was PRO-Iraq, outfitting Hussein with money and weapons
-appointed Sandra Day O’connor to SCOTUS, an unbending pragmatist who postponed the Conservative revolution in Constitutional law for a generation.
notsofast

Spin it, Jerry, spin it!

When asked about the Four Seasons Restaurant, Jerry said ” No one goes there anymore because it’s too crowded.”
notsofast

PBerg said:
-was prochoice, got Roe v Wade passed

LOL

It was never passed, son!

OMG!
PBerg

Politicians Lie, Numbers Don’t
And the numbers show that Democrats are better for the economy than Republicans.
If you’re wondering why a formerly honorable man like John McCain would build his presidential campaign around issues that are simultaneously beside-the-point, trivial, and dishonest (sex education for kindergartners, lipstick on pigs), the numbers presented here may help to solve that mystery. Since the conventions ended, McCain has mired the presidential race in dishonest trivia because he doesn’t want it to focus on what voters say is the most important issue this year: the economy.

There is no secret about any of this. The figures below are all from the annual Economic Report of the President, and the analysis is primitive. Nevertheless, what these numbers show almost beyond doubt is that Democrats are better at virtually every economic task that is important to Republicans.

In other words, there are no figures here about income inequality, or percentage of the population with health insurance, or anything like that. This exercise implicitly assumes that lower taxes are always good and higher government spending is always bad. There is nothing here about how clean the air is or how many children are growing up in poverty. The only point is that if you find the Republican mantra of lower taxes and smaller government appealing, and if you care only about how fast the economy is growing, not how that growth is shared, you should vote Democratic. Of course, if you do care about things like economic inequality and children’s health, you should vote Democratic as well.

http://www.slate.com/id/2199810/
notsofast

PBerg said:
Politicians Lie, Numbers Don’t
And the numbers show that Democrats are better for the economy than Republicans.

You are correct that numbers don’t lie.
CBO: U.S. budget deficit to hit $1.5 trillion
Projections also show Social Security running permanent annual deficits ”

A continuing weak economy and last month’s bipartisan tax cut legislation will drive the government’s deficit to a record $1.5 trillion this year, a new government estimates predicts.

The eye-popping numbers mean the government will continue to borrow 40 cents for every dollar it spends.

The new Congressional Budget Office estimates will add fuel to a raging debate over cutting spending and looming legislation that’s required to allow the government to borrow more money as the national debt nears the $14.3 trillion cap set by law.
Davo

And here is Mediaite topping their previous Parade Of Clowns by adding none other than Jer-REE, Jer-REE. And to think, I believed the “credibility” factor here was already at the limit.

Alz said:
It’s amazing about the amount of delusion on the Left. The Democrats lost something like 400 YEARS of Congressional experience and over 700 seats at the State level. Many governorships are now in Republican hands.

I’ve tried to tell you, Alz, Liberals can’t associate results as having any relevance.
Alz

Dave Noland said:
Blah Blah Blah… If you turn off fox things become clearer

Your response is a perfect example of what I’m talking about. You guys lost BIG and you are deluding yourselves. This Modern Liberalism is sort of like alcoholism with all of the denial and such.
dummy123

Jon…when is Mediaite going to do the story about the Howard Stern show goons targeting and attacking Dr. Laura Schlessinger’s radio show??
I can’t even type the things the callers said to her on her show. The mediaite filter will not let me.

Isn’t that news worthy??
The poor woman was nearly crying on the air 2 days ago.

Hang in there the stern goons get very personal and very vicious.
http://soundcloud.com/mp3user/102-01252011#play=undefined
DaTruth

Being “culturally liberal” is far from being “economically liberal”. If liberals “win” in the economic sense, we’re all screwed. We will have become Greece. There will be far too many people working in the public sector for the private sector to support. There won’t be enough “rich” people to bail out the public sector. Entitlement programs will be unsustainable because collectively no one can afford to pay for them.

God help us all if that ever happens, because it will be over; game…set…match.
Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window)

writer says:
Tormentor? The King is swiping your names as quickly as you can change them. We always knew he was obsessed with you, but wow!

I know and it’s so obvious it’s him since he is conspicuously missing today. His obsession with me is creepy, yet flattering.
http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

PBerg said:
Gordon blowhard——????huh, what reversal of Abortion? The Polls Speak: Americans Support Abortion by Celinda Lake Despite what anti-abortion activists and politicians would have you believe, the majority of Americans continue to support a woman’s right to a legal abortion — as they have done consistently for the past 15 years. Polls show that those who strive to abolish a woman’s right to the full range of family-planning services are fundamentally out of step with American opinion. Here’s a sampling: Voters self-identify as “pro-choice” over “pro-life” by a double-digit margin.In 2004, 52 percent of voters identified themselves as pro-choice, 41 percent pro-life, according to Gallup Poll trend data. Although the margins have fluctuated slightly, the pro-choice position has remained dominant since 1996, and in the past four years there has been very little change in public opinion. Americans strongly wish to keep abortion legal.A recent ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 56 percent of respondents nationwide favored keeping abortion legal in all or most cases. The survey of 1,082 adults, conducted in April 2005, showed that only 14 percent of those surveyed wanted to keep abortion illegal in all cases, with another 27 percent wanting most cases to be illegal. Voters don’t want the government and politicians involved in their choice about abortion. In a recent survey by The Mellman Group, 62 percent of respondents felt the government should not interfere with a woman’s access to abortion. Only 33 percent believe the government should restrict access.

Latest poll 51% pro-life, 41% kill babies.
Arkansas Steve

Congratulations Jerry Springer:
You are now officially rated as having an equivalent intelligence level as MOST of the guests on your show.
SpineCrusher

He’s got a good point, it’s over because the conservatives are dinosaurs…old, aging rapidly and about to become extinct.

It might take another couple of decades until they die out, but the culture wars are over. That’s all Springer was referring to. American’s do not want to “bankrupt the country” or whatever other ridiculous social/political canard is being used for the next election cycle by conservatives. That’s why they continue to use them, because their ideas and values are old, washed-up and ready for the daisy patch.
writer

Sarah Palin: born in 1964

Jerry Springer: born in 1944
SpineCrusher

Just turn to your kids, conservatives…not that they’ll admit it to you for fear of being ex-communicated, but they like the clothes, the tattoos and the music that your generation tried to extinguish as “the work of the devil”.

They could care less about gay marriage and having a black president. In fact, I’m sure many of them are inspired by Obama’s story. It’s the same story you told them to follow to become great, you just never thought a man with any other color than white skin would actually make it happen and now you’re enfuriated.

And don’t even get started on Marijuana…hahaha!!! “The Devil’s weed”…again and again you have only proven yourselves to be alarmist, conspiracy-theory laden, majority white, culturally ignorant and politically/economically disasterous.

but you’ve all changed now, right? The Bush years are over, we would never “spend like democrats” again…but that goes against the very definition of what conservative means, which is a political and social philosophy that promotes the maintenance of traditional institutions and supports, at the most, minimal and gradual change in society.

T-minus complete and total irrelevance….2 years and counting…maybe 4.
writer

Joe Biden: born in 1942
SpineCrusher

writer said:
Sarah Palin: born in 1964 Jerry Springer: born in 1944

ah yes, you are attempting to disprove what you already know to be true by playing the canard that the children of conservatives all believe the same values as your Queen of Canards, Sarah Palin.

Let’s see what happens in 2012….looking out my window at the future, and it doesn’t include the aging, dying conservatives making any noble changes to our society…just continually saying “no!” to the future and wishing it was the 50′s forever.

Wake up Van Winkle! It’s 2010!
SpineCrusher

writer said:
Joe Biden: born in 1942

oh yea!! I forgot he was a Tea Party guy. Good one!
writer

Just another of those liberal young turks you’re talking about.
writer

SC, aren’t there any old liberals dying. Or do they just fade away?
The Real Royal Queen

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
I know and it’s so obvious it’s him since he is conspicuously missing today. His obsession with me is creepy, yet flattering.

Yes, I’m wondering where he is as well…maybe out with armwood at a strip club?
His obsession with you helps KingyPoo..umm..err.. perform. You should be flattered, he only chooses the best. I just wish he wouldn’t call me Michelle.
Sean68

America is starting to resemble a Jerry Springer Show audience. Oh well, so long as Jerry lives well and safe and away from all that he and his ilk have wrought.
writer

Queen, no one knows how you’ve suffered. Just hope you can hold up as well as Sarah Palin or Megyn Kelly. According to Spine Crusher, they’re in their nineties.
TCinAZ

Yeah, SC. You Do seem to have overlood Arianna, and Aris Anagnos (who are My personal favorites), as well as Ayers, and Zbig, and Churchill, and Chomsky, and Dorhn, and Moyers, and Piven, and Stern, and Soros, who, btw, ain’t getting any younger, and who are gonna have themselves some really funky Weather, WAY Underground.
writer

Megyn Kelly is REALLY looking good for her age.
SpineCrusher

TCinAZ said:
Yeah, SC. You Do seem to have overlood Arianna, and Aris Anagnos (who are My personal favorites), as well as Ayers, and Zbig, and Churchill, and Chomsky, and Dorhn, and Moyers, and Piven, and Stern, and Soros, who, btw, ain’t getting any younger, and who are gonna have themselves some really funky Weather, WAY Underground.

Not sure what overlood means, but I’ll just skip to the rest of the media darlings…since those are the only individuals any of you seem to care about….but last time I checked, they only get 1 vote apiece…Did something change?

Anyway, the media darlings you’ve mentioned are not well known by the youth of today, and they could care less honestly. Your demi-gods and conservative shower-nozzle material won’t effect how they vote.

So cling to your revisions of the english language and carry on with your vitriol. Soon enough you will be forgotten and all that will be left are your frantic electronic posts. So when the youth of today become the historians of tommorrow they can look back at the last dying days of conservatism in America and wonder why they were so busy attacking their fellow Americans instead of helping the youth keep America focused on how to compete with the rest of the world.

But I guess none of that matters to you, since you’ll already be dead and can say…things were good in MY day.

Honestly, the lack of healthy, honest debate amongst your ilk doesn’t leave us wondering what went wrong…at all. We just know that we’ll have to pick up the pieces and get things done right once you’ve faded into oblivion.
writer

So if youth is the only determinant of being liberal or conservative, you’re saying that all of today’s youth will be conservative when they get old enough.
SpineCrusher

writer said:
So if youth is the only determinant of being liberal or conservative, you’re saying that all of today’s youth will be conservative when they get old enough.

Please quote where I made that statement. I fear you are projecting to make a dishonest point.
BigLeagues

” . . .how would they feel when you explained that they’d grow up and elect Ronald Reagan?”

Depending on how you determine these things, most would agree there were 3 Presidents who stood out above everyone else when the dust of the 20th Century settled . . . FDR, DDE and RWR . . . cast the rhetoric and political biases aside and Reagan put into place policies that ultimately drew a close to the most dangerous war America (and the World) ever faced – without the need to engage in a physical confrontation.

No President is perfect. No Administration is perfect. Certainly there are valid criticisms of Reagan.

But in this knee jerk, partisan-centric environment we have been engaged in the last 20 years, Democrats seem to conveniently forget the 1984 election when Reagan won 49 of the 50 States – coming within 3800 votes of winning Mondale’s home state of Minnesota. Reagan took home 538 Electoral Votes – which still stands as the record today.
writer

“So when the youth of today become the historians of tomorrow they can look back at the last dying days of conservatism…..”

SC, sure sounds like you’re saying that there are no young conservatives. I know teenagers who are conservative. Didn’t know there was an age restriction on it.
Kat

SpineCrusher said:
Just turn to your kids, conservatives…not that they’ll admit it to you for fear of being ex-communicated, but they like the clothes, the tattoos and the music that your generation tried to extinguish as “the work of the devil”.

SpineCrusher said:
ah yes, you are attempting to disprove what you already know to be true by playing the canard that the children of conservatives all believe the same values as your Queen of Canards, Sarah Palin.

I would like to add that I believe what you say was proven in 2008. The young came out in droves and voted for Mr. Obama. Even if they all didn’t openly admit it to their conservative parents.
writer

Aren’t all those hippies who were at Woodstock old now? Still not getting this age to politics connection.
bitterclinger

Someone should wake Jerry up,he must be dreaming. America has and always will be a CENTER-RIGHT country. Liberals need to deal with that fact and stop crying about how conservative’s are kicking their butt on the radio. I mean,come on…. isn’t having control of the media enough?? You guys get away with so much crap,it is unreal.
writer

Kids tend to rebel against their parents. So when today’s liberal youth are parents, won’t their kids become conservative to spite them?
Biscuit

bitterclinger says:
January 27, 2011 at 6:08 pm bitterclinger(Quote)
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Someone should wake Jerry up,he must be dreaming. America has and always will be a CENTER-RIGHT country. Liberals need to deal with that fact and stop crying about how conservative’s are kicking their butt on the radio. I mean,come on…. isn’t having control of the media enough?? You guys get away with so much crap,it is unreal.

It’s “conservatives”…and if you think the media is liberal, you must be a particularly delusional right-wing nut.
SpineCrusher

BigLeagues said:
” . . .how would they feel when you explained that they’d grow up and elect Ronald Reagan?” Depending on how you determine these things, most would agree there were 3 Presidents who stood out above everyone else when the dust of the 20th Century settled . . . FDR, DDE and RWR . . . cast the rhetoric and political biases aside and Reagan put into place policies that ultimately drew a close to the most dangerous war America (and the World) ever faced – without the need to engage in a physical confrontation. No President is perfect. No Administration is perfect. Certainly there are valid criticisms of Reagan. But in this knee jerk, partisan-centric environment we have been engaged in the last 20 years, Democrats seem to conveniently forget the 1984 election when Reagan won 49 of the 50 States – coming within 3800 votes of winning Mondale’s home state of Minnesota. Reagan took home 538 Electoral Votes – which still stands as the record today.

since you’d like to point out his legacy, let us not forget the following scandals under his watch:

- Department of Housing and Urban Development grant rigging

- Savings and Loan crisis

- Inslaw Affair – a protracted legal case that alleged that top-level officials of President Ronald Reagan’s (R) Department of Justice were involved in software piracy of the Promis program from Inslaw Inc. forcing it into bankruptcy and then failed to appoint an independent counsel to investigate it.

D. Lowell Jensen, Deputy Attorney General was held in Contempt of Congress.

C. Madison Brewer A high ranking Justice Department official was held in Contempt of Congress.

- Lobbying Scandal
Michael Deaver, Reagan’s Chief of Staff, was convicted of lying to both a congressional committee and to a federal grand jury about his lobbying activities after he left the government. He received three years probation and was fined $100,000 after being convicted for lying to a congressional subcommittee.

Lyn Nofziger Reagan’s Press Secretary was convicted on charges of illegal lobbying after leaving government service in Wedtech scandal. His conviction was later overturned.

- Iran/Contra scandal (that was a doozy that conservatives would rather forget!) which included:

Caspar Weinberger Secretary of Defense was pardoned before trial by George H. W. Bush

Elliott Abrams agreed to cooperate with investigators and in return was allowed to plead guilty to two misdemeanor charges instead of facing possible felony indictments. He was sentenced to two years probation and one hundred hours of community service. He was pardoned by George H. W. Bush on December 24, 1992 along with five other former Reagan Administration officials who had been implicated in connection with Iran-Contra.

National Security Advisor Robert C. McFarlane, pleaded guilty to four misdemeanors and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service and was ordered to pay a $20,000 fine. He was pardoned by Bush.

Alan D. Fiers was the Chief of the Central Intelligence Agency’s Central American Task Force. He pleaded guilty in 1991 to two counts of withholding information from Congress and was sentenced to one year of probation and one hundred hours of community service. He was pardoned by Bush.

Richard R. Miller – Partner with Oliver North in IBC, an Office of Public Diplomacy front group, convicted of conspiracy to defraud the United States.

Clair George was Chief of the Central Intelligence Agency’s Division of Covert Operations under President Reagan. George was convicted of lying to two congressional committees in 1986. He was pardoned by Bush.

Richard Secord was indicted on nine felony counts of lying to Congress and pleaded guilty to a felony charge of lying to Congress.

Thomas G. Clines was convicted of four counts of tax-related offenses for failing to report income from the Iran/Contra operations.

Carl R. Channel – Office of Public Diplomacy, partner in International Business- first person convicted in the Iran/Contra scandal, pleaded guilty of one count of defrauding the United States

John Poindexter, Reagan’s national security advisor, was found guilty of five criminal accounts including lying to Congress, conspiracy and obstruction of justice. His conviction was later overturned on grounds that he did not receive a fair trial (the prosecution may have been influenced by his immunized testimony in front of Congress.)

Oliver North was indicted on sixteen charges in the Iran/Contra affair and found guilty of three – aiding and abetting obstruction of Congress, shredding or altering official documents and accepting a gratuity. His convictions were later overturned on the grounds that his immunized testimony had tainted his trial.

Duane R. Clarridge (R) pardoned before trial by President George H. W. Bush

Albert Hakim pleaded guilty to supplementing the salary of North

Joseph F. Fernandez indicted on four counts of obstruction and false statements; case dismissed when Attorney General Richard L. Thornburgh refused to declassify information needed for his defense

I would like to point out that if any scandal anywhere near the size and scope of the Iran/Conta were to take place under Obama….the conservative/Tea Party movement of today would be raising their guns to the sky and looking for blood.

So before you pray to the alter of RWR, make sure you know your history.
BigLeagues

SpineCrusher said:
since you’d like to point out his legacy, let us not forget the following scandals under his watch:

So before you pray to the alter of RWR, make sure you know your history.

Perhaps you should re-read my original post . . . this time just remember to tie that down to your chair before you do.

OH, and I don’t pray at anyone’s altar (there’s a difference between alter and altar, btw). I’m a Libertarian with some Progressive (Green Party influenced) leanings.

I also don’t engage in left and right cock-fights as you seem to so enjoy.

Lastly I don’t cut and paste other peoples work (uncredited, no less) instead I use my own mind to make my points. You should give that a try some time.
BigLeagues

That should have been: “just remember to tie that LEG down to your chair before you do.”
http://www.zazzle.com/talkingpoints NORBIT Jr.

Jerry, Air America failed because the public got more than enough of their viewpoint through the Mainstream Media!

FOX, talk radio and conservative blogs excel for the same reason.

Jer, stop trying to speak with the adults, and go back to what you know best, debauchery-ladened incestuous neanderthals.
tigerprez

Yes, but what does Maury Povich say?
LeviCoult

This guy’s a goddamn genius… I never even looked at it that way…
X-3

Every time the liberals win America loses.
Grammie

SpineCrusher said:
Anyway, the media darlings you’ve mentioned are not well known by the youth of today, and they could care less honestly. Your demi-gods and conservative shower-nozzle material won’t effect how they vote.

.
Tell me that this is your pathetic attempt at satire, please.
Paleoconservatarian

Except Air America was never a successful organization and it’s end of operations was long predicted. Springer’s just trying to spin a good vibe in friendly territory, but the reality is that there are now two self-identified conservatives for every one liberal and conservative and libertarian voices abound where there were none before.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Vallazza/100000651150139 Alan Vallazza

By this logic then if Liberals won then that is why Conservatives are protesting so America is rebelling against Liberalism and Not Bush, Palin, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives or Moderates and Independents. No. It is the democrats in power who are ranting about everyone else.
dhg

Why does anyone care what Jerry Springer thinks?Are you kidding me?I wouldn’t take him seriously no matter what he said.And to Howard Stern…really?A 57 year old creepy old guy?That’s all he really is right?A 57 year old guy who thinks he can do stuff a 20 year old would do.

Come on this is even more irrelevent than Olbermann.

And for those who seem to think this thread is about listing political wrongs,find me a politician that doesn’t have a whole long list of things they did that suck balls,there aren’t any,especially who ever touched the oval office.

And yeah,this country isn’t “liberal” and the last election proved it.
TCinAZ

SpineCrushersaid:
Honestly, the lack of healthy, honest debate amongst your ilk doesn’t leave us wondering what went wrong…at all. We just know that we’ll have to pick up the pieces and get things done right once you’ve faded into oblivion.

A healthy, honest debate with You guys? Lol!

How about you know-it-alls just observe and Learn for a change? Because while I am just 45-years-old and I was Born and Raised American (65′) in Chicago, the cumulative number of months that I’ve spent (just) in Greece, never mind in Italy (etc.), through both every calender (and political) season in my more than a dozen trips there since 1970, has equated to my having spent Years there. So You and Your ilk “could” kinda-sorta Could say that I knew who Barack Obama and His “Progressive” Obamabots were before even They knew who the hell they were.

And here’s Why. Dateline 1987: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHxNeycuGHo

Now “Θα”, means “If elected ( I Shall!) and/or ( I Will!) do For Greece..!” Ok. But do What?

Uh…See YES WE CAN! Because “Θα” is much like “Εάν” in Greek…Meaning that IF Granny had been born w/a pair ….she would’ve been Grandpa instead. So, it’s YES WE CAN! And now, it’s on to the audio and captions.

1. @ :04 “Carpe Diem Big Guy!” …From a useful idiot in the throng of his Useful Idiot Andybots.

2. @ :23 “Τα Λεφτά υπάρχουν ”

…Medicaid, Medicare and SS are Solvent Dammit!! So Let’s Spend SomeMore!

3. @ :33 “Θα επανιδρίσω το κράτος = I Will Re-establish The State”

….Smells like The Remaking of America to Me.

4. @ :42: “Θα εξαφανίσω το έλλειμαι σε ενα χρόνο = I Will Reduce The Deficit In One Year”

…See our ever-so Stimulatin’ Stimulus Package brought to us by Bam-Bam’s Omnibus that so many of his peeps have been thrown under. Oh, and of course, there’s Obamacare too.

5. @ :54: “θα πατάξω την διαφθορα = I will discipline the corrupt/rid us of corruption”

…Stay tuned for More Live transparent HopeyChange telecasts from the βουλί on G(reek)-SPAN. ; )

5. @ 1:03 “θα’ γίνουμε Δανιά του Νότου = We will become the Denmark of Southern Europe”

… “I believe in American Exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the (AHEM!) Greeks believe in…”

6. @ 1:10 “You OWN em’ Big Guy (Their Ears)!” Love the Irony in That one! LOL!

Finally, if it Walks like one and Talks like one….it’s a *&%#@ Socialist! Especially since along w/Pappy Sr.’s Also having been Ivy League-educated Sooper-Dooper public speaker, he Too became the Leader of PASOK, or a kind of Panhelleniky SOCIALIST (Bowel) Movement/Party in 74′, when (Surprise!), we happened to be in Greece.

Then ffwd to (trip number six, in) 81′, and Andy Sr. has just been elected Greece’s first Socialist PM, kinda like Our having elected a first Socialist POTUS in 2008. Oh joy. been there. done that and it’s deja ‘View’ all over again. yipee.

Oh, and Btw, the comedian/impersonator who did that bit – in 87′? Well he’s a Cherry Red Commie and that was his best impression of Papandreou Sr. as he was campaigning for PM of Greece, seven years prior.

“Left? Leftism? Socialism? Red beads? What of those? Now that the beginning of the fall of capitalism is clear and obvious, the left is not leftism, neither socialism nor red beads. The left ideology is the only hope mankind has got…”

http://www.harry-klynn.gr/klynnenglish/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=42&Itemid=65

“Is there something in your childhood that has left a mark and why?”

Aww. How sad for you, Harry. Yup. Ole’ Harry was and still IS one Angry Commie who’s Pissed at Andy Sr. for his having put so Many (or not Enough) Billions of drachs into.. wait for it.. the “wrong” social welfare and social justice programs. Never mind the old man’s have looted the treasury to make himself and his pals some Looong drachs too.

So I got to witness the Worst PM in the history of the land of my origin ‘in the making’. Or, from age 10, all the way up through age 24, which is just Part of why Greece is in the shape she’s in today. Ergo, SC, the so-called extreme radical left youth that you “think” you’ve co-opted, and that you think you “own” here now, are not Only gonna be tomorrow’s RINO yuppie Hypocrites that I grew Up with in Breakfast Club IL (Post-74′), who flipped because they Wanted Their piece of the American Dream, but those riots that you’re seeing in Greece aren’t gonna happen for your “team” here either, because our adolescents want that dream too. They just don’t Know it yet. Whatsmore, they also won’t happen Here because “We The People” are Armed. And you know who’s armed in Greece, SC? The Vory V, the Albanian mob, the Greek Military and their Cops. Don’t believe me?

Ask him. Alexis Grigoropoulos Rich Boy from the burbs’ wants to play Che-for-a-day in da’ Athenian hood’, huh? Ok. lol.

Or, in short, I’ve Been a Reagan-Conservative since age 15, while “Molly” and the rest may Talk a good a game, but they’re Soft. You see, they’d Want to “Redistribute the Wealth” by any means necessary, and they’d Liked to, but they don’t Need to right now. So what they Need to do, is to Live Well. But I Don’t need to. In fact, I don’t to Need to because I/We didn’t live too well before 80′, and everything that we’re now “living well” With, we’ve All worked our Asses off for to Earn and to Keep. I mean, why do you think I’m Here so Often. So, Molon Labe, Ladies. : )

Oh, and one last thing, SC. Had the original Tea Party candidate for President, Ross Perot, Not run in 92′? Well then H.W. wins a second term. And that’s the Last reason why your big Commie plan to overlord Amerika for All Time is a Big Loser. Because we’re a Center-Right country. A shame that most of the “folks” that I mentioned earlier, won’t Be here to see their agenda crash and burn for Good though. Yeah, a real shame.

How was that for healthy?
I can see 2016 from my window.

Anybody got a clue what point Rambles is trying to make with the above post, or did he just spend too much time with the nitrous tank….
NavyRetiredinTexas

Jerry Springer has about as much credibility as Bill Clinton (I NEVER had sex with that woman). If America only included the Northeast and the Left coast than yes, America would be liberal. Fortunately the rest of america is hard working families that want a better future for their children. Most of us see that this country under Obama is going the way of the Roman Republic. Once their moral fabric was shredded, the republic fell quickly. Conservatives are simply trying to save the greatest country on Earth from itself.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tony-Westover/1496648721 Tony Westover

Jerry Springer is saying that the Progressives won?

Has this moron turned the TV on in past few months? He does know there was an election a couple months back, right?
Just_MC

HERE ARE ALL THE DOMESTIC HEADLINES ON MEDIAITE AS OF 12:30 TODAY:

Jon Stewart To O’Reilly: A Heartless Douche Is Not The Same As A Nazi Propagandist

MSNBC Puts An End To “Psycho Talk” Segment On The Ed Show

Nasty Taint? Rachel Maddow Probes Mitt Romney Connection To On-Demand Porn

Michael Steele Tells An Incredulous Rachel Maddow ‘The Culture Wars Are Virtually Over’

Confessions of a Gay Anchorman: Ex-NY News Anchor Rips Former Station And Colleagues

University Cancels Bristol Palin’s Abstinence Speech Amid Protests Over Her ‘Lack Of Expertise’

Rush Limbaugh Is Not Happy That Time Magazine Is Comparing Obama To Reagan

Unscripted: Tracy Morgan Calls Sarah Palin ‘Serious Masturbation Material’

Jerry Springer: “The Liberals Have Won” And “We Are A Liberal Country”

Stephanie Miller: Speaker “Boehner Is A Darker Color Than The President”

Notice any trends?! Revolution is breaking out in parts of the world due to economic woes. Including a disastrous and abusive government in Egypt to whom we give more than two billion per year. We have more than QUADRUPLED our annual federal deficit spending in the last 2 years. We have two undeclared wars approaching nearly a decade of crime against our troops and those in foreign sovereign states alike. We are hopelessly bankrupt but just added a gargantuan new entitlement program. REAL unemployment is probably over 20% when you take out all the book-cooking the Dept. of Labor does to skew the numbers down. Foreclosures are at an all-time high. Real inflation is starting to take off like a rocket. Yet we’re subsidizing the burning of a huge chunk of the world’s food supply in wasteful ethanol programs.

And THESE CR^P HEADLINES aree what is passing for the domestic news?! First, Mediate, you ought to be ASHAMED of yourselves for perpetuating this garbage. As godawful as the selection of news is within the media, your take on it is more selection than reflection of what is out there. It is sick. We have real issues and you are fanning the flames of the worst sort of distractions from the important.

I encourage all readers to seriously consider what is truly important. And in so doing, I encourage all readers to seriously consider whether it makes any sense to support this site with further traffic.

Please think about it.
Dave Richards

Jerry Springer and Howard Stern. Two losers who have contributed absolutely nothing to society.
http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

Here are the facts on my latest video as I talked with Dick Morris and Dennis Hastert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgrpySJlvf8

Yes I was with Dick Morris and Dennis Hastert last night in Chicago AKA Skokie.
OxyCon

Our country has been trending downwards ever since the late 1960s.
Congratulations on your victory Springer! The country now more resembles your retarded show more than it does it’s glorious past.