He sure makes alot of common sense with no fear tactics or partyline holding, just fact.
The spending needs to stop! Enough is Enough! Default is coming one way or the other.
 
 I Like Ron Paul for change. How could you not want to push a candidate that believes in less Government in our lives, flat tax, ending the FED and ending the IRS as well as war on drugs that has been a total fail and just another cashcow for Government agencies! well, unless you want to play old washington politics and keep screwing the people and imprisoning non violent crimes with another few million Americans. How much is that costing the average American to support?
 
Other than that, Paul is strictly a choice candidate who believes special interest items should remain at state level and let the Supreme Court handle those that may be in violation of the Constitution. What’s not to like about this common sense man against Government involvement in your private lives? I don’t want anyone in office pushed by the left or the right for washington politics as usual. It’s about time we get one pushed by the people working together. Ron even returns surplus each year his office does not use. How many in Washington do that? Live within their means with surplus? Great ethics, smart ideas.
 

Why don’t leftists vote for Ron Paul. They supposedly want freedom.

But that is the crux of the whole facade. They really do not want freedom, they are inherently statists. They want the government to CONTROL everything. That is truly what is behind the facade of leftists-statists. They are a mixture of communists, socialists, corporatists, fascists, etc.

Those that post here are very obvious about their corporatism. Ask them about PP, PBS, GE, Media Matters, etc. See, they want their crony corporations, they want their FREE stuff, they want CONTROL over others, that is what THEY are.

By the way Lefties, did you miss me?

David, the bomb throwing, rightwinger, extremist, terrorist, Tea Bagger, Taliban, DHS watchlister (new one from a fellow Mediaite poster), etc. Did you miss me?

Ron Paul rocks- What IF?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DMUtv1A9IVk

A lot of people are going to wake up in a few months and realize they should’ve been listening to this guy sooner.

That old saying, “Got Milk?”

Should have been “Got Gold, Got Lead, Got Food, Got Food Stock, Got Oil Stock, Got Tea?”

My “Wish List”:

1. The bogus boehner plan is KILLED in the House. (If not, it will go to the Senate where dingy-harry will make it even worse – including a free pass for obozo’s re-election efforts throughout 2012 -  and send it back to the House, where the House Repubs will be on the hook to pass the atrocity or leave the government with no increased spending authority – and the d-cRAT socialists and their stooges in the socialist media will see to it that they get ALL of the BLAME for that.)

2. NO-PLAN-OBOZO unilaterally increases the debt limit to continue the reckless, out-of-control irresponsible, wasteful, Greece-like d-cRAT socialist spending.  (He is then  IMPEACHED by the House.)

3. ALL the credit agencies DOWNGRADE the US from AAA to AA. (That will finally prove to everyone that the d-cRAT socialists and establishment repubs are doing nothing but blowing smoke up America’s butt with their bogus “debt-reduction plans.”)

4. Cut, Cap and Balance becomes law and the Budget Balanced Amendment is adopted by the states. (This is the ONLY way that washington’s political hacks will act responsibly – if they have NO OTHER CHOICE. Of course, the first step REQUIRES a Repub Senate and a Repub president to join a Repub House, which can then pass and follow CCB even while the states vote on the BBA. )

The only guy in DC who knows what he’s talking about. It’s a shame that more people won’t listen to him.

The only guy in DC who knows what he’s talking about. It’s a shame that more people won’t listen to him.

The only guy in DC who knows what he’s talking about. It’s a shame that more people won’t listen to him.

Isn’t that the truth! Simply because he believes in a woman’s right to chose, is not interested in the government monitoring our bedrooms, thinks drugs should be legalized …. Just because of these positions, and others, the Republicans don’t treat him seriously.

Isn’t that the truth! Simply because he believes in a woman’s right to chose, is not interested in the government monitoring our bedrooms, thinks drugs should be legalized …. Just because of these positions, and others, the Republicans don’t treat him seriously.

Isn’t that the truth! Simply because he believes in a woman’s right to chose, is not interested in the government monitoring our bedrooms, thinks drugs should be legalized …. Just because of these positions, and others, the Republicans don’t treat him seriously.

Go Ron Paul, if only everyone in washington followed your philosophy, we wouldnt be in the mess. Everyone should be held accountable for themselves and not have to depend on the nanny state for everything. The perpetuation of the welfare state is wrong and in the end only enslaves. Cutting spending is the only solution to becoming a more fiscally responsible nation. Giving more money to the govt. is like giving a drug addict more dope.

Both parties grab on such special interest issues that “we” all know should be up to the Supreme Court from State level in comparison to the Constitution.. Both sides pushing agenda’s instead of pushing for less government in our lives. Invading every aspect of our lives.

When will people wake up and push back and push for a man who wishes to push our country in the right directon for the People as a Whole. Show both parties that middle finger and move us back into a leading nation not led by agendas of either side, other than Constitutions side.

The Democrats fabrication of fictional cuts are so far down the road they are meaningless…..a totally different Congress will be in place by the time they are supposed to be enacted and who knows if they will be honored or if this Country survives by then…..the fact is this Country is broke and if we go farther in debt we won’t even be able to pay the interest alone on our debt….spending cuts have to be immediate and serious.
Ron Paul and the newly elected Tea Party members are the only ones with any common sense in Washington…among a few Conservative Republicans.
It is very simple, we cannot keep running up the debt like the Democrats want to do…yes Bush is also guilty!!!
We have to cut Government spending!!

Naturally since Paul believes in a limited government and low taxes, he must take that position. But even a ten year old knows when your expenses are greater than your income, you not only need to cut expenses, you must also make more revenue as a priority, and government must do that by taxation since private enterprise is not permitted. The numbers do not work for Paul because he can not find enough revenue. Our nation is richer than at any other time in history, so the notion of us being bankrupt is stupid.

Ron, come on, you think a dent that is at or exceeds 100% of our GDP is too much? What until next year when its 120% of GDP.

If you thought health care cost was expensive now, wait until its free!

Agree with him or not, the man is consistent and not indebted (pun intended) to many of the smae special interests as the rest of Washington. He is also respectful, will meet and debate with anyone, and doesn’t use hyperbole to put himself over.  He has my respect.

Must you be reminded that the President isn’t in the legislative branch? Come on folks, this is 3rd grade social studies.

The only way to get out of this one is good ol’ fashion bipartisanship.

The more we go down the toilet financially, the more I realize how correct Ron Paul has been all along.

Ahhhhhh, the Dems ,under the direction of Bill Clinton no less, have raised the unconstitutional theory of having Obama try to  use the 14th amendment to bypass Congress.

Actually,when it comes to abortion, Rom Paul is strongly against it. However, he believes that abortion should be left to the state and individual to decide and federal government shouldn’t be involved in any way. That includes supporting abortion through taxation. So you are wrong on that… unsuprisingly. You are half right that he dosen’t want government in our bedrooms. As a matter of fact, he dosen’t want government involved in any part of our personal lives. He is a strong supporter of total economic freedom which alone makes him despised by the radical leftists in the Democratic party.

Its the Ron Paul types who are causing the financial crisis because they have reduced taxes to the lowest level in 60 or more years. Even during Reagan’s time taxes on the top rate were at 50% and we managed our budget much better.

This highlights why Paul is not only unfit to be president, but unfit to be lead teller at your local bank (to the degree that they have live tellers anymore). The country is not bankrupt, and the road out of our difficulties is mind-numbingly obvious: create jobs. All the rest of the sound and fury is either flat-out wrong or insignificant compared to that one imperative.

Wow. Valkyrie’s response is that America should blame the one group of Americans who have been completely trying to prevent this situation and have been politically unrepresented since Barry Goldwater?
 
The best analogy I can think of to this opinion is blaming black people for causing slavery. Way to go valkyrie. You can’t make stupid this crazy. It has to be born that way.

Provide one example in which he has been wrong this whole time.

I would be considered a total lefty on most social issues and I like Paul a lot.I like him because he doesnt mess around with baloney excuses.  He wants to end social programs but he also very much wants to reduce the military and end the wars asap – rare balance for the Right.  Personally I would hate to see our social programs greatly reduced but if it went along with cutting the defense budget in half I would go for it in a heart beat.

Oh and Id also go for a flat tax for everyone without any exemptions or loopholes (Exxon/Mobil get out your checkbook).

 Yes TeaPartynation because when bush was in office and had the congress for six years that balanced budget amendment was right on top of their agenda lol. I wont argue with you ill make you a bet. If the republicans get ahold of the house senate and presidency they will forget about a balanced budget amendment. How much would you like to wager?

 In some ways I think he has more in common with libs than republicans lol

agreed but the republicans will never nominate him.

Just as suspected. No timely reply. Just ridiculous flaming and trolling from someone who has never read a book on the subject or referenced one of Dr. Pauls many books that have predicted  years to even decades in advance exactly what is going down in our economy right now.

The government controls everything? You sure about that?

http://youtu.be/jxiT30N6ti4

Maybe if McConnell removed the Tea Bag dick out of his mouth I would have understood what he was saying…”shuwuh the le bummma lip ma duppa nummy lum “

Don’t forget Bush 41, Reagan, Nixon… etc

agreed

Obviously, the government does not have the will to curb its monetary and fiscal behavior.  So, I think we should just learn to love debt, and keep spending and printing until the market stops us.  At some point the rest of the world will stop buying our bonds and then we’ll have no choice.  Can’t wait to see how politicians campaign for reelection without the ability to deliver the loot to their supporters.   We are bankrupt.  We will default.  The only question is how and when.

Technically, he believes in the abolition of the federal income tax.  State, local, and trade taxes he sees no real problem with but wants to keep them low.  Technically he was against the Bush tax cuts because they didn’t reduce spending at the same rate and started two wars.  Technically he wants to gut the federal government and only use it for defense.  He is more Jefferson Davis than anyone else.

Bloody hell, He is the main deal. I understand why the right wing freaks especially the Neocons dislike him, he just say what he believes and call their bluffs (Dems and GOP)

Technically expat is right on one thing.  The current economic crisis, the deficit, and debt issues all have to do with America loosing a strong manufacturing base.  When there is a strong base, money gets pumped into the economy thus creating tax revenue.  He isnt wrong on that, just pointing out the pink elephant in the room that no one from either party has addressed.

Expat is wrong in the fact that Mr Paul would make it worse.  He has stated that he is against giving tax breaks and incentives to companies sending jobs out of the country.  He also supports raising tariffs on imported goods from countries with equally high tariffs.  The only war he would like to start is a trade war.

The old fruitcake is going to go with… what?

Go back to the “gold standard”?

We already told you gNOpigs where the spending cuts have to be made.

But, NOOOOOOOOOOH that sacred cow can’t be touched!

14 trillion in debt we cant pay said by both Republicans and Democrats and you still think there is no bankruptsy?  haha…go back to sleep, or do some research outside of FOX NEWS and their ARMY of useless Pundits

‘So now remind me….why isnt he ‘So Embraced’ by the Radical Right?’  That is, since he is ‘despised by the radical leftist’ rt??

I’ve worked with bankruptcy attorneys before & learned one thing relevant to this:
WITHOUT EXCEPTION, every person/business which filed for bankruptcy protection was actually bankrupt long before they “realized it”.
The United States may or may not be “technically bankrupt” yet, but it’s coming.  And it is very SAD that our politicians do more harm than good to the nation.

 Thats true Just some Blow, but a trade war can turn into a real war pretty fast:)

so your voting for ron paul yes or no.

He was talking about America, not the government. The government can never be bankrupt because it prints the money. Period. Inflation? Sure. America’s cumulative wealth is massive, and is at an all time high. So bankrupt? Not even close.

Of course not.

I’ve just called him a fruitcake.  And so are his followers believing in the idiotic gold standard.

It is incredible how at his old age he has NOT learned a damned thing.

Tell us again which “politicians” you favor and I will tell you which politicians, and the supporting rabble, favored a blank check for useless wars.

I believe that they treat him unfairly because he will end their party. He will demand fiscal responsibility and promote non-intervention.

Well, just like the left and the right.. your for more spending..that’s fine.. Some in America believe it’s not the right path and don’t need the name calling to prove it..we have voting cards.

America is not bankrupt, its political class is.  The United States government is not America.  Between the Republicans religious belief in not taxing anyone with the money to to donate to keep them in office, the Democrats religious belief that a government can spend money it doesn’t have ad infinitum , and an essentially clueless electorate, the US government is in deep financial trouble.  It is not bankrupt, it just needs a reality check. Admit Social Security and Mecicare are Ponzi schemes.  Admit the USA can’t police the world or afford 4 wars simultaneously. Admit that allowing banks and other financial institutions to pocket profits but pass off losses to the public is a bad idea.  Do this and more, and things will be OK.

Here we are witnessing the end of the “fiat money” system as we know it

and yet you think the gold standard is idiotic, when it’s really the only standard.

The gold standard is not what’s idiotic in this discussion.

WE SHOULD..

Bring our troops home from around the world..

End the departments of Homeland Security, Education, Energy, Transportation and more.

Then suspend the income tax, social security withholding for a year.

Then eliminate minimum wage.

Institute a very small sales tax on new, non-essential items (technology) and tarrif on imports.

This plan would help to pay down debt (both public and private) and create real job growth. 

People would have more of their own money to afford health care and pay off debt.

Elimination of minimum wage would create more jobs and be off-set because they’d not be paying an income tax.

All of this can be done and would seriously cut the deficit, spur real growth and get us on the track to eliminating the welfare state.  But first people need to see their paychecks without our MASTERS hand in it first.  Then they’d see the benefit.

Alisyn is “Hot”.

Jeeeeebuz…

“ELIMINATE THE MINIMUM WAGE”

How about bringing back slavery and forced child labor?!

That should work!

I stated that leftists (statists) want the government to control everything because that is what they are, STATISTS.

Heck, look at Russia now. They still have diehard Communists that yearn for the control of the state.

After instituting such destructive, regressive changes, you wouldn’t be fat for long. Not going to be much to eat under such a preposterous scenario.

Well, for one thing, countries don’t go “bankrupt.” The term is meaningless when applied to a sovereign nation. I recognise that Paul is using it rhetorically, but he also probably knows that his ill-informed supporters will interpret it literally.

Which makes him just as disingenuous as the next pol.

Well, for one thing, countries don’t go “bankrupt.” The term is meaningless when applied to a sovereign nation. I recognise that Paul is using it rhetorically, but he also probably knows that his ill-informed supporters will interpret it literally.

Which makes him just as disingenuous as the next pol.

Play sillybuggers with tariffs in the middle of a global downturn of historic proportions. Heck, that worked so well last time, we should definitely try it again.

Fact: Nigeria prints its own money and it’s broke.
How did that happen?

Fact: Nigeria prints its own money and it’s broke.
How did that happen?

Fact: You need a system reboot telling BS like that!

Fact: You need a system reboot telling BS like that!

Read the Jungle by Upton Sinclair. We would go back to that.  Also all of those things were not around from 1895-1925, then something really, REALLY bad happened.  Also none of those were in place in Russia circa 1909-1911, then something really REALLY REALLY bad happened.  Also none of those were in place in Germany after WWI.  They had a huge debt, falling monetary value, and no way to entice jobs back to the country, then something really REALLY REALLY REALLY bad happened.

My point its, you can never roll backwards to move forwards.  Even Mr Paul realizes this as he has plans to phase out these programs (a lot of which I don’t agree with him on) over a long period of time.  It took us at least 30 years to get here, we won’t get out of it overnight.

Also, how do you feel about former President Richard M Nixon?

I disagree with social security and medicare.  They should be put in a simple interest bearing savings account or bond and LEFT ALONE.  A lock box if you will. Why they are failing is because we use that money for other things like wars or giving it to the banks when they can run their business.

explain to me the difference between corporate bureaucracy and governmental bureaucracy…

doubtful, there is no money in it.

How does one play “sillybuggers?” It sounds like a term used before the sentence, “it was the longest night of Andy Dufrane’s life”

you make some good points expat, and I agree somehwat with your overall point, but nations do go bankrupt.  Ask Greece, Germany in the early 1930′s, The Soviet Union circa 1989-1992, the list does go on. 

Uh, did you know that the numbers used to calculate our debt do not address our future obligations to things like Social Security, Medicare and Obamacare?

Honey, we spent the money we had, are daily spending more borrowed money that we don’t have, and continue to make entitlement promises for money we will not have. 

Paul is a foreign policiy loon, but he’s right about us being insolvent, BECAUSE WE ARE.  And just because you want us not to be broke, that has no bearing as to whether or not we actually are.

We are.  And  no one is addressing it, which will continue until we literally default and then it’s all over.  There won’t be squabbling about where to spend money, there will only be the gnashing of teeth of 300 million people because there ISN”T ANY MONEY AT ALL. Not to spend, not to borrow and not to get us out of the hole that we’ve dug for ourselves.

Focus on the numbers, not the politics and you will see the truth.

Not that I like Jefferson Davis, he was for the whole slavery thing and all. Just stating that (other than slavery) the south had a libertarian slant. Which is very VERY ironic.

 I don’t think the gold standard is possible now.  For there to be a gold standard, a country must possess gold in sufficient quantity for there to be a quantity of gold for every outstanding currency unit.  Internet sources give the total amount of gold ever mined at 5.3 to 10 billion troy ounces.  Lets take the higher number.  At $1600 per troy ounce that would be $16 trillion dollars as the value of all the gold ever mined.  In case you haven’t noticed, the USA doesn’t own all the gold in the world.  One article I read says that the USA holds about 147million troy ounces of gold at Ft Knox and the Federal Reserve holds about 160 million ounces in the New York federal Reserve Bank, but not all of those are owned by the US.  Being generous, and crediting the USA with 300 million ounces, that is just 3% of the total.

Calling the  US debt $15 trillion, that would value each troy ounce at $150,000 – and the USA is adding $1.5 trillion to the debt every year under President Obama.

Ron Paul is here, to state the obvious. I think Boehner and Obama both know we are bankrupt and THE ENTIRE IDEA OF THE DEBATE is to get us out of debt. We have to stop the foreign wars, we spend more than any other nation on earth, if it makes you cringe to take away military funding, you should cringe when they get rid of education too, it might not be as tangible but it becomes very apparent down the line if your country is smart enough to dominate or not.. we are losing that…

Disagree or not, Social Security and Medicare meet the classic definition of a Ponzi scheme:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
There is no money in any “lockbox”, and there never has been.  All they are are ways to get very regressive taxes from everyone who earns any money at all.  A poor man pays a higher percentage of his income than a wealthy person does in these taxes because there is an upper limit on taxable income, but no lower limit.
I don’t deny a need for a social safety net, but it should not be financed from regressive taxes.  There is also the fact that these taxes are destructive of marginally profitable businesses, because they must be paid whether the business turns a profit or not.

you have good points. I agree a flat tax works better and I actually support means testing for recipients. However, once that revenue is collected, it needs to stay put. Not used as collateral or spent in hopes of filling it once again.

If it got passed, they wouldn’t be able to forget about it, would they? Thinking people know that the government is just as bad  no matter which side is “in control”. They are all the same people.

He definitely has more in common with what libs say they want. The main difference is that the libs (at least those in power) seem to think that they should decide when you have choice and when you shouldn’t for you own good.

Just because you want us to be insolvent (and that’s pretty kinky, by the way) doesn’t make it so. Even if you insist in capital letters.

Just getting back to an unemployment rate in the low 5% range would put us back to the fabled 2007 level that the Republicans think is so meaningful within a year.

None of those crises (I realize that the Greek crisis is still ongoing) ended in default. It’s been tried before, but never for an economy anywhere near the US’s size. And where it has been tried, the cure proved worse than the disease.

The right is divided into Neocons (probably worse than liberals?), republicans interested in smaller government but still plagued by the ideals of social “conservatism”, and full blooded libertarians embracing the ideas of Ron Paul and the like.

The ESTABLISHMENT right (radically stupid, but not radically conservative) dislikes Paul because so many of his ideas go against the typical social conservative/warfare Republican stance. He disliked most of Bush’s Big Government policies (No Child Left Behind, Patriot Act, TSA, Dept. of Homeland Security, outrageous defense spending and borrowing, preemptive (agressive) wars funded by debt which gained support through demagogues, fear, and Islamophobia. He votes against flag-burning amendments and marriage definition amendments and the like that neocons/establishment republicans/ evangelical religious social conservatives love. He won’t vote to raise the debt limit to allow more spending, which establishment republicans will try to do for political reasons. He makes decisions based on principle and a strict adherence to the foundational ideas of a free market Republic whose main concern and only real function is to ensure that man’s natural rights are not encroached upon. He respects the rights of people he disagrees with personally and does not want to use government to force his views on others.

He loathes abortion personally, but doesn’t agree with federal prohibition of it. He views marriage as an institution traditionally between a man and a woman, but doesn’t support a Definition of Marriage amendment or agree with discrimination in public affairs, but rather getting the government out of so many affairs (why do they have to define marriage? We’d dodge the whole issue and stop dividing people by trying to force one’s views on another through the power of the state).

He doesn’t endorse the use of drugs or deny the risks associated, but he does support legalization and ending government prohibition because of the huge amount of costs to society, zero benefits to society, and issues of personal freedom.

Noticing a pattern? Forcing one way of living on other people for their own good or for their health or any other such thing is simply authoritarian government abusing people through the state. Why should human beings in a bureaucratic, bankrupt mess we call government overrule another human beings individual decisions as a free person when those decisions have no impact on anybody else but that person. Life, Liberty, Property, Pursuit of Happiness, all that good stuff true conservatives (not neocons and tyrants like the Bush administration) who appreciate the founding fathers’ concept of limited government that distinguished our country from the world and made us the most prosperous.

 Now we pour our wealth out of the country and to government to misallocate, trying to rid ourselves of our American identity and make us equivalent to a modern European semi-socialist state, giving up our personal freedoms and economic prosperity for central banking, big government spending, socialist redistribution of wealth through welfare programs, and bureaucracy. All one has to do is look at the money flowing into the campaigns and pockets of modern day politicians from big corporations and special interests to know that the Republic is dying if not dead. Politicians represent special interests and authoritarianism, not the people. That doesn’t jive with our political philosophy or foundational documents.

In your last sentence, when you say “us” who are you referring to?

To me, the “us” who are bankrupt are those believe in the Federal Reserve backed dollar.  It’s the middle and lower class that are going bankrupt – not those in power (the elite). Do not even think of them being bankrupt. However, the masses are going bankrupt everyday as their hard earned money loses value. That’s what happens when the Federal Reserve continues to print money by the billions and trillions. It’s deflation – the decreasing spending power of the fiat currency you and I hold. And this is what Greenspan is ultimately pointing out in his 1966 essay, “Gold And Economic Freedom”. Look it up, read it. Once you understand what he is writing, you should be amazed and that much smarter about what really happened to this country in 1913.

Yeah, but republicans have been known to follow that same concept. Nixon’s War on Drugs and Bush’s TSA  come to mind.

So… do you like paying for all the wars that the elite have us in?

If you do, then please keep paying taxes.

I choose to opt out.  They can pay for their own wars of imperialism.

Wealth at an all time high? If you consider dollars to be wealth. I consider that to be paper who’s store of value is decreasing rapidly over time. GDP may make you feel good, but take out the government components and look at production. You cannot be wealthy forever if you do not produce anything but you consume things. To think government can magically create wealth with their voodoo economics and redistribution efforts is what drives us into these vicious and perpetual bubble/recession cycles. Most people seem to forget that the “government” controlling the money supply through the Federal Reserve was set in place to PREVENT the dangers posed by the business cycles and economic downturns. Too bad the first thing they did was cause the Great Depression. That can be argued I suppose against other factors, but the current chairman Ben Bernanke actually admitted that he himself thinks that the Fed is responsible. Anything to worry about? Nah, he assures us he has everything, even any long term inflation risk, completely under his control. I wouldn’t count on it. The Greenspan complex needs to come to an end, not be reborn stronger in the least responsible and most dangerous Fed Chairman thus far.

I’m voting for Ron Paul in 2012, even if I have to write him in like I did in 2008.

Hey, all you sheep that voted for Obama… here’s a huge sarcastic “Thank You!” for handing the presidency to just another “business as usual” puppet. “New boss… same as the old boss.”

Vote for real change and vote for Ron Paul.  Cast your vote for Liberty!

The debate about whether a “gold standard” is possible today is one thing.

But to argue against the principles that encompass a “gold standard” is completely misguided. I can tell you one person you’ll be arguing against… yes, Alan Greenspan. Look up and read his essay, written in 1966, called “Gold And Economic Freedom”. Then report back with your feedback.  Otherwise, I really can’t afford the uneducated much credit.

Hyperinflation and default are closely linked. Is it really so much better to pay your debts and not default if you debase and devalue your currency. You may think you are paying your debts, but the person receiving the payment is not going to be pleased with what they are receiving.

Bah Blah Blah Bah Bah *spewing feces indiscriminately* *makes claims based on personal attacks with no evidence*

Please share with us what you have learned. You learned that the magical secret to money is to make more and everyone will be wealthier? To think we were wasting our times producing things in the past and making products that people demanded. We could print thousands of dollars and pay them to stand in line and the whole world would be perfect! Hail government spending!

1 Ron Paul voted against alot of Bush’s Fascist plans. Earning the title DR. NO. If someone other than Ron PAul gets into the white house i agree with you there will be no change. If Ron PAul does win, i’ll take that bet. May not be a ballanced budget amendment but spending and washington politics with change….

republicans certainly do the same as libs generally. not ron paul, though

I like how to refute gov. control you give him a clip from a movie(a great movie, but a movie nonetheless). 

yes its a movie, but tell me that’s not true.  Remember in 2008 when the banks blew up?  TARP was political time bomb that didn’t have the votes to pass and I believe was voted down.  Then the chamber of commerce, the heads of Goldman Sachs, and the treasury secretary at the time, pulled congress in a closed door meeting.  After the meeting, they passed TARP.  I can only assume, a scenario like the one in the clip happened.

yes its a movie, but tell me that’s not true.  Remember in 2008 when the banks blew up?  TARP was political time bomb that didn’t have the votes to pass and I believe was voted down.  Then the chamber of commerce, the heads of Goldman Sachs, and the treasury secretary at the time, pulled congress in a closed door meeting.  After the meeting, they passed TARP.  I can only assume, a scenario like the one in the clip happened.

I don’t want us to be insolvent, in fact I desire the opposite.  You think that the tax cuts expiring is enough revenue?  Not when the spending has doubled in the past ten years, with no end in sight.  As to getting back to that fabled 5%, how do you propose that happen in this economic climate. What will suddenly get business to hire?

Certainty in the economy.  Which is not happening because business is deathly afraid of things like Obamacare because they don’t really know how much it’s going to cost them personally. So there are hiring freezes and more job losses, either by layoffs or by attrition.  You could tax the rich at 100% and it won’t cover the bases.

I would have no issue with increasing taxes IF the spending was cut, which it won’t be.  We’re screwed until that happens.  People can spin, but it’s the numbers that matter and don’t lie.

Only a clown would compare America to Nigeria.

Ron Paul:  “I’m an easy ‘no’ on this.”
How do you Tea party types like your choices of November 2010 now? The bottom line is the Debt Ceiling or better said paying our bills should never be held hostage by anything or anyone.  The discussion of how we reduce spending and increase revenue is  or should be exclusive of the Debt Ceiling.  Bye bye credit rating, 401ks, and possiblity of near future job creation.

 He mis-spoke: He always talks about printing being worse than simply admitting you are broke.They will raise the debt ceiling and they won’t (in real terms) cut either.They may have to accept the downgrade and then when the final collapse occurs it will really be horrific.This is what not facing up to reality will do to a person and a nation.Watch out for them distracting you from blaming them by hard,religious led fascism and war with Pakistan and/or China.

America is in serious trouble. Americans have got to look at themselves
realistically and let go of their longstanding illusion that they are the best
country in the world. There truly could be nothing further from the truth and
Canada, the only remaining first world nation in North America, regards the
American situation with both horror and disgust. Americans owe it to themselves
and the world to get their financial situation in order.