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Lara Logan Attacked Again, This Time By Yellow Journalists

by Dan Abrams | 10:59 am, February 25th, 2011

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As CBS correspondent Lara Logan continues to bravely recover, still enduring massive amounts of physical and psychological trauma after being sexually assaulted and beaten in Egypt, a “journalist” named Témoris Grecko is now suggesting that CBS may have altered or outright fabricated details of her attack in Tahrir Square. That’s right, he is speculating that CBS invented the assault because “this account does not fit with what I, and others, witnessed.”

The blog post is titled “Rape? Women? Stripped? What really happened to Lara Logan?“ and it was picked up by the news industry blog Newsblues (subscription needed) which described Grecko as a “well known travel journalist and photographer.” Grecko claims to have witnessed Logan in a white coat (which can be seen in the widely-circulated image of Logan on the night she was attacked, pictured here) being dragged by several men across the square. He describes her not as fearful or panicked, but “as trying to control the situation.” The group dragging her were yelling “Agent! Agent!”, he claimed – a marked departure from most other reports that Logan’s assailants were screaming more loaded terms – specifically “Jew!” and “Israeli!” – presumably because of reports on state-run television claiming that foreign journalists were spies working for Israel.

While CBS noted that Logan was eventually rescued from her attackers “by a group of women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers” (you can read CBS’ full statement here.), Grecko quotes a Bostonian tourist, Benjamin Starr, who offers an entirely different account:

“I want to give her the benefit of the doubt, maybe something happened in another part of the square, but from what I saw, she was being taken by men to the soldiers, and her clothes were not torn off. There were no women, I didn’t see a single woman in the crowd around her.”

He wants to give her the benefit of what doubt? There is no doubt. It is a fact that Logan was hospitalized with severe injuries. Not a theory, not an allegation not a claim, but a fact. Because Grecko and Starr did not actually see the attack itself and other “activists” with whom Grecko claims to have spoken, did not witness it (or more likely don’t want to believe it), he questions whether it was sexual in nature and whether it happened at all.

“When I read CBS’s story and it’s interpretation by other media outlets, I felt troubled. It seemed misleading,” writes Grecko. While I am sorry that Mr. Grecko “felt troubled,” I am far more troubled by the fact that he admits that he and his two friends eventually lost sight of her an into a crowd “50 or 100 people strong” and yet still decided to write this piece. This guy calls himself a journalist? He puts into question the CBS (and presumably Lara’s) account because he was not able to see what happened after she was swept away by the crowd?

Grecko quotes Alshimaa Helmy, a “21 year old Egyptian biotechnology student and cyber-activist,” who he says made this equally absurd and bold claim:

I think it is a big exaggeration. It couldn’t happen. How can someone risk to rape a foreign woman in the most important square of Egypt, in front of tens of witnesses? If those were bad guys, what about all the good people who were celebrating? She doesn’t deserve what happened to her, no one does, but if you are going to a revolution, you should protect yourself.

Ah yes, the familiar “my client would never have been so stupid as to”. . . defense. In the hundreds of trials I have covered, particularly when the evidence is overwhelming, this is the all too common refrain. “You think my client would have been dumb enough” to…leave his blood…or wallet …or gun…or glove at the scene? Sadly, the answer is almost always a resounding yes. Of course, this 21 year old activist contradicts herself by blaming the victim for an attack that “couldn’t happen” by saying that she should have protected herself.

Grecko writes that “a hot-headed public debate on Egyptians, Muslims and women, rages on sparked by what may or may not have happened to Lara Logan in Tahrir Square.”

Alas, his true motive for penning this offensive nonsense becomes clear. More than facts, this “journalist” seems dismayed that the widely reported account portrays “Egyptian and Muslim men . . .as wild beasts and Islam as an inherently violent religion.” That debate, Mr. Grecko, is for another time and place. Not at Lara Logan’s expense. The second guessing and hectoring Logan has been subjected to in message boards (including this one) and on some blogs is shameful, but this piece is even more detestable because it purportedly comes from an “eyewitness” “journalist” who wants people to think that he actually saw the event, which, by his own admission, he did not.

While CBS has stated that Logan was not raped, sadly, this story fits all the cliches of the rape culture that discourages women from reporting rapes, and makes certain they will be disbelieved if they do. Murderers and rapists are presumed innocent, while sexual assault victims are often presumed liars.

Grecko’s piece concludes by saying “this attack raises a lot of questions that need to be answered by CBS, or, better, by Logan herself.” No. Lara Logan owes you no such thing. Lara should just focus on recovering from this assault so that maybe she can be back reporting on the most important stories of the day, that way we won’t have to rely on charlatans like you to serve as our eyes and ears in the field.

Lara Logan

skyfet

You mean doggy Journalists!
ohwell

I’m getting a little sick of hearing about Lara Logan. Granted, what happened to her (which is a question mark at this point) was awful, but MANY women around the world go through WORSE on a daily basis. Enough is enough.
tgk

“Alas, his true motive for penning this offensive nonsense becomes clear. ”

Sucks to have wade through a bunch of BS before the author’s motives become clear. At least here at Mediaite the motives of the journalists are clear, if not in the headline, at least in the first 2 or three sentences.

Seriously though, when in the he** are we (All Americans) going to begin to DEMAND BETTER of the media? This is truly disgraceful what Grecko has done and then to have his employer, CBS to publish it? WTF is going on here? If we don’t demand better, then sadly, I think we will see how low it can go.
Color Me Badd

I was all about to rage against this “journalist”, but then I read that “CBS says she was not raped”. Why did they report she was sexually assaulted? Isn’t the legal definition of “sexual assault” rape? What happened to Logan is sad and horrible and the male reporters who have come out and said she “made it up” or “wanted publicity” is beyond the pale. But how come they reported she was the victim of a “vicious sexual assault” when she wasn’t?
Olby Sucks

“Yellow?”
Thelonious Funk

I think the politically correct term is Asian journalists
tgk

tgk said:
“Alas, his true motive for penning this offensive nonsense becomes clear. ” Sucks to have wade through a bunch of BS before the author’s motives become clear. At least here at Mediaite the motives of the journalists are clear, if not in the headline, at least in the first 2 or three sentences. Seriously though, when in the he** are we (All Americans) going to begin to DEMAND BETTER of the media? This is truly disgraceful what Grecko has done and then to have his employer, CBS to publish it? WTF is going on here? If we don’t demand better, then sadly, I think we will see how low it can go.

Ooops sorry, I know CBS is not this guys empoyer. Damn why can’t Mediaite get an edit feature?
http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Mangan/100000213524770 David Mangan

The hateful barrage of stupidity and outright shamefulness by so-called females that don’t know the difference between ‘rape’ and ‘vicious sexual assault’ shows that leftist feminazi morons simply cannot be assumed to have higher rational faculties.

Rape is actual physical penetration while vicious sexual assault is everything leading up to this, with tearing off clothes, beating and all the other things western women often experience in Egypt and elsewhere in the Arab world [I am an Arabist who lived in four Arab countries, including Egypt for a decade and have heard all sorts of experiences naive western women have had in the Cairo marketplace near Al Azhar].

Islam is a violent and patriarchal religion that has no respect for females outside of a very narrow family-obligation context. Foreign women who are assumed to be “khawajis” are fair game and in an excited crowd, a few nasty Muslim Brotherhood types may have thought she was Jewish and therefore an enemy ‘khawajia.’
Colby Hall

from Wikipedia: Yellow journalism or the yellow press is a type of journalism that presents little or no legitimate well-researched news and instead uses eye-catching headlines to sell more newspapers. Techniques may include exaggerations of news events, scandal-mongering, or sensationalism. By extension “Yellow Journalism” is used today as a pejorative to decry any journalism that treats news in an unprofessional or unethical fashion.

dur.
http://www.abramsresearch.com/ Dan Abrams

@color me badd you really can’t figure out how someone can be sexually assaulted during a beating without being “raped?” Come on. But that is not the point. I know her friends and she has endured great pain and suffering during a long hospital stay. I am sure she would have liked to have avoided offering any details but a reporter had been working on a story about it so CBS decided to disclose some of the detail but they, and more important she, should feel no obligation to offer up all the minutiae of her terror.
http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

Color Me Badd said:
I was all about to rage against this “journalist”, but then I read that “CBS says she was not raped”. Why did they report she was sexually assaulted? Isn’t the legal definition of “sexual assault” rape? But how come they reported she was the victim of a “vicious sexual assault” when she wasn’t?

Sexual assault is an assault of a sexual nature, it may include rape, forced vaginal, anal or oral penetration, inappropriate touching, forced kissing, child sexual abuse, or the torture of the victim in a sexual manner.

She was a victim of a sexual assault, but was not raped.
JoeRemi

ohwell said:
I’m getting a little sick of hearing about Lara Logan. Granted, what happened to her (which is a question mark at this point) was awful, but MANY women around the world go through WORSE on a daily basis. Enough is enough.

Asshole.
http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

“I tried to run to intervene, but some Egyptians I didn’t know prevented me from doing it. There was nothing I could do and, as a foreign journalist, I’d surely end up being accused of being an agent too, and attacked. Fekry did go there and dissapeared into the crowd, 50 or 100 people strong.”

Sounds like a chickensh*t who is blaming her, because he did nothing to help.

Good post, Dan.
GlennBovineKoldys

Olby Sucks said:
“Yellow?”

Jeffy,

You’d know the term if you had ever finished the 6th grade or read anything but your beloved Wing Nut Daily and Dr. Weiners.
http://twitter.com/SailRabbits Magister

sarainitaly said:
Sounds like a chickensh*t who is blaming her, because he did nothing to help.

That was basically my first thought upon reading the post and now that I’ve clicked through, I’ll add that in addition to being a chickensh*t, he’s also pisspoor journalist for the reasons Dan cited, plus obviously he saw news happening and failed to investigate.
GlennBovineKoldys

I would like to suggest for those at Mediaite or posters with a legal background to explain the basic legal definition of “assault” to quell those idiots seeking to diminish or mock the ordeal.
Scott_in_MI

“Témoris Grecko is now suggesting that CBS may have altered or outright fabricated details of her attack in Tahrir Square. ”

Why would anyone “alter or fabricate” such a story?
Scott_in_MI

ohwell said:
I’m getting a little sick of hearing about Lara Logan. Granted, what happened to her (which is a question mark at this point) was awful, but MANY women around the world go through WORSE on a daily basis. Enough is enough.

I cant believe anyone could be so insensitive. God forbid such a thing happens to one of your children….but I suppose that would be ok since “women around the world go through WORSE on a daily basis.”
The Real Royal King

I don’t really see any need to draw to “define out” the terms. Under the laws of many states “sexual assault” is the crime and rape is one type of conduct which constitutes a sexual assault. It seems to me that such a discussion merely again reduces what Ms. Logan endured to a clinical procedure when it was anything but that.
http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

Magister said:
That was basically my first thought upon reading the post and now that I’ve clicked through, I’ll add that in addition to being a chickensh*t, he’s also pisspoor journalist for the reasons Dan cited, plus obviously he saw news happening and failed to investigate.

agreed.
The Real Royal King

This ought not be a partisan nor an ideological argument.

In Texas, we had the Koresh compound in which both men and women, boys and girls, were subject to sexual assault. The members were not political.

We now have a large polygymous compound in Texas. While there have been some reports on adult male upon adolescent boy sexual assault, vitrually all of the sexual assaults have involved young women and girls. Yet, this group espouses a conservative ideology and is something of a local force in Republican politics. Certainly, the compound operates, in flagrant violattion of the law, without the slightest concern by our long-time, law and order Republican governor. But, these people are conservative and Republican only for prgamatic reasons. They depend upon and draw heavily upon our limited welfare resources and want to be able to remain lawless. And, the victims are no less victims because of this.

This ought to be a topic on which we all agree and which transcends political and ideological lines. The crime itself recognizes no such lines, either by perpretrator or by victim.
GlennBovineKoldys

The Real Royal King said:
I don’t really see any need to draw to “define out” the terms. Under the laws of many states “sexual assault” is the crime and rape is one type of conduct which constitutes a sexual assault. It seems to me that such a discussion merely again reduces what Ms. Logan endured to a clinical procedure when it was anything but that.

You know that and I too know that.

But it seems some of the lesser informed are arguing the ordeal did not include “rape,” and others like the Baboon, were screaming “tumultuous rape” – oh, those were not his words, but his meaning.

So I suggested the basic definition of “assault,” again, to stop the clowns from trying to diminish the severity of her situation. Just like some did in the case of male reporters, make that “assaulted reporters” PERIOD.
Harry Flashman

This is loathesome.

The woman was hospitalized for the injuries sustained at the hands of a rabid mob. This author has two clear motives behind this:

1: To bring attention to himself. Congrats. You’ve done that. We all see what type of creature you are. Thanks.

2. To defend Islam, the Religion of Peace. Couldn’t happen, not here. They’d NEVER sexually asault a woman (and, yeah, colormebadd, getting stripped and beaten is sexual assault, you moron) in this enlightened land.

Pitiful and disgusting.
The Real Royal King

Magister said:
That was basically my first thought upon reading the post and now that I’ve clicked through, I’ll add that in addition to being a chickensh*t, he’s also pisspoor journalist for the reasons Dan cited, plus obviously he saw news happening and failed to investigate.

You’re certainly right, and I would be interested in taking this one step further. Ought another journalist observing this proactively intervene to stop it. I understand the argument that a journalist ought never become part of the story he or she is covering. It makes sense. It is, of course, widely ignored since even the Jack Reed days. Of course, that may do more to argue for the principle than anything else.

As a man, I can’t imagine not intervening when a man is attacking a woman or another man. But, that’s instinctive and not necessarily rational. Does a journalist have to act on the rationality of ethical principle? Or, is it enough that he or she act, and then be reported upon? Recuse himself or herself from reporting on the story.

I don’t want to suggest that this is a problem without resolution. There is an easy, instinctive resolution. It is post-resolution which interests me.
julian77

This guy Temoris is not a real journalist and he is extremely ignorant, as proven by his silly blog. That said, it was not necessary to write an article on him and actually bring attention to his idiotic blog – he is perfectly capable of discrediting himself and he obviously is trying to cash in on his 5 minutes of fame by exploiting a mob attack on another reporter. That takes integrity. Most of the responses on his blog are people discrediting him or just creepy internet trolls. Everything he writes is either rampantly misogynist or clearly invented to attract people questioning the attack. You would have to be pretty naive to actually to take it seriously.

By the way, according to his eyewitness account, he only saw what he thought was Lara Logan for a couple seconds. Even in the off chance he was there, he has no idea what happened to her before or after that couple seconds, the rest of his blog is just complete conjecture because he did not follow up on the attack. He claims to have talked to one person that claimed to be there, meaning he talked to someone once the Logan assault became a story. Essentially – Sure, I was there, I saved her, she was fine. The only interesting part of this guy’s story is the reason why he failed to follow up on the situation – he was in the middle of drinking a cup of tea. Mob of men attacking a woman versus cup of tea. Tea won. He should put this on his resume, excellent journalism! If anything, he is just an embarrassment to the journalistic community. Honestly, he probably has the blog to rationalize why he did not follow up on the situation. Which is why women reporters are so important – a woman reporter would have followed up on the attack.

To ohwell blogger, I’m sick of hearing about this too. However, not for that reason. You can take any situation and say something was worse. Oh, that earthquake in New Zealand – there’s been worse earthquakes elsewhere – why are we even paying attention to this? I don’t really know Lara Logan – as if I watch 60 minutes (or CBS). However, I wish people would stop attacking someone that was just sexually assaulted, or just assaulted for that matter – by a mob, for being a foreign journalist. It’s almost like it is cathartic for people to attack and blame women victims. That is more of the issue than the actual details of what happened to her – which are none of our business. She was assaulted, she was injured, that’s all anyone needs to know.
http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

The Real Royal King said:
This ought to be a topic on which we all agree and which transcends political and ideological lines. The crime itself recognizes no such lines, either by perpretrator or by victim.

Even when you give a sensible answer I will give you a thumbs down because I know you don’t mean it.
http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

The Real Royal King said:
This ought to be a topic on which we all agree and which transcends political and ideological lines.

The Real Royal King said:
Yet, this group espouses a conservative ideology and is something of a local force in Republican politics. Certainly, the compound operates, in flagrant violattion of the law, without the slightest concern by our long-time, law and order Republican governor.

The Real Royal King said:
This ought not be a partisan nor an ideological argument.
http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

The Real Royal King said:
As a man, I can’t imagine not intervening when a man is attacking a woman or another man.

So, then why are you always attacking women that post here and Sarah Palin and Bristol?
JoeRemi

gordonbloyershow said:
Even when you give a sensible answer I will give you a thumbs down because I know you don’t mean it.

You. Are an IDIOT.
writer

As a man, I can’t imagine not intervening when a man is attacking a woman or another man.

Had to read that one again. May take a few more times.
BatBoy

The Real Royal King said:
As a man, I can’t imagine not intervening when a man is attacking a woman or another man.

King, you are a man of many faces.

I thought you got your name “King” from attacking women, especially on this site. You damn sure are the King of cyber stalking. That, I believe, can be a crime in some states.

Maybe after this allogation you should change your name to “REAL_ROYAL_DIRTBAG”
writer

As a man, I can’t imagine not intervening when a man is attacking a woman or another man.

I think I’m reading it correctly.
writer

As a man, I can’t imagine not intervening when a man is attacking a woman or another man.

Huh!
Olby Sucks

writer said:
As a man, I can’t imagine not intervening when a man is attacking a woman or another man.

Huh!

That one really shattered the ole hypocrisy meter, didn’t it? Mrs. Phibber is none too bright.
Olby Sucks

BatBoy said:
King, you are a man of many faces.

I thought you got your name “King” from attacking women, especially on this site. You damn sure are the King of cyber stalking. That, I believe, can be a crime in some states.

Maybe after this allogation you should change your name to “REAL_ROYAL_DIRTBAG”

She got the name by stealing it. This should come as no surprise.
writer

You read the same thing? It wasn’t just me? Thank goodness.
The Real Royal King

sarainitaly said:
The Real Royal King said:
This ought to be a topic on which we all agree and which transcends political and ideological lines.

The Real Royal King said:
Yet, this group espouses a conservative ideology and is something of a local force in Republican politics. Certainly, the compound operates, in flagrant violattion of the law, without the slightest concern by our long-time, law and order Republican governor.

The Real Royal King said:
This ought not be a partisan nor an ideological argument.

Context, my dear Tumbleweed.

“But, these people are conservative and Republican only for prgamatic [sic] reasons. They depend upon and draw heavily upon our limited welfare resources and want to be able to remain lawless. And, the victims are no less victims because of this.”

Non contextual editing and quotations are the epitome of intellectual dishonesty.
Olby Sucks

Colby Hall said:
from Wikipedia: Yellow journalism or the yellow press is a type of journalism that presents little or no legitimate well-researched news and instead uses eye-catching headlines to sell more newspapers. Techniques may include exaggerations of news events, scandal-mongering, or sensationalism. By extension “Yellow Journalism” is used today as a pejorative to decry any journalism that treats news in an unprofessional or unethical fashion.

dur.

Huh. That describes keith olbermann and think progress to a “T.”
GlennBovineKoldys

Olby Sucks said:
She got the name by stealing it. This should come as no surprise.

Jeffy,

Do you really want me to repeat your whole story?

It would be off topic, but sort of fitting because this would be around the 4th year since I have known you are a confirmed mental case.
WHarropson

tgk said:
why can’t Mediaite get an edit feature?

Here here!
The Real Royal King

gordonbloyershow said:
The Real Royal King said:
As a man, I can’t imagine not intervening when a man is attacking a woman or another man.

So, then why are you always attacking women that post here and Sarah Palin and Bristol?

So you are making an equivalency between sexual assault and internet discussion about public figures? You Raygunuts are a conflicted tormented sort.
Grammie

Olby Sucks said:
She got the name by stealing it. This should come as no surprise.

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That he did!

Even TRRK’s name is phony.
GlennBovineKoldys

Olby Sucks said:
Huh. That describes keith olbermann and think progress to a “T.”

You really want to mention those comments you made about rape victims on Think Progress?

Keep digging that hole, Jeffy.
Olby Sucks

GlennBovineKoldys said:
Jeffy,

Do you really want me to repeat your whole story?

It would be off topic, but sort of fitting because this would be around the 4th year since I have known you are a confirmed mental case.

Yes, phibber. Tell the story of how you got banned after namejacking and being a hate infested troll. Do tell.
The Real Royal King

Olby Sucks said:
Colby Hall said:
from Wikipedia: Yellow journalism or the yellow press is a type of journalism that presents little or no legitimate well-researched news and instead uses eye-catching headlines to sell more newspapers. Techniques may include exaggerations of news events, scandal-mongering, or sensationalism. By extension “Yellow Journalism” is used today as a pejorative to decry any journalism that treats news in an unprofessional or unethical fashion.

dur.

Huh. That describes keith olbermann and think progress to a “T.”

A more accurate example would be Drudge and Britbart. Even FOX “News” for all its journalistic shabbiness seldom engages in true yellow journalism.
GlennBovineKoldys

Grammie said:
.
That he did!

Even TRRK’s name is phony.

Hagzilla,

How long have you known Jeffy Bovine?
Olby Sucks

GlennBovineKoldys said:
You really want to mention those comments you made about rape victims on Think Progress?

Keep digging that hole, Jeffy.

What comments, kitty?
The Real Royal King

Olby Sucks said:
GlennBovineKoldys said:
Jeffy,

Do you really want me to repeat your whole story?

It would be off topic, but sort of fitting because this would be around the 4th year since I have known you are a confirmed mental case.

Yes, phibber. Tell the story of how you got banned after namejacking and being a hate infested troll. Do tell.

The moron still thinks you are I and I am you. I think it started when Juanita left him.
GlennBovineKoldys

Olby Sucks said:
What comments, kitty?

Factor, remember mikey,woogy,mutt,beverly,cecil?All the same olbyloon. He is now calling himself cw. A coward is right! Yes, I am jeff and I changed my name to royalking and I am man enough to admit it, unlike the coward little mikey. He reasorts to “anon”, also.
Posted by: royalking / Jeff Merrill / olby sucks at March 21, 2007 1:27 AM
Olby Sucks

GlennBovineKoldys says:

sock puppet troll alert!
Olby Sucks

GlennBovineKoldys said:
Factor, remember mikey,woogy,mutt,beverly,cecil?All the same olbyloon. He is now calling himself cw. A coward is right! Yes, I am jeff and I changed my name to royalking and I am man enough to admit it, unlike the coward little mikey. He reasorts to “anon”, also.
Posted by: royalking / Jeff Merrill / olby sucks at March 21, 2007 1:27 AM

Thanks for proving you’re a namejacker. None too bright, ay patty cakes? ROFL!
GlennBovineKoldys

The Real Royal King said:
The moron still thinks you are I and I am you. I think it started when Juanita left him.

Heck, it has been only 4 years since he has been in his thuper thecret miththion.

There are people all over the world monitoring blogs and websites looking for the defenders of the enemy as well as potential supporters. I am one of those people.
Posted by: royalking / Jeff Merrill / olby sucks at July 23, 2007 1:24 PM
Olby Sucks

GlennBovineKoldys said:
Heck, it has been only 4 years since he has been in his thuper thecret miththion.

There are people all over the world monitoring blogs and websites looking for the defenders of the enemy as well as potential supporters. I am one of those people.
Posted by: royalking / Jeff Merrill / olby sucks at July 23, 2007 1:24 PM

Thanks, haggy/patsy! ROFL! Troll much?
Olby Sucks

Better keep playing those olbyloon diversions, patty cakes!
Olby Sucks

“haggy” how’s the weather in the “UK?” LOL!
Olby Sucks

DO I have the Best avatar ever, or what? Thanks, Johnny!
GlennBovineKoldys

Olby Sucks said:
Better keep playing those olbyloon diversions, patty cakes!

This one is so wrong in so many levels:

Malkin side by side with Coulter…….make it a 3some and add Karen Hanretty. I have a feeling they are all neatly trimmed, already……

Posted by: royalking / Jeff Merrill / olby sucks at January 20, 2008 3:21 PM
GlennBovineKoldys

Olby Sucks said:
DO I have the Best avatar ever, or what? Thanks, Johnny!

This one?

I miss my Keith Olbermann avatar, too. Tell me how to put it back!

Jeff Merrill / olby sucks Saturday, February 6, 2010, 9:39:38 AM
Olby Sucks

GlennBovineKoldys said:
This one is so wrong in so many levels:

Why do you hate hot women? Wait, don’t answer, usckitty. We both know why.
Olby Sucks

GlennBovineKoldys said:
This one?

Wow, you are one sick stalker puppy. We already knew that, too. A gay stalker with mental issues. I seriously hope you are getting some help.
Olby Sucks

Patsy, who do you think is sexier, dan or keith?
Olby Sucks

You better run, sicko.
The Real Royal King

GlennBovineKoldys said:
There are people all over the world monitoring blogs and websites looking for the defenders of the enemy as well as potential supporters. I am one of those people.
Posted by: royalking / Jeff Merrill / olby sucks at July 23, 2007 1:24 PM

I remember that one! Practically wet myself from laughing.
Grammie

GlennBovineKoldys said:
This one?

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Does he have an entire library of every word you ever said, OS?

He is, has been, fast moving beyond scary into skin crawling creepy!
GlennBovineKoldys

Olby Sucks said:
Wow, you are one sick stalker puppy. We already knew that, too. A gay stalker with mental issues. I seriously hope you are getting some help.

http://www.ourchurch-graphics.com/member/r/royalkinggeteqh/Jeff3.jpg
Mount Royal King – 2007; now owned by Jeff Merrill

Jeffy, just how many people owned that horse in 2007 and you admitted to be Jeffy Bovine?
Olby Sucks

Grammie said:
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Does he have an entire library of every word you ever said, OS?

He is, has been, fast moving beyond scary into skin crawling creepy!

It is definitely one sick sob. It proved it all by itself!
GlennBovineKoldys

Olby Sucks said:
Patsy, who do you think is sexier, dan or keith?

Good move, Jeffy.

Drag Dan Abrams into your hatred and smears of anything connected to MSNBC.
Olby Sucks

GlennBovineKoldys said:
Good move, Jeffy.

Drag Dan Abrams into your hatred and smears of anything connected to MSNBC.

Are you saying it’s a toss-up, haggy?
GlennBovineKoldys

Grammie said:
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Does he have an entire library of every word you ever said, OS?

He is, has been, fast moving beyond scary into skin crawling creepy!

Why?

Crapper 1 and Crapper 2 by Cox and Koldys are overflowing with your, and Jeffy Bovine’s, comments.

Here is one by Mark Koldys:

I did cut down that comment of yours (as I did this one too) because you are veering away from the subject matter of this site: cable news. Just posting insults about politicians doesn’t qualify and it’s off-topic here. This is not a blog about politicians; it’s a blog about cable news and we do ask that commenters stay at least tangentially on topic.

I made a judgment call that talk about Byrd and “DemonNUTTS” is off-topic when the subject is cable news. But if there are those who think I’m wrong and are on your side on this, they can say so.

Mark Koldys Monday, January 11, 2010,3:22:55 PM

Odd, Marky rarely comments or reports when his beloved Fox gNOpig Propaganda Network is caught in their lies.
Color Me Badd

Dan Abrams said:
@color me badd you really can’t figure out how someone can be sexually assaulted during a beating without being “raped?” Come on. But that is not the point. I know her friends and she has endured great pain and suffering during a long hospital stay. I am sure she would have liked to have avoided offering any details but a reporter had been working on a story about it so CBS decided to disclose some of the detail but they, and more important she, should feel no obligation to offer up all the minutiae of her terror.

I always thought that when something was described as a vicious sexual assault that meant that a rape had occured, I was mistaken in thinking that the legal definition of “sexual assault” meant rape, I didn’t know the legal definition was more broad that that.
Nachi

Another reminder that Little Men will forever have problems with women – regardless of the circumstances
It’s a genetic & castration thing.
greg454

Liberal Logic Media Moment:

White Lacrosse Players are accused of rape by black stripper/hooker: Guilty before proven innocent.
Blond girl is attacked and perhaps sexual violated by Arabs: The bitch deserved it.

Yeah, nice going liberal media.

http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com
zepfan81

This story needs to go away for a while until Mrs. Logan decides (if she ever does) what really happened. I’ve read everything from she was brutally gangraped to she was beaten with poles and stripped to well, this stuff. No one knows. Respect her privacy. Whatever happened landed her in the hospital for days. Hope she recovers well mentally and physically.
http://www.squidoo.com/lauriebethsgrotto Laurie Beth

Thank you for writing this.
uglyflamingo

I think her whole story is very fishy and possibly false. Her first statement was very similar to Grecko’s. CBS changed it. Dan should do some more research before making a opinion bashing other journalists.
The Jack Burton

Mr. Abrams,

Thank you for writing and posting this article. You are an honorable man. Well done.
uglyflamingo

gordonbloyershow said:
So, then why are you always attacking women that post here and Sarah Palin and Bristol?

how can anyone respect you?

gordonbloyershow said:
Even when you give a sensible answer I will give you a thumbs down because I know you don’t mean it.

seriously.
lane

I hope more journalists call out this kind of crap like Dan did here. The woman had to be hospitalized for days to deal with the effects of her trauma, so only a sicko would question her account or insist to find out the details to somehow prove the level of trauma. These sick bloggers, journalists etc are revealing their true natures, and the shine on their horrible comments should be shown brightly.

Lara gets to chose how she wants to handle this, when and even if. I just wish her well wishes in her recovery. I think she’s one of the best reporters out there and her work is stellar, and her trauma sounds awful. God bless her and others healing.
uglyflamingo

uglyflamingo said:
I think her whole story is very fishy and possibly false. Her first statement was very similar to Grecko’s. CBS changed it. Dan should do some more research before making a opinion bashing other journalists.

HER ORIGINAL STATEMENT…KINDA SIMILAR TO GRECKO’S
“We were not attacked by crazy people in Tahrir Square. We were detained by the Egyptian army. Arrested, detained, and interrogated. Blindfolded, handcuffed, taken at gunpoint, our driver beaten. It’s the regime that arrested us. They arrested [our producer] just outside of his hotel, and they took him off the road at gunpoint, threw him against the wall, handcuffed him, blindfolded him. Took him into custody like that.”

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/lara-logan-egypt-5219471

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thecutline/20110215/bs_yblog_thecutline/cbss-logan-suffered-brutal-attack-in-egypt
uglyflamingo

uglyflamingo said:
HER ORIGINAL STATEMENT…KINDA SIMILAR TO GRECKO’S
“We were not attacked by crazy people in Tahrir Square. We were detained by the Egyptian army. Arrested, detained, and interrogated. Blindfolded, handcuffed, taken at gunpoint, our driver beaten. It’s the regime that arrested us. They arrested [our producer] just outside of his hotel, and they took him off the road at gunpoint, threw him against the wall, handcuffed him, blindfolded him. Took him into custody like that.”

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/lara-logan-egypt-5219471

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thecutline/20110215/bs_yblog_thecutline/cbss-logan-suffered-brutal-attack-in-egypt

It’s also possible that she was going through some trauma and changed the real story because she was still afraid and traumatized. But one has to wonder.
TheZeitgeist

Hey Abrams, gotta ask, why isn’t anyone covering this story?

That Temoris guy you lambast is the only one I’ve seen who actually saw anything happen involving Logan and actually describe what he saw. Nobody else has done any kind of follow up or anything on this story.

Everybody is using Logan’s misfortune as either some kind of rhetorical weapon for their own agenda, or they obsess over tawdry physiological details of what happened to Logan. Both useless.

Yet there’s some interesting opportunities for real journalism here. I am really curious in one angle in particular: Logan was allegedly saved from increasingly disgusting fervor in that assault – maybe her life was saved – by some women. Who were those women? They put themselves on the line to save a strange foreigner they had no stake in. That’s pretty admirable. Who were they? Why did they save her? They were probably in that crowd for some time watching all that dark stuff go down, and then something made them (maybe it started with single individual ‘she’) stand up for someone who needed a lucky break like no other.

What made them help? What a poignant, uplifting story that could be. A very nice ray of sunshine on otherwise miserable incident. An angle on this that humanizes what happened and directly refutes all this sick Islamogasm-on-blonde invective I see all over media outlets, especially right-winger ones. But no one’s looking at that, actually gumshoeing around Cairo getting the story. What’s with all you guys in the bigger media dropping the ball on stuff like that Abrams? I mean WTF?

You know who would put the footwork in and find out the back-story there if she could? Lara Logan. I really hope the best for her in the future. 60 Minutes is gonna suck again without her around.
Grammie

zepfan81 said:
This story needs to go away for a while until Mrs. Logan decides (if she ever does) what really happened.

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You’ve “read” so many conflicting reports that you somehow “know” is based on all the versions Ms Logan gave?

Where are all these versions from her directly?
http://www.squidoo.com/lauriebethsgrotto Laurie Beth

@uglyflamingo: You’re a complete idiot. That statement was made after Lara Logan and her team were detained and interrogated the previous week, during which she had severe stomach upset and had to vomit almost all the hydration in her body before they would give her an IV. Her team was released and flew back to the US.

She RETURNED to Egypt after that to film for 60 Minutes, because she’s one of the bravest journalists in the business. Her vicious sexual assault occurred on February 11th and she has not released a personal statement since. CBS released one for her. It should have ended there, but people like you felt the need to call her a liar.

Jack Burton and lane, well said. Sara, you too.
captaingrumpy

Who is the idiot who sent a woman into a Muslim frenzied crowd of protesters without a security guard at her side.It would have cost nothing to hire a local to look after her.CBS must put money above safety…..thankyou.
JoeRemi

uglyflamingo said:
HER ORIGINAL STATEMENT…KINDA SIMILAR TO GRECKO’S“We were not attacked by crazy people in Tahrir Square. We were detained by the Egyptian army. Arrested, detained, and interrogated. Blindfolded, handcuffed, taken at gunpoint, our driver beaten. It’s the regime that arrested us. They arrested [our producer] just outside of his hotel, and they took him off the road at gunpoint, threw him against the wall, handcuffed him, blindfolded him. Took him into custody like that.” http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/lara-logan-egypt-5219471 http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thecutline/20110215/bs_yblog_thecutline/cbss-logan-suffered-brutal-attack-in-egypt

You have no CLUE what you are talking about, yet have the audacity to question HER story. Just another heartless Tea Party dirtbag.
TheZeitgeist

captaingrumpy said:
Who is the idiot who sent a woman into a Muslim frenzied crowd of protesters without a security guard at her side.It would have cost nothing to hire a local to look after her.CBS must put money above safety…..thankyou.

She did have a security detail. And she got split up from them in that crazy crowd and her camera-guy like seconds after the infamous picture was taken. I am guessing its the security detail that went and got the Army guys to go extricate Logan from the goon-squad, who at that point sounds like had some women between her and getting killed by psycho-mob. Just nick-of-time save there it sounds like.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Coraline-De-La-Pigeonnire/707179868 Coraline De La Pigeonnière

Well put Dan and thank you for putting the focus back where it should be: on the recovery and well being of someone who has suffered.
Nan

JoeRemi said:
You have no CLUE what you are talking about, yet have the audacity to question HER story. Just another heartless Tea Party dirtbag.

Wow, here I am agreeing with you and ready to hit the thumbs up button. my head going up and down in agreement until you whack out. Tea Party? I remember one of the first attacks on her came from the left. I am a right wing conservative independent and I admire Lara. She is one courageous woman. You are a nut bag at best. I wanted to hit the thumbs down button after I finished but decided neither fit up or down fit. The first part was right on even if you really only wanted to make political points rather than for any concern for the disgusting statements of ugly flamingo.
http://www.facebook.com/people/William-Bonney/100001436547015 William Bonney

Dan Abrams,

You’re a joke! And the media would NEVER lie to the public for sensationalism, sympathy, and ratings?!? This story sounded fishy all along when I first heard it. At first, I thought Logan exaggerated her story. She’s lied before! But now, I have a strong feeling it’s CBS and the media that are continually to perpetuate this false story. Get over yourselves! You’re WRONG! How about report the FACTS!!! If CBS has video and pictures of the scene, then why have they NEVER shown it?!?! It’s because they LIED about the “sexual” assault!
JoeRemi

Nan said:
Wow, here I am agreeing with you and ready to hit the thumbs up button. my head going up and down in agreement until you whack out. Tea Party? I remember one of the first attacks on her came from the left. I am a right wing conservative independent and I admire Lara. She is one courageous woman. You are a nut bag at best. I wanted to hit the thumbs down button after I finished but decided neither fit up or down fit. The first part was right on even if you really only wanted to make political points rather than for any concern for the disgusting statements of ugly flamingo.

My concern is for the kind of Tea Party dirtbag pig that comes here and makes statements like he did. Your vile inhumanity is rampant on this site. Tea Partiers are evil, selfish pigs who don’t give a damn about anyone by themselves. I’m sick of the whole lot of you.
Nan

JoeRemi said:
My concern is for the kind of Tea Party dirtbag pig that comes here and makes statements like he did. Your vile inhumanity is rampant on this site. Tea Partiers are evil, selfish pigs who don’t give a damn about anyone by themselves. I’m sick of the whole lot of you.

Well what can you say to a total bigot like JoeRemi.
JoeRemi

Nan said:
Well what can you say to a total bigot like JoeRemi.

Bigotry is hatred of a person because of race or sex. Hatred of evil is just what it says. The Tea Party is evil.
Nan

JoeRemi said:
Bigotry is hatred of a person because of race or sex. Hatred of evil is just what it says. The Tea Party is evil.

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs. The predominant usage in modern English refers to persons hostile to those of differing race, ethnicity, nationality, inter-regional prejudice, gender and sexual orientation, homelessness, various medical disorders particularly behavioral disorders and addictive disorders, religion or spirituality and reality creation beliefs. Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or world views.

You made a nasty unfounded blanket statement about a very large group of people. That’s bigotry. If I wanted to call your a racist or sexist I would have but in this case you sir are a bigot.

Take a look at the comments on this thread and you will see that people from both sides are upset about the treatment of Lara Logan. I can’t determine if uglyflamingo is a tea party member or not or if he is mocking Beck or really follows Beck. But many of the other nasty comments toward Lara are coming from known liberals. What happened to her is not partisan.
JoeRemi

If Flamingo wants to deny he’s a Tea Partier, then we’ll just conclude hrs a loathsome asshole. That doesn’t change the fact that the Tea Party is a mean, selfcentered, evil ideology. The sooner it’s banished to the ash heap of history, the better.
Nan

JoeRemi said:
If Flamingo wants to deny he’s a Tea Partier, then we’ll just conclude hrs a loathsome asshole. That doesn’t change the fact that the Tea Party is a mean, selfcentered, evil ideology. The sooner it’s banished to the ash heap of history, the better.

Well he certainly is that. Thing is it is not a fact but your opinion about the Tea Party. What is also an opinion is that liberals are mean, selfcentered, evil ideology and the sooner they are banished to the ash heap of history, the better. Difference is I know it is an opinion and I know that they are not evil but just have a different idea of how to clean up this mess.
George C

GlennBovineKoldys said:
Factor, remember mikey,woogy,mutt,beverly,cecil?All the same olbyloon. He is now calling himself cw. A coward is right! Yes, I am jeff and I changed my name to royalking and I am man enough to admit it, unlike the coward little mikey. He reasorts to “anon”, also.
Posted by: royalking / Jeff Merrill / olby sucks at March 21, 2007 1:27 AM

LOL ! At teh dummies with an internet archnemesis . 4 years lmao .
JoeRemi

Nan said:
Well he certainly is that. Thing is it is not a fact but your opinion about the Tea Party. What is also an opinion is that liberals are mean, selfcentered, evil ideology and the sooner they are banished to the ash heap of history, the better. Difference is I know it is an opinion and I know that they are not evil but just have a different idea of how to clean up this mess.

The difference is the Democratic and Republican Parties have a difference of opinion. The Tea Party movement is a vile pox on the earth, and it’s time for people to start calling it like it is. EVIL.
Nan

JoeRemi said:
The difference is the Democratic and Republican Parties have a difference of opinion. The Tea Party movement is a vile pox on the earth, and it’s time for people to start calling it like it is. EVIL.

Me thinks you have no clue then. I know some very selfless loving people who belong to a tea party group. They run a half way house helping addicts. There is nothing about them that could be called evil. I don’t think you ever sat down with one on a one to one basis and got to know them and tried to find out why they make the stand they make. I think all you have done is listen to the talking points from the libs and then gone on sites like this and engaged in nasty snipes with them. What makes you say they are EVIL?
JoeRemi

Of course I don’t mean all the well-meaning, misled PEOPLE are evil. The IDEOLOGY is. It’s heartless and stupid, which makes it EVIL.
JoeRemi

And my best friend is a Tea Partier, so gimme a break. She’s wrong, but she’s the very atithesis of evil.
Nan

JoeRemi said:
And my best friend is a Tea Partier, so gimme a break. She’s wrong, but she’s the very atithesis of evil.

OK I thought you were not so rigid and bigoted as you portrayed yourself to be. I think you are the one who has the wrong ideology and assume your friend does to. But on this blog we are in agreement. Flamingo is an ____. And Lara bless her heart should be left alone to deal with this in her own way and her own time. I hope and pray she may be healed. I can’t imagine how hard it will be for her.
JoeRemi

Nan said:
OK I thought you were not so rigid and bigoted as you portrayed yourself to be. I think you are the one who has the wrong ideology and assume your friend does to. But on this blog we are in agreement. Flamingo is an ____. And Lara bless her heart should be left alone to deal with this in her own way and her own time. I hope and pray she may be healed. I can’t imagine how hard it will be for her.

Amen, brother.
http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

JoeRemi said:
Tea Partiers are evil, selfish pigs who don’t give a damn about anyone by themselves. I’m sick of the whole lot of you.

JoeRemi said:
Of course I don’t mean all the well-meaning, misled PEOPLE are evil. The IDEOLOGY is. It’s heartless and stupid, which makes it EVIL.

JoeRemi said:
The difference is the Democratic and Republican Parties have a difference of opinion. The Tea Party movement is a vile pox on the earth, and it’s time for people to start calling it like it is. EVIL.

JoeRemi said:
If Flamingo wants to deny he’s a Tea Partier, then we’ll just conclude hrs a loathsome asshole. That doesn’t change the fact that the Tea Party is a mean, selfcentered, evil ideology. The sooner it’s banished to the ash heap of history, the better.

JoeRemi said:
And my best friend is a Tea Partier, so gimme a break. She’s wrong, but she’s the very atithesis of evil.

Oh really?

Dude, what makes you so sure that guy is a tea partier? His avatar says *glenn beck is a MESSiah* sounds like someone who doesn’t like beck, to me. And other than that, what did he say that makes you think he is a tea partier?

You made a dozen bigoted, nasty comments attacking tea partiers, and then claim your BFF is a tea partier…
JoeRemi

sarainitaly said:
Oh really? Dude, what makes you so sure that guy is a tea partier? His avatar says *glenn beck is a MESSiah* sounds like someone who doesn’t like beck, to me. And other than that, what did he say that makes you think he is a tea partier? You made a dozen bigoted, nasty comments attacking tea partiers, and then claim your BFF is a tea partier…

If you can’t follow the trajectory of my comments, I can’t help you. The Tea Party movement is a destructive, evil force, and many of its follower display as much on this blog. It would be silly to presume ALL its followers are the same.

I can’t be sure that Flamingo is a member, which I stated late last night. I didn’t pick up the satire in his avatar.

It is NOT bigotry to call something dark and evil what it is. Just because you think the movement is all sweetness and light doesn’t mean you’re right. To see an evil and not call it such is ridiculous. The Tea Party ideology is a darkness creeping across this country that must be stopped.
Ajolily

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Ajolily

Sorry didn’t mean to hit submit. Joe, if you were so willing to believe that flamingo was a tea party member you surely have attributed other stuff to the tea party that is untrue.
JoeRemi

Good to know you’ve got me all figured out. I know what librtarianism is, smart guy. Evil.
Octopius

You’ve made us all feel so very, very special over on the Témoris Grecko thread. I really can’t thank you enough.

None of what you have insinuated is true.

Mr Grecko’s article represents – and still represents – the only salient voice in a cacophony of hysterical accusations, assumptions and false reporting which has surrounded Ms Logan’s ordeals in Tahrir Square on the 11th February.

As the only eyewitness account to appear in publication anywhere in the world with regards to those events that night, Mr Grecko article provides an insightful perspective to the civility and order with which the vast majority of people were going about their business that night in Tahrir Square.

All any reasonable person would adduce from Mr Grecko’s article is of the genuine dismay, he, along with a number of other people with whom he later spoke, subsequently felt in learning things had been anything other than what they had seemed, at the time. Or could deteriorate so inexplicably.
http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

sarainitaly said:

JoeRemi said:
Tea Partiers are evil, selfish pigs who don’t give a damn about anyone by themselves. I’m sick of the whole lot of you.

JoeRemi said:
If you can’t follow the trajectory of my comments, I can’t help you. The Tea Party movement is a destructive, evil force, and many of its follower display as much on this blog. It would be silly to presume ALL its followers are the same.

Then you probably shouldn’t run around claiming all tea partiers are evil….

Flamingo is NOT a tea partier. He belongs to the Left.
jcalex

“journalist”…and they wonder why they got their asses kicked.I`m surprised the don`t have their asses kicked on a regular basis.
The next time anyone sees that little punk Cooper ask him to show you the interview he had with Alex Jones where he turned off the audio,and only showed the Video of the interview.