That is extremely horrifying. Here’s hoping she fully recovers physically and emotionally.

oh my god, that is awful. horrible!

i don’t want this to sound like i am laying ANY blame on her, I’m not, but being a blonde petite American woman, she should not have been there – over excited crowds like that are dangerous. especially when they are men who tend to not respect women.

i hope she recovers physically, and emotionally.

Awful!! The poor woman. Networks should be held accountable for sending their people into dangerous zones.

sarainitaly said:
oh my god, that is awful. horrible!

i don’t want this to sound like i am laying ANY blame on her, I’m not, but being a blonde petite American woman, she should not have been there – over excited crowds like that are dangerous. especially when they are men who tend to not respect women.

i hope she recovers physically, and emotionally.

First off she is British. Second of all, you sound like that Imam in Australia who blamed rape victims of commiting crime by wearing short miniskirts.

WCinWI said:
I’m sick of “journalists” being caught in the middle of a situation and then being surprised that they were hurt.

Of course it’s a sad situation, but you don’t need to be in the middle of the celebration. Commonsense people!

Especially when it’s a celebration by a bunch of peace loving, freedom wanting, MUSLIMS. And we think these animals are going to evolve into a democratic society? Please.

Wiki says she was born in South Africa.

FleshBomb said:
Especially when it’s a celebration by a bunch of peace loving, freedom wanting, MUSLIMS. And we think these animals are going to evolve into a democratic society? Please.

Right? I mean come on! Only Christians are capable of Evolving (??) into a democratic society. Effing Muslims.

nice_thought said:
Right? I mean come on! Only Christians are capable of Evolving (??) into a democratic society. Effing Muslims.

No. Jews are quite capable of it as well.

nice_thought said:
First off she is British. Second of all, you sound like that Imam in Australia who blamed rape victims of commiting crime by wearing short miniskirts.

No, she’s South African. And noting she was in a dangerous situation that she probably shouldn’t have been in is not quite the same as saying her skirt was too short. She’s got great big balls, and she’s been in worse places. But the odds of such a situation going bad on you are pretty high. I’m sure she understood the risk.

WCinWI said:
I’m sick of “journalists” being caught in the middle of a situation and then being surprised that they were hurt.

Of course it’s a sad situation, but you don’t need to be in the middle of the celebration. Commonsense people!

I have to agree. Journalists for too long have the thought that regardless of how dangerous things sound people will move out of the way because they are the press.

Hopefully a wakeup call for them. Not to mention it will hopefully prove to them how good they have it in the US where they can tar and feather people and even distort reality in stories but still feel safe.

FleshBomb said:
Especially when it’s a celebration by a bunch of peace loving, freedom wanting, MUSLIMS. And we think these animals are going to evolve into a democratic society? Please.

Every society has scumbags in it. Case in point…..

http://abcnews.go.com/US/minutemen-vigilante-shawna-forde-guilty-deadly-arizona-home/story?id=12916893

Just think on some of the degradations of others in our own society before being so quick to dismiss others as “animals.”

Godspeed to her.

Obviously, however, according to the Democratic Left, the people who reported this story must be Islamaphobic! – Isn’t that what the left says about anyone criticizing any Muslim?

Isn’t it that same politically-correct coersion by the Democratic Left – and THEIR Media – that killed those innocent soldiers at Ft. Bragg?

Are you going to let the Democratic Left get away with more of this dysfunctional PC mentality?

im_lovin_it said:
Every society has scumbags in it. Case in point….. http://abcnews.go.com/US/minutemen-vigilante-shawna-forde-guilty-deadly-arizona-home/story?id=12916893 Just think on some of the degradations of others in our own society before being so quick to dismiss others as “animals.”

The Laker “celebrations” come immediately to mind!

Jesus Christ, won’t these “journalists” get a clue? It’s a f0cking unruly mob! Not exactly a good idea to get right in the middle of one — not to mention completely unnecessary. Did Anderson Cooper getting attacked TWICE (and then bragging about it for ratings) not serve as enough of a warning? Well actually, his TWO incidents proved that these people aren’t victims, they’re narcissists.

What the hell kind of security did she have??? They don’t seem to have done their job. I hope the are nolonger employed as a “security” team.

sarainitaly said:
i don’t want this to sound like i am laying ANY blame on her, I’m not, but being a blonde petite American woman, she should not have been there – over excited crowds like that are dangerous. especially when they are men who tend to not respect women.

She’s South African. Have you ever heard her speak?

I hope she is okay and she can recover emotionally from the horror. She is a very strong person.

Now as to her attackers…why would they be referred to just as “a dangerous element”? The media very freely claimed the previous acts of violence as being carried out by “pro-Mubarak thugs”, but now the perpetrators of this brutal assault must not be allied with any group for some reason. It just doesn’t jibe with the “peaceful, jubilant demonstrators” narrative which the media worked so hard to cultivate.

What happened to Miss Logan is happening alarmingly frequent in Britain in attacks against girls as young as 13. But don’t expect to hear about this from our media because the carloads of rapists that drive around looking for victims are “Asians” (read Muslims from the near east, Pakistan) who specifically target white girls because it is their belief that the white girls “deserve it”. Below is a link if you want to educate yourselves:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1344218/Asian-sex-gangs-Culture-silence-allows-grooming-white-girls-fear-racist.html

That is the mentality that caused the attack against Miss. Logan. But don’t you worry yourselves because Glenn Beck is a crazy man!

muslims would NEVER do such a horrible thing. She’s lying.

Btw, I hear the muslim brohood is planning a huuuuuuge political party. A celebration so to speak. Interesting.

Pablo said:
No, she’s South African. And noting she was in a dangerous situation that she probably shouldn’t have been in is not quite the same as saying her skirt was too short. She’s got great big balls, and she’s been in worse places. But the odds of such a situation going bad on you are pretty high. I’m sure she understood the risk.

I think your response should be directed to sarainitaly. She said she shouldn’t have been there because she is, “blond petite American woman.” I corrected myself before your post about her country of birth.

tatboy said:
What the hell kind of security did she have??? They don’t seem to have done their job. I hope the are nolonger employed as a “security” team.

I wonder if she was one of the ones revering to the “protesters” as “youths?”

nice_thought said:
First off she is British. Second of all, you sound like that Imam in Australia who blamed rape victims of commiting crime by wearing short miniskirts.

she’s south african. i assumed she was american, because she worked for CBS, and is married to an american.
piss off, i am not blaming her. I said it was a dangerous situation, and she shouldn’t have been there.
and considering she was sexually assaulted, i was right.
hardly the same thing as blaming someone because they wore a short skirt.

im_lovin_it said:
Every society has scumbags in it. Case in point…..

http://abcnews.go.com/US/minutemen-vigilante-shawna-forde-guilty-deadly-arizona-home/story?id=12916893

Just think on some of the degradations of others in our own society before being so quick to dismiss others as “animals.”

Give me a break with you moral equivilancy BS. Like I said earlier, if she wouldn’t have been rescued by other WOMEN the men would have stoned her to death for the crime of being raped. We aren’t talking about a couple of savages here and there. It’s the majority of Muslim men in the middle east that behave and think this way.

I shouldn’t dismiss them as animals though. That’s an insult to Animals.

Tony Westover said:
She’s South African. Have you ever heard her speak?

nope.

I remember her from the scandal with that other reporter. That Australian guy she blew in Iraq. I remember just days prior she was detained from leaving and I thought that some gang there was probably going to get at her. It sucks that CBS says there will be no more comment. Just brush such an unspeakable incident under the rug and wash your hands. That’s disgusting, this should be a huge story and open a dialogue of the safety of reporters or Americans in other countries, and whether this free country chaos actually works other places. A brutal and sustained sexual assault means gang rape. And I bet everyone involved will never see the gavel of justice.

Lara has always been one of the most courageous and enterprising reporters bar none. The fact that she is a female covering important and sometimes dangerous stories in often sexist lands makes her that much more so. But this story just makes me so sick and angry. I am sick for her. I am sick for every woman I know and care about and I am sick for humanity. Lara I don’t know you personally but you made all journalists proud before this happened and now you must know that so many of of us are thinking about and admiring your bravery. I truly hope you are ok and will pray for your return to your life and your amazing and inspiring career.

The Third World is no place for an attractive female journalist, particularly one who is white and blond. She is actually lucky it wasn’t worse. This modern day Egypt might as well be Haiti. The Nordic influence is all in the past, all they have now of worth are the great pyramids. Sad

sarainitaly said:
she’s south african. i assumed she was american, because she worked for CBS, and is married to an american.
piss off, i am not blaming her. I said it was a dangerous situation, and she shouldn’t have been there.
and considering she was sexually assaulted, i was right.
hardly the same thing as blaming someone because they wore a short skirt.

It’s not about whether u are right or wrong Italian lady! It’s not about you at all. Don’t take it personally.

sarainitaly said:
nope.

She has a pretty distinct accent if you ever hear her.

But if you’re not watching CBS “News”, that’s a good thing :-)

Booom!! Whole new revenue source for Blackwater or whatever they’re called now.

sarainitaly said:
she’s south african. i assumed she was american, because she worked for CBS, and is married to an american.

and i included *american* because of all the anti-american sentiment we heard coming from Egyptians as broadcast on CNN, and other networks.

@eruptor75 don’t lecture her or anyone else on what an “attractive female journalist” ought to do or not do. She was lucky it wasn’t worse? If we banned people for bad taste and/or infuriating and ignorant comments you would be gone.

Tony Westover said:
She has a pretty distinct accent if you ever hear her.

But if you’re not watching CBS “News”, that’s a good thing :-)

i never watch CBS. ever. it’s not even on my radar.

She was doing her job. She knew the risks. Very sorry to hear this and I wish her a speedy recovery although I’m not exactly sure what “sexual assault” is in this context. I mean, that could be anything from some dude groping her to forcible vaginal penetration aka rape. We will know later what actually happened.

Dan Abrams said:
Lara has always been one of the most courageous and enterprising reporters bar none. The fact that she is a female covering important and sometimes dangerous stories in often sexist lands makes her that much more so. But this story just makes me so sick and angry. I am sick for her. I am sick for every woman I know and care about and I am sick for humanity. Lara I don’t know you personally but you made all journalists proud before this happened and now you must know that so many of of us are thinking about and admiring your bravery. I truly hope you are ok and will pray for your return to your life and your amazing and inspiring career.

Dan, I hope this story will make other journalist think twice for the absolute pom-pom cheer leading that went on during these protests. These people might not be who you (journalist) think they are. At the same time this was happening to Lara you had Nic Robertson from CNN trying to get any Egyptian he could to give Obama some props!

Maybe this will be the wake up call the media needed. I pray that Lara recovers both physically and mentally. It will be a rough time for her.

Dan Abrams said:
Lara has always been one of the most courageous and enterprising reporters bar none. The fact that she is a female covering important and sometimes dangerous stories in often sexist lands makes her that much more so. But this story just makes me so sick and angry. I am sick for her. I am sick for every woman I know and care about and I am sick for humanity. Lara I don’t know you personally but you made all journalists proud before this happened and now you must know that so many of of us are thinking about and admiring your bravery. I truly hope you are ok and will pray for your return to your life and your amazing and inspiring career.

Courageous?

She’s not saving puppies from a burning building here. She’s needlessly reporting from the middle of a mob for RATINGS. Just because she unfortunately suffered the consequences of her reckless actions doesn’t all of the sudden make her courageous.

We will know later what actually happened.

———–

Yea, I’m sure the muslim brohood has a crack investigation team ALL over this…

I apologize for my earlier post. I guess I didn’t consider how severe this could be. I was thinking maybe she got inapproriately grabbed while she was moving to safety. I hope she’s okay, bunch of animals over there.

sarainitaly said:
and i included *american* because of all the anti-american sentiment we heard coming from Egyptians as broadcast on CNN, and other networks.

The Egyptians apparently consider Americans to be a nationality rather than an ethnicity. Case in point, Christiane Amanpour, who has a very thick accent, didn’t fool the Egyptian protesters. They knew she was representing America and they hated her.

@fleshbomb somehow you make this political? shame on you. @tonywestover I know it may be hard for you to understand but while you and I are pontificating from home she is doing what reporters do . . reporting. . .. These comments questioning her are beyond inappropriate.

FleshBomb said:
Democracy to follow! Cause you know. These people were just freedom wanting protesters. Thankfully she was rescued before she could be stoned or lashed for allowing herself to be sexually assaulted!

One bad apple doesn’t spoil the bunch.

Fox News reporters got beat down, the 360 spin guy got beat down, this woman gets brutally assaulted….they’re only “youth protesters” right?

These savages that were running amuck were all sent there by a-jad through the muslim brohood.

“Change!”

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
One bad apple doesn’t spoil the bunch.

Oh… My… God. Just when you think you’ve seen it all…

Eruptor75 said:
The Third World is no place for an attractive female journalist, particularly one who is white and blond. She is actually lucky it wasn’t worse. This modern day Egypt might as well be Haiti. The Nordic influence is all in the past, all they have now of worth are the great pyramids. Sad

Do you have any idea how racist this sounds?

Wow…..something absolutely horrible happened and this topic is already flooded with people either blaming and belittling the victim as well as demonizing a religion with over one billion followers.

How depressing. Feel free to flame this post, too, I guess.

All the best Lara.

God speed, Lara.

I have to say I have no response to any of these comments, and I’ll simply offer my prayers to Ms. Logan. I am sickened, embarrassed and angry by so many of these comments, and I really feel like I need to take a long hot shower.

I do feel very bad for her and hope she is ok.

But what do you expect when you interject yourself into a riot? I did that once and it was a mistake.

In Cincinnati, 2001, the “Tim Thomas riots. Here’s the Wiki I was just taking pictures.

It’s not safe.

Tony Westover said:
Courageous?

She’s not saving puppies from a burning building here. She’s needlessly reporting from the middle of a mob for RATINGS. Just because she unfortunately suffered the consequences of her reckless actions doesn’t all of the sudden make her courageous.

If fox news had real journalists, you would know about what they do. But you are forgiven. ( sorry real journalists at fox, I know there are couple)

im_lovin_it said:
Wow…..something absolutely horrible happened and this topic is already flooded with people either blaming and belittling the victim as well as demonizing a religion with over one billion followers. How depressing. Feel free to flame this post, too, I guess. All the best Lara.

Absolutely right. This should be a moment to be thankful for Lara Logan’s contributions to journalism and hoping for a speedy recovery. It is astonishing that this terrible event presents some in this community the opportunity to present their lowest selves.

My thoughts go out to Miss Logan. Journalists like her provide an important service to us all, risking life and limb so that we may better understand the world in which we live. Her courage in taking these risks should be unassailable. I hope that she makes a full recovery and returns as chief foreign correspondent for CBS.

Dan Abrams said:
@fleshbomb somehow you make this political? shame on you. @tonywestover I know it may be hard for you to understand but while you and I are pontificating from home she is doing what reporters do . . reporting. . .. These comments questioning her are beyond inappropriate.

How am I making it political? There’s no shame on me. Shame on the savages that attacked her and shame on the media who cheered these people on when they have no idea who these people actually are.

We now know that a large group of them weren’t peaceful protesters but sexual predators. Of course that gets in the way of the narrative doesn’t it.

Dan Abrams said:
@fleshbomb somehow you make this political? shame on you. @tonywestover I know it may be hard for you to understand but while you and I are pontificating from home she is doing what reporters do . . reporting. . .. These comments questioning her are beyond inappropriate.

You are aware that you’re not going to find enlightened discussion in the comment sections of blogs, right? You’re obviously and rightfully upset over what happened to your colleague. You’d probably find a better outlet for how you’re feeling by being in the company of your colleagues, instead of allowing blog commenters to anger you.

nice_thought said:
Don’t take it personally.

i took it personally when you made your comment that i sounded like some jackass who was blaming rape victims for wearing too short of skirts.

large, excited, crowds can be very dangerous places. especially ones that have already attacked many reporters, and who yell anti-american sentiments into the cameras. sure, reporters are free to go there, but in my opinion, they shouldn’t. too dangerous, and volatile.

The Real Royal King said:
I have to say I have no response to any of these comments, and I’ll simply offer my prayers to Ms. Logan. I am sickened, embarrassed and angry by so many of these comments, and I really feel like I need to take a long hot shower.

Don’t be so weak, friend!

nice_thought said:
Tony Westover said:
Courageous?

She’s not saving puppies from a burning building here. She’s needlessly reporting from the middle of a mob for RATINGS. Just because she unfortunately suffered the consequences of her reckless actions doesn’t all of the sudden make her courageous.

If fox news had real journalists, you would know about what they do. But you are forgiven. ( sorry real journalists at fox, I know there are couple)

Completely and utterly irrelevant regarding my comment that you quoted. So basically you’re pissed that I’m making a very valid point in my post and you have no retort.

Dan Abrams said:
@eruptor75 don’t lecture her or anyone else on what an “attractive female journalist” ought to do or not do. She was lucky it wasn’t worse? If we banned people for bad taste and/or infuriating and ignorant comments you would be gone.

I agree, Sometimes I just Erupt. I meant she was lucky if she escaped before being raped. I pray that she did.

FleshBomb said:

Bingo.

sarainitaly said:
i took it personally when you made your comment that i sounded like some jackass who was blaming rape victims for wearing too short of skirts.

large, excited, crowds can be very dangerous places. especially ones that have already attacked many reporters, and who yell anti-american sentiments into the cameras. sure, reporters are free to go there, but in my opinion, they shouldn’t. too dangerous, and volatile.

You do have a tendency to say terribly inappropriate things simply to feel wanted and included. I don’t ascribe any malicious intent to you in this matter, but I would suggest you use more discretion in your gratuitous comments.

OxyCon said:
I hope she is okay and she can recover emotionally from the horror. She is a very strong person. Now as to her attackers…why would they be referred to just as “a dangerous element”? The media very freely claimed the previous acts of violence as being carried out by “pro-Mubarak thugs”, but now the perpetrators of this brutal assault must not be allied with any group for some reason. It just doesn’t jibe with the “peaceful, jubilant demonstrators” narrative which the media worked so hard to cultivate. What happened to Miss Logan is happening alarmingly frequent in Britain in attacks against girls as young as 13. But don’t expect to hear about this from our media because the carloads of rapists that drive around looking for victims are “Asians” (read Muslims from the near east, Pakistan) who specifically target white girls because it is their belief that the white girls “deserve it”. Below is a link if you want to educate yourselves:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1344218/Asian-sex-gangs-Culture-silence-allows-grooming-white-girls-fear-racist.html That is the mentality that caused the attack against Miss. Logan. But don’t you worry yourselves because Glenn Beck is a crazy man!

A cogent, well-presented argument.

I learned a very hard lesson. Things happen very fast. Someone spray painted me with aeresol paint in the eyes, I got hit with baseball bats and eventually lost my camera. I tried to get to a hospital and almost got dragged out of my car.

It was a lesson learned.

sarainitaly said:
i took it personally when you made your comment that i sounded like some jackass who was blaming rape victims for wearing too short of skirts.

large, excited, crowds can be very dangerous places. especially ones that have already attacked many reporters, and who yell anti-american sentiments into the cameras. sure, reporters are free to go there, but in my opinion, they shouldn’t. too dangerous, and volatile.

Just an anecdote. Wasn’t really comparing you to that jackass. Sorry!

nice_thought said:
Just an anecdote. Wasn’t really comparing you to that jackass. Sorry!

Most gracious.

FleshBomb said:
Especially when it’s a celebration by a bunch of peace loving, freedom wanting, MUSLIMS. And we think these animals are going to evolve into a democratic society? Please.

Wow, I wish that I could give you a million downvotes. Women get assaulted like this all the time right here in the USA in situations where there’s big mobs of young men and no law and order present.

My point is simply, you need to know what you are doing….and it is not a remote shoot as always.

BruceGoose said:
Wow, I wish that I could give you a million downvotes. Women get assaulted like this all the time right here in the USA in situations where there’s big mobs of young men and no law and order present.

Damn straight.

The Real Royal King said:
I have to say I have no response to any of these comments

The Real Royal King said:
You do have a tendency to say terribly inappropriate things simply to feel wanted and included. I don’t ascribe any malicious intent to you in this matter, but I would suggest you use more discretion in your gratuitous comments.

you should have stuck to your original comment. but no, you have to inject your ugly (off topic) hatred towards me into a post about a poor woman who was attacked. shame on you.

Mobs are frightening

BruceGoose said:
Wow, I wish that I could give you a million downvotes. Women get assaulted like this all the time right here in the USA in situations where there’s big mobs of young men and no law and order present.

Very well said.

I can’t believe some of the comments I’m reading here. Blonde or not, attractive or not, female or not, Lara Logan was doing a critical job in Egypt, the job she’s worked her entire life to do, and there’s nothing about her being there that was wrong or stupid or inappropriate.

I would like to know who her security crew was and what happened there, but I don’t think we’ll ever get the truth on that.

I hope for her that she gets the peace she needs right now and the treatment both physical and mental that she will require to come back from this.

http://iamatvjunkie.typepad.com/i_am_a_tv_junkie_a_blog_f/2011/02/this-horrible-and-disturbing-lara-logan-news-cbs-reporter-brutalized-in-egypt.html

Shame on the media for portraying those “protesters” as well intentioned people when they were anything, but. If this woman bled the blood is on obamas hands.

Dan Abrams said:
@tonywestover I know it may be hard for you to understand but while you and I are pontificating from home she is doing what reporters do . . reporting.

She’s needlessly reporting from a known dangerous place for RATINGS. It doesn’t make her courageous, it makes her hungry for that little bit of exclusivity that journalists (or “journalists” would be more appropriate) strive for. Do you think we’d learn any more or less from the situation if she was reporting from a balcony up in a building as opposed to right in the middle of a friggin’ mob? I mean are these people leaving their brains at customs or something?

Dan Abrams said:
These comments questioning her are beyond inappropriate.

No they’re not. EVERY reporter’s motives are perfectly appropriate to question.

Comments saying that she was asking for it because she was in the middle of a mob are perfectly appropriate.

Comments saying that she was asking before it because she’s a female are completely inappropriate.

sarainitaly said:
you should have stuck to your original comment. but no, you have to inject your ugly (off topic) hatred towards me into a post about a poor woman who was attacked. shame on you.

Yes, it’s always about you. I’ll pray for you tonight as I pray for Ms. Logan. Otherwise, I have no interest in your vanity for now.

sarainitaly said:
you should have stuck to your original comment. but no, you have to inject your ugly (off topic) hatred towards me into a post about a poor woman who was attacked. shame on you.

She’s only proving what a hypocrite she is.

Olby Sucks said:
Shame on the media for portraying those “protesters” as well intentioned people when they were anything, but. If this woman bled the blood is on obamas hands.

You are the vilest sort of trash.

Joe Bua said:
I can’t believe some of the comments I’m reading here. Blonde or not, attractive or not, female or not, Lara Logan was doing a critical job in Egypt, the job she’s worked her entire life to do, and there’s nothing about her being there that was wrong or stupid or inappropriate.

I would like to know who her security crew was and what happened there, but I don’t think we’ll ever get the truth on that.

I hope for her that she gets the peace she needs right now and the treatment both physical and mental that she will require to come back from this.

http://iamatvjunkie.typepad.com/i_am_a_tv_junkie_a_blog_f/2011/02/this-horrible-and-disturbing-lara-logan-news-cbs-reporter-brutalized-in-egypt.html

I agree with what you say, but sometimes the producers are putting their people in harms way.

I’m not saying “she deserved it” at all.

But what did she expect? That she’d be treated differently?

It’s a mob.

It is ignorant to make this an “us against them situation” The situation is horrible and tragic and this could (and does) happen in our own backyards.

A quick google search turned up the following RECENT story.

http://www.kpsplocal2.com/mostpopular/story/Banning-Middle-Schoolers-Accused-of-Gang-Raping/ZVclw_0elU-2j3BUeNgkzQ.cspx

The horrible treatment of women is not only found in “other” countries.

BruceGoose said:
Wow, I wish that I could give you a million downvotes. Women get assaulted like this all the time right here in the USA in situations where there’s big mobs of young men and no law and order present.

Show me ONE example of peaceful, democracy loving, freedom wanting protesters (the medias narrative for what was happening in Egypt) in the USA that attacked a women and had to be rescued by other women. Just one. It happens all the time so you should have no trouble giving me just ONE example, right?

BruceGoose said:
right here in the USA in situations where there’s big mobs of young men and no law and order present.

true, which was my point – large excited crowds are dangerous places.

nice_thought said:
Second of all, you sound like that Imam in Australia who blamed rape victims of commiting crime by wearing short miniskirts.

nice_thought said:
Just an anecdote. Wasn’t really comparing you to that jackass. Sorry!

Thank you for the apology. I don’t know how i misconstrued your comment, but if that was not your intent, I apologize as well. I do not blame rape victims. I do however, shy away from dangerous large groups of men.

The horrible treatment of women is not only found in “other” countries.

———-

Did anybody say that? Are you apologising for what happened? Seems that way. Are you muslim?

Seriously, if you whip up enough young men into a mob and let them get worked up into a frenzy….that could be soccer matches, riots, mosh pits.

And then have a reporter interview the particpants…that is a simple recipe for stupid actions.

lazzzlo said:
I agree with what you say, but sometimes the producers are putting their people in harms way.

I’m not saying “she deserved it” at all.

But what did she expect? That she’d be treated differently?

It’s a mob.

It was a mob? Cause the media kept telling us these were peaceful freedom loving democrats. Weird.

Look at these people who were all rapey.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110215/ap_on_go_ot/us_military_sexual_abuse

Can we stop with the anti-Muslim crap now please?

Tony Westover said:
The Egyptians apparently consider Americans to be a nationality rather than an ethnicity. Case in point, Christiane Amanpour, who has a very thick accent, didn’t fool the Egyptian protesters. They knew she was representing America and they hated her.

This is false. Amanpour does not have an American accent. So your point makes NO sense. She has a British accent. The pro-Mubarak goons were bellicose towards her because she was part of the media and they had been told (or believed) that the media was part to blame if not the reason for the upheaval that eventually led to Mubarak’s ouster. Your post is disingenuous trying to infer that Amanpour was attempting to be an impostor.

FleshBomb said:
Show me ONE example of peaceful, democracy loving, freedom wanting protesters (the medias narrative for what was happening in Egypt) in the USA that attacked a women and had to be rescued by other women. Just one. It happens all the time so you should have no trouble giving me just ONE example, right?

i don’t know about any protests ending in this result, but group rapes and assaults are not uncommon.

lazzzlo said:
Seriously, if you whip up enough young men into a mob and let them get worked up into a frenzy….that could be soccer matches, riots, mosh pits.

And then have a reporter interview the particpants…that is a simple recipe for stupid actions.

This wasn’t a mob, though. CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, etc. kept telling us these were peaceful protesters wanting democracy. I never heard them mention one damn thing about it being a soccer match.

FleshBomb said:
Especially when it’s a celebration by a bunch of peace loving, freedom wanting, MUSLIMS. And we think these animals are going to evolve into a democratic society? Please.

Weren’t the people who saved her also muslims???

Gasket said:
Christiane Amanpour, who has a very thick accent, didn’t fool the Egyptian protesters. They knew she was representing America and they hated her.

This is false. Amanpour does not have an American accent.

he didn’t say she did. he said they knew she was representing America, despite her heavy accent.

Amanpour does not have an American accent.

———–

Who said that? Nobody. Jeez.

Joe Bua said:
Lara Logan was doing a critical job in Egypt, the job she’s worked her entire life to do, and there’s nothing about her being there that was wrong or stupid or inappropriate.

I would like to know who her security crew was and what happened there, but I don’t think we’ll ever get the truth on that.

There’s where the stupid/inappropriate part comes in. Where was her security? Or was she there without any? She’s a very gutsy lady, but as a wise man used to tell me, there’s a fine line between balls and brains. She should not have been there without the company of a couple of very large guys. Otherwise, one minute you’re a journalist, the next you’re a playtoy for the angry mob. I hope she’s recuperating well. She’s a great reporter.

Alright…how about we describe the large crowd grouped together as a “bunch of like-minded people all singing the same songs together while dancing up and down”.

tatboy said:
Weren’t the people who saved her also muslims???

I believe they were.

sarainitaly said:
i don’t know about any protests ending in this result, but group rapes and assaults are not uncommon.

I’ll spell this out for you. My point isn’t about group rape. It’s about the US media’s narrative that this was a peaceful democracy wanting protest. My point is maybe that isn’t the case and the media should have been doing their job and investigating who these people really are.

Maybe someone out there isn’t a complete nut case after all. You know, the one guy who didn’t just go along with the media narrative and is actually investigating the players involved.

Gasket said:
Tony Westover said:
The Egyptians apparently consider Americans to be a nationality rather than an ethnicity. Case in point, Christiane Amanpour, who has a very thick accent, didn’t fool the Egyptian protesters. They knew she was representing America and they hated her.

This is false. Amanpour does not have an American accent. So your point makes NO sense. She has a British accent.

No duh. You’re apparently just looking for a reason to disagree with me because the fact that she speaks with a thick non-American accent PROVES MY POINT that the Egyptian protesters judge Americans as a nation rather than as an ethnicity or tribe.

Gasket said:
The pro-Mubarak goons were bellicose towards her because she was part of the media and they had been told (or believed) that the media was part to blame if not the reason for the upheaval that eventually led to Mubarak’s ouster. Your post is disingenuous trying to infer that Amanpour was attempting to be an impostor.

Pretty much all Egyptians, pro- and anti-Mubarak hate you, me, and especially Christiane Amanpour. America’s given his regime billions of dollars for decades. They could give a shit about our differences, we’re all the same to them and represent the same thing.

Pablo said:
Otherwise, one minute you’re a journalist, the next you’re a playtoy for the angry mob.

Nope, they weren’t a mob.

tatboy said:
FleshBomb said:
Especially when it’s a celebration by a bunch of peace loving, freedom wanting, MUSLIMS. And we think these animals are going to evolve into a democratic society? Please.

Weren’t the people who saved her also muslims???

Yes. FEMALE muslims who have been brutalized by sharia law for centuries now. The men? Not so much.

Tony Westover said:
Egyptian protesters judge Americans as a nation rather than as an ethnicity or tribe.

There is an interesting point.

Very sad. The news outlets need to use more discretion when deciding whom to send into certain areas. Women in many countries aren’t regarded as highly as they are in the Western world. It’s just a fact.

lazzzlo said:
I agree with what you say, but sometimes the producers are putting their people in harms way.

I’m not saying “she deserved it” at all.

But what did she expect? That she’d be treated differently?

It’s a mob.

isn’t that what bill oreilly said? “i’m not saying the girl should have been raped, but did you see the way she was dressed?”

Joe Bua said:
Blonde or not, attractive or not, female or not, Lara Logan was doing a critical job in Egypt, the job she’s worked her entire life to do, and there’s nothing about her being there that was wrong or stupid or inappropriate.

blonde has a lot to do with it. have you ever tried being an attractive blonde walking down the street in Egypt? female has everything to do with it.

U.S. travel officials warn female citizens that they are “vulnerable to sexual harassment and verbal abuse” when traveling unescorted in Egypt. In a survey released by the Egyptian Center for Women’s Rights over the summer, 98 percent of foreign women and 83 percent of Egyptian women reported that they’d been sexually harassed in the country.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/travel/rss/6269434.html

she can go there, and do her job. but it is dangerous….

Dan Abrams said:
@fleshbomb somehow you make this political? shame on you. @tonywestover I know it may be hard for you to understand but while you and I are pontificating from home she is doing what reporters do . . reporting. . .. These comments questioning her are beyond inappropriate.

Oh, c’mon, Dan: A Fox reporter was almost killed, Cooper was beaten, several journalists were grinded or beaten…and you say that it’s not insane of this poor Lara to be amidst people who keeps saying that hates America and its society? And to articulate and think about it is a deservice to journalism.

The incident was dreadful. But, in terms of real journalism it has no value to be right there risking his life as if it was New Year’s Eve Madison Square. It must to be told!

FleshBomb said:
I’ll spell this out for you. My point isn’t about group rape. It’s about the US media’s narrative that this was a peaceful democracy wanting protest. My point is maybe that isn’t the case and the media should have been doing their job and investigating who these people really are.

Maybe someone out there isn’t a complete nut case after all. You know, the one guy who didn’t just go along with the media narrative and is actually investigating the players involved.

dude, i am not arguing with you.

This is a story form June 2007 that everyone should read:
The Columbia Journalism Review

May / June 2007

Foreign correspondents and sexual abuse.

http://www.truth-out.org/article/judith-matloff-unspoken

ChiliPeppersFan said:
isn’t that what bill oreilly said? “i’m not saying the girl should have been raped, but did you see the way she was dressed?”

That’s not what I’m saying at all.

I don’t think the reporter should be put into the story.

sarainitaly said:
she’s south african. i assumed she was american, because she worked for CBS, and is married to an american.piss off, i am not blaming her. I said it was a dangerous situation, and she shouldn’t have been there.and considering she was sexually assaulted, i was right.hardly the same thing as blaming someone because they wore a short skirt.

If women want the same jobs/pay as men they need to work the same as men do. Take the same chances anf deal with whatever happens.

Middle Eastern gang rapes are disturbingly common. Both Australia and England have had major problems with roaming gangs of rapists from the middle east.When I mentioned her race earlier I did so because Blond women are highly sought after in that region in the white slave sex trade. I await my scolding from Abrams for pointing this out.

Olby Sucks said:
Shame on the media for portraying those “protesters” as well intentioned people when they were anything, but. If this woman bled the blood is on obamas hands.

wow dude…over the top much?

Olby Sucks said:
The horrible treatment of women is not only found in “other” countries.

———-

Did anybody say that? Are you apologising for what happened? Seems that way. Are you muslim?

I am not sure what you are inferring from my prior comment. Your statement makes no sense.

A horrible, unthinkable act happened and rather then think about the victim and wish her to heal you are being hateful and ugly, which does no good.

I will also not reply to you directly again we are done conversing.

It would be similar to sending a Jewish reporter to cover a neo-Nazi rally. The reporter has every right to be there and cover it, but common sense should overcome political correctness sometimes.

lazzzlo said:
I don’t think the reporter should be put into the story.

Sometimes it seems that the story can be told without the reporter or anchor physically in the midst of the chaos.
I don’t see how that kind of journalism is best served. It seems to focus the story on the reporter rather than the story.

I don’t wish harm on anyone.

BlackWidow said:
If women want the same jobs/pay as men they need to work the same as men do. Take the same chances anf deal with whatever happens.

i don’t think the men should have been down there either. look what happened to them.
perhaps i am just a bigger wussy than these reporters, but i see a large unruly crowd, i don’t march down into the center of it, because i know what very well could and does happen.

writer said:
It would be similar to sending a Jewish reporter to cover a neo-Nazi rally. The reporter has every right to be there and cover it, but common sense should overcome political correctness sometimes.

Bingo.

That would be a cautionary story and very dangerous.

I sure hope her next story to cover isn”t the feeding habits of great white sharks off the South African coast. Mind you we will be chumbing the water for 2 weeks so the sharks will be whipped up into a frenzy. I pray she doesn’t use the same judgement. Hopefully she takes some advice that its way too dangerous to get in the water.

sarainitaly said:
he didn’t say she did. he said they knew she was representing America, despite her heavy accent.

This is equivocation. Since when does a BRITISH accent imply that you are representing America?

Tony Westover said:
No duh. You’re apparently just looking for a reason to disagree with me because the fact that she speaks with a thick non-American accent PROVES MY POINT that the Egyptian protesters judge Americans as a nation rather than as an ethnicity or tribe.

I’m not simply looking a for a reason to argue. I’m challenging a viewpoint. Is that ok? You brought up Amanpour’s BRITISH accent to create a link between Egypt & America. I don’t see a causal link. You just invented one. There’s the media angle — which is very valid. I don’t see the accent angle and how she tried to “fool” them. After all, many Egyptians have relatives who live in the USA who support their causes. To infer their total indiscriminate “hatred” for ALL Americans makes no sense. I’m almost certain that Egyptians (especially the reformers) are more hostile towards the American GOVERNMENT (for propping and maintain a puppet regime) than it’s people.

Pretty much all Egyptians, pro- and anti-Mubarak hate you, me, and especially Christiane Amanpour. America’s given his regime billions of dollars for decades. They could give a shit about our differences, we’re all the same to them and represent the same thing.

While there’s some truth in this statement, the hyperbole deflects from it.

paulmdoro said:
That is extremely horrifying. Here’s hoping she fully recovers physically and emotionally.

Agreed.

treecutter said:
I sure hope her next story to cover isn”t the feeding habits of great white sharks off the South African coast. Mind you we will be chumbing the water for 2 weeks so the sharks will be whipped up into a frenzy. I pray she doesn’t use the same judgement. Hopefully she takes some advice that its way too dangerous to get in the water.

Actually, I live in the most shark infested waters off the US East coast. This happens every year once a few surfers get bit.

lazzzlo said:
Actually, I live in the most shark infested waters off the US East coast. This happens every year once a few surfers get bit.

Every reporter/producer wants to tell a story, get on a board and go hit the briny.

Good example.

Godspeed and good wishes to Ms. Logan for a full recovery.

BlackWidow said:
If women want the same jobs/pay as men they need to work the same as men do. Take the same chances anf deal with whatever happens.

In the short note from CBS News, there are no direct quotes from Ms. Logan and though the events are spelled out starkly, there’s not a word of complaint. Ms. Logan has been CBS’s Chief Foreign Affairs Correspondent for a number of years and over the past decade, she’s reported from war zones and hot spots all over the globe.

I’m sure she knows risk because she has faced it a lot of days.

BruceGoose said:
Wow, I wish that I could give you a million downvotes. Women get assaulted like this all the time right here in the USA in situations where there’s big mobs of young men and no law and order present.

Except for that minor fact that here in America, women usually don’t get gang raped as punishment from Allah for daring to dress modestly.

If I had a clue stick, I’d metaphorically beat you over the head with it a million times.

sarainitaly said:
oh my god, that is awful. horrible! i don’t want this to sound like i am laying ANY blame on her, I’m not, but being a blonde petite American woman, she should not have been there – over excited crowds like that are dangerous. especially when they are men who tend to not respect women. i hope she recovers physically, and emotionally.

Sorry but it does sound like you are blaming her.

Wow, I was just on youtube watching an interview with Lara and the comments were disgusting. I was offended by them, which should convey to you the cruelty of the comments. Definitely a higher class of people here at Mediaite.

sarainitaly said:
i don’t think the men should have been down there either. look what happened to them.perhaps i am just a bigger wussy than these reporters, but i see a large unruly crowd, i don’t march down into the center of it, because i know what very well could and does happen.

Well then who should be there reporting? Or do you not want to know what is going on?

BW, as lassslo said, a reporter can cover a shark attack without wading into the water.

BlackWidow said:
Well then who should be there reporting? Or do you not want to know what is going on?

Maybe a stringer…someone who is local.

Oh. Gee. I thought Mika Brzezinski on MSNBC said everything over there went just SWELL! Of course, Mika would still gush over this if it had been her instead of Lara.

ChrisNH said:
Oh. Gee. I thought Mika Brzezinski on MSNBC said everything over there went just SWELL! Of course, Mika would still gush over this if it had been her instead of Lara.

You’ve got to be completely brain dead. A woman is sexually assaulted and your sorry ass thinks its funny.

Gee, what happened to the comments?

Ahhh, yes. Love censorship

The news models and talking heads in their nice warm New York Fox studios should pay attention. This is what can happen to real journalists who cover the truth, not just repeat GOP talking points.

I thought maybe GBR’s bombshell had gone off.

Eerie interview with courageous CBS reporter Lara Logan just 4 days before her sexual assault by a mob in Egypt : http://j.mp/dPUrQR

It’s clear she shouldn’t have been there.. HOWEVER… now isn’t the time to repeat that and try to act like she’s stupid. She was sexually assaulted, she deserves your prayers, not your snarky comments. It’s pretty sickening reading some of this crap…. but free speech is free speech…

It is interesting that all of a sudden there is a moderator deleting comments….really. What happened here is horrific as anyone who reads this story can see, but all of a sudden there is some concern for the commentary? Why is that?

CNN and Anderson Cooper should be especially embarrassed about this; they made such a big deal out of him getting “roughed” up.

My thoughts and prayers will be with her for a full and complete recovery from this horrific incident.

Snowspot said:
but free speech is free speech…

No it’s not, not here at Dan Abram’s Mediaite. I’m apparently not allowed to point out CBS News’ failure to realize that Muslim societies hold neanderthal views towards women.

Grammie said:
Gee, what happened to the comments?

that was weird… i was getting ready to reply to you.

TfT said:
My thoughts and prayers will be with her for a full and complete recovery from this horrific incident.

My first post in this thread (since deleted) offered up my deepest sympathies and sincerest prayers.

If they’ll delete all of BFD’s comments, I think we all should be willing to take one for the team.

Democracy to follow! Cause you know. These people were just freedom wanting protesters. Thankfully she was rescued before she could be stoned or lashed for allowing herself to be sexually assaulted!

writer said:
If they’ll delete all of BFD’s comments, I think we all should be willing to take one for the team.

I concur. Thanks writer. Now, let’s get them to dispatch that curmudgeon in Austin and we’ll all be better off. :)

writer said:
If they’ll delete all of BFD’s comments, I think we all should be willing to take one for the team.

I’m with ya bro.

I guess my comments were out of line but it’s alright to talk about “being blond”.

Go figure.

To Mediaite:

Stop, Just Stop reporting on this. Leave this story alone. Let the woman get the help she needs in private.
Stop it NOW! Stop reporting on her in any form. Pretend it’s your sister, your wife or your mother. Back off.

Pull this story and the comments off the site. Just do it.

Danny Boy must have a soft spot for lara since he certainly didn’t stifle free speech on the other threads related to journalists getting attacked. Hmmmm Sorry Danny Boy, makes you no better than the current regime. Delete the opposing views. I am deleting this site from bookmarks and bidding farewell to Mediaite. You won’t miss me and I won’t miss you. Next time lara should consider not disrespecting the culture and wear a hinjab or burkah or whatever they make females wear in the wonderfully exuberant and joyous city of Cairo

cmdrgmh said:
To Mediaite:

Stop, Just Stop reporting on this. Leave this story alone. Let the woman get the help she needs in private.
Stop it NOW! Stop reporting on her in any form. Pretend it’s your sister, your wife or your mother. Back off.

Pull this story and the comments off the site. Just do it.

To Mediaite:

Ignore cmdrgmh. Just do it.

If nominated for moderator, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve.

screwauger said:
Danny Boy must have a soft spot for lara since he certainly didn’t stifle free speech on the other threads related to journalists getting attacked. Hmmmm Sorry Danny Boy, makes you no better than the current regime. Delete the opposing views. I am deleting this site from bookmarks and bidding farewell to Mediaite. You won’t miss me and I won’t miss you. Next time lara should consider not disrespecting the culture and wear a hinjab or burkah or whatever they make females wear in the wonderfully exuberant and joyous city of Cairo

You need to find a toilet, get in with the rest of the shit, close the lid and flush. No one would miss your pathetic ass.

Not sure why my comments were deleted. Was it because i said Anderson Cooper should not have been joking about his “pummeling” on Letterman and during his lecture in Florida while there were still journalists in harm’s way? Or maybe it was because i said that I was not surprised that this happened because there had already been attacks on women such as AC360′s producer Fox, CNN correspondent Gorani, and ABC’s Amanpour.
Or maybe it is because I pointed out that in general, Islamic countries do not respect women the way the west does.

Either way these are facts and I said nothing negative about Logan.

writer said:
If nominated for moderator, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve.

What exactly is funny about this thread?

Garth, the thread was cutting in and out in moderation. Try and keep up.

Garth said:
You need to find a toilet, get in with the rest of the shit, close the lid and flush. No one would miss your pathetic ass.

classy. stay classy.

Olby Sucks said:
classy. stay classy.

Moron, you have nothing to say about classy.

writer said:
Garth, the thread was cutting in and out in moderation. Try and keep up.

he was probably in the midst of changing names, cut him some slack.

She is one of the best reporters on the Middle east , Afghanistan and Pakistan- bar none.

Hope she will be back soon.

writer said:
Garth, the thread was cutting in and out in moderation. Try and keep up.

Are you and the rest of assholes who thinks that sexual assault against a woman is funny posting from prison?

Olby Sucks said:
he was probably in the midst of changing names, cut him some slack.

You two cell mates?

Never said sexual assault is funny, Garth. Was talking about the thread blipping in and out. Again, try and keep up.

notsofast said:
She is one of the best reporters on the Middle east , Afghanistan and Pakistan- bar none.

Hope she will be back soon.

On this point I couldn’t agree more.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
One bad apple doesn’t spoil the bunch.

No- but it takes only one to attack and rape a woman.

My comment was deleted as well LIbra, for some odd reason (I too mentioned Anderson and CNN’s stupidity in pumping up Anderson’s attack as if he was someone so special or something), and another poster said his/her prayerful commentary was deleted…why would anyone at mediaite find prayer offensive (oh never mind that question).

The selective deleting of comments was just plain non-sensical. They should have left them all or deleted them all.

For shame.

writer said:
Never said sexual assault is funny, Garth. Was talking about the thread blipping in and out. Again, try and keep up.

This isn’t about scoring points. A woman was brutally assaulted. Grow up.

writer said:
Never said sexual assault is funny, Garth. Was talking about the thread blipping in and out. Again, try and keep up.

He was bouncing back and forth from tp, too.

Trying to explain that to Garth. Garth, could you show me my post where I had anything but sympathy for Ms. Logan?

Garth said:
This isn’t about scoring points. A woman was brutally assaulted. Grow up.

She was brutally assaulted by muzzies. What say you?

Olby Sucks said:
She was brutally assaulted by muzzies. What say you?

I feel sorry for you. Sincerely.

I still believe that many famous people including journalists and celebs think they are “untouchable” which causes them to have a false sense of security and some of them become careless and even reckless.

I am not saying that happened here.

Why do “progressives” have such a hard time admitting the fact that muslims want to kill us? Weird. Just weird.

sarainitaly said:
that was weird… i was getting ready to reply to you.

.
I thought I only made two comments and I don’t see either one now.

Were you responding to the King Prayer Book one or the Muslim lady discussing the safety, or rather the lack thereof, of Muslim women from unrelated men?

Garth, needling Mediaite about their moderation tactics had nothing to do with my posts about Ms. Logan. Are you really that dumb, or are you just determined to criticize a conservative?

@TfT, “My comment was deleted as well LIbra, for some odd reason (I too mentioned Anderson and CNN’s stupidity in pumping up Anderson’s attack as if he was someone so special or something)”

Yeah, they are pretty protective of Anderson over here. FYI, I tweeted Tommy Christopher asking why the comments were deleted. This was his response:

“tommyxtopher @LibraBlue yes. Commenting is a privilege.”

Dan Abrams said:
Lara has always been one of the most courageous and enterprising reporters bar none. The fact that she is a female covering important and sometimes dangerous stories in often sexist lands makes her that much more so. But this story just makes me so sick and angry. I am sick for her. I am sick for every woman I know and care about and I am sick for humanity. Lara I don’t know you personally but you made all journalists proud before this happened and now you must know that so many of of us are thinking about and admiring your bravery. I truly hope you are ok and will pray for your return to your life and your amazing and inspiring career.

Dude it’s Dan Abrams!

Grammie said:
Gee, what happened to the comments?

I think they got blocked for a bit.

TfT said:
My comment was deleted as well LIbra, for some odd reason (I too mentioned Anderson and CNN’s stupidity in pumping up Anderson’s attack as if he was someone so special or something), and another poster said his/her prayerful commentary was deleted…why would anyone at mediaite find prayer offensive (oh never mind that question).

The selective deleting of comments was just plain non-sensical. They should have left them all or deleted them all.

For shame.

libra blue said:
@TfT, “My comment was deleted as well LIbra, for some odd reason (I too mentioned Anderson and CNN’s stupidity in pumping up Anderson’s attack as if he was someone so special or something)”

Yeah, they are pretty protective of Anderson over here. FYI, I tweeted Tommy Christopher asking why the comments were deleted. This was his response:

“tommyxtopher @LibraBlue yes. Commenting is a privilege.”

Everything posted from 5:48 to 6:29 (or thereabouts) got deleted. Don’t take it personally.

lazzzlo said:
I think they got blocked for a bit.

.
Except I got a message that said “Comment Section Closed” and it seemed that maybe as many as fifty comments at the end dropped off.

I would hope that we get some statement from someone representing Mediaite.

Judge Mental said:
Everything posted from 5:48 to 6:29 (or thereabouts) got deleted. Don’t take it personally.

Yes, it’s not personal; it’s just business.

Maybe it was a SQL error or maybe it was for us to take a moment.

It certainly works now.

notsofast said:
Yes, it’s not personal; it’s just business.

O/T

Did any of ya see the Godfather movie that was played over and over again this weekend? I have seen the Godfather II a number of times, but it was not until this weekend that I noticed that Danny Aiello had a very small role .

Of course, he will never recapture the fame he got for “Hudson Hawk.”

Pablo said:
She’s got great big balls, and she’s been in worse places.

True. But, from her perspective, this is probably the worst place she’s even been.

Pablo said:
But the odds of such a situation going bad on you are pretty high. I’m sure she understood the risk.

Gasket said:
She was doing her job. She knew the risks.

Not sure about that. I wouldn’t necessarily think I was risking sexual assault by inserting myself in the middle of a mob, particularly with a cameraman present. Given recent events, I would be concerned about potential physical assault, but not sexual assault.

Gasket said:
Very sorry to hear this and I wish her a speedy recovery although I’m not exactly sure what “sexual assault” is in this context. I mean, that could be anything from some dude groping her to forcible vaginal penetration aka rape.

It’s described as a “brutal and sustained sexual assault.” That hardly sounds like it could be “some dude groping her.”

GF2 was played multiple times over this weekend.

DeNiro’s character is awesome. He says nothing; everyone else just falters instead.

With the Godfather franchise, the third time was definitely not the charm.

The three-weeks of protests that preceded Mubarak’s ouster were notable for the inclusion of women among large crowds of men, a sight uncommon at similar demonstrations in Arab countries for fear of attacks.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/lara-logan-hospitalized-sexually-attacked-egypt-protesters-celebration/story?id=12925235&page=1

Judge Mental said:
It’s described as a “brutal and sustained sexual assault.” That hardly sounds like it could be “some dude groping her.”

Clinical descriptions probably don’t equate with personal feelings.

lazzzlo said:
DeNiro’s character is awesome. He says nothing; everyone else just falters instead.

GT III- one of the worst movies, filled with the abominable over-acting of Pacino.

writer said:
With the Godfather franchise, the third time was definitely not the charm.

But it was so over the top, it was kinda fun!

I though maybe i’d link all the people here who joked about her using sexual favors to escape her previous imprisonment in Egypt, but you know who you are.

Perhaps the moderators would provide us a better forum than what should be a get well card for Ms. Logan, but as the stories about the attacks on media have surfaced, it seems a lot of commenters confuse reporting for complaining.

As I said in my previous comment, CBSNews released a statement containing no direct quotes and no complaints, but because they didn’t remain quiet and chose to ask for the public’s respect rather than risk tabloid intrusion, the statement is interpreted to imply that Ms. Logan — an experienced reporter with an impressive body of work — and her producers weren’t prepared for the job.

Again, I wish her a quick and full recovery.

writer said:
With the Godfather franchise, the third time was definitely not the charm.

If I hear the words “family” or “respect”, I immediately think of Pacino’s horrible acting. The producers didn’t want him in the first GF- but FFC convinced them to keep him.

lazzzlo said:
writer said:
With the Godfather franchise, the third time was definitely not the charm.

Until Sofia Coppolla died her “dramatic”death on the opera house stairs…I thought it was basically ok.

But that was silly.

Garth said:
This isn’t about scoring points. A woman was brutally assaulted. Grow up.

Well let’s just see if she trots her blonde little journalistic self over to Iran within the next month and puts herself in harms way again. If she gets assaulted again is she still your brave hero or just a reporter with extremely bad judgement? Maybe she can go into Harlem or South Central L.A. after dark and ask if the people are satisfied with the amount of jobs out there.

notsofast said:
If I hear the words “family” or “respect”, I immediately think of Pacino’s horrible acting.

Thank you…Al Pacino plays the same characters he has always played…over and over and over again.

So does Robert DeNiro…but AMC is playing Taxi Driver with limited commercial interruption.

“Travis Bickle” is a very wierd f*cking character.

This is a sad story on an enormous victory celebration. As we all know, it can be dangerous in any part of the world, at any time, and it only takes a few to make the rest look bad. What I found inspiring about this story was Lara was “…saved by a group of women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers…” These brave Egyptian people have done it again. I hope Lara makes a full recovery and returns soon.

Clarification: If I could edit, I’d alter my last comment to make clear that I’m not saying that suffering an assault of any kind is a reporter’s job, but on some stories and in some situations, it has to be a recognized risk.

Judge Mental said:
Not sure about that. I wouldn’t necessarily think I was risking sexual assault by inserting myself in the middle of a mob, particularly with a cameraman present.

No one can find the police. Several journos had already been attacked. There is an enormous mob of people, mainly young guys. She’s a pretty little blonde, quasi-American girl. A VERY pretty little blonde, etc… A cameraman is not enough protection in that situation. This should not have happened.

treecutter said:
Well let’s just see if she trots her blonde little journalistic self over to Iran within the next month and puts herself in harms way again.

She already been in some very heavy shit, prior to this. She’s spent years embedded in Afghanistan and Iraq, including a very hairy stint in Sadr City. Lara Logan is no rookie and she’s no cream puff. She’s a very good, very ballsy reporter. But someone made a bad call here*, and it looks like it was probably her. I’d really like to know what kind of crew she went in there with.

*The scumbags that did this to her made the worst call, of course. But elements like that should have been expected and prepared for.

Pablo said:
No one can find the police. Several journos had already been attacked. There is an enormous mob of people, mainly young guys. She’s a pretty little blonde, quasi-American girl. A VERY pretty little blonde, etc… A cameraman is not enough protection in that situation. This should not have happened.

I agree. I just don’t think sexual assault was a risk that she foresaw.

Judge Mental said:
I agree. I just don’t think sexual assault was a risk that she foresaw.

While I fully understand and sympathize with the extra weight that sexual assault carries, the fact that you weren’t sexually assaulted isn’t much comfort if you’re being beaten to death. Frankly, anywhere she goes that’s kinda lawless, sexual assault should most definitely be a matter of concern for her and for her producers. The thought of sending her into a mob scene in the Middle East without considering the possibility that she might not be treated with far less respect than we’re used to women being treated with is negligence.

She’s extremely hawt, and clearly a foreigner. You don’t toss her into an Egyptian sea of testosterone with nothing more than a guy to take pictures. You just don’t.

Judge Mental said:
I agree. I just don’t think sexual assault was a risk that she foresaw.

Going in crowds in the hundreds of thousands, 300 people killed (which she had to know about), almost all angry men who don’t have a great track record in regards to their respect or treatment of women and she didn’t think for beforehand about her safety. Yes she is very brave but might not be the sharpest tool in the shed. She is very lucky to be alive. I still ask at what point do you question her judgement? I am white and I know not to run around the crime ridden projects handing out Mccain/Palin bumper stickers. I believe with places and people like this (3rd world starved, underpaid, beaten down peasants) they she film and report from afar. A. Cooper could have reported the same story without getting his ass kicked. At some point you enter at your own risk. Hopefully she will step back and reconsider putting herself in that position again. She deserves better.

Pablo said:
She’s extremely hawt, and clearly a foreigner. You don’t toss her into an Egyptian sea of testosterone with nothing more than a guy to take pictures. You just don’t.

I’m sure she tossed herself.

She’s a strong person, an experienced, dedicated reporter and as we’ve learned from the other post, she returned to Egypt after being detained, perhaps ill-treated by the authorities. So, she flew back into the hornet’s nest because that’s where she could find the story.

Magister said:
I’m sure she tossed herself.

She’s a strong person, an experienced, dedicated reporter and as we’ve learned from the other post, she returned to Egypt after being detained, perhaps ill-treated by the authorities. So, she flew back into the hornet’s nest because that’s where she could find the story.

I suspect you’re right. But what was she after here? Crowd reaction? You can do that from the edges with a number of large men watching your back.

Magister,

There is a line between being a reporter and a participant in a story.

You know that.

I don’t believe that anyone here wished the reporter ill will.

But you do have to be practical and careful.

Other than photo/live feeds from placement settings what benefit does the physical location of a “vulnerable” journalist benefit the story?

Another way to think about it is…what if the jubilant crowd that hoisted Harry Reid up multiple times had either dropped him or focused their enthusiasm differently?

I don’t know how the news/entertainment industry actually works as far as rewarding/compensating all these reporters that get in these crazy-dangerous-stupid situations. A.C. has his own show, I wonder if the other reporters are looking to be the next pundit with a show and a $14 milion contract. In this day and age of information and entertainment it only takes one little hit and you can become a star overnight. Just look at “pants on the groud” guy. Well maybe that’s a bad example but…….

More:

Logan was in the city’s Tahrir Square on Friday after Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak stepped down when she, her team and their security “were surrounded by a dangerous element amidst the celebration,” CBS said in a statement Tuesday.

The network described a mob of more than 200 people “whipped into a frenzy.”

Separated from her crew in the crush of the violent pack, she suffered what CBS called “a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating.” She was saved by a group of women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers, the network said. The Associated Press does not name victims of a sexual assault unless the victim agrees to it.

So it sounds like she got peeled off from the crew. That means the security people sucked at their job. Ugh.

Treecutter, you have some points.

I look at that picture again and all I can think is that you never take your girlfriend into a Clash mosh pit.

It’s not that she doesn’t or shouldn’t be there…it just doesn’t seem like it is a good idea.

lazzzlo said:
Magister, There is a line between being a reporter and a participant in a story. You know that. I don’t believe that anyone here wished the reporter ill will. But you do have to be practical and careful. Other than photo/live feeds from placement settings what benefit does the physical location of a “vulnerable” journalist benefit the story?

Exactly. REPORTER: “I am going into the lions cage here at the zoo to asks the hungry lions why they ate there trainer”. Notice to reporter: we know what the lions want, we know how they’ve acted in the past, and we’re pretty damn sure we know what they’re going to do. We’ve seen how these people treat their own people especially women. She’s American . Imagine that. I’m saddened by this but certainly not surprised.

My wishes for a speedy recovery go out to Lara and her family.

lazzzlo said:
There is a line between being a reporter and a participant in a story.
You know that.
I don’t believe that anyone here wished the reporter ill will.
But you do have to be practical and careful.
Other than photo/live feeds from placement settings what benefit does the physical location of a “vulnerable” journalist benefit the story?

As you’re probably aware from your mob scene, there’s a rush or adrenaline that comes from being at the center of the action. One might assume that her attackers may have been experiencing something similar, but being on the front lines seems to be something Ms. Logan craves and I have to say that as a viewer, I’d rather hear a report from the floor than from a skybox overlooking a convention hall.

In fact, I was glued to Al Jazeera for days, but when they were forced to start broadcasting a balcony camera and just taking just phone reports, I stopped watching it as closely and started paying more attention to CNN.

lazzzlo said:
Treecutter, you have some points. I look at that picture again and all I can think is that you never take your girlfriend into a Clash mosh pit. It’s not that she doesn’t or shouldn’t be there…it just doesn’t seem like it is a good idea.

Take the girlfriend in there???? Hell I don’t even go in there. The first and last time I did that it took me 15 minutes to get the hell out of it and I had bruised ribs, a busted kneecap, and a knot on the back of my head which I’m pretty sure connected with someones elbow.

treecutter said:
. REPORTER: “I am going into the lions cage here at the zoo to asks the hungry lions why they ate there trainer”.

Cutaway shot!

treecutter said:
Take the girlfriend in there???? Hell I don’t even go in there. The first and last time I did that it took me 15 minutes to get the hell out of it and I had bruised ribs, a busted kneecap, and a knot on the back of my head which I’m pretty sure connected with someones elbow.

Yeah, I came out pretty bloody myself…plus my girlfriend/wife/ex-wife got into it.

I hated that.

Reporters go into dangerous situations because that is the best way to obtain the necessary information to do their jobs. It is not a new phenomenon, they are not trying to land some TV gig worth millions of dollars. It is an honored and courageous tradition. Think of the journalists who were attached to army units in Vietnam. Most were newspaper or magazine reporters, there was no cable TV. Just as they risked their lives to report in that war zone, so to do today’s journalists, albeit using a different medium, venture into dangerous situations. We would be poorer without the journalists who are willing to risk their lives to allow us to learn.

Yikes!

Magister said:
As you’re probably aware from your mob scene, there’s a rush or adrenaline that comes from being at the center of the action.

I do understand that.

Magister said:
One might assume that her attackers may have been experiencing something similar, but being on the front lines seems to be something Ms. Logan craves and I have to say that as a viewer, I’d rather hear a report from the floor than from a skybox overlooking a convention hall.

Again, no problems.

I just worry that the story that we “crave” becomes more than the reporters…choices.

In general, I think more about the cannibilization of the same story and I really had never thought about the danger of the reporter getting the story.

It’s an awkward “thingie” to deal with.

I am/was a State Dept FSO trained as an Arabist and lived in four Arab countries. I’ve visited Egypt several dozen times both as a USG diplomat and afterwards as a Political Risk Analyst for Amoco, the largest foreign corporation in Egypt. What happened to Lara is absolutely inexcusable, but the photo shows her heading into the crowd without a shawl or scarf, the bare minimum a woman must wear in order not to be considered a prostitute when she walks in the streets of Cairo. TV snaps of Christiane Amanpour show her wearing a shawl/scarf when she was in a public street situation. Americans are notoriously [indeed all Brit Empire Anglos seem to be] very disrespectful or ignorant of foreign customs, just as a matter of course. Strange as it may seem to us Americans, Lara may have been perceived by the animals who attacked her as disrespecting Egyptian customs, flaunting a feminist agenda, or even taunting them by wearing inappropriate [to their eyes] apparel in a public situation. That’s the way the minds of these medieval males work.

No excuses, but Lara did not do the very minimum required to show that “when in Cairo, do as the Cairenes do.”

@lazzzlo: I’m not a front line, war correspondent, but I’m sure it takes a certain personality type that wants to be in the center of the action, pursuing the story and looking for the next big “get”. I don’t know if the comment is still back there somewhere or if it’s been moderated out of existence, but someone theorized that she and other reporters were angling for an anchor gig.

I’ve seen Ms. Logan say on a talk show that she’s not yet interested in that kind of assignment and I’m sure that if she wanted one, it would become available. The other example the commenter used was Anderson Cooper and I guess it had escaped notice that he had stepped away from a cushy anchor gig, where he’s one of the faces for his network to report from Tahrir Square. Obviously, it takes a special personality type to choose to place oneself into these types of highly dangerous situations.

And on a related note, a Twitter friend linked to an interesting Gawker comment from a former soldier, who related a story about her response to an organized attack in Baghdad. Of course, it’s what one expects if they’re familiar with her work, but it’s still an interesting read.

JJasper said:
Reporters go into dangerous situations because that is the best way to obtain the necessary information to do their jobs. It is not a new phenomenon, they are not trying to land some TV gig worth millions of dollars. It is an honored and courageous tradition. Think of the journalists who were attached to army units in Vietnam. Most were newspaper or magazine reporters, there was no cable TV. Just as they risked their lives to report in that war zone, so to do today’s journalists, albeit using a different medium, venture into dangerous situations. We would be poorer without the journalists who are willing to risk their lives to allow us to learn.

I don’t think most people here would disagree with anything you’ve said. They are brave and they go into some dangerous situations, and there lies the problem. Some of these dangerous situations they’ve gotten themselves into are the results of serious foul judgement. If you are being raped by several men after walking out of Bloomingdales, you probably didn’t have a lack in judgement. Where the journalists have placed themselves there is no excuse. Myself, my wife, son, daughter would not be in that position if I had a sayso. I don’t ride down the highway with no seatbelt on chugging on a fifth of Jack Daniels for a reason. If they choose to go to those extremes to get a story then they have to accept some consiquences no matter how terrible they may be. Next it may be worse. Next time Anderson Cooper might not be able to go on David Letterman and joke about being attacked like he was on a comedy tour, I don’t expect that Lara will.

No excuses, but Lara did not do the very minimum required to show that “when in Cairo, do as the Cairenes do.”

You have a good point.
Not trying to minimize her assault, but she clearly wasn’t following the customs of the country. Not doing her proper research is HER fault.

Note: I surf blogs with one browser, while my Tweetdeck loads to another. It appears that if you click the link to the Gawker comment in some browsers, you may have to scroll down past the ad.

I keep on forgetting that everyone perceives everything the same way “we” do.

Magister said:
Note: I surf blogs with one browser, while my Tweetdeck loads to another. It appears that if you click the link to the Gawker comment in some browsers, you may have to scroll down past the ad.

As a side note…Magister, you do go out of your way to detail everything you post.

I do appreciate that.

libra blue said:
@TfT, “My comment was deleted as well LIbra, for some odd reason (I too mentioned Anderson and CNN’s stupidity in pumping up Anderson’s attack as if he was someone so special or something)”

Yeah, they are pretty protective of Anderson over here. FYI, I tweeted Tommy Christopher asking why the comments were deleted. This was his response:

“tommyxtopher @LibraBlue yes. Commenting is a privilege.”

Why are you bothering the moderators of this website with your tweets? Tommy is right; commenting on ANY site is a privilege. Not sure what you wrote in your post, but whining about the fact that your comment got deleted isn’t cool. You gotta deal with the rules; or I’m sure you’re welcome to make your own website and post there if you’d like.

Magister said:
I don’t know if the comment is still back there somewhere or if it’s been moderated out of existence, but someone theorized that she and other reporters were angling for an anchor gig.

That was “kinda”me”, but not as an anchor as much as getting the next best story.

@ohwell, “Why are you bothering the moderators of this website with your tweets? ”

If you had bothered to read the previous comments I left on this post you would know what I said earlier. Where are these so-called rules posted? Unless they say you can only comment when you are in agreement with the moderators I don’t see a problem with my comments.

I am pretty sure the whole point of Twitter is to communicate with others. If the moderators have a problem with that then they should not have a Twitter account.

If you don’t like my comments don’t read them.

libra blue said:
If the moderators have a problem with that then they should not have a Twitter account.

At least we know we do have moderators.

Magister said:
And on a related note, a Twitter friend linked to an interesting Gawker comment from a former soldier, who related a story about her response to an organized attack in Baghdad. Of course, it’s what one expects if they’re familiar with her work, but it’s still an interesting read.

That’s an excellent read, while being what I expected. Thanks. This is such a shame.

Speaking of Gawker, is their new site design awkward?

Gizmodo is totally different.

lazzzlo said:
Speaking of Gawker, is their new site design awkward?

I started writing a couple of paragraphs about how I surf blogs and the effect the redesign has had on my habits, but that’s way off-topic for a Lara Logan get well card, so I’ll just cut it down to a “yeah” and Rex may win his bet.

BTW: Thanks for the kind words on this and the other post.

@lazzzlo, “At least we know we do have moderators.”

You are right about that, but where are these moderators when posters are making personal attacks?