Nice. We are not afraid.

So your fellow citizens acted stupidly in objecting to this planting of a victory flag ? The original opening date was 9/11/2011 . Most of us don’t see Islam as you do . We see the beheadings ,the stonings , the mistreatment of women , the pushing for Sharia law . If not contained , how long till we have ” youths ” burning cars in our streets ? This is a primitive , evil , culture and the political correctness will spell doom for our descendants . Thanks , King Obama .

Of course he does. We’re not afraid, we’re just real stupid.

But let me be clear “..

Nuff’ said .

Does this President hold any view or policy the majority of Americans do ?

Just one… ?

But let me be clear. The ‘right’ to build the mosque is a silly premise to begin with. It’s a cold hard disrespectful slap in the face to our nation and to those who died on 9/11. ..It’s an out and out in your face stance that the muslim world has chosen to take. But….like much else in our society..we will most likely pander and cater to political correctness and the mosque will be built. Only when Sharia IS the law of the land and we are all bowing to Allah (in their dreams) will we then take a step back and realize we’ve been slowly but surely………..had.

I expected no less of you President Obama.

I get why he doesn’t do it more often, as bigotry toward Muslims has become almost commonly accepted in our culture and he has to run for re-election, but I wish he’d do this more often. Just say, “You know what, this is America. We do not let our prejudices dictate our policy.” Something like that. Kudos to him though. This was probably overdue.

“as bigotry toward Muslims has become almost commonly accepted in our culture ” Publius219

I’m embarrassed to say that hatred of Muslims is virulent in my community. It has gotten so bad that Starbucks is no longer hiring them as barristers. This has resulted in the “ghettoization” of the Muslim working class to 7/Elevens.

Long , long ago , an American was safe anywhere in the world . No country would dare to kidnap or murder or rape or behead one of our citizens . They knew the United States would unleash hell on the perpetrators . No one fears us now . They don’t love us ,either . We seem weak to them and they laugh at our leader’s toothless rhetoric . This will change when the current politicians are voted out . After 9/11 , President Bush promised to protect us . He did . When all hell broke loose on the Taliban and the Al Qaeda traing camps , Libya saw the light and gave up their weapons rather than suffer the same fate . The President we had then was feared by the bad guys , and trusted by our allies . Who trusts the word of our leaders now ?

Maybe this move will help bolster the President support among Arabs, which has collapsed. Last year 23% of Arabs had a negative view of the President, but now it has climbed to 62%.

http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/06/poll-arab-support-for-obama-drops-dramatically/

It’s interesting to note that the decline in Arab support has been accompanied by equally negative polls numbers among Israelis. Here’s one of the recent polls:

http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=181594

Then again, Obama’s real worry should be the views of American voters. And those poll numbers are also showing eroding support almost across the board, even among many core elements of the Democrat base (Hispanic voters, Jewish-American voters, poor people, etc.),

In one small bit of favorable piece of news for the President, African-Americans still support Obama by a margin of 44 to 1, according to a recent Quinnipiac survey.

“Sixty-two percent of Arabs have a negative view of the American president”

He’s weak. Why would the Arabs respect a weakling?

Bravo, President Obama, American Ideals triumph once more over the forces of darkness that have been with America from the beginning. The yelps and howls are just growing pains, for some.

Muslims invaded Spain 1500 years ago they would build a Mosque at the locations of great military victories, I guess the trend continues. What next, the Pentagon.

I wonder if the President will give another speech defending Gutfield’s right to build an Islam themed gay bar next to the proposed Mosque?

Just sayin’.

Jim R said:
Bravo, President Obama, American Ideals triumph once more over the forces of darkness that have been with America from the beginning. The yelps and howls are just growing pains, for some.

Just wait. You’ll see what we’re about to grow into.

It’s American Ideals we should seek to preserve. But it’s the forces of darkness that are taking over the USA disguised as collective rights for all to the point that we’ve lost all objectivity and common sense.

What happened to the rights of the 3000 dead? The same radical muslims who celebrated the death (murder) of our citizens are the same radical muslims that are demanding their ‘rights’ now.

I 100% agree with Obama. It is their “unalienable right” to own property.
With that being said, this was obviously political and Obama should have mentioned that the imam in question has some worrisome views. And it is rather atrocious if we are footing the bill the bill for his trip across the middle east. I agree with Obama but I think for a different reason.
I am personally against it, since I see it as a stick in the eye to continue the project with the known outrage of the community. But my personal feelings come second to principle. And principle is most important esp when it is not easy to swallow on a personal level.
Imam Feisal has not been charged with any crime therefore he has the same freedom that everyone else does. Just as Gutfeld has the right to build a gay bar next door.

I think it would be in bad taste to build a gay bar so close to Ground Zero. All of the 9-11 Hijackers were male. Let’s be a little more sensitive, folks.

This world is getting more dangerous day by day . This man needs to quit campaigning , quit demonizing his fellow citizens , quit kowtowing to the unions , quit apologizing for our country , quit mistreating our allies . Don’t sue one of your own states . Act responsibly . Quit spending so much money on yourself . The citizens are suffering . Don’t you see that ? Put your chin down and get to work . Have some humility . You’re only a man . Stop the politics . Be the president of the whole country . Do what’s right . I hope to God you know what that is . We’re the Superpower . We’re the good guys . Act like it .

I think a certain president just martyred his political future to stand up for his faith…. which is his right. It’s also the right of 2/3rd of the country that doesn’t agree with this decision to kick his #&& out of office in 2012.

Freedom of religion is one of the central tenets of our society. If a group purchases property, and is within city ordinances, they can do what they want with it. Hell, build a strip club.

Dean said:
I think a certain president just martyred his political future to stand up for his faith…. which is his right. It’s also the right of 2/3rd of the country that doesn’t agree with this decision to kick his #&& out of office in 2012.

Azarkhan said:
“Sixty-two percent of Arabs have a negative view of the American president”

He’s weak. Why would the Arabs respect a weakling?

WideAwakeNow said:
But let me be clear. The ‘right’ to build the mosque is a silly premise to begin with. It’s a cold hard disrespectful slap in the face to our nation and to those who died on 9/11. ..It’s an out and out in your face stance that the muslim world has chosen to take. But….like much else in our society..we will most likely pander and cater to political correctness and the mosque will be built. Only when Sharia IS the law of the land and we are all bowing to Allah (in their dreams) will we then take a step back and realize we’ve been slowly but surely………..had.

I expected no less of you President Obama.

Further proof of the axiom that nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people, as Dick Morris, Coulter, Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Levin, and Palin can all attest.

Apostrophe jones said:
This world is getting more dangerous day by day . This man needs to quit campaigning , quit demonizing his fellow citizens , quit kowtowing to the unions , quit apologizing for our country , quit mistreating our allies . Don’t sue one of your own states . Act responsibly . Quit spending so much money on yourself . The citizens are suffering . Don’t you see that ? Put your chin down and get to work . Have some humility . You’re only a man . Stop the politics . Be the president of the whole country . Do what’s right . I hope to God you know what that is . We’re the Superpower . We’re the good guys . Act like it .

He is, he’s the only one abiding by the constitution right now. you only want to when it’s convenient for you.

He’s an idiot.

Muslims historically have built mosques on sites of conquest. Muhammad made the pagan Ka’aba into a mosque after the conquest of Mecca in the first century. Al Aqsa mosque was deliberately built near the Temple of the Mount. The Ummayad mosque in Damascus was built on the site of the Church of St. John. Babri mosque Ayodhya, India, was built on the site of a demolished Hindu temple at the site of Lord Rama’s birthplace. The Grand Cordoba Mosque was built where a Visigoth Christian church was built.

4Liberty4Justice4All said:
I 100% agree with Obama. It is their “unalienable right” to own property.With that being said, this was obviously political and Obama should have mentioned that the imam in question has some worrisome views. And it is rather atrocious if we are footing the bill the bill for his trip across the middle east. I agree with Obama but I think for a different reason.I am personally against it, since I see it as a stick in the eye to continue the project with the known outrage of the community. But my personal feelings come second to principle. And principle is most important esp when it is not easy to swallow on a personal level.Imam Feisal has not been charged with any crime therefore he has the same freedom that everyone else does. Just as Gutfeld has the right to build a gay bar next door.

4Liberty, you beat me to it.

I personally don’t like the idea of this mosque near Ground Zero. I am in agreement with a lot of people that it does seem insensitive. But it doesn’t matter what I think. This isn’t about sensitivity. This isn’t about political correctness. This is about religious freedom, as guaranteed by our Constitution. I’m frankly surprised that conservatives, who are Constitutional literalists, who trash Obama for supposedly destroying the Constitution, are attacking Obama for following the Constitution in this case.

Our emotions are still raw, nearly 9 years after 9/11. They will be raw for years, decades to come.

I know this country will accept Muslims eventually. It won’t necessarily accept Islam as the major religion in this country, but eventually we will become more accepting of people of the Muslim faith, who practice it peacefully. There were sore feelings after WWII toward the Japanese, and over time, those tensions eased and those of Japanese heritage are embraced as Americans as the years progressed.

I understand the anger about this and the emotions, but I also understand following the Constitution on this and the President is right.

President Scumbag.

“Further proof of the axiom that nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people” Publius219

Of course, you never fail to overestimate yours.

I prefer President Douchebag.

Hell, I remember when Barack wanted to lose a whole war. Is anyone surprised?

That said, he’s right in that we don’t bring the power of government to bear in the practice of religion, nor should we. Public opinion is another matter and what you have a right to do is not always the morally right thing to do. You don’t build bridges by poking people in the eye.

And backlash happens. Suppose you wanted to put up a building and none of the people who put buildings up wanted to work with you on your building. Have your rights been violated?

The lack of clapping (save the segment when he talks about the right of Muslims to practice their religion) is interesting…I would’ve expected them to clap when he said al-Qaida doesn’t represent Islam but is a gross distortion.

Were it not for my fondness for bacon, I’d be half tempted to become a Muslim just to piss off the bigoted fucktards who are against this mosque. I want to be there opening day to wag my middle finger at all the racist assholes who think one religion should be discriminated against.

If Southern Baptists can build their charnel houses anywhere they like, then surely Muslims can, too.

Radical islamists have bragged that they would use our own freedoms against us, to take down America, from within. This defense by Obama, must really put a smile on their faces.

” If Southern Baptists can build their charnel houses ”

Charnel huh ?

You hypocritical fucking bigot !

Jelperman said:
Were it not for my fondness for bacon, I’d be half tempted to become a Muslim just to piss off the bigoted fucktards who are against this mosque. I want to be there opening day to wag my middle finger at all the racist assholes who think one religion should be discriminated against.

If Southern Baptists can build their charnel houses anywhere they like, then surely Muslims can, too.

I’m sure Neda Bolourchi will be delighted to meet you there, asshole. Fu*k Tea, amirite?

stoogedudes said:
This is about religious freedom, as guaranteed by our Constitution. I’m frankly surprised that conservatives, who are Constitutional literalists, who trash Obama for supposedly destroying the Constitution, are attacking Obama for following the Constitution in this case.

So the Constitution says where people can put houses of religion?

Show me where in the Constitution it says that?

I’ll wait!

Obama is such a Muslim lover. He didn’t celebrate the national day of prayer but he did have time to wish the Muslims a happy ramadam.
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=145335368829584

The president is wrong, while the Muslims may have the legal right to do this it still completely insensitive. In fact, there are moderate Muslims who have spoken against this Mosque.

Oh, and remember that Barry said the USA could be considered one of the largest Muslim countries in the world!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmuE-kNgeSA&feature=related

Another Barry lie!

No, it doesn’t say where people could put houses of religion, but neither does it say that you can keep a house of religion from being built somewhere because it is insensitive to a lot of people.

Show me where the Constitution says a house of religion can be denied because some people don’t like the idea of it being built.

I’ll wait!

stoogedudes said:
Show me where the Constitution says a house of religion can be denied because some people don’t like the idea of it being built.

I’ll wait!

It doesn’t. It only pertains to what the government can do. Legal and right remain separate issues, and the Constitution only governs one of them.

The mosque will never be built.

Fear, hate and pandering will win the day, but we will look back at these days with shame.

You’re right.

I’m not saying building this mosque near Ground Zero is right. It is distasteful and I’m against it, but I support the Constitution as well.

You, notsofast, and I agree that this is wrong. Lots of people do.

That said, it’s getting late. I had a long day. I’ve had a few drinks, and I have a feeling this will get more and more political as the night goes on, so I’ll just leave it at that.

I hope everyone has a wonderful evening and hope you all can stay cool. It’s hot out there!

stoogedudes said:
No, it doesn’t say where people could put houses of religion, but neither does it say that you can keep a house of religion from being built somewhere because it is insensitive to a lot of people.

Child, it’s not in the Constitution- I know you libs think everything is-

It’s in zoning laws- Zoning laws determine what can be built where.

These Socialists in Congress probably support it too:

WHO ARE THE SOCIALIST IN ELECTED OFFICE TODAY:

Q: How many members of the U.S. Congress are also
members of the DSA?

A: Seventy

Q: How many of the DSA members sit on the Judiciary
Committee?

A: Eleven: John Conyers [Chairman of the Judiciary
Committee], Tammy Baldwin, Jerrold Nadler, Luis Gutierrez,
Melvin Watt, Maxine Waters, Hank Johnson, Steve Cohen,
Barbara Lee, Robert Wexler, Linda Sanchez [there are 23
Democrats on the Judiciary Committee of which eleven, almost
half, are now members of the DSA].

Q: Who are these members of 111th Congress?

A: See the listing below

Co-Chairs

Hon. Raúl M. Grijalva (AZ-07)

Hon. Lynn Woolsey (CA-06)

Vice Chairs

Hon. Diane Watson (CA-33)

Hon. Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18)

Hon. Mazie Hirono (HI-02)

Hon. Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)

Senate Members

Hon. Bernie Sanders (VT)

House Members

Hon. Neil Abercrombie (HI-01)

Hon. Tammy Baldwin (WI-02)

Hon. Xavier Becerra (CA-31)

Hon. Madeleine Bordallo (GU-AL)

Hon. Robert Brady (PA-01)

Hon. Corrine Brown (FL-03)

Hon. Michael Capuano (MA-08)

Hon. André Carson (IN-07)

Hon. Donna Christensen (VI-AL)

Hon. Yvette Clarke (NY-11)

Hon. William “Lacy” Clay (MO-01)

Hon. Emanuel Cleaver (MO-05)

Hon. Steve Cohen (TN-09)

Hon. John Conyers (MI-14)

Hon. Elijah Cummings (MD-07)

Hon. Danny Davis (IL-07)

Hon. Peter DeFazio (OR-04)

Hon. Rosa DeLauro (CT-03)

Rep. Donna F. Edwards (MD-04)

Hon. Keith Ellison (MN-05)

Hon. Sam Farr (CA-17)

Hon. Chaka Fattah (PA-02)

Hon. Bob Filner (CA-51)

Hon. Barney Frank (MA-04)

Hon. Marcia L. Fudge (OH-11)

Hon. Alan Grayson (FL-08)

Hon. Luis Gutierrez (IL-04)

Hon. John Hall (NY-19)

Hon. Phil Hare (IL-17)

Hon. Maurice Hinchey (NY-22)

Hon. Michael Honda (CA-15)

Hon. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-02)

Hon. Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30)

Hon. Hank Johnson (GA-04)

Hon. Marcy Kaptur (OH-09)

Hon. Carolyn Kilpatrick (MI-13)

Hon. Barbara Lee (CA-09)

Hon. John Lewis (GA-05)

Hon. David Loebsack (IA-02)

Hon. Ben R. Lujan (NM-3)

Hon. Carolyn Maloney (NY-14)

Hon. Ed Markey (MA-07)

Hon. Jim McDermott (WA-07)

Hon. James McGovern (MA-03)

Hon. George Miller (CA-07)

Hon. Gwen Moore (WI-04)

Hon. Jerrold Nadler (NY-08)

Hon. Eleanor Holmes-Norton (DC-AL)

Hon. John Olver (MA-01)

Hon. Ed Pastor (AZ-04)

Hon. Donald Payne (NJ-10)

Hon. Chellie Pingree (ME-01)

Hon. Charles Rangel (NY-15)

Hon. Laura Richardson (CA-37)

Hon. Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34)

Hon. Bobby Rush (IL-01)

Hon. Linda Sánchez (CA-47)

Hon. Jan Schakowsky (IL-09)

Hon. José Serrano (NY-16)

Hon. Louise Slaughter (NY-28)

Hon. Pete Stark (CA-13)

Hon. Bennie Thompson (MS-02)

Hon. John Tierney (MA-06)

Hon. Nydia Velazquez (NY-12)

Hon. Maxine Waters (CA-35)

Hon. Mel Watt (NC-12)

Hon. Henry Waxman (CA-30)

Hon. Peter Welch (VT-AL)

Hon. Robert Wexler (FL-19)

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/08/exposed-long-list-of-elected-officials.html

To quote the great Ocho Cinco, “Child Please.” Dead man walking—the guy is doomed.

juan said:
WHO ARE THE SOCIALIST IN ELECTED OFFICE TODAY:

Guess what juan, Congress doesn’t have a damn thing to do with anything built in a city, town or community. Pull your head out of your Republican place (your ass).

I can’t imagine the thinking, that would rationalize, Obama’s “revealing” his support of such an unpopular happening, being “politically”, in his interest. For that matter, in the best interests of the Democratic Party. He just slapped many of his voters in the face. Sounds like Party suicide, to me. It’s not about constitutionality, it’s not about local laws and ordinances. Even if he believes this is right, why in the world would he take such a stand at this particular event, in this particular company. The Democratic Party certainly has it’s work cut out for them, now.

the real john t said:
Guess what juan, Congress doesn’t have a damn thing to do with anything built in a city, town or community. Pull your head out of your Republican place (your ass).

Neither does the President!

I am stunned. Obama just gets dumber everyday. This guy is dangerous.

It’s just a case of Obama pandering to be politically correct. What it boils down to, Obama is disloyal to the feelings of the American people. It goes with his history of hating America. What was he saying on 9-11-2001?

juan said:
Neither does the President!

I didn’t say he did.

gordonbloyershow said:
I am stunned. Obama just gets dumber everyday.

I wouldn’t say that. He’s not as dumb as someone that claims to have articles published in the USA Today that didn’t, like yourself.

The people throwing the words “racists” and “bigots’ at the opponents of the Park51 Mosque, you do realize that people aren’t opposed generally to mosques being built, right? They’re opposed to a mosque being built close to the site where some crazy moslems slaughtered over 2000 mostly US citizens in the name of Islam. It’s insensitive, to say the least.

If you’re in support of this mosque, I advise you stop accusing the opposition of “fear, hate and pandering” and start addressing the overriding feeling of insensitivity that pervades this issue.

ronke a said:
you do realize that people aren’t opposed generally to mosques being built, right?

Wrong.

Have you been living in a cave? Read a newspaper occasionally.

BFD, did you see the word ‘generally’ in my comment? You even highlighted a statement that contains the very word. Have you been living in a cave? And pray, what newspapers have you been reading?

ronke a said:
BFD, did you see the word ‘generally’ in my comment? You even highlighted a statement that contains the very word. Have you been living in a cave? And pray, what newspapers have you been reading?

I gave quite a few examples in another thread of general opposition to new mosques being built across America as well as a upswing of vandalism against mosques. Not to mention the Koran burnings.

I am not going to find those links again, once is enough for me, but it is obvious that there is a lot more going on in this country than just concern about insensitivity to a ground zero mosque.

I’m sure some people are merely offended by the mosque, but I’m sure others just fucking hate muslims. You can tell that simply by reading this blog day after day.

Apostrophe jones said:
This is a primitive , evil , culture and the political correctness will spell doom for our descendants .

After 2000 years of murder, inquisition and intolerance it’s a wonder any Christian still feels he holds the moral high ground.

Obama – and his supporters! – War On America continues!

The ENEMY within!

A Vote for ANY Democrat is a Vote for Obama’s WAR ON AMERICA!

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
After 2000 years of murder, inquisition and intolerance it’s a wonder any Christian still feels he holds the moral high ground.

Note the Anti-Christian Bigotry of the Obama Supporters Continues!

Google:
How many attacks were committed by Christian Terrorists in the past 25 years?
How many by Muslim Terrorists?
- yet Obama Supporters continue to attempt equating the two (remember the bovine, Rosie O’Donnell?).
——————————————————————————————————————————————–

Obama – and his supporters! – War On America continues!

The ENEMY within!

A Vote for ANY Democrat is a Vote for Obama’s WAR ON AMERICA!

juan,

GOOD LINK! – Suggest everyone copy/paste for promulgation.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
The mosque will never be built.

Fear, hate and pandering will win the day, but we will look back at these days with shame.

Close to 70% of the American public don’t want it build there because it is sensitive to the feelings of the majority of the families who lost family members on 9/11. The majority of the families of the 9/11 victims don’t want the mosque built there.

Why are you calling the families of the 9/11 victims hate mongers? Why do you hate the families of the 9/11 victims? Haven’t they suffered enough?

Jim R said:
Bravo, President Obama, American Ideals triumph once more over the forces of darkness that have been with America from the beginning. The yelps and howls are just growing pains, for some.

Many of the families of the 9/11 victims are against the mosque because it is hurtful to them.

So you are saying that the families of the 9/11 victims are “the forces of the darkness” and are just “Yelping and howling”?

You are an IDIOT.

We are not, nor do we want to be, at war with Islam. We are at war with terrorists who are using Islam as a pretext to justify their resentment. By showing Islam that we respect them, that we give them the same rights as all other religions, we confirm our committment to religious freedom, and confirm that we are not at war with the Islamic people as a whole.

Some interesting facts about Islam and the Prophet Muhammad.

When Muhammad first received his ‘revelation he said an angel, the Angel Gabriel, came to him and CHOKED HIM while he was in a cave. He then proceeded to try to kill himself several times because he thought he was being possessed by a demon, but his 1st wife and her uncle convinced him he was really visited by an angel and that he was a prophet.

Muhammad’s profession was slave trading and owned and traded many slaves.

Muhammad said that the Devil was a black man, and that disease was represented as a black women in an omen.

Muhammad said that he had seen Hell, and that Hell was mainly filled with women, and they were in Hell because they were disobedient to their husbands.

Muhammad said you could beat your wife…as long as you didn’t mess up her face.

Muhammad said that a woman who is raped has to have FOUR witnesses of the rape to convict the man who raped her…because women could lie.

Muhammad said that if a strange man enters your house your wife has to give him her breast to suckle so he will not be a stranger and can see your wife in the house.

Muhammad said that Jews are the enemies of Islam and that they should be killed.

If you leave Islam or convert to another religion you have to be killed.

Muhammad hated dogs…and ordered ALL THE DOGS TO BE KILLED…but the people were dismayed because they used them for guarding and tending animals. So Muhammad backtracked as said you can only have dogs to guard your house and for working outside…BUT YOU CANNOT HAVE A DOG AS A PET OR INSIDE YOUR HOUSE. Because “angels” would not visit your home if you did.

Muhammad had anyone who criticized him MURDERED…even old people and mothers.

Muhammad said you can have women from war booty and rape them.

Muhammad said a woman cannot divorce her husband, but HER HUSBAND has to decide if they can divorce.

Muhammad said if you die in battle for Islam you get 72 virgins, who have mile wide butts, and 300 boy slaves…women don’t get 72 virgins. They get to SHARE their husband with the 72 virgins or he can dump her in heaven.

Muhammad married a child of 6 and then ‘consummated’ the marriage at age 9. In many biblical time communities the age of marriage was 12 or when a girl get her menses.

In the 21st century , Scientology makes more sense than this primitive stuff.

Latin2 said:
Some interesting facts about Islam and the Prophet Muhammad. When Muhammad first received his ‘revelation he said an angel, the Angel Gabriel, came to him and CHOKED HIM while he was in a cave. He then proceeded to try to kill himself several times because he thought he was being possessed by a demon, but his 1st wife and her uncle convinced him he was really visited by an angel and that he was a prophet. Muhammad’s profession was slave trading and owned and traded many slaves. Muhammad said that the Devil was a black man, and that disease was represented as a black women in an omen. Muhammad said that he had seen Hell, and that Hell was mainly filled with women, and they were in Hell because they were disobedient to their husbands. Muhammad said you could beat your wife…as long as you didn’t mess up her face. Muhammad said that a woman who is raped has to have FOUR witnesses of the rape to convict the man who raped her…because women could lie. Muhammad said that if a strange man enters your house your wife has to give him her breast to suckle so he will not be a stranger and can see your wife in the house. Muhammad said that Jews are the enemies of Islam and that they should be killed. If you leave Islam or convert to another religion you have to be killed. Muhammad hated dogs…and ordered ALL THE DOGS TO BE KILLED…but the people were dismayed because they used them for guarding and tending animals. So Muhammad backtracked as said you can only have dogs to guard your house and for working outside…BUT YOU CANNOT HAVE A DOG AS A PET OR INSIDE YOUR HOUSE. Because “angels” would not visit your home if you did. Muhammad had anyone who criticized him MURDERED…even old people and mothers. Muhammad said you can have women from war booty and rape them. Muhammad said a woman cannot divorce her husband, but HER HUSBAND has to decide if they can divorce. Muhammad said if you die in battle for Islam you get 72 virgins, who have mile wide butts, and 300 boy slaves…women don’t get 72 virgins. They get to SHARE their husband with the 72 virgins or he can dump her in heaven. Muhammad married a child of 6 and then ‘consummated’ the marriage at age 9. In many biblical time communities the age of marriage was 12 or when a girl get her menses.

All New Yorkers invited to the many gay weddings sure to take place at the Murder Mosque .

john t, why don’t you produce where I said I have “articles” printed in USA TODAY? Just repeating that lie is not going to fool anyone.

Any religion that is waiting for some guy in a well has very dumb followers.

….and Muslims believe that they have a duty to spread Islam.

In Islam gays and lesbians fate is as follows – They are supposed to throw them off a mountain…or in modern times off a building…or have a brick wall fall on them….flogged first and if they don’t repent and change…that is their destiny under Sharia Law.

Now I don’t know where they got that “Throw them off a mountain or push a brick wall on them” but that is a very odd way to get rid of gay.

It was probably something that happened in a hadith or something.

All Infidels . Be sure and stop in for doughnuts and coffee in the Mohammed Atta Room .

Interesting that Liberals have never seen these things about Islam or Muhammad…and remember Muhammad is the principle key to Islam.

Muslims are supposed to follow HIS example because they claim Muhammad is “the perfect man”.

Azarkhan said:
“as bigotry toward Muslims has become almost commonly accepted in our culture ” Publius219 I’m embarrassed to say that hatred of Muslims is virulent in my community. It has gotten so bad that Starbucks is no longer hiring them as barristers. This has resulted in the “ghettoization” of the Muslim working class to 7/Elevens.

Thanks for the tip. I’ll have to start going to Starbucks now.

37 early Islamic sources by Muslim scholars say that Prophet Muhammad was possessed by Satan. Muhammad wanted his pagan tribe to join his new religion so he went to them and bowed down to their pagan goddesses, Al-Lat, Uzza, and Manat. He even praised them and put them in the Quran. BUT his followers of Islam said “hey wait a minute Muhammad you said there was only ONE God and his name was Allah…so why are you praying to the old pagan goddesses?”

Sooo Muhammad declared that the Angel Gabriel had come to him and told him that THE DEVIL MADE HIM DO IT and say these things. He said Satan had controlled him and made him bow to the old pagan gods. That is the Satanic Verses. Later they were removed and the tale was ditched. But the early Islamic scholars had already documented it.

Sudarshan Patil said:
Hi All,I think being a President he must say like that. Muslims have the same right to live in USA.party platespaper plates

Contact Moochelle Obama ‘s Assistant in Charge of Party Plates ( not silverware and napkins – different assistant ) for plenty of business .

Thank you Latin2 for speaking out the truth about Islam! This evil cult will perish, it can’t stand brightness!

Here’s the statement issued by Debra Burlingame, the co-founder of 9/11 Families for a Safe & Strong America:

Barack Obama has abandoned America at the place where America’s heart was broken nine years ago, and where her true values were on display for all to see. Since that dark day, Americans have been asked to bear the burden of defending those values, again and again and again. Now this president declares that the victims of 9/11 and their families must bear another burden. We must stand silent at the last place in America where 9/11 is still remembered with reverence or risk being called religious bigots.

h/t NRO

So it’s fine to hate the Muslims and call their religion intolerant, but when someone on the board points out the same intolerances practiced by Christian zealots over 2 millenium they are painted as anti-Christian scum. Unbelieveable. Norbit asks: How many attacks were committed by Christian Terrorists in the past 25 years? I don’t know, Norbit…didn’t President Bush refer to our invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq a ‘crusade’? (But I guess the occupation of their land is fine, but a mosque here…NO WAY! Strip clubs near our “sacred ground” is fine though). What did President Bush mean exactly? And I guess the Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials and the Klan never existed either. No, in the eyes and minds of Norbit (and many others on this board) Christianity is good and no evil has EVER been done in its name. BTW if the Muslim faith were inherently evil then why haven’t the 1 million plus worshippers here in the US gone out and slaughtered us infidels yet? Wouldn’t 9/11 have been a “call-to-arms”?

To all jihadists who will beheading to visit me with their swords and chainsaws : My name is Arnold Ziffel and I live in Rockaway Beach , N.Y. ….!

@ slayer2369
First, the crusades were a reaction to over 400 years of Jihad!
Second, you can argue that the crusades weren’t very Christ like. Jesus commended to love your enemy!
But the Jihadist did exactly what Muhammad commanded: conquer, subjugate murder!
Third, it’s not about Muslims! There are moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as moderate Islam!

So many on the right would drop their unfired rifles and surrender immediately to the terrorists by becoming what they are. Obama is absolutely right in defending this religious center. In fighting terrorists like Al Qaeda we are not warring against their religion. First, it’s a matter of logic in recognizing that the few radicals represented by Al Qaeda or the Taliban do not represent the many who are Muslim. Second, only idiots advocate a religious war. Third, idiocy calls for the United States to declare war against a religion with as many as 1.2 to 1.57 billion Muslims who populate the world, or about 25% of an estimated 2010 world population of 6.8 billion. Of course, theRepublicans spent 2001-2009 proving they are far from being military geniuses.

I so enjoy when folks like Bill Adkins and allat show up to do battle with the demons in their heads for our amusement.

Whoops, slayer2369, not allat. Sorry, allat.

@Pablo
hehe…no problem! :)

Bill Adkins said:
In fighting terrorists like Al Qaeda we are not warring against their religion.

I’m not sure about this! The Jihadists/Terrorists do exactly what Islam commands them to do! In their eyes, we are already fighting against Islam. We, the West, we just call it Terrorism. But that’s just a war tactic!

The prophet Mohammad called for a genocide of all Jews. Jesus never did. You people can twist turn and play ” but the Christians did it too game ” but it’s not gonna work. Mohammad was an adulterer , and anti- woman.

Islam is an evil religion . Period . Moderate Muslims do not practice the teachings of Mohammad.

Do your research of Islam , those who doubt , please give an example of ONE peaceful Islamic country where you can speak out against their govt or religion , just one ..

murf said:
The prophet Mohammad called for a genocide of all Jews. Jesus never did. You people can twist turn and play ” but the Christians did it too game ”

But then, what religion has truly acted upon the genocide of all Jews, called for or not?

Bill Adkins said:
But then, what religion has truly acted upon the genocide of all Jews, called for or not?

I think that you’re mixing up the scriptures of religions with the people of religions!
There’s maybe one statement of Jesus about the Jews which is problematic, but if you want to try to compare Jesus to Muhammad on this subject, you will fail – dramatically!
And by the way, Hitler preferred Islam over Christianity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views#Islam_and_eastern_religions

murf said:
The prophet Mohammad called for a genocide of all Jews. Jesus never did. You people can twist turn and play ” but the Christians did it too game ” but it’s not gonna work. Mohammad was an adulterer , and anti- woman. Islam is an evil religion . Period . Moderate Muslims do not practice the teachings of Mohammad. Do your research of Islam , those who doubt , please give an example of ONE peaceful Islamic country where you can speak out against their govt or religion , just one ..

It must be a neo-con thing to want to be at war with over a billion people. Billiant. Even Bush stated clearly that he thought Islam was a religion of peace. As for the mosque, that replaces a dead building a couple blocks from the 911 site, why is it so scary as to warrent compromising our first amendment rights? The terrorists hate our freedoms, and amazingly their terror seems to have worked because all the cowboys shaking in their boots want to give them up.

Bill Adkins said:
So many on the right would drop their unfired rifles and surrender immediately to the terrorists by becoming what they are.

Yep, like justifying torture.

Gee, Obama is an asshole muslim. What a surprise.

allat said:
I think that you’re mixing up the scriptures of religions with the people of religions!

And I think that’s exactly what the opponents of the so-called Ground Zero Mosque That Isn’t a Mosque are doing.

Bill Adkins said:
But then, what religion has truly acted upon the genocide of all Jews, called for or not?

Islam.

Valkyrie , I know your blind, ignorant defense of all BUT Christianity runs deep. Have you ever read or researched the history of Islam ? You care more about your politically correct purity than the billion Muslims who are enslaved under Sharia and persecutions.. Shameful.

allat said:
Hitler preferred Islam over Christianity

Can’t let this one pass

“Hitler wrote: “I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord..” As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country.”

Perhaps this might be of use to the right with a little paraphrasing: “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health from within only on the principle: the common interest before self-interest.”

“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice…. And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people…. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

[Note, "brood of vipers" appears in Matt. 3:7 & 12:34. John 2:15 depicts Jesus driving out the money changers (adders) from the temple. The word "adders" also appears in Psalms 140:3] ”

http://nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

valkyrie101 said:
It must be a neo-con thing to want to be at war with over a billion people. Billiant.

It’s not about starting a war with Muslims! It’s about defending our Freedom of Speech! Islam should be criticized as all other religions, and we should be able to do this without fearing for our life

valkyrie101 said:
Even Bush stated clearly that he thought Islam was a religion of peace.

That doesn’t make it a right statement!

Although I object to the ground zero mosque, (I don’t give a shit what you call it) the muho monkeys have every right to build it. That said, the _only_ reason these assholes are building this thing is to give the USA the finger. Let’s all stop pretending that this isn’t the case. And so, I see zero problem in giving islam the finger back. Sure, build the thing, but don’t step in front of a camera to claim victimhood status when people start spraying pig blood at you. Fuck you, and fuck that two bit thief muhammad. I guess he had to think of something to keep his sorry ass out of trouble.

Bill Adkins — Nazism = Islam .

Bill Adkins said:
Can’t let this one pass

I know that! But AFTER Mein Kampf, at the time when he collaborated with Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, he also said: “The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”

But actually, it doesn’t matter what Hitler said or what he didn’t said!
Show me a passage in the Gospel where Jesus commands to kill Jews!

And by the way, you are falling to the tu quoque fallacy!

Attn : Murder Mosque committee members . Found a better location for you . Private , with a climate more to your liking . It will remind you of home . It’s out West . You’ll like the name , too . It ‘s Death Valley .

Hitlers confliction with Christianity is well documented . PLEASE PROVIDE ONE BIBLICAL TEACHING , THAT JUSTIFYS WHAT HITLER DID.

You can read the teachings of Mohammad and find plenty.

allat said:
And by the way, you are falling to the tu quoque fallacy!

If so, please show how so? I’m willing to examine your logic equation.

murf said:
You can read the teachings of Mohammad and find plenty.

That’s because muhammad was a fucken asshole and most likely a homosexual. He was a common criminal turned “prophet” to save his sorry ass among a bunch of retards in two villages. He has a lot of followers today because men are bigger than women, and islam allows you to beat your wife, so men who’re predisposed to be fucken assholes can simply shed all the stuff that made humans civilized.

I say let them build it, we will have a great place to photograph the people who enter and leave. Then once they realize the photographing will not stop they will stay away and Greg can buy the whole building for cheap!

And oh yeah, fuck Obama

Like all of the 9-11 Hijackers, Hitler was also a male. How can we build a gay bar so close to Ground Zero knowing it will attract so many men?

Bill Adkins said:
If so, please show how so? I’m willing to examine your logic equation.

You distract from the subject!

Lanquihue I know you served , I dunno if you spent time over seas in the Middle East , like I did , but the closeted Homosexuality is rampant is the Muslim community.

Valkyrie101 says : Yep, like justifying torture.

You know your a liberal when , you condemn and bitch about water boarding , but where a Che T- Shirt and defend Islam .

murf said:
Lanquihue I know you served , I dunno if you spent time over seas in the Middle East , like I did , but the closeted Homosexuality is rampant is the Muslim community.

The Midway pulled into Karachi once and Mombasa twice, but no, I never mingled with muslims on a day to day basis. I have heard this many times, though.

A funny one, Karachi has no “bars” that serve alcohol (although I’m sure if you knew where to get it….) so we stocked up on beer before we left Yokosuka, and the Pakistanis allowed us a place on the beach to serve beer and barbecue. The beer was kept in a magazine, and being a gunner’s mate, one of my watches was mag watch, where once an hour we went to each magazine, opened the hatch and logged the temperature. Where the beer was kept, that mag was normally sparrow missiles, and the lock was a run of the mill masterlock looking thing. But on that cruise, (and we still had to log the temp) the HT’s welded this massive hasp there, which accommodated a very expensive high security lock, and one of the MarDet (marines) had to accompany you to that mag. The missiles? No biggie, but the beer? The highest security!

Democracy can be misused against itself and trust and faith have us believe this will not happen. So it takes great faith and trust and COURAGE for a country to have its fundamentals dangling in the air like that. It is the COUNTRY that does that, for its president, only articulating what his voters wanted, can always by like his father and live in a muslim state, especially after having conquered their greatest enemy. He can always have the applause continue on THAT side, but I do understand he wants cake and have it, having THAT side on THIS side.

I wonder if Obama would be supportive of a white seperatist memorial where Dr King was killed. I mean…that is disgusting and horrible – ignoring the very concious of a community deeply effected by a horrible act – yet maybe we should be tolerant of such idiots.

While I don’t believe that the government should tell any private property owner what he/she should do with their land, Mr. Obama could have at least made a comment about how this is a very contentious issue. The majority of New Yorkers and Americans disagree with Obama on this, as well as other issues. Obama ignores the fact that Islam, throughout history, builds Mosques at sites of their preceived victory. On a side issue, I noticed that representitives from Saudi Arabia were in attendance. It would have been nice if the President had mention the apartied like conditions that women in that country live under, yet he, like Bush, bend over backwards for that bigoted and intolerant country.

Once again, Obama proves that he’s in the minority on a very serious issue.

Lanquihue– Nice.. Yeah I was deployed to Iraq in 2004 , and then again in 07′. The only time we were allowed beer, was on the Marine Corps Bday ( Nov 10 ). Anywho .. Yeah, like I’ve stated before on this site I worked side by side with the Iraqi Army , and having nothing personal against Muslim individuals. However , I have seen the brutal , barbaric conditions , muslim countries endure and thus, have a strong opposition to the religion.

What about re-locating the N.O.W. National Headquarters at the mosque spot?

Do they still exist? – What do they feel about the role of Muslim women in Islamic society??

Is this N.O.W. the new definition of ‘politically-correct’ Women’s Rights?

EXPOST THE HYPOCRITES!

murf said:
Lanquihue– Nice.. Yeah I was deployed to Iraq in 2004 , and then again in 07′. The only time we were allowed beer, was on the Marine Corps Bday ( Nov 10 ). Anywho .. Yeah, like I’ve stated before on this site I worked side by side with the Iraqi Army , and having nothing personal against Muslim individuals. However , I have seen the brutal , barbaric conditions , muslim countries endure and thus, have a strong opposition to the religion.

I agree. I was deployed to Iraq for the invasion in ’03, 05/06 and 06/07. We only got beer on November of ’06 for the USMC b-day. Two beers each, we had to sign for them…they were good.

Norbit — Don’t be stupid ( lol ) , NOW and CODE PINK have absolutely no moral stance . They’re are strictly politically , where were they when the attacks rained in , against Palin? , where are the queer dudes dressed in orange gitmo jumpsuits , with choke collars , protesting Gitmo bay with the hippie woman ? Ha.. Jokes..

Rush Limbaugh nailed it Feminazis.

Yeah NOW, if they really gave a rats ass about womens right, should be up in arms that President Obama would even talk to representatives of a country that treats women like property. These women have no rights, in fact black south Africans, under apartied, had more rights than women in Saudi Arabia.

NOW, Code Pink, the Democrats, and most republicans are nothing but hypocrites.

More Liberty — Nice . Yeah , I had the tall can of guiness, lol . The most refreshing beverage ever. I was in Al Anbar province .. You ?

Is anyone really surprised that the “Puppet President” would be sympathetic to the Muslim community? Wasn’t his deadbeat father a Muslim?

How does the left explain the fact that it defends a religion that supports honor killings, stoning, the condemnation and murder of homosexuals, and denies women their basic human rights? Don’t these human rights crimes represent everything that they are supposed to be against?

Talk about hypocrisy!

murf said:
Valkyrie , I know your blind, ignorant defense of all BUT Christianity runs deep. Have you ever read or researched the history of Islam ? You care more about your politically correct purity than the billion Muslims who are enslaved under Sharia and persecutions.. Shameful.

Its simple. If you believe in freedom of religion, you must allow all religions to practice their religion within the confines of the law. If you make an exception for one religion you do not like, like dominos, the rights of all religions will be compromised.

@lanquihue, ” That said, the _only_ reason these assholes are building this thing is to give the USA the finger. Let’s all stop pretending that this isn’t the case.”

That is exactly why they want to build it there. It is an insult to the memories of the victims of the 9/11 terrorist attack.

Let’s not forget that these are the same idiots who want to murder the South Park creators over a cartoon.

murf said:
Valkyrie101 says : Yep, like justifying torture. You know your a liberal when , you condemn and bitch about water boarding , but where a Che T- Shirt and defend Islam .

Again, you fancy becoming like our enemies. I’ll pass.

Libra Blue — Its not that Liberals are anti- Semite , or Anti- Christian per say. It’s that they defend anything that is bad. One day they’ ll learn that Islam wants to conquer the world and wipe out all non-believers.Christians love and pray, Islam wants to impose an ” purify “.

Anderson Cooper is an apologist of the highest order.

Sorry Valkyrie .

The Park51 ( imam) has a constitutional right to build their . Nobody is debating that . Nobody . Rush , Beck , Hannity , Palin all agree.

It’s sensitivity , and decency.

Do you realize 3 .. Count em’. Only THREE.. gitmo detainees were water boarded ?

@lanquihue, “He was a common criminal turned “prophet”

I guess the left thinks it is alright when human rights are abused as long as the group doing it calls itself a religion. Except, of course, if the religion in question is Christianity.

“Again, you fancy becoming like our enemies. I’ll pass.” Valkyrie

I once fancied a Muslim girl but I’ve never fancied the Muslim world. Fancy our embarrassment when we discover the Muslim world doesn’t fancy us.

@murf, “Its not that Liberals are anti- Semite , or Anti- Christian per say.”

Since I don’t belong to any religion, I don’t have a dog in this race, but I find it rather curious that when Muslims abuse the human rights of women and gays, practice torture like honor killings and stonig the left ignores the abuses, but when Christians condemn homosexuality and abortion the left works itself into a frenzy condemning them.

For the record I am in favor of gay rights and a woman’s right to choose.

Anderson is a hypocrite of the highest order.

valkyrie101 said:
Its simple. If you believe in freedom of religion, you must allow all religions to practice their religion within the confines of the law. If you make an exception for one religion you do not like, like dominos, the rights of all religions will be compromised.

I don’t believe you understand the issue…or refuse to understand may be the reason.

It is NOT about Freedom of Religion!

It is about Tolerance!

Our president is telling the surivors of 9-11 “Screw You – You are getting a Mosque, whether you like it or not!”

Libra Blue – As am I . Not really religious either . If your gay , cool .

Islam cut off limbs and execute gays , like I said before , it’s not a moral stance liberals take , it ALLL political .

valkyrie101 said:
Again, you fancy becoming like our enemies. I’ll pass.

What an easy way out. It avoids having to justify bending over for a fucked up religion.

Jimma Cahta must be dancing with glee. He is no longer the Dumbest human
EVER to occupy that office! My God, This Obamba will lose all “57″ (he said it) states
in 2012! Happy Days!!!!!!!

murf said:
Sorry Valkyrie . The Park51 ( imam) has a constitutional right to build their . Nobody is debating that . Nobody . Rush , Beck , Hannity , Palin all agree. It’s sensitivity , and decency. Do you realize 3 .. Count em’. Only THREE.. gitmo detainees were water boarded ?

You are not up to speed on the U.S. use of torture. Waterboarding was only one of several traditional methods of torture that we used. And bizaar acts of indignity, that might not be “torture” but which are below an exceptable standard when it comes to the human rights of prisoners, such as having the prisoners strip and pose in simulated homosexual acts. Sick. Like our enemies.

lanquihue said:
What an easy way out. It avoids having to justify bending over for a fucked up religion.

Apparently you are also not up to speed on the meaning of the first amendment. It is also why you do not appreciate the ACLU. The hard cases define freedom.

“And bizaar acts of indignity”, that are better restricted to the bedroom.

such as having the prisoners strip and pose in simulated homosexual acts. Sick. Like our enemies. ”

Again Valk , your buying into the reguritated liberal talking points. That was Abu Graibh .

Despicable and inexcusable .

However that was NOT trained CIA interrogators , that’ was a fucked up Army command. Letting 21 year olds handle alleged terrorists.

@valkyrie101
You should argue with the guy at “Freedom Ain’t Free & Take Our Country Back”
http://snooper.wordpress.com/2010/08/14/obamination-iftar-al-taqiyya/

JimBob said:
Jimma Cahta must be dancing with glee. He is no longer the Dumbest humanEVER to occupy that office! My God, This Obamba will lose all “57″ (he said it) statesin 2012! Happy Days!!!!!!!

Oh, c’mon, you know George W. Bush gets a Hallmark card every week from Jimmy thanking him for making him second worst. Now, what might put Jimmy on #3 on that hit list is if America is moronic enough to put Palin in office. Then there’s be a real race for dumbest in history, #1 and #2 could be dumb and dumber, but which would be which, Bush or Palin?

allat said:
You distract from the subject!

Ehhh — I don’t think you get the concept.

Bill Adkins said:
Ehhh — I don’t think you get the concept.

You are free to think whatever you want!

valkyrie101 said:
Apparently you are also not up to speed on the meaning of the first amendment.

My first comment on this thread conceded that the monkeys have every right to build the thing. However, they can expect a bunch of grief for doing so. Freedom of speech does not guarantee acceptance of that speech.

Also, I believe a case could be made that this does not fall under First Amendment protection. Law acknowledges the notion of “fighting words”, and “fighting words” are not protected speech. I believe that the building of this mosque on what is essentially sacred ground might be considered fighting words.

murf said:
such as having the prisoners strip and pose in simulated homosexual acts. Sick. Like our enemies. ” Again Valk , your buying into the reguritated liberal talking points. That was Abu Graibh . Despicable and inexcusable . However that was NOT trained CIA interrogators , that’ was a fucked up Army command. Letting 21 year olds handle alleged terrorists.

Whatever.

Moderate said:
Muslims invaded Spain 1500 years ago they would build a Mosque at the locations of great military victories, I guess the trend continues. What next, the Pentagon.

There is already a mosque in the Pentagon.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/06/mosque-pentagon/

lanquihue said:
My first comment on this thread conceded that the monkeys have every right to build the thing. However, they can expect a bunch of grief for doing so. Freedom of speech does not guarantee acceptance of that speech. Also, I believe a case could be made that this does not fall under First Amendment protection. Law acknowledges the notion of “fighting words”, and “fighting words” are not protected speech. I believe that the building of this mosque on what is essentially sacred ground might be considered fighting words.

OK. Fighting words. There 1.5 billion Islamics and you are talking about fighting. The genesis of this is a token of peace by moderate Islamics. We do well to respect such people. So it has nothing to do with fighting words. Perhaps these moderates are probing for a sign of tolerance. People complain about the stimulous and how much money it is. Our militry consumes far more than that every year. An endless war, already almost ten years going, at a cost of trillions. And what, you want to be a bad ass toward Islam? Freakin stupid.

Whatever”.

Yeah it’s amazing Valkyrie , your alllll about big government .

Except you constantly doubt our nation’s defense . I.E, SB 1070 – police are gonna gonna discriminate ..Military is killing innocence , and tortuing .

Whatever is right . Have a great day .

valkyrie101 said:
Nice. We are not afraid.

…of anything but being called a racist.

VegasRudy said:
It’s just a case of Obama pandering to be politically correct. What it boils down to, Obama is disloyal to the feelings of the American people. It goes with his history of hating America. What was he saying on 9-11-2001?

This is evidence that he loves his country. He’s supporting their right to freedom of religious expression.

President Barack Obama supports the “Victory Mosque at ground zero while 65% or more of America says NO tho this construction. Since the President is a Muslim ( http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28 ) then it is evident that he does not care about any of the Americans killed on 9/11 but only about the feelings of Islamists who want to build this grand “Victory Mosque”.

Attached are videos #1 & #2 & #3 of what our President supports and what kind of “Change” he wants to bring to America. Change that is NOT in the best interests of America and our laws.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-DbwJtnus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/07/shariah-law-and-english-law.html

Obama is the Clown in Chief. How does he do it?

valkyrie101 said:
The genesis of this is a token of peace by moderate Islamics.

What a bunch of horseshit. If this were the case, they’d nix their plans, given the level of opposition. Plain and simple, a bunch of muslims brought down two skyscrapers, killing thousands in the process. Many people jumped to their deaths rather than go through being burned alive. Muslims then plan an islam center right next door, infuriating millions, and we’re supposed to believe that this is a token of peace? Seriously, you can’t be that fucken stupid.

murf said:
Whatever”. Yeah it’s amazing Valkyrie , your alllll about big government . Except you constantly doubt our nation’s defense . I.E, SB 1070 – police are gonna gonna discriminate ..Military is killing innocence , and tortuing . Whatever is right . Have a great day .

No “whatever” meaning it makes no difference if the trained CIA interrogators committed torture or someone else. We don’t torture because our morality does not allow that. How do I know? Because we do not tolerate people who torture us, and that is why after WW2 we conducted war crimes trials, where those who tortured were put to death. Obama has not pushed this issue, he does not want to pursue prosecution or that sort of thing, but he has instructed no torture. First we have to admit we errored by following the ways of our enemy and engaging in, or permitting others to, torture. Then we resolve to not do it again. Its like giving up drinking, gordon.

valkyrie101 said:
No “whatever” meaning it makes no difference if the trained CIA interrogators committed torture or someone else.

No, it means you were called out for your lie.

lanquihue said:
What a bunch of horseshit. If this were the case, they’d nix their plans, given the level of opposition. Plain and simple, a bunch of muslims brought down two skyscrapers, killing thousands in the process. Many people jumped to their deaths rather than go through being burned alive. Muslims then plan an islam center right next door, infuriating millions, and we’re supposed to believe that this is a token of peace? Seriously, you can’t be that fucken stupid.

As I said, perhaps this is a significant issue for the moderate Islamics. They do not hate America, but others do. The moderates need a hook to hang their hat. That is this issue. Many Islamics suspect that America does not respect Islam as a bonafide religion. By allowing the mosque, we empower the moderates, and we prove that we are a people that respects freedom of religion, when peacefully practiced within the law.

lanquihue said:
No, it means you were called out for your lie.

Sure.

There’s a sort of crazy wildness about the nasty comments on this blog, nearly all from the far out rightward fringes. Do you realize that within a short time what Bloomberg and Obama have done will do more to advance this country as a true world power than anything else short of full economic recovery. It’s not that rightwing people are stupid, some of the writers here are very bright and able to express ideas clearly if not always with the most polite language. Rather it’s the denial to what’s really happening with the economy and where all this totally irrational and impolite hostility to Obama and Muslims comes from. It makes no difference whether you are consciously or unconsciously racist or prejudice or whether you’re truly concerned about deficits. You don’t seem to have a feel for the flow of history and the causes and effects of what we do. Where are your ideas about what has to be done asides from saying no to all positive, practical and progressive ideas. You didn’t seem to be angry at Bush while he made a serious attempt to wreck the economy and the world while dirtying the image of America. It would be great if more of you could open your mind to the human condition rather than acting out your prejudices. Government is the only thing we have to bind us as a society and instead of working to tear it down as has been the rightwing mantra, let’s try to make it better.

“Do you realize that within a short time what Bloomberg and Obama have done will do more to advance this country as a true world power…” ganymede

I feel much better about unemployment and bankruptcy already! Thank you!!!

ganymede said:
It makes no difference whether you are consciously or unconsciously racist

Coming from a racist, your comment is meaningless.

valkyrie101 said:
Sure.

The point was, you knew that the incident at Abu Ghraib prison was an illegal act and that the people involved were punished. Yet you lumped that in when explaining US policy on torture. That’s no different than to say that, since a rape or a murder occurred in my town last night, my towns policy is to rape and murder. You were being dishonest, (read: you were lying) but since your a liberal, I expect that.

Why all this scared talk of a mosque being built in NY. What better place to watch them, be friends with them and get them to know us and find out that we are not the bad guys. Perhaps they will share this information with the bad guys and stop them from trying to kill us. Or does that not work for you?

gordonbloyershow said:
Obama is the Clown in Chief. How does he do it?

Genius Gordo, just genius. How do you do it?

Yes, but they’re not wanting to build the mosque at the White House dinner. They’re wanting to build it in New York City.

I think, because Obama sees the light that his poll numbers are slipping rapidly, he is now speeding things up to complete his work as described in his book. Look, what more do we need to know? He is a muslim, he lied about it, his party knew about it but, since they were on the “gravy train” why should they admit it? Hillary showed photos of him being christened in Muslim garb, he attends a radical church, Rev. Wright? Look, he is flexing his muscles? now that he knows we really don”t like him anymore, he is no longer the “Saviour” of our country, the one who would make a real change..why didn’t we look into his version of that word BEFORE we elected him. I am a catholic & when I was little, a nun revealed to us what contents of a letter given to a little girl at Fatima, she told us that there would be war with the middle east and that the world would be destroyed by fire, if we didn’t repent. She also related our problems with Russia would be resolved, I didn’t even know where Russia was, I was 8 yrs. old. I’m not a fanatic about religion; however, the Virgin Mary did appear to me at about that same time, no it was not a dream, we lived in a three room apt. & she appeared in the corner of my bedroom, she materialized from what appeared to be a sunbeam & there was a glow surrounding her body, she smiled at me, I sat up in bed & rubbed my eyes, she bowed her head to me and clasped her hands as if to say “Pray”. I shook my sister, who lay beside me & suddenly she disappeared. I was not dreaming, I told the nun about it & she advised me not to tell anyone; however, she gave me pink rosary beads & told me to pray. I have always lived a good & holy life & she has answered many of my prayers, please pray to her or trust your own faith..I fear that the muslim religion is not a religion but a cult. Please contact your congressman, don’t let this mosque be built, New York will never be the same..or will our country.l God Bless America.!

The President is right. The muslim religious community has a right to build its mosque/community center on private property any where it is legally permissible. The whole contraversy is an attempt to defile the constitution. After, all if the right can get people to agree that the basic right of religious freedom is up for debate than there are no rights that are sacred.
Christians killed, maimed, raped, tortured, in the name of God; the Jews killed, maimed, tortured and enslaved in the name of God. The difference is that it took centuries for societies to grow up enough to know that those actions in the name of GOD were really man’s desire to dominate, control and rule any class of people they could conquer. Now, those who would maim, murder, torture in the name of religion are exposed for the brutes they are. American muslims are law abiding citizens, who have a right to raise their children in their faith. Queen Noor says that Islam is really respectful of women but like other male dominated religions, women were subjugated to the male ego. Sharia law does not exist in America and is on the decline because it is being exposed for what it is: a tool of the would be conquerors, terrorists to dominate and enslave.

Helen Nordo said:
He is a muslim

Obama is one of those privileged Americans who think it’s cool to be muslim. I don’t think he’s a hard core muslim, he just thinks it’s cool because it ain’t what “the man” digs. He’s a radical leftist, and has always hung out with other radical leftists, and anything that fucks with “the man’ is cool. His dad was a radical muslim, and you know that claiming muslim heritage in Wright’s church was certainly a plus. He’s not a “real” muslim, but he sure digs being associated with islam.

And actually, Obama being muslim is kinda like kids these days wearing size 900 pants. They know it pisses off their parents, and Obama thinks it’s cool to be different. In reality, he’s an amateur and a peckerhead.

It’s good to know that Obama has finally taken a position on this — “Present”

If this mosque is built, it will attract every jihadist wanabe and become (figuratively and literally) the new Mecca of the world.

Nice to be in the Big Apple. Wonder what we can do tonight.

lanquihue said:
The point was, you knew that the incident at Abu Ghraib prison was an illegal act and that the people involved were punished. Yet you lumped that in when explaining US policy on torture. That’s no different than to say that, since a rape or a murder occurred in my town last night, my towns policy is to rape and murder. You were being dishonest, (read: you were lying) but since your a liberal, I expect that.

If you are saying we did not torture, that is incorrect, and if you are defending water boarding, sleep deprivation, use of psychotic drugs, slamming people around and telling them that you are going to cut off their balls, and other abuses, then you are wrong on that too.

lanquihue said:
And actually, Obama being muslim is kinda like kids these days wearing size 900 pants. They know it pisses off their parents, and Obama thinks it’s cool to be different. In reality, he’s an amateur and a peckerhead.

That was not bad, but “peckerhead”?

valkyrie101 said:
That was not bad, but “peckerhead”?

awww, valk, you know I’m kinda old. :)

Hitler wanted to destroy religion after he did his conquering.

Hitler combined Nordic mythology, witchcraft and astrology with Christianity…THAT IS A NO-NO.

Hitler was defeated by Christian UK, USA, and Australia, and atheist Soviet Union that defeated Hitler.

MUSLIMS IN EUROPE JOINED HITLER. Bosnian and Albanian Muslims gladly joined Hitler’s army and made up regiments of Hitler’s brigades.

The Mufti of Palestine was an ally of Hitler and recruited European Muslims to join his army and was an ally of Hitler.

After WW II was over Nazis escaped to Argentina AND the Middle East…many of the Nazis becoming Muslims in the Middle East.

Mein Kempf means “My Struggle” = Jihad means “Struggle”

valkyrie101 said:
If you are saying we did not torture, that is incorrect, and if you are defending water boarding, sleep deprivation, use of psychotic drugs, slamming people around and telling them that you are going to cut off their balls, and other abuses, then you are wrong on that too.

Then you are against Obama? Since he is also doing the same.

Latin2 said:
Then you are against Obama? Since he is also doing the same.

Actually, not the same.

lanquihue said:
Obama is one of those privileged Americans who think it’s cool to be muslim. I don’t think he’s a hard core muslim, he just thinks it’s cool because it ain’t what “the man” digs. He’s a radical leftist, and has always hung out with other radical leftists, and anything that fucks with “the man’ is cool. His dad was a radical muslim, and you know that claiming muslim heritage in Wright’s church was certainly a plus. He’s not a “real” muslim, but he sure digs being associated with islam.

Because of his upbringing Obama does understand Islam better than most white people. If the goal is to make peace with Islam, that is a good quality.

valkyrie101 said:
Actually, not the same.

He is continuing the same practices…and is sending them to places where they do worse.

Here are who the Liberals are calling “bigots” and “hate mongers”;

http://www.lookingattheleft.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/MG_0212.jpg

http://www.lookingattheleft.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/MG_0073.jpg

Families of 9/11 victims protesting the Ground Zero mosque.

valkyrie101 said:
Because of his upbringing Obama does understand Islam better than most white people. If the goal is to make peace with Islam, that is a good quality.

There is nothing wrong with making peace with rational people but -0bama’s inconsistencies are showing in that he is making war with Christians and Jews.

Stephen Hogan said:
This is evidence that he loves his country. He’s supporting their right to freedom of religious expression.

I have no doubt that -0bama loves his country but just what country is it that he loves?

I no longer have any respect for Mr. Obama. I join a growing number of saddened Americans that simply look forward to this man’s last day in office. What a horrible mistake we all have made.

Phocus2 said:
I no longer have any respect for Mr. Obama. I join a growing number of saddened Americans that simply look forward to this man’s last day in office. What a horrible mistake we all have made.

It is said that a people get the government they deserve. In the case of Mr. -0bama, the rational thinkers in our society let their guard down–we got lazy. Too many fools bought into an idea of “hope and change” and the PR builders created a Messiah for the people who felt they should become rich without putting forth an effort. I am never amazed at the gullibility of the majority of human beings; it’s just too bad that stupidity isn’t painful.

This guy is a suicide bomber operating on behalf of the Republican Party. His mission is to destroy the Democratic Party as a viable political entity for the foreseeable future. NOBODY who has made it this far on the national stage could so insensitive to the opinions of the voters of this country as to go so far in direct opposition to their wishes and opinions, unless his intention is to alienate as many folks as possible for as long as possible. He has GOT to be a plant!

Latin2 said:
He is continuing the same practices…and is sending them to places where they do worse.

Right. But if that was true, would you object?

WideAwakeNow said:
But let me be clear. The ‘right’ to build the mosque is a silly premise to begin with. It’s a cold hard disrespectful slap in the face to our nation and to those who died on 9/11. ..It’s an out and out in your face stance that the muslim world has chosen to take. But….like much else in our society..we will most likely pander and cater to political correctness and the mosque will be built. Only when Sharia IS the law of the land and we are all bowing to Allah (in their dreams) will we then take a step back and realize we’ve been slowly but surely………..had.

I expected no less of you President Obama.

Obama just said what our core beliefs are and should be,are they correct is to be seen in the future.

President George W. Bush started the “Ramadan Dinners” after the Middle Eastern Immigrants leaders complained about their members treatment after the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon when the FBI called them-in for questioning about their contacts with thyeir homelands.

The Middle Easterners are highly eductated and have considerable money from their businesses that they spend on political organising and converting Americans in the universities and the prisons to their religion.

The U.S. State Department continues to bring thousands of Middle Easterners to be “resettled” as “Political Asylum” refugees in the U.S. If even a small percentage of them have the desire to inflict mass casualities on Americans they are a disaster waiting to happen:

http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/profiles/blogs/palestinians-have-missle

I just wanted to say to to Latin2 are you a Muslim? I GUESS NOT! People all the facts that Latin2 wrote about Islam and Muhammed (May Allah’s Peace be Upon Him) ARE ALL UNTRUE. Why write about something and call it facts when you have no Knowledge of. Why twist words and lie about Islam and the Prophets. Protesting whether you approve or disapprove about the mosque being built in ground zero is one thing but making up lies about Islam and Muhammed(may Allah’s Peace be Upon Him) is a whole different story. He or she wants to manipulate peoples thought s about Islam.

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