I said yesterday they would reverse this policy within a week, okay it was a day. Seriously what were they thinking?

So it’s okay to murder innocent babies and to fund that but not to make a principled and moral stand? Not donating to that charity anymore.

hahahahahahaha…….we sooooooo sorry….we’re wingnuts so we couldnt help ourselves…looks like MLB,NFL, NBA and NHL will continue to sport pink stuff…..and you republicans can continue to sneak over to PP for your pap smears and abortions

And everyone wins.

OOOOOOOOOPS

Is it a reversal or a clarification? They stress criminal investigation, but a number of PP chapters are now under criminal investigation. And as many have pointed out elsewhere, the brouhaha will ultimately hurt Planned Parenthood. Other organizations have got the message: once you start giving money to PP, YOU WILL NEVER BE ALLOWED TO STOP.

And sanity was restored across the land.  I guess they figured their line of reasoning would mean they would have to take their funding away from Penn State and dozens of other organizations across America.  

“We want to apologize to the American public for recent decisions that cast
doubt upon our commitment to our mission of saving women’s lives,”

and just how are you doing that by funding the termination of the lives of future women?

This was all an evil scheme by Komen to get more money for them and Planned Parenthood and increase the number of abortions. PP raised a bunch of money after Komen announced they would end their grants. Komen raised a lot of money from their supporters. Now, the funding has been reinstated and there will be more abortions because of this scam by Komen. They will now continue giving money to the abortion provider leading to more abortions just like they wanted. Komen is pro-abortion. 

This was not about abortion. This is about an organization whose mission involves saving women’s lives. PP’ mission involves providing women with health care and preventive services. The common goal within both organizations were Women. Making this about abortion was and remains wrong. The public spoke out and obviously someone thought this was a disaster for an organization that noone associated with any political view (no matter the founder’s personal political views).

A fetus is not a baby.

The greatest motivator of the liberal base is overreaching conservatives. Always has been always will be. Thanks overreaching republicans!

Lol!! Another example of Republicans failing in their agenda!!

Apology accepted. 

Dana Loesch & Michele Malkins heads exploding in 3.2……..

Yes, if that is how you must look at it. Abortion is legal in the United States for many good reasons.

I’m sure they will miss you.  

the best thing they could do to repair their reputation is to dump Karen Handel and oust Nancy Brinker while they are at it.   Nancy has perverted her sisters legacy into a purely commercial operation to increase her own wealth, and Karen is using this as a venue for her continued radical conservative agenda.

Let that be a lesson to you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because that “principled and moral stand” triggered by something that only made up 3% of Planned Parenthood’s services (abortions) came at the expense of far less controversial (and political) services like cancer screening, contraception and STD testing.  (You might not like the latter two, but STD testing does serve a role in public health, and contraception makes your job of policing people’s bedrooms and bodyparts easier.) 

 Their grants are not given to Planned Parenthood for the funding of abortions you dolt.  It’s for supporting cancer screenings and checkups.

Komen has repeatedly said it wasn’t about abortion – it was about the best use of their dollars. PP supporters and prolife people made it about the abortion issue.

Komen’s message hasn’t really changed. The only difference is that they changed the line that investigations must be criminal, and said Planned Parenthood is ELIGIBLE to apply. 

They didn’t say Planned Parenthood will be awarded grants, or that they will meet the requirements they set forth. (like, maybe, I guess: must perform mammograms)

Komen has repeatedly said that existing grants were moving forward, and they were still funding three Planned Parenthoods. 

You should probably take off your tinfoil hat and retreat back into your mother’s basement.

I think people are getting two messages from this situation. First, there is no cause so important that anti-choicers won’t undermine it in an attempt to control women. Second, that in spite of the anti-choicers best efforts to demonize Planned Parenthood there are still millions of people who strongly support them in providing critical health care for women who would otherwise not have it.

While this news is wonderful for the ~200K women that will get screening due to the funds provided to PP by SGK, we’ve learned where SGK’s true motivation derives from and what their principles are.

I still don’t believe SGK is worthy of future donations re Breast Cancer. 

You Should Find the Anti-Komen Backlash Disgusting, Even If You’re Pro-Choice
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/290083/you-should-find-anti-komen-backlash-disgusting-even-if-youre-pro-choice-daniel-foster 

The statement doesn’t actually commit to doing anything differently, if it is carefully read.  All Komen is saying is that Planned Parenthood is still eligible for grants, having rescinded their suspension that was based on the Congressional probe, and that grants already approved would continue.  Komen notes that they will still develop the guidelines that will help their funding directly impact their mission, and I’d bet that means that Planned Parenthood will still get a lot less money from Komen in the future, as most of their clinics don’t provide mammograms or treatments.  This is just a more intelligent approach to the issue, and one that would not have created the political firestorm that arose this week had Komen taken it from the beginning. 

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/03/breaking-komen-announces-that-planned-parenthood-eligibility-for-funding-will-continue/ 

Now all hell breaks loose from the other side.

Sorry, SGK, you blew it.  Now you can’t win.

The liberal media wins. Tell me again how the main stream media isnt liberally biased. If it wasn’t for the outrage from the main stream liberal media giving planned parenthood and pro-abortion activists a platform this wouldn’t have been overturned in a day. They always put Planned Parenthood in a positive light, never giving equal time to anti-abortion voices just like they didnt even mention the March of Life in DC last week where thousands marched. 

Susan G. Komen Foundation, you just got Lowes’ed.

Yes. And, Tricky Dick Nixxon said he wasn’t a crook, Raygun said that there was no quid pro quo in Iran Contra, President Clinton said he wasn’t having an affair with that woman, W said there were WMD’s in Iraq, Governor Happy Pants Sanford said he was hiking the Appalachian Trail, Larry Craig said he just had a wide stance. People say many things they know are not true. And, even some of the Komen Board members and key contributors knew that the “signifying” was not true. They were dropping like flies.

Are you speaking metaphorically? If not, be sure to give me a You Tube link when it happens.

Fingers crossed.

I don’t think they had any idea the power of the media flashmob about to go against them.

The other lesson is that PP has a tremendously strong public relations arm. In all the stories I saw it was PP’s and only PP’s viewpoint being put out there.  

Especially if you are going to be a staffer for Newt Gingrich.

So, you lost, but America and Americans won. I’m sure we can all live with that.

If one thing comes from this, hopefully it will be people on the right learning that people won’t stand for them using non partisan charities as a tool for pushing their political agenda, especially one that they’ve failed to achieve several times now on a national level like the de-funding of Planned Parenthood.

“Let’s go home kids.” -Homer Simpson
“We are home dad.” -Lisa and Bart
“That was quick.” -Homer

 You talk to women who have had miscarriages like that?  Because some women who were pregnant, and then miscarried after not following  every single precaution such as not getting enough rest, exercising strenuously, or even having sex (for high risk pregnancies,) then what’s to stop you from suspecting all women who miscarry of criminal negligence? 
Do not ever criticize women who have been raped, or the victims of incest or physical violence, or women in serious financial straits left by their partners, or cancer patients forced to choose between treatment and terminating their pregnancies, or women suffering from severe depression, and even women who became pregnant even after undergoing painful tubal ligations, and have chosen that the best decision for themselves is to not carry the pregnancy to term.
Stay out of the personal medical decisions of women you do not know!

Then what is it? It’s not a fish. It’s not the woman’s liver cells. It has a distinct and separate DNA code from that of the mother or the father. It is a unique human being that is in a different phase of development. Society used to say that blacks and Jews were not human either. Saying it’s not a baby is the same thing. If it’s not a baby, then she is not pregnant.

Slavery used to be legal too. Just because it’s legal doesn’t make it right.

What!  No Soledad O’Brien promos in this one?  Still time to add some kind of an update, Alex.

You need to get out more, or be a bit more careful about your selection bias. Koman’s people were interviewed in quite a number of places, their press releases were linked to and so was Nancy Binker’s video message. More importantly, most of the discussion in favor of Planed Parenthood came not from the organization itself, but from supporters who saw through Koman’s obvious lies and were disgusted by them.

It was Koman’s choice to implement a policy clearly designed to specifically target Planned Parenthood and then to lie about it in a painfully obvious way. If they weren’t prepared for the response that reflects poorly on them, not on Planned Parenthood.

Jeff, until you can get pregnant yourself, stay the hell out of the abortion debate.
Spend your time protesting the death penalty, disarming the military and the police, fighting with hospitals to stop taking people off life support, advocating for insurance companies to cover even illegal immigrants who are pregnant, and best of all, finding homes for the 515,000 children waiting to be adopted or in foster care.  Most likely will never happen, since it seems for some, life begins at conception, and ends at birth.

That’s a red herring. Rape and incest account for less that 1% of all abortions. The truth is that abortions are done because the child is an inconvenience. The difference between a miscarriage and abortion should be clear. Abortion is the intentional action taken by the mother to kill the person she is carrying. A miscarriage is a sad and natural death. 

Can you please list a Planned Parenthood facility that DOES DO  mamograms???  Seriously.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq0kBkUZbvQ

Planned Parenthood demands its pound of flesh…and gets it.

Abortion is the intentional killing of the baby. Miscarriage is a natural death. The point about rape and incest is a red herring. Those cases account for less than 1% of abortions. the truth is that abortions are done because the baby is going to be an inconvenience. 

If this wasn’t primarily about abortion one would think that Koman would have put a plan in place to provide funding for alternate means for low income women to receive cancer screenings before they pulled funding from the only organization doing that in most of the country. Funny how that’s not what they did.

 The Supreme Court has ruled that way, and it has been the law of the land for almost 40 years.  Otherwise, and using common sense, wouldn’t all women who have miscarried be suspected of criminal negligence, because some didn’t take every precaution to prevent a miscarriage?
Why are men even putting themselves in the middle of this?  How about women dictating to and trying to control what private medical decisions men make, such as over prostate cancer screenings, since new evidence indicates that annual prostate cancer screenings do not reduce deaths from the disease.

and we can go on, and on, and on, and on, and on, with reasoned, logcal, and sensible  justifications to terminating the lives of those around us. some time in the near future we’ll be making excuses and reasoned arguments about ending the lives of the mentally ill.  then we’ll progress to arguing about how much more humane it would be to ending the lives of the elderly. then the next thing you know we’re just like China or Nazi Germany.

As you may have heard, the Susan G. Komen for the Cure foundation just announced that it was reversing its decision to ban Planned Parenthood from applying for grants to cover breast cancer screenings — after a massive outcry that spread from women’s groups to social media to Capitol Hill.

The question now is what its announcement actually means.

I just got off the phone with a Komen board member, and he confirmed that the announcement does not mean that Planned Parenthood is guaranteed future grants — a demand he said would be “unfair” to impose on Komen. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/komen-caved-or-did-it/2012/02/03/gIQA9tS9mQ_blog.html?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost

Liar.

 You said it brother. Let her cry in her spaghetti with marinara sauce.

 Your tax dollars go to killing men, women and children every day my friend…sleep on that.

 Lets try and get this straight. If you are against abortions….Don’t have one.
Just so you know….who is responsible for 50% of abortions? The ending of a pregnancy.
Abortions in this case aren’t surgical abortions.

In English s/he’s called God, in other countries Gott, in Arabic Allah-even if you are a Christian in Arabic speaking countries s/he’s still called Allah.

For those of us that aren’t against abortions, we shouldn’t have your religious views pushed on us.

Your rights end, where mine begin
How would you like it if you had to obey Kosher Laws and Other OT things..

The following are just a few of the things that the OT calls “Abominations unto God”
No more hamburgers and a milkshake or milk,
No more ham or bacon with your eggs.
No more Lobsters, Clams, Oysters or Shrimp.
Your husband/boyfriend would have to stop shaving and getting a haircut

No more wearing a Latex Bra with your cotton blouse/dress.  (shoot even a mixed blend is forbidden if you go bra-less)
No more wearing jewelry except for a (spartan) wedding ring. (nothing fancy)
Your boyfriend/husband would have to stop wearing underwear that has an elastic band with his cotton briefs. He’d also have to stop wearing a silk or other non-Cotton tie with his cotton shirt.
No more cotton underwear while he’s wearing a wool suit.
If you’re a farm girl your family would have to stop planting two different crops next to each other.

Also learn that a baby has taken a breath. The unborn are called fetus’.

Really, Zac, bringing in a law that hasn’t been around since before the 1865?
Please direct your time and energies towards adopting or taking in some of the 515,000 children waiting to be adopted or in foster care.  Or helping the thousands of children abused by parents who didn’t want them.

Brinker takes a salary of over $450,000.00 a year

You claim to be a housewife, so I assume you know the difference between a regular breast exam and a mammogram, right?  You understand when you are under 40 you only get a mammogram when the doctor finds something suspect during your regular breast exam, right?  You also understand most doctor’s offices don’t have a mammography machine, and when the doc finds a lump to have to go to the clinic with all the fancy and expensive machines, right?  I mean, you are a woman and would know these things…

 Sure you’ve heard this before, but that is crazy talk.

Of course there are no guaranteed grants, just as there is no guaranteed donations. Nonetheless, we still handed the abortion opponents a good old-fashioned ass whipping.

P.S.
Good luck with the next “personhood” initiative. ROFLMAO!!!!!!

First of all, they didn’t pull funding. The existing grants were continuing. 

They also were going to continue funding three planned parenthood facilities in areas that had no other facilities available. 

They also did not pull the dollars away from low income women – they were reallocating the funds, moving forward, to agencies that provide the actual mammograms – free mammograms to low income women.  So, basically, you were misinformed on every point.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-insane-outrage-against-the-komen-foundation-is-totally-disproportionate-2012-2 

 Tax dollars go toward killing men, women and children everyday.  Even a reservist knows that. 

yea, nice job on unnecessarily and falsely attacking an organization that has worked for 30 years trying to educate and cure breast cancer. 

ps. wtf are you talking about? i am pro-choice.

Undoubtedly, my dear. Komen just received the clearest possible message, and it is going to ignore it. In fact, the virulent, mean-spirited sort of American social conservatism you so fondly embrace from afar remains under persistent challenge from moderates, independents, liberals and progressives and is now being largely rejected by the Republican party. Human progress is a wondrous thing to behold, much as the expressions of anger and angst who thought they’d be in the parade. Facts is, a parade in reverse just isn’t much of a parade.

liar.

Every website has pretty much this same headline but if anyone has read the SK memo, it really has NOT changed anything.. yet.   re-read their statement..  

funding was already still avail to finish out contracts.
applications for future grants was never stopped.. applications can’t be stopped (they simply could deny them)

they hired a republican evangelical anti PP person as their VP.. when they fire her, and bring back those who resigned over this decision they might start to restore their past-good name..

as it is now they are history.. i won’t support them ever again.. i’m not donating to an org who offers a pink handgun ..

Komen has repeatedly said it wasn’t about abortion – it was about the best use of their dollars. PP supporters and prolife people made it about the abortion issue.

Komen’s message hasn’t really changed. The only difference is that they changed the line that investigations must be criminal, and said Planned Parenthood is ELIGIBLE to apply. 

They didn’t say Planned Parenthood will be awarded grants, or that they will meet the requirements they set forth. (like, maybe, I guess: must perform mammograms)

Komen has repeatedly said that existing grants were moving forward, and they were still funding three Planned Parenthoods.

So only woman can be in the abortion debate. Does that mean we cant debate the military if you’re not part of the military, cant debate police brutality cause you’re not a cop, can’t debate stem cell research cause I’m not a doctor. What a stupid argument.

What did I lose, what the hell do I have to cry over? 

Nothing really has changed, except how they classify eligible companies. Really, the only thing that came out of this was to see how rabid PP supporters, are, and how hysterical they are. Charities beware – once you give to Planned Parenthood, you are forced to donate for life. Or else.

Indeed, I don’t think the fall-out is over. My wife and my daughter-in-law are hopping mad and plan not to participate in walks and other activities as they have in the past. Even my daughter, much more concerned with fingernail polish than politics, as a rule, is miffed.

Sorry, but unlike you, I read between the lines.

Thank you for proving my long-held belief that there is more than one way to silence a woman.

Ever do ANY research?
Do you even know anything about miscarriages?  If a woman exercises too much, or has been told by her doctor to stay on bed rest and doesn’t, or if a woman drives without a seat belt and is injured, or if a woman has had 19 children, and is over 40, has had health problems, and then miscarries, she could be seen to have contributed to the end of her pregnancy. 
Since rape and incest are underreported, it is impossible to determine the percentage of women who are victims of a terrible and violent crime, and who have then decided to end their pregnancies.
You do know women have died undergoing illegal abortions?  Women have died giving birth?  Why should rape victims, or women beaten by their partners be subjected to further emotional and physical harm?  How about the children, who are beaten by parents who did not want them?
Talk to a cancer patient who is pregnant, and chooses to save her own life.

What are the odds you’ve never written to denounce the death penalty, the military, the police, hospitals giving patients the choice to go off life support?  I’d say extremely high.

Yes, the fact or our little Italian expat has a stated position of “pro-choice” means little when her conduct screams “pro-life”.

Liar.

It always seems the more dicey the issue becomes the more troglodytic people behave. 

First of all, it’s really too bad that the abortion debate is in any way shaped by a bunch of old, rich, fat men. 

I would like some of the people screaming about abortions to actually meet some of the women who go through with it. 

well, then you must realize that nothing has really changed from their original announcement, and there is no reason for you to be jumping around and claiming victory, then is there?

pleas learn science before you run off at the mouth, a cell, a fetus, is NOT a baby! Under your logic, I am killing babies every time I jerk off. If that’s the case, I’m the worlds most prolific serial killer.

Looks like American Patriots issued another teabillie smackdown!

Big gubbermint control loving GOP/Baggers will not be tolerated in America .

ITS OVER girls !

Lets go to the woman that started all of this.  What is Jane Roes position today regarding this issue??? ;)  You will notice the media almost never discuses Ms Roes change in position :)   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_McCorvey 

here is a question for all you pro-life zealots. Tell us how you feel about death penalty? Hypocrites!! Funny how 99& pro lifers, also believe in death penalty. 

 CHOICE !!! Do you get it? When conservative activist start taking their partisan and ideological beliefs and IMPOSE them where they have no business then they deserve all the scorn vitriol and condemnation generated by their activities.

Conservative activism has no place in not for profit non partisan charities, applying conservative principles to the Red Cross nearly destroyed the mission of that organization as it tried to transform from an emergency & disaster services provider into a financial clearing house to fund other organizations as private contractors providing those services.
IT DIDN’T WORK and nearly destroyed the Red Cross as it had to explain why it was suddenly spending 70-90% of its donations on salaries at the top and fundraising and only 10-30% on meeting the stated mission of the Red Cross, help in an emergency, in disaster relief, and support during recovery from severe adversity.

i believe the adoption process is so difficult many parents end up adopting outside of the country.

bullshit. arguing facts isn’t about what i personally believe. we have discussed this at length on mediaite, so i am not going to rehash, but you obviously don’t know diddly about my opinions on the issue.

 I”m guessing that you are a guy. There are certain situations where
having an abortion IS a health issue. Have you never heard of the
exemptions for the “health of the mother”. There are times when trying
to carry a fetus to term can KILL the mother. The big three reasons for
exemptions just so you know are rape, incest and health of the mother.

My 17 year old cousin died giving birth. Here are some other “Women’s
Health Issues” for abortion. Pre-Enclampsia can kill both, Enclampsia ditto,  Ectopic Pregnancy-* would kill both the woman and fetus, Vaginal
Bleeding, Pelvic or Abdominal Pain, Persistent Back Pain, Gush of Fluid
from the Vagina, Swelling of the Hands & Feet-Edema, Severe
Headaches & Blurry Vision, No Fetal Movement. So yes, having an
abortion can be a Health Issue.

Several issues listed above can even kill the mother after delivery.

Imagine the amount of funding increase they would get if they dropped the abortion services. 

The pressure against this was wonderful.Americans are watching Republican/Tea Party.The dirty little tricks are noticed. I just love what freedom of speech can do.We Have A Voice and it does Make a Difference!

It wasn’t the mainstream media who generated the backlash — it was social media.  Most of the outcry came from Twitter, Facebook, etc.

And there have been leaks from inside sources that the “new guidelines” that led to the cut-off in funding for PP were developed specifically for that purpose.  It’s no big secret that the congressional “hearings” are purely political, with Planned Parenthood as the target, a la ACORN.

I assume you are speaking of war. War has claimed the lives of innocent people and it is a terrible thing, I agree. But sometimes war is necessary to protect innocent life and to preserve liberty. But that doesn’t make abortion okay. That’s like saying that Jeffrey Dahmer wasn’t such a bad guy when you look at Ted Bundy. 

 Oh because she has been hounded into changing her mind that’s a good reason to strip women of the right of self determination and their right to choose?

It does not matter that she changed her mind that is her choice and has no validity when discussing other womans right to choose for them selves.

Nor does left wing activism have any place imposing their partisan and ideological beliefs where they have no business. Of course, leftists think everything is their business.

Think about it a little longer…

Not the same thing at all. It’s private medical decisions personal to women only.  It’s women’s lives at stake (you do know women have died giving birth?) Furthermore, the most fundamental right is the right to control one’s own body. 

You want women dictating and controlling what decisions you and other men are allowed to make regarding your own health?  Since there is a debate going on over prostate exams, how about women arguing that insurance companies should not be allowed to cover them for all men?

I don’t think you want to go with that analogy.  If someone assaults a pregnant woman and the baby dies then they are charged with murder.  This is actually an argument that pro-lifers make.

same thing could be said about pro-choice advocates who oppose death penalty. protect the lives of brutal murderers but abort innocent unborn? sounds a little wonky to me.

She caved to the crazies!

Maybe the couple who made the baby being aborted should have made more responsible CHOICES in the first place!

Yes.  The money goes towards the dumpster service where they through away the plastic gloves…. not the dead babies.

You are making a fool out of yourself – again. TRRE is correct.  America wins.  

Not good enough. This is what Brinker said yesterday. They will honor the grants they already made but will ‘consider’ future grants. Look. Komen can give who they want to. I personally will never support them again. They lied for 48 hours. They are spinning the statement. They are full of right wing people who would rather oppose abortion than fund breast cancer screenings. MUCH has come out about their ‘philanthrophy’. In many of these ‘underserved’ communities that they piously talk about there is nobody else THERE but Planned Parenthood. They tried to denigrate PP as a ‘pass thru’. Hell, my DOCTOR is a pass thru. I go to the BREAST CANCER CLINIC for my mammogram. My money will serve women in different places. The Evelyn Lauder Foundation is a great place to start.

Go to any abortion clinic and I will bet you 100% of the women there are not having that abortion because their health is at risk.

 Ever do ANY research?
Do you even know anything about miscarriages? 
If a woman exercises too much, or has been told by her doctor to stay
on bed rest and doesn’t, or if a woman drives without a seat belt and is
injured, or if a woman has had 19 children, and is over 40, has had
health problems, and then miscarries, she could be seen to have
contributed to the end of her pregnancy. 
Since rape and incest are
underreported, it is impossible to determine the percentage of women who
are victims of a terrible and violent crime, and who have then decided
to end their pregnancies.
You do know women have died undergoing
illegal abortions?  Women have died giving birth?  Why should rape
victims, or women beaten by their partners be subjected to further
emotional and physical harm?  How about the children, who are beaten by
parents who did not want them?
Talk to a cancer patient who is pregnant, and chooses to save her own life.

What
are the odds you’ve never written to denounce the death penalty, the
military, the police, hospitals giving patients the choice to go off
life support?  I’d say extremely high.

Yes, it is “inconvenient” for a 16 year old girl in poverty to raise a child.  When that same 16 year old goes on public assistance, it becomes an “inconvenience” for you.  Is providing free and easily accessed birth control more up your….alley?  Or is that murder too?  

why are men so adamant about abortion, they really don’t have an interest in it, their bodies aren’t involved in it, and the only part they have in it is encouraging the acts that lead to it with no thought of consequences.  But it’s usually the men who are most indignant.  What hypocrites.  It’s a control thing or a mental problem.

dude, seriously? this is in your profile? ”
 love asian women.” LAME-O

“abort innocent unborn”

Yeah, that sounds like a  pro-choice comment to me.

No you moron.  The egg has to be feritized for it be be a baby.  Your sperm is not a baby.  What a jerk.

Not stupid at all. Your analogies are way off. The issues you bring are all actions that affect our safety and healthcare as a nation. The actions of our police, military, and health researchers have a significant impact on our nation in a tangible sense.

Abortion, however, is a wholly private matter. The only person truly affected by the pregnancy is the woman and the fetus. Her decision-making should not be impeded by men.

Angel has been making a very good point that people are so quick to defend a fetus. Yet oftentimes those same people will look at the rampant poverty in this country, which affects 16 million children, and say they just need to work harder.

Of course the baby killers never do anything to explain or demonstrate just exactly what breast cancer prevention services they offer (they take money for doing mammograms but don’t), they just give the signal to the complicit liberal media who sets off the false hysteria. And once again, someone bows to the marxist pressure.

Where can the people who donated $1,000,000 over the last 24 hours go to get a refund?

No, you’re just buying into the spin. National Review and Business Insider are hardly experts on women’s health. There are not enough agencies that directly provide mammograms for low income women to replace the work done by Planned Parenthood and there is no good reason for referrals to be an issue any way. My primary care physion doesn’t do mammograms in her office either, she gives me a referral to a dedicated facility. Why is it suddenly a problem that Planned Parenthood does the same thing for women without insurance?

Koman’s priorities in this are obvious, whether you want to see it or not.

Where can the people who donated $1,000,000 over the last 24 hours go to get a refund?

HAHA! Glad to be able to touch a nerve! My job is done here! Ive pissed off my quota of conservaterds for the day. But hey, its Friday, lets have some fun.

anyways, parent you religious rightwingnuts all about personal liberty, and govt not getting involved in our lives. WTF, is this than? 

GTFO out of woman’s wombs, and leave the choice the the individual. 

Ohh, wait I see. You guys only want freedon and personal liberty, for the things you agree with. But when it comes to gay marriage, or abortion, or religion, then you want govt. involved. HYPOCRITES! 

Why would they want a refund??

Don’t fool yourself it is in no way a ‘charity’ – it is a giant corporation.

 Riiight, because all decisions handed down by the Supreme Court should be overturned based solely on whether the original plaintiff changes his or her mind? 
That’s a good way to waste some of your time – go through all the decisions the Supreme Court has ever made, find out if the plaintiffs now criticize the outcome of their cases, and post on multiple sites what you’ve found as a way to argue against the cases.

I agree, not until they fire their vice-president!!

I would argue that pro-life men and woman alike fight for their cause not because they are directly affected by abortion but more b/c they believe this is a moral issue.  Just the same as those against the death penalty fight for their cause for the same reason.  Surely Tookie Williams being put to death doesn’t directly affect the multitudes of people (friends and family aside before someone points that out) that gathered to support him and act on his behalf for clemency.  And just so no assumptions are made, I am a pro-life, anti-death penalty conservative.  Oh, and a man.

what do you call it? have you seen these images?

4D ultrashound:
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/4d-ultrasound-pictures/images/photo5.jpg 

Baby in the womb, getting surgery:
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/4D-Ultrasound-pictures/images/MichaelClancyPhoto.jpg 

they sure look like unborn innocent babies, to me.like i said, facts vs. personal beliefs. I can argue either side. I support it, because i think without abortion, we will see back-alley abortions. that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t work to eliminate the need, and rely more on morning after pills and contraception. many women have abortions and later regret the decision. 

but i also fully GET the beliefs of pro-lifers who believe it is murder of innocent unborn – my husband being one. they aren’t crazy fanatics. it is a moral issue. one they whole heartily disagree with. doesn’t make them evil.

 Damn you’re an ID–T.

As you may have heard, the Susan G. Komen for the Cure foundation just announced that it was reversing its decision to ban Planned Parenthood from applying for grants to cover breast cancer screenings — after a massive outcry that spread from women’s groups to social media to Capitol Hill.

The question now is what its announcement actually means.

I just got off the phone with a Komen board member, and he confirmed that the announcement does not mean that Planned Parenthood is guaranteed future grants — a demand he said would be “unfair” to impose on Komen.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/komen-caved-or-did-it/2012/02/03/gIQA9tS9mQ_blog.html?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost

I don’t think they really changed anything. They are trying to clarify their message, which is pretty much the same as it was two days ago. and trying to calm the hysterical liberal reactionaries.  

Just a quick point.  Arguing the Supreme Court decreed when a life becomes a life is a rather weak position to stand on.  Would you bear that same standard in a slavery debate after the Dred Scott decision??

You do not know which women miscarried from negligence or an intentional act, so taking Zac’s argument to its unacceptable and logical conclusion, all women who miscarry could be subjected to criminal investigations.

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act is different.  It is intended to be used against perpetrators of crimes against pregnant women. The Bill explicitly contains a provision excepting abortion.

 Your a lying scumbag, either your in Italy as you claim or your a scumbag conservative of incredible wealth and connections RIGHT HERE IN THE GOOD OL US OF A or you just continually make things up and nothing you say can be believed.

and if true then this means that the conservative activists have decided to play a game and just look and sound all reasonable now and will just not make anymore grants to Planned Parenthood in the future. A delayed for the moment war on the poor women. Its class warfare with an ideological basis for its justification, why does a board member of a charity or its actual working staff need a 700,000 dollar a year income from the donations, those are private for profit sector scales of pay.

Please reread the press release.  It’s mostly double talk (and lies where they claim it was not political) and they never say they will refund Planned Parenthood!

To make choices, you need access to contraception. And even with contraception, sometimes methods fail.  An embryo is not a fetus, and a fetus is not a living breathing baby. Everyone should get all the help they need to prevent unwanted pregnancies. People who are against abortion should not have them. 

 We get it for yourself its a choice issue but other woman must bow to the anti-abortionists.

I knew a woman who had pre-eclampsia, was advised to end the pregnancy and didn’t do that; she died, the fetus died, and her two-year-old child was orphaned, would grow up never really knowing her own mother.

They haven’t reversed the policy. They’ve tweaked to specify criminal investigations. And they haven’t restored any funding to PP.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/komen-caved-or-did-it/2012/02/03/gIQA9tS9mQ_blog.html

 An absolute rule of lunatic-left d-cRAT socialist extremism: “abort, abort and abort – and ALWAYS do it with taxpayer money”.

Adolf had his ovens; the lunatic-left have the mass abortion factory of planned parenthood.

SPECIAL HISTORICAL NOTE TO THE LUNATIC-LEFT D-CRAT SOCIALISTS: Margaret Sanger, who founded Planned Parenthood, was an avowed racist and bigot who believed in eugenics, and wanted blacks and other minorities eradicated by giving them access to abortion and other reproduction limiting methods !!!!!!!

Holy crap…I see the batshits are out in full force on that one huh…

I gotta say,it warms my heart to see you all so pissed off over women having fundamental rights about their own goddamn bodies.You people are truly conservatives,aren’t you?No huge, gigantic irony there huh?

Good times,baby,good times..

*drink*

that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t work to eliminate the need, and rely more on morning after pills and contraception.

Agreed. Now we get to the fun part, though. If we all agree abortions are bad how do we combat them? Increased research into morning after pills? Easier access to birth control? Even for teenagers? Maybe put contraceptives in schools? 

You can see how this opens a whole new can of worms. 

Come on… you have to know the difference between intentional and unintentional. When a pregnant women exercises, she’s not doing it to kill the baby.And do you really think that pregnant women get into car accidents for the purpose of killing their baby? 
Sure rape and incest are under-reported but we have to use the numbers that are there. We can’t just start making up data to suit a particular agenda. Rape and incest are terrible. That’s why there should be SEVERE punishment for doing it. If a guy knew, for example, that a rape conviction would result in castration, I bet we would see a sharp drop in the numbers! I’ll be the first to vote yes!!I HATE that women have died undergoing illegal abortions. That’s one more really great reason they shouldn’t have an abortion. Women also die giving birth, I get it. My step-sister’s mother was one of them and now my sister will never know her biological mother. It’s terrible and I wish it didn’t happen. But again, this was not the intended outcome. Sometimes people just die. I am also against parents beating children and husbands beating wives, wives beating husbands, people torturing puppies and I’m against police brutality and unnecessary war (so should we disband them?) … but we’re not talking about those things. We’re talking about abortions. I’m also not a huge fan of the death penalty but let’s point out an important difference. People who are put to death are not innocent. They have done something horrible. Unborn babies haven’t done anything wrong. 

The ability to either choose to stay on life support or to die naturally is entirely up to the person. Again, this type of death is a natural process and is a very different issue. The reason I choose to respond to the abortion issue is because it’s something very close to my heart for several reasons. Also, it’s not like any of these other issues. It’s on a completely different level. 

Why is discus posting replies as new comments?

A prostate exam doesn’t kill your children.

What about the thousands of children in foster care?  Why not work towards making the process easier instead of wasting time attacking women for making their own health choices?  515,000 children, and they’re all waiting to be adopted or given homes, just because of bureaucratic red tape, or is it just that those who condemn abortions aren’t really willing to take any other steps to improve the situations women and unwanted children face?

Demonstrably, you are not Pro-Choice. Now that you have effectively conceded that, so be it. It is an opinion to which you are entitled, and I will protect your right to express it, even from afar. Just stop the Pro-Choice charade now.

Right. Not a baby. A nascent human being.

We really ought to repeal the murder laws and leave the choice to the people!

The view that Komen may choose which organizations it wishes to donate to is “anti-choice”. The view that a not-for-profit charity must donate to a for-profit company is “pro-choice”. This torture of the English language is double-plus ungood.

 1857 ruling?  You couldn’t find anything in this century, or the last one?
There’s a reason the Supreme Court ruled the way it did – otherwise why wouldn’t all women who miscarry be subjected to a criminal investigation?

I really do not think you “pissed off your quota”. The only think I have gleaned is someone with an odd moniker,  making a fool of oneself.No one is advocating govt. involvement in your laundry  list; Perhaps you should excogitate somewhat more before posting moronic comments?

Nobody’s funding miscarriages.

Getting a prostate exam can save a man’s life if it’s found that he has prostate cancer, and can then get treatment.  You do know that, right?

Military…does not take place in my womb.  Police brutality…does not take place in my womb.  Stem cell research…does not take place in MY womb.  You can debate whatever you want…but you don’t get to make decisions about my womb.  

 Huh? America wins what?

I have been involved in the issue. My girlfriend and I got pregnant in high school. She was 16 and I was 17. My family was willing to support me, her and our baby, but her parents made her have an abortion. I loved her very much and wanted to get married and have the baby. So did she, or at least that’s what she told me. That has been over 16 years ago and it still affects me. See, it was my baby too and I didn’t have a choice. People claim to be “pro-choice” but no one was in favor of my right to choose whether to have a baby or not. 

 An egg that has been fertilized is called a fertilized egg. (not a baby)  It then must become implanted hopefully in the womb for it to begin the process of becoming a fetus. (it’s still not a baby)  Then after about 9 months when it is either delivered by C-Section or Naturally (hours and hours for some) once it’s out and takes it’s first breath it is a baby.

Have you ever studied non/viability of the fetus? Look it up for yourself.

If we follow your logic. Once an egg is fertilized we can take it out of the woman’s womb and it would still be a baby.

Or if couples have gone through IVF and had their embryo’s frozen all of those would be called baby’s. So if we let them thaw out they’d be baby’s by your definition of a fertilized egg being a baby.

Guess what none of those would be considered a baby.

You must have gone to school under the Bush’s administrations (Non)-Sex Ed classes where only abstinence was taught. Otherwise you’d know a whole lot more than you do. Or your school didn’t teach any Sex Ed classes or your parents had you excused from the real Sex Ed classes. So you really know nothing about Sexual Education.

And God forbid your parents didn’t teach you Sex Ed, because they were to embarrassed to teach you things such as using a Condom to prevent pregnancy.
Under the Bush administration if a kid asked about Condom use they were told that it was only about 70% effective instead of the 97.5%. They used the figure of what happened when the guy tried to unroll the condom the wrong way.

ohhh! someone got worked up and pulled out a thesaurus. Ouch.. If you and your wingnut ilk dont advocate govt involvement, then why don’t you stay the F away from womens bodies and peoples bedrooms. Perverts! 

I was going to donate money to them, but since they’ve now decided to give money to people who murder innocent unborn children they will never see a penny of mine. Death and murder are not charitable causes.

I have adopted two of them. We are considering another.

batshit

exactly right, a nascent human being. Keyword being nascent, ” in the process of” or ”
not yet fully developed. ” . meaning, not yet a human! Thanks, case closed, good bye and have a great day! :) 

“Your a lying scumbag, either your in Italy as you claim or your a scumbag conservative of incredible wealth and connections RIGHT HERE IN THE GOOD OL US OF A or you just continually make things up and nothing you say can be believed.”

What the hell are you talking about? That is your reply to me posting an article? 

I am in italy…what am I making up?

Liar.

As if you ever dod.

I am not against sex education or contraception. I think parents HAVE to be the primary source, and lead, and should have a say it what and when their children are taught about them. schools aren’t the answer, good parents are. Unfortunately, too many people want the schools to be the parents. 

wow 100%, and this is based on what?: your hack improptu survey of women at a clinic? GTFO? Source?

They’re certain they won something, though, so the victory dance goes on regardless. It’s a progressive spiritual requirement.

So it’s “moral” to condemn a pregnant cancer patient to death, since she should be denied treatment?  Is it “moral” to demand all women who risk dying giving birth to continue with it, and then have them die?  Millions don’t think so.

Is it a “moral” issue that the military and police be prohibited from carrying weapons, since someone could be accidentally shot, and killed?

As a conservative, have you often argued to ensure illegal immigrants are given sufficient prenatal care?

You ever go after anyone undergoing IVF? Ever demand it be made illegal, since embryos may be left over, and eliminated?

First, you were not married so she can do whatever she wants. Second, Get over it over or go into therapy. 16 years is BS!

You know women’s health better than Komen does! Yep, the foundation that’s pumped nearly 2 billion dollars into breast cancer research and treatment just wants to keep women down. Anyone who isn’t tithing to the Church of Planned Parenthood clearly hates women.

Read the stats son. you are pretty myopic. YOU are the type of people who politicize and divide this great nation. I will donate in your place.

 I truly am very sorry for your situation.  Consequences should be worked out between couples (easier said in hindsight,) but I don’t want to write more about your personal circumstances, because what happened is, I’m sure, so difficult for you.

Still,
the governement, and a few commenters here, need to stay out of private health decisions.

HAHAHAHA YOU WINGNUTS ARE A LOT WEAKER THAN YOU THINK YOU ARE. AMERIICA HATES YOU RIGHT-WING JERKS.

Being pro-choice does NOT require the suspension of reality.  Pro choice simply means that for a short, reasonable period of time during gestation, the rights of the mother out-weigh the rights of the baby to live. 
Simply no need to deny the reality to be pro-choice.   

No, it doesn’t mean not yet human. It means it’s a developing human being.  Check the DNA. It isn’t a part of Mom.

Planned Parenthood is not a for profit company. If someone told you that it is, they lied to you. Planned Parenthood employees do not get rich providing abortion services and abortion services are not a profit center for Planned Parenthood. If someone told you differently, that person lied to you.

 Nobody?  How about a bartender selling a pregnant woman an alcoholic drink, or anyone selling cigarettes, and even caffeinated drinks to a pregnant woman?  Women exposed to environmental toxins  (excessive exposure to lead, mercury, organic solvents) are at risk for a miscarriage, so polluting companies, and anyone who turns a blind eye to polluted sites can be found to have contributed to a woman miscarrying.

Please read
http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/miscarriage-000108.htm
for more information.

I had noticed that too, Thomas — but it seems if you simply “refresh” your browser and the web page that you’re on, the post switches back to being a reply in its proper spot. Or at least that’s what was happening to me…

Republicans hate women almost as much as they hate minorities, gay people, non-Christians, scientists, educators, young people, etc, etc.

Looney tunes!!!

No, I’m buying into the facts. 

‘There are not enough agencies that directly provide mammograms for low income women to replace the work done by Planned Parenthood” – Planned Parenthood doesn’t do mammograms, so not sure what work you think they can’t do without Komen funds. 

http://t.co/BLYKtygi

Komen wants to give the money directly to the places that perform mammograms. Why is that a problem?

Does a person named Pablo really want to get into a competition about who knows more about women’s health?

As for how much Koman has given to research, at least in recent years it’s about the same amount they’ve spent on administrative costs. I don’t think they want to “keep women down”, but I also don’t believe that right now curing breast cancer is their #1 priority. They care more about the anti-choice agenda of their upper management and board members, and about protecting the Koman brand through marketing and litigation.

nope. and nope. 
he is a liar. proven liar. and sexist pig.

Sara, if only it were so easy for parents.

There are lots of parents working their asses off trying to provide. They don’t have the time to be home and be Danny Tanner. Unless, of course, they give up work and do the whole welfare state thing that conservatives hate. 

Then you have the kids that are born into a disaster area….like Dad is gone and Mom is literally a crackhead. I’m guessing that kid doesn’t get the birds and the bees talk, either.

These are just low income examples. Even the wealthy kids with great parents do stupid things. Why? Because their parents don’t want to talk about sex with them. They shouldn’t be having it anyways, right?

So you’re riding the slippery slope.  So when does a fetus become a baby?  10 weeks, 26 weeks, what?  Who decides?  Also, the contraception issue is moot.  In 2012, one has access to all the methods of contraception and the failure rate of each method has greatly improved over the decades.  This is not 1950.  Abortion has become birth control, plain and simple.

he was not going to donate as he states “he was” meaning he never donated before and now he never will.

Pablo
They’re certain they won something, though, so the victory dance goes on regardless. It’s a progressive spiritual requirement.

haha They have no idea what they are even talking about… It’s bizarre!

At least you’re being intellectually honest. I appreciate that.  The reason I disagree is because I don’t think that anyone should be able to take the life of an innocent person. If we say that, what’s to stop us from saying that some other group of people shouldn’t have the right to life. Nothing should outweigh the right to live. It is the most basic and fundamental right we have.

“You must have gone to school under the Bush’s administrations (Non)-Sex Ed classes where only abstinence was taught. ”
Why do you have to lie?  

Have you ever been to an abortion clinic?  I have.  The majority of the women are not there for health reasons. ID  T.

Take your own (anti-hate) meds! 

(“[T]hey hate minorities” Then you go on to list a bunch of minorities, redundant.)

 Handel Brinker Day and about half a dozen others in at the top need to go . they are engaging in conservative ACTIVISM at what is supposed to be a non-partisan noy-for-profit charity

Korman will never again be pressured into acting from political pressure.  Korman latest action to reverse their decision was based solely on their realization of the serious loss in donations.  They also knew the lack of donations would not only hurt their mission, but also put their whole organization in peril. 

I don’t particularly care if PPP does about 3% of their work in abortions.  What bothers me is anyone thinking they can interfere in others decisions.  This is what has been seriously wrong with our country, the far right evangelicals believing they should interfere in others business.   Fortunately, they are losing their influence and will not have near the influence they have had in the past couple of years.  They tried to go to far and the people have said no, just like what happened here.  

And don’t pay your taxes either, since our military has “murdered innocent unborn children” by bombing to death pregnant women in other countries.

Don’t pay any taxes either, since the money could go to hospitals that provide IVF services (unwanted embryos are discarded.)

Women dying from breast cancer, because they weren’t screened at PP for early cancer detection is cool with you?

I seriously doubt that your donation along with others who will do the same, will make any difference to their bottom line.

The largest number of the aborted in the US are African-Americans; Margaret Sanger gets her wish…

Sanger, on blacks, immigrants and indigents:”…human weeds,’ ‘reckless breeders,’ ‘spawning… human beings who never should have been born.”  Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and the poor

On sterilization & racial purification:Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial “purification,” couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.
 
On the purpose of birth control:The purpose in promoting birth control was “to create a race of thoroughbreds,” she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)

On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities:”More children from the fit, less from the unfit — that is the chief aim of birth control.” Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12

Margaret Sanger, the “saint” of birth control and Planned Parenthood (But she and her views have been “cleaned-up” for today’s use.)

Oh, almost forgot this one,

“The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.” Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race (Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)

Question: Is this “killing” in the womb or out of it? Doesn’t “infant” imply that the child has already been born?

WTG Maggie?

 Margaret Sanger died in 1966.  Get over it. 
U.S. policy in the 1800′s was to kill Native Americans.  So you’d criticize the U.S. government today for what its policy was years ago?

Fine. How about the decision last year that ruled corporations are people and have the same rights as citizens? Recent enough? My pointing out the fallacy of your argument is not undermined by the era of the example I use. If the Supreme Court rules in another hundred years that life begins at conception would your point now be invalid?

What I was trying to say – that you still seem to not understand – is that a Supreme Court ruling should not persuade you to think something is right or wrong (as in correct or incorrect). They simply decide on the legality of an issue. That is their only dictate. Pure and simple.

Yes we get it your a pro-lifer who is happy they have delayed the class war on poor women but not abandoned it.

GET CONSERVATIVE ACTIVISM OUT OF NON-PARTISAN NOT-FOR-PROFIT CHARITIES

“Baby killers?”  You talking about our military?  Anyone who’s ever given a pregnant woman alcohol, tobacco, or caffeine, and the woman then miscarried? Polluting companies, from which toxins poisoned pregnant women, who then miscarried?

Why should low income women have to go to one place for their primary reproductive health care and then search out on their own a separate provider for mammography? Women with insurance do not have to do this. They get mammogram referrals from their primary care doctor. Why does it need to be different for low income women?

Setting that aside, many independent mammography providers, even those advertising free or low cost services, will not take appointments without a referral from a primary care doctor. Planned Parenthood is the primary care provider for most of their clients. The fact that so many women rely on Planned Parenthood is the point of this discussion.

Koman’s new policy isn’t going to help women get better care, and will virtually certainly result in many women not getting mammograms at all .

That’s why it’s a problem.

Private organizations should not be allowed to spend their money as they see fit.

The only person truly affected by the pregnancy is the woman and the fetus. Her decision-making should not be impeded by men.

Or, apparently, fetuses.

actually they do just not at every Planned Parenthood center, and they do have providers of mammograms to whom they refer women when they need to.

SO YES THEY DO PROVIDE IT IN HOUSE AT SOME CENTERS AND PAY FOR IT AT AN ALTERNATIVE PROVIDERS PLACE WHEN THRY DO NOT DO IT THEMSELVES, PP also sets up trucks as mobile mammography centers to get them to areas not served by a local center or partner provider. You see those trucks covered in supporter labels and logos but it is PP doing it and KOMENS logo is there getting credit for the support they provide.

 http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0101.pdf

You are wrong about the numbers of abortions by race.
Margaret Sanger died in 1966. Get over it.

Wow. How many red herrings can you throw out there in one posting? Everything you just wrote has no relevance to what I posted earlier. I was simply trying to point out why a man might take an interest in the abortion issue. You obviously have your panties all twisted up in a tight, tight wad. Go have your abortion argument with someone else. I’m not interested.

It seems the “liberals” got their way and I doubt they will ever act on political pressure again.  That is if it was from just liberals, which it wasn’t.  You can count on the same type of reaction if they ever do it again, which I seriously doubt they will.  Remember it’s through women’s walks where they get most of their donations, the same people who spoke out on this decision.

Contraception fails from time to time, even painful tubal ligations (sterilization) women have undergone.

Silly that you even brought this up, but if you’re going to throw this out there, Google “regret having children” – many women who have given birth “later regret the decision.”

Yes republicans hate women – we saw their hate when Palin entered the scene.  And, then Herman got the special treatment.  Such an ugly sight.  

Your post indicates your hate and shallowness have reached the depths.  Please, reconsider your nonsensical “hate” filled post and start focusing on issues instead of your blind bias.  That accomplishes nothing – for you or anyone else you think you’re representing with your comment.  

And over half a dozen partisans engaged in conservative activism from within the organization like DAY a serving member of the RNC who is also on KOMENS board plus several others in the senior management and executive positions brought on board by Handel and Brinker who seem to have applied a conservative litmus test to new hires and in the selection of new board members.

Now both organizations lose.  I, for one, will no longer donate to either.

I would venture to guess that in a year or so, the Koman Foundation will have found out exactly how people felt when they found out that Koman gives grants to PP.
I myself did not know – and I’m far from alone.  

Get off your soap box sweet heart.  PP does so very little screening that it’s a joke. They are well funded and you’re welcome to help them out.

Koman should never had been involved with PP and I’m sure they privately see their error now.  Once given to this blackmailing outfit – you have to keep giving or they will slime you.  Such a fine bunch of characters.  

Do you even know what a “fascist agenda” is?  

OK, I’ve painstakingly read through all of these comments and I have not seen one person point out the fact that not one dollar that is donated to Planned Parenthood (whether it’s government funds or private funds like Komen) goes toward abortions.

Women who have abortions at PP are responsible for paying 100% of the cost of said abortion. Some private health plans cover abortion costs but most do not.

Abortion is a LEGAL medical procedure in the United States of America.

Planned Parenthood provides essential health services to women and one of those many services is LEGAL abortion of an unwanted pregnancy or an abortion that is medically necessary.

So, since abortion is legal and Komen funds that go to PP don’t actually fund abortions, can we consider this particular argument over? Probably not, I’m guessing…

Like some others have said on here. If you are anti-choice then don’t have an abortion. It’s just like if you don’t want to be exposed to any truth then switch your TV over from virtually any other news channel to Fox. Bam! No more pesky truth or facts to worry about.

 List of things not to do while pregnant, or risk miscarriage – strenuous exercise, driving without wearing a seat belt, etc.  A woman doesn’t follow every piece of advice, and miscarries, then she’s a criminal?

People on death row have been exonerated, because they did not commit the crime they were convicted of.  And yes, some “innocent” people have been put to death, because they had ineffective legal counsel, or lying witnesses testified against them.

What are you talking about regarding life support?  Often a person who is on life support is completely incapable of making any decisions for themselves.

A fetus becomes a bay when it can survive outside the womb  (even with medical support-premies you know) for someone who is choosing to have a baby voluntarily YOU CAN CHOOSE TO HAVE IT OR NOT.

I’m glad you support them – that’s your choice.  I’m glad I won’t be supporting them any longer – my choice.  

Your comment about the “type of people” – the blackmailing of Komen came from democrats – your type of people.

Very few people knew that Koman gave grants to PP.  Now that they know, they are allowed to choose whether they want to continue their support or not.  

It’s very nice to live in a Country were we have a choice.  I’m not demonizing you – please extend the same courtesy to me.  

You really need to get some non-conservative understanding of definitions and not torture them to fit your needs.

You’re making up excuses.  Do you even comprehend what you write?  Do not explain away deaths at the hands of our military (particularly accidental deaths, or “civilian casualties,”) and then pretend there’s no absurd hypocrisy.

You don’t seem to grasp the issue.  I don’t know who’s pissed off over women having fundamental rights about their bodies.  Every woman has the right over their own body.
I realize you thought you were on to something – but it has nothing to do with this story.  Sorry for your confusion…

Koman is raising fund for finding a cure for breast cancer – should have absolutely nothing to do with abortions.  Nothing.  You seem to miss the entire issue.

If I want to donate to pp – I’m surely free to do so since I know who they are and what their agenda is.

You were not able to support this child, if you were irresponsible enough to not prevent this pregnancy, then you lost your right to the results.  Teenage marriages are not very successful, you were not married, she had a right to protect herself and she did what was best for her.  She was pregnant, you weren’t.

So what you’re saying is that the people at SKG were so incompetent, and never did any research into where their money went for years?  Shut it down, or investigate it, because it is lying to the public about giving money to organizations that screen for breast cancer?

This is what happens when you don’t think things through … you’ve ended up making the point that the people at SKG are inept.

Percentage-wise, blacks are aborted most often than whites. 

Sanger is still the “saint” of PP.  What does her date of death have to do with it?
(George Bush is no longer president, but many have a hard time “getting over it.”)

“Get over it,” if you’re aborted, it’s hard to “get over it.”

Seventeen year old children without any way to support a child should not be creating these “innocent people” in the first place.  Stop feeling sorry for yourself and face up to your responsibility for the outcome.

 Why does someone working at a non-partisan not-ffor-profit charity have to have a $700,000 a year income taken from donations most people expect to go to the work of the charity and not to its Board members or senior executive staff, those pay scales rival the private for profit pay scales of corporations with powerless to stop it stock holders, cut Komen income and cut the pay at the top and find Board members who will serve without compensation at these levels the money should meet the mission and NOT line pockets.

Now it’s becoming clear, you are unable to have children now and you resent this child’s decision to not have your baby at 16.  It wasn’t all about you, I have to say!!

Everyones knows it’s legal, but some from the far right evangelicals think they should be allowed to control the bodies of other women, and will try to find any way they can to get around Roe vs. Wade.  It’s unfortunate, but there are some who think that way.

What do you think one would learn by “actually meeting some of the women who go through it”?

Your comment is so ambiguous that one really has no idea what you’re attempting to say.

I love to say this “the cat is out of the bag.”  SGK has been exposed for the right-wing fraud it is and we know that our fight is with the GOP in congress! Read: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-b-keegan/komen-planned-parenthood_b_1252833.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+HP%2FPolitics+(Politics+on+The+Huffington+Post)

Stand for Progress.  Stand with Progressives!

End the lack of health care for the poor and support a ‘universal health financing not for profit system’ (at the insurance level not the provider level)) and the oh so hated PP goes away because no one will lack for access to care.

But you rethugs will not do that will you?

Do you have any idea how much $$ they are talking about and how many breast cancer screenings PP did last year?  Figure out what the cost per patient works out to.  So, either PP is falsifying their figures or there is a real problem and they are using money that the Koman Foundation granted in good faith for other purposes.  Don’t you think that donors to the Foundation are entitled to demand that their money goes to what they thought they were donating for?  Does that make the donors evil – hate women, want them to go to back alleys?  No – it makes them responsible donors who want their money to go for the purpose they donated it for.  Nothing more, nothing less.  

Planned Parenthood has been faulted for not advertising or offering breast cancer screening in many of their offices.  That is not their prime purpose.  You know this, and I know this so your argument is?

Yes we do you and we know conservative activism also and we see how the wholly owned by corporations republican party finances itself.

And you very clearly express the AGENDA like qualities you deny espousing.

Since you know, would you mind sharing your knowledge with me, because I don’t seem to make the connection. 

Help me out here…

They haven’t reversed a damn think. This is a P.R. stunt, designed to turn the volume down. There is no way that the KF is restoring what was in place. Read carefully what they’ve written & reflect on the weasel words they’re using. 

Crap – they were ready for it, & they’re doing now what they were always going to do in the first place.

THERE you are. Twice a day the stopped clock catches up to real time. This is bang on. The KF has refined their bull shit excuse & are just using the publicity about that refinement to deceive the willing media.

As if YOU ever contributed to the Komen Foundation.

How do you think that wrapping your health care for the poor and the Koman Breast Cancer Foundation into 1 is helping your case?  

Koman is not an insurance company – it’s a charity.  You are allowed to choose whether you donate or not.  You’re confusion has led to my confusion.  I don’t understand how you connected the two to further your hate of “rethugs”.  

Oh please – not this old chestnut again. Let’s just assume the 4,569,874 previous debunkings of this crap gets inserted here, mokay? 

I think exactly the opposite of the case you’re attempting to make angel.  I think PP is incompetent, dishonest and misused funds and Koman got sick of it.  I would bet they got a warning to clean up their act or their funds would be cut and PP decided to go the blackmail route.  That’s exactly what I think.  

This is what happens when you can’t see the difference between the two organizations….

TRUTH IN ADVERTISING…We want to apologize to the American public for recent decisions that cast doubt upon our commitment to our mission to help Planned Parenthood kill innocent babies…

 So … is your point also then to not provide African Americans with birth control, lest the percentage of prevented pregnancies be higher in one group of the population?

Margaret Sanger died over forty years ago.  Her personal opinions are not relevant to an organization in operation today. 

We are still living with the consequences of some of the unwise actions President Bush took.  Can’t “get over it” if we’re still paying for it.

Written by a man who will never get pregnant, who has now tainted any woman who has miscarried with the suspicion of committing a crime, and who prefers that women die from being unable to get screenings to detect their cancers early enough to get treatment.

 Exactly Angel – aborting a fetus is wrong, but launching a tomahawk missile into a building full of innocent civilians, men women and children, is just the price we pay to what?  People like Zac don’t want to admit they bought and paid for bombs to be dropped on innocent people from Nagasaki to Bosnia.

Really, we should start going by what people “think,” and not by “facts” to decide whether an organization should be allowed to operate?

What blackmail route? Leaders at SGK resigned to protest the actions the org. took.  Who blackmailed them?

 If you can find dead babies at a clinic you should report it to the police.  Killing babies is illegal…LOL dummy.

 ”It’s very nice to live in a Country were we have a choice”

Exactly, just as women have the choice to continue with a pregnancy or end it free from your meddling in their private health decisions.

am I meddling by my support/non support of the Koman Foundation?

p.s. angel – the left wing media and people like yourself blackmailed them.

Pro Life groups got involved and they shouldn’t have – nothing to do with Pro Life.  

Obviously you have no idea of what the truth is and you advertising it.

Have you ever donated to either one? You are a fine example if feigned outrage.

Good Point!

You need to back in your box and quit making a joke of yourself.

If you wish to tell people what you think frist you have to be able to do it.

Do your own homework and quit asking someone else to do it for you. Sounds like you want a handout.

How can you no longer donate to something that you never donated to i the first place? How can a few million people be a few? Ever seen a pick ribbon?

Time to quit while you are so far behind.

The power of the people rise up again.  This why the Republicans want to destroy the middle class and the poor.  How dare the peasants complain, they should be happy that they are able to use the emergency room.   

Did anyone ever tell you that when you’re in a hole it’s time to stop digging?

” lunatic-left d-cRAT socialist extremism” Do you actually believe that anyone who come up with that will be taken seriously?

When it breathes it’s a baby, prior to that it is a fetus. Liberal Media? Marist pressure? Recess is over little one.

Ich bin ein Republican.  Ya.

But it is the issue,abortion,isn’t it?
Women rights?
Is that not the issue,Seek?
Or are you gonna try to BS me that it is not?That Komen pulling out and then backpedaling had nothing to do with abortion?…Really,Seek?
I’m not into BS,Seek…just so you know.

Good talk.

PR MOVE – not an actual “restoration” of funding as implied.

http://studentactivism.net/2012/02/03/komen-statement-on-planned-parenthood-is-a-pr-move-not-a-policy-reversal/

SGK – suck it.  Hard.  You want to politicize women’s health issues.  Rock on. 

Don’t be fooled, peeps, as this is just smoke and mirrors.

So, is your view that abortion is a form of “birth control”?  Should we abort in all groups in equal percents?  Shouldn’t we “force” more African-Americans to abort more since currently 71% of African-American babies are born out of wedlock.  Is this situation not a major cause of poverty, and does this poverty not negatively impact on our economy…and on the kids? [Do it for the kids!]  Would aborting 71% of all possible black births help keep these kids out of a life of poverty?  (Sure, if they’re never born.)

Does the number of years from death determine the impact a person and their views have on society?

Stalin, Marx, and Hitler, et al., died over 65 or more years ago; are their views still relevant to Communism, Fascism, etc? 

The views and tenets of a “system” and its founder, i.e., in Sanger’s case, eugenics and intentional birth control are still relevant today. 

Are the personal opinions and beliefs of Jefferson, Lock, Hobbs, Jesus, Mohammed, Madison, etc. no longer relevant because these people died years ago?  The documents of freedom, economic policy, religion, etc., are from people who died a long time ago, so we should just “get over it [their views, opinions, etc].”

Your ability to cherry pick the “good” from Sanger is typical.  After all, Hitler built the autobahn and the Volkswagen, so let’s all just forget about the rest of his deeds, opinions, and views.

As with the actions of President Bush, are we still living with “some of the unwise actions” and “consequences” (which you consider “good” and others consider “bad”) of Sanger?

I’ve owned a VW, and I’ve driven on the German Autobahn.  Forget the war, the Holocaust, the camps, the deportations, etc. 

And, hey that Italian guy, he really made the trains run on time!

And, as for Sanger, it’s one of the [her] aims of abortion in the past and in the present; it’s “more children from the fit, less from the unfit,” only too many today don’t want to admit it.  They hide behind “a woman’s right to choose.”

Just so you know Ben – the media and PP muddied the water.
Koman said – done with grants for PP because they did not provide the service Koman was giving them money for – they sent people elsewhere.  Also, PP “records” are highly suspect even by the the government at this moment.  
Koman has nothing to do with abortion – everything to do with breast cancer research and screening.  
When PP heard that their $750,000 a year funding from Koman was coming to an end, they decided to blackmail Koman by crying foul!  The truth is – PP should never have been receiving money from Koman.  Then PP proved why they should never have been receiving money from Koman.  Then PP proved how in the tank the media is for the left.  Then we have brilliant Nancy with her ridiculous statement.  PP lied and the media didn’t care – they just thought they’d present this poor women’s group that was being treated unfairly.  Where the hell is the honesty on this f##$% issue?  Just complete bullshit from the left.  Complete!

You’re right, I’ve never seen a “pick ribbon”.  Not only did I donate major to this organization, involved in many fundraising efforts for them.  Done.  

Gee Eddie – you seem to be having fun butting into conversations.  Obviously you feel thomas is too weak to fend for himself, since his statement was beyond stupid.  

Thomas – I understand. You realized your error and there is no damn eraser! What to do – turn on the person who pointed out that you didn’t know your ass from grass and I was the lawn mower. Live with it.

 Read slowly and carefully …

Women have the right to choose to have an abortion or not.  For some odd reason, the fact that African American women have them is an obsession with anti-choicers. Medical procedures are available to women who need them, all across the country, for women from all income levels, races, religions, and whatever other classification you want to focus in on.

And go ahead, spend the rest of your life protesting Ford Motors, because founder Henry Ford was a racist.  Dedicate  your time to finding out what the beliefs were of any founder of any organization from decades ago, and if you find anything distasteful, work towards eliminating that organization.

You’re so bored with your life you’ve taken up trolling?  How’s the pay?  Minimum reward for minimum requirements? lol

Bye Eddy – you have too many missing parts to be dealt with.  

 a charity that’s mission is to find a cure for breast cancer who diverts resources to help screen for and treat cancer, PP has a mission to provide help in many forms to meet poor womens health care needs OF ALL KINDS all medical in nature.

A not-for profit universal health care financing system makes PP go away as poor women will have the access to care that PP provides and KOMEN gets to put all the resources to finding a cure and not take money away from the search for a cure to fund health care needs that will be funded under a universal health care financing model.

I know you get it and that you just do not want to get it because you oppose it as a partisan conservative activist motivated by the hate you express at every possible occasion and rarely if ever resist.

You can support partisan hate and support corporate greed or you can support a solution to a problem of universal human need-health care.

B.S.

Good times..

Not one word of what I said is b.s. ben – because you don’t want to know the truth does not make the truth false.  

You’re familiar with holes kitty.  Time to cover up your mess and go elsewhere.

In fact, I have..to both from time to time, but no longer will….to either. There are other cancer research organizations out there to which I have and will continue to donate, and PP’s tactics here disgusted me.

you have the choice to cure your ignorance with knowledge and you choose not to, if being ignorant is your choice then nothing will change that or your just stoooooopid and there is no cure for bone deep thru and thru stupid.

I think (and you aptly demonstrate) that betting money would go on the latter and not the former as your problem 

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Thomas you’re mixing your apples with oranges.  

Koman’s problem with PP and the reason they cited for pulling their grant was that not only did PP not provide breast cancer screening, in most of their offices they didn’t have either the machines nor the expertise to do so.  If you think about it – don’t know how many woman PP would have turned away, who showed up at their door.  

Woman who go for regular screening, would know exactly where to go.  Women who have a concern because of some symptom that they feel makes them want a breast cancer screen, might even be compromising their health by showing up at a PP site that a.  doesn’t provide the service they seek
b.  can’t tell them where to go to get the service they seek.

So, in some cases – a delay could spell disaster for some women.  

Leave the rest of your talking points on universal health care on the cutting room floor.  That’s not the discussion nor do you have that argument right.  

what?? you threw some change in a collection jar and then you bought some pink labeled Campbell’s soup. great and thanks for that every little bit helps

With all due respect,Seek,I don’t avoid the truth,and I read and informed myself on this before calling what you said for what it is..B.S.

So,either you really believe that Komen pulling out had nothing to do with their new VP Karen Handel,that it’s not political,which makes you very naive,or,you’re telling me

B.
S.

Either way,you’re wrong.

How cute, right up ther with rest of your juvenile and tripe.

Anyone taking bets on Dayanden’s previous “donations” to Komen? What’s the spread?
Hair’s on fire liar! You’re maliciously murdering the truth…

You can never trust a breast exam, right? It is woefully uninformed people that keep FOX in business. You only hear the part that pleases you perverse, disgusting  ideology.

An embryo in development is not a “baby”, nor a “distinct human being”. “Society” did not “say” blacks and Jews “were not human”, bourgeois law determined varying degrees of “citizenship” determined by capitalist property rights, chattel slavery, commodities in your venerated “marketplace”..i.e. Dred Scott decision etc. Necessary for pre-industrial capitalism to build this entire nation. If a fertilized egg is developing,cellular growth, a woman is pregnant. Stop with this retrograde, dangerous, anti-scientific nonsense.

Jane Roe’s “position today” is of no value. Roe v. Wade supercedes “opinion”.

A “viable”fetus is not a “baby”.

Your pathetic comments display your dead thinking.

Stop with the “pro-life” condom please.

Not “the baby”.

Tell George Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld et al about “taking the life of innocent persons”. Fetuses are not “persons”.

@cnick. So you know, we have a total of 5 kids. Three that we actually made. As for the other child that I lost, it was my child too. We both knew that pregnancy was a possible outcome and we took that chance. I was willing to accept responsibility and she chose not to. Please don’t make this a personal attack on me. It’s not about me. The only reason I brought my personal life into the discussion is because someone else was saying that I didn’t know what it was like. It’s not about me. It’s about the kids being killed. 

I was trying to take responsibility! How is it that wanting to have an unexpected child is somehow dodging responsibility? That makes no sense. I agree that 17 year old kids should not be making babies. I was young and foolish. But I tried to take responsibility. I don’t feel sorry for myself at all. You have resorted to making personal attacks on me because the argument is weak. 

This fertilized egg does indeed have separate and distinct DNA. It’s not the same as any other cells in the woman’s body. It has been fertilized. There is nothing anti-scientific about a pro-life position. 
Laws are a reflection of societal values. Why would there be varying degrees of citizenship if all these people were considered equal in dignity? Why should property rights determine the relative value of people? They were considered property. Not quite human. Less than human. Dred Scott was determined by the Supreme Court to be the property of Dr. Emerson (or Samford) They determined the whole 3/5 rule for non-whites. Still considered less than fully human. Hitler said the same about Jews and society was not bold enough to counter the position. Now you seem to similarly be saying the same thing about a different group of people, the unborn. 

 And 95-99.4% of the DNA of a Chimp is the same as a human. About 85% of the DNA of a mouse matches the DNA of a human. About 70% of the DNA of a fruit fly matches that of a human.

SGK’s apology means about as much as Anthony Weiner’s.

They’ve lost all credibility, and will next lose most of their donations…  watch them flounder and go bankrupt as the radical-right-wing-nut-jobs lose interest in them and go looking for somewhere else to apply their divide and conquer fascist tactics.

Religious-radical right-wing nut-jobs are leading this country down the path to fascism; their ilk makes me wish there had been a few *more* abortions performed.

Most people would agree that “life” is more than a genetic code. Something spiritual or supernatural is associated with life, and no one knows if this is created at conception.

Historically, the idea that abortion is immoral is relatively new. The idea of legislating reproduction is relatively new; and generally, legislating reproduction is repugnant to most people.

People believe what they want to believe, so I figure if a woman is not ready to be a mother, then God would allow her to wait until she’s ready. He would give an unborn soul to another woman who is ready to be a mother. Abortion cannot kill a soul.

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Sara, if only it were so easy for parents.

Excuses. That’s what’s wrong with the country. No one wants to be accountable for their actions. 

Still no reply? Yea…didn’t think so.

 Where did you get this figure from?