Now for something considerably more reasoned: To survive the looming catastrophe, we need to face the truth

Nazis and terrorists and hostage takers, oh my!

I’d settle for someone who can do math.

This is exactly what Senator Kerry was talking about yesterday when he said the to give these FOOLS equal time on the airwaves is ridiculous.  These Fools need to be called out every time one of thier leaders make these kind of comments, IGNORANT F**K!!!!!

Fact: To bad we can’t recall Obama now. Why wait until 2012! Wisconsin, an election if you want a failed tax and spend state of mind and expect the rest of America to bail out another blue state from their own epic failures then you should be foolish and vote in more progresive cult members of the SEIU.

Too bad it isnt a billion and one.

Fact: The same John Kerry that hurt himself then
wrote his own merit for receiving a purple heart. That John Kerry buffoon.

WOW!

I am sure that tea bagged moron believes LBRULS eat babies too.

Why would jeeebuz establish something called “communion”

Fact: Thanks for the childrens point of view!

Fact: What where is the that whitey Bush did it! Stuff!

No, they don’t eat them, silly! They kill them in the womb.

OUCH!

I think you made your point on various levels or contexts!

Purveyor

The GOTP is sounding shrill and desperate.   Tuesday will be quite painful for them.  In January the work starts to get Walker out.  Will the GOTP ever learn not to be so greedy?

I was afraid of that.  

I wasn’t sure about your political persuasion, or, intellect when I wrote that Post to you yesterday.Thanks for clearing that up.

Purveyor

Have you gNOpiggies heard of that little thing called FDA approved food and medication?

I am SURE you morons have all your labs all set up to make sure both food and medication are good for you.

The American people will never take the GOTP seriously about wanting to tackle the debt as long as they refuse to consider revenue increases and continue to hold allegiance to Grover Norquist above the USA.

The American people will never take the GOTP seriously about wanting to tackle the debt as long as they refuse to consider revenue increases and continue to hold allegiance to Grover Norquist above the USA.

someday soon the left socialists will come down to your bagger world, take your children into fema camps to re-educate them into being humans, not some sociopath jesus licking kochroach bros turdballs. it starts tuesday in wi.  socialism is coming to you baggers, and they have just as many guns as you obese baggers…

the only thing that will be recalled are the baggers and the GOP.  like the impotent fat slugs you are, you shot your load too soon, again.  the chicagostyle leftwing socialists are coming for you jesus licking baggers.

Speak English you moron!

I am shamed by your superior rhetoric.

I’ve decided to be a born again gNOpig.

Will that make you happy? Please?

Progressives themselves have conflated the term liberal into a hybrib, pagan earth-worshipping, big government, statisist political philosophy. It is most certainly not classic liberalism in the libertarian sense of the word.. It is most like a ’Totalitarian’ political philosophy. The progressive dodge of playing semantic games has come full circle. In those terms Moa Zedong, Stalin, Hitler etc… have killed 100′s of millions. Pick a name progressives and stick with it. His estimate is high.

HMMMMMM, I REMEMBER SOME OUTRAGE THIS PAST WEEK OVER CALLING MEMBERS OF AN OPPOSING SIDE “TERRORISTS”…HMMMMMMM, IF I COULD ONLY REMEMBER WHERE THAT (FAKE) OUTRAGE WAS COMING FROM…

Spoken like a true Nazi. Yes, this Phillips dude is right, and when the shooting starts, I will be more than happy to put people like you down right away.

If I didn’t know better I would think Phillips was a liberal plant.  This crazy talk is certainly going to help the Democrats.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

BAGGERS may be able to shoot:’BUT CAN THEY RUN?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Everybody’s got a big gun on the Internets.

Yes!

We LBRULS are going to let you gNOpigs define us!

Just like you idiots have called President Obama a Marxist communist Kenyian born half martian unwilling to release his birth certificate.

Because there is something wrong with him…

I know you’re not that bright, but labeling regular Americans “terrorists”, and pointing out fact are two different things. Hmmmm, if you only had a brain….

Yessus, we do’s.

I grew up in Wisconsin.  My Mom was a teacher and a member of the attendant unions.  Even then and more so now, she and I understand the principle that is at stake.

Wisconsin is full of very good and willingly helpful people.  The paper industry in Fox River Valley has Unions which elevated employees out of the doldrums of the lower class and into middle class status.  They could own homes, go to Packer games, boating on weekends and send their kids to college.  BUT, those were/are private industries and Unions.

The Public employee, such as my Mom, deserved all those referred to trappings, because of hard work and success.  However, A Government cannot serve both the citizens and a Public Union without a grotesque violation of ethics.  An elected Government cannot serve two masters with the income generated by only one.

Yes, the Public employees are both citizens and taxpayers too.  But, their portion of taxes paid, does not go to the negotiated payroll of a private corporation.  That would be UNETHICAL!

The good people of Wisconsin and our Nation may want this very badly, however, this is the wrong pathway to that ends.  The State must offer a proper and fair wage to the State employees.  If such is unacceptable then those State employees and their neighbors (fellow citizens) must elect a legislature that will.

But, a Union, negotiating over tax payer dollars is the essence of unethical and even corruption.

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

Wouldn’t it be nice if the world’s problems were as blissfully simple as a “Peace symbol?”

Purveyor

Pretty
Damn sure we’re making the same
Point and are on the same team, dude.

I remember when General Schwarzkopf used the term “Bovine scatology” at a press conference… LOL Very funny!

”How anybody can endorse and embrace an ideology that has killed a billion people in the last century is beyond me.”

Using this kind of language, how does he, or anyone expect to be taken seriously over the long-term. I’m actually pleased he speaking as he is, because the rational expression political debate from all sides will have to find its voice in 2012.

Christ, it’s amazing how stupid you liberal asswipes are.

Still whining about my avatar?  Suck it up!  But have a nice day while you’re doing it. :)

You’re kind of soft in the head, huh, kid. Look, I think there’s an episode of sponge bob on, your time would be better spent there.

*Please ignore the 1,000,000 + killed by George Bush in 8 years.
**Please ignore the 8,000,000+ injured by George Bush as well.

Fact: thanks for inserting “Fact” before comments so you come off ass an imbecile. Makes it easier for new visitors to identify the jackasses.

At least we know this much.Fox News has no interest in this story.Fair and balanced

Wow, I never realized that Wisconsin has good people living within. And here I was thinking that every single person in Wisconsin sucked ass, hey, thanks for that lengthy and completely boring drivel about your mom, I’m sure that pretty much everyone wants to do her now. What it has to do with public employee unions, I’m not sure, but I’m sure you’re proud.

And did you ever wonder why poor people worship union people who have jobs?

where do you get these #’s from – you sound about as ridiculous as this fool does. 

so what do you call him?

Sad to say, Mr. Judson Phillips is absolutely correct.

Obama has killed 40,000,000 women and children
Obama has disabled 85,000,000 poor people in Africa.

You were lamenting earlier about how seriously people are taking the tea party.  Now you’re saying “the american people” will never take them seriously.  Which is it?

I didn’t realize Grover’s last name before.  Just thought he was that loveable blue guy.  

Oh, but they’ll do it right, this time.

Liberalism has always sucked, but the ruling elitists always seem to find enough dumb people that they can make jealous enough to vote them in.

While I am sure your mom is a very nice lady public employees are not taxpayers. They are tax takers.  Their whole career is financed with tax money and that does not change simply because they return a small portion of it.
Using your logic then a family on welfare are taxpayers too because the unmarried woman with three kids payed sales tax on a pack of cigarettes and beer.
The people of Wisconsin will be paying out to your mother for the rest of her life.
They will pay her more money in retirement than they ever did while she was working.

While I am sure your mom is a very nice lady public employees are not taxpayers. They are tax takers.  Their whole career is financed with tax money and that does not change simply because they return a small portion of it.
Using your logic then a family on welfare are taxpayers too because the unmarried woman with three kids payed sales tax on a pack of cigarettes and beer.
The people of Wisconsin will be paying out to your mother for the rest of her life.
They will pay her more money in retirement than they ever did while she was working.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/14/3839

Those are 2007 numbers so it must be higher now.

USA President Barack Hussein Obama.

You have a problem with that?

Disagreeing is one thing, saying dumbfuck, shit-brained, woefully ignorant things like this to demonize those you disagree with is just straight EVIL.

Why do conservatives continue to embrace and defend the far right kooks?…It makes conservatism look bad.

clean up your act.

why do poor people worship…..?  They saw the pics of the guys drinking and doing dope and getting paid for it?

You’re the one who wrote:

Because there is something wrong with him…

thus my question.

I have no problem with you, you udderly irresistible doofus. 

“clean up your act.”

Says the guy with she-male photos in a public access directory.

You do know that teacher’s are members of public employee unions? In fact, one of the largest public employee’s unions. I pointed that out in the second sentence of my Post. How could you have missed such? Anyway, rather than discuss the issue you alluded to the possibility of my mother having sex with you and other clients of mediaite? An erudite and decisive argument, indeed.

You know, I just might forward this exchange to FOX or Limbaugh. You and your post would be a caricature if the stakes for our Nation weren’t so high. Who knows, maybe you and I will, someday, face each other across a battlefield, as did our forebears, 150 years ago? Brother against brother. How tragic.

Purveyor

Geez…

Subtlety  and sarcasm are lost on the morons!

The

“there is something wrong with his birth certificate” is a reference to the birfhers.

they were the ones screaming their head off

“there is something wrong with his birth certificate”

Did I mention they were tea baggeds too?

Yeah, why do they have to tell the truth all the time? Conservatives suck, I just want to keep our two cars in the garage, and twitter on my smart phone or my iPod that’s connected to my high speed internet about how rich people suck. Then I’ll watch two and a half men on my HD TV so I can keep my mind off of those rich assholes that are keeping me down.

a poll?

happens on the left and right

Homes, seriously. You’re the type of idiot that regular people look at, shake their head, and think, “yep, this is how we got here”.

Who are you talking too?  What are you talking about?

“Public employees are not taxpayers?”  Of course they are!  That is a part of the convoluted problem I mentioned.  A government cannot serve two masters:  Tax payers and coincidentally, the Union which is paid with Tax dollars.  Such is inherently unethical

Even FDR wrote about this.  So did former AFL-CIO Boss George Meany.  The result is skewed wages in favor of Public unions.

Purveyor

This is the most disjointed conversation.  I think, MEGA PROGRESSIVE is actually inebriated, seriously.  Furthermore, the same people that support one side, disagree with it the next.

Also, how and what does this killing statistics have to do with this?

It’s only a five minute drive between here and where I work. I pass an elementary school on the way. During the school year, there’s no cars in the lot when I go to work, and there’s no cars in the lot when I come home. And every couple of years, they bitch. Nuff said.

Hey, it’s the tea party. They just stick to the script – rational thought not required.

That would be utterly …. but he’s the doofus.  lol 

i never said conservatives were bad.. i said the kooks make conservatism look bad… same as the far left kooks make liberalism look bad.. hell i even think msnbc makes us look bad a lot of times.. unlike you I don’t defend crazy .. Its all fun to poke fun at each other on the “internets” and stuff..but this guys considered one of the leaders of a small but what we’ve found out powerful block of you’re party… and he’s batshit.. keep defending crazy bagger.. we’ll see what happens on tuesday in wisconsin and then next november.

I was?  Lamenting?  Was I udderly lamenting?

Calling out the fact they are using the word fact and then calling them a jackass for a dumb little word really points the finger at you for being the jackass. Just admit you have no legitimate argument and move on.

Okay, let’s do it this way. You show me how GWB killed more than a million people, and I’ll show you that you’re simply a tool. You first.

Show me where Phillips is wrong.

Liberal polices (including communism) have been the cause of hundreds of millions of deaths.  Maybe his number was a little high, but other than that, he’s right.  Deal with it.

Hey, it’s a liberal. Added zilch-point-nothing to the discussion, can’t think on his own, and his mom is calling him to breakfast.

I was speaking to you.
Calling public employees tax payers is like  when a car dealer inflates the price of a car only to knock a thousand off and call it a discount.
When it comes to public employees and tax payers the money only flows in one direction.  Public employees are paid for by people who are NOT public employees and only by those people.
If you doubt that that take away the tax dollars and see how long teachers can pay themselves with their own tax contributions.

I was speaking to you.
Calling public employees tax payers is like  when a car dealer inflates the price of a car only to knock a thousand off and call it a discount.
When it comes to public employees and tax payers the money only flows in one direction.  Public employees are paid for by people who are NOT public employees and only by those people.
If you doubt that that take away the tax dollars and see how long teachers can pay themselves with their own tax contributions.

You need to sort out who it is you’re talking to. Yer doing it wrong.

So, how about those TeaBagger terrorists and their hostage taking with guns to the head to destroy the country?

Beam, eye, some disassembly required.

So, how about those TeaBagger terrorists and their hostage taking with guns to the head to destroy the country?

Beam, eye, some disassembly required.

My father was a public school teacher. Every day, he’d get out of school and go to his other job, until he started a business, then he went and did that.

By the time he retired, he was about ready to burn the place down. That was 30 years ago, and even then the writing was on the wall.

Two articles: 

The first one appeared in the WALL STREET JOURNAL, on Feb.25th, by Kimberly Strassel.  The title: “Union Power for thee, but not for me.”  (Google)

Number two by James Sherk of the NEW YORK TIMES, on Feb.19th  (Google)

Both articles are about what I mentioned in my Post:  That PUBLIC UNIONS cannot, ethically co-exist within Government and side by side with private unions.  Is inherently unethical.

Even if you don’t like me, (and I don’t much like you) read them.  You will be surprised at the veracity and factual, historical argument.

In other words, you will learn something new!  GO ON, I DARE YOU!

Purveyor

so George Bush is responsible for all the suicide bomber blowing people up, is that what you are saying?

Is calling people Nazis who you disagree with politically normal behavior where you’re from? and also is equating a tuesday recall vote to 9/11 a  rational comparison to make as well?l.. you think that’s right?

You talking foul about someone’s Mother sort of degrades whatever else you say.

I’m a she – I’m not into cutsy pics on a public access directory. Would you prefer a flower?

Fact: where are all the replies decrying the tea partier for calling dems Terrorists?  I thought it was such a crime when there were rumors Joe Biden did, yet here is a tea partier and its a direct quote.  Quiet as Church Mice. #FAIL

I haven’t figured out if you are left or right since your posts are rather confusing.  Care to illuminate.

Public employees are working for – the government.  Doesn’t much matter, they earn a wage and pay taxes on that wage like everyone else does who works.  If suddenly their “department” was privatized is that the only way you think they’d be tax payers?

YES, you need to sort out who you are talking too.  You just chastised me for writing about public unions and then demonstrated a conservative inclination in other Posts?

And I still don’t understand the “body count” statistics?

THANK YOU PABLO

p.s. here kitty kitty (bovine = udderly)

I’LL BET YOU PLAY CHESS?  That was a reasoned argument.  LOL

Michelle I know that you bagger hobbit women have big hairy feet and hairy chest,  with crooked teeth and moles all over your faces .. but i want you to know one thing.. It gets better Michelle..It gets better..

You said there is something wrong with him.  Was that a Freudian slip?
I never said a damn thing about his “birth” did I.

You are obviously so far advanced in your head that I cannot keep up with you.  Oh the shame.

Wow, great rebuttal! to the TRUTH!

And… your point is…

You have now made an assertion, of sorts, defended the assertion, sort of, what is your conclusion in relation to the article and the debate?

hey schmega i guess you cant read ..so read this slowly.. im not debating policy.. as you can see phillips wasn’t either.. he was flame throwing nazi 9/11 terrorist garbage to try to motivate you’re party.. i was simply commenting on the sanity of your “leaders” who don’t talk solutions.. they talk crazy.. 

thank you now go shave your back hobbit..

OH LORDY!

A “looming catastrophe”! How scary!

That’s exactly right. They kill babies in the womb and fight for the “right” to use the remains for scientific research, but still deny there’s any valid comparison and get offended when we compare them to Nazis.

Screw them. Let them rot in their own evil filth.

SEEK, Do you remember AMERICA SUCKS, with the upside down flag?  All he did was try to irritate people.  MEGA PROGRESSIVE’s rhetoric is very similar?

Anyway, check out the article I mentioned toward the top, by Kimberly Strassl of the Wall Street Journal
“Union Power for thee, but not for me.”  If some of these leftists would earnestly read such they might have a revelation!

Purveyor     I’ve got a headache.  Vaya con Dios

Friggin awesome how you people need to be told what to say.

and also michelle referring to Wisconsin voters as “nazi stormtroopers” is disgusting and vile of him… real Nazis did exist and of yeah they were far right monsters… 
*fyi as far right kook as this guy phillips is i would never refer to him a a Nazi

They were the National Socialists, and they loved big government.

Um, the Nazis were right wing.  Are these people really that unintelligent?

Yes, how dare women exercise control over their own bodies.  The nerve!

Billion people killed by far left ideology?  Probably an exaggeration. 

The most reliable estimate is 94 million.  Here is the best starting point for anyone trying to quantify the death count:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism

seek123
If I reached into your wallet and took out a hundred dollar bill and then gave you back ten dollars did you just earn ten dollars or lose ninety dollars….?

The problem is how you define “far left.”  

There is simply no meaningful communist movement in America, so to lump liberals–who stand for nothing if not for helping people, like by preventing some 45 million Americans from dying each year for lack of health care–in with the horrors of communism is disingenuous at best and betrays a deep ignorance at worst.

Nazis were anti-capitalist, and they loved big, overbearing government. Are you unintelligent?

Communism is a distinct ideology; the vast majority of liberals are not communists.  

You can talk about the evils of communism, but your argument is akin to likening conservatives with fascist Nazis simply for being conservative.  It’s idiotic.

Um, their very first targets were trade unionists and socialists.

I’d ask if you are unintelligent, but your response speaks for itself.

Thank you for such an incisive, substantive rebuttal, Poopyhead.

I think it’s dopey and it isn’t going to solve anything.

Yeah. Just imagine how many black people we’d have running around if it weren’t for abortion on demand.

http://tinyurl.com/3bm9vkq

45 million? at least make up a  number based in reality

No prob, dude.

Look out for all those spooky “looming catastrophes”!

There’s wildly inaccurate…then, there’s what you posted.

You couldn’t be any further mistaken.

I fvcking love how those dolts cast their own traits, action and intentions onto others. 

ffs flea party….crack open a book, then read and weep as you realize that uber-rigid, fearful, paranoid conservative thinking has long been humanity’s greatest mass murderer.

Ignorance, hate and craziness all on display!! Obama may have disappointed us but who can wish these people take his place??

Haha, touche.  Definitely meant 45 thousand.   Which, to be fair, is still a lot.  Just not nearly as much as 45 million.

You break it you buy it.

Were there suicide bombings there before? No.

A billion is an exaggeration. The count has been done. You can find it here: http://tinyurl.com/y4ne3n

You could quibble over the left-ness of some of the perpetrators, but it’s well over 100 million and closer to 150 million.

Did you even read that piece?

its cool lilly, thanks for the correction

yeah, stalin and mao….wow right wingers

They took power via the trade unions and socialists. Then they turned on them, as dictators are wont to do. Do you know why the background of the Nazi flag is red?

The only group mentioned in the article were undisputed right wingers–fascist Nazis.

Then why don’t you explain how mistaken I am and why?

Public employees are not the “tax payers”.
It’s fairly simple.

No prob.  I edited my post to reflect what I meant–I do appreciate you pointing out my mistake, though!

Lack of health care is not a cause of death. You cannot seriously quantify that number. Everyone who dies dies of something that isn’t “lack of health care”.

And everyone dies. Death has an awesome track record.

This goes beyond the union matter..there is an ideology here which also includes ending minimum wage, dismantling he EPA and the Department of Education and rolling back all the progress of the New Deal. 

Think of this attack on unions as the tip of the iceberg. Little by little they chip away at one thing then another picking the easiest targets first .. and the worst part of it is that they promote this agenda with the most hateful extremist,intolerant rhetoric I have ever seen ….all the while playing the role of the victim.If they succeed they will end America as we know it.. 

This business about liberalism killing people is, of course, nonsense, but the kind of lie you would expect from this crowd of loonies.  On the other hand. and fortunately for them, the Tea Party has not been around long enough for its homicidal predelictions to be fully quantifiable.  Many of them appear to be fond of war, in which is killing as we speak, and opposed to proper health-care and education.  Their enthusiasm for making Americans sick, broke, stupid and dead has at least the advantage of weakening you so you are less of a threat to the rest of us. Many of them, apparently, are also religious conservatives, who have a deadly history.  Fortunately, modern secular governments do not permit them their traditional response to difference:  torture and mass murder.

responding to 420 with the mass murder charge……but neither side is innocent

Fact: you don’t know what fact means.

Gee, a paid lobbyist for the right doesn’t like the left.  Shocking.

http://politicalgumhockey.wordpress.com/

Tell the child who has to watch her father die of treatable cancer that lack of health care is not a cause of death.  

Are you trying to say that only 45,000 Americans die a year?  Because that is demonstrably false.  The 45,000 number is the number of preventable deaths caused by lack of health care, not the number of deaths in general.

Don’t mind if I take the word of the renowned researchers at one of the best medical schools in the country over yours.
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

This is the face of the Tea Bagers and he says only property owners should vote!!  Good bye renters!

That “study” is debunked crap. This left leaning source is much more credible. Iraq Body Count

Then, of course, the question is who killed them? The vast majority of them were killed by their fellow Muslims, not by Americans.

Absofuknlutely they were. And thats judged by either today or 20th century standards.

Let me give you a clue…revolutionaries, who soon after attaining power, that refuse to cede that power, while seizing and hording state coffers for themselves, forcing labor, and positively will grant no idea or ideology that didnt spring from their head…most certainly…belong to the right.

Bovine scatology

Fair enough.

I didn’t say anything about 45 thousand.

You can get your cancer treated in America. If you just don’t do it, you didn’t die of lack of health care, you died of cancer. Lots of people die of cancer. My father did. My daughter did. I watched it.

As for Harvard:

Nearly 45,000 annual deaths are associated with lack of health insurance, according to a new study…

Do you know what “associated with” means? Do you know how many deaths a year are associated with medical care?

Clearly you weren’t around during the Cold War years.  All of the support and praise for the Communist regimes in the United States came from the Left.  Go pull out some old issues of The Nation or The New Republic from the library and see how pleased the American left was with Marxism.  Go check out old issues of the New York Times, and see how lavishly they praised Stalin.   Educate yourself before commenting on these matters.

So Castro is a right winger? You’re funny.

Fact is that you wanted to recall Obama from day one..

Fact: Its called a running gag…rent a sennse of humor

thanks purveyor – read the article; very interesting and informative – should be required reading for a # of people don’t you think?

When I was young, I always wondered.. who can be so stupid to actually be sucked in by and pray to those that they purport to despise, the rich and powerful? And here you are, proud to be stupid.

This attack on unions is just the tip of the iceberg.. it is part of a campaign to eliminate all the progress of the New Deal ..but because most citizens have benefited from the New Deal..the attack is sold as “saving America from those hateful Liberals” Its sold by promoting fear and envy . and “winning back America!” 

And lets be honest.. years ago open racism was ok but today its frond upon..but the feelings are still there as evidenced by the amount of unreasonable hate directed toward the President and quickness with which ever nasty rumor about him is accepted and promoted by the radical right…Go ahead and deny it!!

pablo you in your heart of hearts on August 7 2011 believed that Adolph Hitler and the rest of his nazi goons were liberals… Any and everything you say from this point on is a non mother fucking factor … you sir are an idiot.. .. not one of you’re bagger buddies is backing you up on this or did you  not notice ? it’s scary that people as dumb as you walk among us regardless of party affiliation..

And that’s what the right doesn’t seem to understand.  Through all this the American people still approval of Obama’s performance over the GOTP by double digits.

Not being able to afford hundreds of dollars in medical care is not the same thing as choosing not to get it.  Also, though the article uses the term “associated,” it also uses the phrase “caused.”  Either way, the causal connection is clear.

On a more diplomatic note, I’m very sorry for your losses.

Yeah..Gotta love anti-abortion people. Protect the unborn, but F em once they are born.

We know that Marxism, Nazisim, and Communism (all Socialist causes) killed 100 million people last century.  We know that hundreds of millions of people were killed by abortion.  How do we get to 1 billion?

No, I don’t think there was anything liberal about them. I don’t think there’s much liberal about today’s “liberals” either. That’s why I’m a Classical Liberal.

Progressives bring death with them. Every fucking time.

I am sorry would you accept my apology, I meant to say a billion and two.

Obama’s idiocy is arguably more destructive than the utterings, racist or not, of media or public figures- we each choose whether to agree with or act on the basis of anyone’s statements, but do not generally have that choice with regard to legislation and government “policies”, also known as administrative law, that we have had no opportunity to influence prior to their implementation. This can be desrcibed, again, as the right bringing a very small knife to a full scale firefight… WAKE UP, folks…

Im sorry pablo ..what you actually you said was they(Nazis) were “left wing socialist”…  this pablo  absolutely is not true.. and david kramer i hope you “like” pablos idiocracy one more time.. it does take 2 to tea bag after all..

The proper terminology is STATIST, that is what I mean when I say leftists.

See, way back when liberal meant something good, they had the discussion about government control.

The left is pure state power and the right is pure individual power. The left has the tyrants, communists, dictators, etc. The far right is the anarchists and libertarians..

You folks on the LEFT aka STATE side of the argument have attempted to equate Nazi’s to the anarchists or something, which is quite funny by the way.

What the Nazis were, were the right side of the leftists. They did not like communism. They preferred the marriage between the companies and the government instead of the outright takeover of business by government.

So people arguing the semantics of left and right are either liars or ignorant of the meaning of the freedom line in the discussion about political power.

The Nazis in today’s parlance, equating them to the far right in the US is like comparing Hitler to Ghandi.

Well, this guy sounds about as good with math as Timmy Geithner.

I wrote an article awhile back and did a little research to determine how many Leftist, aka Statists killed over the years. If I remember correctly, the high side of all the estimates in ran into 225 million and on the low side about 100 million.

By the way lefties, I call you leftists because in the discussion of political power, you have the STATE on one side and on the other you have the INDIVIDUAL.

That is the CLASSICAL left vs right discussion. Are you going to attempt to equate say Ron Paul as a Nazi or something? REALLY!!!!!!

You can bring in the neo linguistic terminology all you want. It really matters not. Nazis were statists just like the leftists today are statists.

Now go away before I taunt you a second time.

He is as good with math as Timothy Geithner.

People seem to forget what Nazi is an acronym for.

I thought Sarah Palin was? Oh wait, you needed someone new to attempt to paint us all with a wide brush.
Oh wait, the Tea Party has no leader.

See, you cannot use Saul Alinsky rules if you have no one specific to attack and polarize.

Kind of sucks for you doesn’t it.

keep it up you two … C U Next Tuesday in Wisconsin you bagger hobbits..

Damn straight, how many times you going to vote?

No, I didn’t say that.  I said “Nazis were the National Socialist German Worker’s Party, and they loved big government” and I said “Nazis were anti-capitalist, and they loved big, overbearing government.”

Can you not read? Are you hallucinating? Would you like to dispute what I actually said? If so, do your homework and bring some facts.

Yep, Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.

National Socialist German labor party. Yeah, that is like saying Taxed Enough Already and smaller government proponents.

By the way, the Hobbits defeated the evil Sauron, Sarumon and all their evil minions.

Thanks for calling us Hobbits.

welp, you know the left could come up with something to.. The Idea though, you have to stick to campaign promises, you have to be for smaller government and you have to be for capitlaism before socialism. You have to understand government can’t give you everything. Some things you must earn.

Let me know when the left’s grassroot party exist…the 22nd century is not really that far off..

you weren’t there because of the cyst on your ass so we can’t accept your lies.

I’m guessing you’re one of the righties who has been under his bed since 9/11- stop the gun bs. You’ve never
had a gun -wouldn’t know how to use one without hurting yourself or God forbid – your kids.

A billion people dead does seem to be a little high. The head count I have so far of people killed by extreme “liberalism” is around 160 million.

20 million Russians killed by Stalin.
80 million Chinese killed by Mao Zedong.
60 million Africans and other 3rd worlders killed from malaria caused by the ”liberal” environmentalist push to ban DDT. 

A union doesn’t have enough members to oust a righty legislature. The Union negotiates but does NOT control the tax dollars. if the state doesn’t agree they can say no and deal with the consequences.
We don’t have a Democracy so workers can not negotiate individually- the union is their representative-
that must be extremely difficult for righties to understand given their low IQ’s.

Liberals are usually at the forefront of efforts that, on the surface, want to do good deeds and “help” people to be better human beings. Sounds really good, right? The problem is that they don’t think things all the way through to calculate the devastation they leave in their path.
For the last couple of decades I’ve been trying to get this across to people. I have inaccurately made my motto: “Do-Gooders are some of the most wicked people on the planet” when it should have been: “The evil of Do-Gooderism leads people to devastating unintended consequences”. This was all long before Tea Parties.
Phillips may vary well be right about a billion people. I’ve never tried to quantify it.

Your first line is pure righty BS so your post is worthless. Do you really think a state or the country can exist without workers? Righties have such stupid thinking i wonder how they are able to support themselves. 

Phillips looks gay- when is he coming out or do we have to wait for him to be caught toe tapping in a men’s room?

Tooo much intolecturealism goin’ on hear. Who cares what the exact number is, the commie cretins are good at killing and making it sound like a necessary first step. I say we encourage them to carry on but limit their efforts to liberals, make abortion mandatory for liberals, euthanasia for senior progressives, that over fifty O,
one of their heros’ Pol Pot preached that if girls could read they should be executed. I personally have always favored repeal of the nineteenth amendment    —- AND—- for all you Commie apologists out there who think murder is just fine as long as it is under a billion, try adding in Fidel, Chavez, Che, MBogo, Taylor, it doesn’t matter a dead Dim is a good Dim. 

 Here’s one for you Mr. Teaparty: https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=32d6774f82695e94&sc=photos&Bsrc=Photomail&Bpub=SDX.Photos&id=32D6774F82695E94%21203&sff=1

baggers, enjoy it while it lasts: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/05/us/politics/05teaparty.html

Tea Party, I love ya for waking up Washington..but your banging on the wrong drum when you try to bust unions. Can’t drink that kinda Tea..

Wow, here I thought Unions was to stop Large Business thugs from suppressing the masses and creating sweat shop labor camps.. yeah, yeah, pretty sure that’s how Unions started.. and still needed. Obviously, alot on the right here have no idea what an American union is.. shame, you know you don’t have to hang on the boss arse to save your job, you just do your job and can tell the boss to find another to kiss his ass. Come on, if you don’t own the company, even Managers paygrade is reflected higher in a union run shop..and trickles down to the non-union shops for that matter. You really are allowed to stand and be treated like a human being as a Union member, no matter what the Plantation owners think.

That’s American Unions.
 
If they need a recall on election..Im sure they wouldn’t break any laws..
 
Now for those wanting to throw corruption in unions.. You do realize Washington has more corruption than any combined Organzed crime? Many more stories on it.. Same with Large companies swindling people. You want to pick a few incidents on Unions over Government and greed of large companies? Maybe the Crime Bosses taught Those guys, including in Congress, but you know they surely surpassed them. on both sides.
 
Least the unions still pay out their pensions..seems like something the Government is thinking not to do… Strange how that works huh… I like to lean right, but I never walk blindly on any issue. Right to organize and pursuit of happyness still exist.
 
Even the worse rated Republican President, Harding(look him up), finally realized their rights back in the twenty’s.. while just about his whole cabinet was thieves and swindlers.. Probably why the right rates him the worse..(btw, I would rate the worse as Bush jr..maybe in the future..)

I view the Tea Party people as outlaws. criminals and terrorists. They’re not a legitimate political party with any Government in any States. The USA is now downgraded nation because of the Party.

Ron Paul is not againt unions for one… he believes in the right to organize.. I don’t think he likes it in a Government job, but I never heard him say he would Union bust one.

I wish this nutter from the Tea Party could account for his assnine rhetoric in relation to the real world, not his white hot fears that Fox and Rush have pumped into him.  He’s going batshit against an administration that by any rational measure has been center RIGHT!

If you look at Obama’s actions as opposed to his tepid rhetoric, since his first days in office he has he has acted consistantly like a moderate Republican:  

Health Care Reform was a scripted sell out to Big Pharm and the Insurance Companies just like Bush’s Medicare Part D (Tom Daschle’s book even reveals that Rahm and Obama even made a deal at the very outset with the Health Care giants not to support the public option);   He extended the Bush Tax Cuts; He folded a winning hand when McConnell offered him Executive leeway on Debt Ceiling; He went for a stimulus package that most major econs claimed was 1/3 size needed to prompt a real recovery; he escalated Afghanistan, didn’t close Guantanamo; Didn’t reverse warrentless wiretapping, didn’t pursue Bush torture architects, didn’t go after any 2008 Financial Sector meltdown malfeasance.

Sorry for the long list, but this guy is to the right of Reagan in many ways short of rhetoric and totally to the right of Ike.

Can any of you Tea Party nihlists articulate the real policies that have been proposed or pushed by Obama that are even traditionally liberal, forget anything within light years of Marxist or Communist?  Because if you can’t, you’ll have to admit, if only to yourselves, that you are going nuts chasing a political ghost that doesn’t exist.

Bone up on your reading comprehension skills Einstein.  I never suggested that we eliminate all state and federal workers but only that they are not tax payers.
They are tax takers.

I will state however that  state and federal govt.s cannot continue to pay above average wages for what in many cases is a low level skill and then pay outrageous pensions that are often more money than was paid while the person actually worked.

Private unions are fine, public ones are not, IMO.

As for RP’s position, I do not remember him in any video or speech address the issue. I like RP, he would sell me on him if he would make a stance on keeping a legitimately strong military and response if there were any attack against the US.

Unions had $87,000,000 to give to Democrats in the last election.They elect Democrats and “negotiate” union benefits with them. How sweet.No wonder they screamed like stuck pigs when they lost Wisconsin. Public sector employees need civil service rules,public sector unions need to be outlawed the same way they were instituted-by ececutive orders on state and federal levels,or the country is fiscally doomed.

“Liberal Ideology” has caused the extinction of the dinosaurs, the Eruption of Mount Vesuvius in 79 AD, the Toba catastrophe, the sinking of Atlantis (of course Liberals were responsible),the Black Death, the tornadoes in Tuscaloosa and Joplin, Cancer, Heart disease, and the last Ice Age.

“Liberal Ideology” will also be responsible for the coming Andromeda–Milky Way collision, as well as the Sun entering a red giant phase destroying Earth, and worst of all the ultimate end of the universe.

What is wrong with liberals? Why do they do this?

Interesting.  To be fair there has never been a downgrade and the US even if it didn’t raise the debt ceiling could still meet debt obligations by cutting payments to domestic and entitlement programs temporarily. 

Judson Phillips a true POS and a liar.

could clear the books if they closed foreign soil bases and cut back the Military War Machine. Throw in TSA and Homeland Security while they are at it..

 I think you could add Hitler’s numbers to the totals.  He was all about cleansing the gene pool, a noble Leftist goal.  And it was Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party, after all.  And he pushed for the kids to get exercise, like Michelle O – Strength Through Joy, if I remember correctly.

We do not need to police the world..

You must be the only human left on earth who doesn’t know Nazi stood for NATIONAL SOCIALISM dammit

Yeah,cause they were NATIONAL socialists as opposed to INTERNACIONALA (I am old enough to remember the catchy tune lol).All of them were murderous thugs,all progressive

You were doing fine until that rude, unnecessary comment at the end.

Anyway, that is the point, isn’t it? Quote: “A union doesn’t have enough members to oust a righty legislature.” GOOD! That is how Republic works. If there is an alleged Constitutional violation, the Union can seek relief from the courts. If there is no Constitutional issue, the Union or employees must convince the electorate, the citizens, the voters as to the merit of their income needs. Then the voters elect Representatives, who, subsequently, can hire and fire and raise or lower the pay of State employees. All the while representing the rights and needs of the taxpayer. (which includes State employees)
Having inserted State/Public Unions into the process, has created a contra Constitutional situation. You may not like it, and I’ve got things I don’t like either. Hence, I am not willing to adjust the law or basic ethics to suit your whim. Public Unions pit the Government against the taxpayer for the benefit of the Union. Enough of this you scoundrel!

Once again,slowly…German and Italian “fascists” called themselves socialist

Agreed, I think we should charge any nation that wants our military there for their protection. Privatize it so to speak. It is even in the Constitution under letters of Marquis.

~To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;~

Agreed, Paul likes that too. And if not for it when our navy was small, we would never had made it.. funny how we turned against it later.. ohwell.. can be touchy.. we already have 3rd world torture camps..

“Liberal Ideology” is responsible for 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 deaths in the Milky Way galaxy alone.

There are galaxies and parallel universes that have had a much higher death toll.

Thank you Judson Phillips, for finally discussing this issue. People need to speak out like you are. You are a true patriot. This killing across all space and time needs to stop!

Why do liberals hate us?  Liberals are really mean!

“Liberal Ideology” is responsible for 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 deaths in the Milky Way galaxy alone.

There are galaxies and parallel universes that have had a much higher death toll.

Thank you Judson Phillips, for finally discussing this issue. People need to speak out like you are. You are a true patriot. This killing across all space and time needs to stop!

Why do liberals hate us?  Liberals are really mean!

The tea party nation are not the Tea Party. They’re wannabe politicians.

Too funny!  Thanks for the laughs.

So, what your saying is Obama has finally felt what power of freedom is, climbed out from under the Democratic thumb and has Abandon the notions of the left? Knowing it is better to stand on two feet than to be handed crumbs with both hands? Pretty Good Analogy there.. I have thought the same.. surely he will do some good for the left eventually? surely? wont he? eventually?

Actually this is the one area where a real percentage of the left and right can agree.  Make love not war!  Bring home the troops!

Hmmm..UK thought the same back in the Revolutionary days…funny how that works..

Amen!

Amen!

You can’t recall a president, genius.

Was there freedom there before? No. There was Saddam murdering anyone who even thought about getting in his way.

You miss Saddam, don’t you, Bunky?

Thank you!

I hope tea party types here do not take me literally. It would not shock me.

Union Decline Accounts for Much of the Rise in Wage Inequality, Study Finds
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110726092151.htm

Study: Union Decline Accounts for Much of the Rise in Wage Inequality
http://www.asanet.org/press/Union_decline_Accounts_for_Wage_Inequality.cfm

Wage Inequality Rise Linked to Union Decline
http://ts-si.org/workplace/30816-wage-inequality-rise-linked-to-union-decline

The hyperbole of tea party people never seizes to amaze me.
Life is not all black and white. Life is complicated. They seem to have forgotten this fact.
The left needs to fight back, but in a different more intelligent way. President Obama needs to lay it out to Americans and the world what the Tea types are about.

From my background, one that knew me, would think I was a strong Democrat supporter. I am not. Nor do I stand on the far right. This Union stuff tears me off the Tea Party, their fools to go there and support it. That’s why the Tea Party is grassroots. The only real Agenda is smaller government, less regulations and fair taxation. Anyone that grabs further with the Tea Party name to “me” is not a Tea Party supporter. Any left wing party stand for those three and I would switch in a minute.. well, and keep the right to bear arms. Funny, I see those on the left shouting gun control while they defend their families with guns during home invasions..strange how that works.. never understood that.. Grew up in chicago.. Dems make sure the legal guy can’t go packing a gun, while all the thugs have them..strange..

anyways..

But to give away more entitlements and not fix problems in current programs shows me the left can actually be more harm than the right. There has to be a balance. We use a currency that works off the backs of human beings thru taxation. Those, such as I that “work” or worked for a living know this has to come to a halt eventually. You cannot survive off others backs. In the same respect, Union busting and greed from the top companies is a definate show of what Republicans think of blue collar. That’s not gonna fly either.

While we whine on both sides, why have we not asked the Houses to rein in their programs of entitlements? Why don’t they vote for less salary, term limits and use programs they ask the American people to use? Shouldn’t we reel their greed in before they all become Barons, Dukes and Kings? Why do we allow that? Strange..very strange.

Government unions are a problem. As for everyone else, it’s a free country, knock yourselves out. OK, it used to be a free country, but you get my drift.

FDR on Public Employee Unions:

“The process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be
transplanted into the public service,” Roosevelt wrote in 1937 to the
National Federation of Federal Employees. Yes, public workers may demand
fair treatment, wrote Roosevelt. But, he wrote, “I want to emphasize my
conviction that militant tactics have no place” in the public sector.
“A strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on
their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government.”

http://tinyurl.com/4dqgvag

Oh boy here we go well at least he’s showing his true stripes. Oh brother. No wonder we cant find common ground.

Looks like you were born about 50 years to late and on the wrong side of the Atlantic.

Maybe less Government jobs could balance the issue. Why has Government invade where private could and possibly would do better? You reap what you sow.. End Department of Education or cut it WAY back and allow private enterprise to run the school districts with government oversight. We always complain private schools have better learning… well..

Bunky? Um, okay. As for freedom, I’m not sure massive voter fraud and corruption are the same thing as freedom. Nor are the million deaths.

Hahahaha Naziz were progressive.  Riiiighhhhttttt.  

He is correct. The communists of the world along with the national socialists must have killed hundreds of millions. I can’t recall a single conservative, free market government being responsible for killing its citizens.

Liberals support Artificial Intelligence Taking over the World, and A.I. will not be as cool as Bender on Futurama! It will suck!
Liberals are responsible for the human emotions of sadness, fear, and hate.
Liberals are responsible for humans still having our appendix. What sickness!
Liberals are even responsible for Wisdom teeth!
You know all the music you hate? Food you dislike? Liberals are responsible!
Why do Liberals cause such misery?

sigh

Which is why America is so lucky to have this new, uplifting voice for positive change in these parlous times. What can come of such rhetoric but a greater dedication to working together to solve the nation’s problems?

And some people doubt the very sanity of Tea Party adherents. How could that possibly be so?

One wonders if they *ever* realized that life is complicated and have instead simply blundered their way through their lives with a comic-book view of reality.

The evidence is compelling.

The national socialists were fascists.  They despised communism and socialism, which is why they persecuted followers of both.

Considering how many of them lack an understanding of irony or human empathy, one must wonder.

The United States of Rwanda.

Coming soon!

Military is approximately $700 billion, you are about $900 billion short.

And once again, regardless of their name–which, ahem, also included the term “national,” a distinctly right-wing ideology–they persecuted socialists and communists.  They were fascists, regardless of what they called themselves.

It’s like the “strict constitutionalists” of the Tea Party who want to utterly subvert and change the Constitution.  Saying it doesn’t necessarily make it true.

And clearly you don’t understand McCarthyism.  Or, shall I say, you are a victim of it’s ideology.

Were there socialists in the US in the 1950s and 60s?  Yes.  Is it still 1955?  Um, obviously not.

Margaret Thatcher had a great response to your bull.

You do not decrease the inequality by making the poor poorer and the rich poorer. You decrease the inequality by making everyone richer.

Why do you want to make everyone poor? That is right, you are a leftist.

agreed… everyone that works should have a union…:)

close bases

$700 Billion is the ENTIRE budget for the military. Are you going to also want to renege on military pensions and healthcare? By the way, that is part of the $700 billion. Are you really going to advocate shutting down the entire military? I say leave those up where the governments of other nations will pay. Build about 50 along the southern border.

Now that is one jobs program I would back, building those bases.

It would help if Obama didn’t cave to hostage taking blackmailers.  I’m still waiting to see a Progressive in the WH … or even a Democrat.

The Job Killing and Health Care takeover called Obama Care.
The Job Killing and Financial takeover bill.
The NLRB telling Boeing where and where they cannot build.
The Fast and Furious implementation to take away our right to bare arms.

If you would like more, I will be happy to oblige.

So taking a government job means surrendering your human rights? Given the lunacy at the top of the demented Tea Party, I guess that’s not such a radical notion.

So taking a government job means surrendering your human rights? Given the lunacy at the top of the demented Tea Party, I guess that’s not such a radical notion.

Do we know how many people were killed by right-wing dictatorships throughout South and Central America?

Not trying to make a point, just wondering since you seemed to know about this.

forein bases are a waste…. we are not the world police force, although pentagon wants us to be.. seriously? we cannot protect ourselves and we have how many bases offshore? why? who is rising up against the big power this day.. 10 guys in turbins?

The most upsetting for me IS the seeming lack of empathy.  Simple concepts like how it has come about that 50% of the population doesn’t pay income taxes.  How the destruction of unions is reflected in the vanishing middle class.   

David, this is exactly what I’m talking about – Can you name any significant gun control initiatives undertaken by Holder or Obama? There haven’t been any, but that won’t stop the NRA from trying to fund raise on fantasy threats!

Do you know the reality of the HCR bill ?(Obama and Rahm made a backdoor deal with the Health Care, Pharmaceutical and Insurance Companies not to support even a public option, much less single payer)

And there was never anything called or resembling a “financial takeover bill” unless you are trying to reference the one year from 2009 until 11/2010 when the government carried GM while they reorganized and then had an IPO. Wow, keeping one of the largest manufacturers in America from going Chapter 7, then helping them be sold back to private investors – that’s really a marxist move…

For the Tea Party and Rush crowd, the old saying “You have the right to your own opinions, but not your own facts” really is on point. The real world isn’t reflected in your skewed fears, stoked by people who benefit from misguided outrage.

Can I introduce you to the military dictatorships of South and Central America, coups in which the US supported right-wing regimes which overthrew democratically elected governments in order to “open” the markets of those countries?  Or would you prefer to bask in your ignorance a bit longer?

This is what passes for intelligent thought in todays extreme right GOP. LOL

If Wisconsin “is ground zero,”  and the Dems win on Tuesday night; does this foreshadowed
things to come in 2012?

do you have any idea what a worker in America would be making and the hours they would be working without benefit if not for unions? There is and always will be reason behind unions. And the biggest reason is Greed by company owners. It’s what they deem as Plantation mentality. It exist, always has and always will. These unions have not been around forever, Dukes and Barons would not allow them to organize. There is no better living environment than a union for the common worker. And beit whatever companies would like you to know, there is no more pride in workmanship than the Amercian Union worker. You have bd apples in everything..just look to Government to show that.. Overall, you cannot beat an American Union period as a worker.

Seriously, who you trying to convince they are wrong? No noe will vote for a union unless the balance has been broken. Usually by the thugs in Corporate greed. You know it, I know. We are not suppose to be a slaved labor nation.

Wow, do you think that maybe a law could be passed to disallow things like what you bring up. No? By the way, I have already said that I do not mind private unions, public unions is a form of soft communism.

By the way, when I ran my business, I paid my workers higher than in any of the unions. Kind of sucks to make blanket statements isn’t it?

The tea party crew do not understand how government works or they wouldn’t be doing what they are doing. They just created a situation that was not called for  because they don’t believe in government and the rest of the world sees that. But they are still buying our treasuries in spite of their ignorance, or intolerance. Government can and did operate in conjunction with capitalists, and when it did really well, 1950 to 1972 we had the best per capita income in our history, 3%. Since then it has dropped to 1 to 1.5%, what it was before the new deal. We are going backwards as a nation and they are leading us there…………unless you vote them out.

I would assume they never voted in a union.. you obviously did a good fair and equal job.

Briiliant, except that Nazis were also socialist, the nationalist kind. Communists are also socialists, the Marxists kind, the world order kind. That was the difference, a more radical version of socialism. For Gods sake don’t they teach history in school anymore?

This Grand Wizard looks constipated. He and the rest of his ilk should take a long walk on  a short pier.

This guy here would definately push me left..That’s why no one controls the real tea party.. he even looks scary..that bump on his cheek I have seen in Aliens..scary.. but anyways..Im still a supporter for the ideals of the real Tea Party..

If people would just do what is right, I don’t care if it’s a tea, coffee or milk party.. fix what you have.. reel in what is out of control.. close down departments that invade privacy of the people in any name you call it.. quit the damn spending and allow time for our nation within borders to grow again. Yes, jobs in Government will be lost just like in Private sectors. FIX stuff, quit expanding when you have nothing! The Tea party has faults in some thinking..none worse than the left or old guard right who sleep with each other and continue down the wrong paths.. Tea party didn’t get a downgrade, A couple of trillion spent that was not reeled in got the downgrade..and was warned by the tea party, by china and other nations and by the lending institutes! it was ignored! and on what? BORROWING money..quit borrowing money! Americans live within their means..so should Government.

Hey, as long as you’re pulling insane statistics out of your butt, why not shoot for the moon? A billion is chump change. Why not ten billion? A hundred billion? Liberals have killed infinity-plus-one people. It’s a fact — look it up!

Why anyone ever took these clowns seriously is a mystery to me.

Handy-tip: Sticking “fact” in front of everything you post doesn’t magically change it from complete bullshit.

Fact: Jokes have to be funny to actually be jokes.

You’re right that they weren’t any kind of free marketers (for those barbarians, one must look to the military dictatorships we supported throughout the 70s and 80s in South America), but that doesn’t change the fact that fascism–what the Nazis were–is a right-wing ideology.

     Just4the fax, do you pay taxes of any kind?  Do you use services of any kind, like the police dept., fire dept., or have kids in public school?  How about health insurance, who pays your medical bills?  Do you know any folks who lost their homes, their jobs? 

     I just want to know where you’re coming from.  Because it’s so easy to put everything on one person’s shoulder after 8 years of George Bush.  But then again, maybe you aren’t old enough to remember the 2 wars and countless lives lost.  Or the way we were almost bankrupt, before Obama became President.  Just remember, if noone can afford to buy anything because of no work, we all go down together. 

“Liberals have killed infinity-plus-one people. It’s a fact — look it up!”

The real number Liberals have killed is actually much higher than infinity-plus-one.
Judson Phillips told me so.
Judson Phillips is a true American hero.

The problem with public unions is a simple thing. They use their union to elect those that will give them the best deals in the contracts not caring how it hurts other taxpayers or even how they are going to be paid their outrageous benefits. They then use their positions to call for slow downs, sick offs, etc shutting down essential services. They also use their government funded jobs to foment their rhetoric. Calling in sick and organizing where private people cannot do this government lobbying.

Sorry, public unions have to go, period. Heck, even FDR and the first AFL CIO president knew that. And the current one put it precisely why they must be stopped, these unions have NOTHING to do with anything but POWER. That is paraphrased and I will get you the quote if you want.

And it’s all for POWER? can you point one out? That’s for the POWER.. And this over the top benefit package? can you point that out? Or are you just going on hear-say without base to why they must go?

And it’s all for POWER? can you point one out? That’s for the POWER.. And this over the top benefit package? can you point that out? Or are you just going on hear-say without base to why they must go?

Yeah, you never read any articles about the problems with outrageous benefits like in Wisconsin the unions threatening to strike and suing if they did not get their Viagra- http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/02/18/in-midst-of-financial-crisis-wisconsin-union-sue-for-viagra/

California unions getting over $200k pensions. No need for that link, there are thousands, just google.

By the way, with the way the pensions are shaking out, everyone will be getting hit with tax increases of $1500 per year for the next 30 years. That is EVERY YEAR.

By the way, I am sick of informing you of the problems, maybe you can inform yourself.

Newsflash: revenue increases WON’T solve the problem. The very rich could be taxed 90% and it would barely make a dent. Defense could be slashed by half and it would barely make a dent. Only heavily cutting entitlements will work. And, that is the real hard truth. So, please, dispense with the painfully ignorant it’s-those-evil-Republicans-refusal-to-raise-taxes-that’s-the-problem….because it ain’t.

Newsflash: revenue increases WON’T solve the problem. The very rich could be taxed 90% and it would barely make a dent. Defense could be slashed by half and it would barely make a dent. Only heavily cutting entitlements will work. And, that is the real hard truth. So, please, dispense with the painfully ignorant it’s-those-evil-Republicans-refusal-to-raise-taxes-that’s-the-problem….because it ain’t.

By the way, I am sick of informing you of the problems, maybe you can inform yourself

Thanks for the link, that’s a medical issue right? shame on them.. don’t they know that will break a country!! I guess it’s not covered in private insurance.. or is it?

Hmmm..200k a year pension? that’s absorb!! Sounds more like CEO’s or congress even! I wouldn’t pay it.. any more? So the big thing in Wisconsin is over Viagra? wow, yeah I would hate to have all those old guys walking around with woodies..could knock an eye out.. I can see how that is SUCH a big deal to Bust a whole union… you know, that was pretty lame.. you lost alot of respect right there..

By the way, I am sick of informing you of the problems, maybe you can inform yourself

Thanks for the link, that’s a medical issue right? shame on them.. don’t they know that will break a country!! I guess it’s not covered in private insurance.. or is it?

Hmmm..200k a year pension? that’s absorb!! Sounds more like CEO’s or congress even! I wouldn’t pay it.. any more? So the big thing in Wisconsin is over Viagra? wow, yeah I would hate to have all those old guys walking around with woodies..could knock an eye out.. I can see how that is SUCH a big deal to Bust a whole union… you know, that was pretty lame.. you lost alot of respect right there..

If you did, indeed, read this piece here is a fact you should have researched:
http://bahumuth.bitfreedom.com/ddt-global-ban-myth

Sticking to the story, FACT: DDT was not banned completely. In fact, after more cases of malaria broke out it was used extensively. It simply didn’t work anymore. Why? The MALARIA CARRIER MOSQUITO became DDT RESISTANT!
http://bahumuth.bitfreedom.com/ddt-global-ban-myth  Please google it. There are many more stories that are true.
So, you see, these rants about liberals, Rachel Carson and other environmentalists KILLING PEOPLE IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. Do a little research people. Just another hate story by, whom else, Tea Party Nation. How can one believe anything from them?

Confession.  Truly no time to read the other comments. I just think because of the Tea Party Republicans , Obama was forced to save the debt by cutting much needed social programs.  If low income people do not get enough health care, how many of them will pass away because they didn’t get the health coverage they needed. In other words how many will succumb to diseases that if caught early enough could be successfully treated or even cured, but didn’t because health care , ie Medicaid, Medicare was too severely slashed?

You haven’t paid attention to the what’s going around the net. If the rich were taxed at 90% the national debt would be paid down in 10 years.

Wisconsin is run by Tea Party Republicans….I don’t know where you’re getting this tax & spend sh!t.

Wisconsin is run by Tea Party Republicans….I don’t know where you’re getting this tax & spend sh!t.

can you point source to those cuts Obama will be doing, and please show what he will save in their place? can you please point why Democratic President picks the Social Securty and Medicare over other programs to be cut to killing point? Im pretty sure a republican would find fat in other places and just restructure and fix holes in the current plans..like not paying 25 bucks for an asprin. Remember, he said those checks could not go out to the public, as they had already been put in the mailbox. He was just playing the Boogie man on old folk and vets..it was his kind of joke..did ya laugh? Maybe less Medical lobbying and more Medical clobbering?

So, if a conservative uses DDT on his property while his wife is pregnant, is he a Nazi?
http://panna.org/resources/specific-pesticides/DDT?quicktabs_1=1

Please post your research on how scientific research is killing babies in the womb in order to do their research. Stem cell research uses unbilical cord stem cells, that’s AFTER the baby is born. See the difference? Live baby. Research. Perhaps those who tell lies such as this should “rot in their own evil filth”.
If you are talking about embryos, those are owned by the people donating and that is no business of yours or mine what they do with them. Some just let them remain until they are declared unusable and thrown out. Want smaller government. HA-HA-HA. Give me a break! 

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I’m watching World At War right now…At least FDR did get one thing right. If we are going to go into a war we should have raised taxes and sold War Bonds. Instead Bush more than doubled the national debt. If we wouldn’t have cut taxes on the uber rich we could have actually spent the money on needed things. Things such as updating the bridges all over the nation. The score for the state of our bridges is a C- . For what is supposed to be the “richest” nation on earth it’s hard to see it in action. Instead we had the I-35 bridge collapse. We also have other bridges that they are going to wait until they collapse before they are rebuilt. (The I-40 bridge at Memphis over the widest river in the US, the Mississippi)

I agree if we have no jobs we have no money to spend. I was looking at the facts regarding the “Great Depression”. Back then it was the upper 1% of Americans who controlled 93% of the nations wealth. No wonder we had  no money to spend. FDR raised taxes on the rich, and guess what…The economy turned around and until the 70′s when our support for Israel and the Oil Embargo led to our economic downturn under Nixon. The one thing that irks me the most about Israel, we give each Israeli Jew $2000 each year. Notice I said Israeli Jew, we give ZERO to the Israeli Arabs or even Israeli (Orthodox) Christians.

Yes nazis were right of communists, but they are still ‘both’ socialists. Now which political philosophy does this sound like? Republican or democrat? Use your own brain not the collective brain. It doesn’t get much easier than this.

That is some simplistic logic. All taxpayers pay for their salaries, not just private sector employees. This is that illogical tea Party Logic at play. To make matters worse, you have the audacity to suggest taking away private sector employees out of the taxpapayer mix. Public education is financed by everyone just as police and fire are. You seem to imply that private sector employees are superior to public sector employees. Private sector companies are people to incorporate them in the Caymen islands, the Bahamas et al to avoid paying their fair share of taxes. I gues that’s ok huh? What do you do for a living by the way?

You know what, this isnt fun anymore. 

You insist on pretending that “social programs” and “socialism” are synonymous. They’re not. Get over it.

Hey, you can roll your sleeves up pretty much anywhere you want, so I think the bare arms things is handled.

As none of the other things you mention are even real, I think we should pass on even trying to discuss them.

the TPARTY PATRIOTS freshman were responsible for the downgrade and they are responsible for the inaction of Congress since November 2010. They promised jobs, they have introduced 16 amendments to the US constitution all favoring thyir ideologies. They would change the US constitution to satisfy their narrow minded, selfish religious and bigoted views. They promised jobs and did nothing. There only goal is to make Obama fail, and the country be damned. As for the deficit, most responsible economists, including Paul Krugman says that deficit is not the real problem, revenue is the problem The Financing of two wars, without sacrifice and revenues was irreponsible. We all got lied to, Cheney said that Iraq would pay for the war out of oil revenues, instead the US taxpayers have funded the enrichment of Halliburtan, Cheney Oil company and Blackwater-200,000 mercenaries, costing US taxpayers $122,000 each more than regular soldiers. The tax cuts for the wealthy-$3.4 bn. Obama’s mistake was he didn’t let the BUSH TAX CUTS expire, the OMB said, that the deficit would disappear in 10 years, with the end of the wars etc.. It is a lie, it is a fraud the tea party is perpetrating on the economy, we are all paying because the repugs-corporate buddies want to continue shipping jobs overseas, maximize profite on Wall STreet . At least the liberals want US dollars to create US jobs, pay US salaries, support US families and pay US benefits. Our generosity is to the millions of americans instead of the corporate persons who have no country loyalty or patriotis.

Because we are apparently uneducable, does that mean you’re giving up? That you’ll stop posting here?

Wow! You are a good sport.

this man is a liar and bloviator. He is a projectionist. The evils he has witnessed are those of the rpublican and tparty making. THE BUSHIES TOOK US into two wars of choice (hundreds of thousands have died) at their hands, The Ugliest woman in AMerica, GOV JAN BREWER of AZ took funding from organ transplant programs to finance her privatized prison system run by her corporate buddies. US innocents DIED AND SHE MADE THE DECISION. In TX, they really have death panels, death by committee in hospitals for poor patients. There may not be billions, that the republicans have killed, but we know many of them by NAME. Just how much is a life worth?? This TPARTY GUY AND FRIENDS HAVE BEEN putting price tags on americans lives for 30 years.

Private sector employees are superior.  They work harder, longer and do it for less money.  For example any convenience store can get some kid to work as a cashier for ten bucks and hour but for some reason if we want a cashier to work a toll booth the state will pay 25 dollars an hour for some guy who collects quarters and makes change. Then we have to give the guy medical and pension benefits and it is almost impossible to fire the guy if it was necessary.

If I were you I wouldn’t be using school teachers as a good example of govt. spending considering the way they behaved in Wisconsin and the test score scam they were pulling in Atlanta for years.
Any private sector school teacher would have been fired immediately and rightly so.
In Detroit they graduate kids who can’t even read.
Many states are on the verge of default because of lucrative salary and pension benefits all negotiated without the actual people who pay for it  present.
California has 500 billion in unfunded pension liabilities.
Are the school teachers going to foot the bill or will it be  the real tax payers….?

The Financing of two wars, without sacrifice and revenues was irreponsible. We all got lied to, Cheney said that Iraq would pay for the war out of oil revenues, instead the US taxpayers have funded the enrichment of Halliburtan, Cheney Oil company and Blackwater-200,000 mercenaries, costing US taxpayers $122,000 each more than regular soldiers.

Im right there with ya on that… the rest, you need to think on..
the tax cuts are expiring shortly.. If you don’t want to bleed the common worker dry as you state, you would want the left to cut down on programs and spending..who do you think pays for those? We use a currency based on tax..who do you think they will tax?  We should just tell them flat tax.. across the board, but you do realize, Mobil will just pass their tax at the pumps..again working stiffs get to pay it one way or the other.. small government means less debt, and less taxes.. don’t just hold the democrats hand as he leads you down that hallway..keep the lights on for protection..I wouldn’t trust them..

Justin Phillips saaid that the founding fathers intent was that only landowners should get to vote….i guess that would eliminate most of you stupid broke ass baggers….remember when FOX was broadcasting his groups rallys???? they stopped the day after phillips made that comment and switched from following the tbagger nation to following the tbagger express…this guy is a luntic racist and should get no play at all from any of the networks

Newsflash: For four straight years the federal government was taking in more money than it was spending – 1998-2001 – because of higher tax rates and the Pay-Go rules. When the irresponsibly stupid Bushies got in there with a repugnant Congress they reversed all of the progress made in the previous decade. We were running budget surpluses and paying down on the national debt. What happened? Baby Bush’s tax cuts and spending he refused to pay for (Baby’s wars, homeland security, Medicare Part D). So please dispense with the painfully ignorant crap that out-of-control spending is the source of our debt and deficits because it ain’t. Baby added $5 trillion to the national debt under the irresponsible moron’s term. Baby is also the only American president to sign tax cuts into law during a time of war, which begs the question as to why no other president ever did it: because it’s irresponsibly stupid.

Sometimes I do not know if I want to laugh or cry about it. No it is not fun but….

I decided to laugh at Judson Phillips and his hyperbole. Humor can be useful.
Judson Phillips needs anger management. Seriously. How does his rhetoric help our Country? I realize there are Tea Party people who are well meaning, but this dude is messed up.

People such as Judson Phillips will create the totalitarian government they fear the most. Think about it.

Ironic is it not?
President Obama is a centrist who slightly leans to the left, but his opposition consider him worse than Stalin. Boggles the mind.

Ironic is it not?
President Obama is a centrist who slightly leans to
the left, but his opposition consider him worse than Stalin. Boggles
the mind.

What human right is that? Is that like the human right to a satellite dish?

http://tinyurl.com/3ppyzmn

That is more like what I expected from you, and this in a compliment, not an insult. You know the costs and stick to your principles.

Michigan is running behind WI, but doing the same recall thing. MI’s constitution and laws take more time to apply and results may not be known until next Feb in some cases.

You do know that the Nazis were free market capitalists, don’t you? Nazis attacked German communists first, and when the communists were beaten politically, the Nazis turned to the Jews, who were also not liked in Austria, France, Italy, and the rest of Europe. Jew then = Muslim today in the uber conservative mind. Yes, Nazis were very, very “conservative.” They praised their heritage and made up what heritage they wanted to. They believed in “German Exceptionalism” AKA the Aryan Race. Yup. Ultra-patriotic and ultra-conservative.

Hitler made a peace pact with Stalin to share Poland, then stabbed him in the back. Meanwhile, Stalin only called himself a communist. In reality he was a bank robber who fell in with the communists for protection from the police. He brought (stolen) money into the party, and rose through the ranks by beating up people.

The last thing Lenin said before he died was “Whatever you do, don’t let Stalin be leader!” Lenin wanted Trotsky to be the next leader, but when Lenin died Stalin drove Trotsky into exile, and had him killed in Mexico. Stalin was provably crazy. Hitler was provably crazy.
Crazy is crazy, and Judson Phillips is crazy.

Many right-wing dictatorships were later replaced by left-wing dictatorships (see Cuba and El Salvador) but in the end, nobody could tell one from the other. Honduras was a capitalist right-wing military dictatorship and for all I know, still is. Costa Rica is a great example of a stable mixed economy of capitalism with a strong social safety net, including universal health care. If Costa Rica can do that, we can too.
Oh, oh. I dare to know of the world beyond our borders. That will get me in hot water around here.

I’m so happy for you! You found an absurd-sounding idea out there in the world. Will wonders never cease?

If you’d care, just for the heck of it, to be serious, how about these human rights: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights

Which include freedom from fear, freedom from want, and dignity, all of which are compromised by government workers having fewer rights than those in the private sector.

The words of the dictator mean what the dictator wants them to mean. A sociopath will use whatever words will achieve his goals. He will use or create any ideology to explain his actions, and once he has gotten the loyalty of enough thugs and desperate fools, he can do what he wants and call it what he wants. A truly dysfunctional economy creates many desperate fools looking for any leadership that promises pride, patriotism, and a way out of the mental depression.

Does that apply to the TEA Party? NO! NO! NO!

It does apply when a political novice thinks a dictator says what he means and means what he says.

It only proves propaganda works.

The really, really hard part was getting US bases closed! All kinds of politicians said close every base but the one in my district. Even Boehner still wants absolutely unnecessary jet engines built in his district. (Imagine it. Two engines for every F35, which happens to be a single engine aircraft, and we don’t even need F35s.)

Where did all the US bases come from? Most of them were build to train for WW II. How did we finally get a lot of them closed? The military wanted them closed more than anybody else, but congress was still playing “you scratch my back and…” Finally, another Gang of six type committee was formed, the military gave them its recommendations (more than 100 bases) and the committee approved most of them. Then, the whole congress had to vote up or down on the entire package.

Meanwhile, we have closed major overseas bases. The biggest one I know of was a Navy base at Subic Bay in the Philippines. I could look up others, but also be aware that some countries subsidize our bases in their territory. They are not all taking a full free ride.

Really, really true about the bad movies and all TV programing, except of course Fox News!

Funny that conservatives can’t say “job” without “killing” right after it.

This is where you are incorrect.  Just what entitlements are you talking about???  Despite what you are told by the CBO and Fox news, Military spending and borrowing takes up 54% of the general fund.  It also accounts for an estimated 80% of our current debt.  Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare don’t come out of the general fund, they have their own separately funded trust fund.  They are NOT entitlements.. we are paying into them!  We spend more on our military than the next 15 countries COMBINED.. 12 of which are our allies.. and you have to ask.. are we safe yet?  You want the real facts on military spending?  http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm. 

Given that military spending takes up 54% of the fund.. and that is a fact.. increasing taxes on the people that profit from it should only be common sense right?  That would be the Bush family, the Rumsfeld family.. military contractors, oil companies (haven’t paid taxes in 10 years).  GE hasn’t paid taxes in 5 years.. and in that same time period made $25B in profits while getting $3.4B in tax credits last year alone. 

The real hard truth.. Reagan killed the economy for the sake of the rich getting more cash in their pockets at the expense of the middle class.  trickle down didn’t work.. and I’m pretty sure what was trickling down was yellow and smelled.  Bush continued it, and the economy stabilized under Clinton.. and in fact grew very strong.. and baby Bush.. killed it.. and now we are reaping the rewards of his blown economic programs. 

The upper 1% pay less in taxes as a percentage of income than what’s left of the middle class because they pay capitol gains tax instead of income tax.  Corporations are supposed to pay 35% of their profits.. but we all now that’s not happening.  The upper 1% ya… they do pay 70% of the taxes.. which seems like a lot more than anyone else.. but when you figure that they make 90% of the income in this country you have to wonder just who is getting screwed here.. I’ll tell you who… what’s left of the middle class is. 

Republicans are crying.. but these 1% you want to raise taxes on are the same people that will invest in jobs.. and it doesn’t make sense to tax them.  I got news for you.. they’ve had the lowest tax rate on the upper income for what?? 80 or 90 years?  and they still haven’t done any hiring.. here.  (they are doing plenty of hiring overseas where they don’t have to worry about spills or working conditions)   TAX THEM.. tax them at the same rate that Kennedy brought the upper tax rate down to.. and that fueled a hugely growing economy for 20 years before Reagan got his corporately greedy scum covered hands on… 70%!

Thank you! Thank you! My deceased Teamster father thanks you! He got fired in the ’30s for trying to help form a union before he got the Teamster supported job, and the Teamster pension was decent, too. Nothing great, but decent.
As for bad unions, the UAW earned my scorn. They went on strike because I had a non-union job in the same industry, and they priced themselves and GM out of the market by not knowing when to stop demanding more.

The same lesson always applies. Don’t blame a whole group because one element is rogue.

Straw man! (This straw man game is fun!)

Not convinced. Private schools do cost more and can be religious based or have a political agenda (far beyond a local school board’s agenda). They are “better” because in most cases they can be selective of students. I say stick with private and public competition. Any federal funds that can be spared given directly to public schools with no strings attached.
“Free” education may not be a right, but it is a government responsibility and the entire society does benefit from it.

Straw man!!!

Much as I hate to agree with you on this subject, California unions did pull something like the UAW scam, but the politicians were complicit in that. They gave themselves great pay and benefits along with the public unions. Each state legislator got a new car for use so long as he/she was in office! Credit card for the gas, too.

Here is what happened in Bell, CA http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-20/california-official-s-800-000-salary-in-city-of-38-000-triggers-protests.html

That is corrupt government at its worst, and the crooks still get a pension that is proportionate to the salary, even after conviction! Are the public unions in WI anywhere near as bad as the politicians in Bell, CA? I really doubt it. But, that is the conservative (Koch brothers) way. Find the absolute worst example, and pin the accusation on everybody.

Now. Can you be educated?

The political power battle is the same as the labor/boss power battle. Unions equalize the situation. The Koch brothers are actively providing money to one side, and unions have just as much right to provide money to the other side if they want.

Basically, denying the right to unionize is denying the right to assemble, to speak, and to petition a government for redress of grievances. I could throw in freedom of the press, but that is a stretch I suppose. 

Serious question. Why did you pay more?
Really. I want to know.
Do you think that maybe you are the exception, not the rule?
Often, it is a legitimate way to keep the unions at bay. Or, it could be because better pay = better morale = better production. I wish all employers thought that way. Unfortunately, they don’t. Ask Wal-Mart, the largest private employer in the US (also with stores in China and the rest of the world.)

You tell ‘em, meat bag!

yes. Tea Party are the do-gooders who want to drag us back to the good old 1780s.
Bush II was the ultimate do-gooder.

Another fool believes Stalin and Mao were what they said they were. Talk about GULLIBLE!

Now go away before I taunt you a second time.

Is that a Monty Python reference?
Did you know this? The goal of communism is to eliminate all government. If you didn’t know that, you know nothing, I say again NOTHING about communism!!!!

Let me throw in a few more exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m gonna post the full thing separately. Start a new set of comments with it.

When you talk about entitlements, you are talking about the Bush Tax Cuts…right?  Because that is the only entitlements I see.  All the rest of the “entitlements” are paid into it by the working populace, nothing is given to us.  This money is taken from our paychecks and are to be in invested for OUR future, whether they spend it or not, it is not “given to us”, but when you cut taxes, nothing is taken in, it is just given away!  Big difference!

At least he was in Vietnam, and fought a real enemy.  Anyone who served his country in a war zone should be commended.  But then again, those swift boaters didn’t bother to tell us that we had an actual faux solider…Bush.  He was stationed stateside, thanks to his Daddy. 

The only time Bush was actually on any type of military mission was during the Iraq invasion, and that was to say “Mission Accomplished”, and yet it took another President to bring down the real terrorist! 

The real communism.

I know you “experts” think you already know all you need to about communism, but you obviously don’t. You seem to think that just by knowing the truth about it and being a liberal, I must “practice” it, as though it is the dark side of the force and I am a Sith Apprentice. 

Nah. I’m building straw men. You are just to lazy to find out for yourselves. You take the word of fanatics and assume that those who disagree with you are the real fanatics.

So, here is your lesson on the theory of communism. The goal of communism is to eliminate all government  by removing the need for government.

In the perfect world that Marx envisioned, libertarians would be heroes. There would be NO LAWS, NO STATES, NO COURTS, JUDGES, POLICE, none of that. Especially NO WARS and of course no need for military of any kind.

Only happy people doing what tthey want to do with no worries about paying for food, clothing or shelter. This assumes, correctly, that people will want to build shelter so they don’t die of exposure and prepare food so they won’t starve. Those who cannot do for themselves need not worry, because the COMMUNITY would take care of them. (You see the root word connection, right?) “From each according to his ability to each according to his needs.” That is how communism is supposed to work, so why doesn’t it?

Look at a good old-fashioned barn building. A bunch of friends and neighbors get together and build a barn. Many hands make easy work, and some have skills that others don’t. The men build and the womenfolk provide the food. No one gets paid or expects it. My dad’s barn got built that way before I was born. The differences is, when that barn was built, it was his property, not the community’s. He helped others do the same for their barns.

If everybody did everything that way, and nobody said, “That is MY barn,” then communism would work–in theory. But, would that get the Empire State building built? Nope. That is the first flaw in the theory, but let’s move on.

What did Marx see that made him not like capitalism?  He saw the early stages of the industrial age in GERMANY.  He saw entire families, including children, working in dirty, dangerous factories for 12 hours a day and seven days a week for wages that barely allowed them to survive, and the strain caused early deaths. Marx blamed capitalism and decided the greedy factory owners were stealing the “surplus” production of the workers. This stolen money was the PROFIT. Taking a Profit is evil because it really belongs to the workers. (His idea, not mine.) ((Taking taxes is like taking profits? It is government stealing from labor?))

Ah ha! Says Marx. All human suffering is caused by greed! Capitalism is just one aspect of greed, but it is also the easiest to attack! Just take away the factory and the profits from the owner and give it to the workers! They will still work, but under more humane conditions and with a fair share of the profits, they can have only the father work only five days a week and all that other communist UNION stuff!

“Workers of the world unite, and throw off your chains!” Want to see that in Russian? Marx didn’t speak Russian as far as I know and never dreamed it would “take” in Russia. Marx was German, and he “invented” communism in Germany, but Germany expelled him. So he went to France and when France Expelled him, he went to England. He died in London. He didn’t consider Russia because Russia was not industrialized (yet).

How did communism take hold in Russia? The Germans snuck Lenin (means iron) into Russia to forment revolution and thus take Russia out of WW I. It worked and freed up Germans on the Eastern Front so they could go to the Western Front.

Where is the cruelty and the killing? Well, removing greed is harder than just confiscating property and asking people to share equally. You have to train and train and retrain to remove all of the natural greed (also works for gayness and other evils) our of men. Marx would insist on that, but Lenin and his successor Stalin (means steel) didn’t have time for that,  and die-hard capitalists probably couldn’t be retrained anyway, so make them die hard.  Call it Lenin’s Shortcut, but Lenin used it “sparingly.” That is why we think of Stalin when we think of mass slaughter in the name of communism. Even Mao didn’t do that. But that is another story.

Aside from Lenin’s impatience and Stalin’s paranoia, communism wouldn’t be that bad (sarcasm here), but it is still impractical because capitalism is natural and cannot be trained away. Capitalism provides INCENTIVE like nothing else can, and once any man has dictatorial power, he just won’t let it go! (Especially after he has killed a few people.) 

In summary, communism looked like a good and benevolent idea to Marx, but it just could not work because it expected the impossible. Utopia is impossible.

The funny part is Philips was correct. It was intended that only male landowners should vote. That prevented voter fraud and the voter did have “skin in the game.” (Note that it wasn’t necessarily racist. A free black man could own land.)

Who is this Saul Alinsky you speak of? Never, ever heard of him but from you guys and Glenn Beck. As far as I am concerned, he is a figment of your imagination.

Who is this Saul Alinsky you speak of? Never, ever heard of him but from you guys and Glenn Beck. As far as I am concerned, he is a figment of your imagination.

Straw man! We do not despise anyone but Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.

OOps! Forgot Dick(less) Cheney.

Bush, we only regret.

Straw man! We do not despise anyone but Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.

OOps! Forgot Dick(less) Cheney.

Bush, we only regret.

You really understand the strategy.

You really understand the strategy.

Actually, they were. I call Mao the real Last Emperor.
Kings and Emperors are right wing, right?

Nope. A communist. See my explanation of communism. One thing for sure, he did not do mass murder.

@DavidJKramer:disqus So Michelle Bachmann is a STATIST? Take power from the individual and give it to the church/state? 

So “national” is different than “American” or “patriot”?

Typical bagger – make shit up and call it the truth.  He probably learned form the best liar of all – Sarah Palin who couldn’t even tell the truth about the birth of Trig!

Great logical flow. I fully agree with your support of unions in the private sector, but respectfully suggest that maybe a teacher’s union might be limited to a formalized lobbying group, without the right to strike. I do agree with FDR and Reagan that no government employee can be allowed to strike because every government job should be essential. If it is not essential to life, limb, and security, the private sector could do it better.
Teachers can have legitimate grievances,  and freedom of speech during their time off.

I worked for the federal government (civilian)  when they transitioned from pension retirement to a 401K type system.  This was early 90′s, I believe.  The concept that states are so far behind the federal government is a bit insane.   As to employees, anyone with complete job security has NO reason to work productively, and is the reason capitalism thrives while communism fails.   In addition, there’s no incentive to be efficient in this system. States should simply adopt a similar process as civilian federal employees have.  More job protection, but not to an insane level.   Matching 401K as the private sector, but with limited investment choices (and safer) like the federal TSP.  This should have happened 20 years ago, better late than never.   www.tsp.gov

Reality is that you can’t have pensions anymore, and everyone has to pay part of medical because it costs so much more now.  That’s reality.   Government employees are not immune to reality, even if they want to.   If you don’t like your public sector job, then when the recession ends, change to the private sector.   You’ll like the greater efficiency but will learn the real world as well.   

i think the writing was clearly of the ‘boilerplate’ variety.   fake writers need to realize formal writing is for internal memos, not for blog posts, etc.   I know I’m assuming, but it’s just so college paper-esque to me…  

To ex-patriot below:
I’m not pretending anything, I judge these redistributive clowns (progressives/liberals/democrats) at their word and on their policies. I could call myself the free-market business party but if I forcibly take your wealth and give it to others I’m still a socialist (or worse). A rose by any other…………

Thanks for the strawman arguement btw I do not equate socialism an social programs. That observation is something you made up in your own very confused mind.

THEY ARE TAX PAYERS!  And guess what, the people of Wisconsin will have their say today. Don’t like unions? Maybe you shouldn’t take vacations, maybe you shouldn’t take weekends off, maybe you’d like to have a 12 hour FORCED workday for pennies.  UNIONS brought this about.  We do away with unions, corporations, who already have a disgusting stranglehold on this country (thank you supreme court and Koch Brothers) we go back to those days. so forgive me if I don’t swallow your Tea Party line.

This person’s mother took a job based on promises.  Cops? Firemen? Teachers? They get paid crap b/c of the benefits. That’s what they sign on for.  And your logic about “welfare” is absoulely idiotic.   You act as if public employees don’t pay taxes.  What planet do you live on.  

Hey Devils_Pawn this is pure ignorance, do people really fall for this subterfuge? Really? Jesus, no wonder there are so many liberals. Hey folks, here is a future Ivy league history teacher.

just kidding

You are an offensive twit. The pig in your picture tells it all.

A prime example of what John Kerry was talking about.  This guy is too stupid to be taken seriously.

If you are so damn valuable then go get a private job that pays a higher wage.
I’m sure there are private companies just waiting in line for someone of your value and skill.
Don’t worry about us.
Somehow we will get by without you.
We only want what’s best for you.

You don’t even have to take away the unions for this to happen anymore. Just look to the trucking industry. The few union lines left have given back what they gained over the last 20 years already to keep those lines in Business. Was the unions the cause? Nope, the companies management and fuel prices. The non union lines have even done worse. Ofcourse you now have others that fill in the blanks. Those being non union and telling their employees, see what unions did. we must stay non-union and you must work even harder. bullshit, if and when corporate wants unions gone, they just rename and start again. I watched consolidated freightways start a non-union company right next door to it’s parent company and the unions did not get in. Guess which one got invested in and which one is out of business. It’s all union busting to put the thumb on employees.

But, those union guys remaining have taken cuts in pay, changed retirement plans and work those 12 hours days now. Mainly through the management saying, we can’t hire and we have to force you guys to stay a couple hours over. The companies themselves thru mis-management ran the company down. Fed-Ex will not hire their employees, they use a loop hole as contractors. They hire just what they have to and the rest are like day job employees. Ofcourse they make a fair wage, with no benefits. Nothing like the Union guy at UPS who btw is a very successful company thats been union for a long time. Maybe Fed-EX rather pocket it? for their gain, while UPS expands company and employees. it’s all about control.

Unions can exist with Government for one reason. When you strike a Government, you save the taxpayer money during the strike, although you piss off the voter. Government can hold out longer than a Government employee. The loser here is the employee, so if they strike for a silly reason other than cost of living etc, they lose. When you strike a private company everyone hurts. Unions main purpose is to have recourse through senseless firings. If it overreaches with silly demands, it lost sight on reason. Just be sure you know which it is and what the reasoning is behind it. The Members vote for the strike, not the Union boss.

also works for gayness and other evils

You just couldn’t resist could you..lmao..

Can you now show theory of relativity on socialism please, for the left side.

Google an Article by Kimberly Strassel of the Wall Street Journal… “Union Power for thee, but not for me.” 2/26/11 Is the best objective article on the subject of Public Unions. The Union may be in a procedurally improper position, even Un-Constitutional. But, admittedly. the Union did protect the interest’s of the employees. Hence the conflict: The State claims the Union is too powerful. The Union claims the State will abuse them by offering low wages? A “Neutral Principle conundrum if there was one?
The people of Wisconsin don’t want to rip off their neighbors who work the State. Yet they don;t want to overpay wages and benefits. You’d think the State Legislature could figure this one out? Maybe wages that coincide with private employee and Union wages? Duh! LOL That is what NP should do, demand both sides recognize reality, and then move on from that premise.
Anyway, maybe you are seeing NP as a process, a procedural process that is fairly and equally applied to all parties to guarantee equal protection and fair results. Unfortunately, sometimes, “your Ox, gets gored,” or, seems to be. Ouch!
Another legal concept is: “procedural due process.” Meaning, your hearing or trial was fair and just. “Substantive due process” pertains to the outcome and the issue itself. occasionally, they are one in the same. But that is what Unions fear is the loss or “procedural due process.” The strength in numbers and potential strike is viewed as keeping the Company and Courts honest. (notice, Company and Courts go together?) LOL

LANE1

I wrote a thesis and have been adding to it over the years called: “Economic Treason.” Such is NOT intended to be codified law, (maybe) rather a combination of free enterprise and Nationalism. Economic Treason can be committed by Corporations and businesses, also, workers and Unions can do the same.
Economic Treason defined: An act or behavior committed by a person or groups, that has negative or detrimental effects on the nation, both economic and security, (military) etc.
In WWII, “Rosie the Riveter” and company, received a fair and proper wage, yet, worked tirelessly for their Nation’s well being and survival. I don’t think it is unreasonable to see the American worker become Rosie the Riveter again. However, We need to keep the Designs, engineering and jobs, both blue and white collar here, in America! The Conservatives desire free enterprise, then we must eliminate internal price controls and subsidies and watch imports vigilantly.
Eventually agriculture and manufacturing will find a proper balance or level. Thank you, for your comments. “The truth is out there”

Phillips’ warning: 

 I will tell you ladies and gentlemen, I detest and despise everything the left stands for. How anybody can endorse and embrace an ideology that has killed a billion people in the last century is beyond me.

Don’t you just love the far right historical revisionism? I can agree that Democrats lead the way toward American “empire” during the last century, but the Republicans/conservatives have done more than their fair share of killing as well. In fact, there is and has been tremendous bipartisanship in foreign policy over the last 65 years. That ended with Dubya’s illegal and unnecessary war against Iraq.

I could work with any Tea Party individual to work toward an isolationist American foreign policy that our framers were hoping for. Beck was right, we are becoming less of a Republic and more of an Empire.  Beck, the Tea Party’s “professor,” is just way too ignorant to understand that Obama did not begin this transition toward American “empire,” i.e., world, hegemonic domination.

“public employees are not taxpayers. They are tax takers.”

You’re high.

“public employees are not taxpayers. They are tax takers.”

You’re high.

LOL!
At least someone here understood my reference.
I was on a hyperbole binge yesterday.
Judson Phillips’ madness brought it out in me.
Bender Gonzales laughs at Judson Phillips.

Correct. I couldn’t resist. It is true, though, that Marx thought all “deviations” could be trained away, given enough time.

Here’s that idea taken to extreme by a leading Soviet “scientist” around 1930. He decided that if you cut off the tails of rats for several generations, all decedents of those rats would be born without tails. this became part of the scientific dogma of the Soviet Union. They didn’t, as far as I know, present their own theory of relativity.
 
My point, of course, was to show how communism came to be the exact opposite of what Marx intended it to be, and that confuses the discussion on what is left, right, or center. Maybe we need a whole new scale of Statist on one end, and libertarina on the other end. That would make more sense than left or right, wouldn’t it?

It was extremely naive of Marx to think that his theory could be put into practice. It was the equivalent to giving the atomic bomb to a terrorist and hoping he would use it for peace.

You write as though teacher are nothing but parasites.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
They are highly educated and their work is hard. The hours are longer than you think, and they even had to put up with total idiots like you!

Blind ignorance. You don’t deserve a polite rebuttal.

How many hours did public school teachers work today….?
I worked ten.

Well, if only if had been a billion and ONE, we wouldn’t have to be reading this guys BS right now.

When your single brain cell reproduces, do let us know.