Who else question a proven methodology? They are only proving their dumbness by denying the facts.

Who cares let them watch what they want and be as informed as they want.

What a great un-useful, stupid, idiotic story, Great job reporting this one. I wonder now, where could we go to get useful, honest, un-biased news, MSNBC?

Fox is number one for a reason. because they actually( on their news programs), report NEWS. And the problem with the left is, they don;t have a clue what real news is, they get thiers from The State Run Media outlets.

Like I said, do we really need a poll to prove Fox News viewers aren’t the cream of the crop?

Bill O’Reilly: “Tides go in, Tides go out.  Nobody can explain that”

Yeah, Bill.  No one can explain that (except for the entire 5th grade class of every grade school across this country).

… or as ill-informed as they want.

The State Run Media Outlets …. Rich, I say: “Rich!” Let me hazard a guess: You’ve been watching FOX “News” for years. Rich, again, I say: “Rich!”.

skyfet excited this week as he starts his new business venture as the village waspkeeper.

As Mr. Fet told the local paper : ” Cannot wait to start collecting honey from the little jokers !”

Robert unaware that he can block Fox from his channel lineup and then he will be safe from accidentally viewing the truth.

When one considers how often Politifact, the independent fact checking site, has called out Fox News for spreading misinformation — even garnering the Lie of the Year Award two years in a row! — the results of this survey are not surprising in the least.

As Jon Stewart found out recently:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-21-2011/fox-news-false-statements

I only watch the Al Sharpton News Program to find out what’s happening in the world.

At this point, it seems that the source of trouble in the world can be traced directly to the white devil conservatives.

Are you sure? Even 5th grade classrooms in Alabama?

First, any post illuminating the polling process is always a good thing, so kudos on at least providing some insight  However, the biggest problem in polls are the questions themselves. For example, the poll itself actually asked a subjective questions, such as was the middle east uprising in egypt successful?  In truth, that’s a TERRIBLE polling questions if you’re seeking to evaluate a correct answer.  Is it successful?  That’s subjective.  Proper question is “Did the uprising overthrow the Mubarek regime?”  The second is a question of knowledge.  The polling questions were not done correctly.  In fact, I  would expect higher research standards from a graduate student paper, let alone a result I want to publish.  

As you should know, polling comes down to a few basics; Questions have to be VERY precise.  Second, polling question order matters.  Third, the methodology to weight is key.   New Jersey is a pretty lousy state to use to gain insight nationally, so I doubt the weighting would be successful, to much predictive modeling needed to extrapolate results with any confidence.   

Truth is, anyone using such a flawed poll isn’t seeking to gain insight, but using the poll to persuade.     

For the political folks, I’d suggest reading a market research such as  by Prof. VK Kumar 

 http://www.amazon.com/Marketing-Research-David-Aaker/dp/0470317256/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1321972068&sr=8-1-spell

frances martel is the right winger on this site
she is ALWAYS wrong and does the worst articles

I do not see why this poll was necessary because it simply confirms what anyone with half a brain already knew. My only objections is why are all the woman on FAUX News blondes. My wife is a blonde and she objects to these dimbulbs reinforcing blonde stereotypes.

quite the opposite, those of us who deal with market research would fire the polling firm that used poor questions like the one referenced.  Question wording is normally a very careful and tedious process because in market research, we are seeking the truth of customer behavior, not what we want to hear.  Clearly, the referenced poll was very poorly done.  

Good thing in academics, they are tenured.   

Do you happen to know a guy called Rassmussen?

Must have touched a nerve, Eddie? How will your folks feel about you being embarrassed by your name?

Oh, it’s the Left’s fault because we “don’t know what the news is”.

I see.

So, let me get this straight. Because the Left can’t identify what “real news” is, that somehow has an impact on the intellect of the average Fox News viewer?  Can you provide the direct correlation for me, cause damn it, I just can’t see it.

Math has a Librul bias!

Good one, skyfet. Yes, touched a nerve. Never heard that before.

You have 200 wasps, I hear. Have you named them all yet ?

Better get it done before rollcall tomorrow.

It’s based on nonsense. First, the conclusion is drawn based on 4 questions. That’s just stupid, especially when one of them is whether the Occupod is Republican or Democrat. I’ve been told right here that they’re neither. Another is whether the protestors in Egypt have brought down the regime. Farleigh Dickenson seems to think, like NPR listeners, that the answer is yes. I hate to break this to you but they’re still living under a military dictatorship. Mubarak may be out, but his regime is still in charge.

Isn’t he the guy who has the outlier poll always showing the Republican candidates well ahead until about 72 hours prior to the election when, all of the sudden, his poll looks remarkably like every other poll? The one trumpeted by all rightists?

Ow stop antagonizing the dummies, they’re not open-minded enough to accept your methodology shmothology.

Pieces like this can only serve to make them cling to this pollution channel even more. The president neglected to mention Fox News as one of the things bitter clingers cling to their guns, religion and bacon

Just tell them they’re alright, they’re smart, informed and their side is where intellect finds refuge

You have to admit his blueberry pie ad is epic.

What?

This guy sounds like he doesn’t like the poll cause he/she is embarrassed by its result. The first thought that came to my mind is that he might be an associate of Rass.

Tell us all why you are ashamed of your background? Did you discovered civilization and then decided to abandon your heritage?

But the sample size is beyond question.

What’s the sample size of Fox viewers? And how does one determin what a Fox viewer is? Apparently, this question: “Americans now have more ways than ever before to get their news about politics and world affairs. I’m going to read you a list of news sources. As I read the list, just say “yes” if you got news from that source anytime in the past week.”

I’m a “yes” to 11 of the listed items. How many people answered Fox and only Fox? We’re not told.

Closed minded enough to not believe in Climate change, a proven phenomenon - but open minded enough to believe in an imaginary man in the sky.

I love it.

I notice they didn’t ask anything about Solyndra or Fast and Furious or the CLASS Act or the debt ceiling, etc.

Two stories about a bogus poll;no stories about Solyndra, John Corzine, or Hugh Grant announcing that reporters not from Murdoch’s empire, hacked into his phone system.

Lets talk about the uninformed…..you got em right here; the media spikes more stories than it reports in order to protect the one.

Politifact is the St. Pete Times. They’re as independent as the New York Times. Further, of the two Lie of the Year Awards, neither mentions Fox at all (Virginia Foxx excepted).

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/dec/16/lie-year-government-takeover-health-care/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/dec/18/politifact-lie-year-death-panels/

Furthermore, Politifact seems to think they’re supposed to tell the Lie of the Year instead of finding it.

This is why getting your news from Comedy Central makes you stupid, Mr. Staunch Former Republican.

Philip half of these people who post on this site have no interest in the science of polling methodolgy. Many do not believe in science, to them science is just liberal propoganda.

skyfet !  You sound like the president joker.

You set up a strawman/false premise, and then go with that.

Are you Barack Obama?  That explains your comprehension, grammar and syntax !

When’s the next vacation, Barry?

So are the interviews with the OWS’ers that can’t name the speaker of the house, attorney general or have any idea who Jay Carney is representative of all liberals in politics? 

You’ll have to pry my cold dead hands from my bacon.

Is your Conservative Victimization Syndrome always worse in the morning, or is this a really bad day?

Not all science. Just science with data skewed to represent the ideology of the scientists. 

If Sharpton has any advertisers at all, I would assume they are fencing stolen merch.

So, hot pies, huh?

Give me a break. If you substituted “MSNBC” for “Fox News” in the headline, you’d be posting here about the superior methodology and would have absolutely no criticism whatsoever of the sample composition.

Perfect Irony. You have four lines and they all have wrong grammar, syntax, misuse of exclamation mark and generally poor.

1st line is missing some caps.
2nd line has wretched grammar ingrained in it.
3rd wrong use of exclamation mark.
4th When’s (come on, seriously?) You’ve got to be kidding me.

Now go and feel more embarrassed, just like you are with your name, Eddie!

To watch conservatives try to debunk this scientific poll is like watching a monkey f*ck a football. 

Quite entertaining…  The anti-science crowd trying to be all scientific and such.

I think you are assuming intentions on the polling questions and then calling them bad. Plus unless you actually can go over the results econometrically and find issues with weights, you are attributing your “guesses” to improper polling methods. You have a well thought out response but are approaching the results with “feelings” rather than statistics.

If OWS was a political movement you’d have a point. However, it’s not, it’s a social movement.

“On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen
heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today — our sense
of patriotism is particularly strong.”  – President Obama

do we really need to play the stupid quotes game?

not a lot of comments here…..the usual cast of rightwing dumbasses that frequent this site are not touching this subject…..it proves one thing…..the freaks that post bullshit here are not smart enuff to defend their ignorance,,,,conservaturds in genaral, FIXED NOISEBOTS in particular are the dumbest people in the country….their anti- intellectalism has gone too far….none of your candidates will beat Obama….NONE OF THEM !!!!….The mainstream republicans are sending you a message…..GTFO of our party….youre making us look bad…..we used you in 2010 but now ITS OVER……hahahahahaha

isn’t this the same bump guy that said weiner’s wiener pic was photoshopped?

Don’t know.  My recall ability concerning men’s penis sizes and all things associated isn’t all that good.  But glad to see yours is!

*LOL* You actually expect us to believe some campaign hack like you, Philip Dump?

The problem isn’t with the 612 sample size. The problem is that the various groups intersect and their margins of error when compared to each other are absurdly large and erratic. You can’t compare the answers of 110 to 453 people with any confidence, especially when the likelihood of people being in both those groups is extremely high.

The other problem is that they couldn’t even evaluate their own questions properly. They concluded that Egyptians overthrew their government. Mubarak left power and his top general is running the country and has upheld the suspension of elections. They didn’t overthrow their government, they made it even more oppressive than it was before!

*LOL* This isn’t science, shit-for-brains. It’s statistics, very hacky statistics at that. Get a clue.

How many of those people know about Corzine and MF Global?How many would know about MF Global period if it wasn’t for Fox news?Why don’t you idiots at this site ever post the TV ratings for cable news programs?Because Fox beats everones ass at every time slot.

Yeah, and not a very smart social movement. The fucking morons were protesting in front of a building in DC where David Koch was holding a conference and he walked out the front door right through the crowd! Instead, they harassed people (and children) who were walking by and jumped in front of moving cars in pathetic attempts to try to become martyrs.

How many of those people know about Corzine and MF Global?How many would know about MF Global period if it wasn’t for Fox news?Why don’t you idiots at this site ever post the TV ratings for cable news programs?Because Fox beats everones ass at every time slot.

Your points are true, until the end.

Mediaite *CONSISTENTLY* posts cable news program ratings. Aside from all their Progressive propaganda, posting cable news program ratings is one of the only facts you can actually find here. Just do a search.

Frances is actually very good.  She is clearly liberal, but actually tries to look at a topic with fairness.  You can be both open-minded and liberal.  Yes, even though MSNBC tries to disprove this notion on a nightly basis. 

hen did Fox News reports about Egypt get it wrong so viewers ended up misinformed?? I mean it is true that if you have the most viewers there is a good chance you will have more “uninformed” Viewers. I mean if there are only two people ourt there who watch MSNBC all the time and they are smarter then the average bear that would mean MSNBC has the most informed viewers but Fox who has the 3 point whatever viewers will have more goofs on thier side. Just the law of averages.

Again I just want want to know when Fox News lied an declared that the Egyptians did NOT overthrow the govt.

Yeah, I’m more than down to play this game.  See, the difference is, one is a verbal gaffe that we are all guilty of and the other is just plain ignorance and stupidity. 

How can a grown man, supposedly Harvard educated, go on live television and declare NO ONE can explain how low tide/high tide works, WHEN it’s been clearly documented that the moon’s gravitation pull is the cause.  Does Galilelo ring a bell?

So, looks like it’s your turn.

A few things.

Polling people on who the GOP frontrunner is in a poll is stupid.

As per the polling sample size, consider that the claim that Fox makes people stupid is based on 64 people’s response.  Stewart’s show had 18 people, odd since Stewart’s viewership is much larger then that (and rightly so, he’s got a great show).  No matter the proportions stating that Fox makes you stupid based on what 64 people respond seems weak.

The protests in Egypt are on going and rather violent so no, I wouldn’t say that they were successful.  “Security forces fought Monday with several thousand protesters in Tahrir Square in the third straight day of violence over demands that the military set a date for turning power over to civilians.” – cut and paste from USA this morning.

I’m not saying they’re smart…  just saying it was a social movement.  I don’t have an opinion of the OWS crowd or the movement because I’m way down here in Virginia where their actions have zero effect on my life.

And you are aware that statistical analysis falls under the category of science, right?  Now, you were saying something about a clue?

of course you focused on the dick…

Ouch.  trying to parse your post hurts my feeble little brain. I sure wish I was more itellestalism like you.

No, I studied market research, which is mostly science, partly an ‘art’.   The questions wording is really key.  As to the methodology, Rasmussen predicted the Brown victory in Mass when so many were wrong.  I wouldn’t discount Rasmussen, and typically Rasmussen only polls ‘likely’ voters, which makes more sense.

When you seek polling insight, I suggest looking at the question wording first.  You don’t know what the methodology is used by firms to make a sample represent the ‘whole’, but you can quickly see if the wording is vague, or subjective, or in an order that seems odd.    

Problem is NOBODY but FOX gives a damn about MF Global….did they receive government money????….are they a government enity???….NOPE …only reason dumbasses like you mention it is because a former dem governor ran the place….you sir like Billo The Clown equates high ratings with credibility….only thing the ratings  prove is that all you uneducated dumbass FOXFOOLS hang out together…..the truth is hard for you to accept….thats why you watch FOX….they never tell you anything that gonna hurt ya feelings……like the repuke party has a 0% chance of beating Obama in 2012

Funny you call it science when it completely ignores the scientific method. Statistical analysis is a mathematical “discipline”, not science. Statistics analyze probability, sciences analyze hypotheses.

Again, get a clue.

fox is #1 because people watch it.

winners come out of American Idol because “America Voted”

Maroon 5 won another music award.

don’t confuse what people watch with the quality contained therein.  CBS shows frequently get top honors via Nielsen due to old farts watching laugh track comedies and procedural shows.

Next you are going to tell me that John Grisham, Dan Brown and Stephanie Meyer are amazing authors because they sold a lot of books…

And, may I remind you what the FNC “news” programming is vs the “opinion” programming?

You mean the dim-bulbs blondes with Doctorates and Law degrees on Fox?

Does your wife have either of these.

What’s Contessa Brewer’s education level?

Well, yeah. Why wouldn’t I?

You have to be read into liberal false premises before you know the “correct” answers to the questions…

I honestly have not even read the poll or its results. I’m just having some fun here….    

No one is disputing that the temperature of the earth has increased over the last 20 years…what is in dispute is the premise that the phenomenon is man-made.

Why cant you liberals understand that simple difference?

I love it.

Exactly.

I took a grad. course that was based in methodology. Ideally, you don’t want an open-ended question or so many choices. Perhaps another question asked could’ve been a follow-up to these questions after the question was asked about their source of news. It’s called a Likert scale and it measures the disagree to agree status of a relationship. This would represent a way to get actual correlation.

Plus, these are local responses for the state of NJ. I give the study credit for it being a random sampling, but I would like to see the location breakdown by county. At best,this is a NJ state survey of results but it’s laughable to think that these results are regional and national in scope.

Too many poorly worded sentences in the questions to move forward with such a questionnaire.

Nice dodge…

No dummy, the analysis aspect of statistics is the “science”, -  which I carefully included in my original post. Do you really want to play this game?  

PS: I do statistical analysis for a living.

your mouth is watering ain’t it?

Correct. The first question alone offers a bias in the statement.

“Americans now have more ways than ever before to get their news about politics and world affairs.”

Proper questioning would verify that the survey participant agreed with this statement.

“As I read the list, just say “yes” if you got news from that source any time in the past week.”

This is snapshot analysis. So at best, the polling can only be used for that particular surveying period in question and can’t be applied to a more general time period.

That’s one question stem alone. Just poor all around.

Question:  Yes or No….whas the arab spring in Egypt a success?

What the hell is that supposed to mean?   We dont know if it is….Obama says it is, but if the Muslim brotherhood takes over or the military maintains control, hardcore sharia law is implimented and Al-Queda starts to recieve state sponership…..then it really wouldn’t be a success then..would it.

As stated before…an objective question would be”Was Mubarek overthrown?”

Right. Fox News did absolutely nothing to promote the line about death panels. Or that health care reform was a “government takeover.” Their star paid hacks never pushed the meme or promoted it relentlessly, to the point of popularizing the phrases.

I think there’s some Florida swampland with your name on it if you’re willing to buy any of that.

Methodology and science are not the same thing. Especially in statistics. This is why survey instruments are important.

It wouldn’t hurt for you to take a graduate course in Test & Measurement before you begin exposing your wisdom.. It would strengthen your arguement in some areas if you understood group size instead of your subjective experience.  The error is most likely not sample size, but in the design of what is asked. The poll shows no evidence that knowledge of Syria, Egypt, and the protests is indicative of other public knowledge.. or of being informed.. it only proves that certain news sources did a better job of educating on those issues. It maybe that another poll using different news stories would result in other news sources being weak…This poll also does not define “getting news” clearly.. For example, if someone watches Fox news because of the financial slant, then they may score poorly…but in truth be very smart. It is a flawed poll in that it really tells us very little.

No, it doesn’t. It’s the one form of research that isn’t skewed by partisan analysis.

If it is, you have skewed data genius.

You have no idea what you’re talking about, do you? Never? Watch FOX “News” much?

Okay, then you should know more than anyone that you’re not a scientist!

And if you think you are, you’re pathetically deluding yourself.

The people I really feel sorry for are the folks over at the Koldy’s PHOX Phan Klub, for whom this news must be truly devastating. After all of this time, all of cyberspace wasted trashing the Newshounds, it turns out they are right and the Klub is wrong. That must feel dreadful. A real gut chuck. Must feel like the Rev. Mr. Camper followers.

Frances and Alex are my faves. They can be more objective and Alex tends to error on the side of comedic value more so than others. It’s a nice blend.

I think Floridians call one of these swamps The Everglades.

Have you not seen the southern based shows on TV where they are alligator trapping and so on in swamps?

Feelings, that’s kind of funny.   Simple  question wording issues.  The predictive methodology I don’t know and may very well be proprietary.    

Market research is the ‘opposite’ of feelings.  You really are just trying to determine consumer behavior and predict it.  For example, pricing, coupons, even coupon distribution is all based on intensive market research.  If you don’t ask the right quesitons, the results are meaningless. 

Finally! Someone from Mediatite is setting Frances Martel straight. She’s the only writer on this site who is consistently guilty of writing conservative tripe, and almost nothing else. Before any commenters accuse me of hypocrisy, I know of certain other writers who consistently express a liberal bias, (cough, Tommy Christopher, cough). I don’t support any form of bias from either side of the political spectrum. Anyway, i think we all know where Ms. Martel would like to work in the future. 

Watching fox doesn’t make you stupid. The fact is that on the whole stupid people watch fox because they get the so called news presented in a way that reenforces their right wing belief that all of this countries problems are caused by illegal immigrants and poor lazy people who just happen to often be people of color. I like to watch because I find it entertaining. The world through the eyes of the the head cheerleader and the captain of the football team who wonder why everybody can’t be as pretty as they are.

OMG yes.

I think any fair-minded individual would have issues with the wording of the question.

It’s a basic amateur questionnaire that is ineffective and wrong in its assessment. You can’t take a local question and make it global.

Tony, I’m going to go out on a limb and assume you didn’t go to college. 

If you did, you’d know that science is a very broad category covering more than just biology and chemistry.

Anyway, Tony.  Have a lovely day watching Fox News.

The Holiday season is upon us, so I will excuse your lack of comprehension to what I actually stated.
btw-Have a nice Thanksgiving.

Well educate yourself on the topic a bit before you continue to make yourself look like a fool in the name of having fun….

“No one is disputing that the temperature of the earth has increased over the last 20 years…what is in dispute is the premise that the phenomenon is man-made.”

WRONG…  

From Pew Research

53% – Majority of Republicans No Longer See Evidence of Global Warming

http://pewresearch.org/databank/dailynumber/?NumberID=1126

And among TEA PARTY members, 70% believe the earth isn’t getting warmer.

You are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

Did I say you were wrong yet?

I love it.

Yeah.,.he’s a good example of the informed, mature, educated news viewer that the FOX audience is not….

If my sister had nuts she would be my brother. Is that really the logic you want to use about Arab Spring.
btw- Have a nice Thanksgiving

Your statement was pretty juvenile.

Thanksgiving is a boring holiday. :) But Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

FOX didn’t declare it a success.  The difference here is when Mubarek was overthrown, FOX did not declare it a success because the whole thing is still pretty much up in the air which way Egypt will go.

If you watched any of the other news broadcasts, the were creaming their shorts over this, talking about how this was a huge victory for human rights, democracy…blah blah blah.   Just like the Ayatolla’s revolution was in Iran….remember?

Like I said, you have to agree with teh liberal false premise first before you can answer the question correctly.

Robert all snippy today. On Tuesdays, he wanders the streets of Austin as Cora Bee Jamison, a Minnie Pearl lookalike with a bad attitude.

You Rightcompoops are funnier than a pack of feral monkeys armed with cases of Easy Cheese. Especially Bidet, Big Petty and Paulie. Of course, this is a krap survey. It is for enjoyment. Of course, just because it is a krap survey doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Doesn’t mean it’s right, but doesn’t make it wrong. Watching Bidet hold a can up to her nostril and squeeze, Big Petty combing his hair with it and Paulie squirting it on top of his poop before he hurls it is pure comedy, however, and seems to affirm the findings of the krap survey. What a wonderful, wonderful way to ease into Thanksgiving. Many thanks to all my Rightcompoop friends.

Don’t feel sorry for themn…they pay for the roof over their head with their own money…unlike other people…

Great piece.
Very informative.

Robert makes more sense when he comments as his ProObamaAgenda character.

I don’t need a poll, faulty or not, to tell me what I already know.  

According to the latest Pew research poll, 53% of Republicans don’t believe in Climate Change. And in that same poll, 70% of Tea Partiers don’t believe in Climate Change.

This is all I need to know about Republicans.  Over half of you don’t believe in Climate Change despite the overwhelming evidence obtained through years of empirical research proving it’s real.

But, on the other hand, with zero proof of existence, you think there’s an omnipotent, imaginary man in the sky controlling all of our destinies. 

Cry Baggers Cry!

O I see.
Law Major, Polling minor?

Can anyone translate 1940s Hipster Hairdresser Jive ?

I take you for an Easy Cheese Cheddar and Bacon man.

People who use the term Epic in their posts regularly=Epic fail.

See the whole thing with this study is that originally they were going to do the poll about PSMNBC but they couldn’t find 612 people who watched it.

let me tell you a little secret Pablo..
in most every small conservative town around America–the city is guaranteeing millions of dollars in loans–PER PROJECT-for numerous failed projects. not only that–they are selling green cards.
so companies come in -get 2-10 million dollars in a promise to create jobs-most fail. the money is funneled back to political campaigns. 
outside investors from China, Korea and elsewhere are promised green cards if they invest over $500k in the city–where part of the money is funneled into political campaigns. 
you see this in Indiana with Mitch Daniels. He even funnels millions through private Christian colleges used as diploma mills–
ALL OF THIS IS TAX PAYER MONEY..
it is not as romantic as Solyndra and it is only a few million here and a few million there–BUT IT IS IN 1000′S OF SMALL TOWNS AROUND AMERICA..
so unless you are a hypocrite and actually, honestly care about this–check out any conservative small town with over 20k people and look at their city bonds, who got the money and how many failed–you will be surprised..
just trying to help a brotha out~

Not funny–Next!

Uh,
you brought it up.

maybe you should spend more time on the books and less time on the tube and writing silly crap on the computer?
i mean if you are in law school and all…
( i have known a lot of REAL law students and they really did not have much time for foolishness)
just tryin’ to help a sista out~

Sad, but, true.

U mad Bro?

Do we really need a study to prove Fox “so-called” News viewers are ignorant and uniformed?? It would be like having a study to prove that the world was round!!

Maybe leftys arent stupid enough to watch purely partisan crap.

“In recent years, however, methodology has been increasingly used as a pretentious substitute for method in scientific and technical contexts, as in The oil company has not yet decided on a methodology for restoring the beaches. People may have taken to this practice by influence of the adjective methodological to mean “pertaining to methods.”

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/methodology#ixzz1eSHkD3k0″

hmm-ironic huh?

Polls are great when they agree with our views, but they can be meaningless as well. But this one done at a solid New Jersey university is built on a lot of commonsense. Of course, people who watch FOX regularly are going to know less than others. FOX is the most ideologically driven of all the cable channels because it’s catering to one audience and one audience only, and it’s a far right Tea Party constituency. This is not an overly educated nor politically astute group of people, and they tend to be easily led. The rest of MSM television is just middle of the  road and not much better than FOX. Yes, MSNBC, is slightly more to the left than the  others, but even though they only have about a third of FOX’s numbers, they’re making a lot of money.  Despite FOX’s  impressive numbers, most people do not watch FOX, they watch a hodgepodge of stations. If the FOX formula were so successful, there would be more imitators, but, surprisingly FOX has no imitators because it’s politics is the most highly propagandized of all the major channels. which, again, helps to explain why FOX viewers have more limited knowledge and understanding of political events. Also, despite Jersey Shore, New Jersey is one of the more politically sophisticated states. Even their Republican governor, Chris Christie is not an extreme rightwinger. He would not have been elected if he were. At any rate, it’s a fair assumption that watching FOX makes people stupid. Mediaite is also a good barometer of stupid media. A lot of bored rightwingers gravitate to Mediaite because they get challenged all the time which  is a good thing, and there is, on occasion some intelligent conservative commentary on Mediaite. But, overall, the rightwingers don’t have a clue, and that’s very sad because it’s holding up  any real progress. I would say there’s a very good chance 2012 might be a rout for the right.

My bad, I forgot you guys are of really superior intellect you just read purley partisan crap.

News Flash.  612 stupid people in Jersey found.  Another News Flash, 612 people in San Francisco say Fox lies.  Another News Flash, 612 OCW protestors say Bush is to blame for (insert problem here).    It isn’t the sample size, its how the poll is constructed.  This isn’t the first time a liberal organization has come up with a poll to insult Fox News viewers.  Poll 612 random adults in the US and ask about issues that are of more interest to conservatives than liberals (so don’t ask about Kardashian, what Michael Moore thinks, how much they support green energy over fossil fuels, how wonderful a job Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have done, etc) and the results would be quite different.

“When one considers how often Politifact, the independent fact checking site, has called out Fox News for spreading misinformation — even garnering the Lie of the Year Award two years in a row! –”

This statement is a lie. I don’t care how much you want to spin it. Your fact is objectively wrong and you continue to argue that it is the truth.

Stop lying. It’s boring.

I watch Fox because otherwise I wouldn’t know that ObaMao took more money from Wallstreet than anyone in the last 20 years.I also wouldn’t know about Solyndra, MF Global, Fast and Furious.The Flea Bagger movement to nowhere. The over three year budgetless democratic senate. And other reams of unreported news stories to protect the affirmitive action president.

@twitter-16471687:disqus  – Not that it’s relevant, but I earned a bachelor’s degree in computer SCIENCE. So I’m clearly in a better position than you to classify what constitutes science based on merit. And statistics, which is in the MATH department, is not science.

But that’s not relevant, because all that’s relevant is the facts. You’re wrong and I’m right, that’s all it really boils down to. Statistics analyze probability, sciences analyze hypotheses. Ergo, you are not a scientist. I am. Get over it. The fact that you delude yourself into thinking you’re a scientist is pathetic.

“There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”

It isn’t getting warmer right now. It has gotten warmer during the last 20 years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm

Did I mention that you’re wrong? I’m bored with it.

Rufus -

Management major. C’mon dude. :)

That’s what you’d be doing, no doubt, because you’re a knee-jerk progressive hack. But I’m not going to defend or criticize any methodology until I’ve looked at it.

Not in law school yet, champ.

I’m not a sista so I don’t need your help Mr. Obsessed.

Maybe your brother could write a decent true/false poll question and have an objectively verifiable answer to it.

So, the question that assumes they’re mainly Democrats is wrong? Imagine that.

Not the same methodology.

JCP1975 is pathetic and delusional, nobody is here to argue against that. But you need to read the poll data more closely, because you got some things wrong. The poll is actually MUCH worse than you thought it was, and show’s just how hacky and unsubstantiated the conclusions are.

The Daily Show didn’t have 18 people and Fox News didn’t have 64. Those numbers are PERCENTAGES, not counts. The question tracked which news sources you consulted within the past week. So this is hacky on two counts:

1.) it claims that a Fake News Show is a friggin’ news source, and

2.) People can respond yes to multiple sources. There’s nothing preventing someone from answer yes to *every* question and nothing prevent someone from answering no. Therefore, people can answer Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC and answer all of the questions incorrectly. Therefore, there’s absolutely no way to track the source of truthful or incorrect reporting. In addition, the sample sizes for each of these groups vary widely creating massive margins of errors, making comparing these results confidently between the intersection population groups completely impossible.

Also, the study assumes that they’re the arbiters of truth when they fucked up their own answers to questions. Take this question for instance: “To the best of your knowledge, have the opposition groups protesting in Egypt been successful in bringing down the regime there?”

The answer to this is obviously “NO”, as you know, but they said yes. Mubarak’s top general is in power and he’s blocking future elections, so saying that Mubarak’s regime collapsed is completely absurd.

So when you actually analyze this study, you find that it’s patently absurd and you can’t draw any conclusions from it. The closest you could come to a conclusion is based on the fact that the plurality of people responding where New Jersey Democrats, so you COULD say that this study just proves that NJ Democrats are misinformed. But that’s not backed up because they’re not even a majority in the study and the people who conducted the study are themselves misinformed (and hacks).

I take you for a Ring Dings and Night Train guy.

That hacky far-right media institution The New York Fucking Times found that Tea Partiers are more educated and wealthier than the average American.

I love when you self-serving douchebags stumble right out of the gate on your rants :-)

Or… you could actually read the “study” and see that it’s a complete crock of shit.

But hey whatever, you’re so informed with your borrowing of other people’s opinions instead of forming your own.

LOL  No suprise here… this is like what? , the 3rd or 4th poll that shows the results of the Fox viewers….excellent!   Again, the old joke goes without saying, Why did the Teabagger cross the road? Because Fox News told him to.

Question. What is news? Is pay for play green energy Solyndra, news? Is AG Holders corruption regarding Fast and Furious news? Yes it is. It is news that MSM won’t broadcast. Where in the MSM ,is there now being reported the close connection between Obama bundler John Corrzine and the President. Anything critical of Obama is not considered news anywhere but Fox. Well here is some more news? The MSM and Mediate don’t get to decide what is news anymore!

And why did Stylin get touched by Jerry Sandusky?

Because Joe Paterno said nothing.

well said! 

lmao!! best response all evening

“Oh, this research comes from a University, so it can’t be trusted.”

Those pesky college educated liberals and their book learnin’

Polling 612 New Jersyans is like polling 612 apes in the Congo. Ever see “Snooky” and her fellow chimps.

“TMP”

I stopped watch ABC, CBS, NBC, CNBC, MSNBC, CNN and HLN. My IQ went up 50 points. It’s now 189.
the FACT is those on the stations above ARE mentally sick. FOX has it’s problem when it comes to religion but they ARE honest about everything else. It does NOT matter if you believe that or not it is the FACTS. I have also found that those who do watch FOX ARE more informed and less brainwashed (propagandized) then those who watch those stations.

How can a grown man, supposedly Harvard educated, say technology like ATMs and airport Kiosks are major sources of unemployment.

Or…if you fill you tires to the right pressure, than we can be less reliant on foriegn Oil,

Or…the Austrian Language,

Or.. The Country of Europe…

Or..stating that he is a huge White Sox fan without being able to name one player

And so-on……

We absolutly can go pound for pound dude, because what you fail to realize is there a litterly hundreds if not a thousand Obama bonehead gaffes out there the your news sources that obviously keep you more informed, never show you.

Is the info about the “moons (sic) [should be: "moon's"] gravitational pull” discussed through grades 3 – 8 in all “57″ states?

Possessives are sometimes discussed in grades 3 – 8 too.

I love it.

I figured it would be hard for you to follow….after all you a a member of a political/social demographic that
Over-medicates, sexually assaults, and defecates on each other as a political statement….what else should I have expected?

but to your first point…..your sister does have nuts thanks to the surgery, and she plans on letting the family know this thanksgiving….enjoy.

This is straight up vintage liberal double talk at its best coming from this clown.

On one hand, he excuses what he percieves as a lack of comprehension, while failing to realize the difference between a question with a subjective versus objective answer.

The Party of stupid strikes again.

“Touched” is about the size of it.

Delusion is kinda how folks like him role.  Although they will defend the aforementioned delusion with every ounce of energy they have.

How do you figure..bro?

 What if instead of saying “Fox News” he said “people on Fox News”? I think that statement is true when you make that distinction.

When one considers how often Politifact, the independent fact checking
site, has called out people on Fox News for spreading misinformation — even
garnering the Lie of the Year Award two years in a row!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/dec/18/politifact-lie-year-death-panels/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/dec/16/lie-year-government-takeover-health-care/

See…there you go acting the fool again….first off you have no idea what anyone believes on this board so, in general liberal bonehead fashion, you try to make a point off a false premise, or at the very least, a premise you don’t know to be true or not…
 
So here’s an idea, why don’t you head down to your local OWS ralley, were you can find like-minded people…..smoke some drugs, grope some sleeping female protesters, fling some poo, then come back on here and tell me how smart you are again…
 
 
 
Oh yea…and if you think Christianity is foolish, than why is your current boy wonder in the white house a self proclaimed Christian?  Is he foolish too?

Leedog: I refer to the post by Tony Westover above:
“That hacky far-right media institution The New York Fucking Times found that Tea Partiers are more educated and wealthier than the average American.”
I think it’s probably safe to say that a lot of Tea Partiers watch Fox News. But of course they disagree with you, so how educated can they be?

http://www.petitionproject.org/review_article.php

A little global warming page for you to peruse.  Stop with the “proven phenomenon” bs, your “wrong wrong wrong” rant is puerile.  It Could be true and thus should be studied not prayed to.

the O’Rielly quote was pulled from a discussion he was having with an atheist on if God existed.  His statement in Context (that I know people just love to ignore) is referring to intelligent design.  So yeh, nice try, thanks for the caps.

ahh, thank you for clearing those numbers up Tony.  I scanned the numbers and didn’t read deep enough, was thinking that was a rather poor response amount to the survey, my mistake.  I have to say the Syria question threw me a blank, can’t say I’ve kept track of what was happening there.

So Frances is the only writer to the right and there are other writers (plural) that consistently write to the left?  So you’re stating that Mediaite is a left leaning site and you find that disgusting?

I smell bad methodology here.

How many of the 600 said Fox News was their ONLY news source?  Maybe … 1?

BTW, need to differentiate Fox News Channel, which is mostly talking heads, to Fox News, such as it is, on the broadcast channels.

I call bogus on this whole thing.  Sorry, Farleigh Dickinson.

 Making up jokes on the fly are never funny. Seriously.  If it was funny I would even give you credit.
Keep watching Fox in the meantime. lol

Don’t get mad at Frances. The facts are the facts. And this is the 3rd or 4th time Fox viewers proved their intelligence. Frances is only stating the facts. Sorry if it hurts.

LOL!! I’ll put up any Fox viewer against any OWSer any day.  Talk about uninformed or dumb!  Ever watch one of those YouTube guys with their cameras and mics questioning the OWS about why they are there or what they’re trying to prove?  Good for lots of laughs, I’ll tell ya.

And how about those “Man-on-the-Street” interviews by Jay Leno or Jesse Waters or other guys with mics.  Most people don’t even know the name of the Vice President of the US, for heaven sake.  Always good for loads of laughs and chuckles.

Interesting how Fox News has the highest ratings of any TV news network and often more than all 3 of their competitors combined.  That makes a lot of uninformed people out there, WHO VOTE!

See ya at the polls in Nov. 2012.

just to remind you  http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980800102     d’oh

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/oct/04/fox-news-inaccuracy-class-itself/    This article answers you question.

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980800102   and?

Fox News is what’s called  pseudo-journalism. Nothing more, nothing less.  Fox is news in name only.

you’re speaking to an empty room (Pablo). But I exactly know what you are talking about.

Pablo, can I tell you something.???http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980800102  d’oh

Every major network and newspaper has covered Corzine, MF Global and Solyndra, multiple times. That includes NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, New York Times, L.A. Times, Washington Post, even Huffington Post. Go and look.

Separately, popularity does not indicate quality. Just look at the most popular TV shows, movies and Top 40 singles. It’s generally the worst, lowest-common-denominator stuff that grabs the most attention.

Also, Mediaite regularly discusses ratings, and the popularity of FOX programming. You know this, yes?

How does that disprove the poll? Fox showed you which OWS interviews they wanted you to see! How could it not mean “Fox” viewers are uninformed? “Teas” don’t question what “Fox” says. When proven wrong, they launch the “Save All”,……… that’s liberal media. That makes it all go away then we’re back to fiction and duhhh!

A “tea” saying someone doesn’t know what “real news is”! A “tea”,….. really? Just because the real world doesn’t support “Fox” spin, doesn’t mean “Fox” is correct!

Yeah,… you’ve been watching “Fox” again! Half truth, spin and edit,… a little news!

Law degrees and Harvard doesn’t matter according to the “Teas”!

Before you become too proud of that spin,… look at who funds that group. Say it with me …K..O..C.. .., well you get it!

I’m sorry, Tony, but you are confused. Most experiments (involving controlled manipulation of conditions) do require a hypothesis, but observational and exploratory studies do not. For instance, observing Jupiter, demographics, etc, does not require a hypothesis. That does not make those studies unscientific.

And yes, statistics are indeed a discipline of science. And probabilities are an essential element of science, especially in quantum physics.

James O’Keefe basically uncovers how these leftists get the rigged poll results they want.
Look for Mediaite to go apoplectic tomorrow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6YsakFE5J5g

Most experiments don’t require a hypothesis? Do you even know what the hell you’re talking about? The whole point of an experiment is to verify or falsify a hypothesis. Seriously, did you sleep through your science classes in high school?

Statistics aren’t a science, they’re a field of MATHEMATICAL ANALYSIS. Mathematics are *tools* used in science, they aren’t a science themselves. 1 + 1 = 2 isn’t science, it’s an abstract axiom. You can’t prove or disprove that 1 + 1 = 2.

Most experiments don’t require a hypothesis? Do you even know what the hell you’re talking about? The whole point of an experiment is to verify or falsify a hypothesis. Seriously, did you sleep through your science classes in high school?

Statistics aren’t a science, they’re a field of MATHEMATICAL ANALYSIS. Mathematics are *tools* used in science, they aren’t a science themselves. 1 + 1 = 2 isn’t science, it’s an abstract axiom. You can’t prove or disprove that 1 + 1 = 2.

Solyndra was a smart but failed investment gamble on a promising company (that first got huge loans from George W. Bush).  The Fast and Furious “gun-walking” operation also was started under the Bush Justice Department. The CLASS ACT is not being enforced AT ALL anymore so why mention it. & The debt ceiling is totally common annual bipartisan business and is completely necessary to pay our bills.  

No, Tony. My words, as you can see above, are: “Most experiments (involving controlled manipulation of conditions) do require a hypothesis, but observational and exploratory studies do not.”

For instance, Copernicus composed the heliocentric theory from statistical observations of the motions of heavenly bodies — no hypothesis, no experimentation. Many scientific truths have been discovered from plain observation. But Louis Pasteur’s work, for instance, required hypotheses and experiments.

As an aside, there is such a thing as a statistical experiment, with hypothesis.

Finally — and I offer this respectfully — what is your point exactly? That data derived from mathematical and statistical observations are less true than knowledge obtained via manipulated variable experiments? That seems a little daft, don’t you think?

Example:

Statistician: “Everyone who ate the salmon has died within 20 seconds.”
You: “That’s not science!” [Eats salmon, dies.]

Uh-oh–facts and reasoned argumentation, a.k.a. Kryptonite for Republitards.

Solyndra, Corzine, Fast & Furious, etc, have all been covered multiple times by all those networks, even Huffington Post. Look it up yourself. If you only watch Fox, you have no idea what what the other guys are covering.

Case in point: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8599414-corzine-top-obama-fundraiser-under-fbi-investigation

Oh, so you’re saying that ONLY Fox shows those ignorant people polls?  Do you really believe that the ONLY network I ever watch is Fox?  When did Leno join Fox? And yes, the majority of the media IS Liberal by their own admission, so don’t try to pretend it is not true.  The Liberals deny, deny and deny….and they only fool themselves.  You are a case on point.

Only suckers and blind fools pretend that Fox is to be ignored and that CNN, MSNBC and the Big 3 networks do not hide the truth.  If what you believe about Fox was true, then they would have faded long ago and never become the #1 news network in the US.

And as for the least informed people being Fox viewers…..how many of the OWSers watch Fox?

I accidentally included “most”, that was a typo. You’re still incredibly wrong, however. Experiments *by definition* test a hypothesis. That’s the whole point: if there’s no hypothesis, there’s no experiment.

Yes, Copernicus did have a hypothesis he was testing, that of heliocentrism. You say so in your own post, so it was quite humorous to see you say he wasn’t testing a hypothesis when you named the damn hypothesis in your post. I love when people make my arguments for me, saves me time.

And I loved this gem:

“Finally — and I offer this respectfully — what is your point exactly?
That data derived from mathematical and statistical observations are
less true than knowledge obtained via manipulated variable experiments?”

No, the issue is that people draw conclusions from the data — which is all statistics are. Data isn’t science, data is a PART of science. People who believe that data is science say stupid things like this:

“That seems a little daft, don’t you think?

Example:

Statistician: “Everyone who ate the salmon has died within 20 seconds.”
You: “That’s not science!” [Eats salmon, dies.]”

I love this illogical rationale — I also love how you had to come up with a completely artificial scenario to justify the farce that statistics are science. Statistics also say that ice cream causes murder! So don’t eat that ice cream or else you’ll DIE!

He does seem a little upset, doesn’t he?

Cite your sources for the “huge loans” from the Bush Administration.

Solyndra’s money came out of ARRA 2009, not the Energy Policy Act of 2005 that was set up during the Bush Administration.  Furthermore, Solyndra’s loan was initiated March 20, “2009″ and finalized September 4, “2009.”

During the period when Solyndra’s loan guarantee was under review and managed by the Energy Department, the company spent nearly $1.8 million on Washington lobbyists, employed six firms with ties to members of Congress and officials of the Obama White House.

http://www.globalization101.org/news1/Solyndra

Interesting, yes?  The Obama White House.  Let’s see, I wonder who, in the Obama Admin., wasn’t being lobbied?  Ah, now I remember……..Larry Summers and Timothy Geithner.  Because, if they were, lobbyists certainly wasted their time because both Obama cabinet members were saying, no,   no, no.  So was OMB….Office of Management and Budget.

Then there was the Citizens Against Government Waste Solyndra report:

Solyndra Scortches Taxpayers

“It’s a shame the Obama Administration didn’t pay as much attention to the details of Solyndra’s business plans and financial liabilities as it did to the details of the President’s photo op….”

It gets worse:

http://www.cagw.org/newsroom/waste-watcher/2011/october/solyndra-scorches-taxpayers.html

Back to “Solyndra’s lessons linked above:

“The U.S. will need to continue to support research and developement (and investments in alternative energy solutions)….?

“….it would be advantageous to restructure the actual loan process  so that the U.S. government provides seed money rather than trying to select winners and losers.”

Understatement of the ages. 

No, Fast and Furious was not started under Bush. Wide Receiver was and both programs were run drastically differently.  WR cooperated with the Mexican gov’t tracing and confiscating the guns. Mexican officials were notified when each action was taking place and we had ATF agents IN MEXICO WORKING WITH that country’s officials.  It was stopped in 2007 because some of the weapons were lost, no one died. 

Fast and Furious agents stationed in Mexico were told to not inform Mexican officials, stand down when the guns crossed the border and well over 2000 weapons were lost, 200 Mexicans were killed as was our border agent, Brian Terry,  with those weapons.

Eric Holder admitted during testimony that the two programs were not the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bESZcRMCBKk

http://www.cagw.org/newsroom/waste-watcher/2011/october/solyndra-scorches-taxpayers.html

There is no ‘reply’ button under your last comment, but your conclusion — “statistics are a part of science” is precisely my point. Scientists consider statistical analysis an essential activity of science. Math and science overlap. And some scientific data is derived from simple observation and analysis of data. None of this is questionable. Knowledge of animal behavior, for instance, relies more on observation than on controlled experiments. Astronomy, also, is an example of a scientific field which has relied more on observation than controlled experiments, as was the case with Copernicus. Heliocentrism was his conclusion from his observations. It then became a hypothesis for further studies.

You seem to be saying there is no such thing as a scientific study, only experimentation. Ask a scientist. Scientists rely on studies (i.e. research) and experiments. You are saying that scientific researchers (who generally do not conduct experiments) are not working within the realm of science. Studies that cannot be tested by controlled experiments can and will be tested by subsequent studies.

You’re also equating illogical statistical conclusions (“people who eat ice cream die”) with logical statistical conclusions. Another example: “All 2,000 patients who took treatment X recovered; all 2,000 patients who took treatment Y died within 24 hours; therefore treatment X is preferable”. Scientists rely heavily on making rational statistical conclusions. It is, as you say, part of science, and an essential one.

I might give Fox viewers a pass on 1 or 2 studies. But 5 studies!  http://blogs.redding.com/dcraig/archives/2011/11/fox-news-watche-1.html

1 or 2 studies and Fox viewers get a pass. But 5 studies conclude the same thing! wake up and smell the roses!  http://blogs.redding.com/dcraig/archives/2011/11/fox-news-watche-1.html

Pot-kettle-black. I’m no english major, but “When’s” was perfectly contracted from “when is” yet “Did you discovered” is horrible conjugation/syntax.

http://blogs.redding.com/dcraig/archives/2011/11/fox-news-watche-1.html  enough said.

Why embarrass yourself?
discoveredpast participle, past tense of dis·cov·er (Verb)
Verb:
Find (something or someone) unexpectedly or in the course of a search.
Become aware of (a fact or situation).

I never said that statistics weren’t used in science, I said that they’re NOT science. They’re a tool, a tool that many people — including you — lazily mistake for science itself. You also assume that all statistics are top notch when because of their unscientific nature they are frequently manipulated in order to make contrived conclusions without utilizing the scientific method. This “study” being a perfect example.

And no, math and science don’t overlap. That’s very indicative of your knowledge of both fields, or lack thereof. No part of science is in math and we only use math to describe science. Math is abstract, science is physical. We use abstractions to describe physical things. 1 + 1 != gravity. Mass described by an abstraction + Mass described by an abstraction = a measure of Force described by an abstraction.

Your understanding of how Copernicus went about his experiments is complete ass backwards. You’re basically describing Copernicus’ process similarly to the unscientific methods that anthropogenic global warming alarmists use: notice a certain property and then make a massive generalized, unsupported conclusion that covers an entire system without bothering to test it — and then in AGW’s case, cherry pick data that supports your conclusions and ignore data that falsifies it. Helocentrism requires *many* supporting hypothesis which he had to verify first.

In addition, you’re also making the assumption that observations can’t have controls, which is just plain false. A control is a data point of comparison that can be isolated to not change somehow, and there are literally thousands of observable data points for control data. Copernicus smartly just focused on the other known planets.

I also loved this little gem because it flew WAY over your head:

“You’re also equating illogical statistical conclusions (“people who eat ice cream die”) with logical statistical conclusions.”

The statistical conclusion that ice cream causes murder is a common proof of just how absurd “logical” statistic conclusions are. You assume that correlation is proof, which is a completely asinine assumption since you can correlate any data with any other set of data. For example, the rate of ice cream consumption with the rate of murder which correlate to each other. Just because you think YOUR correlation is better than others and think that you don’t need to bother to prove causality just shows how anti-intellectual you are. Maybe the people who ate salmon also had fish allergy, but your lazy ass didn’t bother to figure that out, did it. Just because you record the event of people eating fish and then dying doesn’t mean that the fish is killing them nor that the next person who eats the fish will die.

It is unbelievable how many people can watch Fox News and actually believe everything they say. It has been shown time and time again how they get their facts wrong, or just lie outright. Their audience who I call “Fox News Zombies” will without question believe and do what they are told, and will never do any type of fact checking to see if it’s true. If hate and anger are expressed by any of their “pundits” then that hate and anger is immediately transferred to the viewer. The funny part is they don’t really understand why they hate so much, all they know is they were told to do it. About time someone exposed the audience for who they are. Now maybe people will wake up and see that Fox News is anything but “fair and balanced” and that they cater to the mindless who depend on Fox to tell them what to do.    

 I am saying this poll has said the same a few times now. On the average it appears correct. Look at the wild silly conspiracies that don’t hold up, the amnesia of the last term, re-written history, misqouted numbers, edited tapes! “Fox” is force feeding these rubes! Obama has pulled things I don’t support, but when you listen to the good ole boys at my local coffee shop, their hate of him is backed by false information, made up numbers, theories. When called out on the sham, it’s always the same “Ye needs to watch that “Fox”! As I said I don’t need a list, I know Obama has made fumbles, but most of the bs comes from “Fox” edits, suggestions and half truths! Is this all conservatives, no, more than half the “teas” (?)

“Some consider statistics to be a mathematical body of science pertaining to the collection, analysis, interpretation or explanation, and presentation of data while others consider it a branch of mathematics concerned with collecting and interpreting data. Because of its empirical roots and its focus on applications, statistics is usually considered to be a distinct mathematical science rather than a branch of mathematics. Statisticians improve the quality of data with the design of experiments and survey sampling.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics

Encyclopedia Brittanica: “statistics – the science of collecting, analyzing, presenting, and interpreting data” http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/564172/statistics

Cornell Department of Statistical Science – http://www.stat.cornell.edu/

Mathematical sciences – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_sciences

Statistics and other decision sciences – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics#Statistics_and_other_decision_sciences

ASU School of Mathematical and Statistical Sciences – http://math.asu.edu/

More legitimate debate is detailed here, with footnotes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics#Mathematics_as_science

Happy Thanksgiving.

Two questions Fox viewers supposedly got “wrong” were BS questions.  The pollster is actually wrong on one, but calls Fox viewers wrong for the majority giving the correct answerr.  Was there regime change in Egypt?  Correct answer, NO.  Mubarak may no longer be in power, but his military is.  The protesters are still trying to overthrow it, and not content with Mubarak’s military conceding power next summer.  They want it to happen now.  And they are still dying in Tehrir Square trying to make it happen. 
The second BS question was about the Republican frontrunner.  With the poll taken over the course of a week or so, in such a dynamic race, and with so many polls reflecting different leaders (national, Iowa, NH, etc…), there is NO correct answer.  Yet the pollster claims Fox viewers got it wrong. 
These make me highly suspect of the pollster.  I’m even more suspect of the media reporting these “facts”.  Those in the media defending this poll are complete idiots.  They sure like to put down the “big dog on the block” (that would be Fox News), but are absolutely silent on MSNBC viewers doing worse on the question about OWS protesters political views ”Watching the left-leaning MSNBC news channel is associated with a 10-point increase in the likelihood of misidentifying the protesters.”  I consider that a BS question, too, but the media not reporting on it while reporting on the others to make Fox look bad is purely agenda driven and incompetent for a true journalist (although I believe the majority of OWS are Democrats based on their immoral, disgusting, class-warfare, illegal, juvenile, anti-semitic, and divisive behavior).

Wikipedia? *LOL*

The last link is incredibly hilarious, since no one in their right mind considers mathematics a science. Here’s a fun “scientific” math experiment: falsify 1 + 1 = 2. Or better yet, *verify* it. Good luck, chump!

That’s a joke, right? The reason that FOX/FAUX News is still around is the same reason why you STILL have people that think that President Obama is not a legitimate US citizen from birth; because they only want to hear what they want to hear to support their personal biases! It’s that simple. The stupidity that you hear from the GOP and the DNC is amazing to me. So what if many people in the media proclaim themselves to be liberal? Does that automatically mean that you’re dishonest because I don’t agree with GOP principals? That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard!

That’s like saying that the pythagorean theorem doesn’t really pertain to geometry, because the teacher or professor that spoke about it in a classroom is a registered democrat that voted for Obama. I mean, that’s how trivial so many conservatives have become since 2008.  So what if you don’t agree with me, or I don’t agree with you. Me getting a job, or bleeding when I get cut from a knife, or knowing 1+1=2 is a right/wrong, true/false issue, not a repub/dem issue. It’s not a secret that FOX News purposely hates anything that has to do with Obama and democrats, and it’s not a secret that MSNBC hates everything that goes on at FOX News.

That’s not the problem. The problem is when you make up your own lies as though they are legitimate facts, and then attempt to validate your lie by saying that you guys at CNN, and MSNBC are liberal. Yeah, and so what if they’re liberal? You can be a conservative and tell the truth, or you can be liberal and tell the truth. But what you say is not truthful because you’re a registered democrat or republican. It’s because there’s no grey area between fact&fiction. The sky is blue regardless of party affiliation. And you shouting at someone 10 times at the top of your lungs on FOX News that the sky is green doesn’t make it a fact! It’s still blue.

Yeh, so???  I stand by my comments.  I make up no lies, and you are bias by simply suggesting that.  That “gray” area you speak of…does that pertain to you as well? 

I have commissioned polls too. A scientific poll would never have 621 people that live in one-state. A good poll would be about 1,000 people– all over the country. If I took a poll on what’s the greatest hair style of all time, and took a poll of of 621 people in Alabama, I’m sure the mullet would win – hands down.

No, Tony. Equations are verified (and falsified) all the time, in physics as well as in mathematics. Mathematicians also conduct experiments.

I do wonder where your hostility comes from. Are you upset that some universities group computer science with mathematics, while some group statistics with the natural sciences? Don’t worry about that stuff — it’s just the semantics surrounding the “natural overlaps in mathematics and science” (Frykholm & Glasson, 2005.)

Here’s another illustration of that overlap. In ‘Relativity,’ Einstein calls Euclidean geometry the first accomplishment of science: “Science has taken over from pre-scientific thought the concepts space, time, and material object (with the important special case “solid body”) and has modified them and rendered them more precise. Its first significant accomplishment was the development of Euclidean geometry, whose axiomatic formulation must not be allowed to blind us to its empirical origin (the possibilities of laying out or juxtaposing solid bodies). In particular, the three-dimensional nature of space as well as its Euclidean character are of empirical origin.”

So don’t ignore math’s empirical origin. For Einstein (and many others) there is clearly not always a bright line between axiomatic and empirical, mathematical and scientific. Nor is there a pressing need to draw one, except for departmental convenience. Your simplification that all math is abstraction ignores applied mathematics, (which is largely practical) and theoretical physics (which is concerned with abstract
ideas, axioms and probability.)

More overlap: Gauss called mathematics “the queen of the sciences.” Karl Popper wrote, “most mathematical theories are, like those of physics and biology, hypothetico-deductive: pure mathematics therefore turns out to be much closer to the natural sciences whose hypotheses are conjectures, than it seemed even recently.” Well, that seems plain enough.

Statistical science is more practical than axiomatic. According to Duke University, “statistics is the science of uncertainty, the key to making inference in scientific inquiry and to balancing the risks and benefits that every decision-maker faces.” Statisticians do indeed realize that correlation does not prove causation. They teach that in 101. It also worth noting that an experiment does not prove causation, and
sometimes a study can be a more effective means to determine causation than an experiment.

Finally, try this: look up “statistics is the science of” — what do you get? Links to dozens of journals, universities and textbooks, including Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, Duke, Princeton, hundreds more.

You may also try “mathematics is the science of,” which will lead you to definitions by Aristotle and Comte, as well as UCSD, Dartmouth, OSU, and Harvard.

Not in law school yet, champ.

I’m not a sista so I don’t need your help Mr. Obsessed.

you’re speaking to an empty room (Pablo). But I exactly know what you are talking about.

this just proves that 612 people in New Jersey aren’t that bright.