Before I comment on this topic, I must wait for GlennBeckReview to investigate it, comment on it, and then provide a link to his award-winning website.

You don’t say.

“efforts at community relations have been largely unsuccessful so far.”

No sh*t Sherlock.

Dec 20, 2010 … 12 Muslims Arrested for Suspected Plot to Kill Christmas Shoppers in Central London.

It is time to end Christmas, it is offending the uncivilized people among us.

See, Joy and Whoopi were right. Not every Muslim wants to kill people. Just one-third of them.

You know who I sympathize about?

The other 2/3 who get blamed for everything the other 1/3 of people do, even though the 2/3ers don’t support them..

ALL religious extremism must not be tolerated and be a subject to prosecution. The only place religion has a role in, is in its respective religious buildings. That includes Islam.

Socialist said:
You know who I sympathize about?
The other 2/3 who get blamed for everything the other 1/3 of people do, even though the 2/3ers don’t support them..

Can’t argue with that. I feel the same about Tea Party participants that were painted with the racism brush because of a few idiots.

Because this is obviously a controversial subject, I took a minute to pull up the original survey (which wasn’t a secret, it’s dated 7/08 and is available online).

If you scroll ahead to page 43 of the document, you’ll find that 32% of the Muslim students participating in their web-based survey said “killing in the name of religion is justified”, which actually breaks down 28% saying “if the religion was under attack” and 4% saying “in order to preserve or promote that religion”.

First of all, please note the phrasing of “that religion”, so it may not necessarily be a personal response and though of the British non-Muslims surveyed only 2% said killing in the name of religion could be justified, Britain is notoriously a less religious country than the United States. So before you condemn out of hand, one should at least consider what they would do, if their individual religions were under attack.

Note: As someone who practices no recognized religion, I would never harm another on behalf of my philosophical beliefs and I’m not saying that the 28% who would do so, if their religion was “under attack” are right or justified by any means, I simply felt it necessary to introduce the actual survey and its questions into the discussion.

Oh well, it could be worse. The 2/3 of those muslims that don’t believe in murdering Christians could sit on the sidelines and do nothing to stop the slaughter…wait…nevermind!

Fact:Ten Obvious Reasons Why
Islam is NOT a Religion of Peace

#1 14,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last eight years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).

#2 Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or criticizing his religion. This included women. Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

#3 Muhammad said in many places that he has been “ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger.” In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that.
Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

#4 After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him, and knew his religion best, immediately fell into war with each other.
Fatima, Muhammad’s favorite daughter, survived the early years at Mecca safe and sound, yet died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only six months after her father died.
Fatima’s husband Ali, who was the second second convert to Islam and was raised like a son to Muhammad, fought a civil war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad’s favorite wife – and one whom he had said was a “perfect woman.” 10,000 Muslims were killed in a single battle, waged less than 25 years after Muhammad’s death.
Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered. All of them were among Muhammad’s closest companions. The third caliph was killed by allies of the son of the first (who was murdered by the fifth caliph a few years later, then wrapped in the skin of a dead donkey and burned). The fourth caliph (Ali) was stabbed to death after a bitter dispute with the fifth. The fifth caliph went on to poison one of Muhammad’s two favorite grandsons. The other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph.
The infighting and power struggles between Muhammad’s family members, closest companions and their children only intensified with time. Within 50 short years of Muhammad’s death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war…
And that’s just the fate of those within the house of Islam!

#5 Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands.
A mere 25 years after Muhammad’s death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia.

#6 Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.
None of these other religions are at war with each other.

#7 Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad.

#8 Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.

#9 The Qur’an never once speaks of Allah’s love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah’s cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times.

#10 “Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!”
(The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)

I should also add that I’m not familiar with the group, nor have I studied their methodology beyond a cursory read. I simply read the post, followed the link and then goggled-up the organization to find the original document, so that I could come to a more informed opinion about its result.

Sarah Palin also believes this.

So did GW Bush.

God “told them” that the war in Iraq was just.

Over 100,000 have died.

The GOP are Americas version of religious nuts.

I’d rather have an atheist in office.

Or at least a pragmatist such as Ron Paul.

Less wars.

Less costs to the taxpayers.

Smarter government.

Fuck fairy tales in the Koran

Fuck fairy tales in the Bible

Fuck Karl Rove and Fuck Sarah Palin.

Remember, we’re better off not knowing this.

Thelonious Funk said:
Remember, we’re better off not knowing this.

What? That some diplomat read a freely-available, published report and wrote a position paper on the subject? And of course, perhaps they had simply read a blogpost on the subject, which may have been rooted in this brief from “The Guardian” or this longer story from “The Daily Mail”, both of which were published in July of ’08 and both came up on the first page of a slightly targeted internet search.
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OK – With that out of the way, I’m going to backtrack from my CYA note to my initial comment and maybe open a can of worms.

I’ll start by tossing out the 4%, who believe it may be justifiable to kill “in order to preserve or promote that religion” because it’s impossible to separate those who would “preserve” and those who would “promote” and the combination of the two does seem somewhat radical.

Which leaves us with the 28%, who could justify killing, “if the religion was under attack”.

I think it’s safe to say that most Americans, Brits, Russians, etc. would think the taking of a life would be justified, if our countries or way of life were under attack. I don’t have any statistics to back it, but my impression of those from predominantly Muslim nations is that they don’t wrap themselves in a national flag and instead, their unifying religion is what defines their way of life.

So, how would this finding differ, if they had asked the respondents if they could justify killing to protect their countries or national constitutions, if they were under attack? Would the responses have been reversed? Would a majority of the non-Muslims say yes and would most of those from the Middle East, who practice Islam say no?

I guess we’ll never know, but again, I think the keywords are “under attack”.

^If I could edit, I’d move a comma or two, but you get the idea^ (Disqus, please)

One more and then I’ll shut-up…

Perhaps the media angle on this post should be how the “Daily Mail” could headline an article “The latest WikiLeaks revelation: 1 in 3 British Muslim students back killing for Islam and 40% want Sharia law”, when they actually reported the original story and examined both elements two years ago.

Apparently it took Wikileaks to tell them what they already knew.

I expect Sarah, Huckabee and the other Jokers to now call wikileaks “Patriots”. ahhhhhhh

Having studied the teachings in the Koran and the history of Muslims, I can say they are in direct alignment. There are many terms and concepts in the Muslim teachings that are not part of the public discussion as they should be. Perhaps the most important one for Americans to know about is the word, “TAGIIYA.” It is the accepted believe of Muslims that LYING is OK and is even encouraged……………….if the Muslim thinks it might promote Islam.

It is telling that our “news” media and our politicians have chosen to omit from discussion this crucial element of Muslim belief. Not saying they are terrorist sympathizers, but they clearly are willing to put our lives and the well-being of our nation at risk rather than be called some school-yard name by the left.

Magister said:
Which leaves us with the 28%, who could justify killing, “if the religion was under attack”.

Like if someone draws a cartoon.

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Well, I was hoping to hear some grade liberal spin regarding this, but it appears they are avoiding the subject like the plague.

Islam is not a religion of peace. It never was. We’ve had 124 attacks or attempted attacks from Muslims inside America. This is from a group making up less than 1% of our total population. There are far more radicals than anyone wants to admit.

It’s also a myth that we’re not at war with Islam. We are. Or rather Islam is at war with us. The terrorist view is not a “perversion” of Islam it’s just Islam. Anyone who’s ever read the Koran knows that.

Pablo said:
Like if someone draws a cartoon.

That’s the problem with the criteria. I’d probably put those who might issue a fatwa against a cartoonist into the portion of the 4% who would kill to “protect”, not the 28% who would consider it if “under attack”.

Chris Jones said:
Islam is not a religion of peace. It never was. We’ve had 124 attacks or attempted attacks from Muslims inside America. This is from a group making up less than 1% of our total population. There are far more radicals than anyone wants to admit. It’s also a myth that we’re not at war with Islam. We are. Or rather Islam is at war with us. The terrorist view is not a “perversion” of Islam it’s just Islam. Anyone who’s ever read the Koran knows that.

So how many times have you read the Qur’an Chris?

“How many would be those to give up their lives for Jesus”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RNfL6IVWCE

Remember, whenever you point your finger at another you are pointing 3 fingers back at yourself.

Britain’s government is now enjoying the benefits of it’s policy of allowing a constant flow of Immigrants into it’s country.

The U.S. State Department is also bringing more thousands of Middle Easterners to be “resettled” in our country as “Political Asylum” refugees. If even a small percentage of them have the desire to inflict mass casualties on New Yorkers out for a night in a crowded Times Square they are a disaster waiting-to-happen:

http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/profiles/blogs/palestinians-have-missle

shootfromthehip said:
The GOP are Americas version of religious nuts.

I’ll agree that the GOP has more Christain voters than the Dems, but its the Dem party which is trapped in a Cult. You guys worship a man who promises to create Hope and Change in the world…you feel that only He can make you happy and bring properity to your family…you’re willing to give up your rights because He wants to give you healthcare…your intellect tells you that His current spending spree will bankrupt the country and your kids will have to pay the bill, but since iits Him who’s in control, all will be well…you lay down when He usurps Constitutional power and prods the FCC to begin regulating the internet.

Now tell me shootfromthehip, who is it that blindly follows a “Divine One” because he’ll bring Joy, Peace and Prosperity into your life?

So do BushDrunk & supporters. What else is new???

Seeing 2012 From My Padded Cell says:
“Well, I was hoping to hear some grade liberal spin regarding this, but it appears they are avoiding the subject like the plague.”

Scroll up, see comment where shootfromthehip says in part:

“The GOP are Americas version of religious nuts.”

Maybe that’s not sufficiently “grade liberal spin,” whatever that is.

That’s funny. A study that suggests Muslims may be less “live and let live” than we’ve been told to believe, and that Beck’s numbers might have been TOO conservative (under the actual number), so Mediaite delves a bit into the studies backers. BUT, grab a study that says FNC viewers are “misinformed,” and well no further research into that study is needed.

See, this is the result of institutional group think, at allegedly journalistic places… incuding Mediaite. The agree personally with one study, so the notion of, “Let’s see what’s behind it,” never happens. It’s only when things “smelly fishy” to them (ie: they disagree) that they do any kind of research.

That’s bias, folks.

ImNotBlue said:
That’s funny. A study that suggests Muslims may be less “live and let live” than we’ve been told to believe, and that Beck’s numbers might have been TOO conservative (under the actual number), so Mediaite delves a bit into the studies backers. BUT, grab a study that says FNC viewers are “misinformed,” and well no further research into that study is needed. See, this is the result of institutional group think, at allegedly journalistic places… incuding Mediaite. The agree personally with one study, so the notion of, “Let’s see what’s behind it,” never happens. It’s only when things “smelly fishy” to them (ie: they disagree) that they do any kind of research. That’s bias, folks.

Wow, that’s beautiful. If Mediaite occasionally took viewer comments and started threads with them, I’d recommend they use yours. In fact I’M BEGGING MEDIAITE TO PUT IT UP. Of course, that’s not gonna happen. Your post hits too close to the truth.

ImNotBlue said:
That’s funny. A study that suggests Muslims may be less “live and let live” than we’ve been told to believe, and that Beck’s numbers might have been TOO conservative (under the actual number), so Mediaite delves a bit into the studies backers. BUT, grab a study that says FNC viewers are “misinformed,” and well no further research into that study is needed.

See, this is the result of institutional group think, at allegedly journalistic places… incuding Mediaite. The agree personally with one study, so the notion of, “Let’s see what’s behind it,” never happens. It’s only when things “smelly fishy” to them (ie: they disagree) that they do any kind of research.

There is no doubt that Mediaite is just another liberal website. Colby can deny it, Tommy can deny it but the fact remains is that Mediaite is clearly biased.
That’s bias, folks.

Beck’s comments are irrelevant to the fact that we have an administration that has not only kept this information from us (which we already knew) but try to force feed us into believing the opposite. THIS is whats most frightening.

Whether it’s 1% or 10% doesn’t change the fact that Muslims will kill Americans. There are roughly, 1-billion Muslims. Just 1% of that number represents terrorist numbers that are scary. Radical Muslims are radical no matter where they live. The UK is experiencing that fact. Do people here think that it’s going to suddenly change and the radicals living here will become Americanized? Just how naive do you have to be to buy into that crap?!!

SmartAlec said:
Can’t argue with that. I feel the same about Tea Party participants that were painted with the racism brush because of a few idiots.

Who more than likely weren’t even TEA Party folks.

shootfromthehip said:
Sarah Palin also believes this. So did GW Bush. God “told them” that the war in Iraq was just. Over 100,000 have died. The GOP are Americas version of religious nuts. I’d rather have an atheist in office. Or at least a pragmatist such as Ron Paul. Less wars. Less costs to the taxpayers. Smarter government. Fuck fairy tales in the Koran Fuck fairy tales in the Bible Fuck Karl Rove and Fuck Sarah Palin.

you forgot one……..Fuck you, you Ronulan assclown.

GlennBeckReview said:
Seeing 2012 From My Padded Cell says:“Well, I was hoping to hear some grade liberal spin regarding this, but it appears they are avoiding the subject like the plague.” Scroll up, see comment where shootfromthehip says in part: “The GOP are Americas version of religious nuts.” Maybe that’s not sufficiently “grade liberal spin,” whatever that is.

Davo said:
Having studied the teachings in the Koran and the history of Muslims, I can say they are in direct alignment. There are many terms and concepts in the Muslim teachings that are not part of the public discussion as they should be. Perhaps the most important one for Americans to know about is the word, “TAGIIYA.” It is the accepted believe of Muslims that LYING is OK and is even encouraged……………….if the Muslim thinks it might promote Islam. It is telling that our “news” media and our politicians have chosen to omit from discussion this crucial element of Muslim belief. Not saying they are terrorist sympathizers, but they clearly are willing to put our lives and the well-being of our nation at risk rather than be called some school-yard name by the left.

Folks should peep the Verse of the Swords before popping off about this being a peaceful religion too.

And to those who say well there are 2/3 that don’t feel that way….well I’ll tell them like folks in So. Central have been told about gangbangers…….if you allow them to operate with impunity you are as bad as they are.

Stand up and make a difference. Don’t want to be thought as one…..then point them out and we’ll make sure they are gone.

If you continue to turn a blind eye to their behavior you get what you get.

PLEASE don’t think that all liberals are blind about the muslim threat. I have been reading about them and warning about them for the past 20 years. And, by the way, forget that 2/3 of them aren’t violently inclined. The problem is that they won’t do anything to stop those that are. At the best, they’re afraid of reprisals. Everyone should go online and research the history some of these people have in their treatment, not just of other people, but of their own people, especially their women. Women in many Islamic countries live lives filled with fear, abuse and early death. Anyone who doesn’t believe this–just look it up; it’s all there. Look up the mortality figures for pregnant women. It’s horrendous! I think if people were better educated on the reality of muslim lives in Islamic countries, we’d have more realism in our policies toward them.

ImNotBlue says:
“That’s funny. A study that suggests Muslims may be less “live and let live” than we’ve been told to believe, and that Beck’s numbers might have been TOO conservative (under the actual number), so Mediaite delves a bit into the studies backers. BUT, grab a study that says FNC viewers are “misinformed,” and well no further research into that study is needed.”

That might have to do with the fact that it’s blatantly obvious to the most casually informed.

VoiceofReason says:
“Stand up and make a difference. Don’t want to be thought as one…..then point them out and we’ll make sure they are gone.”

I was having a discussion about this with a friend who was fretting about a tip line where people can call in about suspicious activities that might be terroristic. He was against it out of concern about a loss of privacy and abuse (people calling in “dangerous activities” because you have views they don’t like or noisy dogs, etc). I argued that we have to be more serious about the threat we’re facing from Al Quada and its affiliates. Israel has a great citizen reporting system in place because they’ve been in under this threat of suicide attacks for longer than we.

I think we need to be aware and vigilant without paranoia and “chest thumping,” i.e., “stand up and make a difference.” One can make the 911 call sitting down, thank you.

Something never brought up so far as I’ve noticed is the context. No one but people like Ron Paul on the right and Bernie Sanders on the left are saying what needs to be done to move toward detente with the extremists, namely, we need to get out of the Middle East. It’s their Civilization, and they see us as Crusaders. Paul sees us as an Empire, and I see us as an imperialistic hegemonic power causing the troubles that we have. Presidents Bush and Bush caused this war with Al Quada with their obsession to get Saddam and save Kuwait’s cheap oil. This conflict won’t be resolved until the cause and America’s part in this violent struggle is addressed.

Leah Ma said:
PLEASE don’t think that all liberals are blind about the muslim threat. I have been reading about them and warning about them for the past 20 years. And, by the way, forget that 2/3 of them aren’t violently inclined. The problem is that they won’t do anything to stop those that are. At the best, they’re afraid of reprisals. Everyone should go online and research the history some of these people have in their treatment, not just of other people, but of their own people, especially their women. Women in many Islamic countries live lives filled with fear, abuse and early death. Anyone who doesn’t believe this–just look it up; it’s all there. Look up the mortality figures for pregnant women. It’s horrendous! I think if people were better educated on the reality of muslim lives in Islamic countries, we’d have more realism in our policies toward them.

Thank you

Leah Ma said:
“PLEASE don’t think that all liberals are blind about the muslim threat. I have been reading about them and warning about them for the past 20 years. And, by the way, forget that 2/3 of them aren’t violently inclined. The problem is that they won’t do anything to stop those that are.”

“They” are some of the people calling in suspicious activities, at least here in the U.S. Leah Ma, you are stereotyping in a manner that the right-wingers like Alz can embrace. Google this, and you’ll find that American Muslims are doing things to stop extremist Muslims that are “violently inclined.”