America can’t be saved.

What a sad bunch of spoiled people we have turned into in this country.

My favorite headline ever.

fact: As Bevis and Butthead would say; He said Black Friday… heheheheheheheh….

BlackWidow said:
What a sad bunch of spoiled people we have turned into in this country.

Fact: Anytime there is crowds wanting something like a free handout from government programs you get the same results. See Atlanta subsidized housing.

Yes, but these people were waiting to put money in the big corporations pockets. Silly them. You are aways just to the line when you bash poor people. Why do you act like a coward and come out and say just what it is you mean.

“America can’t be saved.”

—Well, if we’re such a crappy place why the hell do we have so many wetbacks trying to sneak in? I mean, if we’re so bad then why don’t our poor move to Cuba, Mexico and Canada? Even our draft dodgers came back after getting their pardons, how convenient. You’d think they would have stayed in Canada with their high taxes and free healthcare, you’d think Canada would be the perfect place for a progressive, yet it obviously wasn’t since they didn’t stay there.

Thank God we live in a country where a sale produces an stampede. Long live capitalism!

http://politicallyincorrectlibertarian.wordpress.com/

Birds of a feather flock together, makes no difference to their nationality, financial standing or their moral background. What they didn’t learn in childhood they learned from those they mingled with throughout the years. Now they are honing that skill to make a bigger ass out of themselves. Go get’m big dogs.

The hits never stop do they? Look like an ass and trample fellow humans to line the pockets of some big wig. Long live capitalism!

Ugh. This is why I stayed home today.

I worked in retail for a long time and saw it get progressively worse as companies tried to outdo each other and open earlier and have better deals. Now I’m glad to not have to deal with it. Saving a few bucks just isn’t worth it.

I noticed this year even more companies open on Thanksgiving day. Guess I’m old school but I felt bad for the employees.

I always hoped one store would have the nads to advertise, “We’re going to spread our great sales out all through November and December, and we’re not opening early because we want our employees to have more time with their families.”

and get lots of attention for being a little less stupid about commercializing our holidays.

that picture is a great metaphor for capitalism……

translation for teabaggers:

Metaphor- is the concept of understanding one thing in terms of another. A metaphor is a figure of speech that constructs an analogy between two things or ideas; the analogy is conveyed by the use of a metaphorical word in place of some other word.

shit i probably just confused the useful idiots even more.

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Just4thefax said:
Fact: Anytime there is crowds wanting something like a free handout from government programs you get the same results. See Atlanta subsidized housing.

FACT: You’re an opnionated douche

@cosmos…..“We’re going to spread our great sales out all through November and December, and we’re not opening early because we want our employees to have more time with their families.”

lol i like you dan,,.you seem like a genuine person. but it will be a cold day in hell b4 that happens,., ;)

“that picture is a great metaphor for capitalism……
translation for teabaggers:”

—We know what a metaphor is, asshole. Do you know who Woodrow Wilson is? Do you know Calvin Coolidge? Maybe if you read real books instead of the bullshit Obama writes you might realize that socialism doesn’t work.
Ever heard of LIMITED government?

http://politicallyincorrectlibertarian.wordpress.com/

The people in this country are going apesh*t. It doesn’t help that the economy is in the sh*tter, either. For god sakes, it’s only material stuff that you keep for a few years and don’t want anymore. What is with this obsession to want to get a flat screen TV and sh*t? I honestly don’t know what people like to buy on Black Friday, but it’s still ridiculous to care about such a day.

modans1955 said:
FACT: You’re an opnionated douche

Fact: My opinion is that you dirty dog democrat!

ProgLib said:
The people in this country are going apesh*t. It doesn’t help that the economy is in the sh*tter, either. For god sakes, it’s only material stuff that you keep for a few years and don’t want anymore. What is with this obsession to want to get a flat screen TV and sh*t? I honestly don’t know what people like to buy on Black Friday, but it’s still ridiculous to care about such a day.

Fact: Go live in North Korea where you don’t have to worry about capitalism!

nrgetick said:
that picture is a great metaphor for capitalism…… translation for teabaggers: Metaphor- is the concept of understanding one thing in terms of another. A metaphor is a figure of speech that constructs an analogy between two things or ideas; the analogy is conveyed by the use of a metaphorical word in place of some other word. shit i probably just confused the useful idiots even more.

Fact: Hey Forrest life isn’t always like a box of chocolates.

There is the capitalism conservative scumbags want! Capitalism is great! But unbridled, frenzied and unrestrained capitalism ALWAYS results in disaster.

I’ve never waited in a queue to go shopping in my life. Not for a ps2 or a ps2 game.. if it sells, they always restock it asap. Do things run out that quickly in america?

greg454 said:
“that picture is a great metaphor for capitalism……
translation for teabaggers:”

—We know what a metaphor is, asshole. Do you know who Woodrow Wilson is? Do you know Calvin Coolidge? Maybe if you read real books instead of the bullshit Obama writes you might realize that socialism doesn’t work.
Ever heard of LIMITED government?

woodrow who? lol, yes and i hate the fed reserve as well. obama a socialist?!?!? ha ha you just made marx roll in his grave,.,.,im sure once the republicans are in control we will see the size of govt drastically shrink..ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Hey Forrest life isn’t always like a box of chocolates.

yes very good…. for a jack ass

nrgetick said:
yes very good…. for a jack ass

Fact: I never will or never have been a jackass. Aka; Democrat!

Seems like the store should be liable.

Ah, America the beautiful.

10% off electronics you say?! Out of my way, I’ll step on a grandma for those kinds of savings!

nrgetick said:
@cosmos…..“We’re going to spread our great sales out all through November and December, and we’re not opening early because we want our employees to have more time with their families.”

lol i like you dan,,.you seem like a genuine person. but it will be a cold day in hell b4 that happens,., ;)

A vain hope I know. Over the years places I worked went from opening at 8 AM to 5 AM, and I remember watching people running to get in the store and snatch up the inventory, thinking, this is no way for smart civilized people to behave and not something companies should encourage. In recent years it’s gotten worse with injuries and even a death.
When I went from large corporate chains to smaller local companies it got better.

I just think a company could get a lot of free publicity and attract good customers , maybe regular ones, by having the courage to break with tradition , but someone high up would be risking their job so , you’re right. I don’t expect it to happen.

As our culture becomes more diverse traditions are changing.

I also love how that guy quickly shakes off his agonizing pain to soldier on and shop. Just a little internal bleeding, better get to the $10 Blu-ray section before someone gets the last copy of The Hangover.

“There is the capitalism conservative scumbags want! Capitalism is great! But unbridled, frenzied and unrestrained capitalism ALWAYS results in disaster.”

—It’s what our founding fathers wanted and it works! What? You want the government to tell your company how much profit it can make, you want another FDR telling you what are the minimum prices you can use? You know what doesn’t work? The crony capitalism you libs support, the government buying GM doesn’t work, bailing out airlines and banks doesn’t work, what works is the government getting out of the fucking way!

http://politicallyincorrectlibertarian.wordpress.com/2010/11/23/nightline-whines-about-high-corporate-profits/

greg454 said:
“There is the capitalism conservative scumbags want! Capitalism is great! But unbridled, frenzied and unrestrained capitalism ALWAYS results in disaster.”

—It’s what our founding fathers wanted and it works! What? You want the government to tell your company how much profit it can make, you want another FDR telling you what are the minimum prices you can use? You know what doesn’t work? The crony capitalism you libs support, the government buying GM doesn’t work, bailing out airlines and banks doesn’t work, what works is the government getting out of the fucking way!

- The founding fathers drafted their legislation in a different time and world, while working with an agrarian economy, radically smaller government and nation, and nothing resembling the global economy we have today or even sixty years ago.

- Consumer protection and sensible regulation is good and prudent of any rational and responsible government.

- The loans to and subsequent restructuring of GM paid off immensely – they had the largest public offering on record and are profitable again. This not only saved thousands of jobs at GM, but also thousands of jobs in the manufacturing industry that relies on them.

- TARP worked, it staved off a depression and got the government (tax payers) a return on the investment.

- Having a government not “being in the way” led to child labor, harsh working conditions similar to what they still have in China, large trusts that did not cultivate healthy competition in the market but rather squelched it, et cetera, et cetera.

You need a few history lessons, and better sources for current and genuine information.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: My opinion is that you dirty dog democrat!

AN OPINION ISN’T A FACT. Your middle school english teacher should have taught you at least that much.

You need to read “Broke” by Glenn Beck, you need to get a different view.

“- The founding fathers drafted their legislation in a different time and world, while working with an agrarian economy, radically smaller government and nation, and nothing resembling the global economy we have today or even sixty years ago.”

—So Adam Smith doesn’t work and instead we must give Karl Marx a chance? Come on, this used to be the most powerful country in the world, Washington and Jefferson were obsessed about paying foreign debt, we became so good at meeting our obligations that when we needed money the world was all too willing to give.

Our citizens didn’t need no big government, if they needed help they would talk to their families, their friends, their church, charities, etc. Yet what happened? LBJ and his big society told women you can have a baby and get a welfare check even if you’re unmarried. So instead of putting the baby for adoption or getting married and being a two-income family, welfare became popular.

But thanks to progressivism and crony capitalism, we got too many people used to entitlements, why save for retirement when there’s social security and medicare? Why find a job when you can get unemployment benefits for 99 weeks? Why rent something you can afford when Fannie and Freedy will help you get an FHA loan with only 3% down (it used to be 20% and there was no such thing as the FHA).

“- Consumer protection and sensible regulation is good and prudent of any rational and responsible government.”

—So when the FDA doesn’t approve drugs that save lives how exactly are we being protected?

“- The loans to and subsequent restructuring of GM paid off immensely – they had the largest public offering on record and are profitable again. This not only saved thousands of jobs at GM, but also thousands of jobs in the manufacturing industry that relies on them.”

—GM has fired people, the only jobs saved were union jobs, jobs GM cannot afford. Toyota, Nisan, Honda are doing great without government bailouts, if GM can’t do the same it should be allowed to fail and their employees should look for work elsewhere.

Tell me, Nissan built an all-electric car that sells for $30,000, GM built the Volt which needs a $7,500 tax credit so it can be sold at $33,000. What does that tell you? It tells me that government makes things worse.

“- Having a government not “being in the way” led to child labor, harsh working conditions similar to what they still have in China, large trusts that did not cultivate healthy competition in the market but rather squelched it, et cetera, et cetera.”

—I thought you’d love China with their free healthcare, free education, and one-child policies. Besides, it’s the role of PARENTS to raise the kids, not government.

If you trust government so much, tell me what’s the last thing government did for you?

greg454 said:
You need to read “Broke” by Glenn Beck, you need to get a different view.

I’d rather not read a book written by a self educated millionaire with clear bias and a demonstrated ignorance of the facts and processes of economics. Especially current events as they relate to the economy. I read actual economic books, as boring as that may sound to you – but thank you for the suggestion.

Our citizens didn’t need no big government, if they needed help they would talk to their families, their friends, their church, charities, etc. Yet what happened? LBJ and his big society told women you can have a baby and get a welfare check even if you’re unmarried. So instead of putting the baby for adoption or getting married and being a two-income family, welfare became popular.

Again, the world is a different place now. Everyone, presumably, contributes to society, and yet not all have family and community structures to magically solve their problems when they fall on hard times (and many are without faith, such as myself). And why are egalitarian social programs bad, exactly? And does a woman need a man to care for her and her child? You seem to think the phrase “single mother” is a pejorative, and incorrectly assume that all, or even a majority, of single mothers collect welfare and do not work.

But thanks to progressivism and crony capitalism, we got too many people used to entitlements, why save for retirement when there’s social security and medicare? Why find a job when you can get unemployment benefits for 99 weeks? Why rent something you can afford when Fannie and Freedy will help you get an FHA loan with only 3% down (it used to be 20% and there was no such thing as the FHA).

Progressive ideals actually stand against the tide that brought corruption and deregulation back in a big way. You’re blaming it because you’re obviously a conservative and partisan. It was conservative ideals and legislation that lead to “crony capitalism”. This is obvious, I have know idea how this escaped you. Well, you do rely upon books written by Glenn Beck for information……

Social Security is funded by ones payroll taxes, the more you contribute the more you’re entitled to. It can’t legally borrow, so it can’t contribute to the debt. This is, essentially, a mandatory and managed savings – I fail to see how that’s a bad thing.

I also think you’re painting with a broad brush again, and assuming that just because entitlements are available people choose not to work.

“- Consumer protection and sensible regulation is good and prudent of any rational and responsible government.”

—So when the FDA doesn’t approve drugs that save lives how exactly are we being protected?

How often does this occur? Not much, and not for long. Decades go into the research of treatments and pharmaceuticals, and years into testing and peer review for safety. Should we just leave it up to the pharmaceutical companies to decide what’s safe and what’s not?

GM has fired people, the only jobs saved were union jobs, jobs GM cannot afford. Toyota, Nisan, Honda are doing great without government bailouts, if GM can’t do the same it should be allowed to fail and their employees should look for work elsewhere.

GM mostly fired dead weight, and lots of failed management. But that doesn’t negate the fact that the loans worked, and that they’re immensely successful and thousands of jobs were saved in the automotive industry because of it.

Tell me, Nissan built an all-electric car that sells for $30,000, GM built the Volt which needs a $7,500 tax credit so it can be sold at $33,000. What does that tell you? It tells me that government makes things worse.

The government did not work on the research, design, fabrication, or pricing of either the Volt or this automobile from Nissan you’re referencing. I fail to see what point you’re trying to make. The Volt was named Motor Trend’s car of the year, however, and is generally accepted as being a very well made automobile by those that have tested it.

I thought you’d love China with their free healthcare, free education, and one-child policies. Besides, it’s the role of PARENTS to raise the kids, not government.

You think because I’m Liberal I would appreciate an oppressive government just because they have some of the same social program that all other first world nations aside form the United States have (nationalized health care)? By the way, we have free public education as well, and subsidized community colleges.

If you trust government so much, tell me what’s the last thing government did for you?

The electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy is providing the power I need to run this computer. The research made by DARPA and other government organizations, and the investment the government made in private research, is allowing us to communicate over something called the Internet right now.

I can take a a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility.

I can turn on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I can watch this this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I can get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I can deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.

After work, I can drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal’s inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

I could go on, but you get the picture. I sense you’re a well meaning and respectable person, just blinded by idealism and lack of information (with a healthy dose of misinformation).

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Twisted, life-less people. No wonder Murcuh has declined so badly. Yup. Duh.

Does anybody remember this classic exchange?

GOLDBERG: Oh, hello and welcome to ‘The View.’ Today is Black Friday, all day long,” Goldberg said. “And I’m going to stay black all day because of it.

BEHAR: Isn’t it a little racist to call it Black Friday?

GOLDBERG: Well, I would have called it African American Friday, but that’s taking something away from it.

BEHAR: But there’s a negative connotation to it? Or does it mean something else?

GOLDBERG: No, it’s like when you make all the money – you’re in the black.

BEHAR: So it’s positive?

GOLDBERG: Yeah. It’s in the black, so it’s a huge great thing.

BEHAR: A lot of times, like blackmail is negative, black sheep.

GOLDBERG: Black people.

BEHAR: No, not black people.

GOLDBERG: But it used to be, it used to be.

greg454 said:
You need to read “Broke” by Glenn Beck, you need to get a different view.

“- The founding fathers drafted their legislation in a different time and world, while working with an agrarian economy, radically smaller government and nation, and nothing resembling the global economy we have today or even sixty years ago.”

—So Adam Smith doesn’t work and instead we must give Karl Marx a chance? Come on, this used to be the most powerful country in the world, Washington and Jefferson were obsessed about paying foreign debt, we became so good at meeting our obligations that when we needed money the world was all too willing to give.

Our citizens didn’t need no big government, if they needed help they would talk to their families, their friends, their church, charities, etc. Yet what happened? LBJ and his big society told women you can have a baby and get a welfare check even if you’re unmarried. So instead of putting the baby for adoption or getting married and being a two-income family, welfare became popular.

But thanks to progressivism and crony capitalism, we got too many people used to entitlements, why save for retirement when there’s social security and medicare? Why find a job when you can get unemployment benefits for 99 weeks? Why rent something you can afford when Fannie and Freedy will help you get an FHA loan with only 3% down (it used to be 20% and there was no such thing as the FHA).

“- Consumer protection and sensible regulation is good and prudent of any rational and responsible government.”

—So when the FDA doesn’t approve drugs that save lives how exactly are we being protected?

“- The loans to and subsequent restructuring of GM paid off immensely – they had the largest public offering on record and are profitable again. This not only saved thousands of jobs at GM, but also thousands of jobs in the manufacturing industry that relies on them.”

—GM has fired people, the only jobs saved were union jobs, jobs GM cannot afford. Toyota, Nisan, Honda are doing great without government bailouts, if GM can’t do the same it should be allowed to fail and their employees should look for work elsewhere.

Tell me, Nissan built an all-electric car that sells for $30,000, GM built the Volt which needs a $7,500 tax credit so it can be sold at $33,000. What does that tell you? It tells me that government makes things worse.

“- Having a government not “being in the way” led to child labor, harsh working conditions similar to what they still have in China, large trusts that did not cultivate healthy competition in the market but rather squelched it, et cetera, et cetera.”

—I thought you’d love China with their free healthcare, free education, and one-child policies. Besides, it’s the role of PARENTS to raise the kids, not government.

If you trust government so much, tell me what’s the last thing government did for you?

“Our citizens didn’t need no big government”??? Sounds like they might need another shot at some basic grammar, though.

“If they needed help they would talk to family, friends, church, charity, etc”? Really? And that worked out just FINE for EVERYONE, didn’t it? Well, except for those whose families were either non existent, or were poor too, or were estranged from them, or were abusive–and those who were not church members or did not want to violate their own religion by having to sit through a proseletyzing sermon at a wealthier church to get a bag of expired food, or did not live near a church with an extensive food pantry and ministry for the poor, or those who did not qualify for various charity organizations because they made just ever so slightly too much money trying to work a minimum wage job. DO you really think that poverty, homelessness, and other societal ills did not exist back then, because everyone depended on “family” or the church to help out in times of need?

“Why save for retirement when you can get Social Security and Medicare?” Are you bananas? DO you really think that someone making $25,000 a year and supporting a family on that has the money to save PLENTY for their retirement as well as PLENTY to cover all their medical expenses in old age? Get REAL!

“Why rent something you can afford when you can get subsidized housing loans?” Why indeed? Why not just pour 1/3 to 1/2 your monthly income into something that will never be yours–why, that’s the American Way, dont’cha know?

And for sure, why work when you can get unemployment? DO you have ANY IDEA how LITTLE you get for unemployment? Any idea at ALL? You think people are just sitting back with their feet up, living the life of ease and luxury on that tiny little check that won’t even pay the rent, much less all your bills? Yeah, those lazy people would rather not work and watch their families do without and starve on unemployment rather than work. We mustn’t encourage that! Sure, there’s double digit unemployment right now, but that’s ok–they can just “ask friends and family and the church for help”, right?

People like you are living in another world and seem to think everyone’s circumstances are exactly the same—tons of warm, loving, well to do family, a big, filthy rich church family ready to help out any time they beckon, a job that pays a living wage (instead of two jobs that don’t even add up to a living wage for one single person), plenty of income to save up hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay for all their retirement and medical needs, etc etc. But it’s not like that for everyone, or even for most people.

Some_Dude said:
I’d rather not read a book written by a self educated millionaire with clear bias and a demonstrated ignorance of the facts and processes of economics. Especially current events as they relate to the economy. I read actual economic books, as boring as that may sound to you – but thank you for the suggestion.

Again, the world is a different place now. Everyone, presumably, contributes to society, and yet not all have family and community structures to magically solve their problems when they fall on hard times (and many are without faith, such as myself). And why are egalitarian social programs bad, exactly? And does a woman need a man to care for her and her child? You seem to think the phrase “single mother” is a pejorative, and incorrectly assume that all, or even a majority, of single mothers collect welfare and do not work.

Progressive ideals actually stand against the tide that brought corruption and deregulation back in a big way. You’re blaming it because you’re obviously a conservative and partisan. It was conservative ideals and legislation that lead to “crony capitalism”. This is obvious, I have know idea how this escaped you. Well, you do rely upon books written by Glenn Beck for information……

Social Security is funded by ones payroll taxes, the more you contribute the more you’re entitled to. It can’t legally borrow, so it can’t contribute to the debt. This is, essentially, a mandatory and managed savings – I fail to see how that’s a bad thing.

I also think you’re painting with a broad brush again, and assuming that just because entitlements are available people choose not to work.

How often does this occur? Not much, and not for long. Decades go into the research of treatments and pharmaceuticals, and years into testing and peer review for safety. Should we just leave it up to the pharmaceutical companies to decide what’s safe and what’s not?

GM mostly fired dead weight, and lots of failed management. But that doesn’t negate the fact that the loans worked, and that they’re immensely successful and thousands of jobs were saved in the automotive industry because of it.

The government did not work on the research, design, fabrication, or pricing of either the Volt or this automobile from Nissan you’re referencing. I fail to see what point you’re trying to make. The Volt was named Motor Trend’s car of the year, however, and is generally accepted as being a very well made automobile by those that have tested it.

You think because I’m Liberal I would appreciate an oppressive government just because they have some of the same social program that all other first world nations aside form the United States have (nationalized health care)? By the way, we have free public education as well, and subsidized community colleges.

The electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy is providing the power I need to run this computer. The research made by DARPA and other government organizations, and the investment the government made in private research, is allowing us to communicate over something called the Internet right now.

I can take a a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility.

I can turn on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I can watch this this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I can get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I can deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.

After work, I can drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal’s inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

I could go on, but you get the picture. I sense you’re a well meaning and respectable person, just blinded by idealism and lack of information (with a healthy dose of misinformation).

And may I add that my husband, who is suffering from liver failure and needs a transplant, will now no longer be cut off from getting one because of lifetime limits by our health insurance.

And that my child won’t be denied coverage because he has a pre existing condition.

@greg………..”why save for retirement when there’s social security and medicare”

jeeeeezzzzuuusssss. come on really? You dont consider setting aside a sizeable portion of your check every pay day,saving? Should you be also saving ontop of that, of course. But you guys on the right always frame entitlements as being purely free money to bums, when in fact more honest hardworking people use them responsibly and play by the rules.

@some dude………….btw nice serve on greg,,,lol

nrgetick said:
@some dude………….btw nice serve on greg,,,lol

I don’t always bring the thunder. But when I do, I choose Dos Eq….I mean, actual facts and cogent arguments.