Since no one in the liberal media has the stones to bring it up, why not F&F? 

Now, I’m no fan of F&F. But they have a point. I mean why didn’t 0blamey order up a Chevy Volt Bus? $2.2M per bus would help out his little car company wouldn’t it? And create green jobs. Yay Barry!

Alas, our dollars went to Canada. Typical

Obama damage control, ACTIVATE!

Here we go with the trivialization of totally valid criticism.. Why is he going on this tour? Does he have a plan for jobs that he’s unveiling? NO!

..So much for “Made in America”, huh Mr. President

I wonder where those clothes the Fox and Friends are wearing are manufactured and also their studio equipment ie cameras, lights, production hardware and other assorted software. Also, aren’t they a foreign owned Corporation? And don’t come back with, “they’re not out promoting American jobs”, cuz yes they are……they not only “report” on the topic, but are also opinionated on it. Hypocrisy at its finest!

It’s been reported that the Secret Service ordered two of these armor-plated buses. One which is currently being used by the President and another reserved for the Republican nominee. 

If the lowest bid — which was submitted by an American company, who apparently subcontracted work to a factory within our closest trading partner — isn’t patriotic enough for some of President’s political opponents, perhaps he should use the other one because if you buy into the rhetoric, it must have been manufactured someplace else.

 Look at it this way.ObamAA+ is out on the road pushing for renewed American Manufacturing and job creations.ObamAA+ =Total failure.

So it’s his fault the American company outsourced? 

They’re not trolling the country giving lectures to people about how we need to buy American, or that we need to support American manufacturing and autos, or that we need to keep jobs here in America.

Obama’s doing that, and hence, the hypocrisy charge sticks.

Obama talks the talk. And that’s all he does. After this whirlwind tour through what his supporters like to call “flyover country,” he’s off to Martha’s Vineyard for yet another working-man-style vacation. Then maybe he’ll give a speech about jobs or something.

The only ones who confront our incompetent community organizer is Fox, Tea Party patrons and Joe the Plumbers.
Everyone knows the lame stream media has a slobbering love affair with the anointed one!

If President Super Patriot wasn’t making the centerpiece of his, um, ‘economic agenda’ the need for American taxpayer money to support American jobs and American workers, then maybe this wouldn’t seem like such a big deal.

Now off to another vacation for your hard-working President.

The buses do not belong to the President…the belong, are owned and operated by…the US Secret Service. Obama, is merely the first President to be in office with them at the disposal of the SS to protect whomever happens to be President. When Obama exits the executive branch…the buses will still be there, awaiting the use of the next President.

So…just be certain…you point your finger at the SS, not the President, who for lack of a better expression, is at the mercy of the SS.

He’s on TV right now talking about “Made in America”.  What a f’ing joke.

Maybe it’s a little meta, but the Quebec-based bus manufacturer (Prevost) features the “CNN Express” on the page advertising their convertible shell.

Hypocrisy at it’s finest is 0blamey’s speech he’s making at this very moment about “Made in America”.  Same speech that he made Monday. 

here we go again……more silly bitchin from FIXED & FRAUDS…you wingnuts are obsessed with everything this administration does…my guess is you habbits take issue with the bus and blame Obama the same way you took issue with his plane,helicopter and cars which were all commissioned under the Bush administration…..for some reason you racist peices of shit believe this president isnt entitled to the same perks that white presidents have had…you cry everytime he flys, rides, or walks on a sidewalk…its time to call BULLSHIT on you hobbits….the president ISNT gonna cancel a damn thing because you dumbasses dont want him to campaign against your worthless candidates…what you gonna do next klanspeople???…hang a NO NEGROES ALLOWED sign at the entrance to Marthas Vineyard????…it aint happening….4 years of you lying and Obama is still gonna kick the shit out whichever dumbfuck you truck out there

I’d explain how mistaken you are…but then, beating my keyboard against a wall, is a complete waste of time.

You are though, severely wrong.

Throws a hissy fit over his blatent waste of time and taxpayer money campaigning, while the county goes to hell in a handbasket. Is that what Mediaite meant to say?

Thats you being wrong Montgomery.

btw, what does a geriatric foot in the mouth taste like?

You are a bigoted person. Thanks for displaying your ignorance for all to see.

You are a bigoted person. Thanks for displaying your ignorance for all to see.

I believe pretty much all of the candidates are pushing jobs, plus most endorse trade.

You assclowns aren’t complain”n about Canadian made oil! Funny?

Of course Faux News wouldn’t report that an American company got the bid and subcontracted the work to a Canadian company because the facts don’t fit their predetermined narrative. This is what Faux News does lie, distort, and misrepresent it’s the staple upon which the brand was built.  Did F&F report on Newt “made in America” Gingrich or Herman Cain selling foreign made campaign t-shirts? No,because it doesn’t fit their narrative.

Seeing as someone has 420 in the sn on this site, I think you are the one that is severely wrong.

Perhaps if you put down the weed, you could put together a sentence. I’m not necessarily attacking, however I did just read an article about weed in a women’s health magazine and they’re a liberal publication. Might want to put it down.

No, it’s his fault that he hired incompetent interns or other administration individuals that didn’t look up this fact.

These buses are par for the course for an Africa born muslim who was then assembled in Hawaii, Malaysia himself, who then spent 20 years once he reached our shores in the front pew of an America and white folks haters church,but he wants us to he never once inhaled throughout those 20 years.

You horrible little minds…stop assigning blame to the wrong person or persons.

Me, I’d jump for the ceiling if Obama was to resign his office. But…damned if I”m going to hold him responsible for things that simply are not within his power to do.

You piss ants…have GOT to get a clue. You will find your energy and efforts much better utilized pursuing reality instead of fantasy. :)

Thank you Canada for helping USA securing our president as you know, we are incapable of building this type of armor vehicle. We dont need to work because we have our big government that can support us. If you need anything let us know, we’ll print more money as we print more money than the nytime print their papers.
The BEST president EEVVVEEERRRRR!!!!!!….YEEEEEEEHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

nawwwww…hardly a bigot…..just a realist……im sick of you asswipes and your overt racism…..i’ll never be ashamed to call you hobbits exactly what you are and what many of you have been since the day chris columbus landed in america with a hull full of slaves….you are what you are…. your being in denial dont fly with me….

Mediaite calls it a Hissy fit.. When the jobs are supposed to be the number one priority for the president, and they procure a vehicle that is not made in USA, Mediaite calls it a hissy fit.
Obama talks nice about creating jobs, may be he does not understand how the jobs are created. It helps if you buy the products made in USA. The taxpayers supported the bail-out of US auto-industry, but WH had to go to Canada to buy the buses. The same buses that are being used to promote jobs-agenda by the White House.
Mark! you are a disgrace in promoting your anti-FOX, or pro-Obama agenda, by calling it a ‘hissy fit’. Did you win any brownie points for the WH.

Are there any purely US companies which make buses? 

Prevost seems to do some manufacturing within the US, but based on this story, I have to assume that the parts were assembled in Canada. A quick glance and a few clicks through the appropriate Yahoo! directory hasn’t thus far produced any American-owned, totally American-made and American-assembled companies.

There is no such monster as ‘liberal’ media.

Really, it might be best for you to get out and see the world a bit before rambling anymore on things you nothing of.

Fox and Friends throws a fit when the President wakes up in the morning. Too bad they haven’t thrown a fit over Rep. Joe Walsh being a deadbeat dad, or our President being called a Tar Baby, or the lies of Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann.  Fox and Friends has zero credibility.

Best part about this article is that by the time you reach “hissy fit” in the hed, you know everything about the article.

It’s the “Obama Job Canadian Bus Tour”.
The only job he’s trying to save is his own. Everyone knows it, even the leftist hacks that write for Media/MessNBCite, which is why they’re having a hissy fit over F&F.

Those who deny there is a liberal media bias are either stupid or a liar.  Which would you like to be?

youre right wally….the hobbits are fighting toof and nail to get the trans canada pipeline approved…they are using laws to throw Americans off their land they want no regulations on the size and type of pipe used and want to run it right though the aquafier and risk the water supply for millions of people….all so that their corporate overloads the Coke Brothers con make another billion off their backs

Well well well…another erroneous judgment based on severely limited data.

You poor thing, but, its a good thing dumb luck is on your side.

Hey Fox & Friends aren’t the ones who implemented the “made in America Only” policy so what’s the problem with them calling out the president on yet another rule that doesn’t apply to him. Your rhetoric is extreme and really misplaced. We could care less if he is campaigning – has he ever really stopped?

The fact is, us ‘hobbits’ are sick of Obama, he’s unoriginal, uninspiring, and out of touch. Draping himself in the American flag with a giant red barn as a backdrop won’t change how ineffective he has been as the Leader of the Free World. 

Michelle, shouldn’t you be in a pew at Rev. Wright’s church stuffing your face with tamales and french fries?

from Hotair.com:

Why not use a manufacturer based in the US?  I’m certain that Complete Coach Works in California could use the work, for instance, or North American Bus Industries in Alabama.  Setra USA manufactures its buses in Greensboro, North Carolina, a key state that Obama could easily lose in 2012.  Wouldn’t a $2.2 million buy there have turned a few heads?  For that matter, Obama could have bought them from Motor Coach Industries and picked them up in his home state of Illinois at the start of his tour.

you musta missed the last half of my post…..no they don’t have to “troll” the country in a bus to do this, because they easily do it from their foreign-owned studio in nyc while wearing foreign made clothes and using foreign made production equipment……f&f and fox in general don’t only promote the news on this topic but are opinionated in favor of promoting American jobs and thus the hypocrisy charge sticks….so there!

Well what about the story about Rick Perry showing American ingenuity with Bioware’s Mass Effect….even though it was made by Bioware’s Canadian studio?

http://kotaku.com/5831092/rick-perrys-idea-of-american-ingenuity-is-a-canadian-video-game

Some “liberal media”. Nary a mention of this story off of the video game blogs….

from Hotair.com:

Why not use a manufacturer based in the US?  I’m certain that Complete Coach Works in California could use the work, for instance, or North American Bus Industries in Alabama.  Setra USA manufactures its buses in Greensboro, North Carolina, a key state that Obama could easily lose in 2012.  Wouldn’t a $2.2 million buy there have turned a few heads?  For that matter, Obama could have bought them from Motor Coach Industries and picked them up in his home state of Illinois at the start of his tour.

Can you provide some evidence for that, please?

Not to quibble but….where are the American flags and American symbols on this bus?

I mean, isn’t this the President of the United States in this thing? Why does it look like something some Goth musician would use instead of one that represents the people of the United States?

You’d think the persident would have a flag or two on his bus, wouldn’t you?

Answers, anyone?

On television and cable, there is no liberal media. Corporate, opportunist capitalist profiteering media yes,  but liberal…no way, no how, no nada.

They’re there to generate income, they’ve no passion for the products they push.

“you wingnuts are obsessed with everything this administration does”

How dare a news organization pay attention to the government!

And then the rest of your post is just more swearing and racism.  Typical.

You. Are. A. Racist.

Care to address the actual point being made about the taxpayers’ dollars going to Canada?  Or did you miss that part while bogarting that blunt?

TransCanada is NOT and american company…I personally worked on part of the pipeline already in place and trancanada subed the the work out to american based companies….mainly Haliburton which is the company formally led by dick cheney…..thats why FOX News favors the project so much…..if hobbits were smart enough to follow the money they would realize that haliburton and the koch brothers which owns pumping stations along the pipeline make a fortune…..republicans realize how dumb their followers are and use their dumb asses to advance their money grubbing agenda

Hmm, the first thing I’d like to mention is Stalin’s Train Car, which is now displayed in Georgia (the country) is green and nowhere near as menacing as our President’s Bus?

I know this smacks of “Godwins Law,” however, there is something brutally cavalier about what I perceive as a lack of concern for the republican process in America, by Obama and company.  As if we are all on the train to nowhere and we are going to like it, or else!
 
As for “Godwins Law”: That bus and the procession, (without disrespect for the professional and dedicated security) disturbs me.  Is there a definite tactical reason for the Black Machines, or is it another racist snub?  (just kidding)  Anyway, did you ever notice that in the past 100 or so years, all “evil empire’s” militaries “goose step?”  The Soviets, North Koreans, Japanese and the NAZIs, etc.

Cant you just picture the US Navy SEALs goose stepping?  Ouch!

Purveyor

 This is getting so stupid. This from a company who’s owner is australian and who’s major share holder is an arab. These guys just never quit.

It’s the Obama ”Megadeath” of the US economy media “loves me” campaign I’ll-give-a-speech bus tour! 

How is this a listening tour?  He gives a speech and takes a few “hard” questions from loving supporters.  Yes, real world listening tour in his stealth bus. 

Canadian or not, there is something just creepy about those menacing Black Marias/

“Democrats creation of the entitlement class will prove out to be their very own Frankenstein monster”

Pot meet kettle.  You made a judgement about me a few posts ago… something about getting out in the world. “based on severely limited data”.

Those who deny that all Republicans are child molesters are either child molesters or liars. Or, in your case, both.

lol…LOL…

You’ve no idea where the VAST majority of your fuel is purchased from do ya now…eh.

Or how about this, the overwhelming amount of spending by the federal government is done where? Oh right….not in the US.

Look, lets take a walk yo and I, and we’ll see about finding you the right tree to bark up. :)

http://news.yahoo.com/video/politics-15749652/obama-wants-to-see-koreans-driving-chevys-fords-and-chryslers-26255644.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fpolitics-15749652%252Fobama-wants-to-see-koreans-driving-chevys-fords-and-chryslers-26255644.html

Oblamey
Obuttfucker
Oblowme
Obastard
Oburgerwithfries
Obunghole
Obuggerall
It’s when Its is correct

Being a Teatard is easy!

Sure, there are a number of things Obama might want to do regarding jobs. He would love another stimulous of some kind, since there is a much better chance that the government can spur private sector hirings than the free market, which has no faculty for human emotion. But let’s face it, be honest, what chance would any Obama stimulous or jobs bill have of passing the house? Zero. So he needs to be out there changing that for 2012. And again, all these repub candidates are out there taking pot shots at him, why should he not respond?

Nice try, but he’s been a US citizen more than 25 years.  The Secret Service ordered the buses, ordered them in black, and for whatever reason ordered them from Canada.  Even so the optics are silly, would be even better if it was made up in the colors of some foreign socialist country – that’d make for some entertaining talking points.

Lets tear down the Washington Monument!!!

Its outrageous that it was constructed, in part, with foreign granite and marble!

Thats our tax dollars…paying to maintain a foreign product!

It certainly does not take much of an issue to get you blasting off into CAP LOCK talk, eh Shark?

What did the retarded weatherman say?

Eric5150…

“Pot meet kettle.  You made a judgement about me a few posts ago… something about getting out in the world.”

You provided the information, a perfect snapshot in fact. Now please, I’ve my lawn to mow, and I can’t continue to stop and try to get you on the road to accuracy. I do though, wish you good thoughts that you, somehow, someway, find yourself on the right side of reality.

I am afraid, Mr. potleaf, that you are the one who doesn’t know what you are talking about.

What kind of pussy is meanced by a black bus?

You are an unbelievably stupid individual.

So your view is that hearing someone talk means that you accept what they say? Is that your point?

Based upon their website, Complete Coach Works does the same type of work as the Tennessee company; they convert buses made by someone else.

Setra is a division of Daimler-Benz (Germany); North American Bus Industries does some assembly in the US, but their buses are partially manufactured in Hungary and based on their job listings, Motor Coach has their factory in Winnipeg.

uggggggg lol this is so dumb its almost funny.

Of course he does not have any kind of plan, period, save getting reelected. His utter lack of respect for his own office is reflected in his lack of interest in being president and his focus on being elected president. He is unable to lead due to his inexperience and ineptitude, so now he starts campaigning for his own reelection before his term is near over. If you count the trips, and parties, and vacations he has taken he has actually worked as president for only one third of his term to date. For him it is all about the title and nothing about the actual job.

I posted the following in response to your reply to your reply to my previous comment, where you copied and pasted this same info, so I’m going to do the same.
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Based upon their website, Complete Coach Works does the same type of work as the Tennessee company; they convert buses made by someone else. Setra is a division of Daimler-Benz (Germany); North American Bus Industries does some assembly in the US, but their buses are partially manufactured in Hungary and based upon their job listings, Motor Coach has their factory in Winnipeg.

Fox and friends…..  What a league of total right winged idiots and losers.

You might be a right winger if:

… you think the right to life ends at birth.
… you think that corporations have more compassion than humans.
… you think trickle down economics actually trickles down.
… you understand that getting people to vote on abortion issues will keep you in office and let you pass tax cuts for the upper class.
You think that the best way to protect people from illegal drugs is to put them in prison.
You think “compassionate conservatism” is when you feel sorry for the homeless guy sleeping in the gutter as you step over him on your way to a $1000 a plate fundraiser for Tom Delay.
You are opposed to increasing the minimum wage and in favor of repealing taxes on inherited wealth.
You are opposed to Affirmative Action in college admissions and attended a private university as a “legacy.”
You really believe that cutting taxes increases government revenues.
You believe in “Liberty and Justice for All” (rich, white, straight men)
You rant and rave about Liberals but have never actually met any.
You actually think that Fox News does not “spin.”
You are rotating so fast that you think Fox News is standing still and the rest of the world is spinning.
You dodged the draft during Viet Nam (with Daddy’s help) and now you question the courage and patriotism of men who came back with medals (and scars) and understand wars are bad.
You think that a president lying about getting a blowjob is far more serious than a president lying about the reasons for starting a war.
You think it is treasonous for a newspaper to report that the government is lying, using torture, invading someone’s privacy or breaking the law but think it’s okay for them to expose the identity of a covert CIA agent for partisan purposes.
you’re for tax cuts for the rich because you actually believe that one day you’ll be rich.  You might be a right-wing Repugnant, oops, I mean Republican, if you’re against abortion but don’t give a damn about those babies once they’re born.  you try to make it complicated, but all Jesus was really saying was “Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.”  you think that (compared to you), a whiskey-guzzling, coke-sniffing, draft-dodging loser is the cream of the American crop and the best this country could offer up for President.  you believe you protect freedom by sacrificing it.  You think Liberal slant is bad, but think Right Wingerslant is just fine You can’t see that claiming everyone else is acommunist while your party’s color is red is beinghypocritical. You claim that speaking out against a president justbecause he’s George W Bush is un-American andunpatriotic, yet speaking out against Clinton eventhough he was president is being a good, patrioticAmerican. You believe that Ted Kennedy should be condemned forChappaquiddick, but Laura Bush should be forgiven forkilling her ex-boyfriend while she was driving. You don’t see that if the Dixie Chicks had beencommenting on Clinton, you would be praising theminstead of trashing their CDs. The ‘lefty liberal Hollywood types’ don’t have theright to criticize Dubya’s policy’s and/or decisions,but the right-winger control freaks can criticizeClinton all they want A person protesting against W is un-patriotic,un-American and should be shot, but a personprotesting against Clinton is merely exercising hisfirst amendment right You believe that the worst Republican in the world isbetter than the best Democrat. Abortion is murder, but killing the children in Iraqis liberating them Clinton getting a blow job by a woman not his wife isan impeachable offense, but starting a war of lies byW, allowing prisoners to be tortured and takingfreedoms away from your own countrymen is not. You tell us to “get over it” because Bush took asecond term, but you still haven’t gotten overClinton, Liberals and France. You believe that W is a ‘man of God’ although he doeseverything Christianity tells us NOT to do. You are offended by Clinton’s extramarital affair, butaren’t concerned when W starts wars on lies and hasthousands of innocents killed because of it. 
…You think NPR should be shut down.  …You think $3,000 is a fair price for your vote (what Gov. Bush gave Texas teachers in a pay raise shortly before announcing his candidacy for president in 2000).  …You actually believe the election results in 2000 and 2004 were correct.
…You believe free-speech is a felony.
…You think the USA is the only ‘free’ country in the world.
…You think the USA is the ONLY Super Power (because you have never heard of the EU).
…You think national health care should be run by the insurance companies.
Thanks for the opportunity to do this.Santa Fe Dreamer …you take dinner conversation cues from Bill O’Reilly: Normal person: “Pass the salt.” Right-wing Republican: “SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!” …any time you’re cornered into defending lawbreaking Republicans, you bring up Ted Kennedy and that’s supposed to be the end of the argument….you WANT Jean Schmidt….you look like a moron on any talk show that isn’t hosted by one of your buddies. (See O’Reilly on Letterman)…”n*****” is a staple of your vocabulary….you are angry for reasons you can’t explain, talking it out only makes you angrier, and the only way to make you feel better is to quash someone socially below you….you can hear, but are physically incapable of listening….you spout talking points that have been proven false, hoping that it’ll stick anyway….you believe our president and government “just wouldn’t do things to hurt its citizens.”…the phrase “eminent domain” is like a symphony to your ears.~Kathleen Guilfoy 
you value democracy, yet you hate democrats. – Slayton Myers
you firmly believe that the poor folks that got stuck in New
Orleans are to blame for their own plight for not having the good sense to
have high paying jobs that would have allowed them to purchase cars/SUVs
to get out of town and afford hotels in safe areas. (Or having the
good sense to be born into money.)
your head is up Uranus
you fail to see Ann Coulter as nothing more than every blonde joke
made flesh.
You believe federal judges MAKE laws – upper36@hotmail.com
you’re a “good Christian” but you hate more people than you love.
if you think Bush, not Cheney, is in charge
if you think Bach is
beer. (Savaroque@aol.com)
you think Jesus would support the death penalty, war, environmental
destruction, the reduction of rights to women and minorities, and the
cruel treatment of some prisoners in Guantanamo Bay the idea that Bush II might be lying about his faith in Christ
causes a pain behind your eyes.
if you think fighting in Iraq (or anywhere else) is like a computer
game, and you think that troops should have to complete level one to
get their body armor.
if you think Vietnam vets who supported Kerry should be booed on
4th of July.
if you think corporate interests are national interests.
you think Tom Delay has class
you think Universal Health Care is bad but Corporate Welfare is
good
you finally have a news channel you can trust in Fox.
You believe that bombing Iraq has anything to do with September 11.
you believe Barbara Bush is a sweet old lady, who wouldn’t hurt a fly
you have bumper stickers that read “nuke his ass” next to “I support life.”
you believe less ozone is better for a quicker tan.
you support the AK-47′s becoming legal. “It’ll keep them doughnut eating cops on their toes.”
You think Jesus is the same blond haired, blue eyed, white, Aryan
featured dude as in the picture on your fridge.- Nick
you think Jesus Christ was a great conservative political  philosopher
you think acid rain helps cleans your driveway.
you believe “smok ‘em out” is written in foreign policy.
your rifle gets more fondling than your wife.
you think no child left behind is a new bus service to the KKK rally.
you use “uh” as the seventh vowel.
you think Bush is the closest thing to God because of his ability to cause an apocalypse.
you think David Duke is from Hazzard County.
you are encouraged by Bush’s C+ average scholastic history. “Gee, even you could rule the free world.”
you think ‘Hail to the Chief’ would sound better being played on a steel guitar.
you confuse Stephanopoulos with Snuffagolpolus.
you believe Jesse Jackson is the anti-Christ and Jerry Falwell should be referred to “his popeness.”
you are certain Bush has created jobs because you have three to pay for your heat bill.
you think “Dueling Banjos” should be the prelude for every press conference.
you thought “need some wood” in the debates promoted Viagra.
you believe the Iraqi elections will be fair just like ours.
you are against gay marriage but have no problem marrying your cousin.
you believe it was Clinton’s fault for leaving to much money to play with.
you think Colin Powell should be replaced by Cooter.
you think Martin Luther King is the guy who built your street.
you blame Clinton for having jobs to lose.
you hate Michael Moore so much your thermostats read in Celsius.
you think mercury in your fish adds flavor.
you think the Republican Party likes you for more than your money.

You seem to miss the hypocrisy of Mr 0bama’s Made in America pitch today.  You seem to miss the irony in owning part of several automobile manufacturers and not utilizing them.  You seem to miss the irony of not utilizing the precious green energy community for these buses.  Your specious facts about spending are nothing but deflecting.  Fuel?  Too funny, your Dim (D) heroes will see to it that we create as little domestic fuel as possible and redistribute as much American wealth to other countries as possible.  Which is the whole point in his bus money going to Canada. 

By the way, drop the LOLs.  They’re embarrassing and further undermine your already limited credibility

So far he has done nothing to alleviate unemployment, in fact he has made the problem worse. Government meddling in the private sector is why we are still having high unemployment numbers. Work is about producing goods and services, not emotion. Emotion is a key point for liberal/progressive politics and that is why we see such division in government. Liberals use emotional appeals to keep spending at all time high levels while demanding that the rich pay more and more to sustain the people who have no self motivation to work. I know you will disagree but there is a certain element in this country who are perfectly happy to take tax money as entitlement to sustain their lifestyle without having to produce anything. So why shouldn’t republicans take pot shots at him? He has made himself an easy target.

But not a child molester or a liar.

Those two buses the property of the United States. It just so happens they came on stream during the Obama Administration, they’ll be available for future use by Republicans and Democrats who occupy the Presidency. So what’s the problem Fixed Noise? Can’t get pass it being broken into by a black man?

The federal government has to buy from the lowest bidding company capable of doing the work and in this case, it was Hemphill Brothers of Tennessee.

Also as I’ve noted elsewhere in these comments, there appear to be no US-owned bus companies, who manufacture entirely within the United States.

Fox and Friends are morons.  They’re idiots. Many of the things they “report” are at best half-truths or simply lack of knowledge.  At worst, they are lies. 

Yes, the shell of the bus was made in Canada, but most of the rest of the bus, including the interior, was made in Tennessee.  The Secret Service ordered these, not Obama.  The Secret Service has been concerned for awhile about leasing buses for Presidents and Presidential candidates to ride around in.  It should be noted that the 2nd bus will be used by the Republican nominee for POTUS.

I wonder if any of these F&F morons use Blackberries?  Blackberries are produced by Research in Motion, a Canadian company headquartered in Ontario. 

These jerks on F&F make fun of the fact that Obama should have had a “green” bus, and perhaps he should have.  But you know that the cost would be even more, and then F&F would criticize him for spending so much money and would have suggested that he not buy a “green” bus.

Same as the Statue of Liberty.  Tear it down……don’t spend the money to fix it up because it came from France!

No, they ordered them from a company in Tennessee.  Probably a fricking republican at that.

The creation of the Fox News Network resulted in a few less than 2000 american jobs being created–directly (i.e. their employment).  They rescued a few notables from unemployment caused by liberal policy (hello, Juan Williams).

Contrasted with traditional media, Fox is indeed “biased” towards America.  Remember CBS’ Mike Wallace: 
Wallace proclaimed that if he were traveling with
enemy soldiers he would not warn U.S. soldiers of an impending ambush…

Look carefully at the front of the bus and you will probably see two small American flags – just like you find on the front of the president’s limousine.

I was thinking the same thing about you.

I’m sure the person who procured the bus was NOT the president.  It is the Secret Service’s responsibility and since the company is located in Tennessee, they probably thought it was a US company.  Now, if FOX was interested in bringing all the manufacturing – 1.2 Million jobs lost to China during the Bush administration- back to the US, perhaps we would have more manufacturers here for our purchases.

look at it this way – if it hadn’t been for the President, you wouldn’t have ANY automakers in the US.

You speak common sense – something missing with these hateful posts these days.

And we all use foreign made components in foreign made computers to make comments on this story on the web – so what is your point? There are more industries affected by the Obama administrations handling of the economy than just the manufacturing sector. Unemployed, highly educated workers are entering a new era of long term unemployment because of this administration’s failed policies. Seeing him galavanting around in an armored bus is not helping the job market to recover from this slumping economy. He is running for reelection earlier than any past president and that is his focus – not doing his job of leading the country. You’re damn right some of us don’t like this, but it isn’t because his bus was not made in the USA, it is because he is the lousiest president of all time.

So, by your logic Liberals are anti-business?  thanks for letting us know. 

wow, I continue to be amazed by the White House admin’s incompetence.  You don’t go on a ‘jobs’ campaign tour bus in anything but a made-in-the-USA bus.  EVER.   The bus tour was always a bad PR move, but don’t add to it.   It also should have been a green bus, such as the fuel cell buses I’m seeing in Connecticut right now (I think it’s UTC produced).  Wonder how much ‘stimulus’ dollars went oversees?  Wonder which MSM besides FNC will investigate that?

Ah you might want to redirect that “Made in America” shot to Hemphill Brothers Coach. 

Speak again oh wise one.  You posses a vast and insightful intellect, that has thouroughly chastised me…  Oh wait, thats all you did, was call me a euphemism for female pudendum.  Hmm, what wisdom have you imparted on me as well as other readers?

Maybe you aren’t as smart as I first thought?

As the late  Roseanne Roseannadana (Gilda Radner) would say:  NEVER MIND!   

(DWARF,  I recommend a name change, to “NEVER MIND.”  Is much more fitting as I suspect you say things quite often, you wish you had not.)  LOL

Purveyor of Rhetoric

insanity is doing the same thing over and over again.  Also, when you dig yourself into a hole, stop digging…

He’s the President of the US on a jobs tour campaign.  You really don’t see the incompetence and irony of the bus being made in Canada?  Seriously?

If you knew ANY thing about how the SS works, you would delete your comment.. seriously? Oh something your F&F omitted in their story,(1) the permanent buses cost less than leasing (2) the 2nd one , if anyone asks why, is for the republican candidate for office

Obama also said in his speech that he wanted to see three words on every product in the country, “Made In America”. He’s a moron and a hypocrite.

“TMP”

I find it funny that F&F have the nerve to mention it.  What would they have said if the President had dictated where the bus was built?  My point is that they are somehow now Greens and Protectionists in FOX clothing?  They have a point, but it is just the hypocrisy they profit on.       

His user name Eric 5150…..5150 is the penal code section here in California for CRAZY. Tells you a lot that that’s how he want referred too.

If you don’t like Fox, switch on over to the truthiness crusaders on MSDNC – maybe start with The Ed Show. Much more your speed.

A “hissy fit”, huh? You don’t say, Mediate….

Dwarf_W_Rug 1 hour ago in reply to doodaddio
But not a child molester or a liar.Oh, but I believe that is exactly what you are. With this last comment you prove my case.

“Wallace proclaimed that if he were traveling with
enemy soldiers he would not warn U.S. soldiers of an impending ambush…”

Myron Leon “Mike” Wallace (born May 9, 1918)  -  Too bad he wasn’t traveling with enemy soldiers, we could have avoided a large part of his liberal crap by now.

It would be advisable for the Republican nominee to have this thing swept for surveillance equipment.

America! Leading the world in bitching and crying.

You have to be kidding me.

I’m just wondering if we can call it a “black” bus…

The Secret Service is a part of the Executive Branch and Obama is the head of the Executive Branch, so who do you think is at the mercy of whom?

You really have to be being paid to believe that junk you just posted.

Fox and Idiots should talk to the company about why they outsource their manufacturing.  I bet we’ll learn that the story is incorrect because half the stories coming out of Fox and Idiots are totally wrong.  

Regardless of who ordered it it was under his approval at some point. fact is it was not built by American UNION workers. So spin away.

I suggest you rely on MSNBC and the Huffington Post (oops, they’re one in the same) for your information.  Nothing but credible, balanced coverage over there . . . NOT.

Here is great clip about Palin’s bus and Obama’s bus…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBeqRqOdjGg

Wow, a leftie pulling the race card.  Who could’ve predicted THAT?

MORON

Watch the language, liberal fool. Your agressive tone and in your face rhetoric is one reason the liberals are looked at with low regard and looked upon as hateful bigots. The Panthers are just as wrong as the Klan, and you promoting the attitude of the Panthers will not help matters.

It would be nice if Obama would actually work at being president, then he would not have to run for a second term halfway through his first term. No president has done this before him. He is running this diversion to hide from the truth that he has made the economy and job markets worse since he has been in office instead of better.

Time for him to be gone.

“since the day chris columbus landed in america with a hull full of slaves”…

You have to study American History better if you think that is true.

Is hobbits code for white?

I don’t care what flies with you. The denial is on your side.

Government meddling in the private sector – what exactly does that mean?  Obama needs a jobs plan in one breath and get the government out of our business in the next breath. What jobs can he give beside government jobs? I have just one question – since the tax cuts have been in effect and renewed by Obama what corporate jobs have been created by the “job creators”? I need a job I don’t care who gives it to me I just want business to stop sitting on their enormous profits and open the job market.  One last comment Obama commissioned the bus from a Tennessee, last I looked a State in the United States, entity and they outsourced the job to Canada – oh now I know why I don’t have a job

So you believe being a Teatard is tough.  Given your capabilities, I’m not surprised.

Yeah, a leftie just calling out all that noise emitting from F&F

I do every time I pay for it at the pump. Waalllee – you should not call others your pet name.

The Prime Minister in Canada recently authorized the purchase of $9 billion worth of new fighter jets to be built in the US by Lockheed Martin. Who cares if Obama buys a couple of million dollars worth of bus shells in Canada.

toof? Coke Brothers?

Right. You are dumb as a tow sack full of rocks.

They have a lot of airtime to be filled by AIR HEADS.

Oh, but all the MSM outlets that are in the tank for Obama don’t filter their reporting? Yeah, right.

Congratulations on spelling Koch properly, but you should also capitalize a proper name. One day when you are not blinded by racism and denial you will be able to write as if you had an education.

Congratulations on spelling Koch properly, but you should also capitalize a proper name. One day when you are not blinded by racism and denial you will be able to write as if you had an education.

Canada is our biggest importer of crude oil, I wonder do they bitch when filling-up at the service station about all that non-American gasoline.

I inferred no such thing. And sense you need the obvious explained to you…liberals would not be in business were they, anti-business. What I said was…there is no liberal media.

btw…speaking of liberalism…why are you sporting the liberal, Christopher Gadsden flag?

And that’s just getting things started!

More nonsense on your part. Though, it is ironic that you’ve no grasp of the term, irony. As wel, I’ve no democrat heroes. They’re only slight less frightening and bought out by corporate interests than thoughtless psychos of the republican party…who if they had their way, would allow corporations do whatever in hell they want. No matter the costs to human lives and the environment. Its tragic you don’t see that. But it is, the reality the right, whos minds prove they live in constant fear of everything they’re told to fear.

And I’m not going to stop bursting with laughter until such time as people stop making me laugh so damn much.

Face it. For some people, Obama can’t do *anything* right.

Magister can post links about this “non-story” but can’t be taken seriously because it contains facts and logic.  Two things many people on this topic thread are incapable of understanding.

Because, obviously, it’s Obama’s fault that US companies outsource.  I mean, it certainly wasn’t happening prior to this Administration.  Oh, no.

But, Mediaite, you so had me at “Fox and Friends Throws a Hissy Fit”…

Because, doesn’t F&F always throw a hissy fit? 

Usually while being wide-eyed and r-tards (channeling Stan/Randy Marsh for that word…)

I mean, it’s not like their ultimate boss sanctioned hacking, right?  And paid the hackers?  Could you imagine the hissy fit of Peroxide, Botox and the Deuce if that happened?!

And Newscorp’s second largest shareholder is a Saudi prince. What’s your point?

Hits a little too close to home, don’t it there, trudat?

The left is quick to make excuses for their Savior. How many jobs did the US get from that company that subcontracted to the Canadian company to build the buses? Which company bigwigs profited from this Government contract? How much did they get from the Taxpayers for this maneuver? Who in that nasty corporation that the Democrats used to funnel money to Canada for this subcontracting job, have links to the Democrats and the White House? All these questions would be headline news if it were George Bush or a Republican who pulled this money switch with taxpayers dollars.

I think Ed Schultz or Rachel Maddow should get right on this.

“TMP”

The left is quick to make excuses for their Savior. How many jobs did the US get from that company that subcontracted to the Canadian company to build the buses? Which company bigwigs profited from this Government contract? How much did they get from the Taxpayers for this maneuver? Who in that nasty corporation that the Democrats used to funnel money to Canada for this subcontracting job, have links to the Democrats and the White House? All these questions would be headline news if it were George Bush or a Republican who pulled this money switch with taxpayers dollars.

I think Ed Schultz or Rachel Maddow should get right on this.

“TMP”

Shhh…don’t tell them our trade partner, closest ally, and nation that watches our back no questions asked…also purchases billions in sea and land based war machines as well.

Obama to unveil jobs plan in major Sept. speech

The speech: “I use US taxpayer dollars to buy CANADIAN-BUILT campaign buses that I use for my US taxpayer-funded re-election campaign – thus creating JOBS IN CANADA.”

If canadian-style socialized healthcare is good for America, then canadian-built buses are too !

How ridiculous..the body was made in the Canada, but, it was built here in Tennessee probably by non-union labor. There’s virtually nothing 100% USA made.

And in related news, Michelle Bachmann reports that the bus costs $200 million a day to fuel.

How exactly would you describe it? Pulitzer caliber questioning!

How exactly would you describe it? Pulitzer caliber questioning!

Just thought I would point out that there is more automotive manufacturing activity in the Province of Ontario than in any of the 50 states.
Also, it occurs to me that if the US is going to have trade agreements with other nations, (which are necessary), then having one with a nation that is on equal footing would be the right way to go.  The minimum wage in Ontario is $10.25/hr.  It varies a bit from province to province, but remains mostly the same across the country.
Hell, you never know–increased trade with Canada may even raise wages in The States.

Until this administration manages to stabilize the economy and stops manipulating it by printing money and spending like sailors on liberty, we will continue to see businesses holding on to their money and working to retain their market share. It is simple math, if they haven’t got money for capital the cannot stay in business. Taxes are only part of the problem. There are many facets to the current economic problems we face, but the Obama administration and members of Congress have done nothing to stop the hemorrhaging of cash from the treasury.

The current debt ceiling debacle is a prime example of the problems that they could have avoided. Quadrupling the national debt at a time when we were in recession was the worst course of action that Congress and the president could have pursued, yet they rushed headlong into the disaster. Failing to control spending and failing to create and pass a budget is what got us here more than outsourcing or off-shoring jobs.

The reason we have a tight job market has multiple causes, but when leadership fails to do the things they have control over and allows the downhill slide of the economy brings into question what the true motivation behind their actions was. Since they did not do what they should to arrest the spending, and did not do what they should by making this country operate on a budget that reels in all the unnecessary expenditures then they are complicit in the predicament we find ourselves in today.

There is no sense in candy-coating this, the Obama administration and the Congress working together have failed the American people and as such deserve to be fired. The first step Mr. Obama wants to take on the jobs issue is create another department of the federal government. More waste, more expense and no more real jobs.

Don’t lay the blame at the feet of business exclusively, they have two powerful partners in the Congress and President, and they have caused far more havoc in the job market than business has.

I’m not spinning.  I am telling the facts.  The shell of the bus was made in Canada, but an American company put the whole bus together.  You are bashing that American company as well, if you are criticizing President Obama for this purchase.

I don’t know if you are being facetious or not about American UNION workers, but I will say that while I have never been in a union, I am pro-union.  My father was a teacher in a teachers’ union.

But I wonder if Hemphill Brothers, the Nashville Tennessee company that the Secret Service ordered the bus from, is a union company or not? 

Further, if you are using this situation to bash President Obama, go to Hemphill Brothers’ web site and look at their list of customers, especially those listed under “Other.”  This list includes President Bush, Senator John McCain, ex-governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, Fred Thompson, and Sarah Palin.

From the looks of the possible Teapublican nominees, the money could be betters spent of a brain transplant.

Had the White House violated the federal purchasing regulation you Teatards would have had tantrums because Pres. Obama was “wasting tax dollars.” You’re just an Obama-hater.

You really just have to shake your head at the so-called news media.  One network reports the FACTS, and the media who won’t report the facts say the one who is reporting the facts is throwing a hissy fit.

News = hissy fits, if that news is anything other than what HE allows to be written about HIM.  Unbeleivable.

want to edit this statement?

I think you mean’t to say Canada exports crude oil to the U.S., which is the biggest importer of Canadian crude.  
U.S. – imports
Canada – exports

Please show us how this is “news.”

Actually, that bus shell comes standard with a Detroit Diesel engine, built in the Canadian city of Detroit. The transmission was built in the beautiful Canadian city of Indianapolis by obviously Canadian workers.  Hell, even the rear view and side mirrors were built in Elkhart, Indiana.

Nobody was bashing anyone – slow freaking news day and mediaite picked up a non story that Fox ran.
Mediaite had to sensationalize the headline cause who the hell really cares.  
All the Fox haters decided to hold a meeting.
We just dropped in to watch the freak parade, and you didn’t disappoint.Now you guys are all spinning out of control.  

My bad.

you wrote all that bull shit all by yourself?  Of course not – perhaps you should credit the left wing blog where you got all those pack of lies.

Especially liked the Laura Bush killed boyfriend bull shit.  Are you for real?
Agent from the Insane Asylum is more like it.  

Yes, Fox and Friends was bashing Obama, like they typically do.  They either lie, or they tell half truths, as they did about this bus. 

Fox and Friends, those three jokers in the morning, are the real “freak parade.” 

You’re right, at least about me, that I really don’t care if the Secret Service bought a bus partially made in Canada.  But, apparently Fox and Friends does care.

I do care if propagandists like Fox and Friends tells lies and half-truths, which monkeys like to copy and spread around.  I’m sure this is the talk of many lovers of Fox and Friends….this furthers their ridiculous argument that Obama is “anti-American” or even “hates America.”

I didn’t meet with anyone.

What’s the problem? Isn’t Canada one of the 57 states?

Which network are you referring to that reports the FACTS? What was the purpose of the segment on F&F? Do you think they’d be belly-aching had these buses came on stream during the Bush Administration? No it’d be a non-story or maybe the would’ve gotten a tour and done a story on the War-on-Terror.

Well, thank you for making yet another argument for us!  Why are we so dependent on foreign oil?  This is Obama’s fault that he will not let us drill for oil right here in the USA.  He may not be anti-business, but he is certainly anti-American business!  His own jobs czar, Jeff Imelt, CEO of GE, will now be opening a light bulb factory in China!  Are you F’ing kidding me?  Our jobs czar’s corporation is giving jobs to China instead of the US?  Please grow up and pay attention to what the hell is really going on in this country under this administration.  He is going to lose the next election.  We will get this country back on solid ground under a conservative republican administration that knows how to run a business, not a community organizer!

Oh, and the current brain trust (Obama, Pelosi and Reid) are so very good at what they do? You are one funny monkey, dawg.

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And those who insist there is a liberal media conspiracy are crackpots or charlatans. Pick one.

As sentient beings, many newscasters are personally liberal. As as industry fatcats, most (all?) media owners are conservative-to-wingnut. It balances out on the center-left and skews into the weeds on the right, driven by ignorance and resentment.

Grow up.

“Republicans’ embrace of Tea Party fanaticism will be their doom.” And not a moment too soon.

Partly because Fox & Friends has patented trivialization and now collects royalties from itself.

The company is in Blue dog Jim Cooper’s (DINO) district.

They should get on this and get that guy outta here.

You can fit a lot of clowns into a VW Bug. Why not buy one used and help the local economy?

Not sure why I can’t reply to your post i420- I hit like by mistake thinking it was a reply, but there is not reply.  I think I hit like a few times- so dont let that count go to your head- ha!

Anyway- this Gadson was made for me by a graphic artist on a football board in 2003-2004 (right after the Patriots won their 2nd Superbowl).  If you look close there is a Patriots helmet on the snake.  I couldnt use my football board handle on Disqus because it was already taken- due to the fact that my only graphic artist ability resides in MS Paint- I butchered the picture a bit when I tried to remove the handle, but you should still be able to see the Flying Elvis.  I was just trying to remove my old handle and now it is ugly.   I might just stick the old one on with the old handle. 

I am not a Tea Party guy- but I do defend them on some issues (namely the cut spending and lower taxes part- I am a social liberal).  I also hate the “teabagger” thing (as well as dumbocrats and rethuglicans, or whatever else the 4th graders are saying nowadays. 

To your point on the “no liberal media” I am not sure I understand your point.  How is there no liberal media?  Is there “conservative media”?   Is there something that will not allow a liberal or group of liberals to form or purchase a media corporation? 

To your point

Irrelevance, thy name is Fox & Friends.

The former GOP operatives who run Fox are dedicated 24 hours 7 days a week towards taking down Obama’s presidency.They have pushed endless faux scandals (Acorn, Reverend Wright, Common the rapper, Bill Ayers, the birth certificate,etc.) attempting to destroy Obama. But, let’s not forget the countless really dumb political attacks such as this one over Obama’s buses which serve just as much as a window into the Republican party serving journalism that dominates Fixed News just as much as all of the faux scandals engineered at the network.

Is the same vitriol given to Saah Palin for using the same bus manufacturer? How About McCain 2008? Or bush/cheney? Maybe if those of you on the right could get your heads out of your blowholes, you might see the level and breadth of your hypocrisy.

More
American Commie BULLSHIT……. How many items on this planet that was built in
the Bad ASS USA and is being used by people of other countries.

Grow up
people and start worrying about all the poor people you have on your streets
and they did not get there by one bus been built in Canada.

So the hate is, because “Fox” spins a half factual story, there is liberal bias?

Don’t these dummies know that the GOP CANDIDATE WILL HAVE TO USE THE SAME SECRET SERVICE BUSSES ONCE NOMINATED NEXT YEAR?

NOPE! THAT DOESN’T FIT FOX’S NARRATIVE

Blaze, called and said you left out some non-factual talking points!

Do these clowns on FOX realize that most “American-made” cars contain many components that are manufactured in Japan, Korea, etc. and that these autos are merely assembled in the United States?

And planting wet farts on your miserable,hateful face.

And to quote Ann Coulter “If democrats had brains, they’d be republicans”. 

Not to quibble,…  where do you want the flags? Over the seal? Flyng from the antenna?

Has it occured to ANYBODY that this American company may have been the only one capable of meeting the SS’s criteria? Has it occured to ANYBODY that many American cars are assembled in Canada? Check the door tag on your Camaro, Sparky.

Like the last time we elected a president, and we were desperate for CHANGE, we find ourselves in that same situation now, and another change will come. 

Valiant effort but facts mean nothing to the baggers.They just keep believing what they’re told.

He did make an announcment: His big plans will be unveiled, AFTER Labor day.  Unemployment should go up a bit more by then. 

But none of you find a problem with American made/assembled, being sent for use in Canada & elsewhere? 
None of you stop to think of what the cost of this bus might be if was 100% American made? This is not fantasyland we’re living in folks.
 
 If the bus was 100% American made, then this article would be about how an outragous amount of money was squandered on a campaign bus..
It’s time to give your heads a shake. There’s very little left that can claim it’s 100%  American made nowadays. A quick look at your everyday ’stuff’ will probably show you parts of it was made in so and so country, but assembled elsewhere, or it’ll say, made in China.
 
One has to wonder why Fox, NYP, & the “gasp, how dare he” commentors have never questioned or bothered to mention, where Sarah Palins tour bus might have been made? Could it be the fact that Ms Palin is white, that the bus has not been an issue?

IT’S a nice ‘deflection’ of the issue!  

That’s amazing….how the heck did you turn this bus thread to republican child molesting. Look, you probably just trying to score some points or likes but try to stay with the subject. Your post was like it was 12 oclock noon and all of the sudden its 12 oclock midnight. Get with the program…D Rug!

Suck on this.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp

Fluck off bot.

Let me get this straight….

The Secret Service purchases two buses from an American company, and Fox News is reporting that President Obama is driving around the country in a Canadian bus.

Does anyone know where Sarah Palin’s bus comes from?

You can call yourself whatever you want, don’t care what you’re sick of, if hobbits is suppose to be a putdown your wasting your breath, your “history” borders on personal mental illness, you don’t know me and from my view your a bigot. That about covers it.

It is being reported by the L.A. Times, with a direct quote from a Secret Service spokesman, that at the time the Secret Service ordered this bus, it was their understanding that this was the only company that could produce such a bus that would support the weight of all of the security and communications apparatus required to transport the President and/or Presidential candidates around in.

This is “manufactured outrage” by Fox and Friends, by Reince Priebus (chairman of the RNC), and others who talk about Obama’s “Canadian bus.”

I’m with you except for playing the race card. That was uncalled for and an embarrassment to the rest of your well thought out post.

The fact is that many “American” cars now have a body that was made in Canada. Those Fox folks should check out where their own cars were actually made before they complain. In fact, I challenge everyone who has agreed with Fox on this one to check their own vehicle, then come back here and tell me the body did not come from Canada. Unless, of course, it has a foreign name to begin with.

Canada is at least seven of them. :-)

If this bus thing was worth reporting, Fox should have done more than make snide remarks. A Fair and Balanced report would find out whether there even were any All American companies who could build a bus with All American parts. And if there are any such companies, how would the price compare with the actual purchase? Would it be only a few dollars more, or three times as much?
That would be a full FAIR AND BALANCED report.

A Secret Service spokesman has said that when they ordered these 2 buses, this American company they ordered it from was the only company who could give them a bus that supported the weight of all of the security and communications apparatus.  Perhaps that $2.2M might have turned a few heads, but I doubt if those heads could have turned quick enough to produce a bus like this.  I am quite sure that the Secret Service know of the increased hatred of Obama and all of the lunatics out there, so I’m sure they wanted that bus as soon as possible.

Your last sentence looks like a good idea to me.

Obama also said that he sees many Asian cars driving around in this country and that he wanted to see American cars being driven in other countries, including Asian countries.  Total protectionism will not help selling American-made products overseas.

Exactly.  These are not “Obama’s” buses, and he did not order them.  And, while Obama is still President, that 2nd bus will be used by the Republican nominee for POTUS. 

It should be noted that Bush used one of these buses during his 2004 campaign.  Other noted Republicans like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rudi Giuliani, Fred Thompson, John McCain, and that greatest American of all, Sarah Palin, have used Hemphill Brothers’ buses.  Check out Hemphill Brothers’ web site under their client list, which also includes many country music stars and Christian/gospel music stars…..most of whom probably are conservative Republicans.

you stupid little reject.  From that you got your “boyfriend”?  A teen is in an accident and that’s what you got?  

Get a freaking life.  

you stupid little reject.  From that you got your “boyfriend”?  A teen is in an accident and that’s what you got?  

Get a freaking life.  

chris columbus landed in america with a hull full of slaves ..???? LMAO that’s a new one on me.

Obama should know better. He actually doesn’t know that the best selling care in China, and most of South America and Europe is made by FORD.

If I know that then why doesn’t he know that after all he’s the so-called leader of the free world.

I’ve come to the conclusion that he’s not that stupid but he thinks everyone else is stupid. Could it be that FORD refused to be taken over by Obama and his Liberal Government? Could be.

It’s all rhetoric from an idiot if he doesn’t know the facts on car sales.

Actually, there are ALL American parts and products that do compare in their fields. Offhand I know two in different fields. Henry Rifle and a place that makes chopsticks for china of all things.. Maybe Obama could have supported a USA company to start producing an all USA made one if not available. That would be a stimulus worth supporting. Cost more? maybe.. but not as much as losing yet more jobs to foreign countries and from our middle class.

It’s all up to how much “PROFIT” a company wants to make. They can be all USA made and support the country that provides them freedoms or they can be in my mind “treason’ish”(seeing thats popular word these days) in design and use slave labor from foreign countries. I try hard to avoid such “American’ish?” companies, even in favor of foreign. Don’t brag your an “American?” company while pissing on my leg. It’s hard today..Waves at Apple.. like Washington, greed usually wins out.

As for “From Canada”.. least they are on equal levels with the USA and not a slave labor mentality. I could not think of a better foreign country to make it.

You do know that nobody reads that crap right?
Proof by verbosity, sometimes colloquially referred to as argumentum verbosium – a rhetorical technique that tries to persuade by overwhelming those considering an argument with such a volume of material that the argument sounds plausible, superficially appears to be well-researched, and it is so laborious to untangle and check supporting facts that the argument might be allowed to slide by unchallenged.Wiki

“ProObamaAgenda” Ha ha ha ha ha.

That says it all.

“TMP”

The number one selling car in China is built by FORD.

“TMP”

The number one selling car in China is built by FORD.

“TMP”

She still killed him,boyfriend or not.Asshole.

Look at it the correct way.  A primary reason S&P downgraded our debt rating to AA+ is because, as they cited in their report, Congress couldn’t get its act together and come up with an agreement to lower our debt.  They waited until the last minute to come to an agreement.  Several times in that report, S&P talked about revenue increases, and while they are not in the business of telling us how to reduce debt, they did mention this, and their executives have also mentioned revenue increases/tax increases in interviews.

The republicans, notably their teaparty wing, are responsible for absolutely refusing to discuss any sort of tax increases, even for the most wealthy; even going so far as to not discuss any sort of reducing or eliminating tax loopholes.

Republicans F– = Total America-hating obstructionists who would rather see Obama fail and this country fail so they can gain power in 2012.

January 2011: “Ford is in talks with its Chinese Joint venture partner Changan to export China-made Ford vehicles to emerging markets, two people familiar with the matter told”…. Reuters.

The president’s limo has been black since presidents had limos to ride in. The bus is simply the biggest presidential limo ever, and Americans like things big.

Meanwhile, Palin’s bus is for campaigning, and that is obvious. It would be tacky for our president to be riding around in a bus like that. I’m guessing you would be the first to complain about it if he did have a bus like Palin’s.

Not balanced. They don’t claim to be balanced. Credible? Absolutely. They know everybody will be checking their facts.
Fox folks know you won’t fact check them.

That’s great Sandie. I already knew that. I bought thousands of shares in Ford when their stock was at $1.25 a share. I sold half at $13 a share earlier this year. I’m holding the rest to pay for a new summer home in New Hampshire at lake Winnipesaukee.

See what a lack of Obama can do for ya.

“TMP”

The comments made on this article, that only concentrate on the color of the person, in this case the President, rather than the subject at hand, merit the race card being brought up.
I stand by what I say. If it was a white candidate/politician using the tour bus, this article would never have been published. If by chance it was published, it would be considered last page news.  

Interesting point about buses, American made, and infrastructure.

In the mid-1930s, GM made a big decision. GM was making most of the buses used for public transport, and of course making cars and trucks. Cities were ordering lots of buses from GM, but the CEO,  Alfred C. Sloan, Jr., decided that if he stopped making buses that could carry 30+ passengers and only made cars, he would be able to sell a whole lot more cars than buses, and at a much higher profit.
GM cut way back on making buses, cities couldn’t get enough of them, and lots of folks who wanted to ride the bus had to buy cars as the only alternative.

It was a big win for GM, but not for the cities and most people who now live in cities. Now, if we want more buses, we could get an American company to build them, but it will take more than two special buses to make it profitable.

All in all, you do see how stimulus spending would work, and that is great!

And the buses are now American “citizens” as much as Murdoch is.
You do know why Murdoch became a “traitor” to Australia, don’t you?
It was so he could own so much American media. The law required it.

are you insane?  It was a traffic accident!  She didn’t kill anybody Asshole

Please see my comment about black being the color of our president’s limo since the first presidential limo, no doubt a horse-drawn carriage. It is tradition, and black is elegant. The bus is simply the biggest presidential limo yet, and we are not children who are frightened by something as simple as the color of a bus, are we?

We don’t want our president riding around in something gaudy, like Sarah Palin’s bus. For campaigning, it may be appropriate, but for the “presidential ride,” it would be gaudy.

 It seems like they’re Anti Business to me.  They’re driving the bus that’s rolling over all the small businesses.  Take a look down any main street (in any City and / or State) at all the vacant stores.  That’s liberalism at work in your community.  The only ones who can’t see it are the Obama Zombies.  It’s dawn of the Walking Debt.

Actually, Republicans are doing just that.  Those running for Republican nominee to be POTUS are proclaiming how they love America and how Obama hates America.  They are thumping their chests and saying how they will bring jobs back to America.

If Republicans are not giving lectures to people that we need to support American jobs, then do you really want them in office?

While I think I disagree with you, your post actually is kind of funny.

What are you doing, though, reading a woman’s health magazine article about weed?

If Obama went into the Forest  to read his teleprompter and no one was there to hear him, would he still be wrong?  I would have to say “YES!”

SoThere…..I know, and I’m sure that Obama knows, that American cars are sold in China and other places.  He wants to see more being sold around the world.

The implication of all of the complaints of Obama riding around in a “Canadian bus” is that we Americans should strictly purchase wholly-made American products.  If we do that, other countries won’t buy our products.

The Secret Service is responsible for the protection of the President and other elected political figures.  The Secret Service ordered these 2 buses, and a Secret Service spokesman has said that when these 2 buses were ordered, from an American company, this company was the only only one which could supply such a bus that would hold the weight of all of the communications and security equipment on board.

Yes, in some sense, it may be ironic, but who cares?  Seriously.

Fox and Friends are jokers who go out of their way to bash Obama for every thing, large and small, that he does. 

The Secret Service is responsible for the protection of the President and other elected political figures.  The Secret Service ordered these 2 buses, and a Secret Service spokesman has said that when these 2 buses were ordered, from an American company, this company was the only only one which could supply such a bus that would hold the weight of all of the communications and security equipment on board.

Yes, in some sense, it may be ironic, but who cares?  Seriously.

Fox and Friends are jokers who go out of their way to bash Obama for every thing, large and small, that he does. 

That and the fact the Hold is the part of the ship inside the hull. What a maroon!

He was crude, to be sure.

Your analysis was just as crude in its innuendo, no matter how you tried to disguise it with historical comparisons and psychology (which appears to be your weakest subject). Your mention that our troops do not goose-step is at best a weak amelioration of the fear factor that you are so concerned about.

I think you were trying to say that whoever chose the solid black color was not thinking the psychology through. I say that only paranoids and pre-pubescent children would genuinely fear a black bus.

That is what  Dwarf so crudely said.

I have already stated the obvious reason for solid black, so no need to say it yet again.

Once, again, the Secret Service ordered these buses.  The Secret Service is charged with protecting the President, the Vice President, former Presidents and VPs, their families, and others.  They are charged with this protection, regardless if the President or VP is a Democrat or a Republican.

While the President appoints the Director of the Secret Service, the current director, Mark J. Sullivan, was appointed in 2006 by George W. Bush. 

I seriously doubt if Obama or his staff investigate things like this, at this level.  He trusts his Director of the Secret Service, appointed by Bush, to get things done.

Blame the Secret Service.  Heck, blame Bush for appointing the current director who probably is the one who ultimately approved buying these buses.

After several comments about the Canadian aspect of the bus, and about the reason why the color black is appropriate (tradition people! tradition!), I finally watched the video, and yes, it was a hissy fit by the Fox folks.

After several comments about the Canadian aspect of the bus, and about the reason why the color black is appropriate (tradition people! tradition!), I finally watched the video, and yes, it was a hissy fit by the Fox folks.

Are you Sarah Palin?  Perhaps you’re Sean Hannity or Rush the pig Limbaugh, two who use that sort of ignorant language.

Democrats have also confronted Obama, though they do so on much more important things than a bus.  Fox and teaparty types attack Obama for every little thing. 

Then why did Obama say that he wanted to see only three words on products in the United States “Made in America”?

He said it not me. He’s riding around in a bus made in Canada, Not me! Why does he say things that are meaningless when he knows otherwise?

Those cars are made in those countries. Those cars are not being exported to those countries. those cars don’t help the employment situation in this country.

No, what Obama needs to do is to promote “Made in America” by lifting some of the restrictions that the Government puts on those companies who still manufacture in this country.

Maybe he should stop filing suits against companies who want to build manufacturing facilities in South Carolina because SC is a right to work State.

His speeches are the same old rhetoric that all Liberal Democrats spew in this country. He’s had 2 1/2 years and spent 4 trillion dollars so far and unemployment is at 9.1 % real unemployment is at 17%. 16 million people are out of work, houses are still being foreclosed on and manufacturing in this country has become non existent under Liberal rule.

I’m talking real world vs, Obama speak.

“TMP”

It is also interesting that all of a sudden BINGO these RVs from hell are now here with no mention of them at all, until Nerobama goes on his busman’s holiday.

They did make a big deal about procuring two so the Republican nominee would also have one. I would be suspicious of the current executive in the White House if I were the Republican nominee – chances are likely that the thing is bugged for audio and video. Nothing like the man running for reelection being a fly on the wall in his opponent’s campaign strategy discussions.

You really assume much about people you don’t know. Your cutesy Teatard nickname affects me not, it just shows how immature you are.

I noticed you did not mention the other “current brain trust,” John Boehner.  He’s doing oh so very well.  I’m trying to think what type of job legislation he has introduced.  Can you enlighten me?   He is a coward, succumbing to the whims of the tea party.

And, if you’re mentioning Pelosi (who no longer is Speaker of the House, in case you did not know), then why don’t you mention that other “current brain trust,” Mitch McConnell, minority “leader” in the Senate.  He has said at least twice that his main goal is to make sure Obama is a “one-term President.”  Why isn’t his number one goal “jobs” and the economy?  If Obama does become a “one-term President,” that won’t happen until January of 2013, That’s 17 months from now.  Why in the heck is Mitch McConnell willing to wait that long to help create jobs or improve the economy (and, McConnell has actually made those comments months ago, so he’s been willing to wait even longer.) 

I understand your opinion, but my opinion is that Fox & Friends would be just as snarky toward Hillary Clinton as president because she is a democrat, and you would then be saying they are anti-feminist.

Your thesis falls apart on this point – Congress and the President have had two and one half years to control spending, and instead of digging into this problem with a backhoe, they went in with toothpicks. There is a lot of unnecessary expenditures  – Like these two buses – going on and no one is putting the brakes on! The Republicans told the Democrats and the President that they would not consider revenue increases until substantial cuts were made in spending, the liberal side dug their heels in and threw a hysterical fit until some weak Republicans let them have their way.

It isn’t the revenue that is the problem – it is the quadrupling of the debt load that caused the drop in the credit rating. When are you guys going to get it that you cannot spend more than you take in, and that at the rate this administration is growing debt and spending like madmen no amount of increase in revenue can possibly keep up with the bleeding?

It is the SPENDING.

Liberals grade – incomplete – did not finish the required course work to get even an F.

I don’t know if your statement about no President running for a 2nd term halfway through his first term, although you might be right.  However, Obama has not done this, either.  Halfway through Obama’s first term would have been in January, 2011, not August, 2011.  And, it has only been for 3 days, anyway.

However, I just wanted to point out something I find interesting.  In George W. Bush’s 2004 campaign, he used a bus made by this company that “Obama’s bus” came from in his “Yes, America Can” campaign.

And, by the way, your quote of “Watch the language, liberal fool” sounds like a pretty aggressive tone to me!

Try using your head instead of the keyboard – make sure and use plenty of force, and pick a solid wall like stone or brick. Maybe then you will manage to reset the circuit breaker that tripped when you were lighting up that last doob.

He is a stupid liar.

You do realize that there are things out there that can destroy those buses for a small fraction of the cost of the bus, don’t you? These RVs are big, slow, and an easy target. The security for these buses has to be a nightmare for the Secret Service. They would have been better off using Air Force One, the Marine One helicopters and the armored limos that he already has at his disposal.

They are just another barge on Lake Nemi for our emperor to party on. This guy spends the people’s money as if he has a blank check.

You sure do pick them don’t you? You are all over the place on the jobs issue so it must be a liberal smokescreen tactic you are using instead of backing up your arguments with fact. Which Republicans are not saying we need American jobs? I think you would be hard pressed to substantiate that one.

Fox and Friends just point out Obama’s feet of clay and you liberals don’t like recognizing he has so many flaws.

This bus idea is stupid, and it is a bad idea from a security standpoint, yet they bought these Titanics and now the taxpayer is that much more in debt.

If he was so jobs oriented in the automotive industry, we should have steered clear of owning GM and Chrysler. Now he wants the Koreans to drive Chevrolets? The reason people buy KIA and Hyundai cars here is because they give a better value for less money. If they want to sell American cars here in America they need to bring prices down by cutting expenses. It doesn’t help the auto industry when the federal government is up their tailpipe so far with regulations and fines for stuff that doesn’t make cars any safer or cost less.

Obama is just saying what he thinks the crowd want to hear, just like 2007-2008.

You have peculiar propensity for “liberating the oppressed,” or, what you perceive as the “oppressed.”  You did the same thing last night with SNOOPY SCREENWRITER.  The DWARF “dished it out, however, couldn’t take it?”  That is “the nature of the beast” in Mediaite!

As for the substance of the original post:  Dark humor, aimed primarily at like minded compatriots, or, those capable of handling deprecating humor?  (certainly NOT you. Ouch!)

Let me get this straight: I use proper English to make my point about an individual who uses a crude colloquialism and you criticize me?  

(Note: You could attempt to get out of this inept moment of yours, by claiming you were trying to be funny?  LOL, at you!)

You have been clumsily attempting to outwit me now for a few months.  How about a nice game of chess?  HLO (haughty laugh out-loud)…

The only reason for a politician to ride a bus is for campaigning. This is not a ‘JOBS’ tour and everyone knows it. Claiming it is is just “laundering” to get the tax payers to pick up the tab. Does anyone doubt he will not use it in 2012? The Democratic party should have paid for it…and explain why they bought if from Canada.

First, John Boehner is not the subject of this article. Second, Pelosi is House minority leader and she is still in there trying to derail the Speaker of the House. She keeps shooting her mouth off as if she believes she is still holding the power of Speaker.

As far as your reference to Mitch McConnell goes, he also was not the subject of this article, so while your diversionary tactic is there for us to see, we also see that it is very weak.

On the subject of one term presidency, here he is campaigning for that second term with well over a year of work to complete in order to put America back to work. He needs to be doing his job, not out joyriding and making empty, meaningless speeches. No president before him has ever gone out as incumbent with no challengers in their party on the campaign trail this early. Obama started campaigning for reelection the day after he was sworn in, and he is in permanent campaign mode because he doesn’t know how to lead.

And what makes you think that purchasing these albatrosses didn’t violate federal laws?
Libtards like you are just Tea Party haters. You don’t even know what the Tea Party core issue is.

Obama gets attacked because he deserves it.

Obama gets attacked because he deserves it.

I wish I had done that. At this point I am not sure what to bet on. Obama has me wondering.

It seemed like a no brainer at the time.

“TMP”

He double doped that one……LOL

The job creators are not going to hire anyone until they know they are not going to be on the hook for a new hire’s health until they retire. They are also not going to hire anyone until Obama GETS IT! And he has demonstrated HE WILL NEVER GET IT. The metric here is an enegy policy. The day he opens the door to free market oil drilling, will mark the day that he gets it. It will not happen.

The first rule of business is to survive. There is no call to do good by hiring someone when you may be putting every other employees job at risk.

If he has a plan, can he explain why he is going on vacation instead of implementing it. You know he can call anyone he needs to put it in play now.

The only explanation must be that he has tasked someone else to put it together and he may as well be on vacation to stay out of the way until it’s done. Then too, he needs someone to blame when it doesn’t work anyway.

Watergate all over again… … wait… it would be Busgate?

LOL

Why S&P downgraded​ the U.S.- this puts it in perspective​e…

• U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000​,000,000

• Fed budget: $3,820,000​,000,000

• New debt: $ 1,650,000,​000,000

• National debt: $14,271,00​0,000,000

• Recent budget cut: $ 38,500,000​,000

Let’s remove 8 zeros and pretend it’s a household budget:

• Annual family income: $21,700

• Money the family spent: $38,200

• New debt on the credit card: $16,500

• Outstandin​g balance on the credit card: $142,710

• Total budget cuts: $385

Now, if you cannot see that it is DEBT that is a problem you are a hopeless case.

As far as your reference to Pelosi and Reid goes, neither of them are the subject of this article.  The subject of this article is a damned bus that Fox and Friends is calling a “Canadian bus,” which is not entirely true.

i guess Fuax and Friends didnt know that George Bush had the same bus from the SAME COMPANY

also that same type BUS will be used by Republicans Pres hopefuls this year BUT dont let the facts get in the way

I do admit Obama has flaws, like all people do.  But to blame these buses on Obama, and to make a big issue out of it being a “Canadian” bus, is ridiculous. 

It is sad that you cannot read and understand things.  As I have said, the Secret Service ordered this bus.  The man in charge of the Secret Service was appointed by Bush, not Obama.  I’m assuming that the Secret Service is a lot more knowledgeable about security than your are.  They have been concerned about the security when renting buses and retrofitting them for Presidential and Presidential candidate use in the past, every time a President needs to ride around in one.  That’s why they ordered these buses.

Should Obama or any other President fly on commercial or even private jets and not fly on Air Force One? 

oh and the head of the republican party Rush Limbaugh drives a MAYBACH..made in Germany.

He was union jobs oriented at GM & Chrysler. He save their asses for putting his in office.

and Elvis was seen driving the bus

Huh?  Where did I say that Republicans are not saying we need American jobs?

This is what I said:  “They (Republicans) are thumping their chests and saying how they will bring jobs back to America.”

What I also said was that “IF,” and I said, “IF” Republicans were not campaigning on jobs, then would you vote for one?  I said this because you seem to take issue with Obama talking about jobs.  So if you take issue with Obama talking about  jobs, then it seems you might take issue from republicans talking about jobs.  Why can they talk about jobs but Obama not talk about them, even if he hasn’t been successful so far in creating many jobs?

Yes, I agree, and I know, that jobs are not being created even close to where we should be.   But Obama isn’t giving up on trying to do something, in spite of the fact that Republicans have obstructed him so many times, not only on the jobs issue, but also on many other issues.

but in his defense his butler Snerdley does the grocery shopping in a GM suv

Listening to these people trying to form sentences is like banging my head up against a wall. It seems like that would be more productive though. 

These people will find a problem with everything this president does. It’s sad, really.

I will remind you that you did say this:

there is something brutally cavalier about what I perceive as a lack of
concern for the republican process in America, by Obama and company.
 As if we are all on the train to nowhere and we are going to like it,
or else!

That removes the humor from what otherwise would have gotten my Like vote as recognition that the color is not significant.
I doubt that you would perceive the color as brutally cavalier if any previous (Republican?) president had used it. Your attempt to get more like votes from the like minded conservatives is obvious.

As I said, an unbiased thinker would quickly recognize that black is the standard color for presidential vehicles, with the exception of Air Force one, which you don’t want to be black because it would become invisible at night and or mistaken for a warplane. Nobody would want that.

A black bus is no more threatening than a red bus.

Would you have preferred Greyhound grey?

I also want to point out a couple of things republican candidates have said which, I believe, are unsubstantiated.

1.  Michele Bachmann and her husband have a familiy business.  She says she ”knows how to create jobs.”  I will be honest and admit I do not know how many jobs she has created, but I’d bet money it is a very small number.  I believe Obama and the OMB when they say that the stimulus plan saved or created 2 or 3 million jobs.

2.  And, speaking of stimulus, Rick Perry has decried it, and he is the one boasting about how many jobs he has created.  But, he has personally lobbied for not only Obama’s stimulus, but stimulus from the previous administration.  His state has received many billions in federal stimulus money this past decade.  Since 2000, private sector employment has risen by 9%.  Public sector employment has risen by 19%.  These figures are from a recent Wall Street Journal article which I have posted somewhere on this thread…..you can look it up yourself.  The “great recession” officially started in December, 2007.  Since 2008, Perry has accepted 17 billion dollars in federal stimulus money.  Must of this has gone into growing the public/government sector job growth.  That WSJ journal article points out that there is concern about what will happen when Texas starts to actually cut its budget and what will happen to those government jobs.  You can also find from various credible sources that most of the job growth in Texas since 2008 has come from public sector/government jobs.

My point is this:  I have been saying for the past few years that I don’t think anyone really has the answer on how to grow jobs.  But, yes, my bias says that stimulus will do more for job growth than cutting taxes.  Many prominent Republicans, including former Bush and Reagan treasury/budget people, say that cutting taxes will not increase jobs. 

Look at the Great Depression.  We eventually got out of that by WWII, when taxes on the most wealthy were very high…..and they continued being very high (90%+) for many years after that.    Eisenhower, a Republican, continued these very high tax rates and used some of that money to build our highway system.

Some feel that Obama’s stimulus was too small and, in fact, some 30% to 40% of it was actually tax breaks. 

So, getting back to my point:  I don’t think any of the Republican candidates actually have any good job creating experience. 

If you’re going to criticize Obama for his talk about jobs, also criticize these Republicans on their actual records of job creation. 

And, yes, this article is not about the stuff I just wrote about, but you challenged me with the typical conservative talking point that I don’t use facts to back up things I say. 

I also want to point out a couple of things republican candidates have said which, I believe, are unsubstantiated.

1.  Michele Bachmann and her husband have a familiy business.  She says she ”knows how to create jobs.”  I will be honest and admit I do not know how many jobs she has created, but I’d bet money it is a very small number.  I believe Obama and the OMB when they say that the stimulus plan saved or created 2 or 3 million jobs.

2.  And, speaking of stimulus, Rick Perry has decried it, and he is the one boasting about how many jobs he has created.  But, he has personally lobbied for not only Obama’s stimulus, but stimulus from the previous administration.  His state has received many billions in federal stimulus money this past decade.  Since 2000, private sector employment has risen by 9%.  Public sector employment has risen by 19%.  These figures are from a recent Wall Street Journal article which I have posted somewhere on this thread…..you can look it up yourself.  The “great recession” officially started in December, 2007.  Since 2008, Perry has accepted 17 billion dollars in federal stimulus money.  Must of this has gone into growing the public/government sector job growth.  That WSJ journal article points out that there is concern about what will happen when Texas starts to actually cut its budget and what will happen to those government jobs.  You can also find from various credible sources that most of the job growth in Texas since 2008 has come from public sector/government jobs.

My point is this:  I have been saying for the past few years that I don’t think anyone really has the answer on how to grow jobs.  But, yes, my bias says that stimulus will do more for job growth than cutting taxes.  Many prominent Republicans, including former Bush and Reagan treasury/budget people, say that cutting taxes will not increase jobs. 

Look at the Great Depression.  We eventually got out of that by WWII, when taxes on the most wealthy were very high…..and they continued being very high (90%+) for many years after that.    Eisenhower, a Republican, continued these very high tax rates and used some of that money to build our highway system.

Some feel that Obama’s stimulus was too small and, in fact, some 30% to 40% of it was actually tax breaks. 

So, getting back to my point:  I don’t think any of the Republican candidates actually have any good job creating experience. 

If you’re going to criticize Obama for his talk about jobs, also criticize these Republicans on their actual records of job creation. 

And, yes, this article is not about the stuff I just wrote about, but you challenged me with the typical conservative talking point that I don’t use facts to back up things I say. 

He should be criticized on major items, just as any other President or any other person, for that matter.  But he shouldn’t be attacked on stupid things like this bus.

Obama should not have been attacked by that doctor in Florida who, a couple of years ago, sent around a picture of the President dressed up as a witch doctor.  Michelle should not have been attacked by that state senator from Tennessee who compared her to a gorilla.    She also shouldn’t be attacked by those who decry her push for healthy eating.

Obama should not have been attacked 8 months into his Presidency by most of the conservative punditry and some conservative politicians when he was preparing to speak to school children about the importance of school and the importance of striving for excellence.  These idiots were predicting that this was something Chairman Mao would have done. 

Obama should never have been attacked by the birthers.  He never should have been attacked, as he still is, as being a “secret” Muslim from Kenya.  He never should have been attacked by the likes of Glenn Beck who used the Nazi/Hitler comparison literally hundreds of times when talking about Obama and his administration.  These crazies have increased the level of hatred and animosity and lack of civil discussion in this country by huge amounts.

Since day 1 of his Presidency, and actually, during the 2008 Presidential campaign, Obama has been attacked by the right for stupid things, and even if they were not stupid things, he has been attacked in the worst way, being compared to Nazis, Maoists, fascists, Stalinists, etc. 

This bus thing is just another example.

The other two credit rating agencies, Moody’s and Fitch’s, have kept their AAA rating for our debt rating. 

S&P did indeed note that one of the reasons for lowering our debt rating is because Congress couldn’t agree on how to bring the debt down.  Be honest…..Congress has a much lower approval rating than Obama does.  A very high percentage of Americans disapprove of Congress.  It’s not just the debt rating issue; it’s many, many issues.

Note that in the 111th Congress, Republicans filibuster more than any other Congress in history.

Yes, we have to do something drastic about our debt, and, yes, revenue increases alone will not solve the problem.  There needs to be a combination of revenue increases as well as cuts.  And, note, Obama did offer Boehner substantially more cuts than the final Congressional agreement a couple of weeks ago, but under pressure from the tea party, Boehner refused Obama’s offer because it included some tax increases.

Again, the other 2 ratings’ agencies kept our rating at AAA, but I’d have a lot of trouble, like  most Americans, with the fact that Congress cannot compromise.  Perhaps, if Boehner would have agreed to those tax increases, S&P might not have lowered our debt rating.

One last point…..after S&P downgraded us, you will recall that the following Monday, the stock market dropped some 500 points.  Do you know where much of that money went to?  It went to U.S. treasury bonds, the ones which had just been downgraded to AA+.  Investors still believe government bonds are very safe investments.

It seems that you little ICON pic is very telling of you and perhaps you smoked way too much of it. If you can’t tell that the Media is 99% L-I-B-E-R-A-L ( i sppeled it slow for you) then maybe you are just to liberal to notice.

WTF kind of DRUGS are you on DWARF??? that is the DUMBEST comment I have EVER seen. WOW.

“i sppeled”

Sounds like you’ve been smoking a little bit of the herb yourself! LOL

And Fox claims they’re #1, reason would say that Fox is the new mainstream. Your logic makes zero sense.

Lose the talking points, dear.

Yes, doodaddio, I realize that there are things out there that can destroy those buses.  But those things, like rocket-fired missiles, ard hard to come by, and those things can also be shot at an airplane.  I’m sure these same things would even have a much easier time bringing down a slow moving Marine One helicopter or even a slightly faster moving armored limousine.

I hope if you believe the President should not be riding around in these buses that the Republican nominee also should not be riding around in them. 

If they are “nightmare” for the Secret Service, I wonder why they ordered these buses?

How? “Pish posh” won’t get you out of this one. His logic is pretty solid. Like Perry’s napkin/paper towel/marriage argument. Hahahahahaah.

“You don’t even know what the Tea Party core issue is.”

Anger and hate?Sorry that’s two core issues.

Another case of Obama doing the opposite of what he preaches to America – these things are fuel hogs and even more so with all the armor and other stuff they crammed on board. A normal RV of Class A size gets about 5 miles per gallon of fuel, under ideal atmospheric conditions on a flat zero incline road – talk about a “carbon footprint”!

They are a colossal waste of taxpayer dollars, just to serve the vanity of his royal highness.

Yes, Sandie.  I do understand that.  But you are a hopeless case if you, as most Republicans believe, that we should eliminate this debt problem entirely on the backs of the poor and middle class.  It angers me so much that Bush introduced his tax breaks, which benefited mainly the wealthy, and those tax breaks did little to robustly help our economy.  In fact, please remember that the great recession started in December 2007, under Bush’s watch.  Bush also started 2 unfunded wars; he is the only President in our history who has not increased taxes during a time of war.  So when Republicans now want to balance the budget off the poor and middle class, what they effectively doing is helping to pay for Bush’s mistakes only by hurting the poor and middle class.  Yes, Obama has also contributed to the debt problem, but so has Bush, and he has contributed a lot to the problem.

Republicans also talk about “generational theft.”   But what about all of those people who have put good money into the system for decades, especially those under 55 and are currently long-term unemployed?  I use the age of 55 because that’s the age at which the Ryan plan starts to cut Social Security and Medicare benefits to people.  And I often see that long-term unemployed people in this age group are “unemployable.”

More and more Republicans are coming out and saying that lowering taxes will not create more jobs and, therefore, will not increase revenue, as many Reaganites continue to say.

David Stockman, director of the OMB under Reagan, has made comments along these lines.  Bruce Bartlett, a treasury official under Bush the second, also believes tax decreases will not help with job creation.

Alan Simpson, former Republican senator and head of Obama’s fiscal responsibility commission, is another one who believes this.

Bill Gross is the founder and still managing director of PIMCO, the world’s largest bond fund.  He is a very wealthy man and is known as a fiscal conservative.   2 or 3 months ago, Bill Gross wrote a letter to shareholders, telling them that introducing fiscal conservatism quickly will likely hurt our economy even more.  He even has suggested that we might need more stimulus.

Right after Congress came to an agreement on increasing the debt ceiling, Bill Gross said that the agreement did not go far enough.  He said that we need to cut trillions from the budget, but he also said that we need to increase tax revenue, also by trillions.

You do know that Warren Buffet this week said Congress should increase taxes on the most wealthy people in this country.  Donald Trump said the same thing this week.

And, while Republicans like to cite Ronald Reagan as their hero, Reagan actually increased taxes a number of times, even though he didn’t want to…..but he realized that he needed to do so.  In fact, one of those tax increases was the largest peacetime increase in history at that point.

While increase tax revenue might affect only a small percentage of our debt problem, we do need a combination of spending cuts as well as tax revenue increases.  After all, when John Boehner first became Speaker of the House, he was asked how cutting money to NPR and PBS would help our debt problem when the money going to NPR/PBS is only a couple of hundred million dollars.  His response?  Well, it’s a start.

Wrong smart guy – let’s see if you can understand this:

The Tea Party wants The Constitution of the United States of America to be the foundation upon which all federal government officials perform their duty. First and foremost it is about lawful governance.

You would know that if you weren’t such a smarmy twit.

Most of what you liberals say about the Tea Party is insults and ignorant statements based on propaganda created by your leaders who don’t have a clue about the Tea Party other than their fear that it will put them out on the street. Their fear is justified, but their lies are not. Why would any honest person in government who is doing their job to the best of their ability, in accordance to The Constitution and other laws have anything to fear?

The point is they wouldn’t – the liars, cheaters, thieves, and worse should fear people standing up for the freedom and rights of all mankind. Follow the rules, don’t break the law and take care of the nation’s business in a responsible manner.

The job creators are not going to hire more people until there is demand for their products.  Demand will only go down if public workers continue to get laid off or have to pay even more for their benefits. 

If you got laid off, wouldn’t you stop buying things other than the most essential things?  If you had to pay a couple of more thousands of dollars for your benefits, wouldn’t you spend less on non-essential things?

Presidential candidate and governor of Texas, Rick Perry, is bragging about all of the jobs he has created since the great recession started.  In fact, most of the jobs created were government jobs which were funded by federal stimulus money.  In fact, private sector jobs actually decreased by a small amount these past few years in Texas.

The Wall Street Journal has written a recent article along these lines, and they wonder what will happen in Texas once they start cutting and implementing governmental budget cuts.  Rick Perry’s office has yet to respond to questions about this.

“But not a child molester or a liar.”

So You say, and as we know, Liberals are Not to be believed.  Those who call names usually call others what they are themselves.  So, I would say your a child molester, since you say others are, trying to get the focus off yourself.  As far as being a Monster, your post speaks for itself.  I have to agree with Dodadd, your an unbelievably stupid person.  Been in the back of Husseins Limo latey?

“Anger and hate?Sorry that’s two core issues.”
Oscar, I said the Tea Party core issue, not the liberal’s response to the Tea Party.

Obama is driving the nail into his 2012 coffin.  He will be a One Termer and that will be one term America will regret for decades to come.  The only person happy with Hussein is Jimmy Carter, now Jimmy won’t go down in history as the Worst and Most Lost NonLeader President in America’s History.  One thing for sure, Hussein made sure no Liberal Black will ever be voted into the Oval Office again.  The next Black will be a Decent, Patriotic Born American, who will be a fantastic leader, not a girlyman wimp like Obama.  Hopefully that person will one day be Allen West.  The man make Barry look like the Worthless Empty Suit he truly is!

I do not believe we should eliminate this debt problem entirely on the backs of the poor and middle class. I am not promoting lowering taxes. I am promoting cutting spending other than SS & MedCare. With every law that Congress has passes, we have incurred more spending, The latest Obamacare is a blunder. There are lots of places spending can be cut, but the dems won’t hear of it. And now they are talking about more stimulus. WTH is going to pay for it?

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Dwarf_W_Rug posted: Those who deny that all Republicans are child molesters are either child molesters or liars. Or, in your case, both.”

No logic there – inflammatory rhetoric fueled by emotion. Apparently you haven’t a clue. Your remarks are nonsense, but we’ve come to expect that from you liberals. I’m not in “that one” as you say, there is no connection to the subject of this story and you know it.

You are the one who isn’t getting out of anything here.

Show me facts to substantiate your strawman argument, or admit that you really can’t deal with the idea that Obama and his democrat buddies have spent the country into the poor house for the next two generations.

The stock market has been yo-yoing for the past several weeks over this economic disaster your liberal leaders have foisted upon the nation. Note that in the 111th Congress that the Senate and the President are cramming more spending down the throats of America despite the House’s efforts to stop the wildly out of control spending.

These buses are just the latest example of wasteful and needless spending by this out of control liberal Senate and President.

The downgrade is Obama’s.

When you look further.. these guys also own novabus which New York just purchased 320 Buses from and who have a facility in USA beside two in Canada. They also look connected to Volvo..which we know has Volvo trucks and Mack trucks running all through the USA… adding up all the jobs in the USA for Volvo products, and kia and renault and toyota and etc etc etc.. it looks like a wash out… They bought the best they could find..without stimulus..

What’s the big deal about the bus being made in Canada? Everyday Americans use Canadian oil?!? CANADA is the USA’s largest supplier of oil!

I can’t understand how the people on FOX & FRIENDS can call themselves “christian” and continue to tell lies – by all means, don’t give the complete story so that it makes this “BLACK” president look bad and of course, we aren’t racist, we just appear to be that way.
The President didn’t order the damn bus.
The Secret Service ordered the damn bus and ordered from what appeared to be a Tennessee corporation which could outfit the vehicle to their security specifications.

I am so tired of the hatred that comes from this Repubilcan Propaganda cable show it is pathetic. 
You need to try to act like Christians if you are going to say you are Christians – fricking hypocrites.

I love those fox talking heads. Who do you think supplied the bus for Sara Palin? Arnold Schwarzenegger, Fred Thompson, Rudy Guliani, President Bush, John McCain? Same Company Sir. Clearly another effort to discount the President by faux news. It took me longer to post this than to find the info on the Hemphill Brothers website. 

i find it completely legit to point out the irony of the President on a *bring the jobs back to this country* bus tour using a bus built in another country. 

This from the president’s itinerary:
“[The president] will continue the ‘Yes, America Can’ bus tour with three stops in Iowa and Wisconsin. The president will participate in events focused on strength, optimism and resolve of the American people in … strengthening our economy, making our communities better and keeping America safe …
“[The president] will discuss his plan for growing the economy and ensuring that every American who wants a job can find one …”
The “Yes, America Can” bus in was made in Canada by Prevost. One of the president’s critics said, “Seeing the president drive around in his Canadian-made luxury bus is just another reminder of [his] failed economic policies.”
This story is not from this week or even this year. It’s not about Barack Obama.
It’s from the spring of 2005, when President Bush was on tour.So not only did Obama not come up with the concept of tooling around the Heartland in a Canadian-made luxury bus — even the ol’ “Yes We Can” slogan is just an update on “Yes, American Can.”

http://www.suntimes.com/news/roeper/7122208-417/bus-made-in-canada-nothing-new-for-president.html

Just as the exact point was made about Bush in 2005. See, people, nothing new. Dems threw the same hissy fits over Bush for 8 years. And it wasn’t about Bush’s skin color, then, either.

“A black bus is no more threatening than a red bus.” Hmm, and a “goose step” is no more threatening than simply marching in cadence? LOL You do not listen, carefully. You miss subtlety and nuance to your misfortune. For a short while, I thought you were making progress with whatever bitterness haunts you, but no. You seem to have become more orthodox in your support for Obama and Socialism, which I suspect, is only a symptom. Purveyor.

I think one question is how exactly we address spending. Lot’s of folks , including older conservatives, understand that slash and burn spending cuts to entitlements will harm those who can afford it the least. There’s also an issue of elected officials who rant against spending but continue to get federal money. We need long term vision and won’t have it as long as we think one or two election cycles, and switching parties alone, will solve things. Why aren’t any of the GOP candidates {except Ron Paul} talking about cuts in defense such as ending our involvement in Afghanistan? I haven’t been happy with Obama either and I voted for him, but let’s face it. The policies that got us into this economic situation started long before Obama took office. One thing this admin has convinced me of is that no president will fix anything as long as corruption is rampant in DC. While the media focuses on minor and contrived controversy we are missing relevant issues. IMO, the public needs to demand factual information on more relevant issues and encourage the sources that provide it.

I also agree that we don’t need another agency created. I wondered when the dept of Homeland security was created. OTOH, I don’t have a problem with spending on infrastructure to generate some jobs. It’s unclear to me why that hasn’t happened. We can blow other countries to hell and then spend billions rebuilding them but can’t invest in rebuilding our own?  I think it’s part of the normal cycle of politics and government to examine government agencies and make sure they are still serving a necessary purpose and running efficiently. Society and government are not stagnant. regular maintenance should be expected. 

Can you document this statement? Do you know how it compares to previous presidents, or is it just some talking point being circulated for this one? Last I heard GWB broke the vacation record set by Reagan.

Do we send back all those F35 jets we just purchased for billions of dollars? What is you problem. Do you know how much American product we buy and sell in Canada? We’re your #1 trading partner. You people sound like you live in a clam shell. Why are shitting on your best friend? Those evil Canadians, eh? Do you know how many soldiers we lost in Aghanistan fighting the Taliban? I bet you don’t. We fought alongside Americans where the rest of the international forces refused to go. Canadians went there and stayed in the shit and fought and died, and this is the way you talk about us? Where is your fucking head anyway? 

Thankyou, i420 and Will. At least someone down there is paying attention. We appreciate your appreciation. Also remember our boys fought in the shit in Afghanistan where many of the international forces refused to go. We fought alongside the Americans (who told us we were “fuckin’ good soldiers”). We lost 154 soldiers. And now these guys are talking about us like we’re a fucking leper colony up here. Most of these bloggers here don’t know anything about the immense trade between the USA and Canada, nor do they know anything about Canadians. Oh, yeah, Pat Buchannan can kiss my fucking Canadian ass.    

Even though Limbaugh and Hannity have claimed that the rate was 3.6 or something when Obama took office there’s an article on mediaite that says it was actually well over 7 and hit 9 before any of his policies went into effect. If we’re going to criticize this admin then let’s at least do it faced on the facts.

Work is about producing goods and services, not emotion.

  IMO, it’s finding the balance of both. There are economic principles of supply and demand and jobs created by people with vision and willing to take a risk, but there’s also an ethical responsibility to the society that business exists in. That’s where proper regulation comes in.

Liberals use emotional appeals to keep spending at all time high levels
while demanding that the rich pay more and more to sustain the people
who have no self motivation to work.

Wow! That’s quite a broad generalization. The GOP has consistently used emotional appeals to religion, patriotism, the list goes on. Both sides use inflated emotional appeals as part of politics. No doubt there are people who abuse the system and look for a free ride. That’s one end of the spectrum. We need to also look at corruption and abuse at the other end as well, rather than pretend it doesn’t exist. A good society exists when ethical business people offer decent jobs that pay a living wage and the basics are within reach of more of the population.

I do completely agree that we need to promote the attitude that everyone needs to do what they are able to contribute to society rather than just take. However, we need to be realistic in dealing with the poor.

What if it was a blue politician? You know, as long as you are basing your argument on hypotheticals. C’mon – color had nothing to do with this report or any other report from Fox or any other news outlet. The race card has already become tiresome in the realm of politics and throwing it down in a situation like this just confirms people like you have too few actual incidents of real racism to which you can refer and too few valid arguments with which to defend this president. I would keep that arrow in your quiver until it’s legit, or nobody will care even then. Can I still say arrow? Too vitriolic?

Having said that, I have to agree with the rest of your post. This is really a non-issue. An American made vehicle would be great, sure, but this ain’t exactly a factory-equipped Ford F-150 and I assume the after-market parts are a little specialized. I can’t stand Obama’s policies, his incompetence, or his arrogant lecturing, but he holds the office of President of the United States and being voted out is the only way I want to see him gone. I honestly don’t think the origin of ANY part of these vehicles bears mentioning at all.Their primary function is to protect our leaders-left and right-, so…whatever gets the job done. 

Now, taking a photo-op with unemployed folks on the way to another vacation at Martha’s Vineyard while the country is in economic crisis? That’s a little out of touch and Obama deserves more criticism than he’s gotten for that. But then, I’m apparently a racist or something.

 Calm down.  Where did I denigrate Canada or Canadians?  I have no problem with trading with Canada and fully understand your contributions in Afghanistan.  The crux of the point is the American president’s continual do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do schtick.  He is a walking talking contradiction.  THAT’s the point.  My fucking head is right where it needs to be…. vetting this president and holding him to his own comments, assertions and exhortations.  He talks down to the American people and to American businessmen seemingly everyday.  And we’re sick of it.   Again, calm down.

See my reply to michaeldevolin

So where should he have gone to buy an All American bus?

So much for Fox and Friends with their fair and balanced news. They forgot to mention to their audience that a similar bus was ordered for the GOP presidential candidate. They also forgot to mention that a bus used by bush/Chaney in 2004 was made by the same Canadian company.

I did not say a goose step is not threatening, but now that you mention it, it is just silly. I laugh at the armies that use it on parade, and feel sorry for the soldiers who have to do it.

You ignore my more logical comment that all presidential ground vehicles have been black. You have no reasonable response to that, so you choose to use straw man, ad hominem attacks as a diversion.

Sharper your debating skills by learning to cede a point now and then, or at least come back with facts. Perhaps you can prove that a previous president used a deep blue limo? A while limo? A tangerine limo?

#4 on Alinsky’s tactics AAAND the race card seems like a bit of overkill. Just sayin’.

I think this story is much ado about nothing, true or not. But, considering the speed with which you pull the race card, you strike me as someone who defines “lies” as – anything with which you do not agree. Additionally, I’m betting you define “hate speech” as – anything with which you do not agree.
Am I in the ballpark there?
How would you feel about passing a law regulating Fox News’s reporting?

Dont think you can really call that a hissy? 

give it another read, and see if you can find the point this time.

Umm, did anybody here notice that Dylan Ratigan also
negatively commented about the bus purchase? 
So can somebody enlighten me about his hidden agenda?  BTW – FOX Noise sucks and, for the most part,
MSNBC does too.  So political party hacks
need not reply.

I said nothing about the goose step. That is your straw man. I laugh at dictators who demand that their soldiers goose step, and feel sorry for the soldiers who have to do it. It must must be hard on the joints.

Instead of responding with straw man and ad hominem attacks, try finding proof that any other president had a vehicle of any other color as his official limo.

LOL, LMAO, HLO.

I still challenge you to find a presidential limo that was not black.

Right. The point is that the Fox Fools should have left the bus thing alone.

But they didn’t. They only embarrassed themselves once again.

Where have you been Dan? I do like how you twisted the context of my comment to gain another opportunity to bash Bush and Reagan. I know how it compares to other presidents because I have watched 11 of them in my lifetime. I don’t need a book to tell me what I learned from life experience.

SO WHERE IS ABC NEWS THAT DID AN INVESTIGATIVE REPORT ON WHERE THE T-SHIRTS OF REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES WERE MADE??

HI Folks – - I am a Canadian who has lived and worked (and paid taxes) here in the US for several years. Americans have been absolutely wonderful and accepting of my family and me. We Canadians are not your enemy. US in Desert Storm (in 1991) and currently in Afghanistan. You buy our oil, you buy our resources, your companies have franchises and manufacturing plants in Canada. As well, Canadians buy a lot of American-made goods. Do we have a Free Trade Agreement with you or don’t we. What are we supposed to do? Should we send our recently-purchased F35 jets back to you because they were made in the USA? We really need to know what you guys want. I don’t think we’re going to get an answer anytime soon, because you folks are too busy fighting amongst yourselves. But if you can get back to us real soon, that would be great. I really like the US and all of you, but you guys are sort of making it hard on everyone. It’s getting harder to defend you when I travel back home, and the people there want to start talking more with China and Europe. Guys – we can do this, right?

DO ANY OF YOU HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHERE THE MAJORITY OF OUR DEBT CAME FROM AND WHO’S RESPONSIBLE? LYNDON JOHNSON, A DEMOCRAT, THAT’S WHO!! HIS “GREAT SOCIETY” STARTED THE BALL ROLLING TO WHERE WE NOW HAVE 4TH GENERATION WELFARE RECIPIENTS. HE CRIPPLED THE LOW INCOME PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY. THAT’S RIGHT C R I P P L E D!!!!!!! MADE THEM ALL “WARDS OF THE STATE”. WHY GO TO WORK WHEN I CAN SIT HOME AND CRANK OUT ILLEGITIMATE CHILDREN SO THAT I CAN COLLECT M O R E FROM SOCIAL SERVICES. BUT WHEN WE TRY TO CURB OR CHANGE “WELFARE” IT’S BRANDED AS “RACIST”!  I DON’T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM GIVING A “HELPING HAND” WHEN NEEDED. BUT I’M FRIGGIN TIRED OF PAYING THE FREIGHT FOR A BUNCH OF FRIGGIN LEECHES!!! LET T H E M PICK THE PRODUCE THAT I I L E G A L   A L I E N S ARE DOING NOW. NO MORE FREE LUNCH!!!!

I wonder what color KIm Jong Il’s armored train is? (black?)  You know, the one KIm is traveling to Russia in/on?

Our good buddies the Russkies, the one’s who have abandoned the way of conquest…  LOL

Purveyor

For the Russians, black and American made, of course. ;-)

About 10 years ago, I got real interested in the Korean War and did a lot of reading. All philosophical musings aside, Korea was awful war with an enemy that did not treat people or POWs humanely. Yet, typically we did treat them well, to our disadvantage. There was a terrible riot of Communist prisoners on an island off South Korea and Americans died. Just like the Pueblo and Mayaguez incidents, we let North Korea/Cambodia get away with too much…

Yes. And we had American soldiers guarding the supply “dumps” during the war, but had to remove them and replace them with Korean guards because the (we) Americans wouldn’t shoot the children who tried to steal the food. Korean guards would.
Of course it is cruel, but the children stopped trying. Drastic but effective.

That’s one I never heard! That is “Real Politik”, the quintessence. One of the best books I ever read was “Breakout” by Martin Russ. About the Chosin Reservoir campaign. In fact, I read it twice, something I seldom do. Thanks for that tid bit of reality. I enjoy reading about the great fighter pilots and our good friends the British, who supplied the Soviets with the engine for the MiG 15? Ouch