What happened to the riots in Greece?

Glenn Beck is an idiot spreading more fear and anxiety. From this he creates overzealous hater without legitimate reasons to hate. He is manipulating white anzieties, prejudice and fears while laughing all the way to the bank.

Moderate said:
What happened to the riots in Greece?

They slipped away

My favorite part was when he said China would control Australia. lolol

No, let me correct that. My favorite part is the idiots who believe what he says.

BECK: “at least, prepare to not get caught in the snowball.”

TRANSLATION: Buy seeds and gold.

Beck has gloomy view coming from Mid East…and he is right to be in such a mood. You’re joking with a pretty damb scalating crises. Beck is nearer of the truth than you silly boy!

boooooooring

Moderate said:
What happened to the riots in Greece?

They signed up for the George Soros underground one world government association or SUOGA and conspired to take down Glenn Beck so as a gesture of good faith he gave them $220 trillion of his secret stash to help bring about the end of America…and heal those economic thingys. You’ll find more on this at The Blaze.

The sky is falling….oh shit!

And he positions himself as the only one who’s able to stand beside us and point out the coming onslaught to

Not the only one who is able, but certainly the only one who appears to be willing.

“The magnets included cartoon fires to demonstrate riots as well as blue smiley faces that represented dictators…”
—————–

He only did that because he knows Joe Biden watches!

ClearThinker said:
Glenn Beck is an idiot spreading more fear and anxiety. From this he creates overzealous hater without legitimate reasons to hate. He is manipulating white anzieties, prejudice and fears while laughing all the way to the bank.

I don’t think you are thinking very clear.

Something tells me you don’t watch Glenn Beck, but you do react to him in a vicious hateful rants and raves!

BFD said:
My favorite part was when he said China would control Australia. lolol

No, let me correct that. My favorite part is the idiots who believe what he says.

China will control Australia fo sure man. Them china men know Kung Fu.

Gasket

Didn’t I read that you said you were leaving this site?

Why are you back?

If you left, you weren’t gone long enough for us to miss you.

ClearThinker said:
Glenn Beck is an idiot spreading more fear and anxiety. From this he creates overzealous hater without legitimate reasons to hate. He is manipulating white anzieties, prejudice and fears while laughing all the way to the bank.

HaHa. In one small paragraph ClearThinkier managed to drop the words- idiot, fear,anxiety, overzealous, hater, hate, manipulating, and prejudice.

You should change your name to UnintendedIrony!

Or ICantSpellAnxieties..

ClearThinker said:
Glenn Beck is an idiot spreading more fear and anxiety. From this he creates overzealous hater without legitimate reasons to hate. He is manipulating white anzieties, prejudice and fears while laughing all the way to the bank.

you sound just as paranoid as you claim Beck to be.

Foxnews doesn’t know where Egypt is!! http://bit.ly/gZax8h

Perhaps this is what Beck was talking about:

CNN Anchor Vigorously Praises Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cnn-anchor-vigorously-praises-muslim-brotherhood/

Why are Teabaggers so afraid of freedom and democracy spreading to Egypt?
Egyptians should be free to decide to live in a suppressive Islamic society under sharia law. Isn’t that what democracy is all about?

Chalkboards and smiley faces…..the man knows his viewers!

When the Muslim Brotherhood takes over in Egypt, the tally will be:

Brutal, human-rights-suppressing theocracies – 2
Democratic Administrations – 0

But wait, Obama still has 2 years for the theocrats to run up the score – can you say, Jordan?

The Tea Weasel said:
Chalkboards and smiley faces…..the man knows his viewers!

Beat you to it weasel, Joe Biden!

When one says another exaggerates or openly lies about what ever, I would think one would list references to show what is stated.
Beck says: While complaining that the media is depicting the Muslim Brotherhood as good guys (not really true) and that only Fox News has dared to compare the protests to the 1979 revolution in Iran (certainly not true).
In with the Not True, there should be link references to others who have to both. Otherwise Beck has more credibility.
Beck is very animated in all he does & does seem to be out there, yet about everything he states he offers references to & or suggest one does not take his word, but do your own research, regardless of radio or tv.
No I am not a Beck follower, I watch or listen to a variety of news outlets in hopes of gathering enough toget a real idea of what is going on.
It is sad that the news has come to this, yet it is what it is.

Burby said:
When one says another exaggerates or openly lies about what ever, I would think one would list references to show what is stated.Beck says: While complaining that the media is depicting the Muslim Brotherhood as good guys (not really true) and that only Fox News has dared to compare the protests to the 1979 revolution in Iran (certainly not true).In with the Not True, there should be link references to others who have to both. Otherwise Beck has more credibility.Beck is very animated in all he does & does seem to be out there, yet about everything he states he offers references to & or suggest one does not take his word, but do your own research, regardless of radio or tv.No I am not a Beck follower, I watch or listen to a variety of news outlets in hopes of gathering enough toget a real idea of what is going on.It is sad that the news has come to this, yet it is what it is.

Fortunately, I think a majority of people innately realize what you’ve just reasoned very well!

We should all buy Liberty safes to store our gold coins and survival seed gardens!

All I can say is….Jon will have one hell of a week.

Burby said:
When one says another exaggerates or openly lies about what ever, I would think one would list references to show what is stated.Beck says: While complaining that the media is depicting the Muslim Brotherhood as good guys (not really true) and that only Fox News has dared to compare the protests to the 1979 revolution in Iran (certainly not true).In with the Not True, there should be link references to others who have to both. Otherwise Beck has more credibility.Beck is very animated in all he does & does seem to be out there, yet about everything he states he offers references to & or suggest one does not take his word, but do your own research, regardless of radio or tv.No I am not a Beck follower, I watch or listen to a variety of news outlets in hopes of gathering enough toget a real idea of what is going on.It is sad that the news has come to this, yet it is what it is.

Agreed

When is Beck going on The Daily Show?

mcf1757 said:
Foxnews doesn’t know where Egypt is!! http://bit.ly/gZax8h

That’s gotta be a bitch for Greg Palkot.

grafxmail7 said:
When is Beck going on The Daily Show?

Agreed. One on one. No clapping seals in the audience. I’d like to see it

grafxmail7 said:
When is Beck going on The Daily Show?

He’s afraid… he’ll never go.

mcf1757 said:
Foxnews doesn’t know where Egypt is!! http://bit.ly/gZax8h

And Tingles doesn’t know where the Suez Canal is.

This dude is a total dick.

NORBIT Jr. said:
Beat you to it weasel, Joe Biden!

Touche!

Color Me Badd said:
This dude is a total dick.

That’s a pretty sexist comment, ma’am

Burby said:
Beck is very animated in all he does & does seem to be out there, yet about everything he states he offers references to & or suggest one does not take his word, but do your own research, regardless of radio or tv.

And if one has done the research and finds that Beck consistently overstates, is illogical, selectively mines quotes to fit his narrative, and seems to value honesty and his touted religious convictions very little, should we examine everything he says as if we’ve never done it before, or is it reasonable to expect the same patterns from him?

grafxmail7 said:
When is Beck going on The Daily Show?

I’d like to see Stewart invite Michael Savage on the show

Color Me Badd says:
This dude is a total dick.

And you’re a complete idiot.

Dsiscokid said:
Beck is very animated in all he does & does seem to be out there, yet about everything he states he offers references to & or suggest one does not take his word, but do your own research, regardless of radio or tv.

He says this time and time and time and time and time and time and time again. Sadly alot of folks have already made up their mind before they even listen

It’s strange that Fox News viewers can’t see that Glenn Beck really is manipulating people, liek really bizzarely strange. They think that liberals are saying this stuff just to attack Beck, that it’s just cause we’re on “the other side”.. but I’m actually a pretty open-minded person. I can tell when the right is spinning something and I can tell when the left is… but there is something extra in the right-wing mindset that I can’t really understand. This willingness to be lied to, to NOT go search for the facts, to NOT investigate what their leaders say.

Democrats and Liberals would be much more apt to listen to Republican/Tea Bag ideas.. if the party ever had a debate within itself. They need to evolve and start understanding that without science they woudln’t have the computers they are using.. so stop saying science is bad.

ANYWAY, us libs are waiting for you guys to grow up and realize you can’t have your imagined hillbilly world where everyone is white and we can ignore everywhere except the US. Libs are waiting for Republicans to see that their leaders are lying to them and on purpose… that Sarah Palin seriously doesn’t give a shit what happens to America, she’s just milking it for all she can… We are waiting for you to see that both Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh thrive on creating an insane and divisive narrative that can only do bad things for our country.

I bet there was an actual time when Dems/Republicans didn’t have so much animosity for each other but it looks like that won’t change for a while.

Continue to bitch about Obama, just make sure your bitching actually amounts to something because if it, you’re really just tarnishing the name of our country for fun… like it’s some game. Conservatives do everything they can to make Obama appear weak or wrong… but they are also doing that to America because the entire world is watching us right now.

Libs are waiting for Republicans to grow up and evolve to a new level. Screaming and shouting with your gun was a way of debating in the old west… but not here we are in 2011 and its the future, it’s time to act like it and it’s time to stop thinking that the government needs less responsibilities. If anything, in the coming years we need the government to keep things going in the right direction. Sure, taking government out of certain areas might help but “GET RID OF GOVERMENT!” no… our government holds us together and you have no idea what chaos we would all be in if tonight it decided to disband.

Grow up.

Burby’s quote, not mine. Apologies

grafxmail7 said:
When is Beck going on The Daily Show?

Never. The Becks, Limbaughs and Olbermanns of this world are simpering cowards afraid of a little honest debate.

So Snowspot, you think all of the animosity started when Obama was elected? Did you sleep through the Bush Derangement Syndrome of the last 8 years! The treatment he got from you libs is worse than Obama is getting. Stop trying rewrite such recent history.

Snowspot said:
ANYWAY, us libs are waiting for you guys to grow up and realize you can’t have your imagined hillbilly world where everyone is white and we can ignore everywhere except the US.

Snowspot said:
but I’m actually a pretty open-minded person

Snowspot said:
They need to evolve and start understanding that without science they woudln’t have the computers they are using.. so stop saying science is bad.

Point 1 – Notice the irony?
Point 2 – Who made the computers? Who made the humans who made the computers?

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
So Snowspot, you think all of the animosity started when Obama was elected? Did you sleep through the Bush Derangement Syndrome of the last 8 years! The treatment he got from you libs is worse than Obama is getting. Stop trying rewrite such recent history.

Um Bush was a maniac that bankrupted us. He cost us trillions and the lives of thousands of our soldiers. We also caused over 100,000 casualties in Iraq.

Bush is a war criminal, he sent us to war without reason and pretty much has ruined our country, that’s why we’re in the recession and that’s why Republicans are becoming Tea-Baggers. He let everyone down and now you guys want to take that out on Obama..

Obama is stuck with all his debt.. and you guys seemed to be smart for a few month, but then it suddenly stopped and you started blaming Obama for everything.

It’s just sad and the fact you cant see it… it doesn’t spell good things for your movement our my country :-/

God, Beck made an ass of himself on O’Reilly.

O’Reilly told Beck he was “wrong again” until Beck confessed he didn’t have any answers except “the system is broken, it is entirely broken”.

Even O’Reilly lost patience with him and he talked to Beck as he would a child.
Which is best when you think about it.

Dsiscokid said:
Point 1 – Notice the irony?
Point 2 – Who made the computers? Who made the humans who made the computers?

Sorry but your answers are pretty retarded and I’m pretty sure you don’t know what irony is :-/

Snowspot, your post tells me all I need to know about you. Run along and take your BDS meds.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Snowspot, your post tells me all I need to know about you. Run along and take your BDS meds.

You still didn’t answer about Bush starting two wars illegally, legalizing torture, and then bailing out the banks putting us in huge debt.

I mean, mostly the wars put us in debt. We are accumulating debt everyday from them.. and also negative morality because we are over there killing people and killing is bad.

We are both immoral and broke, thank god China has bailed us out (welfare).

You do all know Bush put us in debt and China is bailing us out. Would this mean that the entire world is socialist? Or just the US?

BruceGoose said:
We should all buy Liberty safes to store our gold coins and survival seed gardens!

I’m a Vegan and I buy all my vegetables from Whole Foods! And I eat falafels all the time so I’m not afraid of Muslims the way the baggers are!

BECK: We need to become Switzerland.

BECK (5 min later): I don’t think we can adopt that posture (neutral Switzerland) and survive either.

Two totally opposing views in the space of 5 minutes. Further proof that Beck talks out of his ass and is absolutely incomprehensible when debating someone .

Snowspot said:
Obama is stuck with all his debt..

True, and adding more and more and more of his own. If a person is in debt, does he keep writing checks with no money in his bank account.? Clinton spent a lot, Bush spent more, now Obama is spending more than both.

Snowspot said:
Um Bush was a maniac that bankrupted us. He cost us trillions and the lives of thousands of our soldiers. We also caused over 100,000 casualties in Iraq.

That’s what he gets for following the “intelligence” of his predessessors – Clinton (D) and his Daddy (R)

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Snowspot, your post tells me all I need to know about you.

Erm, do you have something else to go by? lol

CosmosDan said:
should we examine everything he says as if we’ve never done it before, or is it reasonable to expect the same patterns from him?

I’d lean to the former, but I get what you’re saying

The snow balls are coming buy gold !

Snowspot said:
Sorry but your answers are pretty retarded and I’m pretty sure you don’t know what irony is :-/

Are insults your charming way to say “I can’t answer your questions”?

The funniest part was when Bill was talking about WWII but Beck kept reverting to WWI because that was how he prepared his narrative.

O’Reilly told him to knock it off. lolol

Dsiscokid said:
Are insults your charming way to say “I can’t answer your questions”?

I insult people when they act like idiots and try to pass it off as wisdom, feel free to do the same to me if you think I’m making that mistake. Here’s what we were discussing:

Snowspot said:
“ANYWAY, us libs are waiting for you guys to grow up and realize you can’t have your imagined hillbilly world where everyone is white and we can ignore everywhere except the US.
Snowspot said:
but I’m actually a pretty open-minded person
Snowspot said:
They need to evolve and start understanding that without science they woudln’t have the computers they are using.. so stop saying science is bad.
Point 1 – Notice the irony?
Point 2 – Who made the computers? Who made the humans who made the computers?”

——–

Point 1: Ok? there’s no actual point here and without an explanation I can’t tell what he’s getting at. I don’t see how I’m not open-minded, I actually think most tea-baggers would like to live in an old-fashioned world in the country, away from minorities. That’s not me being close-minded, I didn’t just decide that one day. It’s from being on message boards, watching television, meeting tea-baggers. I have a belief that most of the Tea Party doesn’t really think things through. It’s a lot of fantasy without any research because then research might break that fantasy. We already live in a liberal country. If you don’t want to be so liberal as to have abortion, or rights for gays… just go away! Those aren’t “values”, you just don’t like a group of people that do things you wouldn’t.

Point 2: Uhh, this is truly a retarded answer because it seems like there is a short circuit in the persons brain. God made the computers? How do I even talk to a retard like this? He’s someone that shouldn’t be taken seriously politically.. so I don’t… and I wont respond because it’d take too long to explain to him that humans created computers, not god.

Glenn Beck ….you are a sick evil heartless bastard….you are the bread of the (right-winger hate-monger) community…for facts ,you are. the real 666

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Perhaps this is what Beck was talking about:
CNN Anchor Vigorously Praises Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood

Richard Engle NBC’s chief foriegn correspondent talks about them too. He even said today on MSNBC he met with a member today. He’s also lived around them for 4yrs and said they were peaceful and would help people out in need. Maybe if you did some research or watched something besides Fox you might know something about them. But you watch Fox and because they have MUSLIM in their name then that’s automatically evil.

Snowspot said:
Um Bush was a maniac that bankrupted us. He cost us trillions and the lives of thousands of our soldiers. We also caused over 100,000 casualties in Iraq. Bush is a war criminal, he sent us to war without reason and pretty much has ruined our country, that’s why we’re in the recession and that’s why Republicans are becoming Tea-Baggers. He let everyone down and now you guys want to take that out on Obama.. Obama is stuck with all his debt.. and you guys seemed to be smart for a few month, but then it suddenly stopped and you started blaming Obama for everything. It’s just sad and the fact you cant see it… it doesn’t spell good things for your movement our my country :-/

And under Obama, we’re into our third straight year, averaging a deficit TRIPLE the size of Bush’s already criminally huge deficits…. why?

Just_MC said:
And under Obama, we’re into our third straight year, averaging a deficit TRIPLE the size of Bush’s already criminally huge deficits…. why?

Do you have a source for that?

Snowspot said:
Do you have a source for that?

Sure, here you are.

Bush era deficits peaked at about 450 billion. Since then we had just over a Trillion in 2009, over 1.7 trillion in 2010, and we’re projecting another 1.4 Trillion this year. A pretty consistent average of about 1.4 trillion, which is almost exactly triple the WORST of the Bush era deficits.

This covers up through 2009:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Deficits_vs._Debt_Increases_-_2009.png

This covers 2010 (a summary box on the right shows 1.71 Trillion):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_federal_budget

The 2011 projection is all over the place, here’s one:
http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/15-trillion-dollar-budget-deficit-2011

fiera said:
Glenn Beck ….you are a sick evil heartless bastard….you are the bread of the (right-winger hate-monger) community…for facts ,you are. the real 666

Snowspot said:
Uhh, this is truly a retarded answer because it seems like there is a short circuit in the persons brain. God made the computers? How do I even talk to a retard

BFD said:
lolol

3 idiots .

The Lantern of Truth said:
3 idiots .

I prefer retard.

Snowspot said:
I prefer retard.

It’s pronounced ‘retard.’

Dsiscokid said:
I’d like to see Stewart invite Michael Savage on the show

Is Savage capable of an intelligent discussion with someone who really knows what they are talking about?

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
So Snowspot, you think all of the animosity started when Obama was elected? Did you sleep through the Bush Derangement Syndrome of the last 8 years! The treatment he got from you libs is worse than Obama is getting. Stop trying rewrite such recent history.

Lets see, worse treatment for Bush than Obama ? Hmmmm…. Bush was untouchable by the media from his election through Katrina. Do you remember MSNBC canceling their top rated show because Phil Donahue seen by management as too liberal ? Do you remember the NY Times cheer leading our way to war? Do you remember when even a semi challenging question to Bush was responded to by Ari Fleisher with a threatening “We’re paying attention in the building to what’s being said” – Do you recall Lynne Cheney chairing a foundation devoted to recording anti-government speech on campus by professors AND students? Any criticism of Bush was unpatriotic 2001-2005. Only the catastrophic response to Katrina broke down the intertia of Bush criticism. Prior to that, the protests and resistance to Bush was overwhelmingly protest marchers (who did indeed carry pics of Bush as Hitler and got about 5 mins of air time on most of the ever so “liberal” media) the Daily Show and Air America. Except for Maxine Waters and Bernie Sanders, no national politicians openly disrespected Bush in the media or the halls of congress.

And lets take stock of today, where it is an article of faith among the entire GOP House delegation and the majority of the GOP in the Senate that Obama, ( a moderate, tepid, Pro-Wall Street, pro Comporate, Pro War machine, often to the right of Bush 41 President) is some sort of Marxist, Anarchist, Muslim hybrid. Many still play footsie with the Birthers, afraid to step on their crazy. You have people like Steve King, Bachmann, Palin, DeMint, O’Connell, Joe Wilson, Coburn, Broun, Vitter, Bartlett, Ghomert, Jenkins, Hoekstra, Pence and Franks just to name a few, who are stumbling over each other to say more extreme things about Obama’s supposed extreme leftist stances and perverse world view. Add to that the Tea Party, co-opted within 2 weeks of its birth via Freedom Works (sponsored by Verizon, big oil, Coal, etc…) and Americans for Prosperity (funded by The Kochs) and turned into a Fox News driven cyclone of fear and misinformation designed to scare the crap out of low information voters until they were complete avenging pro-corporate zombies ready to “water the tree of liberty” with the blood of any politician left of Glenn Beck.

And of course the 2001-2005 combination of Air America and the occasional second term growling from Keith Olbermann is completely the same as the uniform daily screeds by Roger Ailes 24 hour-day propeganda Arm, highlighted by Beck, Hannity and O’Reilly, not to mention Limbaugh-Hewitt-Gallagher-Savage-Ingraham-Levin all day by radio.

So yeah, the opposition to Bush was so much worse than Obama gets, because a bunch of semi-organized (and at the time demonized) lefties ALWAYS get more attention than endlessly funded right wing think tanks, news networks, politicians and astro-turf organizations.

Just_MC said:
And under Obama, we’re into our third straight year, averaging a deficit TRIPLE the size of Bush’s already criminally huge deficits…. why?

How ’bout you run that right wing cannard through Factcheck.org or another objective news source?

Dsiscokid said:
I’d lean to the former, but I get what you’re saying

Once someone has demonstrated a pattern of behavior I think it’s reasonable to expect that pattern to continue. Rather than having to double check someone who has proven to be an unreliable source, I think time is better spent to find a source that is more reliable to begin with.

Just_MC said:
Bush era deficits peaked at about 450 billion. Since then we had just over a Trillion in 2009,

Actually, Obama inherited a deficit of 1.2 Trillion on the day he was inaugurated, according the the Congressional Buget Office. Bush’s last budget created that deficit.

Also, the economic collapse, which Obama also inherited, created a massive shortfall of revenue (fact) and a massive need for federal spending to prevent the US economy from free falling into a full depression (opinion, albeit one held by the vast majority of economists in this country, Nobel prize winning ones, for those who value that)

Contrast that with what Bush had to work with, which was the huge surpluses that he inherited.

Angstone said:
Angstone says:
January 31, 2011 at 11:13 pm

And don’t forget on Fox it was un-American to criticize a sitting President in the time of war when troops were in harms way. That went right out the door when Obama was elected.

Angstone said:
How ’bout you run that right wing cannard through Factcheck.org or another objective news source?

How about you furnish anything that disputes it? I gave links for my numbers. Show what the true numbers were then.

(And as an aside, don’t kid yourself with the premise of Factcheck being unbiased.)

Snowspot said:
It’s strange that Fox News viewers can’t see that Glenn Beck really is manipulating people, liek really bizzarely strange. They think that liberals are saying this stuff just to attack Beck, that it’s just cause we’re on “the other side”.. but I’m actually a pretty open-minded person. I can tell when the right is spinning something and I can tell when the left is… but there is something extra in the right-wing mindset that I can’t really understand. This willingness to be lied to, to NOT go search for the facts, to NOT investigate what their leaders say.

Democrats and Liberals would be much more apt to listen to Republican/Tea Bag ideas.. if the party ever had a debate within itself. They need to evolve and start understanding that without science they woudln’t have the computers they are using.. so stop saying science is bad.

ANYWAY, us libs are waiting for you guys to grow up and realize you can’t have your imagined hillbilly world where everyone is white and we can ignore everywhere except the US. Libs are waiting for Republicans to see that their leaders are lying to them and on purpose… that Sarah Palin seriously doesn’t give a shit what happens to America, she’s just milking it for all she can… We are waiting for you to see that both Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh thrive on creating an insane and divisive narrative that can only do bad things for our country.

I bet there was an actual time when Dems/Republicans didn’t have so much animosity for each other but it looks like that won’t change for a while.

Continue to bitch about Obama, just make sure your bitching actually amounts to something because if it, you’re really just tarnishing the name of our country for fun… like it’s some game. Conservatives do everything they can to make Obama appear weak or wrong… but they are also doing that to America because the entire world is watching us right now.

Libs are waiting for Republicans to grow up and evolve to a new level. Screaming and shouting with your gun was a way of debating in the old west… but not here we are in 2011 and its the future, it’s time to act like it and it’s time to stop thinking that the government needs less responsibilities. If anything, in the coming years we need the government to keep things going in the right direction. Sure, taking government out of certain areas might help but “GET RID OF GOVERMENT!” no… our government holds us together and you have no idea what chaos we would all be in if tonight it decided to disband.

Grow up.

Never going to happen as long as a very affluent minority see a way to create so much fear and hatred as an impenetrable smokescreen to get tens of millions of low information voters to go to the ramparts to fight against all sorts of perceived liberal and progressive evils when the true right wing core agenda driving it is simple: Roll back as much corporate oversight and regulation as humanly possible especially eliminating any thoughts of oversight or reform of the financial sector ; eliminate the inheritance tax; don’t allow the top marginal rate to slide back from 36 to 39.6%.

For this, the wealthiest sliver of the right wing would happily sit back and watch the other 98% of us tear each other to ribbons.

Just_MC said:
How about you furnish anything that disputes it? I gave links for my numbers. Show what the true numbers were then.

(And as an aside, don’t kid yourself with the premise of Factcheck being unbiased.)

I gave you CBO numbers in the next post. I actually heard Bohner go after them a few weeks ago, too. If thats the case, I suppose you can create any facts you care to. Why not say that Bush had wiped out the national debt with prayer, and Obama ran up a Quadrillion dollars in debt his first week?

Angstone said:
Actually, Obama inherited a deficit of 1.2 Trillion on the day he was inaugurated, according the the Congressional Buget Office. Bush’s last budget created that deficit. Also, the economic collapse, which Obama also inherited, created a massive shortfall of revenue (fact) and a massive need for federal spending to prevent the US economy from free falling into a full depression (opinion, albeit one held by the vast majority of economists in this country, Nobel prize winning ones, for those who value that) Contrast that with what Bush had to work with, which was the huge surpluses that he inherited.

Bush was an unqualified disaster. My point is in no way to defend a single thing about Bush. Not a thing. My point is simply that Obama has found a way to be even more fiscally irresponsible. People who approve of either of them are smoking partisan crack. They are both HORRIBLE. But EVEN if you want to play the game of the inherited deficit, Obama is content to continue to run budget deficits at the disastrous level, and more important, to run the spending up at that disastrous level.

3.8 Trillion!! That’s double the already bloated federal budget of a decade ago. How about we return to 2000 budget levels and pay 400 billion off the national debt this year?

Paul Krugman is a Nobel prize winner. (So was Obama before he even took a seat in the Oval office, and so was Al Gore for lying successfully in the greatest hoax in the history of planet Eearth.) The wonderful world of phony credentials. How about looking at what Krugman actually prescribes, and it’s effect.

The dolt doesn’t even comprehend econ 101. All the artificial stimulus of cheap money and government backing DE-COUPLES the people in the market from the natural corrective forces. If you put your hand on a hot stove, the pain will get it back off before you hurt yourself too badly. That is a HEALTHY pain. What Krugman prescribes is neverending anaesthesia, so you can leave your hand on the hot burner until you don’t HAVE A HAND anymore. It’s so moronic I don’t even believe he is dumb enough to believe it. He’s a propagandist for the STATE CONTROL machine.

But I will admit I might be wrong about that last part. Maybe he is that stupid.

You want to make sense of economics? How about considering the views of the economists who CORRECTLY PREDICTED ALL THE PAIN WE ARE EXPERIENCING? Try mises.org…

Just_MC said:
All the artificial stimulus of cheap money and government backing DE-COUPLES the people in the market from the natural corrective forces.

I agree that we have to get spending under control, but at what human cost. Yes, there will be a reckoning if we continue to run up unsustainable debt. But when consumers then business are terrified to spend, as they were in 2008, you are left with a horrible choice either to go with the “spender of last resort” – the government via stimulative spending, or allow the economy to plunge into a death spiral into a deep depression that would literally ruin tens or hundreds of millions of lives? I would argue that the data on the relatively small stimulus (800 billion into a shortfall of 2.4 trillion) did some good, as did the successful bailout of GM. Yes, it does prolong and expand the deficit problem, but at least you still are alive as an economic entity to fight it.

Also, in my book, the economist who really nailed the meltdown was Nouriel Roubini. He seems to be somewhere in the middle of our two positions.

Also, I’m assuming you are referring to Climate Change in your knock on Al Gore. Not sure how you can objectively look at all the data on the side of the those who claim Climate Change is real and accelerated by man-made factors, then look at the data against, while also looking at the objectivity of the sources and really feel that there is a credible argument still to be made. When you take away the science funded by Big Oil and energy companies directly, and by front organizations funded by same, there are scant few climate scientists left standing. Also, I still have yet to hear a decent argument for what the 3000 or so independent climatologists have to gain by advancing the grim news that they are finding. I’ve seen murmured accusations that it’s for grants, or a left wing plot to hurt capitalism, or some green conspiracy to make billions with wind turbines and with carbon offsets. Really?

To Snowspot….You claim you are open minded, yet hurl lies and insults at people you don’t agree with. Do you not see the utter hypocrisy in your post? Man, who was created in the image of God, used his God-given abilities to invent computers.No one is against science, just false assumptions that some want to pass off as science. Now if you don’t want to believe the truth, that’s on you. May God bless you and reveal Himself to you.

Angstone said:
I agree that we have to get spending under control, but at what human cost. Yes, there will be a reckoning if we continue to run up unsustainable debt. But when consumers then business are terrified to spend, as they were in 2008, you are left with a horrible choice either to go with the “spender of last resort” – the government via stimulative spending, or allow the economy to plunge into a death spiral into a deep depression that would literally ruin tens or hundreds of millions of lives? I would argue that the data on the relatively small stimulus (800 billion into a shortfall of 2.4 trillion) did some good, as did the successful bailout of GM. Yes, it does prolong and expand the deficit problem, but at least you still are alive as an economic entity to fight it. Also, in my book, the economist who really nailed the meltdown was Nouriel Roubini. He seems to be somewhere in the middle of our two positions. Also, I’m assuming you are referring to Climate Change in your knock on Al Gore. Not sure how you can objectively look at all the data on the side of the those who claim Climate Change is real and accelerated by man-made factors, then look at the data against, while also looking at the objectivity of the sources and really feel that there is a credible argument still to be made. When you take away the science funded by Big Oil and energy companies directly, and by front organizations funded by same, there are scant few climate scientists left standing. Also, I still have yet to hear a decent argument for what the 3000 or so independent climatologists have to gain by advancing the grim news that they are finding. I’ve seen murmured accusations that it’s for grants, or a left wing plot to hurt capitalism, or some green conspiracy to make billions with wind turbines and with carbon offsets. Really?

You seem to be completely caught up in reading the tea leaves of motivation, rather than looking directly at the science. This is a hopeless path.

The last 500,000 years of ice core data show regular 125,000 year cycles between ice ages and warmings. About 2/3 of the time is ice age, about 1/3 warm periods. There are smaller, quicker oscillations about every 1500 years or so throughout.

Other aspects of the fossil record, from sea beds and other places, agree with these observations.

CO2 levels vary along with these cycles as well.

What we are seeing today seems well within that historical temperature fluctuation. And virtually all of it happened before there was any human industrial activity. It appears to coincide with planetary geometry (orbits and wobble, etc), which makes sense when you consider that the relationship between the Earth and the Sun is a naturally likely driver of climate.

All of this should be considered with the climategate scandal and the closing of rural weather stations that have been shown to correlate precisely with temperature rise data.
http://johnosullivan.livejournal.com/4521.html

When you simply focus on the potential motivations of who funds research, it’s hopeless. I would not be the least bit surprised if big oil funds human-warming skeptic research. Look who funds the other side. Tax dollars from those who would create the market of permits, grabbing complete control of the energy industry. Both sides stand to gain from winning. Whom do you trust? Neither. Pay attention to the science itself.

Angstone said:
I agree that we have to get spending under control, but at what human cost. Yes, there will be a reckoning if we continue to run up unsustainable debt.

It’s insane not to consider the human cost of making the problem worse. There will be a painful reckoning no matter what. It’s criminal to postpone it by making it worse for everyone down the road.

Facing up to this problem is like planting a tree. The best time to do it is 50 years ago. The next best time is RIGHT NOW.

What people fail to realize here is the consequence of malinvestment. The pain will suck but what it will do is direct resources to the most important places. Postponing the pain gets rid of the corrective forces to direct resources to the right places. The debt piles up AND the fundamentals of the economy get worse, as people spend their money on flat screens and cars that cost too much and burn too much gas, and so on.

Facing the pain is the only way to make anything get better.

Fools think economies just get worse and get better, depending on TIME. They don’t A healthy economy will see small booms and busts with time, but the swings are caused by market forces and corrections. When the government decouples the economy from the corrective forces, the economy doesn’t swing back. It just gets worse. It FEELS like it is doing better in the short term, but this is illusory. It is more comfortable, but it is not improving.

fiera said:
Glenn Beck ….you are a sick evil heartless bastard….you are the bread of the (right-winger hate-monger) community…for facts ,you are. the real 666

Well Shit! That ‘splanes everything!

Who watches this Clown?

This is Glenn’s last days theories spinning out. Soon there will be panic in the streets, swarms of undead scavenging for food, gun fights in the streets, as the faithful defend their bunkers, and the rotting corpses of the unfaithful lay scattered about. No not in Egypt, here in America, right on the horizon.

He is right. This might be another Iran, and just how much freedom did the Iranian’s get from the 1979 revolution?

Zero-zip-nada

TrollJuice said:
Who watches this Clown?

Who?

More than watched KO or RM in prime-time, clown!

Angstone said:
Actually, Obama inherited a deficit of 1.2 Trillion on the day he was inaugurated, according the the Congressional Buget Office. Bush’s last budget created that deficit.

Also, the economic collapse, which Obama also inherited, created a massive shortfall of revenue (fact) and a massive need for federal spending to prevent the US economy from free falling into a full depression (opinion, albeit one held by the vast majority of economists in this country, Nobel prize winning ones, for those who value that)

Contrast that with what Bush had to work with, which was the huge surpluses that he inherited.

not to mention the trillions of dollars his two wars cost that was left of his budget but added to obama’s.

WOW! With all of that fire, I’m going to buy stock in fire extinguisher companies TODAY!
Thanks crazy Glenn!

How very interesting that all the projections and hypotheticals that Glenn Beck made YESTERDAY are being expounded upon as “likely scenarios” by the “international affairs experts on the middle east” TODAY. Is this Glenn Beck a prophet or does he simply research and know what he’s talking about?

grafxmail7 said:
When is Beck going on The Daily Show?

Why should he. He doesn’t need them, they need him!

Once again, Beck is plunging into a topic that he has had ZERO education in, spouting views that are idiotic at best and as usual, royally messing up the facts:

Glenn Beck displayed a symbol on a map of Turkey that, as Beck explained, indicated it is a “frenemy” and “a dictator that we’ve made friends with.” In reality, Turkey’s government is a republic, and Turkey has been a NATO ally since 1952.
Beck Graphic Indicates Turkey Is One Of The “Dictators” The U.S. “Made Friends With”

Beck: “The Little Blue Faces Are The — Are Really The Dictators That We’ve Made Friends With.” From Glenn Beck:

BECK: The little blue faces are the — are really the dictators that we’ve made friends with. We said — they’re frenemies, really. There’s 125 dead in Egypt in over a week. Egypt is a frenemy.

OK, let’s look at the map, at our friends, our frenemies, and our enemies. Do you see very many friends, the little yellow ones? [Glenn Beck, 1/31/11]

Now for the facts that seem to elude Beck on a daily basis:

State Department Lists Turkey As A Republic. From the State Department’s “Background Notes: Turkey”:

Government
Type: Republic.
Independence: October 29, 1923.
Constitution: November 7, 1982. Amended in 1987, 1995, 2001, 2007, and 2010.
Branches: Executive–president (chief of state), prime minister (head of government), Council of Ministers (cabinet–appointed by the president on the nomination of the prime minister). Legislative–Grand National Assembly (550 members) chosen by national elections at least every 4 years. Judicial–Constitutional Court, Court of Cassation, Council of State, and other courts.
Political parties with representatives in Parliament: Justice and Development Party (AKP) (336 seats), Republican People’s Party (CHP) (101 seats), Nationalist Action Party (MHP) (70 seats), Peace and Democracy Party (BDP) (20 seats), Democratic Left Party (DSP) (6 seats), Democrat Party (DP) (1 seat), Turkey Party (TP) (1 seat), seven independents, and eight vacant seats.

Suffrage: Universal, 18 and older.
National holiday: Republic Day, October 28-29. [State.gov, accessed 1/31/11]

State Department: “Turkey’s Primary Political, Economic, And Security Ties Are With The West” And “Has Made Important Contributions To The International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) In Afghanistan.” From the State Department’s “Background Notes: Turkey”:

ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
Turkey’s primary political, economic, and security ties are with the West, but the AKP government has also sought to strengthen relations with its Middle Eastern neighbors and Central Asian, African, and Latin American countries.

Turkey entered NATO in 1952 and serves as the organization’s vital eastern anchor, as it controls the straits leading from the Black Sea to the Aegean and shares a border with Syria, Iraq, and Iran. NATO’s Air Component Command Headquarters is located in Izmir and NATO’s Rapid Deployable Corps-Turkey is headquartered in Istanbul. Turkey has made important contributions to the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan, commanding ISAF four times (2002, 2005, 2009-2010, and 2010-2011). Turkey currently commands Regional Command Capital and has set up two Provincial Reconstruction Teams in Wardak and Jowzjan Provinces, with approximately 1,700 troops stationed in Afghanistan.

Glenn Beck is not a moron, but it’s times like these that really make you wonder: how many brain cells still function in that drug-rattled mind of his? I’ve heard high school students more qualified to discuss the Middle East than Beck is.

I give Beck credit for not letting sheer ignorance get in the way of his spouting off. Glenn Beck is the model of The Triumph of Ignorance!

Reactionary, ignorant puppets of Beck will attack me in 5, 4, 3, 2, … let’s hear it from the home bound Beckerheads!

I’m gonna do my share of copy and paste. Here is Conor over at the atlanting talking about the above video of beck schooling his audience;

Above is a Glenn Beck clip that Michael Moynihan calls “the dumbest thing ever broadcast on (non-cable access) television.” If you’ve never tuned into Beck’s show, it’s worth watching, because you might be under the misimpression that he’s just a Bill O’Reilly-style blowhard, or that he just regurgitates GOP talking points like Sean Hannity.

Only after grasping his singular madness can you comprehend why the most vexing passage from his monologue is this:

I’m not going to give you the two minute sound-byte. I’m not going to treat you like you’re a moron. I’m going to treat you like you really do want to understand what’s going on in the world. We’ll piece this thing together. It’s going to take a few days. But I invite you to DVR this show every night. Don’t miss an episode. Tell your friends, “Don’t miss an episode.” This is important stuff.

As I’ve said before, lots of Glenn Beck listeners aren’t in on the joke. Unlike Roger Ailes, Jonah Goldberg, and every staffer at the Heritage Foundation happy hour, they don’t realize that the Fox News Channel puts this man on the air fully understanding that large parts of his program are  uninformed nonsense mixed with brazen bullshit. When a Fox News host tells these viewers, “I’m not going to treat you like you’re a moron,” playing on their insecurity about other media outlets talking down to or lying to them, they take it at face value. What sort of callous, immoral person allows these viewers to be played for fools?

Conjure in your mind a retired grandfather. He served in World War II, voted twice for Ronald Reagan, and supports the Tea Party. Awhile back, he started watching Glenn Beck – was it because that young man from National Review mentioned he would be on the program, or did he want to see Sarah Palin be interviewed? In any case, a lot of conservatives he trusted seemed happy to go on the show and never gave any indication that it wasn’t a perfectly legitimate news program. Besides, Fox News generally seemed to share his ideological convictions. He even watched an interview with Roger Ailes once. The guy seemed reasonable enough. Certainly not the sort of person who would knowingly air the ravings of a known charlatan night after night.

Back when this man ran his own small business, he once caught an employee lying to a customer in a way that improved the bottom line. He fired him immediately. It seemed as if it was obviously the right thing to do. So it never even crosses his mind that a whole news network cheered by lots of people he trusts would profit by feeding the most blinkered kind of obviously wrong information to millions of people.

“I’m going to treat you like you really do want to understand what’s going on in the world,” Beck tells this man. “We’ll piece it together.”

I appreciate that this is my hobbyhorse, and that others think that the faults of cable news networks are an unimportant matter. But the fact that Roger Ailes and his associates air this kind of nonsense –couched in these kinds of assurances! – is indefensible. It is hard to think of anyone who disrespects and takes advantage of conservatives more than they do. And although they make mounds of money, they ought to be objects of disgrace, akin to any other manipulative huckster who preys on the elderly.

Did these people never have grandparents?

Bershad wrote, “Things are getting serious in the Mediterranean and they’re also getting serious on The Glenn Beck Show. While complaining that the media is depicting the Muslim Brotherhood as good guys (not really true) and that only Fox News has dared to compare the protests to the 1979 revolution in Iran (certainly not true),….”

WHAT? Jon, are you implying that Beck is talking out his ass again? Bershad says “certainly not true.” Media Matters calls them “false claims.” However, Beck plays bare-fisted, smash mouth politics, and so do I. Let’s call it as you understand it Jon: Beck is a bald-faced liar. Usually, when Beck is talking about other media, he’s just making things up.

Jon Bershad, if you’re going to cover Glenn Beck, why not John Grisham or some other novelist? Beck’s been talking about the coming insurrection for months. It has been idiotic fear mongering all along, and it still is! Glenn Beck knows as much about foreign policy and world politics as I know about brain surgery. Only a moron would come to me to have a tumor removed from their brain. Only morons would listen to Beck talk about this crisis and not laugh out loud at his sheer ignorance. For heaven’s sake, Beck is not well informed!

I realize that doesn’t stop people for hanging on his every word, but it sure as hell should! It is bit ridiculous to ask why so few Americans are politically literate, much less hold politically coherent ideas, after we have gutted public education, turned schools into learning prisons and told young people over and over again they are consumers and not citizens. Political literacy, we learn, is no longer even a requirement for employment at Fox, but is in fact seen as a drawback.

Fox Propaganda: The know-nothing network for no-nothing citizens. Corruption is Fox “News?”

Beck rarely has shown much evidence that he really has an idea of what he’s saying. When I say that he’s a charlatan, that is primarily what I mean. The number of courses Beck has had on world politics: ZERO. The number of semesters Beck has completed in college: ZERO. The number of books Beck has mentioned reading that has anything to do with Egypt or International Relations: ZERO. The number of facts Beck got right in this lecture about Turkey: ZERO!

Smart people know their limitations. Beck should no more discuss foreign relations than I should write prescriptions for mental patients. He is in way over his head, but instead of honestly admitting that he doesn’t know enough about this, or even bringing in an expert on his show to discuss this prairie fire of revolution, Beck forges ahead and makes a complete ass of himself. If he were smart, he would not take this on himself. Smart people know their limitations. Beck clearly does not.

Beck is not stupid; Beck is not smart. Beck is … eh. Glenn Beck is the blind leading the gullible for 10 years.

TrollJuice said:
Who watches this Clown?

My daddy says no one should watch Glenn Beck. He says that everyone should just listen to him and they will know the truth about Glenn Beck.

TrollJuice said:
“Who watches this Clown?
Who?”

notsofast says:
“More than watched KO or RM in prime-time, clown!”

Glenn Beck, the self-proclaimed rodeo clown, proves that Lincoln was right: you can fool some of the people all of the time. Beck does an amazing job fooling fools.

BOMBSHELL said:
My daddy says no one should watch Glenn Beck. He says that everyone should just listen to him and they will know the truth about Glenn Beck.

Hilarious.

Maddow didn’t cover nearly all of the problems with Beck’s idiotic rant and his utterly stupid prophesies. It’s hard to understand how anyone would confuse a self-proclaimed rodeo clown with a Middle East analyst. Beck is the ignorant leading the extremely ignorant, but he’s REALLY good at it.

There are so many ways Beck is flat-out wrong with his analysis about Egypt including flat-out lies. Get the facts:

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2011/02/maddow-discusses-becks-toxic-nonsense.html

and help counter the lies he spreads to gullible people that watch Fox.

It’s so weird: when my wife listens to Beck, she gets “an overwhelming feeling of evil” too. I asked her why, and she said that she could tell that he is a liar by HOW he speaks.

I’m more empirical and philosophically trained. Beck lies and we prove this day after day. I have a long list of posts detailing Beck’s false claims, and I don’t post nearly all the ones I know about. I have a large unused file detailing many of Beck’s lies.

Beck is on the wrong side of history again, but — not surprising — he was on the side of democracy in the Middle East in support of Bush’s war of choice against Iraq. He hasn’t changed his mind: Glenn Beck is a hypocrite through and through. I prove this with facts and logic over and over again. And this begs the question: why does Beck has such a large following?

Yes, he’s persuasive and cunning and gifted. He’s also highly skilled at manipulating his viewers; Beck is a master manipulator. Why else would more of his followers not hear the lies I could detect before starting The Glenn Beck Review. He programs his viewers to dismiss any and all criticism of him, no matter how factual and unbiased, no matter how honest. This has led me to a recent re-evaluation of his intellect as of late. He’s still ignorant about the world, but he’s very bright, clever, gifted, persuasive and intelligent. It’s taken a while to see that, but the link about his manipulation skills forced me into rethinking just how smart he is.

It’s still all about Glenn Beck. His motivations, according to Beck’s biographer, Alex Zaitchik, “are, and have always been, money and fame. If Beck has a true religion, it’s not Patriotism. It’s not Mormonism. It’s cross-platform self-marketing.” Those who do not grasp this about him, can not hear his lies or hypocrisies, do not recognize that this uneducated, ignorant man is a charlatan and yellow propagandist, are victims more than they are supporters. They are to be pitied, not respected.

Well, here we are, eight months later.  Read all of your comments, and then look at the world around you today:

Ask yourself again, “Where are the riots in Greece?”

Ask yourself again, “So much for the Muslim Brotherhood and their desires for a caliphate.”

Ask yourself again, “What is the big deal about Egypt or Tunisia?”

From the Occupy Wall Street website:

“Occupy Wall Street is a people-powered movement that began on
September 17, 2011 in Liberty Square in Manhattan’s Financial District,
and has spread to over 100 cities in the United States and actions in
over 1,500 cities globally. #OWS is fighting back against the corrosive
power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic
process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse
that has caused the greatest recession in generations. The movement is
inspired by popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia…”Do liberals understand critical thinking?  Do they just wake up every morning as if the day before didn’t exist?

Zombies of a different flavor, it seems, eight months later.

Surpluses from whom, exactly?  Bill Clinton?  News flash:  Clinton ran in the negative every single year of his presidency, before his impeachment.  Counting social security as “revenue” is just a clever way to fool the sheep.

BAAAA! BAAAA!