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Howard Fineman: Republican Party In A ‘Slow-Motion Secession’ From Rest Of America

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Chris Matthews was interested in the impact on the Republican primary if Texas Governor Rick Perry potentially decided to enter. Although most on the panel agreed Mitt Romney was the stronger overall candidate, Howard Fineman warned that Perry might be far more appealing to today’s Republican party, despite Perry being like a Saturday Night Live imitation of former President George W. Bush.

Fineman explained about Perry:

“He’s perfect for the tenor of the Republican party today, which I think in the debt fight is showing that they’re in the midst of a kind of slow-motion secession politically from the rest of America.”

Given that Texas wasn’t always part of the United States, Fineman speculates Perry would be uniquely appealing to the Tea Party people. Matthews however, preferred a simpler description to explain Perry’s appeal and the potential decline in interest in Michele Bachmann: he’s the shiny new thing, just like the new cars being unveiled in September.

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  • Michelle

    Thanks for that impartial opinion, Howard.  Yawn.

    oh ps,
    Speaking on the floor of the Senate Saturday, Marco Rubio (R-Fl.) said,
    “If we had a billion dollars for every time I heard the words ‘Tea Party
    extremist,’ we could solve this debt problem.”Nuff said.

  • Anonymous

    Or if we had a billion for every time we’d heard a GOP’er use Sharia Law fearmongering, we’d solve the debt problem AND give everyone healthcare. And so on.

  • Anonymous

    The sad thing is, in times of economic hardship, people are so undiscerning that many voters don’t even realize just how extreme the modern GOP has become.

  • Michelle

    Nice try, but as usual you are full of crap. 

  • Michelle

    Thanks for proving Rubio’s point. 

  • Anonymous

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/07/30/sen_rubio_save_the_whole_house_or_it_will_all_burn_down.html
    “In the two years before I even came here, this chamber neither proposed nor passed a budget. It is a startling figure that for the last two years this government has operated without a budget. So think about that. Two years have gone by without a budget. The first two years that the President was the president, no budgets.“Some people would say, well, that’s because of partisanship in Washington. Well, that’s not true. In the two years before I got here, both the House and Senate were controlled by members of the Democratic Party, which are the President’s party. In fact, in this chamber for at least one of those two years, 60 votes, 60 out of the 100 members here caucused with the Democrats. And as you recall, on Christmas Eve of the year 2009, they were able to pass a health care bill that was very controversial because they had the 60 votes in the President’s party. “Over two years, no budget. In fact you know how long it has been since this chamber proposed a budget? Forget passed a budget, proposed a budget? 822 days. That’s a long time. A lot of things have happened in the last 822 days, but proposing a budget is not one of them out of this chamber. 

  • Michelle

    NYT’s Thomas Friedman Proves Rubio’s Point: GOP ‘Being Led Around By Extremist Tea Party’
    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/07/31/nyts-thomas-friedman-proves-rubios-point-gop-being-led-around-extremi#ixzz1ThbrUTC7Media, Democrats, and the President Have Been in Lockstep with the Tea Party as Terrorists Message
    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rusty-weiss/2011/07/30/media-democrats-and-president-have-been-lockstep-tea-party-terrorists-m#ixzz1Thc3HBQx

    “In battle, when you accidentally shoot your own, it’s called friendly
    fire. When you deliberately shoot your own, it’s called fragging.
    Republicans, stop fragging the American economy and the American
    people,” said U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-Chicago and North Suburbs.

    NY Times’ Maureen Dowd: Tea Partiers Are “Political Suicide Bombers”…

    Seriously, can any of you talk without first getting your talking points from the Whitehouse and Uncle Soros?

  • Anonymous

    Look for this “SECESSIONIST” meme to be the journ0list’s talking point regarding Rick Perry and the Republican Party, until such time as the journ0lists can find something else to criticize Perry about.

    In case you miss it, the “SECESSIONIST” meme invokes “racism,” obviously. They can try to pretend that that’s not what they mean, but let’s face it, the David Plouffe/David Axelrod axis is feverishly trying to tag anyone who doesn’t love Obama with the “racist” label and “secessionist” evokes the Civil War- and we all KNOW where that’s going.

    Why don’t Fineman and Matthews just say, “We’re SURE Perry MUST be a racist, and we’re going to work our ass#s off to sell it to the public!”

  • Anonymous

    It is very interesting to listen to the lefty politicians, media and kool aid drinkers slowly lose their grip on power.

    It was done by less than 50 people newly elected to Congress.  They have changed the way Washington thinks.

    The lefty words in their effort to DESTROY the Tea Party (Which is not a party) fall on deaf ears.

    Viva La Tea Party

  • Anonymous

    An assessment of Republicans by Howard Fineman is worth the same as one by Fernando Zakaria or Christine Amanpour – Zero .

    Yesterday , while Pelosi was calling Boehner Darth Vader and Little Debbie was scaring seniors and Obama was Tweeting and Reid was calling Republicans hostage takers , Marco Rubio was giving a brilliant speech on the Senate floor .

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dronetek-Bulk-Vanderhuge/100000918732763 Dronetek Bulk Vanderhuge

    More hate mongering from the masters of demagoguery. 

  • Glenn Bovine

    The fruitcake gNOpigs left the planet already.

    They are following the Baboon Beck trip to Israel and await the second cumming.

  • Hugo Daun

    …can any of you talk without first getting your talking points from the Whitehouse and Uncle Soros?

    And the Tides Foundation! You forgot the Tides Foundation!

  • Chris Roberts

    And there it is. The liberally will attack Perry as a secessionist. An obvious and predictable plot line. At one point Perry made some innocuous public remarks about Texas succeeding. He was joking, but that won’t stop liberals from trying to tear him down with it. The real reason conservatives like Perry…he’s a true conservative.

  • Michelle

    Sorry, I couldn’t tell you what their talking point is.  I’ve never been to their webstie.

  • Michelle

    Sorry, I couldn’t tell you what their talking point is.  I’ve never been to their webstie.

  • Anonymous

    Was that not outstanding? Marco Rubio has  very, very bright future.

  • Anonymous

    Was that not outstanding? Marco Rubio has  very, very bright future.

  • Michelle

    Because they are scared of him.  They know The One is in big heap trouble.

  • Michelle

    Because they are scared of him.  They know The One is in big heap trouble.

  • Anonymous

    Are you going back to school in the fall? It’ll give us all something to look forward to if we know your school work will cut down on your posting time.

  • http://twitter.com/shivabeach Shiva

    I guess you are saying there is no tea party or gop that brings up sharia law.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know why teabaggers get mad at someone like Fineman when their own side are saying much worse things about them.
    Wall Street Journal, Krauthammer, O”Reilly, McCain, etc.

    Here’s what William Kristol has to say about how the Tea Party extremists will screw up their chances in the next election…

    The near self-immolation of Republicans in the House late last week confirmed that the best that can be expected over the next year on the Hill is … not much. We can hope that the self-destructive element of the GOP caucus doesn’t do much harm, and that John Boehner and Mitch McConnell can minimize the damage to the Republican image and cause.

        Before Boehner had to modify his debt ceiling legislation last Friday, he still had the support of almost 90 percent of the House GOP conference, and about 80 percent of the conservative Republican Study Committee members. So it would be misleading to call the rebellion against Boehner a broad-based movement on the right. Still, it happened, and it did its damage. Now large numbers of Republican primary voters, and even more independent general election voters, will be wary of supporting a Republican candidate in 2012 if the party looks as if it’s in the grip of an infantile form of conservatism. On the other hand, a conventional establishment candidate will have trouble uniting the conservative coalition.

    LOL….Here’s the money shot…

    “infantile form of conservatism.”

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know why teabaggers get mad at someone like Fineman when their own side are saying much worse things about them.
    Wall Street Journal, Krauthammer, O”Reilly, McCain, etc.

    Here’s what William Kristol has to say about how the Tea Party extremists will screw up their chances in the next election…

    The near self-immolation of Republicans in the House late last week confirmed that the best that can be expected over the next year on the Hill is … not much. We can hope that the self-destructive element of the GOP caucus doesn’t do much harm, and that John Boehner and Mitch McConnell can minimize the damage to the Republican image and cause.

        Before Boehner had to modify his debt ceiling legislation last Friday, he still had the support of almost 90 percent of the House GOP conference, and about 80 percent of the conservative Republican Study Committee members. So it would be misleading to call the rebellion against Boehner a broad-based movement on the right. Still, it happened, and it did its damage. Now large numbers of Republican primary voters, and even more independent general election voters, will be wary of supporting a Republican candidate in 2012 if the party looks as if it’s in the grip of an infantile form of conservatism. On the other hand, a conventional establishment candidate will have trouble uniting the conservative coalition.

    LOL….Here’s the money shot…

    “infantile form of conservatism.”

  • Hugo Daun

    B-b-but, they’re ALL CONNECTED!

  • Hugo Daun

    B-b-but, they’re ALL CONNECTED!

  • http://twitter.com/shivabeach Shiva

    Its not Bush’s fault, but we can blame everyone else.

  • http://twitter.com/shivabeach Shiva

    Its not Bush’s fault, but we can blame everyone else.

  • Anonymous

    You know, I suspect that the legacy media is going to avoid, like the plague, having Marco Rubio on since he so ably countered and exposed Bob Schiefer’s “talking points” the time he was on CBS. The media cannot stand either Marco Rubio or Allen West- articulate, non-Caucasion, conservative Republicans- thus they must not get air time on CBS, NBC or ABC (much less on MSNBC).

  • Anonymous

    They’ve come a long way since the Giffords shooting in toning down that rhetoric haven’t they? Heh..

  • Michelle

    Maybe once for every 1000 times they are called terrorists. Not even enough to count.

  • http://twitter.com/shivabeach Shiva

    Why did you just give a non response? Do you live in perpetual denial?

  • Michelle

    And you know the libs are scared to death of him.  I love it!

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, putting away the checkbook when you’re out of money is sooooo extreme. Do you people ever read what you write??  Someday soon the Unicorn is going stop shitting free money & skittles kids, what will you do then?

  • Anonymous

    And waaaay the hell off point again as usual…

  • Anonymous

    There is no need to compare Finemans ridiculous remarks with anyone elses, the post is about Fineman.

  • Anonymous

    Howard Fineman is 100% correct on this one. The Republicans just don’t seem to be *for* America anymore. They’re always rooting for it to fail and trying to sabotage it. They have and will continue to sell their souls to whomever or whatever they believe will give them money and power even if it’s completely against the interests of the nation.

  • Michelle

    HAHA, yeah right!  Hypos one and all.

  • Anonymous

    Hahaha…I notice you didn’t say the same thing to Michelle for bringing up remarks by Rubio and Friedman. 

    The truth hurts.

  • Anonymous

    God willing you’re going back to school in the fall as well, maybe you’ll learn how to prepare an argument properly. One can hope anyway.

  • Anonymous

    You can spin this any way you and Fineman like, but the bottom line is, we know the country is broke, you know the country is broke, we care, you don’t. End of story.

  • Michelle

    You just described Dems and Obama to a T.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3AXWJ4T2ZWD556H72VX5FKROGY jdaboss

    School? Michelle doenst believe in booklearnin. Shes a bagger afterall.

  • Anonymous

    Wall Street Journal: RINOs
    Krauthammer: RINO
    O”Reilly: RINO
    McCain: RINO
    Kristol: RINO

  • Michelle

    Well, I am on topic, because Fineman is an example of what Rubio is talking about. 

  • Anonymous

    Puting away the checkbook would mean an acknowledgement by the Tea Party that it’s their Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid benefits that make up the vast majority of checks written, not foreign aid and Pell grants. Yet poll after poll shows even Tea Partiers oppose cuts in those programs.

  • realheadline

    An opinion crafted right out of the Alinsky handbook. A detachment from reality won’t make it true, son. Why don’t you try clicking you’re heels together three times and saying; Republicans are sabotoging our country, Republicans are sabotoging our country, Repu……….

  • Anonymous

    ACORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111

  • Anonymous

    How about him signing off on executing innocent people?

  • Anonymous

    After 3 years of attacking Obama for where he was born, how he was raised and what his faith is the teabaggers now decide that using Perry’s own words against him is unfair.

    Once again Jon Stewart is proven right in his 11 minute montage, the hypocritical Right can dish it out but they squeal like punk-ass bitches when they have to take it.

  • Anonymous

    So is Kristol.

  • Anonymous

    You really don’t understand, do you? 

    Many of us, Conservatives and Independents, objected to Bush’s fiscal policies and were eager for this young man from Chicago who “seemed” to understand that the country was in jeopardy from reckless spending and divisiveness. Some of us woke up BEFORE the election when things about Obama’s policies and his personal narrative did NOT appear congruent and we became skeptical that he meant what he said during the campaign.

    We DO and DID blame Bush for profligate spending, but we HOPED against all hope that Obama would staunch the bleeding, not accelerate it beyond all ability of ourselves and our children to repay.

    Thank goodness that George W. Bush was the President when we were attacked on 9-11, and thank goodness he was surrounded by old hands like Cheney and Don Rumsfeld. Many of us questioned the wisdom of going into Iraq, but ALL of the intel pointed to Saddam Hussein having WMDs (and Saddam WANTED other nations to believe he had them). Perhaps, we should have attacked Pakistan? Perhaps, we should have gone after Iran? What would YOU have decided? I don’t know what I would have done. I do know that the problems we have had with Iran is the direct result of the presidency of another pathetic, poorly-prepared president, Jimmy Carter. 

    While he is careful not to publicly criticize Bush, Perry has been less than enthused about Bush’s lack of fiscal restraint and Perry’s background as a person is far more in line with the “ordinary” American citizen and not part of the “elites.”

  • Anonymous

    I find it humorous that Libs put so much faith in a guy(Fineman)  that helped turn one of the most successful magazines in America into a $1 dollar asset.

    Put your faith in him kids, that’s a hell of a track record.  

  • Moderate

    If someone had said no to outrageous spending in Greece years ago, they would not be having riots in the streets today.

  • Michelle

    Go clean your little box, Kitty Kat.  It’s starting to smell again. 

  • Anonymous

    Dear Howard:

    There is one saturday night alum in the Senate and he is a liberal idiot democrat compatriot of ours, one Al Farnken.  You can have him.  Please do not equate our conservatives with the saturday night live low lifes who decide to go into politics.

    TYVM

    Tina.

  • Anonymous

    but
    but
    but
    it only counts if Michelle likes what they have to say.

  • Anonymous

    What part of “We’re BROKE” don’t you understand?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NUT75XKRMJZ2QZJUUWOYH7Y7TA Cincy

    Oh noes…Howard Fineman is using hyperbole and absolute ridiculousness to make a partisan point?? Wow..who would have expected that from Chrissy Matthews No.1 guest.
     
    this is Phase II of the idiots in the media trying to marginalize the Tea Party. Their lies about racism and bigottry failed…misearably.

    So now we are terrorists and the Taliban.

    Thier desperation is very much amusing to me. Pass the popcorn

  • Anonymous

    Putting away your checkbook is one thing, bouncing the checks you have already written is another.

    All that does is add more penalties but thank God the adults didn’t allow the teabaggers to get away with it.

  • Anonymous

    Department of the Obvious that apparently paid political analysts are too biased to see:  If the Tea Party is so disconnected  from “the rest of America” (the voters), why does the Tea Party have any influence on the politicians?
    Clearly they are NOT disconnected, and the politicians know it and are acting accordingly.  Duh…

  • Anonymous

    Nice to see that an old left wing troll like Howard Fineman hasn’t lost an ounce of stupidity over the years. In fact it is Democratic Party left wing extremists like the Messiah, Pelosi, Frank and Schumer who are doing their level best to destroy America with their insane deficit spending.

  • realheadline

    See here Big F’n Douchebag, the Republican party has more to fear from the tea party than the Democrats. They are being used as a platform (footstool) by the Tea Party. So what? In 2012 few will be elected without Tea Party support whether you and Fineman like it or not. Dems out 2012

  • Anonymous

    Only two possible answers:

    1. They (progressives) know we’re broke and simply don’t care, they want the country to collapse.

    2. They are simply too stupid to know how to balance a checkbook.

    Take your pick, either way it doesn’t say much for the progressive movement’s “plans” to “win the future” now does it?

  • Anonymous

    The *actions* of the Republicans are showing the Republicans for what they are now. 1) Lustful for money. 2) Lustful for power. Screw the good of the country, especially since a Democrat is in the White House.

  • Anonymous

    Oh please…

  • Anonymous

    The host of the show has the lowest ratings on cable news, the guest ran a successful magazine right down the proverbial shitter, this is what progressives are hanging their hat on. Hilarious!

  • Glenn Bovine

    Yes.

    I am going back to school in the fall to indoctrinate more young impressionable minds into the evil ways of LBRULS.

    And you are going to do, what? jack?

  • Anonymous

    Instead of playing Mediaite’s Posting Policeman shouldn’t you be out protesting Manatees or something?

    It’s a beautiful day.
    Go outside.
    Destroy some wildlife.

     

  • Michelle

    “The mixture of arrogance and audacity that guides the Obama
    administration is an affront to every freedom-loving American and a
    threat to every job in the private sector,” Rick Perry

  • John

    Howard Fineman really? Nice try but the majority of Americans are politically conservative, you moron. You libs call getting our federal debt under control extreme what the hell do you guys want certainly when you are borrowing more each time you spend, that should give you some clue. Hey maybe we should stop the spending. Now that’s an idea, Duh.

  • Anonymous

    No, you Republicans are just not on America’s side anymore. She didn’t leave you, you left her. As a matter of fact, you practically threw her out on the side of the road. What happens to this nation is of secondary concern *after* your party’s political agenda and campaign supporters’ payoffs.

  • Anonymous

    Well that’s an interesting point about Greece, but we’re talking about how the Republicans are rooting against and sabotaging America and its people.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, the slow motion secession has been going on for a century, and it’s being done by progressives. I invite them to just get out, once and for all.

  • Anonymous

    Indeed.  A party of ignorant & lost souls who support an ideology that vows to erase social safety-nets, demonize collective bargaining rights, cripple public education, defund services that protect the most vulnerable of our community.  Claims of doing the “hard things” to balance our budget exclude those who have wealth & influence- leaving that burden on the masses.  The pathetic lie that tax breaks for the wealthy create jobs, has long been proven just that – a lie.  These are deeply disturbed & dangerous people.  We need badly to eradicate them from our midst.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry Howard,  the People voted out over 400 years of Democratic experience last November and something like 600 State seats.  You have it backwards.

  • Anonymous

    Words from “The Little People.”

  • Anonymous

    “the hypocritical Right can dish it out but they squeal like punk-ass bitches when they have to take it.”
    That pretty much sums it up!

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    The “adults” who do absolutely nothing except sit back and wait for the Republicans to draft budgets and deficit-reduction plans, then whine about them like little b*tches?  

    No one, EXCEPT your Messiah and his a$$hole buddies, Reid, Pelosi, Durbin, et.al., were talking about bouncing checks.  And then, it was only to scaremonger and demagogue (as usual).  

  • Anonymous

    Ohh, Praise Jeesussah!  BushDrunk was President!  How lucky we were.  A RERAL man in charge.  And from a well-known family of professional drunks.  Ohh, “thank goodness”!

  • Anonymous

    I don’t remember the “mainstream” media talking about the Democrat Party seceding from”the rest of the country”, or calling them terrorists, when they were consistently voting against raising the debt ceiling when Bush was President.

    As a matter of fact, how many “mainstream” media outlets have been playing footage of Obama, in his usual arrogant, condescending, lecturing tone decrying raising the debt limit?

    Here’s what he said in 2006:

    “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills,” Obama said.
    “Instead of reducing the deficit, as some people claimed, the fiscal policies of this administration and its allies in Congress will add more than $600 million in debt for each of the next five years,” he said, adding,”Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”

    Why isn’t the “mainstream” media playing that clip in steady rotation? We know they would play gotcha with a Republican in a similar situation.

  • Anonymous

    This story is about Howard Fineman’s correct assessment of the Republicans. The Republicans actively sell out America. They want it to fail. They have no concern for the well-being of the nation’s people anymore. They want to set up their *own* freakish country. It’s betrayal of America and its people plain and simple on the part of the Republicans. Devastated economy and Second Great Depression? So what? As long as the Republicans can find a way to get more money and more power that’s all they care about.

  • Anonymous

    On the contrary. The government has seceded from America, and the Tea Party is trying to take it back. Think about the Tea Party Freshmen. They got involved because of “Cornhusker Kickbacks” and other corrupt practices. Many worked in the private sector. They get to Washington, and all of a sudden the normal becomes extreme. Unbelievable.

  • Anonymous

    “He’s perfect for the tenor of the Republican party today, which I think
    in the debt fight is showing that they’re in the midst of a kind of
    slow-motion secession politically from the rest of America” , from the rest of the highly developed world and of course from any form of rationality.

  • realheadline

    Thinkers aren’t motivated by lies or bogus emotional appeals. Funny though, enjoyed! Thanks prrr….

  • Anonymous

    Fineman is just acting pissy because he left failed, biased Newsweek magazine to work for a ridiculously biased website which will be defunct within two years and he knows he’ll be scrambling to find another job when it’s over.

  • Anonymous

    You’re still a bore.

  • Anonymous

    This whole ‘debt crisis’ bulls#it that the TeaBaggers are crying about is a good thing! It has woke up ‘regular’ America as to what a bunch of ‘suicide bombers’ the TeaBagger Party really is: A bunch of mindless zombies that take their orders from a fake news channel owned by an Australian and a Saudi prince!

    This next election is going to be GREAT!!!! The TeaBaggers and the Right are going to get their pay back for f&@king with America!

  • Anonymous

    “And then, it was only to scaremonger and demagogue (as usual). ”

    No, demagogue is what Perry was doing when he was trying to sell succession to his extremist base.
    But that must never be mentioned because it is *whimper whimper* unfair.

  • Anonymous

    Of course there certainly weren’t any deficit spending from January 20, 2001 to January 19, 2009. Right?
    You hypocritical fool.

  • Anonymous

    Better a RECOVERING alcoholic than a practicing addict. You must know only active, practicing alcoholics and addicts. Usually, those who have “problems” with people in recovery are, themselves, scared to death that THEIR addictions will be found out.

    The mote is in your own eye.

  • Exgoper

    Fineman is dead right. This is exactly why I finally had to kiss the GOP goodbye. When I joined many years ago it was a party that talked about fiscal responsibility, shared sacrifice and paying our bills. Today it’s a club for self-deluded yahoos who think that tax cuts have magic powers, the richest Americans should be immune from sacrifice and we should not pay for what we’ve bought. The Democrats have their own problems but at least they make an attempt to live in the real world and act responsibly.

    I just couldn’t be a part of a group anymore that requires you to believe the impossible and to vote for the unthinkable.

  • WardMD

    I AGREE with you 100% on MY (Conservative) view of George W. Bush.

    I DISAGREE with you 100% on my view of Obama!

    I did NOT believe (or hope) that he would “staunch the bleeding”.  I KNEW he would be the ultra-Left Wing, incompentent (Jimmy Carter, SR.), who would be the 2×4 up-side-the-head of the American People.

    After the disappointing terms of George W. Bush (albeit FAR better than AlGore or John F’ing Kerry would have been), there was NO WAY IN HELL I was going to give Juan McCain a chance to be the “Great” Compromizer-In-Chief – reaching across to the “Other Side”, and push through his “You can call it a banana, if you want to” (amnesty) wet-dream!

    I DELIBERATELY did NOT vote FOR the Republican Ticket, because I saw NOTHING in him that would lead me to believe that HE would advance the Conservative Principles that LAST NOVEMBER’s election demonstrated that WE, THE PEOPLE (and the country) are so DESPERATELY in need.

    Obama’s utter FAILURE as a President (especially on the Economic front) has solidified, in the minds of MANY (MOST, based on his less than stellar “approval” numbers), that IT’S TIME FOR A CHANGE (and WE, unlike Obama, are NOT talking about the coins left in your pocket AFTER he and the Democrats are finished taxing us to death)!

    Electing Obama did EXACTLY what WE (Conservatives) NEEDED:  It demonstrated EXACTLY what happens when Liberals are free to be themselves (14,300 BILLION dollars in debt [and GROWING]).

    Granted, the current “Leadership” in the Republican Party (McCain included) is NOT showing any REAL LEADERSHIP on that front, but the “Tea Party” Republicans elected last November ARE!  Without THEM standing FIRM on Fiscal Responsibility (and ENDING this UNSUSTAINABLE addiction to spending [nay, OVER-SPENDING]), does ANYONE believe that Congress would have done ANYTHING but simply “Business as Usual” (and pass an increase to the Debt Ceiling, WITHOUT any consideration for CUTS of ANY KIND)?

    While MANY (most?) believe that an Increase in the Debt Ceiling is “necessary”, NONE (zero, zip, nada) of the “Plans” being discussed are actually CUTTING spending!  They are ALL promising (over the next 10 years) to REDUCE the amount of OVER-SPENDING the Government currently does!

    This “Baseline-Budgetting” INCREASES the Budget by, what?, 8% YEAR after YEAR (which explains WHY the Pelosi/Reid Congress were SO EAGER to SHOVE those spending bills through Congress when they had majorities in BOTH houses [and a willing accomplice in the White House]) – NOW, future budgets are based on THAT spending level (PLUS an 8% increase).

    Were it NOT for the “Tea Party” Republicans, Congress would simply say, “Okay, we need to borrow MORE to pay for our wreckless spending addiction, and YOU the American Taxpayers need to ‘sacrifice’ so WE can continue to over-spend YOUR money on OUR pet projects (and entitlements that will get us re-elected by you who are now DEPENDANT on those entitlements [and, for the most part, pay NO taxes, so YOU don't care that we over-spend (suckers!)])!”

    I’d rather the Democrats complete their “Master Plan”, and shove the United States over the Economic Cliff (to total bankruptcy), than vote for another RINO!

    Make NO MISTAKE…  WHEN the country DOES “Default”, it will be becuase of those who have OVER-SPENT us to that point – NOT because of the “Tea Party” Republicans who are trying to be the ADULTS in the room (and make the President and HIS Party “eat their peas”)!

  • Michelle

    Um, because they are liberal hacks.  Ain’t that right, Matty?

  • Anonymous

    How dare they be upset with runaway spending with money we don’t have!  What are they thinking?

  • Anonymous

    President Ronald Reagan wouldn’t stand a chance “today” of EVERY receiving Republican nomination of his party. Period.

  • Marymary57

    and Howard Fineman is gay.

  • Michelle

    Neither would John F Kennedy.

  • Anonymous

    WardMD, I was naive and “hopeful” when I first heard Obama in 2004 at the Democrat National Convention. And, yes, I was still naive when I thought that perhaps, just perhaps, he really was a candidate who could lay to rest the black versus white meme. I was wrong, as I quickly found out.

    I voted for McCain because there was no other choice and because of Palin’s conservatism. 

    It took Carter to create the climate for Reagan to be elected. My worry is that Obama has so destroyed the economy and the country that it will take more than eight years for a Conservative candidate to begin to undo the damage. There is nothing more dangerous to a stable world than an American president like Obama.

  • Anonymous

    Intellectually dishonest.

  • Anonymous

    You’re a concern troll, and not a very good one at that. The Republican party has never been about “shared sacrifice”, as the the party has always been about upward mobility for those who have the motivation to try. Thus the old Republican repeat of the catch phrase, “give a man a fish, and he’ll feed his family for a day. teach a man to fish ..”

    “Shared sacrifice” is pessimistic, a downer, assumes to pull people down rather than lift people up, and is something only a progressive could love.

  • Anonymous

    So he wouldn’t have recognized the work of his late brother Sen. Edward Kennedy? He would’ve disapproved of all his good works? Boy, you’re sure taking great liberties.

  • Anonymous

    BTW, I thought the demise of the TEA party was predicted about a year and a half ago. What happened?

  • Anonymous

    Yet they’ll fight to the death to insure the wealthiest Americans and corporations don’t make a single sacrifice like the rest of America.   How anti-American and unpatriotic.

  • Anonymous

    are you really  stupid, or just acting

  • Anonymous

    Americans and the world blame this whole fiasco on the GOP/TP.  Keep shilling for corporations but make no mistake that the whole world is watching and they know who’s at fault.

  • Anonymous

    God forbid!

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    You really don’t ever watch real news or read a newspaper, do you? Never. All you ever do is repeat what some man told you, Lard Limbaugh, Beckerhead, some Church Elder. You have absolutely nothing to offer.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    I would simply suggest Shiva learn from you, Big Petty, Paulie and last but not least, Michelle-in-Utah offer by way of argumentation models and simply do the opposite. He will become quite skilled in a matter of says.

  • Anonymous

    One of the dumbest things Cons keep saying is that they posses some sort of financial expertise by default.  They come up with this childish analogies that a country functions like your average household or your average business. It doesn´t. Has never been the case. Will never be the case. How dumb do you have to be to believe that?

    Cons have great skills though when it comes to squeeze ruthlessly the last dime out of the middle class and maximize the profits for their big business interests. They pretty much operate like a financial mob, always looking for the next scheme. Wisconsin anyone? One of many textbook examples for a heist by Cons. Alas, the Democrats are only slightly better. They are also way too much involved with Wall Street to take a more decisive stand against the Cons, but at least they aren´t as flat out criminal as the Cons . 

    American Politics isn´t about doing the best for the American people it´s first and foremost about making money for yourself and your friends. Only after more politicians like Bernie Sanders are elected things will change.    

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    You and Rubio might not like to hear it, but these angry, ignorant bomb throwers are, in fact, ruining America. This is probably the first time in our history we’ve let a tiny group of ignorant extremists have such a prominent place in our national dialogue. To be sure, their days are numbered. The ones not put in jail for not paying child support will likely diminish with each election. We just have to find a way to survive their wanton destruction of out Republic.

  • Anonymous

    Oxy?!?!?!?

    Are you drooling when you type this stuff? Are you suffering from some kind of brain injury?

    You used to brag about how you were a Democrat for 40+ years and how you even campaigned for Kerry and now this is what you come up with?

    Your post are very entertaining when taken in ‘your’ context!!!

    Keep ‘em coming Born Again TeaBagger!!!

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    True, but they are learning. Little Eric Can’tor, for example, has likely destroyed any chance for state-wide election, much less national. He’s relegated himself to old age representing a largely white district of political reactionaries by his narrow policy positions shaped by shameless, relentless pandering and his petulance.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    In other words, you are saying Publius told the truth.

  • HowardNY

    And you’re an ass. But what does that prove?

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    You mean like the Japanese did, leading to a 10 year recession?

    You mean like the British are doing, resulting in a compltely stagnant economy without any bright spots?

    You a real economic genius aren’t you?

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Repeating much of what Tollbooth says is considered gauche and unfair.

  • BooBoo Bear

    I find it funny that the GOP/Tea Partiers are so against Sharia law yet if they actually knew anything about it…and the legislation that many GOP legislators have actually passed they’d find that they match almost 100%. Although most country’s do allow for abortion in the case of Rape & Incest.

    Practically the only thing that I can see that they hate about Sharia law would be the fact that they are for the use of non-torturous means of killing of animals. Cutting the necks of the animals instead of using of electrocution.

  • insideguy

     I must say I don’t go to a lot of blogs but I have a hard time believing that any could be as entertaining or addicting as this one lol.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    L’idi*t. Why would anyone be scared of Rubio. I’m please he’s part of the dialogue if for no other reason than he has created a niche for himself somewhat apart from the Tea Party (indeed, if he hadn’t he would have lost just like Randi the Witch and Obtuse angle), and, unlike so many of the Republicans in Congress, he is able to conjugate regular verbs in English in the present tense.

  • Anonymous

    driving a girl over a bridge and leaving her to die……..no i dont think JFK would approve

  • Anonymous

    Get serious.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    So what? Is it said? Yes. Is it true? Yes. You have a problem with people telling the truth? That’s rheotrical by the way.

  • Anonymous

    Mary, Mary still saying nothing but unladylike homophobic remarks.

  • Anonymous

    It’s “secession,” and there is an edit button.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Indeed. And for somone who spends so much of her life watching (or, I should say, having watched) and listening to O’Beckerhead, Michelle-in-Utah can hardly claim ignorance of the Tides Foundation.

  • Anonymous

    This makes no sense since Kennedy wasn’t a Republican.  If you mean he wouldn’t be elected by Democrats today, Obama is to the right of Kennedy. Heck, Obama is to the right of Nixon.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Oh, yes. Big time. It’s a principle of her faith.

  • Exgoper

    The Republicans I grew up with all understood that if you had a lot, a lot was expected from you. You’re describing the new Republican manifesto of each-man-for-his-own Darwinism. Which is kind of ironic given how much the GOP’s leaders talk about their Christian faith, but then don’t practice any of the supposed teachings of Christ, who would have scorned their selfishness and contempt for working people.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    It is what Tollbooth best enjoys about being governor.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Of note, no one had to scare our troops and their families, did they? The Tea Party faction of the Republican Party did that quite well enough.

  • Anonymous

    Do you having an argument to prove my statements wrong?  Or just empty personal attacks?

  • Anonymous

    The high-speed secession of Fineman’s senses from his head began sometime shortly after he was born.  

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Given our history, there is no such think as an inocuous seccession remark.

    But, it won’t be necessary. In case you haven’t noticed, the Republicans are on an all-out effort to marginalize Tollbooth, and they have plenty of ammunition on their own. Tollbooth entering the race pretty much assures a Romney nomination.

  • Anonymous

    argument? you have no argument, just attacks……prove someone is unpatriotic lol

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    I wish there were a “Liked Very Much” button.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    So, you’re saying BFD is right, then.

  • realheadline

    Just like a little progressive ball of furr. Blame someone else, works every time!………..Not 

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    … and a half.

    She needs to find some different men to tell her what to say. The material is getting thin.

  • realheadline

    Class warfare is very anti-American. Don’t you agree?

  • Anonymous

    lol, please explain

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Instead of in their Parliament.

    Look out! There’s a tall fair-skinned man with blond hair and blue eyes standing behnd you! He’s bound to be a radical Islamo Facist Terrorist.

  • Anonymous

    homophobic? where in her statement?

  • realheadline

    Ain’t it great!

  • Anonymous

    Class warfare is not a demonstration of financial expertise, genius.

  • Exgoper

    You’re exactly right. Reagan was at least pragmatic enough to raise taxes when the debt was exploding. Nowadays not a single Republican would have the cajones to do what’s necessary. It’s much easier for them to blame the Democrats and let the economy go over a cliff on “principle.”

  • Anonymous

    From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs, right? Apparently, the Republicans you grew up with were Marxists. Which, I’ve gotta tell ya, is pretty weird.

  • Anonymous

    If Reagan were running again in 2012, he’d win in a landslide. After all, he’d be running against Jimmy Carter again.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    A man in Utah has three (3) wives. One is of sweet disposition and industrious. One is well-read and has an artistic temperament, playing the piano and singing wonderfully. One is an old shrew who keeps a filthy house, gossips all of the time, opens up a box of Macaroni and Cheese and dinner,munches on Slim Jims all day and bleats, kvetches, moans and whines continuously. Which wife consumes most of his time?

  • Anonymous

    Wrong he couldn’t win the primary, and your talking about landslide? Please.

  • Anonymous

    Are you high? Kennedy would be in the Tea Party today.

    http://tinyurl.com/3bf6vq

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    See I told you all. I’m as accurate and prophetic as you claim Rubio to be. All Michelles-in-Utah ever does is repeat what some man told her.

  • Anonymous

    No, the waitress sandwiches. I’m sure JFK would have giggled. And then told Teddy to cut the crap.

     

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    What man told you that?

  • Anonymous

    Well hello again, concern-troll-who-pretends-he-was-once-a-Republican. It’s no secret that Republicans have always, and continue to be more charitable than those on the left. Studies have shown this to be the case. There is a difference, of course, between charity and confiscation of wealth. Nice try, though. Next?

  • Exgoper

    Apparently the Republicans you hang out with are self-absorbed, materialistic A-holes.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    I have to admit you’re right. Kennedy would have no chance of getting the Republican nomination. You must have thought this one up yourself.

  • Anonymous

    Used to be the Tea Party was just racists. Now they’re an existential threat to America and a bunch of terrorists. That sounds like progress to me.

  • Anonymous

    You have no concern for the fundamental cornerstone of America: Liberty.

    Your inability to care for yourself is not sufficient cause to negate the liberty of others.

  • smitty68

    “Many of us, Conservatives and Independents, objected to Bush’s fiscal policies”

    “We DO and DID blame Bush for profligate spending”

    well TF…..sorry but as usual the rhetoric from so called ‘conservatives’ that OF COURSE they objected to Bush’s deep deficits and his more then DOUBLING THE NATIONAL DEBT rings very false.

    So me some evidence, not a lot, but just SOME evidence that any of the so-called tea partiers or so-called conservatives actually made any REAL effort to object or mobilize the public to put any real pressure on the Bush administration or congress to bring down the deficits and not DOUBLE THE NATIONAL DEBT.

    there isn’t any – most of the push back that created the tea party and drives the conversation against Obama’s policies is fed by big companies and the super rich who dont want to pay any taxes….many large corporations already dont pay any….they arent all that concerned about deficits and debt, they just want obama out because they are afraid that he will make some progress to properly regulate the financial services industry and reform the tax code so that even hedge fund managers and large corporations pay pay taxes at a reasonable rate.

    without a record of ACTUALLY and PUBLICLY opposing Bush’s wild 8 year spending spree and evidence of any kind of outcry from ‘conservatives’ and an effort to elect legislators that would obstruct as hard as the freshman repubs are against this administration, it’s difficlut to have any respect for any of these people NOW.

    Where were all these people when Bush got congress to raise the debt cieling 7 times in a clean vote not shackled to contentious legislation regarding spending and taxes??? WHERE WERE THEY ALL THAT TIME?? where was all the outrage about how the debt was ruining the future for all of our children and grandchildren???

    ANSWER PLEASE.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    Go listen to a few Reagan Speeches, easy to find on Youtube..  If he were with us and entered the race I think that Obama would just go to work his concession speech as it would be inevitable..  You guys again always trying to rewrite history…  Reagans words are easy to find, and president Obama is nothing like Reagan no matter the affinity Obama displays for Reagan’s accomplishment. 

  • realheadline

    She forgot to mention the Koch brothers too………. Disappointing.  :(

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    LOL!   I have often thought that if JFK were to run today that he would have to run as a Republican. 

  • Anonymous

    I would luv for all the white racists go to Texas and seceede from the US.  US can stop all of the corporate welfare to the state and pull out the army bases.  Then Mexico can declare war on Texas. I don’t think God made them any dumber that a bagger. 

  • Anonymous

    Don’t take my word for it, here’s what Mike Huckabee recently said:

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_05/huckabee_reagan_couldnt_have_w029428.php

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    What in the world would cause you to think that Kennedy could be considered to be left of Obama, is there anything that you can point to that would help us understand your post?

  • VARIT00L

    Bingo…. and it’s a FACT

  • Anonymous

    I would like to hear the response of how the tea party people would handle a Katrina without the assistance of the American taxpayer credit card?  Oh yes – I suppose Eric Cantor answered that when the tornado destroyed Joplin, Missouri  “Today President Obama pledged to provide “every ounce” of federal resources to helping the victims in Joplin.  Thus far FEMA has been on the scene to help with rescue operations.  However, in the long-term the President would likely need congressional approval in order to provide a package of financial aid.  Any aid package would have to pass through the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, where Cantor serves in a powerful leadership position.  As the Washington Times reports, Cantor said any aid would need to be offset by other spending cuts, “If there is support for a supplemental, it would be accompanied by support for having pay-fors to that supplemental.”  The term “pay-fors” means either spending cuts or tax increases, and the Republicans have firmly stated that they would not pass any tax increases this year.  The Washington Times also points out that six years then-House Majority Leader Tom Delay approved Hurricane Katrina aid without offsetting spending cuts.  At the time Delay said it was acceptable to just add the Katrina aid on to the deficit.

  • VARIT00L

    Who the hell made this jerk King

  • Anonymous

    That’s hilarious! Texas is pretty much carrying the USA right now.

  • Anonymous

    Where would you like the black racists to go?

  • Anonymous

    That’s the Republican spirit! ME, ME, ME!

  • Anonymous

    I live in the bluest state in the country. I’m surrounded by people demanding their free shit. That’s pretty self-absorbed and materialistic if you ask me.

  • Anonymous

    Fineman, along with all the other left wing know nothings will be getting a near lethal ose of reality the day after next years presidential election.

    I for one just cannot wait till that day arrives, especially the part where Michelle Obama sings.

  • Anonymous

    lol  you can’t make this stuff up folks.

  • VARIT00L

    ” teabaggers” Jerks like this guy and Mahar think they have free room to insult in Vile ways because they are comedians.

  • Anonymous

    Boehner (and America) WINS – Lunatic-left d-cRAT socialists LOSE !!!!!
    Get use to it, socialist extremists – you’ll get plenty more like that in Nov 2012.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    JFK did not suffer from his younger brother’s shame of self and entitlement having come from such wealth that was made during the prohibition…  JFK knew his own worth, Teddy never seemed to ever be able to crawl out of the bottle..  Two very different men.

  • Anonymous

    And as soon as a disaster hits they start crying for the federal government to come take care of them.  Every last one of them.

  • VARIT00L

    Jerk’s like this should move to the HOOD…….

  • Anonymous

    It’s best I let you puzzle that on your own.  Go within and ask whatever higher power you may have to reveal the answer to you.

  • Anonymous

    Bwaaaaa u believe that?  LOL u are not that intelligent.  The US government is keeping that peice of bs state afloat. Seceede and lets see how long u can keep the Mexican government from that land.  LOL

  • Anonymous

    It’s just the Ayn Rand do as I say not as I do mindset.

  • Anonymous

    He made himself king. He sits on his toilet, er, throne everyday and polishes his crown. If you know what I mean.

  • Anonymous

    Reagan raised the debt ceiling 18 times and raised taxes 11.  How’s that for history?

  • Anonymous

    No, but he does distort a lot.

  • VARIT00L

    Don’t forget to clean the blackboards and take out the trash, before you go home, and thank’s for the apple…..

  • VARIT00L

    Don’t forget to clean the blackboards and take out the trash, before you go home, and thank’s for the apple…..

  • VARIT00L

    Don’t forget to clean the blackboards and take out the trash, before you go home, and thank’s for the apple…..

  • Anonymous

    There’s a bit more to Kennedy’s policies than slogans.  Obama is closest to being center right.

  • Anonymous

    Well said. If the press had not been so enthralled by Obama and his teleprompter rhetoric and actually looked into his background the way they do with Republicans, maybe we wouldn’t have this Marxist sitting in the White House.

  • Anonymous

    congress raised it 18 times, reagan signed it……..congress raised taxes 11 times, reagan signed it

  • Anonymous

    thanks….no where in her statement……

  • Anonymous

    “Texas taxpayers receive less federal funding per dollar of federal taxes
    paid compared to the average state. Per dollar of Federal tax collected
    in 2005, Texas citizens received approximately $0.94 in the way of
    federal spending. This ranks the state 35th nationally.”

    Ranked 35th hardly makes them carrying the USA.

  • Jerry Baustian

    Fineman always acts as if he has just discovered something brand new — which is a good thing if you’ve been invited on a news program. It’s probably why he keeps getting invited back.

    At least he is not Joe Klein.

  • Jerry Baustian

    Fineman always acts as if he has just discovered something brand new — which is a good thing if you’ve been invited on a news program. It’s probably why he keeps getting invited back.

    At least he is not Joe Klein.

  • Jerry Baustian

    Fineman always acts as if he has just discovered something brand new — which is a good thing if you’ve been invited on a news program. It’s probably why he keeps getting invited back.

    At least he is not Joe Klein.

  • Jerry Baustian

    Fineman always acts as if he has just discovered something brand new — which is a good thing if you’ve been invited on a news program. It’s probably why he keeps getting invited back.

    At least he is not Joe Klein.

  • Jerry Baustian

    Fineman always acts as if he has just discovered something brand new — which is a good thing if you’ve been invited on a news program. It’s probably why he keeps getting invited back.

    At least he is not Joe Klein.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    Please point me to Kennedy’s left leaning policies.  As I recall he was very much about cleaning things up and willing to go as far as abolishing the FED..  he promised to tell the country many of the dirty little secrets of Washington..  but was silenced by an assasins bullet before that day ever came… Show me his left leaning polices as I am completely unware of them…  History is not written by progress dreams of what it should have been.  

  • VARIT00L

    LOL …. Dam it …. you mean to say that terrorist from Norway is not a Christian leading a Christian Church in Bombing and murdering Children… Dam that Bill O’Reilly for closing down the big LIE from the NYT, and the rest of the MSM having orgasmic news columns taken from them…. sure screwed up that gig too…

  • Anonymous

    I dare say Senator Kennedy had a far greater impact “legislatively” than his brother President Kennedy — and he’ll go down with the greatest legislative accomplishments in the history of this country. You may not liked his politics, but, you cannot deny all the legislation with his name on it as either the sponsor or the co-sponsor.

  • Anonymous

    You bet, man, that’s why my company is on the west coast, yet about 90% of our business is coming from Texas right now. That is not an uncommon story these days. But hey, have fun at your bitchy hate whitey rally. :)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    Your point being?  Every president has raised the debt ceiling since it’s inception except for Truman.. As far as the raising the taxes you want to point out we can also argue about broken democratic promises..  but that is not the point of your post…  Reagan wanted to shrink the government but was unsuccessful because of the congress he had to work with, and he did work with that congress instead of crying to the nation, he continued to do what was within his power to rebuild the country after the presidency of Jimmy Carter, who inspired a vision in the citizendry not so much unlike the vision that Obama inspires in our country today. 

  • VARIT00L

    the fact is BAM BAM did that … by saying he couldn’t guarantee the check’s going out …another LIE by BAM BAM … the child from the HOOD … sad to see this guy melting in front of our eyes, BUT the sooner the better

  • VARIT00L

    your bra is much too tight…

  • Anonymous

    Wow, so you’re determining a states economic viability based on how much federal funding they receive. Yeah, you’re right… You really can’t make this stuff up.

  • realheadline

    This has been a recording ………. please hang up and try again.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    thebiggestbrax 5 minutes ago in reply to Fedup in Florida

    “I dare say Senator Kennedy had a far greater impact “legislatively” than his brother President Kennedy — and he’ll go down with the greatest legislative accomplishments in the history of this country. You may not liked his politics, but, you cannot deny all the legislation with his name on it as either the sponsor or the co-sponsor. ”

    That is very well said an I agree.  I did not care so much for his politics and had little respect for the man after chappaquiddick incident..  He left that young woman in his car for 8 hours while he sobber-up and perfected his story…  instead of calling 911 he called his closest advisors..  I am sorry, for me that speaks to the character of the man..  he was greatly flawed, full of self shame for not only himself but also his family fortune..  My opinion is that this more so than his principles defined him as a Senator and a legislator..

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. That´s why the idea of a balanced budget amendment is tremendously stupid and has the potential to cause serious damage.

  • Anonymous

    Why do you even care? You belong to the TeaPartyNation and the TeaPartyNation is apparently a social construct operating outside the American Nation.  I suggest the Koch brothers buy a nice, big piece of land  in a remote area and invite all members of the TeaPartyNation to join TeaPartistan. There the TeaPartyNation can live undisturbed from the achievements of modern societies. Just like in biblical times. 

  • realheadline

    Dreamer Kitty,  listen to JFK’s Berlin speech and then watch the 2010 Washington DC video of progressives marching with communists.  
    2+2 still equals 4.  ………….JFK would puke up a red furball.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    Go back and try to understand the report…  states receive on the average $1.28 back for every dollar they collect for the Federal government.  The fact that Texas only receives $0.94 speaks to their self-sufficency.  Ranking 35th in this survey is better than ranking 1st.  though not as good as ranking 50th.

  • Anonymous

    I totally understand the report and thanks for making my case for me.  Having 15 states giving a greater percentage to the federal government than Texas hardly makes them carrying the USA.  I happen to live in one of those 15 states that pays more than Texas.  And Texas is probably the only southern state that is not sucking off the government tit.

  • Anonymous

    Then perhaps you have statistics to prove your claim that “Texas is pretty much carrying the USA right now”  Please, do tell?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    How about this… 

    We will let you borrow all the money you want, just tell us how you are going to pay it back.. what steps are you taking to stablize you balance sheets?

    This is a current conversation but it is not going on between conservatives and progressives, if you study the issue a little bit you will see that it is the conversation that is taking place between the treasury and the credit markets.

    http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/why-the-debt-crisis-is-even-worse-than-you-think-07272011.html

  • Anonymous

    Ah, the race card.  Not surprising given your user name.

  • Anonymous

    Did you go within and ask for help?

  • Anonymous

    I think there may be some federal army bases in Texas.  This contributes to the economy.  There are many federally subsidized programs that Texas receives money. Please seceede, I want to see the face on all those seniors citizens with their snake flags in their hands and no SS or medicaid checks. 
    LMAO

  • Anonymous

    why? you are the one seeing things that aren’t there

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    Good….  then we can talk about something else, how about where has more than half the job creation in the country has occurred during the last 12 months…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    At least they would get border security out of the deal….

  • Anonymous

    its only homophobic when said about a progressive huh kitty…….you liked the comment on the grover norquist thread……..what a fake you are

  • Jerry Baustian

    You are correct — but Kennedy’s inaugural address is even more inspiring, just not for Democrats. Today’s progressive Democrats are all about what their country can do for them. Also, today’s progressive Democrats would call JFK a neocon and a warmonger, and blast his supply-side tax-cut policies.

  • Anonymous

    Job creation in Texas far outpaces the rest of the country. But if you like, we can always just go with your stat, that they give to the rest of the country more than they’re taking in. Yup, you can’t make this stuff up. I won’t provided a link, because it’s very easy to look up. Simply google or bing “texas job creation” and there are many stories, choose your source.

    Of course, you can also just rant against those awful non-union hicks that are ruining the country… while your neighbors are looking for jobs. :)

  • Anonymous

    Poor Howie; 66% of Americans were for Cut, Cap and Balance.

    Sounds like YOU are the anti-American here.

    CNN Poll: Two-Thirds Support “Cut, Cap, Balance”
    by Stephan Tawney on July 21, 2011
    A new poll from CNN shows that two-thirds of Americans support the legislation passed by House Republicans “Cut, Cap, and Balance”. In fact, a majority of Democrats support the plan.But a CNN poll released Thursday shows that two-thirds of Americans support the system established by the CCB Act. Sixty-six percent of respondents said they approved of a plan under which “Congress would raise the debt ceiling only if a balanced budget amendment were passed by both houses of Congress and substantial spending cuts and caps on future spending were approved.” Sixty-three percent of Democrats and 65 percent of independents said they would approve of such a plan.

  • Anonymous

    I must’ve missed your condemnation of “trose1″, who opened this thread with the race card.

  • insideguy

    correct the largest military base in the world is there FT HOOD

  • Milanamandich

    You are forgetting that Dems had control of both Houses from 1/07 til 1/11

  • Milanamandich

    You are forgetting that Dems had control of both Houses from 1/07 til 1/11

  • Anonymous

    You need to separate Tea Party from the GOP. The only power the Tea Party has is to “primary” Republicans who sell out to the government/corporate complex. The Republican establishment is the enemy of Tea Partiers. When Karl Rove raised tens of millions of dollars during the 2010 election cycle, he wasn’t just pitching defeating Democrats, he was telling corporate Republicans they better get some skin in the game, or the Tea Party Republicans wouldn’t fall in line. And many haven’t. It is going to be a long, hard struggle to wrest our personal and economic freedoms back from the power brokers.

  • Anonymous

    trose1 said this, “Please seceede, I want to see the face on all those seniors citizens
    with their snake flags in their hands and no SS or medicaid checks.”

    Glaring misstatements like this are usually indicative of someone trying to sound intelligent about something he knows little of. In other words, you repeat what you’re told, because you’re a tool, but at least get it right.

  • expatpatriot

    If they nominate Romney, and he’s strong enough to be president, he’ll be strong enough to drag his party out of the swamp and back into the real world where adults meet to govern.

    If he’s not equal to the task, then his party will fragment even further, House races will see hundreds of rightwing heads exploding and candidates spontaneously combusting, and the morning of November 7, 2012, will see Republican ranks decimated five times over.

    It’s all on Romney’s shoulders, and if he’s not up to it, the ‘Licans are going down, down, down.

  • Anonymous

    Well, then you’d have to find some new philanthropists to fund some of the public broadcasting that they’re currently doing.

  • Anonymous

    Its fitting that the cut, paste and link queen, cut, paste, and linked in the very same post about getting talking points.

    All you ever do is repeat the bullshit that is fed to you on the conservative blogosphere.

    You never offer an original thought to the discussion, never.

  • Anonymous

    ..now, imagine just how berserk fineman and his lunatic-left d-cRAT
    socialist extremist pals will get on Nov. 2012 when the republicans win
    the Senate and the presidency along with the House !!!!!

  • HawkCW4

    Are  you sure?   Cause thats the second time Ive heard that in 3 months.  Are you sure you know what debt we are trying to fix here?   

  • HawkCW4

    Yea right RRE, yet every time she does make a post she makes more sense than your whining ever has.  Personally, I never hear Rush, Beck, nor a church elder, but I do know BS when I hear  it, and buddy your putting it out there.

  • HawkCW4

    Really sucks to be told by a bunch of newcomers that hell no, you cant keep on spending like you want to.  In the sense the status quo has been shook to the very roots,  yep its extreame,  BUT way over due.  You fools had your way and have nearly backrupt America, now get out of the way and let these honest representatives do the work they were hired to do.  Everyone will give it lip service and agree,  we have to stop the debt crisis,  but what really happens is, Liberals demand more money to spend and no decrease in the actual spending in anything they can come up with.   Stupidity at its best.  And you better be glad there is some new extreameism going on in DC.

  • expatpatriot

    Imagine away. Just button your pants if there are children or horses nearby. It’ll give you something to do until November next years . . . and something to comfort you in the aftermath.

  • expatpatriot

    Give ‘em Texas.

  • HawkCW4

    Comon RRE,  you can say it.   Tell us what you are really saying.  Stop running off at the mouth,  there is a cure for that.  you know,  lots of folks post things here I totally disagree with,  but it was posted as what they believe,   you cant do that,  you are a coward and you would have us believe you are some sort of special know it all with so much wisdom we are just too stupid to understand what you say anyway so why actually say anything.  You sir are dishonest to a fault.  And dont forget,  A Coward too

  • Anonymous

    Fineman has been an empty suit for years. A shallow thinker and limited grasp of facts that dispute his that challenge his liberal dogma talaking points.  He’s like Milli Vanilli or the wimp behind the curtain in the “Wizard Of Oz ” . Hot air and lip syncing. No substance. Yawn…..

  • Anonymous

    Your limited grasp of ideas is revealed by the unimaginative and disgusting manner you expose yourself.

  • Anonymous

    It’s been a known fact for a long time that the BLUE states basically carry the US financial burden for the RED states.  And the TeaParty State of Tennessee is #1 recipient of Welfare.

  • Anonymous

    Texas use to have a lot of clout when it came to getting military bases.  So, they ended up with Ft Hood at Killeen, the Air Force Base – Lackland at San Antonio, Fort Bliss at El Paso, Carswell Field (Navy) at Fort Worth, Laughlin Air Force Base (Del Rio), Naval Air Station Corpus Christi, Sheppard Air Force Base Wichita Falls, Red River Army Depot (Texarkana), Randolph Air Force Base San Antinio,

  • Anonymous

    SInce it was Ronald Reagan and George w Bush who primarily ran up the damn debt, you tell us when you are going to raise the fricking taxes and close the corporate tax loopholes to get it paid off.  You’ve been sucking the boob of the middle class too damn long.  We’re tired and out of milk.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks okay.  It isn’t well publicized, but democrats also own guns, amnunition and thanks to their military service, they are good marksmen.

  • Anonymous

    If what Fineman said were true, the progressives would be a couple of laps in the lead of that secession. They started pealing off from the mainstream Americans a very long time ago.

  • Anonymous

    More charitable?  Please name some “charitable” rich republicans. The only one t have heard about is the Annenberg Foundation.  Yet, every philanthropist I have heard about is a democrat.  We have the Gates Foundation which is supported by not only Bill Gates (democrat) and Warren Buffett but lots of other millionaire & billionaires, then there is Mark Zuckenberg who gives $100 million to education and lots of Hollywood stars who give to their favorite causes as well.  Other than giving to their church, name some big charities of your republicans?  I bet it will be difficult to say the least.

  • Anonymous

    More charitable?  Please name some “charitable” rich republicans. The only one t have heard about is the Annenberg Foundation.  Yet, every philanthropist I have heard about is a democrat.  We have the Gates Foundation which is supported by not only Bill Gates (democrat) and Warren Buffett but lots of other millionaire & billionaires, then there is Mark Zuckenberg who gives $100 million to education and lots of Hollywood stars who give to their favorite causes as well.  Other than giving to their church, name some big charities of your republicans?  I bet it will be difficult to say the least.

  • Anonymous

    The Demon Party need to face the fact that anyone, and I mean, ANYONE would do a better job than the Idiot AntiAmerican that now sits in the Oval Office, B. Hussein Obama!  They are running scared because they know what is going to happen in 2012, when Conservatives take back the White House and Congress.  Keep Whining Whimps!

  • Anonymous

    How does your name calling and reference to fear progress the political debate?

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