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Keith Olbermann Touts Tea Party Violence Justification Poll, but Misses Larger Group

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by Tommy Christopher | 7:36 am, January 18th, 2011

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On Monday night’s Countdown, host Keith Olbermann cited a new Daily Kos/Public Policy Polling survey that showed that 13% of Tea Party voters think that violence against the current American government is justified, versus 6% of Republicans, and 5% of Democrats. He discussed the results with Mother Jones’ David Corn, and how they relate to the discussion on violent rhetoric in the wake of the mass shooting in Tucson.

Buried in the report, though, is the fact that another group polled at 17% on the very same question, a group in which alleged Tucson shooter Jared Lee Loughner is firmly ensconced.

Here’s the clip, from MSNBC:

The Tea Party result is definitely worth noting. Tea Party Americans, as Sarah Palin calls them, are more than twice as likely to feel that violence against our government is justified, which is a persuasive indictment of the rhetoric of armed revolution that is the movement’s hallmark, and to which some Republicans play.

That is not to say that the shooting in Tucson was, directly or indirectly, caused by this. As I’ve said before, though, just because something you said didn’t cause a mass murder doesn’t mean it was a responsible thing to say.

However, Olbermann misses another startling result from this poll. A whopping 17% of voters age 18-29 said they thought that violence against the current American government is justified, the very demographic from which alleged Tucson shooter Jared Lee Loughner sprang. Interestingly, results across the next two demographic groups were consistent at 3%, with a jump to 8% for voters over 65.

There’s probably not a lot of crossover between the Tea Party result and the 18-29 result, either. A Gallup survey from last year showed 18-29 as the Tea Party’s smallest demographic. It would appear that there are a bunch of pissed-off Tea Partiers, and an even bigger, different group of pissed-off young people.

There probably were some areas of crossover in other parts of the survey. Independents polled at 10% on the question, but a lot of them are probably Tea Partiers who disdain the GOP establishment. Finally, 13% of people making under $30,000 a year also thought that violence against our government is justified, a good portion of whom, it logically follows, are in that younger demographic.

What does it all mean? Well, it doesn’t mean that our youth are all Loughner-esque ticking time-bombs, nor are the Tea Partiers. What it does mean is that this tragedy has caused us to ask questions that we weren’t asking before, and we shouldn’t ignore the answers. One in six young people think that violence against our own government is justified, and almost one in seven Tea Partiers agree. Either our government has to stop deserving violence, or someone needs to calm these people down.

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timzank

Another worthless poll with no real applicable results in the real world. This is getting hilarious. I gotta start a polling firm.
The Real Royal King

Well, of course. The Tea Party has mainstreamed violence. It’s only natural the youth of America should be affected by that.
ChrisNH

Well, of course. Radical, lazy, ‘do-nothing’ Leftists have mainstreamed riots in major cities in this country and around the world when they feel their ‘entitlements’ are at risk. How can you stay lazy if you’re not being ‘provided for’ by others who aren’t lazy? Let’s not forget, too, that TRUE gun-toting violence is at epidemic levels in Lib-soaked inner cities. No ‘mainstreaming’ there…no. Not at all.
The Lantern of Truth

KING here , with his brain more twisted than a bag of pretzels . Keith and I believe that we must protect our youth ( whom I call whippersnappers ) and our women ( or , as Keith and I refer to them , mashed up bags of meat with lipstick ) from all the violent talk by the Tea Party .
Judge Mental

How do those numbers compare to other periods of time?
murf

It’s called ANARCHISTS , ya know those nuts at the G-8 summits , N.W.O , and Anti-War rallies .
timzank

Seriously, this tea-party is violent meme is rally tiresome, can’t you guys (Keith, King, etal) at least pick a meme you can prove? Don’t you tire of making claims you can’t prove?
The Real Royal King

murf said:
It’s called ANARCHISTS , ya know those nuts at the G-8 summits , N.W.O , and Anti-War rallies .

Actually, they’re not called “anarchists”. Anarchists eschew the organization it takes to put on an effective demonstration. At any rate, anarchy is not illegal in the US.
The Real Royal King

timzank said:
Seriously, this tea-party is violent meme is rally tiresome, can’t you guys (Keith, King, etal) at least pick a meme you can prove? Don’t you tire of making claims you can’t prove?

I can’t speak for Keith, but I mostly tire of your incessant panty-waisted bleating, kvetching, moaning and whining.
murf

The Real Royal King said:
Actually, they’re not called “anarchists”. Anarchists eschew the organization it takes to put on an effective demonstration. At any rate, anarchy is not illegal in the US.

And ? What’s your point ?

” A whopping 17% of voters age 18-29 said they thought that violence against the current American government is justified ”

Remember TRRK said old , fat, white , grandparents on lawnchairs are the Tea Partiers .
The Real Royal King

murf said:
And ? What’s your point ?

” A whopping 17% of voters age 18-29 said they thought that violence against the current American government is justified ”

Remember TRRK said old , fat, white , grandparents on lawnchairs are the Tea Partiers .

You know, when I was in high school at age 18, we were polled about marijuana use and sex. The results: we were all sex-crazed satyrs and dopeheads.
murf

The Real Royal King said:
You know, when I was in high school at age 18, we were polled about marijuana use and sex. The results: we were all sex-crazed satyrs and dopeheads.

Well somthings never change :-)
The Real Royal King

murf said:
Well somthings never change :-)

I suspect you meant “some things”?
The Lantern of Truth

The Real Royal King said:
You know, when I was in high school at age 18,

KING with a dunce cap on . When I was a senior in high school , at age 22 , President Hoover caused the stock market crash and I have hated Republicans ever since .
The Real Royal King

The Lantern of Truth said:
KING with a dunce cap on . When I was a senior in high school , at age 22 , President Hoover caused the stock market crash and I have hated Republicans ever since .

How terribly repetitive of you Writer/Lantern of Truth/Real Royal Queen/(Fake) Real Royal King/ImNotBlue. Perhaps, you ought to hire Nutsofast’s writer.
Penguin60

The Real Royal King said:
The Tea Party has mainstreamed violence.

You really should write for the Kos. Do really need the litany of proof that the left has used violent imagery for oh these many years?
Oregon Conservative

Could anything get more biased? How much Keith is a gasbag never ceases to amaze.

Tommy Christopher, please stop trying to offer up credibility to Keith. It’s unbecoming.
Pablo

Tea Party Americans, as Sarah Palin calls them, are more than twice as likely to feel that violence against our government is justified, which is a persuasive indictment of the rhetoric of armed revolution that is the movement’s hallmark, and to which some Republicans play.

What makes you think that rhetoric is responsible for the thinking as opposed to the thinking being responsible for the rhetoric? And on what fu*cking planet is armed revolution a hallmark of theTea Party? Kicking your asses at the polls, which the Tea Party just did, is quite effective.
murf

Upon further review , I missed the ” Daily Kos ” poll aspect to this story ( Tommy Christopher should have been my first clue ) . This wasn’t even worth commenting on , sorry for taking up space .
The Real Royal King

Penguin60 said:
You really should write for the Kos. Do really need the litany of proof that the left has used violent imagery for oh these many years?

No need, but thanks for the offer. The fact is violent imagery has long been a thread in the fabric of faith and patriotism, and more’s the pity for that. It distinguishes not among Christian, Muslim, Jew, between Protestant and Catholic, liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat. What’s new is a panderer/promoter to be called out on it, to decry his or her own victimhood.
Seeing 2012 From My Window

Well around 30% of Dem think Bush was behind 9/11. Yawn! I could do a poll today and find 50% of respondents that think Elvis is alive. Parson me if I don’t put alot of stock in a Daily Kos poll. They are just feeling the heat after they posted Gifford is dead to me a mere 2 days befor she was shot.
The Real Royal King

Pablo said:
What makes you think that rhetoric is responsible for the thinking as opposed to the thinking being responsible for the rhetoric? And on what fu*cking planet is armed revolution a hallmark of theTea Party? Kicking your asses at the polls, which the Tea Party just did, is quite effective.

Actually, I think you ought to watch Marco Rubio’s fascinating little Rhumba across the room pulling away from the Tea Party and into mainstream Republicanism. I don’t criticize him for it, to be sure. It is the politically expedient thing to do, but it seems to me to be somewhat emblematic.
ProObamaAgenda

ChrisNH said:
Well, of course. Radical, lazy, ‘do-nothing’ Leftists have mainstreamed riots in major cities in this country and around the world when they feel their ‘entitlements’ are at risk. How can you stay lazy if you’re not being ‘provided for’ by others who aren’t lazy? Let’s not forget, too, that TRUE gun-toting violence is at epidemic levels in Lib-soaked inner cities. No ‘mainstreaming’ there…no. Not at all.

you sir are an idiot……now you want to blame white on white suburban violence on inner city folks???…you like most uninformed white dumbasses choose to pass the buck on to people who had nothing to do with your BS. People like you will find any excuse to blame bad behavior by white people on blacks…Im sure your defense of your dumb statement will be that you never mentioned black, but i know good and gawd damned well what you mean by your statement….racist scumbag
timzank

Pablo said:
What makes you think that rhetoric is responsible for the thinking as opposed to the thinking being responsible for the rhetoric? And on what fu*cking planet is armed revolution a hallmark of theTea Party? Kicking your asses at the polls, which the Tea Party just did, is quite effective.

That’s the fun part. The Tea Party and Republicans completely kicked their asses in historic fashion on Nov 2nd, and these tools don’t have the brains to change their method of attack (i.e. tea party is racist, violent etc) which is fine with us. Keep it up, you are doing a remarkable job.
The Real Royal King

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Well around 30% of Dem think Bush was behind 9/11. Yawn! I could do a poll today and find 50% of respondents that think Elvis is alive. Parson me if I don’t put alot of stock in a Daily Kos poll. They are just feeling the heat after they posted Gifford is dead to me a mere 2 days befor she was shot.

We’ll parson you alot both befor and after your coffee. I am sure Representative Gifford would. Representative Giffords as well. Have a nice day. Perhaps, this will help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_v468ptuXw
Seeing 2012 From My Window

you sir are an idiot

Don’t worry ProObamaAgenda, there’s still time for you to wise up. Sadly, I’m not to optimistic.
timzank

ProObamaAgenda said:
you sir are an idiot……now you want to blame white on white suburban violence on inner city folks???…you like most uninformed white dumbasses choose to pass the buck on to people who had nothing to do with your BS. People like you will find any excuse to blame bad behavior by white people on blacks…Im sure your defense of your dumb statement will be that you never mentioned black, but i know good and gawd damned well what you mean by your statement….racist scumbag

He pointed out a very clear and simple fact, riots ALWAYS occur in inner cities where the MAJORITY of residents are government wards. You (dems) created it and you sustain it. It is your legacy now, nonworking government sucking non taxpaying wards of the state that produce more of the same over and over.

You must be very proud.
The Real Royal King

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Sadly, I’m not to optimistic.

Nor too optimistic, I should think.
timzank

The Real Royal King said:
We’ll parson you alot both befor and after your coffee. I am sure Representative Gifford would. Representative Giffords as well. Have a nice day. Perhaps, this will help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_v468ptuXw

That was pretty funny how they had her in their crosshairs wasn’t it? Dem on Dem violence, heh!
The Real Royal King

timzank said:
He pointed out a very clear and simple fact, riots ALWAYS occur in inner cities where the MAJORITY of residents are government wards. You (dems) created it and you sustain it. It is your legacy now, nonworking government sucking non taxpaying wards of the state that produce more of the same over and over.

You must be very proud.

It seems to me that we have a number of people who have been beneficiaries of affirmative action and gouvernment largesse. Justice Clarence Thomas comes to mind, although since he got “his” he wishes to deny it to others.
The Real Royal King

timzank said:
That was pretty funny how they had her in their crosshairs wasn’t it? Dem on Dem violence, heh!

I don’t find violent imagery as appealing as you do.
murf

The Real Royal King said:
gouvernment

” government “
ProObamaAgenda

yeah sure crossburner…..whens the last time there was a riot in the USA?????….can you tell me…..the closest thing we’ve had to a riot in the last 30 years is you radical teabagging SOBs gathering in front of the US Capitol throwing spitballs at congresspeople……its the We’re Gonna Take Our Country Back Annie Git Your Gun crowd that you’re a member of thats the new “INNER CITY” crowd…….stop trying to deflect….its getting old already…..you’ve been exposed……Stand Up Be A Man and own up to what you’re doing….stop acting like pussies and trying to blame others….Im glad states are reducing prison populations by giving early releases to low level drug offenders……They are just creating more bed space for you wingnuts
Seeing 2012 From My Window

Good catch Murf. I told the self-appointed Royal Spelling and Grammar Czar that he needs to be perfect if he’s going to play the law, but he stills has trouble.
Seeing 2012 From My Window

ProObamaAgenda, you’ve got alot of rage. You may want to consider seeking help. We’ve seen what can happen if you don’t.
timzank

ProObamaAgenda said:
yeah sure crossburner…..whens the last time there was a riot in the USA?????….can you tell me…..the closest thing we’ve had to a riot in the last 30 years is you radical teabagging SOBs gathering in front of the US Capitol throwing spitballs at congresspeople……its the We’re Gonna Take Our Country Back Annie Git Your Gun crowd that you’re a member of thats the new “INNER CITY” crowd…….stop trying to deflect….its getting old already…..you’ve been exposed……Stand Up Be A Man and own up to what you’re doing….stop acting like pussies and trying to blame others….Im glad states are reducing prison populations by giving early releases to low level drug offenders……They are just creating more bed space for you wingnuts

Here ya go Einstein:
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2010/06/18/video-of-los-angeles-riots-and-mayhem-after-the-lakers-beat-the-celtics-in-the-2010-nba-finals/
The Real Royal King

murf said:
” government ”

Either spelling is acceptable. I often like to use the “u” in such words as gouvernment, colour, armour, because doing so shows my great and endearing affinity with the British people and my love for our common language. That, and the fact that Americans are so easily impressed with British usage ….
The Real Royal King

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Good catch Murf. I told the self-appointed Royal Spelling and Grammar Czar that he needs to be perfect if he’s going to play the law, but he stills has trouble.

The Real Royal King said:
Either spelling is acceptable. I often like to use the “u” in such words as gouvernment, colour, armour, because doing so shows my great and endearing affinity with the British people and my love for our common language. That, and the fact that Americans are so easily impressed with British usage ….

Twit.
timzank

The Real Royal King said:
Either spelling is acceptable. I often like to use the “u” in such words as gouvernment, colour, armour, because doing so shows my great and endearing affinity with the British people and my love for our common language. That, and the fact that Americans are so easily impressed with British usage ….

wow. just wow.
Seeing 2012 From My Window

HAHAHAHAHA!! You are flippin hilarious King!!
notsofast

A DailyKos poll?

Bawahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Scott_in_MI

And in other news, a recent poll of New York residents taken by the New York Jets shows that the Jets are favored over the Steelers this weekend.

So what does this poll show?

Nothing, because it can’t be trusted. The same thing w/ a poll for Kos
timzank

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
HAHAHAHAHA!! You are flippin hilarious King!!

Gotta give him props for thinking fast.
cjd ohio 1

ProObamaAgenda said:
yeah sure crossburner…..whens the last time there was a riot in the USA?????….can you tell me…..the closest thing we’ve had to a riot in the last 30 years is you radical teabagging SOBs gathering in front of the US Capitol throwing spitballs at congresspeople……its the We’re Gonna Take Our Country Back Annie Git Your Gun crowd that you’re a member of thats the new “INNER CITY” crowd…….stop trying to deflect….its getting old already…..you’ve been exposed……Stand Up Be A Man and own up to what you’re doing….stop acting like pussies and trying to blame others….Im glad states are reducing prison populations by giving early releases to low level drug offenders……They are just creating more bed space for you wingnuts

seattle 1999
Seeing 2012 From My Window

Can you image how insufferable he must be to live with?
The Real Royal King

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
HAHAHAHAHA!! You are flippin hilarious King!!

Speaking of flippin [sic], have you made a hot breakfast for the Spanish soccer team’s premiere player, yet?
The Real Royal King

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Can you image how insufferable he must be to live with?

You can’t begin to guess, Girlfriend. And, you believe you and Sarah Palin to be perpetual victims. My wife is truly a martyr. The only man I know more insufferable than I is my son.
Seeing 2012 From My Window

Yep, he’s been fed and long gone to another full day of getting straight A’s. And his soccer team is undefeated this season. Great kid!
murf

The Real Royal King said:
Either spelling is acceptable. I often like to use the “u” in such words as gouvernment, colour, armour, because doing so shows my great and endearing affinity with the British people and my love for our common language. That, and the fact that Americans are so easily impressed with British usage ….

There is no way you’re married . LOL
timzank

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Can you image how insufferable he must be to live with?

One would have to logically assume the only one living with him/it would be his/it’s mother and of course, she created him/it so she’s not only to blame but also predisposed to accept his numerous shortcomings!

Wow, that sounded almost King like, didn’t it?
Penguin60

ProObamaAgenda said:
whens the last time there was a riot in the USA?????….

Yep it’s all the radical Tea Partiers. Whose the hater? Get a clue.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6848176.ece
notsofast

On Monday night’s Countdown, host Keith Olbermann cited a new Daily Kos/Public Policy Polling survey that showed that 13% of Tea Party voters think that violence against the current American government is justified.”

Hey KO, did ya ever report this???

“Zogby poll: 42% of Democrats are either Truthers or Quasi-Truthers”
Seeing 2012 From My Window

There is no way you’re married . LOL

You know what they say, Murf, there is a lid for every pot.
ChrisNH

ProObamaAgenda said:
you sir are an idiot……now you want to blame white on white suburban violence on inner city folks???…you like most uninformed white dumbasses choose to pass the buck on to people who had nothing to do with your BS. People like you will find any excuse to blame bad behavior by white people on blacks…Im sure your defense of your dumb statement will be that you never mentioned black, but i know good and gawd damned well what you mean by your statement….racist scumbag

That must be you being ‘civil,’ ‘tolerant,’ and ‘compassionate,’ right? We laugh at Liberalism these days…full of lies that have been proven and unmet ‘promises.’ Your rage is just what I like to see because it proves that things aren’t going your way. How sad that your ideology has crumbled. For you, I mean. Of course, WE are the civil ones. Not once did I utter the word ‘scumbag.’

Enjoy the further demolition of Liberalism, you small socialist child.
timzank

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
There is no way you’re married . LOL You know what they say, Murf, there is a lid for every pot.

Heh, can you imagine how many times king saw the INSIDE of a locker throughout his school years? You just know with a personality like his he must have had his a&& kicked on a daily basis.
murf

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
There is no way you’re married . LOL

You know what they say, Murf, there is a lid for every pot.

HAHA, nice !
ProObamaAgenda

timzank said:
Here ya go Einstein:
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2010/06/18/video-of-los-angeles-riots-and-mayhem-after-the-lakers-beat-the-celtics-in-the-2010-nba-finals/

uh oh tim….you got me on that one…..Pls allow me to retort…..what had happened was the Laker fans were just responding to allegations of Larry Bird, Danny Ainge and Hondo Havlechek having a hissy fit and breakin windows out at The Staple Center………..
Penguin60

Scott_in_MI said:
And in other news, a recent poll of New York residents taken by the New York Jets shows that the Jets are favored over the Steelers this weekend.

And another poll taken in Pittsburgh reveals that 99.9% favour the Steelers. That and Primanti’s are better than Philly cheesesteaks.
timzank

ProObamaAgenda said:
uh oh tim….you got me on that one…..Pls allow me to retort…..what had happened was the Laker fans were just responding to allegations of Larry Bird, Danny Ainge and Hondo Havlechek having a hissy fit and breakin windows out at The Staple Center………..

Uhh..riot…inner city…case closed.
Seeing 2012 From My Window

Tim, I’m thinking that he, the lunchlady and the librarian had many intense conversations at lunchtime.
The Real Royal King

timzank said:
One would have to logically assume the only one living with him/it would be his/it’s mother and of course, she created him/it so she’s not only to blame but also predisposed to accept his numerous shortcomings!

Wow, that sounded almost King like, didn’t it?

My mother died 18 December 2009, shortly after 07:00 Hours. Congestive heart failure. And, you’re right. She was living with my wife and me, in hospice care. But, this deflects us from our core focus: Sarah Palin’s victimhood.
The Real Royal King

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Tim, I’m thinking that he, the lunchlady and the librarian had many intense conversations at lunchtime.

I have long known that cultivating friendly, respectful relationships with service people is often the key to accomplishment. But, I understand your need to diminish them
Obeezy

ProObamaAgenda said:
yeah sure crossburner…..whens the last time there was a riot in the USA?????….can you tell me…..the closest thing we’ve had to a riot in the last 30 years is you radical teabagging SOBs gathering in front of the US Capitol throwing spitballs at congresspeople……its the We’re Gonna Take Our Country Back Annie Git Your Gun crowd that you’re a member of thats the new “INNER CITY” crowd…….stop trying to deflect….its getting old already…..you’ve been exposed……Stand Up Be A Man and own up to what you’re doing….stop acting like pussies and trying to blame others….Im glad states are reducing prison populations by giving early releases to low level drug offenders……They are just creating more bed space for you wingnuts

1980: Miami Riot 1980
1991: Crown Heights Riot
1992: 1992 Los Angeles riots
2001: 2001 Cincinnati Riots
2001: Seattle Mardi Gras Riots
2009: Oakland CA, Oscar Grant Murder Riots

I guess Pro Obama Agenda means bieng ignorant and an idiot
The Real Royal King

Penguin60 said:
And another poll taken in Pittsburgh reveals that 99.9% favour the Steelers. That and Primanti’s are better than Philly cheesesteaks.

“Favour”. I like it.
Seeing 2012 From My Window

I’m not diminishing THEM. I applaud them for taking pity on you. My mother-in-law spent many years in the HS cafeteria.
valkyrie101

notsofast said:
On Monday night’s Countdown, host Keith Olbermann cited a new Daily Kos/Public Policy Polling survey that showed that 13% of Tea Party voters think that violence against the current American government is justified.” Hey KO, did ya ever report this??? “Zogby poll: 42% of Democrats are either Truthers or Quasi-Truthers”

Maybe, nobody I know, but maybe. One thing for sure, though, the main go to guy for FOX News on legal matters, especially constitutional matters, Judge Napolitano, is a “truther”.
notsofast

valkyrie101 said:
Maybe, nobody I know, but maybe. One thing for sure, though, the main go to guy for FOX News on legal matters, especially constitutional matters, Judge Napolitano, is a “truther”.

See, FOX does have Dims on its shows!
Pablo

ProObamaAgenda said:
yeah sure crossburner…..whens the last time there was a riot in the USA?????…

Oakland, two months ago. Does Van Jones still live up there?
ChrisNH

Obeezy said:
1980: Miami Riot 1980
1991: Crown Heights Riot
1992: 1992 Los Angeles riots
2001: 2001 Cincinnati Riots
2001: Seattle Mardi Gras Riots
2009: Oakland CA, Oscar Grant Murder Riots

I guess Pro Obama Agenda means bieng ignorant and an idiot

^^^ This ^^^

Libs are so many fries short of a Happy meal it’s not even funny. The list above? Libs being Libs.
valkyrie101

notsofast said:
See, FOX does have Dims on its shows!

Then I will have to say that “Dims” certainly show up on MSNBC and CNN too.
Seeing 2012 From My Window

ChrisNH says:

Libs are so many fries short of a Happy meal it’s not even funny.

We will have to find a new analogy once they successfully ban the Happy Meal.
Pablo

Most Dangerous Cities in the US:

#1 New Orleans (D)

#2 Camden, NJ (D)

#3 Detroit (D)

#4 St. Louis (D)

#5 Oakland (D)

#6 Flint, MI (D)

#7 Gary, IN (D)

#8 Birmingham, AL (D)

#9 Richmond, CA (D)

#10 North Charleston, SC (D)

Tea Party hotbeds, all of them.
Pablo

I’m really surprised that Salt Lake City, Boise and Omaha aren’t on that list.
Seeing 2012 From My Window

Some more interesting numbers from this poll were that Liberals polled at 7 percent, ahead of moderates and conservatives at 6 percent. This means Liberals not only polled higher than the rest of the country, but also higher than conservatives.

And, although whites and blacks polled at 6 and 5 percent respectively, Hispanics polled at nine percent. When combined with 14 percent for “Other” under race, this means non-white/non-black Americans see violence against the government as being far more acceptable than the entire nation.

Add it all up, and there were some very interesting findings in this poll. Yet Olbermann chose to focus attention exclusively on the Tea Party:
The Real Royal King

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Yet Olbermann chose to focus attention exclusively on the Tea Party:

Victimization is spreading.
Seeing 2012 From My Window

HAHA, Keith, I KNEW that was you. Cherry picking again. Shouldn’t you be feeding Ms. Precious Perfect?
mlong

And we’re supposed to trust a poll from the Daily Kos?
Grammie

Tommy Said:

“There’s probably not a lot of crossover between the Tea Party result and the 18-29 result, either. A Gallup survey from last year showed 18-29 as the Tea Party’s smallest demographic.

Gee, Tommy, you just put your sensitive fingers on the pulse of ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

I googled the demographics of Tea Party vs USA and I found myself here:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/tea-partiers-fairly-mainstream-demographics.aspx

According to this poll the Tea Party demographic is so closely aligned with the US as a whole that the difference is statistically irrelevant.:

Tea Party USA

18-29 16 17

30-49 34 36

50-64 29 27

65+ 21 20

So, tell me exactly how that poll KO touts shows that Tea Partiers have revolution in their hearts all out of proportion to the general population.

Oh, did I mention that my google search led me to the exact same Gallup Poll that you linked to? However did you miss that especially in light of the poll actually states its conclusion above each comparison:

“Tea Party supporters are decidedly Republican and conservative in their leanings. Also, compared with average Americans, supporters are slightly more likely to be male and less likely to be lower-income.”

“In several other respects, however — their age, educational background, employment status, and race — Tea Partiers are quite representative of the public at large.”

That poll is a treasure trove of proof that much of the MSM talking points re the Tea Party is simply not true.
Grammie

Grammie said:
Tea Party USA

18-29 16 17

30-49 34 36

50-64 29 27

65+ 21 20

I apologize for the visuals of this. I did line it up in columns and it looked fine before I submitted it. In any case the Poll is linked and very easy to see. It just wouldn’t let me C&P.
Grammie

mlong said:
And we’re supposed to trust a poll from the Daily Kos?

Ain’t it tha truth!

From Ezra Klein in the Washington Post:

Daily Kos poll fraud

“For the past year and a half, Daily Kos has contracted with the pollster Research 2000 to conduct polling for the site. As part of the deal, Markos Moulitsas posted all of the internal numbers that were part of the poll. Recently, a few statisticians took a look at those numbers and wrote to tell Markos that they thought they were fishy. After looking at their report, waiting for Research 2000 to respond and having independent statisticians assess the evidence, Markos has concluded they’re right”

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/06/dailykos_poll_fraud.html

I’m sure that Markos’ polls can be trusted now for he is an honorable man.
CAconservative

The real possibility of a violent overthrow of this government is not out of the realm of reality. Since the ratification of the Constitution we have seen a steady movement by government to corrupt and reinvent the original intent of the Constitution, aided by the Supreme Court. With political idiots who charge that the Constitution is a “living document”, to be bent and twisted to mean what ever the current government wants to push on us, is it any wonder that people in the Tea-Party, and at large, are considering violent overthrow, in increasing numbers.
Pablo

The Real Royal King said:
Victimization is spreading.

Think of it as flailing. That’s more descriptive. You have to have some sort of impact on someone to victimize them. Olby doesn’t pack enough punch.
felixw

C’mon Keith, if you want to attack violence, how about denouncing Bill Ayers, the President’s bomb-loving buddy?

How about mentioning the fact that the Arizona shooter was full of anti-Bush rhetoric, similar to what you have been spewing out on Countdown year after year?

How about taking on the Islamic terrorists — a term that is never even mentioned on Countdown?

How about talking the rising levels of bloodshed in Afghanistan, where casualties are at all time highs?

How about looking at undeniable correlation between Democrat control of the inner cities — most of which have been under Democrat rule for a half-century or so — and the out-of-control violent crime rates in those same neighborhoods?

How about addressing the Alabama academic who shot and killed colleagues – a devoted fan of Obama who may very well been inspired by his “we’ll bring a gun” comment?

How about talking about the connection between the Ft. Hood shooting and the Islamic extremism — a subject you never mention on Countdown?

How about talking about the connection between the Times Square car bomb and Islamic extremism – also ignored on Countdown?

How about point out the marked similarity between the manifesto of the bomb-building Unambomber and those espoused by Al Gore? Why not take Gore to task when environmental extremists commit violent crimes?

How about talking about all the violent revolutions by leftwing radicals cheered on by the leftwing press over the decades?

How about talking about the connection between The Nation, whose staff are frequent guests on MSNBC, and their decades-long defense of Stalin, all the while glossing over the millions of people murdered by this tyrant?

Etc.
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And if you are incapable or unwilling to take these stances, Keith, give up on Palin’s map — which is just another pathetic exercise in hypocrisy and propaganda, now the trademarks of you and your entire network.
jrcmi

“Since the ratification of the Constitution we have seen a steady movement by government to corrupt and reinvent the original intent of the Constitution, aided by the Supreme Court . . . ”

For example, the ultra-conservative Roberts Court that decided corporations are persons – one of the most ludicrous assertions I’ve ever heard.

” . . . With political idiots who charge that the Constitution is a “living document”, to be bent and twisted to mean what ever the current government wants to push on us . . . ”

The first thing the Founders did after creating the Constitution was to “bend and twist” it – i.e., add the first ten amendments. Were THEY “political idiots”?

A bunch of self-righteous “teetotalers” decided no one ELSE should drink booze, either, and pushed through the 18th Amendment. Calmer – and thirstier – heads prevailed and passed the 21st Amendment, nullifying the 18th. Were the self-righteous “political idiots”? The thirsty? Both? Neither? Who decides? You?

The Constitution lays out general goals and principles, specifies some, and leaves the rest to future generations to figure out. The document itself specifies the ways in which it can be modified so, yes, the Constitution is, indeed, a “living document.” Its flaws (e.g., the “three-fifths compromise” – not heard in the Congressional reading) are outshone by its resiliency and flexibility.

“. . . is it any wonder that people in the Tea-Party, and at large, are considering violent overthrow, in increasing numbers.”

Which was precisely Olbermann’s point. He properly noted the Tea Party contingent among the violence-prone, since they are more politically active and organized than the 18-29 age cohort or the other violence-prone groups in the poll.

The commenter who noted past problems with the Daily Kos polls failed to note that he immediately fired the polling organization when these discrepancies were found. Moulitsas is, indeed, an honorable man.

Riots generally occur in densely populated and impoverished urban areas (you can’t have a riot without people). Cities like Boise and Omaha do not share these characteristics. The 1999 Seattle “riot” was a mostly peaceful protest of the WTO meeting occurring there. 40,000+ protesters congregated in the city. A relative few engaged in violence. 600 arrests were ultimately found to have been made illegally.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Organization_Ministerial_Conference_of_1999_protest_activity)

Some not-very-subtle racial – and racist – implications have been made here. No densely populated, impoverished AND predominantly white American cities exist, to my knowledge. Thus, making a race-based case for civil disobedience is not possible – or rational.

If 300 Tea Partiers hold a rally in South Bug Tussle they get media coverage out the wazoo. By contrast, 20,000 progressives peacefully assembled in Michigan last year and you never heard a peep about it.
Tommy Christopher

Grammie said:
Tommy Said:

“There’s probably not a lot of crossover between the Tea Party result and the 18-29 result, either. A Gallup survey from last year showed 18-29 as the Tea Party’s smallest demographic.

Gee, Tommy, you just put your sensitive fingers on the pulse of ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

I googled the demographics of Tea Party vs USA and I found myself here:

I don’t know what your objection is. That quote from me has nothing to do with Tea Partiers being out of proportion with the general public. It was to illustrate that likely very few of the 17% were young AND Tea Partiers.

And you could’ve saved yourself the googling, I linked to the poll in my story.
ryan_mn

I know the word is included in the question, but I can’t help the fact that nearly everyone glossed over the word “current”.

5% sounds like the right number for nutterbutters. People that will say anything.

But I have to assume that there would several assassination attempts a year if the poll’s findings were more than a misunderstanding.
NORBIT

Duh!
The poll numbers reflect the difference between the oppressors and the oppressed!!!
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tony-Westover/1496648721 Tony Westover

The central point of the 2nd amendment is so that you can be violent against the government. It protects the populace from being disarmed by government if they try to infringe on other rights, particular the 1st amendment and your right to vote.

We’re still able to vote, and 1st amendment rights are still intact so it’s a bit premature to whip out the guns.

But… the guns themselves are a determent in the first place.
Just_MC

The Real Royal King said:
Well, of course. The Tea Party has mainstreamed violence. It’s only natural the youth of America should be affected by that.

Just when I thought you couldn’t get any dumber…
X-3

It’s interesting how those on the left conveniently overlook the sources of historical violence among certain groups. When asking honest questions, one honest question would be who has a history of violence? Certainly not the Tea Party! In fact, even among conservative groups–those who honor the Constitution–there is no record of violent actions.

While there is a clear meaning in the Constitution that the 2nd Amendment became a part of our Constitution so the People might have the legal means to equip themselves to overthrow a tyrannical government (AND PROTECT THEIR FAMILIES FROM CRIMINALS), no such violence has been perpetrated…yet.

Looking back in US history, one must ask themselves honestly who were those people who have not only advocated but participated in “civil unrest,” or violence. We have seen violence from unions, students, black panthers, Weather Underground, communists, socialists, fascists, marxists, and other uniquely “liberal” groups. Even the KKK voted democrat!

And, even today it remains those same democratic voters who consistently call for violence. From the “top down, bottom up, and inside out” calls to action (violence) from Van Jones, to this group:

http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/09/16/leftists-unhinged-piven-advocates-violence-when-its-a-big-part-of-your-strategy/