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Fox Panel Includes Warm, Cozy Moment Between Atheist And Christian. Or Not.

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On Wednesday, America Live host Megyn Kelly tackled a recent Huffington Post column — titled “The Jesus-Eating Cult of Rick Santorum” — mocking the GOP candidate’s Catholicism. [Ed. note: If I can play an advocate of Satan for a moment, I suspect -- mostly from the use of the phrase "unlike Christians," -- that Larry Doyle's HuffPost piece might be drawing a parallel to the way Mormonism have been discussed throughout the GOP race, including by former Mormons. Kelly noted that Doyle himself called his article a "ridiculously over-the-top broadside."]

Kelly invited panelists Sandy Rios of Family-Pac Federal and David Silverman of American Atheists (You can see already where this is going, no?) onto the show to discuss the issue further.

RELATED: Maher’s New Rule: Atheism And Religion Are ‘Not Two Sides Of The Same Coin’

“Satire is supposed to be amusing,” said Rios, “and this was far from amusing.”

When Kelly asked Silverman whether Catholicism is the only major religion that is seen as “ok” to bash or mock, he responded that “yes, we all have to have pity for the poor Catholic Church, the richest, most corrupt organization in the history of mankind.” He did concede, however, that the piece was “a little too over the top” and could have done without referencing Hitler.

Rios felt that Christianity is indeed seen as “fair game” for mockery, and that those on the left “roll over backwards” to protect Islam. That said, “religious institutions and constructs are man-made,” she later added, “and when a piece like this comes up, Larry is upset with the institutes — the Crusades, the pedophile priests, the Lutheran Church, who colluted with Nazi Germany. But that’s different than God Himself. The Christian God is very unique; He transforms lives radically. And when you really know Him — not the institutions — you’re willing to lay down your life for Him like that Iranian pastor who’s under death threat right now. The Christian God is remarkable and wonderful.” But the left “hates God” and so they “attack the constructs.”

Silverman, meanwhile, felt that any and every religion is “fair game.”

“Good luck, David, in believing in nothing,” Rios replied. “God loves you anyway.”

“Thanks for being snarky and have a nice day,” he countered.

See? We CAN all get along, as long as it’s done in a highly passive aggressive manner. I believe in us, you guys. I believe in us.

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SFTL7XN4U4F6WAPKNKS3AYK72M More

    I’ve been away from Mediaite for about five months.  It’s amazing how partisan and biased this website really is.  But to be honest, I don’t care as long as the…writers (sigh)…are truthful about their slant.  You see, that’s what I don’t mind about Rush.  He’s a neocon…and he’s pretty much honest about it.  Ed Shultz from MSNBC…he’s obviously another liberal and he’s honest about it.

  • Anonymous

    Can’t we just all get along?

  • Anonymous

    “ ‘Good luck, David, in believing in nothing,’ Rios replied.”

    Does this woman really prefer that people believe in unproven fairy tales than realities that one can see, experience and test?

  • Anonymous

    seriously? who cares, technically, Catholics are Jesus eating no?  I was raised in catholic church as an adolescent and they made us eat “the body of christ” and also drink “the blood of christ” .. Also , is it not true they are technically an arm of NAMBLA? with all the sexual abuse and cover up? Notice despite it being over the top, they are not disputing the main points., they are just acting offended. 

  • Anonymous

    But the left “hates God” and so they “attack the constructs.”

    I’m sure Catholic God loves his followers using divisiveness to score political points. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690550741 Michael A. Leach

    You really had to leave the commercials in the segment?

  • Anonymous

    I probably wouldn’t use “cult” but “Jesus eating” is what the RCC accepts as part of their rituals. They apply literally John 6:54, “He who feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has life eternal,”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E2YKNJBKUJEL7IN6HROUXSNCAY david

    God does love David Silverman, but He will still judge and condemn him if he continues to reject Christ, the only One who can save him from judgement.  http://atheistlegitimacy.blogspot.com/

  • JustAsking2012

    Rios felt that Christianity is indeed seen as “fair game” for mockery,
    and that those on the left “roll over backwards” to protect Islam.

    As once again show by THIS Mediaite article:

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/bbc-chief-christianity-is-treated-with-less-sensitivity-than-other-religions/

    So… again we say, Duuuuuuuuh.

  • Anonymous

    is a god really just an absentee landlord?

  • Pablo

    Like a socialist utopia?

  • Anonymous

    Actually, Christopher Hitchens rightly described belief in an invisible almighty as a “celestial North Korea,” adding, however, that at least when you die in North Korea you’re done with it.

  • Anonymous

    Rush is not a neocon but a con(servative) while Fat Ed used to be a conservative but now is a pudding addict.

  • Charlton Heston’s Ghost

    Go to a Mosque and declare that the Koran/Quran is an unproven fairy tale.

    I’m sure you’ll be showered with love and affection.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, Mediaite had been invaded by rabid leftists in recent weeks.  I don’t know what happened, but it seems there must be some website out there that doesn’t discourage hate speech and they referenced a Mediaite article, or something…   Hopefully the trolls will soon get bored and go back to their original sites.

  • Anonymous

    fox and megyn should get over themselves! the piece was hilarious! promote free speech. we allow mr.frothy and his hateful free speech!

  • Anonymous

    Reject “Christ”? Simple word, but like five thousand denominations of Christianity disputing its meaning. Why would any athiest think of believing in “Christ” when that word means different things to different people. Same thing with the word “God”. I can see why people want to say that they do not believe in “God” because the way many people, especially the fundamentalists, define ”God” is not something anyone should admit believing in.

  • Anonymous

     If you had the faintest idea of what socialism is, you would know that it has nothing to do with utopian thought.  Marx never said that socialism would end suffering, only that it would reduce scarcity and end oppression.

  • Anonymous

     Man, I really don’t like fundies… 

    I’d rather not believe in a god that reserves salvation only for those that fan his ego while good, non-Christian people are condemned to the depths of hell.

  • Anonymous

     http://i.qkme.me/BRz.jpg

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IZJ5434L4MAGZXPU3ZWMBUCVOQ Jakester

    Funny but you seem like a pretty rabid troll yourself, though not as bad as some of the total right wing nutbags.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IZJ5434L4MAGZXPU3ZWMBUCVOQ Jakester

    I despise Islam for what it does too, but I am not a masochist nor do I want to attack anyone just for believing in a faith

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IZJ5434L4MAGZXPU3ZWMBUCVOQ Jakester

    Well considering the Catholics literally believe that the wafer is Jesus’s flesh and the wine is his blood, that is hardly an unusual or original take from Ariana. I think that is pretty creepy too and it sounds like the same reason true cannibals eat corpses: to gain their spirit and strength of the dead person. Too bad the right is so good at exploiting the simple minded believers with faux outrages.

  • Anonymous

    they have to by law, if they are using the clips in that format! 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IZJ5434L4MAGZXPU3ZWMBUCVOQ Jakester

    Go ahead and stick up for a faith that oppressed your people for a millenia or more while whining all yesterday about Farrakahn

  • Anonymous

    well considering the power Catholic church wields across the globe, they deserve to be treated as they are, Not to mention all of the sex abuse world wide. please, I have no sympathy for the church of pedophiles. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IZJ5434L4MAGZXPU3ZWMBUCVOQ Jakester

    You don’t condemn a person to an eternity of torment if you love you, Sounds like you had a really abusive and cruel father; who after tormenting you, told you how much he “loved” you.

  • Anonymous

    what is the obsession with right wingnuts with screaming about Islam every time Christianity is dissed. Arent you different than Islam? Then dont compare yourselves by saying mooslims would cut peoples heads off, etc. 

  • Anonymous

    Conservatives in general lack the irony and satire genes. They don’t understand that satire is indeed meant to offend, as well as inform. It’s one of the most powerful literary devices as is attested to by Jonathan Swift (Gulliver’s Travels, How to Cook Irish Babies), Lewis Carroll (Alice through the Looking Glass),  and even Ann Coulter for Chrissakes.

    Their base consist of the Nascar , tractor pull, monster truck rally types and they reject higher education, especially liberal arts like history, English,literature and the humanities. In short, they’re blissfully ignorant and revel in their ignorance. They’re our very own Taliban.

    They’ll always be with us unfortunately. Let’s just hope the rest of the populace recognizes them for who and what they are. Dummies.

  • JustAsking2012

    For someone who has only been posting here for a day… you sure do “know” a lot about everyone.

    Why is that?

  • Anonymous

    Hey! Hey! I love NASCAR and monster trucks.  I will pass on tractor pulls so I guess that makes me Independent.

  • Anonymous

    It’s quite simple. I’m not religious myself, but any sentient, thinking person can understand that while it’s acceptable to criticize and mock Christianity with no consequence, disrespect shown towards the Muslim religion often results in bloodshed, mayhem and death. It’s not at all a matter of comparing the two religions, they both purportedly advocate for “peace”.  

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IZJ5434L4MAGZXPU3ZWMBUCVOQ Jakester

    People like you and Chuck are so laughable with your faux reasonableness & integrity; when merely you end up sounding like all the other people on talk radio. Most of the really rabid hatefilled stupid comments here as on most boards come from righties.Yet you two are so mendacious that you ignore them but look for anything from the left in order to gin up your vintage outrage. I don’t expect you to answer for every conservative nutcase here, but puhleeze, the dimwit tripe from Chuck, that started this sub-thread, is reall pathetic

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for your input, asshat.

  • Anonymous

    Brilliant! Not.

  • Anonymous

    Burppppppppppp! Ahhhhh, tasty!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IZJ5434L4MAGZXPU3ZWMBUCVOQ Jakester

    I am a road race snob myself, an eleetest

  • Anonymous

    Why don’t you go lick up some of that frosty you faggots are always talking about?

  • Anonymous

    we’re not comparing ourselves.  We are telling you that you’re welcome to bash all religions – so go right ahead. Tell them there really aren’t vestal virgins waiting for them.  I dare you! lol

    p.s. Richard sends his regards and he’s not 100% certain there isn’t a God, so  conduct yourself accordingly.  

  • Anonymous

    No.

  • Anonymous

    “people believe in unproven fairy tales”—I assume you’re equating that to “faith”. Do you have faith in anything GOP? Just wondering.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah! No tradin’ paint with you snooty people.

  • Anonymous

    I think you must be posting from a script.  Is Media Matters contracting with China slave labor now?   Come on, open up, set yourself free (for a moment anyways).

  • Anonymous

     And I rest my case. Book learnin’ is for faggots, riiiiiggggght!

  • Anonymous

    Notice all the new trolls posts are eerily similar?  

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IZJ5434L4MAGZXPU3ZWMBUCVOQ Jakester

    Telling us again, but never asking, good work!
    But since you are so hot about anti-semites, especailly the black muslim variety, this classic white GOPher should amuse you.

    Republican Congressional Candidate Says ‘Holocaust Never Happened’
    http://oaklawn.patch.com/articles/republican-congressional-candidate-says-holocaust-never-happened#c

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IZJ5434L4MAGZXPU3ZWMBUCVOQ Jakester

    Is that the best you can do Chuck, smear me with false accusations and attribute positions to me that I dont believe in. You are part of the problem, not the solution, You are short on reason and integrity,

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IZJ5434L4MAGZXPU3ZWMBUCVOQ Jakester

    Don’t lean on my vintage Beemer, MOPAR knave!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IZJ5434L4MAGZXPU3ZWMBUCVOQ Jakester

    You do realize that you are proving krom’s point?

  • Anonymous

    How compassionate and tolerant of you. “Conservatives in general” are stupid, ignorance loving, and even your very own Taliban. Higher education? Seems more like common stereotyping and generalization. But then, maybe your post is supposed to be satire.

  • Verreauxii

    “Good luck, David, in believing in nothing,” Rios replied. “God loves you anyway.”

    Rios, God believes you are an annoying bitch.

  • Julia Burger

    I love the “snarky” comment!

  • Anonymous

    How about the Catholic Church apologizes for, just to stay on topic and keep it short,scaring children with the horror story of a character on a cross you get to eat at your First Communion?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_R5P7UI33A6V6LJJ2H7U4FWX4VE Swingnerd

    ahhh “addict” … something Fat Ed and Rush have in common. How is that old doper Limbaugh doing anyway?

  • Anonymous

    Wrong! Licking frosty is for faggots.

  • Anonymous

    There was a point? Ha!

  • Anonymous

    Sandy Rios is the epitome of “smarmy.”  

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the straw man argument.  Nice try to divert the conversation.

    Pure capitalism is as much a “utopia” as is pure socialism.  We live in what is commonly referred to by economists as a “mixed” economy.  It has elements of both socialism and capitalism without being either.

    Unlike political debates, religion truly does promise utopia, whether it is a Christian claiming you will meet all of your relatives and childhood pets when you die, or a Muslim who believes flying a plane into a building will net him 72 virgins.

    Forgive us skeptics and non-believers for not buying into any utopias, left or right, Christian or otherwise.

  • Anonymous

    Regardless of how adherents of Christianity or Islam behave, that does not change the fact that both are alternative ways of articulating unprovable, unfalsifiable claims about the universe.

    A person may be a “nicer” believer in fairly tales – but that person is still a believer in fairy tales.

  • Anonymous

    Let me get this straight:

    God supposedly creates humans with free will. The human then honestly uses his free will to come to the conclusion that no God exists. God then judges the very person he supposedly created for incorrectly using his free will that he gave him.

    Then what is the point of having free will if you can’t be incorrect?

  • Anonymous

    I love the “God loves you anyway” quip.  It has all the sensitivity of Mormons baptizing dead Jewish Holocaust survivors.

  • Centrist79

    I am just happy Catholic Church is still the richest in the world. I thought maybe we dropped to 2 or 3.

  • Libtard

    You’re right Sandy, we’re sorry. We’re sorry you rape kids and cover it up. We’re sorry you have the audacity and arrogance to speak on God’s behalf. We’re sorry for your intolerance, a result of your invented morality. We’re sorry you confused the attack on your cult as an attack on God. God knew we didn’t mean Her.

  • http://twitter.com/DangerousTalk Staks Rosch

    I demand that Sandy Rios apologize for mocking atheists!

  • Anonymous

    I don’t see what was inaccurate about the column.

  • Anonymous

     From what I gathered the article is poking fun at how Christians attack each other, such as claiming Mormons are not Christians, or Santorum saying protestants have departed Christianity. Catholicism claims to be the one true church doesn’t it, as well as a few other denominations. Heck, Mormons believe tat don’t they, since te prophet Joe Smith restored the gospel that man had messed up,

  • Anonymous

    Look at the snarky little christian bitch mouthing off at the end there. Would Jesus have been a snarky little bitch?

  • ScarredReality

    Right back at ya

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IZJ5434L4MAGZXPU3ZWMBUCVOQ Jakester

    Funny how he gets proved right.

  • ScarredReality

    What, a person can’t read articles and comments on the site without commenting? I was reading articles for months before I finally signed up to comment. By then, I definitely knew who people were.

  • Anonymous

    I loved how she singled out the Christian God, {not to be confused with trhe fake god those other religions worship} 
    I doubt people hate something they don’t believe in.
    The whole “believeing in nothing” thing always makes me laugh. Every human being has a belief system and something they believe in. Just because some diety isn’t included for some people doesn’t mean they believe in nothing. Kinda judgemental for her to say that isn’t it?

  • Clovis4

    Meek and mild Jesus, love me or burn in hell for eternity. Such a deal.

  • http://twitter.com/mangorevolution Derrick Anderson

    Hahaha the article was great and Dave made his points, like usual.  Poor christians.

  • Anonymous

    No one in politics now is promoting anything like a “socialist utopia” so your comment doesn’t really apply. 

    By the way, the “invisible hand” of the free market is as much of a fairy tale as anything else. It’s the application of social Darwinist views to politics, i.e. letting the strongest survive will result in the best system. Scientists (and many economists) dismissed that notion a long time ago, understanding that evolution does not mean best results nor does it result in the strongest surviving. Letting the strongest survive can often result in terrible conditions for all. 

    Yet wingnuts in the GOP believe that somewhere an magical fairy named the “Invisible Hand” would make everything work better if the government would just stop setting up rules for the game. It’s a simplistic view. 

  • Anonymous

    It’s a shame he’s not around anymore. I respected him even when I disagreed. Compare Hitchens to someone we’re stuck with still, like Dick Morris. 

  • Anonymous

    When we talk about market in marketing we’re alway’s making generalizations. Without such generalizations and assumptions, based I might add on empirical evidence, we’d have no such thing as marketing. Again, my point is proved by a conservative you have to talk to like a fifth grader.

  • Anonymous

    Stereotyping and generalizing about an entire swath of fellow Americans proves absolutely nothing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brent.slensker Brent Slensker

     The WHOLE “eating of flesh” ritual is VERY pagan and is recognized immediately by them…If you remember Kipling’s “The Man Who Would Be King” one of the British posers was partially eaten by the tribes-people they had fooled.

  • Anonymous

    Marketing, and stereotyping (maybe prejudice is more appropriate) a wide group of people, aren’t the same things. And I don’t see how your point is proven by having to talk to one conservative like a fifth grader.

  • Ben

    Nope.
    He did beat up some capitalists in a church once though….hehe..
    But a snarky little bitch he wasn’t.He was a cool dude,the original hippie.

  • http://www.facebook.com/paul.rainwater1 Paul Rainwater

    The problem is so many people believe in god and religion, they think their very life is at stake if they don’t believe, hence they get really upset if you criticize it. What we are dealing with is survival, and human beings are wired to survive at all costs. Personally I would like to go back to the good ole days before we invented god and religion and teach people that it’s OK to live in the question, instead of making up stories about everything we don’t understand. Albert Einstein, as smart as he was, studied his entire life time and concluded that we cannot know the mind of God, the infinite, invisible, eternal energy behind all existence.

  • BooBoo Bear

     What I find funny is The Thermodynamics of Heaven & Hell
    The temperature of Hell. Fire & Brimstone 835.5°F/446.4°C
    &
    The temperature of Heaven as defined in the Bible  977°F/525°C

    Wouldn’t you know–Heaven is hotter than hell. These figures were reached by the verses in the Bible. (OT & NT)

  • Anonymous

    I won’t teach you anything, so figure out the correlation on your own. Go educate yourself –which means reading and being curious of mind. Help stop the conservative war on intelligence.

  • Anonymous

    You have absolutely nothing of value to teach. And if you’re comfortable with such prejudices, I’d say you’re the one who is badly in need of a curious mind.

  • BooBoo Bear

     I wonder what she said when she heard that Pope John Paul II, said that the Muslim God was the same Jewish God was the same God as the Christian God.

    For Christians who would like to learn more about Jesus’ brothers…Read the Koran.

  • Tan

    She’s such a condescending cow that woman. I’m pretty certain she is the woman that criticized those Fox News reporters that were captured by Islamic extremists. She’s a disgrace. They were Christians and in order to get out alive they praised Allah and said whatever needed to be said to save their own lives. She said in response that no real Christian does that and that they should have been willing to die for their religion. Says her from the safety of her office!

    I’m pretty certain it’s her. She went on real time and was super condescending to maher as well, telling him she was superior and that he was ‘hungry’ and she was well fed. She’s pure evil.

  • Anonymous

    Yep, little too into the mystical junk, but he had some good messages.

  • http://twitter.com/12barbluz Lightnin’ James

    Rios has her head right up her butt.

  • corri anderson

    Religion is a human construct! See how clever she is?

  • corri anderson

    Good point. 

  • corri anderson
  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IL2YXLVJJRWIKHT4K7U63DM7MM Dave

    You can just FEEL the jealousy of all these “atheists” as they attack their imaginary enemies (gods). The Bible still stands as THE most amazing document in history, compiled over centuries, and full of life and love (something the atheists cannot come even close to duplicating) . . . meanwhile the atheists and agnostics have nothing but their own mouths and words, which will be forgotten in a few moments. They expend SO much energy for so little. Why waste your time attacking anyway?

  • Anonymous

    It is not pagan at all since the concept comes from Jesus himself.  Too many half wits talk about flesh eating with no true understanding. Even though Catholics and other Christian sects believe in the literal meaning of Jesus words, this does not mean they they think they are eating actual human flesh. Jesus gave his disciples bread and told them “this is my body”. He did not invite them to bite his arm. 

    Save us from retarded theologians criticizing what they clearly dont understand.

  • JustAsking2012

    I’m not “sticking up” for anyone’s faith… rather, I’m wondering why journalist are too cowardly to criticize Islam, the same way they criticize Christianity.

    You seem to have trouble following along. I’ll write slower.

  • JustAsking2012

    Hmm… interesting. So because there was sexual abuse in the Catholic church, all Christians are bad, and all must be blamed for the sins of a few. Interesting.

    I assume you believe this applies to all Muslims (the actions of some radical terrorists, can be attached to all Muslims), Liberals in the OWS protests (the violence from a few, represents all Liberals), and oh… let’s say Penn State (the sexual abuse from one coach, represents all of Penn State… Pennsylvania… and just to be equitable, all colleges, coaches, and athletes across the world).

    Yes… that seems very fair.

  • JustAsking2012

    Uh-oh. Looks like someone’s upset about my name. Bummer. Always focused on the important stuff, right “Jakester”… if that is your real name…!

    Did you read the article? That guy says he’s “Philosophically, I’m a National Socialist.” He’s running for the Republican NOMINATION, and won’t win it. He’s a loon… and there really are plenty of them, aren’t there?

    So what’s your point? You think this guy is representative of Republicans, simply because he’s trying to get a Republican nomination? I guess you feel the same about Democrats and Alvin Greene… right?

    Jakester, you’re trying hard, and that’s great. But you’re failing… and failing by a lot. Perhaps this game isn’t for you.

  • JustAsking2012

    Got it… you really hate people who disagree with you, but have no real reason why. You didn’t answer my question, rather you just started to ramble about something else irrelevant.

    But we all see where you’re coming from. You’re a left-wing guy, who hates people who disagree with you. You have no tolerance for a difference of opinions, and are only able to see “hateful righties,” while ignoring people from your own side. We’ve seen it all before… you’re a dime a dozen.

    But let me ask again… why is it that you “know” everyone so well. Have you been in a shadows, or is this just a new s/n for you?

  • JustAsking2012

    Indeed.

  • JustAsking2012

    Sure, I suppose you could. Although, I find it a little hard to believe. Why did it take you 6 months to start commenting? Why were you lurking on the sidelines, before jumping in?

    And if that’s the case for Jakester (which he didn’t even address), shouldn’t he be closer to correct in his statements? For everything the guy says he “knows,” he hasn’t gotten much right yet.

  • Anonymous

    Although as it is great exposing the obscurities of all religions so no
    one faith feels superior to another, the piece was obviously therapy for Doyle. Selfish therapy.

    Many go through a stage of animosity towards the religion they desert especially during the transition period from believers to non-believers.

    Some mature and move on realizing attacking others beliefs accomplishes nothing but hurt but others are too damaged to be able to move on and live and let live

  • Zigeunerweisen

    I’m not really moved by the criticism of Christianity these days. The Christian movement may have had its bad times, but the core message is quite rich. We’ve defeated Voltaire, Russell and inspired Tolstoy, Lewis and Bach. This hullabaloo will all end in the trash bin of history. You watch.

  • Anonymous

    Well stated dsgspm. I’m a former Catholic, and I went through such a period of animosity. It seems Mr. Doyle, as well as a fair number of posters here, perhaps have a certain animus towards religion, whether they were ever religious themselves or not. Either way, some appear to just want to be Bill Maher acolytes.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not a religious person, but as the old saying goes, “they doth protest too much”. After all, it is pretty easy pickings to trash religion, religious doctrine, and the flawed humans who seem to doom religious belief. But then, there remains the billions and billions of believers of every stripe who are peaceful, devout and well-meaning people.

  • Anonymous

    I can only speak for my own point of view, but for the most part, seeing as I’m an American who does not speak English and spends most of my time online on American or at least English-language websites, I am dealing with a Christian-majority culture.  Not just that, but a Christian culture whose adherents are increasingly obsessed with the notion that they’re being persecuted or oppressed, even as they chip away at the foundations of modern society as best they can (going after contraception, for example).  I don’t live in a Muslim-majority culture, let alone an Islamic culture (two different things BTW).  I do not live in a society where the casual assumption is that Mohammed was the last and greatest prophet of God, that the Qu’ran and the sunnah are the word of God, etc, and that going against that earns me quizzical looks and snickering at best and discrimination or hostility at worst.  If I lived in a Muslim society, I would be more acutely and constantly critical of Islam.  As it is, it remains a tiny minority culture here in America.  No one is passing any laws imposing Islamic culture on Americans.  Fundamentalist Christianity is seeping into our institutions, but Islam is not, not in any real way that I can see.

    As an atheist, I think the claims of Muslims – and Hindus, and Jews, and Sikhs and animists and Scientologists – are just as ill-founded as the claims of Christians.  But none of those other groups have any political power over me.

    I also think too many Christians credit their religion with the achievements and sensibilities of secular, Enlightenment thought.  “Go into a mosque and tell them their religion is a lie,” you say.  In an American mosque, the reaction would probably be the same as in an American church: boos, insults, calls to the police.  In a mosque in, say, Nigeria?  Probably the same as a church in Nigeria.  There’s a good chance the congregation might surround me and beat me to death.  That’s due to the influence of modern secular thought and the civil protections of an educated, industrialized society, not to any particularly Christian love, nor Muslim rage.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2BJB2HWESE7CPCUTZIOM6ZUDFM jon

     As to the book called the Bible, it is blasphemy to call it the Word of God. It is a book of lies and contradictions, and a history of bad times and bad men. There are but a few good characters in the whole book. The fable of Christ and his twelve apostles, which is a parody on the sun and the twelve signs of the zodiac, copied from the ancient religions of the eastern world, is the least hurtful part. Everything told of Christ has reference to the sun. His reported resurrection is at sunrise, and that on the first day of the week; that is, on the day anciently dedicated to the sun, and from thence called Sunday — in Latin Dies Solis, the day of the sun; as the next day, Monday, is Moon-day. But there is no room in a letter to explain these things.
    Thomas Paine

  • Anonymous

    Libtard…hmmm, perfect choice for a nick.

  • Anonymous

    In marketing it’s a detailed research tool called VALs for Values and Lifestyles. It considers an audience demographic and psychographic characteristics. Is it a generalization to say that the CORE nasacr fan, lives in southern or rural states? Is it safe to say most have high school dpilomas and some college? Is it correct to say they are heavily evangelical? Is it safe to say they are conservatives and heavy on social issues. Those are all generalization — not necessarily streoptypes. And those generalizations are based on reems of MARKET research.

  • Anonymous

    You just did attack atheists, oh so very biblical of you. Didn´t know that the Bible consists of more than words. Good for you, you have more than your own mouth and words.

    There´s no jealousy involved. How would be jealous about the idea you are born as a sinner? That´s a pretty unhealthy attitude.

  • Charlton Heston’s Ghost

    Why do you classify anyone with a different opinion / perspective as a “right wingnut”?  For the record, I’m an Independent that voted for Clinton in ’96 and almost voted Obama.

    And I’m not comparing any religion to Islam and cutting off heads.  That’s called a strawman argument but if you want to, by all means, go ahead.

  • http://twitter.com/andybud_o Andybud

    She’s right. Islam changes no lives.  No one ever gives their life in the service of Islam.

    *kaboom!*

    (P.S. Dying for your religious myth is stupid, no matter which myth it happens to be.)

  • Charlton Heston’s Ghost

    I don’t despise the Islamic faith.  I do, however, despise blatant hypocrisy when it comes to mocking one religion, while protecting another just because it’s the PC thing to do…

  • Charlton Heston’s Ghost


    “Go into a mosque and tell them their religion is a lie,” you say.  In an American mosque, the reaction would probably be the same as in an American church: boos, insults, calls to the police.  In a mosque in, say, Nigeria?  Probably the same as a church in Nigeria.  There’s a good chance the congregation might surround me and beat me to death.”

    I understand where you’re going but respectively disagree.  Ask Matt and Trey from South Park.  They mock Jesus all of the time and only deal with minor complaints.  Mock Muhammad and they, along with Comedy Central, wish minor complaints were a worst case scenario.

    In regards to a hypothetical Nigerian church beating a dissenter to death, if their holy text preached that reaction and it actually happens in the real world with some frequency, you would have a legit point.  Until then, not so much…

  • Libtard

    Thanks. Always nice to have another fan. Your choice of using the word “perfect” was well thought out.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U7T5LVIQK7AMIBM5WI765VDVDQ smald4lib

    Jesus was a profit and had no church affiliation. That was left up to his disciples, and other charlatans through the centuries to create for who’s benefit we have to question at times. There were many profits and many verses left out of the bible, condensing it to what it is today. So, if I read the bible and live my life by the teaching of the bible then I’m in good standing with my father. But if I join a cult of worshipers who believe their cult is the only cult then I’m breaking my vows to the holy father. Cults are for week minded people who live in like minded communities judging others and acting intolerant because they can’t win everyone over who sees through them. So they become authoritarian, as we see now in the Republican party.

  • Anonymous

    well my apologies then, I had just read so much of that BS on here, I assumed that’s where you were coming from. 

    I read the text you were quoting and thought you had written it and began my attack! LOL

    “”Go into a mosque and tell them their religion is a lie,” you say.  In an American mosque, the reaction would probably be the same as in an American church: boos, insults, calls to the police.  In a mosque in, say, Nigeria?  Probably the same as a church in Nigeria.  There’s a good chance the congregation might surround me and beat me to death.”"

  • Charlton Heston’s Ghost

    : group hug :

    :D

  • Anonymous

    Fascinating. From all that you can conclude that virtually half the country are “dummies”, “revel in their ignorance” and are comparable to the Taliban. I sure as hell hope you were joking, otherwise you’re nothing but a contemptable, if somewhat educated, bigot. 

  • Anonymous

    Exactly right. I was confirmed as a “soldier of god” in the Catholic church and had my first Communion as a very young boy. And even at age seven or eight I could grasp the meaning of a metaphor—the body of Christ represented as a wafer of bread, the blood of Christ represented by wine. “Retarded theologians”, indeed.

  • http://spacegod.tumblr.com/ spacegod

    I loved Doyle’s article.It’s funny because it’s TRUE.
    Incredibly blunt and brash–but basically true.

    And satire IS amusing–except to those that are being satirized.

    I find it odd when believers get so outraged at seeing God
    “insulted” and feel the burning need to defend God. 
    The omnipotent, all-powerful God. That’s like jumping into
    the ring to defend Ali because Frazier’s trying to hit him.

    A knee-jerk defense just serves to demonstrate how weak and
    fragile is the believer’s faith. They’re so afraid of realizing what
    they already know (that adhering to this belief system is NOT
    necessary for this life or life-after-death) that they fight for survival 
    when their mental crutches are seemingly threatened.

    Believers often forget they’re still using training wheels and crutches
    that could have been thrown away years ago. But now it’s almost impossible
    to let go. And many even start denying they use training wheels and crutches,
    swearing they were born with them.

  • http://spacegod.tumblr.com/ spacegod

    NOTE TO BELIEVERS:

    If you can believe anything you want in public, I can make fun of anything I want in public.

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