Too little too late. Primary him.

The
Speaker’s dilemma … How to answer our petulant little man-child’s
petty rambling, finger pointing, self aggrandizing Bullshit.

Instead of defending the few working stiffs thats left,Obama should be doing more to help us and increase our numbers.

There he goes again, class warfare, thats all he knows, blame it on someone else, he is so mad because he didnt get his way, he must have talked about the jets four times, quit lying obama, tell the truth about how you gave money to the jets in your stimulus, you should’t have done that, what about your own democrats who are using this as yourself for political reasons, really looked bad for our president to come out looking like a spoiled crybaby, and then to summon them back in the morning, this is America not the banana republic, just imagine if President Bush had done this, everyone here and the press and media would have gone ballistic and would have been shouting qustions at Bush, how different his press treats him. Grow up obama

House Republicans have the debt ceiling bomb strapped on and they’re willing to take collateral damage to prove their point. 

The Tea Party Republicans in the house have put Boehner in a no win position. The only way he keeps his job is if he can get only what Tea Party House members want. Anything different he will be considered by them as giving in to the President.

 It’ll be fun to watch the American people decide how fair the two sides have been.
The facts will speak for themselves.

House Tea Party Republicans have the debt ceiling bomb strapped on and they’re willing to take collateral damage to prove their point.

I used to belong to the Republican party, but they’re just not a serious political operation any more. You have to believe the impossible and vote for the unthinkable. 

Wait, is Obama still a Muslim, sleeper terrorist with plans on destroying America?
Or is he now just a Democrat whose policies you disagree with?

I’m trying to figure out which narrative to follow.

You sound like Rush (King of the Rednecks) Limbaugh.  Its Boener who spouts tears like a little girlie-boy.

The ‘Real Facts’….will NEVER be seen by the American People…….simply the smoke that both sides will blow!

I love it when the man I voted for shows up!  More please!

Republicans are more interested in buying 350 dollar bottles of wine (Rep. Paul Ryan) than helping the working class.

Republicans hate Evolution, but they love social Darwinism.

Republicans not serious?  Who passed a budget?  Who passed a debt ceiling bill?  Whose budget director said, when asked if he could score Obama’s plan said ” I don’t score speeches”. Even his own chosen people know he has no plan.

 I don’t want to eat the freaking peas he wants me to eat (I actually like peas, just not his).

He needs to stop being “present” and put his plan on the table and IN WRITING!  he does not know how to LEAD.  God, November can not come soon enough!

The anti-tax Taliban ( House Tea Party) is ok with US catching on fire so they can say their fire extinguisher is better. It’s not.

Now what would the Harvard elitist know about “working stiffs”? Answer: Nothing.

I’d rather sound correct than horridly petulant, rambling, and self aggrandizing.

Very interesting that when Boehner spoke, he went quite quickly to “Americans I speak to when back in my district,” and then spoke ONLY about business.

When will the Republic Party take the side of individual Americans? Why does the Republic party love corporatism and hate individualism?

Why is the Republic Party endorsing a capitalized form of . . . COMMUNISM?????

Talk to Sen John Kerry (D) about his $7,000,000 yacht.

Well, it’s official. The entire US government – Congress and the White House – is just like junior high school.

I would love to go back through history and look at every president’s briefings and see how many other presidents have referred to the middle class as “working stiffs”. My guess is the number would be zero. What an arrogant ass comment.

Obama is a stupid, lazy, incompetent, petulant little man-child

Well….just throw it all into the ‘Muslim, sleeper cell terrorist, Christian-Chiristian hate Christian church attending, late showing Birth Certificate because he liked the bs, White-hatered, Black-Hatred-do nothing for Blacks, not willing to bend-while bending, liar-to-all liars in Congress, etc’ Narrative to destoy America while everyone else is attempting to rebuild America(Sike)…….that way, it all can be followed at one time….that is, if its possible to follow that??!!!!

Well….just throw it all into the ‘Muslim, sleeper cell terrorist, Christian-Chiristian hate Christian church attending, late showing Birth Certificate because he liked the bs, White-hatered, Black-Hatred-do nothing for Blacks, not willing to bend-while bending, liar-to-all liars in Congress, etc’ Narrative to destoy America while everyone else is attempting to rebuild America(Sike)…….that way, it all can be followed at one time….that is, if its possible to follow that??!!!!

If Obama ever saw a working stiff, it was inside a Chicago brothel.

If Obama ever saw a working stiff, it was inside a Chicago brothel.

Why don’t you just call him Boy.

You know you want to.

Why don’t you just call him Boy.

You know you want to.

Forget the GOPers.  Use the 14th Amendment and do whatever you feel like.  Make them spend years in court fighting you.  It is the only way to deal with them.

Forget the GOPers.  Use the 14th Amendment and do whatever you feel like.  Make them spend years in court fighting you.  It is the only way to deal with them.

Great job of fixating on a turn of phrase and missing the susbtance, dummy.

Great job of fixating on a turn of phrase and missing the susbtance, dummy.

Republicans suck!

Republicans suck!

AAAAHHHH, the voice of experience on brothels!

AAAAHHHH, the voice of experience on brothels!

Obama says one thing and than goes out and charges $38,000 to sing Happy Birthday to him.. WHat do you think he will say to them as they fly in on their private jets?…. Do you think hell say. “You people should pay more taxes and give up your outlandish possessions”?….. Or more likely ” Dont worry about what i say to the American people, they”ll believe what i tell them to believe. “I’ll make sure i take care of you”…………The latter i’m sure

Obama says one thing and than goes out and charges $38,000 to sing Happy Birthday to him.. WHat do you think he will say to them as they fly in on their private jets?…. Do you think hell say. “You people should pay more taxes and give up your outlandish possessions”?….. Or more likely ” Dont worry about what i say to the American people, they”ll believe what i tell them to believe. “I’ll make sure i take care of you”…………The latter i’m sure

The “Harvard elitist” who literally came from NO money.. His family had nothing.. He had no money in elementary school.. no money high school, no money in college.. he’s  worked his whole life for everything he’s got.. When you have NO family money as a backup plan I think he’s qualified to know what a “working stiff’ is at the very least..

The “Harvard elitist” who literally came from NO money.. His family had nothing.. He had no money in elementary school.. no money high school, no money in college.. he’s  worked his whole life for everything he’s got.. When you have NO family money as a backup plan I think he’s qualified to know what a “working stiff’ is at the very least..

What budget?  It had no details.  Silly!

What budget?  It had no details.  Silly!

“Obama seemed passionate”
President Obama needs to be more passionate. He needs to stand up to the troglodyte teabaggers.
Obama needs to get medieval if necessary.

“Obama seemed passionate”
President Obama needs to be more passionate. He needs to stand up to the troglodyte teabaggers.
Obama needs to get medieval if necessary.

More con “class warfare”!

More con “class warfare”!

Like standing up to GOPers who eliminate government jobs and lower government wages and benefits?

I know I already did the Dwayne Johnson voice in the other thread but Man! I want to do it again.

Oh I know….HuffPo.    

Really. You think average folks are offended by that and don’t consider themselves to be working stiffs?

I knew exactly what he meant and I think other working stiffs will too.

 That he wanted to evades taxes on…

At this point he knows this speech by heart. He might even be able to give it without the teleprompters. He says the same thing every single time he preaches about this. He throws out all his poll tested buzz words like a pro.

Why would I want to do that?

Obama is a sock puppet of the marxists. And not a very good one at that. I’m glad that the Republicans are calling his bluff. I’m really tired of the excrement coming out of this presidents mouth, he’s a slick talker, but says nothing, and I think it’s the first time in his life that people are calling him out for the asshole that he is.

 I’d go with the first one…….and the second one…

We will leave that to lib racists such as yourself.

Obama warned Cantor he would take his case the American people and he did.

GOP got bitch-slapped and they will rue this day.

RUE, I SAY!!

THERE WILL BE RUEING!!!!

wink wink right?

Ok,…..he’s a boy.  Happy?

Paul Ryan paid for his own wine unlike Nasty Nan Pelosi.

Don’t wink at me weirdo. I like women

Why exactly is it class warfare to propose that those who’ve benefited the most from the lowest tax rates in half a century help their country out through difficult times? Obama didn’t start two obscenely expensive wars and didn’t hand out tax breaks to those who needed them the least. This was W’s doing, not Obama’s. He’s acted responsibly in trying to clean up the mess and for him to be called a class warrior is factual nonsense and downright deranged.

Uh huh, sure you did.

LOL

Eliminate govt. jobs???

It was reported yesterday that a govt. worker was much more likely to lose his job due to death than due to being fired or laid-off.

I guess your talking point has expired and you didn’t know it, union boy!

Lol I love how your name went from AmericaScuks to GOOD GOD AmericaSucks… lulz

Enough of these petulant teabagger schoolchildren. Let the adults solve this.

In other words- you are waiting for another NBC/MSNBC poll to determine which position to take.

That should be one of the first things we do. Eliminate government jobs, lower their pay and get rid of the platinum benefits. Government is bloated.

Pres. Obama’s supposed budget plan was so vague, the CBO said they couldn’t score it because they don’t score speeches.  The President has done NOTHING to present anything tangible, the same no-leadership strategy he used on healthcare to pass the blame to democrats in congress.   Now he’s going to complain about the ONE branch that actually submitted and passed a budget.   I’m sure the media will pretend it’s all Boehner’s fault.  Problem is the senate still hasn’t passed a budget.  

He still is excellent at speeches. Leadership and executing, still none.  Democratics will still love him, indepdents gave up.  He would be able it doesn’t work when unemployemnt is high and spending is out of control.  

Just do a google search,plenty of democrats are millionaires. But liberals like to pretend the republicans are the rich ones.

nice poster name.  it fits.  blessings!

What you said is a tautology.

You are proof that Darwin was correct.

sure you do…

That is a lib convention and invention.

Try again

Republicans passed a bi-partisan bill. What have the Democrats done? Oh yeah, nothing. Exactlty what part don’t you like of the bill that was passed? You don’t want to cut government spending? You don’t want to cap the amount it can spend? You don’t want it to have a balanced budget?

I see your name and so do you- big time, you POS.

This sounds like the NFL lockout…GOD i miss football….will somebody please sign something so we sheepish americans can get on with our obese lives!!!!

Fact: Bush’s fault. Obama is over his head and will
only be known best for being a community organizer.

No-that would be Barry’s friend In Hawaii!

Impeach this incompetent Marxist scumbag before he does any more damage.

LOL

Yeah, let’s bastardize the Constitution because Barry can’t stop spending other peoples’ money.

President doesn’t have a plan.The Senate hasn’t pass a budget  in 27- 28 months,no plan there.Yea i guess it must be Bush and that evil tea parties fault.

The republicans only have a majority in the house. Passing a bill in the house doesn’t accomplish anything when they know it cannot get through the senate. So there Paul Ryan Budget which called for a complete overhaul of medicare, doesn’t mean anything. The Cut, gap, and pap bill means nothing, because a bill passing in the house doesn’t mean anything. They keep saying we passed a bill, but that is easy to do when you have a majority. You did not however get a bill passed in both houses and present it to the president. The tea baggers are simply unaware of how laws and legisdlation is done. You cannot get everything that you want when you only control one house. They have to learn how to govern, not just speak off the top of their heads.

You are talking about that bitter child who wants more money to spend because he has spent it all?

Fact: I still would rather not add to debt ceiling at any account but if spending cuts well out size the extra debt then little is better than none. Tea Party is correct on this issue and in 2012 we can return to sanity.

Your messiah is trying … with all his petulant little man-child petty rambling, finger pointing, self aggrandizing Bullshit.  It isn’t working

He’s a baby…an illegitimate one at that!!!

Where is his detailed plan? ohh thats right, all he does is blame the GOP for his failures!!

republicans are like that smelly homeless guy checking all the coin returns on the phone booths.  

it’s when money is on the line that you see the real heart of a republican.  this jingoistic fantasy fighter would put his/her wallet before any love of country.  it was the same thing when they promised to never forget 9/11 responders until it came to dishing out money for health care.  pathetic.

i’m gonna feel bad when boehner has to give up his gavel next year.

That was the longest post ever to say what could have been said in one sentence.

President Sharpton’s demagoguery has gotten very old .

He get letters from ” folks “   .   Sure he does .

CORPORATE  JETS !

OIL AND GAS SUBSIDIES !

MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES !

WHAT  A DISGRACE THIS RABBLE ROUSER IS TO AMERICA .

Oh, is this a “fact” you learned from FoxNews? Or Michele Bachmann? The same people who gave us the phony price tag on his trip to India? 

 Thank you e83talus but as much as you try and explain things to these people the refuse to understand

The bill passed with bi-partisan support. The lowly Democrats wouldn’t even allow a debate on it. They could have changed some things and sent it back, but as usual they didn’t do jack crap.

“Dealing with the White House is like dealing with Jell-O.” quote from Boehner. Says that basically he was about to or did accept the Presidents plan and the President changed the plan and asked for more money. Not the first time we have heard this from the WH. President wants the talks to fail or have everything his way. Never any intention of compromise.

Must have been a different broadcast, I saw a man with NO PLAN exit stage right with his tail between his legs like a whipped dog.  That’s what happens when you move the goalposts. 

The fact that this country is 11 days away from default, with no resolution in sight, is proof that the President AND Congress lack the ability to lead. They are all a bunch of partisan fools.

bla bla bla you have no idea what a marxist is you goof

The wingnuts can spin it any way they want. Agent Orange voted four times to raise the debt ceiling under Bush without any restrictions. Spare me the argument Obama voted against it. He now says the vote was wrong. I am waiting for Agent Orange to say he regrets raising the ceiling four times under Bush. 

Fact:

The insertion of one man’s sack into another person’s mouth. Used a practical joke or prank, when performed on someone who is asleep, or as a sexual act is the act of a democrat and they aren’t very adult. So I agree let the republicans correct it before the idiots tax us out of all the jobs left.

Please do. Two things to keep in mind though, he would probably be impeached and if he can do it then every other President after him can do it. At that point we have no checks or balances and the sky is the limit on the amount of debt we can amass.

 Obama and his team of academic Marxists are beginning to make Jimmy Carter look competent.

And how many times did Agent Orange vote to increase the debt ceiling without any restrictions under Bush?

And those ‘jobs’ he worked at would be what???

Seriously, Obama needs to simply rely on the 14th Amendment. Congress approved of the spending, now they want to welsh on it.

Try this young man.. Type in Google… when you get to that page type in Obama Birthday Party..See all those things that come up. They are links. Click anyone.. CBS, MSNBC, FOX. LATimes. Wall Street Journal.. THose things are words. Read them if your able to….. Now go back and whine to someone else

I could care less what a teabagger saw.
The American people will decide who was willing to rise above politics and who shrank from that responsibility.

they already did that

and they keep doing that

Mark Haperin and Joe Wilson were both right.

Yea, What are those working stiff jobs he had?  Heck any job will do besides working for the goverment

Barry’s debt cost $4.1 billion a DAY!

Just dying to play that worn out race card aren’t you….

Compared to Bush’s of $1.6 per day.

Poor Barry- he looked so immature, trite, and contumacious. No good for a president.

Who cares? The quantity of times makes no difference. It is the AMOUNT of the raise that matters. The Democrats including Obama voted NO on raising the debt ceiling under Bush. I am happy to post all their dire predictions if we raised the debt ceiling then. Amazing how they forget that now.

For what?  Your response is not reasoned.  As for every other POTUS able to do it, well W set the precedent on that one!

Then remove Barry.

If it is so easy why didn’t the Democrats even come up with a budget in the weeks before the election when they still had a majority? The bill the Republicans passed was not only passed but it was by-partisan.

…can we just enjoy Obama for a moment? Before the policy choices have to
be weighed and the hard decisions have to be made, can we just take a
month or two to contemplate him the way we might contemplate a painting
by Vermeer or a guitar lick by the early-seventies Rolling Stones or a
Peyton Manning pass or any other astounding, ecstatic human achievement?
Because twenty years from now, we’re going to look back on this time as
a glorious idyll in American politics, with a confident, intelligent,
fascinating president riding the surge of his prodigious talents from
triumph to triumph. Whatever happens this fall or next, the summer of
2011 is the summer of Obama. Read more: http://www.esquire.com/features/thousand-words-on-culture/loving-obama-0811#ixzz1SslqoNQ1
 
Yeah, who doesn’t love the Messiah?

If you do not understand the 14th Amendment, that is your shortcoming!

I see, and George Bush was? ROTFLMFAO

No, that would be you.  Run away, run away.

Hey, 2012freedom, he didn’t leave the Republican party, the party left him. The Republican party is now an *official* Tea Bagger nut case emporium literally *hemorrhaging* rational conservatives and people who aren’t delusional.

But your screen name says it all. In 2012 we *will* have freedom. Freedom from the right-wing jackal Republicans who are letting the American people get raped by millionaires and billionaires and the crooked corporations and special interests. And I would say you’re taking a reaming yourself, 2012freedom. Unlike you, some of us want justice in our society. Some of us want at least a chance to have some security.

Ooooohhh I like that ‘name calling’ thing you do. I guess maybe that fecal impaction is still bothering you.

BHO, better known as the man with NO Plan is the one that “shrank from that responsibility” as you put it. He has perfected the art of leading from the rear.

McClanahan?    Oh hell No!

Well…don’t worry because every single person who liked Bush has apparently dropped off the face of the Earth.

It’s like Creed. Nobody will say they liked them. Yet somehow they sold over 30 million albums or so worldwide.

And you sound kinda like a little girl. Are you?

Obummer: Americans are ready for politicians to put politics aside and get stuff done. Yea like for you to just quit spending money you do not have. Read my lips no more taxes. We all know not give drug addict more of what they are addicted. The Obummer administration just wants to keep on spending as usual. Money that is not theirs and driving this country into an abyss of tremendous debt. What an idiot we have as Potus. You cannot continue to tax the very few who are are working or creating jobs. SOCIALISM never never has worked.

Oh, well, as long as he says it was a mistake and all…he voted against it in 2006 and couldn’t bother to show up for a vote in 2007 and 2008.

Yes, coming from you, your response is no surprise because you do not know what the word hypocrite is. I assure you, the American people know and they can remember who they blamed the last time the Federal government shuts down. You are talking a calamity and all the tea baggers are on the record saying there it will not be a big deal. Watch and learn, tool.

He was none of what I said- but Barry is!

Ouch!

Bi Partisan support?!  Man that makes me laugh out loud!!

Ron PAul and Michelle Bachman voted against it.  More republicans voted against it than  Dems for it. Is that you definition of bipartisan?

His post was random gibberish.

I’m not going to argue with a teabagger on the internet.  Complete waste of time.
My point is the American people are ultimately going to make the call who acted in good faith and was willing to compromise and who wasn’t.

I can understand how that proposition frightens the American Tealiban.

Better to be the teabagger than the teaBAGGIE. Anyone for some hairy man sacks on their chin? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Says a confirmed racist and race-baiter.

Are you defending the GOP political posturing by pointing out that the Dems did it back then? No Problem.  Obama said he was game for McConnell’s plan. Get out of the way, cover their asses, and let him raise it.

You should- because you suck, too!

LOL

The right is so disinterested in governing that they are willing to huddle comfortably and tell fairytales of magical Laffer Curves, willing to launch attacks with twelve sided die on a dragon they call demand and convinced that all outsiders are sickened by their disbelief in similar mystery. They lack proper orientation to operate in a world of form and function… Happy in the shared fantasy that they are the heroes of history.

Oh okay, so as long as someone else does something it is okay to continue to do it? Good reasoning there.

Who employs individual Americans?

DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Boehner has no balls. He has allowed the teabaggers to hijack his party. I’m surprised he didn’t start weeping during his non-response. He and his party will pay the price. At this point, the only adult in the room, Mr. Obama, should simply raise the debt ceiling through 2012, then when the Dems regain control of the House and retain the Senate in November 2012, just pass their own debt reduction plan. There is no dealing with children who don’t have the country’s best interest at heart.

I wonder why Obama hasn’t blamed the collapse of talks on George Bush, the way he has blamed everything else on Bush. I guess even he got sick of that lie.

He was sailing instructor at Kennebunkport at one of his families many vacation homes..

Nope- he even got arrested- I bet you would like to be his cell mate!

You’ve got that name calling thing down pat don’t you. Sure makes you look ‘smart’. LOL

About making that call … The American people recently did just that (think House losses by Dims) they (the American people) will be doing it again in the near future.

BOHICA Libs BOHICA

No I do- you don’t and you showed it.

Try again.

Fact: Kool-aid

*Very* nice :-)

And how many times did the Republicans under Bush submit a balanced budget?

Everyone rues January 20, 2009!

Another lib racist arrives.

Because the republicans filibustered every bill they did not like, including other budgets. Remember when the unemployment checks stopped last April till June. It was because the minority kept filibustering, which is simply continuously debating it so it never comes up for a vote. It was not because they never had a plan. They wanted the same spedning levels that existed in 2009. That was the bill they proposed, but never got to vote on.

Amy miller sucks

Fact: I’d love to end up like the people in Greece thanks to idiots like you! You are a mooch.

Some of us want at least a chance to have some security”

Yeah, and Barry’s record deficits and debt sure provide that.

What YOU want is someone else’s money- hey , get a job.

So….that guy Barry. He’s cracking up, right? Right in front of our very eyes. Wow. That was one of the saddest spectacles I’ve ever seen. Even the Dems in the room were left breathless by his petulance.

Between his Op-Ed in USA Today this morning and this…what shall you call it….temper tantrum of Biblical proportions, I think today is the day that we can officially put the final nail in the coffin that is Affirmative Action.

Actually, I think Americans are fed up with you Mr. Obama.

“i’m gonna feel bad when boehner has to give up his gavel next year.”

Bwahahahaha  Thanks I needed a good laugh!

Obama friend arrested in Hawaii
By: CNN Political Unit(CNN) – A friend of President Barack Obama was arrested Monday for allegedly soliciting sex from an undercover officer posing as a prostitute, according to CNN affiliate Hawaii News Now.Robert Richard Titcomb, 49, was arrested with three other men Monday night and released later that evening after posting $500 bail. He is scheduled to appear at the Honolulu District Court May 2.

I don’t see the dems putting a plan on paper. This country is going the way of Greece under this President.

Fact: The leader is to blame and the one who isn’t leading with any plan himself is Obama.

Republicans passed a bi-partisan bill. Democrats haven’t done jack shit. As a matter of fact, they wouldn’t even allow it to go to debate.

You jugheads seemed to miss the point.  I didn’t say jobs he worked, which i wont google because I don’t care… I said growing up in a lower middle class family, and once leaving Harvard moving back into lower middle class housing until making his OWN money I believe makes him qualifies to know about “working stiffs”. Rich people grow up around rich people… poor people grow up around poor people.. get it… and obama by no means grew up rich..thats all i was saying…

Bi-partisan = both parties. What was confusing about that for you?

How DARE a coequal branch of government not agree with the administration – OUTRAGE!!!     Seems a bit childish how he acts when he doesn’t get his way huh?  

” then when the Dems regain control of the House and retain the Senate in November 2012″

Thanks … I needed a good laugh! Bwahahahahaha

Sure. Let him go for it. I can’t wait for the fireworks.

You mean like “Don’t retreat, reload”?

You mean like “Don’t retreat, reload”?

Fact: Terrorist attack a democrat uses the old duck
and cover. Economy needs to be worked the democrat uses the old duck and cover.
Issue after issue the democrat always plays possum.

“Obama Takes On GOP; Angrily Defends ‘Working Stiffs’ Who Struggle Everyday”

This coming from a guy who is the head of a party that ran unopposed for two years and did nothing, effectively making the economy worse. A guy who increased spending, grew our national debt and printed money on such a ridiculous and stupid scale causing the dollar to fall 11% in value. Which added even a greater burden to the unemployed and underemployed in the form of inflation. ( which is 3.6% btw)

Obama, you useless, lying, incompetent fool. You may have the gullibly hubris animal known as “liberal” fooled, but not the rest of us free minds.

By the way, Obama. For a politician, your lying abilities is subpar at best. But that is just one of many things you fail at.

Sure and Obama has the detonator and he is willing to take the whole country with it.

I loved how he summoned the children back to school on a Saturday and insist they come up with a solution – where’s his?

Sorry, but I am not a mooch. I have never taken one dime from the government. The problem is you can not understand the calamity this country is facing if the debt ceiling is not raised. It is going to be real fun to watch the tea bag Congressmen and women who said there will be no problem explain themselves to the American people. Good luck.

It’s actually Bush’s record deficits and debt, not Obama’s. I’ve had MUCH more security with Obama as president rather than Bush. And no, economic security and better markets are NOT the same as wanting someone else’s money. 

I see and of course those votes were highly contested. Epic fail.

There there Mr. President… dont’ let them get to you… perhaps you need some Voldimort’s hugs to console you….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZW_dwd_WJY

Yes, the last impeachment trial went so well, didn’t it. You seem to have a very poor memory. Typical for a bagger.

Well, there will be a lot of openings in D.C. after the Republicans are tossed out on their sorry @sses in 2012. Maybe I can find a job there as a staffer for a Progressive legislator? There will be *several* new ones.

Of course, thanks to 0bomber’s malfeasance in office, fewer and fewer stiffs are ACTUALLY WORKING.

-0bama  – “Kind of a Dick”-

there there Mr. President… dont let them get to ya… perhaps you need some Voldimort Hugs to console you?

Try again, son. Barry’s $1.6 trillion deficit is a RECORD.

The $14.4 trillion debt is a RECORD!!!

Barry has added $3.9 trillion to the debt in 2.5 years that’s $1.56 trillion  /year.

Bush added $5 trillion in 8 years= $625 billion a year

Try again, son. Barry’s $1.6 trillion deficit is a RECORD.

The $14.4 trillion debt is a RECORD!!!

Barry has added $3.9 trillion to the debt in 2.5 years that’s $1.56 trillion  /year.

Bush added $5 trillion in 8 years= $625 billion a year

Yep.  Obama knows the working stiff.  He was one, his wife was one and they both come from a family full of working stiffs. 

Hey, Libs,

Obama is following Soros’ orders and this was all planned as part of the New World Order to try and place all of us on an even keel to become more like a third-world order!

That’s why he and the DEMs have spent soooo very much and now want higher taxes! They just were not expecting nor prepared for the election results last November!

But, now, they are hell-bent on continuing their goal to bring America down!

We are on to ya and ain’t gonna let it happen!

A budget that would destroy the working class and benefit only the rich. You sheep, it’s clear to see which party works for lobbyists by taking away programs and tax breaks that help the middle class while not taxing an extra cent on millionaires and billionaires. 

Obama and Boehner DID make a bi-partisan plan which the radicals in congress quickly dismissed. The congressmen that YOU elected are acting like kids fighting over a toy, and Obama acting like the dad saying to share. The scary thing is that we, the people, entrusted these kids to pass new laws…

You’re correct, we can’t wait for November to come.

A budget that would destroy the working class and benefit only the rich. You sheep, it’s clear to see which party works for lobbyists by taking away programs and tax breaks that help the middle class while not taxing an extra cent on millionaires and billionaires. 

Obama and Boehner DID make a bi-partisan plan which the radicals in congress quickly dismissed. The congressmen that YOU elected are acting like kids fighting over a toy, and Obama acting like the dad saying to share. The scary thing is that we, the people, entrusted these kids to pass new laws…

You’re correct, we can’t wait for November to come.

Oh okay. LOL

Good.

Is there a relevance to now?

Why exactly is it “class warfare” to point out that those who benefited the most from thirty years of tax relief and who are enjoying the lowest tax rates in decades should also contribute to bridging the debt? If you have a party that’s pathologically (and dangerously) committed to protecting the tax breaks of millionaires and billionaires, that deserves to be called out by the president. That’s not being a “crybaby.” To the contrary, that’s being an actual adult.

Why do you keep calling him man-child? What does that mean? I’ve never heard anyone called that before… it’s a strange insult.

Why do you keep calling him man-child? What does that mean? I’ve never heard anyone called that before… it’s a strange insult.

Esther is right, the Jet Loophole that Obama demonizes so much was part of his own stimulus package..  Go Figure,   He trys so hard to come across as the only adult in the room, when he is anything but.

damn thats funny

Working stiffs will need to struggle even more….

to pay for mandated health insurance

to find another way of living in retirement after Social Security goes broke

to find another way of paying for healthcare in retirement after Medicare goes broke

to find a way to make a living after Obama has destroyed the private sector job base in the country

to pay back the $14 trillion the government has borrowed and spent — leaving taxpayers on the hook to the tune of $100,000 for every worker in the workforce.

As I said earlier, most Americans know what a hypocrite is. But more importantly, every tea bagger in Congress has stated it will not be a big deal if the debt ceiling is not raised. They are about to get an education and every education has a price.

Deficit Spending : shouldnt that be all you have to know to understand. It’s self explanatory. These. Libturds think we have endless supply of cash. Yeah just keep on printing and printing until 1000 dollars won’t even buy a pack of gum.

Quick quiz: 
Who gives businesses money? Do businesses rely more on tax breaks or consumers to make money? Even after the bailouts, did business still fire people when corporate executives got bonuses? Who has the vast majority of American money yet represents only 2% of the population? 

Do you really, truly believe that we DON’T need to raise taxes on these people? If you really do, I’m not exactly sure how to help you… 

susbtance?? Yeah I guess since that’s not a word I probably missed it. Your name along with your ideological theories are so repulsive you really don’t even deserve my time for a reply. But if you read the HEADLINE of the story, I think “working stiffs” is well within the substance of this debate.

gee what a stance – you realize the democrats could have done it all without 1 vote being required of the republicans.  They didn’t want to – because they knew they’d all be booted out on their asses so instead they did NOTHING!

“average folks” = fine, “american working middle class” = fine, “working stiffs” = arrogance

I left the GOP because it no longer shared my values. It used to be the party of fiscal responsibility and sound foreign policy. It’s hard to look at the Bush-Cheney years of reckless spending, magical tax cuts and badly mismanaged wars and see any of the old party still alive and kicking. 

And the current crop of contenders – Bachmann, Pawlenty, Santorum, Perry, Gingrich, Palin — are doubling down on all the worst parts of W’s legacy. These people personify everything about the GOP that I came to loathe. 

I thought you claimed to be bright, so why the silly “talking points” that make no sense, don’t mean anything and you know is a bunch of b.s.?  

You wanted to be like Obama? lol

Haha Stonepark3. There wasn’t ONE spending bill that Bush vetoed. Every bill put forward that would add money to the debt he signed. Many of these bills had annual reoccurring costs which add money to our debt and deficit at an exponential rate, since he passed them without considering the budget. If anything, Obama’s been saving money on small things, yet it makes little difference since big items (like the military, healthcare, entitlement) are the majority of our budget. Social security was prepared for the retirement of the baby boomers in 2000. Our country was experiencing a surplus. We weren’t at war and had favorable international relations. Our healthcare system wasn’t ridiculously inefficient. And once these things are ruined, it’s hard to fix them, especially with a congress which refuses to cooperate with anything.

Numbers don’t tell the whole story, my friend. Try again, son.

No sweets, the Congressmen are “acting” like they were elected to act like.  You don’t seem to get it do you?  

Quit with the class warfare – it’s silly and disingenuous.  You’re the sheep because you either believe that bull shit or have serious issues understanding exactly what is happening.  The ludicrous statement about benefiting only the rich is just stupid, absolutely stupid.  
Next….

Try reading history, how do you think Kings and Queens came to be?

When the final history of America is written, it will be told that the Tea Party brought this country to its knees with their selfishness and childish willingness to be duped by the wealthiest modern-day robber barons.

I used to live on a Yacht docked in Monte Carlo.  Yup, sure did….

Give it up.  You want to compare a party that came up with a plan to one that stuttered and stammered and came up empty?  Yup – very serious political operation Obama is running.  When is his next tee time?  Where does the lovely little Mrs. want to take the family to next?  

really?  I’m sure you’re very secure flipping homes in Arizona.  Making a blinking fortune!

He’s worked NEVER!  He paid diddlely for his education  NOTHING!  So try another sob story cause this one won’t fly.  

Hmmmm…in my history class we learned that the Tea Party was an awesome thing.

The Republican refusal to countenance any way to raise revenues to tackle the massive debt incurred largely on their watch and from a recession which started under Obama’s predecessor makes one thing clear. They are not a political party in government; they are a radical faction that refuses to participate meaningfully in the give and take the Founders firmly believed should be at the center of American government. They are not conservatives in this sense. They are anarchists.

Too BAD you LIBs and the Liberal Obama Statist Media (his stenographers and lapdogs) gave us this anti-America and anti-Business Present-dent!

America is wise to and frowning upon you!

He hasn’t acted responsibly since he opened the front door of the White House.  He’s managed to create chaos in his wake – divide the Country like it’s never been divided and act like a freaking Emperor!  That’s what he’s managed to do.  

So, your marvellous little “post” – into the circular file along with the Empty Suit’s latest tirade. 

Too BAD you LIBs and the Liberal Obama Statist Media (his stenographers and lapdogs) gave us this anti-America and anti-Business Present-dent!

America is wise to and frowning upon you!

Really? Everyone one of them has said it doesn’t matter? Every last one of them?

Don’t you realize that the House has already approved this spending in appropriations bills, and that not acting to increase the limit is equivalent to your welching on all your debts and declaring bankruptcy? Most people call that being a deadbeat.

So we have a Deadbeat House of Representatives majority. Yeah, that’s being “No 1! USA!”

You’re in the minority according to the polls!

HehHehHeh

Not a thing. I was thinking bi-partisan in some kind of real world meaningful way and obviously you aren’t.
 
If one person from the opposing party votes with you you get to officially claim bi partisan. I’ll keep your definition in mind for future discussions.

Okay, sure. If you say so.

 Remember the few months ago he was ‘locked’ out of the WH? I wanna know who let him back in.

She was a “working stiff”?  In a $300,000 job where she never showed up that was created just for her and hasn’t been filled since she left?  That working stiff?

Oh and the hard working “Community Organizer” did what?  

Uh, question. Did you listen to the speech? In particular the part where Obama labels himself as one of those well off people he is looking to tax?

they should have damn well changed the locks! lol

Could you explain the details in Cut Cap and Balance?

 Hey Az…give him a couple more minutes….or the LSM will do it for him. Blame Bush, or Palin.

you wingnuts fall all to pieces every time Obama smacks the crap out of you….cry cry cry…..you lil boehners are sickening

Interesting that a Democrat failed to help a balanced budget pass in 1997. It failed by 1 vote. Imagine how much better off we would have been today had it passed then? Of course now, it is still the Democrats that are keeping us from a balanced budget. History does repeat.

Don’t waste your time. That’s what they do. They make a claim or ask a question and when you respond with something they can’t refute, they change topics or try to change the original meaning of the question. If you played along and showed them evidence of Obama working, for instance, at a sanitation plant, they would just move on to their next deflection rather than concede the point. 

 Obama was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth thats my only point.. his choice of emplowment and higher education matters not…growing up in a single mother home then raised by his grand parents isn’t a sob sorry .. its simply his story… thats it ..   ps Boehner wasnt born with a silver spoon either..  They happen to be in the minority though unfortunately… unlike you i understand that they try to trick us into black and white and Den v repub  …when it will always be rich v poor… now fixing this mess we may disagree on but best believe both sides are playing a messed up game and WE the country arent winning..     and dont give me the class warfare mumbo jumbo… both sides play it…  the fact is the gaps getting bigger and thats not a good thing for this country…

Ah yes, the liberal media just eats his shit right up don’t they?

Pathetic liar of a President, baby in chief, empty suit, can’t/won’t lead.  Threatens and throws the hate card, the fear card, and the race card….but they media will support, defend and protect him at all costs.

pathetic bunch of mealy mouths who are nothing but whores for the dnc and hehimself.

there is a bipartisan plan that has passed th ehouse, and Harry and his idiot dem followers REFUSE to allow it to come to a vote despite the overwhelming support from the american peopel.  the press don’t support it cus hehimself won’t support it, and the press cowtow to HIM.

pathetic.

Wait a minute.  I just want to be certain. Was it Bush or Obama who pushed the 800 Billion dollar stimulus?  Was it Bush or Obama who pushed for the (un)Affordable Patient Protection Bill?  Was is Bush or Obama’s budget that added the stimulus money every year?  Well then I guess this is Obama’s debt that he needs the ceiling raised.  And by the way is it class warfare when you constantly assault business.  Just ask Steve Wynn!!

If you are afraid to say raise taxes, you are as much a liar as Obama.

“Working stiffs?” Heh, this pompous, class-baiting a@@hole talks about sh!t he knows nothing about and the fruitcakes on the left lap it up too. Total hypocrisy.

I guess that’s your opinion. I’m a working stiff, my Dad was , and I’ve been around working stiffs all my life. Never saw it as an insult. It’s slang, but not derogatory.

So, you’re saying that their doing their job and doing what they were elected to do? You think that their job is to bicker and fight and get nothing done? You’re one of the 19% of America that approves of their job? And you actually believe that republicans, and some democrats, are working for the people of the US? 
If you do, I’m sorry…I can’t help you…

you are repeating yourself…

Was it Bush or Obama who made these emergency efforts necessary? 

Nice try.

Here’s the thing that seems to be getting lost here: These plans have to be negotiated by both parties! I can come up with a list of everything I want too. It doesn’t mean I’m going to get it. No plan, dreamed up by just one of the parties, is going to get the support needed to serve as anything more than a symbolic gesture. That’s why the Republican’s waste of time failed, and I assure you that a Democrat attempt at the same thing will also fail. Both sides have to make a plan and COMPROMISE.

Question: Why did you mention Kool-aid? I know you expressed in another post that you didn’t feel like you could say what you really want to say on Mediaite, but as then, I now fully encourage you to excercise your 1st Ammendment right.

Ouch!

The stench of racism does indeed hang heavily over Mediaite tonight.

Just call it Squat, Krap and Dump and it becomes pretty clear.

Right. The sure path to personal wealth is getting a government job.

These are emergency efforts??  This is a President who never made a budget yet along wrote a paycheck.  The stimulus did absolutely nothing.  Only 6% of that money went for construction the rest bailed out unions and state governments.  Everyone agrees even Obama that they weren’t really “shovel ready”.  Now he writes this $800 billion into his next budget.  Is that an emergency?  No I don’t think so!
And was the Healthcare bill fiscally responsible or an emergency?  No I don’t think so!  So get off the Bush did it ticket.  Look I’m no fan, but I can also see what this guy is doing as well.  Wake up don’t fall for patent party lies.  Do your own research

And, I am not expecting the party of Boehner and Can’tor is going to be looking very good to hard-working Americans trying to support their families and themselves and do right by their nation.

Why has the President let this debt issue go on this long? Where is his leadership? Why didn’t he present a budget, oh, say, 2 YEARS ago? I hate to say it, but is this the grand plan? Bring America to its knees? A real leader would have addressed this issue long before now.

You are a scholar of the first order.

And, that’s very sad. Throughout the 20th Century, the Republicans and the Democrats, through love of their country and a spirit of compromise, even congeniality, built a nation the envy of the world. The Republicans played an indispensible role in that. And, now, so much of the Republican party is nothing but self-serving, insular extremists singularly dedicated to tearing down everything it took a century to build. I have no doubt this type of Republican will be a short, ugly phase in the party’s history, and that once again the party will come to consist of good and decent men and women who love their country. My only fears are the damage they will do in the short time they share power and whether the good and decent Republicans still in office, and there are many, can carry on.

You behave wonderfully in public.

History is unequal to your reason.

History is unequal to your reason.

Isn’t that the truth!

You wear your independent thinking like a hard won badge.

Of course he didn’t listen. But, in all fairness, he is wonderful benevolent in sharing his utter ignorance with us.

Here’s a little hint, junior, prog / libs are not nearly the intellectual giants that they think they are. Seriously, don’t you ever feel used? The political elitists are such because.. umm.. Oh, yeah, they went to Ivy League schools, so they’re smart as muthaf***rs, no? And you went, where? Bush got an MBA man, went to Yale, etc. so on an so forth. Fact is, that means shit.

There’s two types of people who want change. Anarchists, and people who’re proud of where they are but recognize that we have to curb our appetite if we continue to exist.

Recognize that Obama is an asshole and a tool, then come back.

Here’s a little hint, junior, prog / libs are not nearly the intellectual giants that they think they are. Seriously, don’t you ever feel used? The political elitists are such because.. umm.. Oh, yeah, they went to Ivy League schools, so they’re smart as muthaf***rs, no? And you went, where? Bush got an MBA man, went to Yale, etc. so on an so forth. Fact is, that means shit.

There’s two types of people who want change. Anarchists, and people who’re proud of where they are but recognize that we have to curb our appetite if we continue to exist.

Recognize that Obama is an asshole and a tool, then come back.

Be careful. Science Denial is a key principle of modern Republicanism.

The tea party is not even a party but a cohort of textual fanatics dedicated to a minimalism that correlates with their comprehension.

Not true by any standard but easily a standard measure of your dedication to truth.

The original Boston Tea Party was a rebellion against corroboration between corporation and state, to the detriment of the colonists.  Basically over tax cuts to a large corporation.  Today’s faux tea party has nothing in common with the original ‘awesome thing’.  Actually, the tea party of today was originated by, is sponsored by, and naively doing the bidding of large multinational corporations at the bequest of the Koch brothers, to the detriment of democracy and the rights and welfare of the individual hard working American citizen.  If you only watch Foxnews and listen to conservative talk media, your understanding of today’s events will be as lacking as that of your history.  
 

And, you think she started that way? Wow. Your hatred is deep.

A wonderful inversion that distracts in a manner that serves illusion.

You are total filth.

Amen, I say, “Amen!”

Factually false statement from one comfortable with casual attention to reality.

Yes I’m sure you’re right … I guess that ‘change’ in the house was a direct response to his “petty rambling”. And I suspect we’re gonna see more of that response to his hackneyed sloganeering and $ 4.1 bill daily bill coming up pretty quick (think elections).

So I guess you are in favor of bankrupting America rather than getting our spending habits under control? Is that it?

Dik is a Gentleman and a Scholar.
Not really. Not even close.
Antithesis comes to mind.

You demonstrate a preternatural ability to identify categorical sums.

Extraordinarily well put. I do enjoy someone who can work with the English language. There are far too few of you.

You have to understand that Obama is a man because of his age and a child because of his behavior.  He can’t keep a job, uneducated, doesn’t take care of his kids, doesn’t take care of his wife, isn’t in a stable relationship and …. and….. a lot of other bad things that a man of 50 shouldn’t be doing.

I suspect Terri from Texarkan has been asked to leave many a restaurant. Even cafeterias.

Do you get extra pennies if you use extra long words? Or, do you just really like to use dictionary.com?

Barack Obama is the most pathetic demagogue ever to walk the surface of
the earth; anyone listening to him now and regrettably took what he says
as facts would be left with the notion that the Republicans wants to
punish those who “Who Struggle Everyday”, in favor of those “filthy
rich” individuals like Jeffrey Immelt(Chairman and CEO of General Electric) amongst
others, who actually worked tirelessly with the organized mainstream
media which they control, and essentially bought him the presidency
after a USD$650,000,000 campaign in 2007 & 2008.

It is all these demagoguery with minority voters that Obama and the
Democrats have done for the past 5 years to woo the Latino vote by
simply “TALKING” about “immigration reform” and waiting until the lame
duck session to bring forward the so called “dream act”. Frankly the
demagoguery and mere “talking” has been sufficient enough to keep
getting the Democrats the Hispanic vote after exploiting the ignorance
of the Latinos who actually vote to keep them in office. After the 2006
elections, the Democrats had TOTAL CONTROL of the Senate and House of
Representatives, with an overwhelming majority for 4 full years: from
January 3, 2007 to January 3, 2011. And for 2 years within those 4
years, they also had control of the White house after Obama was elected
in 2008. If majority of Latino voters are not so ignorant and look
beyond the lip service, they should easily see that Democrats prefer to ”
talk” about amnesty or push the Dream Act forward now that they can be
opposed by the House, and tell the Latino people that
Republicans are the obstacle to what Hispanics desire, therefore they
should vote for democrats ONCE AGAIN as they usually do. Having total
control f the White House, Senate, and House of Representatives gives
you the privilege of doing whatever you want to do, if you actually
wanted to do it and not the cheap demagoguery in play.

This demagogue-in-chief and his party is now applying the same tactics
with the debt crisis and exploiting the sentiments of Seniors and
“Ordinary Americans Who Struggle Everyday” by using their now two most
favorite catch phrases: “End Medicare As We Know It” and “For
Millionaires And Billionaires”. Maybe the debt crisis will not come to
this point if since January 20th 2009, he actually led a fiscally
responsible government and created a business friendly atmosphere for
small business to be confident in hiring/creating new jobs by investing
more, thereby creating more tax payers that bring in revenue. The truth
is always a bitter pill to swallow, but a true leader would have been
honest like Chris Christie and admitted to the American people that the
three biggest entitlement programs Social Security, Medicare and
Medicaid will be totally bankrupt in several years, beginning 9 years
from now, rather that using their catch phase that Republicans want to
“End Medicare As We
Know It” to stir up sentiments of the Seniors who are actually not
affected by an overhaul of the programs which are a “necessity” if the
programs are going to be available for future generations.The Democrat
controlled congress did not pass a budget for almost 3 years, and now
the freshman Republicans in the House are trying to make Government
function as it should by bringing forth a budget, but all the Democrats
and Obama does is demagoguery and pathetically doing so without a plan
of their own as an alternative.

It is a shame to have a President of this kind, rather than a true
leader and uniter, but I hope that those who voted for him in 2008 will learn
from their mistakes and never repeat them. If there are any mature folks
here who have been following politics over the decades, you will
probably realize that the phrases such as “Pay Their Fair Share” “Shared
Sacrifice” and “For Millionaires And
Billionaires” are only used by Socialists and Communists in South
American countries and Asia. The tone of this president is so
un-American and clearly not one of a Capitalist, and a fact to note is that the so called “filthy rich” who
make up only 5%(leaving the remaining 95%) of the population already are
responsible for “45% of the federal government’s total revenue”, while almost
half of the entire population pay “NO federal income taxes at all”. Yet
this demagogue-in-chief consistently tries to insinuate that the wealthy
do no “Pay Their Fair Share”. A Communist will only be satisfied if the
rich are allowed to keep only 10% of what they earn, while government
retains 90 percent of it for their reckless spending on endless wars and
food stamps for the voters who keep them in power.

Obama hit that one out of the park! Nice job Mr. President.

Ditto

ooooooo good zinger

Wow that is big news.   Was he in a bathroom stall at the airport?

Obama’s opponents have vastly underestimated the POTUS.
Hubris will be the undoing of the Tea Party.

Your struggles range from spacing to historiography, with nothing between not badly abused.

Obama never steps out from under the shadow of George W. Bush. LMFAO! heheheheheheheheheh.

I write as I think, consequence of advanced levels of literacy.

http://blogs.trb.com/news/opinion/chanlowe/blog/2011/07/chan_lowe_tea_party_bomb_throw.html

Need we say more?

Actually, the Republicans had a FREE way of getting the country out of a financial crisis and they also had a FREE way to get the economy going after a recession.

In case you haven’t noticed George W. Bush did EVERYTHING right and Barack H. Obama has done EVERYTHING wrong.

It’s just like how Ronald Reagan did EVERYTHING right and Jimmy Carter did EVERYTHING wrong. 

“exploiting the ignorance of the Latinos who actually vote to keep them in office.”
You do not really care for Hispanics and Latinos do you?
You sound rather prejudice to me.

03:44 No those people are not mad at Democrats and those people are not mad at Republicans. They are mad at the elites, putting their own interests first by definition. http://crpa.co/CRPA-Philosophy-General.htm#elitism

Look who Floriduhhh made Govenor!

Regarding your use of grammar, it is very obvious “rajahaan” did not go to an Ivy League school.

to your point.   http://blogs.trb.com/news/opinion/chanlowe/blog/2011/07/chan_lowe_tea_party_bomb_throw.html

Unopposed?!!!  Your ignorance of Congressional process and of how the GOP manipulated it by unprecedented and inappropriate use of the filibuster to smother any and everything our President tried to do to alleviate the suffering brought upon us by 30 years of middle class squashing Reagonomics, and 12 years of pandering to the wealthy and corporations causing our current debt and deficit is astounding. Unfortunately though, all too common in light of today’s fog of propagandist conservative media. 

He’s a Marxist, Mowist, Socialist, Communist, Nazi,,,,hold on..I gotta go to World Nut Daily to find more.

Hey Dikless, got a few questions for you. 

Why do you call Obama a “pompous, race-baiting a@@hole”?  Based on what?
Why do you think he “knows nothing about” the deficit?  Where’s he wrong?
And how did you determine I’m a freaking “fruitcake”?  My being a progressive, and all.
I think you’re talking out of your ass.

Yeah, why would anyone leave the GOP?  That doesn’t make any sense.  I mean so what they stand firmly for corporations over citizens and sure they stand for the rich over the poor but other than that….

Sorry, Greg.  I clicked on the wrong reply button.

I never seen him that pissed off before. That’s for sure.

Another Tea Partier who doesn’t know how to use a Thesaurus.

:)

I live in the same state as Tina.
Poor Tampa, they have enough troubles as it is.

Come on now… you know they didn’t listen to the speech.

They probably barely read the headline before they started regurgitating their pre programmed messages.

Think about it – Rush “the Republican Leader” Limbaugh tells his listeners to let him think for them and then he tells them “don’t doubt me.”

Boehner to Brick Obamo: “I Won.”

The bludgeoning Obamo is taking is so beautiful to see. Mr. ‘Pitchfork’ is now getting stabbed by one that the private sector and Conservatives are holding. Quick to deflect blame as only Brick Obamo can, we should all note that this is ‘Happening on Obamo’s Watch.’

I LOVE this!

Colby, how does having the Federal government borrow a couple trillion more dollars, and taxing themselves another trillion help the average Joe?

Let’s say we remove the corporate jet tax break that Obama’s stimulus bill brought us. Does that solve our problems? Does that improve my life in any way, shape, or form?

Very well stated.  Not an untrue word. 

Nice example of the concern troll. You should of said something like “I did not leave my party, my party left me” or some other form.

Since the leftists always like polls. Those that favor cut cap and balance was at 66%. I guess the leftists really do not care what the people think though.

Huh?

Well stomped out if by the common Equus Ferus.

Obama tells White House press corp what to go out and say.

GEEZ! http://www.breitbart.tv/when-you-go-write-your-stories-obama-calls-out-wh-press-corps/

Get out there members of the Ministry of Truth and spread your New Speak!

Hey, the Republicans want to compromise on the federal debt issues as well.However, the Republican concept of compromise – a key component of any meaningful negotiation – is for the opposition to discard their own beliefs and completely embrace the conservative point of view.In short, their notion of negotiation involves capitulation by the opposition­.

You have to understand that Progressivism = Socialism, so really things are proceeding along nicely for the Pres and his crew…  maybe moments like the one we find ourselves in right now are not so comfortable, but still fit nicely into the plan.. How is it the the President and his friends in the Senate really think that this issue could be solved in a month….  They knew that it couldn’t. We are talking about a concern that spends $10,000,000,000,000 / day.  Something that large you do not write a budget for in a couple of weeks, but they need this final crisis moment to pass another POS legislation down America’s throat.  The reason Dems never bothered with budgets is that budgets really don’t fit their needs, in a country who ownes the world’s exchange currency, as well as some bad assed printing presses why should they concern themselves with pesky little things such as budgets..  This will not stop as long as progressives are in power, if you read up on the progressive movement you will see that they really don’t believe in the same natural rights that the founders did.  Back in the 1920′s the great thinkers of the day began to take a Darwinian approach to the constitution and we see the results today. ,They believe the constitution to be an evolving document, and they do not believe that you are born with natural rights rather it is their understanding that you have rights because the state has granted you those rights. They feel that there should be no limitation to the state in its persuit of a just and equal society.   If you are shocked by the amount of change that has occured in the last three years and are having a hard time taking it in..  This is the Progressive moment, they never have cared for capitalism, they have never trusted or understood industry, and they think that the government should be tasked in every aspect of your life.  And there is no mistaking that Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are all Progressives.

And in a “related video”…

http://www.everydaylifestyles.com/articles.php?t202id=93091&t202kw=ads_8b2_2ba

Damn you Breitbart… you’ve been hiding the truth all this time… all this time!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43857267/ns/world_news-europe/
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/...

“The suspect arrested for twin terror attacks in Norway Friday has been
identified as Anders Behring Breivik, according to media reports in the
U.K. and Norway.

Norwegian media has linked Breivik to a Facebook account in which the poster described himself as a Christian conservative.

Norwegian television said that Breivik belongs to right-wing circles in
Oslo, and a Swedish newspaper has reported the Breivik has posted on
right-wing forums in Norway”
 
Nothing to do with Islam.

A right wing Christian Conservative. Interesting.

Revenue is added to the plus column which is next to the minus column.  When a minus is big, a plus makes it less big.  A less big minus is good.

It’s good you see things the way you’ve been schooled.

If the country goes into default it is on Obama’s watch. He should have been a leader instead of a partisan hack.

Impossible… a range of credible trolls told me today that Islam would destroy me/ you/ us/ most all/ because of their dedication to madness and general misbehavior.  Must be the Norwegian “Lamestream” media… looked up the Norwegian translation for lame.. it’s the same…”lame”.

I could, but that would be an utter waste of time.  I wish they had made the CBO score it, because it would have been hilarious.

Yes… he should assume the collective authority of all three branches and impart his will… how sweet such leadership would be.  

Yes… he should assume the collective authority of all three branches and impart his will… how sweet such leadership would be.  

So, why hasn’t he written a check to the Treasury?

What does the debt ceiling have to do with spending?

The money is already spent and if Boehner wanted a fight he should have waited until the committees had passed their budgets and done this in September when they have to pass the budget for FY 2012.

The debating skills of Greg.
A wonderful inversion that distracts in a manner that serves illusion.
Well stomped out if by the common Equus Ferus.
 They lack proper orientation to operate in a world of form and function… Happy in the shared fantasy that they are the heroes of history. History is unequal to your reason.This is what happens when you sit behind your desk in your tighty whities while the wife is out earning a living. Change to boxers, it will allow more brain flow to your head.

lol…I’m not saying the Republican bill isn’t NAMED nicely, with pretty words and all, but when you start actually EXPLAINING what’s in it to the American people those numbers go way down.
80% percent of Americans don’t want Medicare and SS touched.  Period.

Just like most Americans didn’t think the debt limit should be raised until they found out exactly what that means.
Then they did.

Moral of the story:  Purdy Republican slogans poll real nice.

It’s the surest way going at the moment.

He has been referred to as a man-child since his days in the Illinois State Senate.  I first noticed it during the Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act debate in blogs and local newspaper comments.  People were angered because he wouldn’t cast a vote without Planned Parenthood telling him whether to vote present, aye or nay.  He later lied about his voting record on that bill during his 08 campaign. 

LOL!
Obama must secretly control Norway. Obama is framing Christian Conservatives. Obama is setting up a caliphate. Free Anders Behring Breivik! (mega sarcasm alert)

Obama blew more money in his first year than both wars have cost us to date. And, he’s also decided that such spending is the new baseline.That people who already carry the majority of the load still have more is not reason enough to take more from them so that Obama can continue to blow the budget up.

Do you understand why they don’t pass a budget?

Thank’s Nature… horrible and sad news.  From the latin…Homo Homini Lupus.  From me… Fu*k the inhumane monsters to hell.  

Why do you even bother posting something so nonsensical? Which do you think would have more of an impact on fixing this problem: A) Allowing Bush tax breaks for the rich to go away, or B) If President Obama liquidated all of his assests and donated his entire worth to the treasury?

I have to ask, since you question his willingness to part with some of his money, do you think he is just pulling the Cons leg about raising taxes?

It was Obama, Reid and Pelosi. If they’d dealt with the debt ceiling, or passed a budget, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. They didn’t.

People want to pay more so that Obama can spend his ass off! He’s so good at it. What are these Rethuglicans thinking?

Yeah, that’s why that last election went so badly for them. How do my balls taste?

No, Bush never ran a trillion dollar deficit. Obama has never run anything but, and he’s up to three now, and planning 10 more.

I have not engaged in proper debate… none on the right will have me as opposition.
I pride myself in proper appointment… always properly clothed independent of location with an eye on function… from my smart wool socks to my watertight cap. 
We both earn quite well and share with dedicated affection.  

Obummer and the libturds have no plan. None. They prefer to keep on spending us into oblivion. The tea party backed congress are the only ones with a serious plan to cut cap and have a balanced budget amendment. Lack of leadership is to blame for this mess. People wake up, this country has no chance of improvement while the democRATS are in power. Come on 2012.

You obviously are not that certain.

1)  The stimulus was set out for 3 fiscal years, and if I remember it was roughly 1/3 tax cuts, 1/3 to aiding state budgets, and 1/3 is miscellaneous programs.

2)  Since it has not been implemented and I read conflicting reports, this seems rather specious.

3)  You are not certain, because it was set out for 3 fiscal years, as I pointed out in my first point.

4)  Yes.  Constantly assaulting business, while they give him millions of dollars for his reelection campaign.  That’s logical.

I worry about this happening here. We are so polarized in America at the moment.
It is so predictable. After every shooting or bombing, people immediately blame Islam. Americans need to grow up!
The ones here who blamed Islam for this atrocity will never apologize. Take that to the bank!

Yes, yes. We all realize this was the Republican plan. You don’t need to remind us.

Dear Gar1956,

I write to you tonight to notify you of a unique situation.  I have identified a kindred soul, a lighthouse for your wayward raft, a stable for your band of goats, a barrel for your stash of moonshine.  His name is John and he emotes in a manner you must admire, proclaims so that you might desire and describes with a burning fire that can only ignite your very soul.  Take care as you approach for he(r) is a gentle soul… easy to spook and quick to flee.  Woo he(r) with gentle words and soon you both shall join in eternal rhetorical bliss.  Your welcome.

Greg

You should really pay attention.

1)  ”The stimulus did absolutely nothing.”  Seems that a majority of economists disagree with you on this point.  

2)  1/3 was for relief of the states and we can quibble about the unions bit.

3)  ”Do your own research”?  You obviously haven’t, because this whole “deal” was depending on the day either a 10 or 12 year timetable.

But you knew that, right?  Because you “do your own research” (sic).

Ah, the catch, Pablo, is that the American people see the ugliness and duplicity of the Republicans now. They ran on jobs. They gave us at last count 13 abortion bills. They ran on fiscal responsibility in the states and they ended up producing even more abortion bills and have attempted to destroy unions. Now with the debt ceiling debate, we see that the Republicans are willing to destroy the American economy and plunge the nation into the Second Great Depression because of a piece of paper they signed for that scumbag Grover Norquist. All the Republicans care about are making the rich richer and kowtowing for corporations. The Republicans have spit in the face of the poor/working class/middle class time and again. They are in *serious* trouble. Especially with the pathetic clowns they have as potential presidential nominees. Really, the only question now is if the Democrats will get enough seats to win the House, because the Senate and Presidency are secure.

I do not think an addiction to polls is a sign of ideological allegiance, but rather a sign of a weak mind.

Asking people that have no idea about the bill is like asking little girls if they like ponies.  It tells you absolutely nothing, because most little girls like ponies.

As Homer said, “In theory.  In theory communism works.”

The trolls were even claiming that Mediaite moved the headline to obscure the role of Islam in global disorder… fantasy is their black tar heroin, while meth remains their meth.  

100% of leftists asked if taxes should be raised on the other rich, said yes.

.0001% of leftists asked if taxes should be raised on themselves, said yes.

Now, if you asked if SS and Medicare bureaucracy should be cut to say 10% of what it is now, I bet everyone would agree with that, except those working in that bureaucracy. I wonder what it costs to run those bureaucracies? Why don’t you dig that up for me, I have tried, the government does not like to provide that though.

How many 100s of thousands of employees does it take to implement these systems like the new Obama Care takeover bureaucracy being implemented now?

Do you think if you asked medicare recipients if they like the FACT that $500 billion was stolen to implement Obama Care?

I was making the point that people in the VAST majority want a balanced budget amendment. You can attempt to spin your polls all you want.

We the taxpayer do not want a draconian government that soaks up all the money in the economy. We the taxpayer have had it with the communist style apparatchik being implemented in the US.

Cut the deficit
by ½ in a year

Cap
spending to 19% of GDP

Balanced
Budget Amendment to the Constitution

The beautiful thing is that Brick Obamo is getting unhinged and very near bursting into flames. Libs were fattening themselves with caviar n 2008-2009, expecting ‘perpetual Democratic majorities’ and all sorts of other orgasmic outcomes to their ‘historic’ win.

It is so terrific to see these Dim Libs in such a state of despair and rage. The pitchfork-holder-in-Chief is acting like the Devil we know he is.

Yep, only if they can get humans to completely quit being human, communism would be great…………for the party apparatchik.

Also, well maybe not ideological allegiance, it certainly corresponds to how much bull or propaganda one wants to push.

Mediate’s very own Eddy Haskel. 

Impeached?  What high crime and misdemeanor would they charge him with until the issue had been hashed out in court?

How do we have no checks and balances?  The President is basically saying, “Well you wrote the checks (told the Executive to make contracts for X,Y, and Z) and now we have to pay for them.”  

Invoking the 14th Amendment doesn’t change the fact that spending still originates in the House.  But you knew that, right?The very idea of a debt ceiling is highly dubious as far as its constitutionality.  

Obama is against the America of the past and present. He wants to
transform us into brundlefly.

Did you type that while in your satin smoking jacket, with your pipe loosely clamped between your teeth?

SO, that’s as specific as it gets? Just cut , without naming the cuts?
Isn’t that what Obama did that ya’ll keep complaining about?

If we are aiming toward accuracy, I would suggest Higgins the dog… a loyal and faithful guardian.  

These shorts…
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And this shirt…
http://www.gap.com/browse/product.do?cid=5231&vid=1&pid=768638&scid=768638322

I do not smoke… very bad for endurance.  

Yes… a temporal anarchist who wishes to overlap space and time in such a manner as to generate a perverted overlap of man and fly… very astute analysis of our current predicament.  You deserve an award… as does your middle school social science instructor.  

People really need to stop saying something is bi-partisan when a handful of people in the opposing party vote for it.  Problems?  Oh yeah.  

 1)  Cutting $112 billion out of discretionary spending for one fiscal year?  That’s a pretty tall order given the diversity of discretionary spending, even though it is only around 19% of the total budget.  Why not just do this through the normal budgeting process that is not due until October?

2)   Congress passes a budget every year and this bill overlooks that fact in a huge way.  It’s vague wording about the “global war on terrorism” being exempted.  Wait.  It gets better.  They exempt Social Security, etc.

3)  It caps spending overall spending as part of the GDP by a decreasing percentage every year.  Oh.  By the way, it also specifies that those exemptions for Social Security etc. disappear.  Do I have to spell it out?

4)  The most asinine part is the balanced budget part, which if it ever was ratified by 3/4 of the states would require a 2/3 majority in both chambers to raise taxes.  I would think that the Founding Fathers would have written that into the Constitution in the first place.

Any questions there 2012freedom?  I am more than happy to talk about any part of the Curious, Crap, and Bullshit bill if you like.

I sure hope you got that right on your geography test, because you’d fail on every other count.

You may laugh, but the numbers say that the best odds are a majority for the Dems in the House and a majority of Pubs in the Senate with Obama reelected.  

Hard to decide which of these is the dumbest, but I’ll go with the last one.

Yes.  $100,000.  If they just showed up and said, “Pay us now.”  I am sure you have a historical precedent for this scenario, right?

S&P Raises State of Ohio’s Credit Rating, Cites GOP Governor Kasich’s Budget.
Wisconsin adds half of all jobs created IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY for the month of June
====================
The Republican’s policies are working and showing immediate results. Obama’s policies are failing. That’s why he’s so pissed off and acting like a d*ck.

You’re stupid!!

Agreed!!!! Everyone now wants to speak up and trash this President when Bush had PLENTY to do with this. Hasn’t anyone wondered why he lays so low…he even knows it. Blame Obama is what everyone wants to do. It is everyone’s responsibility. Sounds to me he is sticking up for the little ppl!!! Everyone is so damn greedy!!!

 Stonepark…well I suppose Obama RAN the whole bill up ALL BY HIMSELF!!! I dnt think he was in office during this tax cuts…the Bush tax cuts. OBAMA didn’t throw us into a SENSELESS war with IRAQ to find the “oh so vicious Saddam Hussein”. Obama got Bin LAden, yet no one even brings that up now…he11 ppl even have the GALL to give the credit to BUsh!! It’s disturbing. Seems there is a bitterness that ppl use against this president. It is sad and disrespectful!!! Get a life!!! Quit being so damn greedy

 Chris, you really know what u  r talking about

Or a cautionary tail about unintended consequences.

Obama intended to be spending his way to
re-election.(Martin Brundle) Then
the Tea Party (The Fly) came along and changes the debate to cuts. So Obama
decides he will take the essence of the Tea Party (Cuts) into his agenda but
only in appearance while he pursues spending (revenue and investments) What we
are left with is a hot mess (Brundelfly)

Ok…The truth of the matter is I just saw the
deleted scene from The Fly and will never be the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QizX5msl-G0

Greg, ignore your attackers and detractors.
Many if them, I suspect are addicted to Jenkem.
Just say no to Jenkem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-SB7kKwn1A
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/new-drug-alert
It is a big problem with Conservatives,

Man, I think the temperature at the White House just spiked. “Lame Duck Obama”. “Leading from behind”. Ouch! You know that left a mark.

After listening to the President’s press conference today, let’s keep in mind the following:This is the same president who proposed an absurdly irresponsible budget that would increase our debt by trillions of dollars, and whose party failed to even put forward a budget in over 800 days! This is the same president who is pushing our country to the brink because of his reckless spending on things like the nearly trillion dollar “stimulus” boondoggle. This is the same president who ignored his own debt commission’s recommendations and demonized the voices of fiscal sanity who proposed responsible plans to reform our entitlement programs and rein in our dangerous debt trajectory. This is the same president who wanted to push through an increase in the debt ceiling that didn’t include any cuts in government spending! This is the same president who wants to slam Americans with tax hikes to cover his reckless spending, but has threatened to veto a bill proposing a balanced budget amendment. This is the same president who hasn’t put forward a responsible plan himself, but has rejected reasonable proposals that would tackle our debt. This is the same president who still refuses to understand that the American electorate rejected his big government agenda last November. As I said in Madison, Wisconsin, at the Tax Day Tea Party rally, “We don’t want it. We can’t afford it. And we are unwilling to pay for it.”Now the President is outraged because the GOP House leadership called his bluff and ended discussions with him because they deemed him an obstruction to any real solution to the debt crisis.He has been deemed a lame duck president. And he is angry now because he is being treated as such.His foreign policy strategy has been described as “leading from behind.”Well, that’s his domestic policy strategy as well. Why should he be surprised that he’s been left behind in the negotiations when he’s been leading from behind on this debt crisis?Thank you, GOP House leaders. Please don’t get wobbly on us now.2012 can’t come soon enough.— Sarah Palin

Jeff Goldblum is a Democrat.
http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Jeff_Goldblum.php
So is Genna Davis.

I just watched most of your Youtube link.
Very cool.
Thanks for posting this. I may disagree with your politics, but I enjoyed the “deleted baboon” scene.
Great movie. better than the Vincent Price original in my opinion.
Cool!

How can Boehner give a serious response to someone as utterly frivolous and uninformed as the President?

How about this — we raise taxes on the upper income brackets immediately after we require the 47% of the population who pay no Federal taxes at all to pay their fair share — say about 10% of their gross income?

this is America not the banana republic, just imagine if President Bush
had done this, everyone here and the press and media would have gone
ballistic and would have been shouting qustions at Bush, how different
his press treats him. Grow up obama 

you mean when republicans were calling anyone a terrorist sympathiser if they didn’t goose step to bush’s disasterous plans?  and bush and republicans DID do what obama is scolding them about: raising the debt ceiling.  the fact that conservatives are crying like little babies shows exactly that obama not only drew blood but is reflecting what polls keep showing: if america defaults, republicans are going to be destroyed in the elections.  you think 70 million people, veterans, social security recipients, contractors, etc are going to sit idly by while republicans destroy this country?  and to think just a few short months ago republicans thought they were going to retake the senate and white house in 2012.  after this fiasco, showing how republicans have no idea how to run a government or economy, they’ll be lucky to have over 100 members left in the house. 

it takes more than bumper sticker slogans and reciting ayn rand to run a government.  its time for real americans to take their government back from conservative children.

Dik, does this mean that you know so much because you are unschooled?  Just curious.

Bush didn’t put the wars on the books like Obama did. Bush left a huge mess!!  The bankers are stealing from the Taxpayers and the teabaggers are letting them get away with it.  I guess you like being bankers robbing you. 

Obama hit that one out of the park!!  

Obama is a delusional disgrace. He’s bankrupt the country by blocking the will of the people.
Generations of prosperity pissed away by an unstable megalomaniac.

What bullshit teabagger/gop site did you find that? Have you people no shame! Honestly, you kids sound like 12 year olds – so go out an play and leave the serious conversations about policy to the grown ups – Please you kids just embarrass yourselves with every keystroke.

What bullshit teabagger/gop site did you find that? Have you people no shame! Honestly, you kids sound like 12 year olds – so go out an play and leave the serious conversations about policy to the grown ups – Please you kids just embarrass yourselves with every keystroke.

America IS on it’s way to being a banana republic kiddo – and if you can’t see that then I guess you were born with a silver spoon up your ass huh. – TRY WORKING FOR A LIVING and maybe you’ll be a little pissed at the corporations and the wealthy who drove this country over a cliff with the help of little boy bush.

You people are sick and twisted and horribly inexcusably misinformed – but hey, just keep watching that fox “news” bullshit you’re all so fond of – have fun in fantasy land.

Ok you stupid little children I’ll use small words so you can understand – The dems could not do much of anything because the gop/teaBAGGERS would alway threaten a filibuster anytime a vote that mattered came up – the dems needed 61 fuking votes to be able to do ANYTHING – and this little ploy the little gop/teaBAGGERS decided to use is shameful and they obviously do not care if this country suffers as long as they can try to blame it on democrats who are trying to help WORKING PEOPLE – I know most of you kids haven’t heard of work – it’s what us real adults do – producing something at the end of the day that benefits society – we aren’t sitting on our fat asses living off of investments.

Well that can’t work because the corporations don’t like paying living wages and most people are living paycheck to paycheck just one health problem, car repair bill, mortgage payment away from utter disaster and these working class americans NEED EVERY DIME THEY EARN in order to live to next week, I know people who live off of investments and don’t really contribute anything to society don’t tend to understand struggling paycheck to paycheck while working your ass off but just try to be empathetic – wage slavery is better for corporate america to exploit the desperate masses.

Why do conversations always go this route…disappointing.

So you cannot defend your “impeached” comment.  Thanks for the verification!

Wow, you sure showed me:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/59331.html
Oh, I guess you didn’t.

As opposed to your current cellmate?

your manager wants you back at your french fry station you whiny little b*tch…

Because 90% of the people here don’t have a clue, just talking points and hate

and the other moral should be;  let’s stop screwing around with political distortion of the facts and lay them out there so we can deal with them.

Always pointing, never answering the original question, where’s Obama’s plan besides raise taxes on the people that create the jobs. Why don’t people on the left understand this. Anyone remember the luxury tax of the early 90′s. Tax on yachts, cars over 50 k and jewelry. Yacht business went overseas, they had employees drive cars home for a week so they could be sold as used (no luxury tax), and jewelry went to cash to hide from the tax. Net loss of thousands of jobs and no increase in income, actual loss of income.

f*ck the poor, you want them on your team? take em loser…

We the taxpayer do not want a draconian government that soaks up all the money in the economy.

That’s a great goal. The next step is to find out just where all that money is going. Nobody wants to touch our incredibly bloated military budget in any meaningful way.

Maybe we need to look at how and why the money has been moving from the poor and middle class to the top few % for a few decades now. I’m all for simplifying the tax code but I’m betting the folks in DC will fight against it because the people that benefit the most are their largest contributors.

And you keep reading the Huff and media matters, and don’t forget the WH talking points as provided by MSLSD.

Maybe the people living off investment income were smart enough to put the money they EARNED into investments that pay for their lifestyle. Oh wait, we have to punish people that make money, pay taxes and save, those dirty bastards. Or maybe Obama can declare them mentally incompetent for not living off the government teet and we can just confiscate their assets, douchebag.

Poor Obamo…poor Brick Obamo. He thought he held the pitchforks and now he sees them pointed at him instead of by him.

As Libs liked to say while Bush was president, this is ‘All Happening On His Watch.’

Dflojak

The reason I asked is because Obama did make offers but the mantra that keeps coming back is “That doesn’t count because it wasn’t specific enough”
Then when the GOP passes Cut Cap and Balance, and praises it as being leaders and wanting to seriously solve problems, guess what, No specifics. Doesn’t that means it doesn’t count?

As to the rest, are you saying we shouldn’t tax the rich because they are better at gaming the system and avoiding taxes?
I think the whole” job creators” mantra is misdirection. some small business do file as individuals but the % of potential jobs created that might be affected is much smaller than is being acknowledged and lots of small business are wealthy individuals and small companies such as law firms and investment bankers whose potential hiring is nil.

Hey retardicans. 82 percent of our debt was spent by repukelicans on things like privatizing our military so contractors can get rich. Boner and can’toff voted to raise the debt ceiling 9 times under the chimp without a thought. Where is boners “laserlike focus on jobs”? People remember all the bs you guys spew. And we will remember in the voting booth.

The fringe right desperately needs to delegitimize Obama because, in fact, he’s the only adult in the room. Hence, that’s why they call him a man-child. Typical fright wing tactic.

I don’t agree with him on every issue and I think as a negotiator he tends to play a weaker hand than he actually holds. But any sane person can see that HE’S the one who’s acting responsibly, has the least hardened position and wants what’s best for the country, even if it means putting his reelection at risk. 

That the Republicans are truly prepared to burn the house down to get what they want reveals that they’re the ones who are the petulant children, not the president. 

Too bad most Americans couldn’t explain “cut cap and balance” to you. 

Most Americans — by wide margins — favored the details of the Healthcare Reform plan, too, but because the GOP had tainted the process, HCR itself was unpopular, even though the specifics were not. 

It’s all about messaging. Unfortunately, the Republican party — and their stooges at Fox News — have become masters of the scare tactic.

Obama is openly lying. Amazing.

If the government could create jobs there would never be any unemployment.

Would it, then, be class warfare if Obama were to come out and say, hey, fellows, you know what, every study that’s been done for the past hundred years shows that the folks in the lower 10 per cent of incomes produce about 80 per cent of our problems with alcoholism and drugs, they commit about 90 per cent of our violent crimes and more than that of our property crimes, their children disrupt our schools turning them into cesspools of filth, violence, sexual misbehavior and lack of learning, they are involved in most of our traffic accidents, they destroy whatever public facilities exist in their neighborhoods, turn the homes they live in into sties, produce most of the children — and adults — with mental problems and low intelligence and then have absolutely no parenting skills or concerns.  Well, my fellow Americans, (Obama would go on to say), it’s about time we did something so that these folks would contribute their fair share to our nation. 

Would that be class warfare?  And how would it be any different than going after the folks in the top ten per cent of the income brackets.

I suspect that going after the top ten per cent isn’t class warfare and going after the bottom ten per cent is class warfare is due to the simple fact that most libs are envious of the folks at the top of the income bracket and want what they have whereas there’s no way in hell that they would want to change places with the folks at the bottom.

You think making statements like “they stand for the rich over the poor” is a good debate question?
Absolute nonsense such as that statement indicates you are ill equipped to have a debate with anyone other than your cat.

Once again, a nonsensical response with no debating skills.  Perhaps once your graduate we can expect more, but I’m not holding my breath.  

King of the Red Necks? LOL. You must be over 50. I haven’t heard that term used since the seventies.  He is more of an cubicle dwelling suit who never worked an honest days work. I assure you, he is not a “Red Neck”…

I don’t get your point.  Matter of fact, the last three or four lines of your post are incoherent.

Are you saying that people shouldn’t be allowed to live off investments?  In that case, if you have a pension of any sort then you’ll have to give that up.Or are you saying that folks shouldn’t have to live from paycheck-to-paycheck?  Well, yeah, I agree it would be nice not to live paycheck to paycheck and if I were willing to give up some of the small luxuries in my life I could.  But that’s a matter of what would be nice not what’s a moral imperative. 

And, one other thing, if folks weren’t living paycheck-to-paycheck, what should they do with the extra money?  Invest  it, probably?  And live off those investments? 

One other thing, most of the folks I know who have a considerable income from investments put a lot more back into society than most of the folks I know who don’t.  The only middle- and low-income people I know who do a lot for their fellow citizens are the church-going conservative ones.

What this country needs is more tax cuts for the rich and less benefits for main street. Main street doesn’t deserve the entitlement welfare checks! We should tax poor people more! They have x-boxes! Outrageous! If they can afford to buy games, they can afford to pay more taxes! Rich people are paying too much. Go Boehner!

And if medical research could produce vaccines then no one would ever get sick.

Bitch Bitch bitch, all about a credit rating.. well guess what, when you don’t have money you shouldn’t have a great credit rating. CREDIT RATING: Score to allow you to BORROW even more money!!

When will D.C. understand the American people are tired of our country BORROWING money!

Who cares about the damn Credit Score if your not paying your bills anyway!
Welcome to the real world every American lives under! You can’t keep spending and paying Interest!!

how does that work in the “real” world? You end up living off what you actually earn!
it’s about time Washington understands you must live within your means!

It’s not the end of the world..it’s the end of Washington D. C. from BORROWING!!!

How many more people has Obama, his Czar’s and administration put out of work this week.

The is the only number in Washingtion that gets higher every week.

You will pay cash for your next car? You (or your son or daughter) will buy a house without a loan?
Corporations borrow even when they have enough cash to buy. The way that works is the money they have in the bank earns interest, while the money they borrow is at only slightly higher interest. The interest spread between what is earned and what is owed is the best deal. Plus, the interest paid is a tax deduction. That is one way corporations pay ridiculously low taxes.
One reason the debt interest cost is low is the fact that the cash is collateral.
All of that gets turned upside down when borrowing costs more for everybody.
This is another reason why corporations will not let Republicans cause a default.

As soon as they know there will be no more accounting tricks for the government to pull, the Republicans will fold and the debt limit will go up.

You will pay cash for your next car? You (or your son or daughter) will buy a house without a loan?
Corporations borrow even when they have enough cash to buy. The way that works is the money they have in the bank earns interest, while the money they borrow is at only slightly higher interest. The interest spread between what is earned and what is owed is the best deal. Plus, the interest paid is a tax deduction. That is one way corporations pay ridiculously low taxes.
One reason the debt interest cost is low is the fact that the cash is collateral.
All of that gets turned upside down when borrowing costs more for everybody.
This is another reason why corporations will not let Republicans cause a default.

As soon as they know there will be no more accounting tricks for the government to pull, the Republicans will fold and the debt limit will go up.

All governments create jobs. President is a job. Senator and Representative are jobs. Military jobs. Administrative jobs. Hitler got Germany out of depression by creating jobs, and they weren’t all military jobs. (Hitler blew it in other ways, but he did know how to super-charge the German economy.) Greece created too many government jobs. A balance is necessary.

A good government created job is making roads by hiring private contractors to do the work. The contractors hire the workers and buy or rent the equipment. The roads then serve public needs. That is how government creates jobs, but the Republicans won’t let it get done.
 

your not guaranteed credit in America.. you earn it. You don’t just pay your interest and get another card, you pay it off. Obviously we have allowed Banks and institutions rape the American people on Interest rates. It’s the Americans fault here. How do you solve this? Quit Borrowing!! The rates will come down if they don’t have “Idiots” getting and accepting these loans they cannot afford.

You should not be living outside your means. Sure get a loan on a car under rates you can afford for your means and record. Can’t afford that Continental but you can get the F150..then buy the F150.. save for the Continental. Can’t afford that Million dollar home you want..then buy that nice little ranch home and save and put equity into your home. Homes are not meant to be turned into a quick flip cash cow, they are meant to be lived in. OUR government has no credibility to lendors, they just pay interest and continue to spend. Enough is enough.

Foul language does not convince.

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It might work. 

You mean how many government jobs, which are jobs after all, have the Republicans destroyed?
Even if you assume that a particular government job can be done without, you have to recognize that the employee who got laid off is now competing with the rest of the jobless, and there is one less job available.
Joblessness gets worse, not better, even if the long term effect is good.

Wait, that’s not fair, no one has even produced a budget for the Dems in like 700 days or something ridiculous like that. 

I am in absolute agreement on your basic statement that the key is self-control. Unfortunately, if the government defaults, interest rates will probably go so high that “you” can’t afford to borrow for the F150, either. My point is that what was affordable before won’t be affordable after.
On the corporate scale, it could tip the decision to not upgrading or adding to capability, and that would make even more sense because a default by the government will not in any way CREATE JOBS! (Sorry for the caps. Would prefer some other way of emphasizing.)

What we really, really need to look at is what effect would a government default have on jobs, and I think the answer is clear. It would destroy many jobs.

Unfortunately, many local governments are also spending out of control, “improving” roads and buildings instead of maintaining so that they can justify big contracts to their private corporate contractor buddies. Unfortunately, the government doesn’t promote fair competition, it guarantees the side that pays it the most money and favors the win, and it only has itself to hold it accountable. This makes me less inclined to put more money into the government coffers. Almost no one trusts politicians, why trust the organization comprised of them?

And president, senator and representative are jobs created for the government, not by it.

What we really, really need to look at is what effect would a government default have on jobs, and I think the answer is clear. It would destroy many jobs.

I think from our Government learning they cannot keep spending and keep Foreign countries in their pocket and interest and quit wasting OUR money overseas, they might see how all these “American?” companies, now with factories based off shore and importing back into the American economy may find out it would be cheaper to have those jobs here if they gained more taxes from imports to balance an even trade. So much coulda woulda shoulda to happen.. what we need is change to make it happen and see the outcome.. obviously we see what the present brings.

The only problem with your scenario is that the price of goods isn’t fixed. If interest rates go up on F-150s and no one can afford them, Ford will have to drop the price of it’s F-150. It balances out, because chances are that they raised the price when loans were easy to obtain. A truer measure of this would be the housing market. Home prices skyrocketed, loans were very easy to obtain, fannie & freddie became an easy way for banks to dump bad debt and banking regulations were relaxed in the sub-prime market. These things all happened more or less simultaneously and the justification given by the government was that it was needed because it’s only right that more people with less money be able to afford homes and renting was somehow inhumane. All these changes happen and it’s supposedly coincidence. The only positive result of these changes is that the property value of owned homes has to increase in order to justify new home prices.
We all know how the next part goes, the bubble artificially created and maintained by the government (I attribute this all to the government because no part of the scenario is feasible without the government deregulation and other legislation that preceded it) bursts because people couldn’t afford the homes they bought. We all know that banks never would have lent the money in such large quantities to such bad risks if they knew they would be left on the hook for it. Luckily, they could sell that bad debt to fannie & freddie (private entities that in turn deferred all the risk onto the government by government design). After the inevitable crash (that many economists that are still considered prominent never foresaw), the government foots almost the whole bill. Home prices barely fall, lending practices and standards only really get changed on refinances, corporations are bailed out, fannie & freddie are given blank checks to buy bad debt, home credits are paid by the government to keep people buying new homes. Oh, and property values on owned homes plummet, making it almost impossible for people to sell their too expensive homes and break even. What should have happened is that new home prices should have plummeted as well, but they barely dropped because the government propped them up.

And this isn’t an argument for default, just an example of how I believe it’s all the government’s fault that we’re in this mess yet they continue to exacerbate the problem and keep the economy from truly recovering.

The only group Obimbo is looking out for are the “entitlement-parasites” who make up the voting base of the Democratic Party.

The Republican Party and its Tea Party wing are going to destroy the American economic system as we know it. These Tea Party people are exactly the same kind demographic that was drawn to National Socialism. (Please for those with weak intellects don’t get wound up over the term socialism. In this case it has nothing to do with left leanings.) Tea Party followers are economically disenfranchised. They are individuals trying to find some group or organization they can be a apart of which they feel gives them some type of power and dignity. The Tea Party people are easily manipulated by their leaders for the leaders speak to them in glittering generalities they can easily grasp. Except for the leadership, the rank and file of the Tea Party lack advanced educations and are more than likely to be students who ranked in the middle to lower part of their academic classes. Tea Party people are more than likely more religious than most. Again they find comfort in ideology that excuses how their life is in reality with a promise of a better life to come. All-in-all these misinformed individuals will listen to their leaders, who are truly master manipulators for big business. These leaders will shape a message that resonates supremacy of white, anglo-saxon protestants which resonates with the rank and file Tea Party person. However, it is truly a message which allows the corporate oligarchy to cling to its power.

The Republican Party and its Tea Party wing are going to destroy the American economic system as we know it. These Tea Party people are exactly the same kind demographic that was drawn to National Socialism. (Please for those with weak intellects don’t get wound up over the term socialism. In this case it has nothing to do with left leanings.) Tea Party followers are economically disenfranchised. They are individuals trying to find some group or organization they can be a apart of which they feel gives them some type of power and dignity. The Tea Party people are easily manipulated by their leaders for the leaders speak to them in glittering generalities they can easily grasp. Except for the leadership, the rank and file of the Tea Party lack advanced educations and are more than likely to be students who ranked in the middle to lower part of their academic classes. Tea Party people are more than likely more religious than most. Again they find comfort in ideology that excuses how their life is in reality with a promise of a better life to come. All-in-all these misinformed individuals will listen to their leaders, who are truly master manipulators for big business. These leaders will shape a message that resonates supremacy of white, anglo-saxon protestants which resonates with the rank and file Tea Party person. However, it is truly a message which allows the corporate oligarchy to cling to its power.

I’m surprised no one has figured out what the Republicans are really trying to do. THEY WANT TO RAISE TAXES ON THE UNEMPLOYED! That way they can bring a lot more money into the Treasury.

Of course, the only way that could happen would be to get them jobs–which I guess they would rather have anyway.

That’s a lovely fantasy you’ve spun for yourself. Enjoy it while you can.

You make solid economic arguments. I definitely respect them. As the saying goes, economists can’t agree on anything, so I respectfully disagree on only minor points.

There does come a point when Ford can not bring the price any lower, and that stops the whole process, just like when the consumer runs out of credit. Full stop. (Note here: the current debt limit is an artificial limit in that it is imposed by politicians, not the banks. More on that at the end of this post.)

I absolutely agree that the government went overboard on “the American Dream” of home ownership, and that is not the fault of a single political party. In fact, it is probably more the fault of the entire housing industry and its lobby, from the contractors who built houses to the Real Estate agents (they insist on the capital R and E), to the mortgage lenders who knowingly made bad loans (not forced to, wanted to) because they could bundle them and pass them on. Countrywide and other mortgage-only companies knew they were making bad loans but would not be stuck with them because they could sell them to banks who didn’t bother to evaluate them.

All kinds of people make a living off of fees and commissions when a house is sold. Mortgage salespersons get commissions for convincing people to borrow, and once they got the commission there was no penalty to the salesman if the borrower defaulted. His boss didn’t care because his boss sold the mortgage to an unsuspecting bank so he and the salesman were protected. The temptation to lie about the borrower’s credit, even when the borrower was not willing to, was too great for the salesperson to ignore.

Did you see that Bank of America paid heavy fines and penalties for bait-and-switch mortgage interest rates?
 
In short, most or all of the corruption did not exist withing the
government. The problem was that the government did not monitor or even
spot-check what was going on. It is no wonder the economists were caught
by surprise, since nobody was telling them just how corrupt the system
had become.

Back to the self-imposed government spending limit. The current situation works out to be just like this:
(Good Guy scenario first)

My wife and I agree that we won’t borrow any more, no matter what. My car breaks down and I can’t afford to get it fixed, so I use the credit card. My wife is angry, but agrees it was necessary. Debt limit raised, and we will have to give up something else for a while to get back in financial shape.

Bad Guy scenario: I break the credit limit to buy a 52″ 3-D TV on a store brand credit card. Wife won’t pay the bill. She is morally correct, but the store will repossess and our credit is ruined, to boot.

Are we in a Good Guy scenario or a Bad Guy scenario? Let’s fix the problem first, and argue about who is evil later.

Lmao. You are throwing out so much crap here. I hope it makes you feel better. You can easily swap Tea Party with Democrat and no one would be able to tell the difference with all the baseless claims you’ve made.

Tea Party followers are economically disenfranchised.

Unlike the poor that are supposedly championed by the Democratic Party?

They are individuals trying to find some group or organization they can
be a apart of which they feel gives them some type of power and dignity.
The Tea Party people are easily manipulated by their leaders for the
leaders speak to them in glittering generalities they can easily grasp.

And this is completely different from Dems & Repubs as a whole? The glittering generalities in your post about the Tea Party is enough to prove my point. See:

Except for the leadership, the rank and file of the Tea Party lack
advanced educations and are more than likely to be students who ranked
in the middle to lower part of their academic classes.

Tea Party people are more than likely more religious than most. Again
they find comfort in ideology that excuses how their life is in reality
with a promise of a better life to come.

And progressives find comfort in a ideology that excuses what they’ve made of their lives in reality with a promise that those who have earned more have to give their earnings to those who haven’t. Somehow progressives think they can argue there is no God and that progressivism is in keeping with Jesus’ teachings without any conflict. Newsflash, divorcing ideology from the concept of the divine doesn’t make your ideology for correct or valid. It just makes it a different ideology. You just believe in taxing instead of tithing.

All-in-all these misinformed individuals will listen to their leaders,
who are truly master manipulators for big business. These leaders will
shape a message that resonates supremacy of white, anglo-saxon
protestants which resonates with the rank and file Tea Party person.
However, it is truly a message which allows the corporate oligarchy to
cling to its power.

Every major bill passed by Obama and the Democrat-run congress has directly benefited the corporate oligarchy. None of it has improved the economy. Your leaders have shaped a message that resonates with the feelings of self-hatred of the white, anglo-saxon
protestant-raised people which form the rank and file of the Democratic ranks. You know those same people who disparage Tea Party members for being mostly religious without realizing that same charge applies to almost all of the minority groups they claim to challenge. That’s not surprising to me, though. I don’t think most Democrats like you think you’re the same as the minorities. They’re pet projects you champion because of your strong moral fiber. The same type of person probably thinks “I’m so evolved because I voted for one of them!” and “Some of my best friends are Black!”. Of course, if you happen to be a minority and still spew this tripe, that just makes you amazingly thick-headed for failing to see the hypocrisy in your post. I guess your leaders should be commended for doing such an awesome job with their glittering generalities.

From what I seen in the last 20 years or longer our economy is already destroyed..
we push credit cards like candy.. our whole system has no values..
Nothing more than a Debt and Credit society..not work and save.
You get what you breed.. You want more? ask for a raise!
Start a company or quit letting the rich get richer off your back. You know you can speak up right?
As a nation founded on freedom and self preservation we have led America into “debt and demand’ of rights? supplied Freely? from Government? I don’t want a damn thing from the Government. They want to cut SS and medicare fine, Quit taking it out of the checks and Just give me every penny I paid in tax free with interest over the years and I will be on my way. Can’t hold up to your commitments to the people, fine, Just pay me back make a flat tax for everyone and leave me alone. More could be done for the poverish in the private sector than Government could ever do. I say Bullshit, let it fall and get it’s house back in order. pathetic from BOTH PARTIES!!

And take those damn invasion of privacy over paid and over priced sections of government out of my FREE Society! Enough is enough!! TSA and Homeland security be damned!! There’s a nice tax cut for ya!!

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Benjamin Franklin

What’s fantasy are the jobs the Republican Tea Baggers promised. What is reality are 13 abortion bills and coming close to throwing the nation into the Second Great Depression. Oh, and protecting the filthy rich “job creators” when they haven’t produced any damn jobs, but then again there have been no jobs bills because all the House can produce are abortion bills and Republican governors produce abortion bills AND anti-union bills! It’s a *wonderful* platform for right-wingers to run on. I’m sure you’ll be successful with it ;-)

This is the standard grudge of not wanting someone to make a profit off of someone else’s labor. Well, it they are manufacturing a product, it’s going to take a lot of laborers to skim off enough profit and remain competitive. That says the Leech is going to have to hire a lot of laborers to make it worthwhile. The last time I looked, that was creating jobs!
 
The alternative is for everyone to make and sell trinkets–talk about competition and a rat race.

There does come a point when Ford can not bring the price any lower, and
that stops the whole process, just like when the consumer runs out of
credit. Full stop.

It stops the whole process of buying a new car with ford. Maybe you end up with more Kias on the streets or more people buying used instead of new. Neither one of these things hurts the economy as a whole, even if it’s not so great for Ford.

I absolutely agree that the government went overboard on “the American
Dream” of home ownership, and that is not the fault of a single
political party. In fact, it is probably more the fault of the entire
housing industry and its lobby, etc.

None of the things you talk about here would have happened without the government enabling it. The domino that starts everything else is the government creating the situation with fannie & freddie so that every institution knows bad debt can eventually be paid by the taxpayer. Otherwise, no smart bank every takes the risk that they may be stuck with the hot potato. I don’t believe for a second that politicians in both parties and economists didn’t know that going in. I’m not saying that only the government was corrupt. I’m saying that the government is complicit and was required for everything else to work. It had to knowingly create the opportunity. Unless you believe it was a randomly created perfect storm.

I am a proponent of a self-imposed balanced budget. That’s the only way to ensure that scenario B never happens (again) and it’s the only way you can realistically create an environment for scenario A to be successful. There had to be a point before scenario A where the couple realized that they were borrowing too much and decided to be more responsible. So requiring that the budget be made and balanced every year is the first step to fixing the problem.

For scenario B, ruined credit is the best thing that can happen to someone whose spending is out of control. The rub comes in figuring out what is going to be repossessed, so of course the debt ceiling should be raised. Btu has the government done a good job of taking care of other problems (like spending) later? Obama insisted in that press conference that the ceiling much be raised now through the next election cycle. If that’s not trying to avoid having to deal with the bigger issue, then I don’t know what is.

Obama is such a tool. I can’t stand listening to his out right likes and distortions anymore. The only thing he knows is class warfare and scare tactic rhetoric.

A healthy cynicism is essential, but in my opinion, you go way overboard. Just remember that so long as you live in a civilized world, there will be a government, so you had better keep an eye on it if you can. If you believe your government is corrupt at all levels, start with the local level.

Don’t just blindly accuse. Investigate. You have the power and the responsibility to do that.

The debt problem has been growing for years.  It’s been greatly exacerbated by the current administration. 

To hear blame from so many on the left cast on to the “Tea Party” is with little merit  That group has been around for only a few years.  If anything, it’s a reaction to the expanding debt problem. 

But, it’s easier to cast blame and name call then it is to deal with the problem, and Obama is all about pointing a finger (yes, that finger) at someone or some group to deflect his own failure to even address the many problems of this nation.

Obama is in over his head; problem is, we’re all drowning with him as he “sinks” the nation.

The NLRB is stocked with Obama appointees and take their orders from him. The NLRB has kept Boeing from opening it’s new 1 billion dollar plant in N. Charleston effectly keeping Boeing from hiring 1,000 new employees. And how about the shovel ready jobs that were supposed to be funded, never happened. Where did that money go ?  Obama is smiling as he picks your pockets. He won’t secure the borders and prosecutes those states that try to. Bush spent 7 trillion in 8 years, Obama spent 4 1/2  trillion in 2 1/2  years and wants another 2 1/2 trillion. So Obama will spend in 2 1/2 years what Bush spent in 8. It almost seems like Bush was a real bargain.   

The HOUSE has done it’s job – several times, in fact – in passing legislation to solve the BIG GOVERNMENT debt and spending problem. But the d-cRAT socialist controlled senate and WH REFUSE to do anything constructive or specific. THERE IS STILL NO PLAN FROM OBOZO – just his usual vague platitudes and BS !!!!!!

Cut, Cap and Balance remains as the only REAL solution to America’s BIG GOVERNMENT spending and debt problem, which is why it was passed by the HOUSE with bi-partisan support.
Cut, Cap and Balance is to a lunatic-left d-cRAT socialist’s cherished BIG GOVERNMENT as a wooden stake is to a vampire.

The irresponsible defeat of Cut, Cap and Balance by the Senate d-cRAT socialists shows, once again, that these lunatic-left extremists want only to SPEND, SPEND, SPEND and TAX, TAX, TAX America into another high-tax, low-growth, no jobs, failed socialist entitlement state like Greece.

One can be certain that “YOU LIE!” obozo will do the worst possible things to inflict a petulant, spiteful, petty, mean-spirited revenge against those who won’t give him his beloved MASSIVE JOB-KILLING and ECONOMIC-GROWTH-STIFFLING TAX INCREASES, like stopping payments to the elderly, the poor and the sick and even defaulting on the debt – all without any real need to do so. Why? Because, as leftist TOOL mark halperin so aptly described him, he’s a “D-I-*-K”. I feel sorry for Speaker Boehner who has to try get this sanctimonious, demagogic, self-righteous and arrogant clown to do something constructive and beneficial for the country, which is clearly a thankless and horrifically difficult task.

Knee-jerk partisans tend to make one or more of the following assumptions:

1. Since I’m a knee-jerk partisan, everyone else must be one, too.

2. Since I believe whatever I believe, anyone who doesn’t believe it must have “drunk the kool-aid” of the “other side.”

3. Since I see myself as a reasonable and reasoning person, anyone who disagrees with me must be unreasonable or unreasoning.

4. Anyone who claims to have arrived at a different position than my own through a reasoned process is lying.

5. People who disagree with me do so because they are either stupid or duplicitous.

How do you create the box around the quote? I want to do that.

“I’m saying that the government is complicit and was required for
everything else to work. It had to knowingly create the opportunity.
Unless you believe it was a randomly created perfect storm.”

There have been many random perfect storms commonly known as economic bubbles that had nothing to do with government interference. this has happened throughout history. There was even a time when a single tulip bulb would cost thousands of dollars (equivalent) in Holland in 1593. http://www.investopedia.com/features/crashes/crashes2.asp

People need to be aware that governments actually have far LESS control over basic economic conditions than is commonly believed. Geography and nature make many decisions for us. Technology makes it possible to import things cheaply and deliver them quickly over vast distances. It would not matter that a Chinese worker can make a computer more cheaply than an American can if the transportation of that computer doubled the price and took three months to deliver. Did “government” create the cargo plane and know it would change where computers were made?

Mostly governments scramble to keep up with a changing world, not the other way around. When the politicians refuse to scramble, everybody falls behind.

Please see my reply to atreyue, above. I combine some ideas for both of you. And, I continue to say this is good debate. Thanks.

And if I changed Obama to McConnell or Cantor?

Since you seem to believe that the tax cuts are “job killers”, just where are all those JOBS that resulted from the 3 huge tax cuts for the rich that Bush did?

If they are anywhere, they are in China.  Because they sure as hell aren’t here.  The tax cuts have been in place for 10 fricking years and we don’t have an increase in jobs.

On the other hand, Clinton RAISED taxes and created 23 Million jobs.

Think about it weirdos.  You don’t have any common sense and too much allegiance to the tea party and self-destructing GOP.

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perfect storms can randomly happen. But this was not one such event. You acknowledge that it’s the fault of the housing industry and its lobby. I’m sure we would both agree that the lobby makes the first move by begging the government to make changes in order to create the environment that would allow the housing industry to pull off the scheme. I’m simply asserting that I don’t believe that the politicians were unwitting pawns or even that they’re greedy and didn’t know what the result would be. I think they were fully complicit, deregulating to start the ball rolling and making sure fannie & freddie would be there (in addition to the more commonly recognized bailouts) as a backstop when it all fell apart, which they knew was inevitable.

And I agree, government has little control over basic economic conditions. But the U.S. government has asserted control over the more complicated ones through regulation. Thus, the government can regulate the use of cargo planes and set taxes on them, while making cargo trains and trucking more attractive through the same means. Pretending that they are just trying to play catch up and are not in point of fact the architects of the economic situation is one of their most effective tools. If it was so hard for the government to affect the economy, then the stimulus bill would have been a huge waste of money, from the get-go since it’s all a crap shoot. So would cash for clunkers, the new homebuyers credit, etc. So either the government is stupid to not realize that their intervention can be useless or the government knows exactly what the outcome of their intervention will be. I submit it’s the second and the reason why is simple. No matter which party is in power, every decision leads to the same corporations raking in huge profits. If it really were a crap shoot, it wouldn’t always have the same result.

‘fright wing’.  I LOVE that.  So appropriate.  Thanks, hope you don’t mind if I use it…

‘fright wing’.  I LOVE that.  So appropriate.  Thanks, hope you don’t mind if I use it…

Was that a KOS poll or one fro MSDNC?

“What does the debt ceiling have to do with spending?”

Economics 101.

“What does the debt ceiling have to do with spending?”

Economics 101.

The NLRB has kept Boeing from opening it’s new 1 billion dollar plant in N. Charleston effectly keeping Boeing from hiring 1,000 new employees.

Umm your forgeting the 1000 that would be laid off in their current plant. it’s called union busting. google it, shouldn’t be that far reaching for you.

the rest of your story…im right there drooling with ya..

I suggest that many “Government jobs that were created  the Obama Administration’s policies are NOT jobs “after all.”

When does the job become a form of welfare?  Answer: When it cost more money to create the job, than the Jobs merit.

That is the theory and beauty of Capitalism and free enterprise.  Properly applied, without political baggage as a hindrance, “trickle economics” and the “Laffer Curve” are peerless.  

Unless, of course, you’d prefer a Politburo?  Then theory and philosophy are meaningless.

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC 

When I read idiotic responses like this, I’m SOOOO glad I’m on the side of the debate that uses independent research, rational thought and facts in making conclusions and presenting arguments.  For those who are incapable of that, there is Foxnews to tell you what to think…  And remember their repeated mantra, and I paraphrase: don’t listen to, watch or read from any other media or resources because they are all ‘liberal biased’!  That should be the first red flag that Fox and conservative media are just propagandist institutions wouldn’t you think?

Did anyone else find it ironic that man who penned the song “Revolution” was in a White House comprised of revolutionaries?

“You say you want a Revolution, well ya know, 

when you go talkin about destruction, 

Don’t ya know that you can count me out.”

LOL,  Ouch!

Sounds more like a pathology: “Paranoid delusional”…  Ouch!

have to give it to ya gurl… right on the money about tax cuts..

the rich have the lowest tax they have had in a long long time.. no jobs to show..why? let’s look back at God old mighty REAGAN halo be his name. This free trade bullshit that opened the borders to Foreign countries bringing in products without fair taxation on those products to equal the American economy. “American?” Companies exploiting this and moving the jobs offshore! While you praise God old mighty REAGAN halo be his name for the money raked in with debt high as hell, hand over fist “at” first… reap the benefits it has brought to our shores..Im sure Big Business has and continues to.

I’m no bible thumper, but your words would have made Jesus cry…  You are one sick puppy…

html tag blockquote, So either the government is stupid to not realize that their
intervention can be useless or the government knows exactly what the
outcome of their intervention will be /blockquote

 I have told my two sons as one of the primary lessons of life:

What looks like evil in this world is most often nothing more than gross stupidity. It is the rule of unintended consequences. That especially applies to governments. I am sure we can all agree that politicians can be stupid.

Try reading a book called ‘Man child in the Promised Land’. That should clear things up a bit for ya.

The country became divided the second Obama decided to run for president. He had little to do with it. You immediately wanted your country back… from whom???

I too despise the ridiculous right wing assault on English grammar and campaign to change the established and proper name of the Democratic Party…  The only good thing, is when you hear someone say Democrat Party, or democrat bill etc, you can instantly and safely assume their ‘talking point’ based argument and agenda.

“And progressives find comfort in a ideology that excuses what they’ve made of their lives”

What exactly have “they” made of their lives that they need excuses for?  All the wealthy states are blue.  All the poor states, red.  Now tell me, what have they made of their lives that they need excuses for?

Another good one!  The effects of the teabagger movement in Congress surely can be likened to terrorism.

what are you talking about?  You racist bigot!  

I don’t know where you get your data, but it is so far off it is funny.  Clinton not only left a budget surplus when he left office, but he was able to dwindle some off the national debt left by Reagan and Bush sr.  The national debt when Bush took office was $5.6 Trillion.  When he left office, it was $10.7 Trillion PLUS he had saddled the incoming administration with a $1.3 Trillion in debt from the bailouts etc, PLUS he had encumbered them to pay for the Medicare Part D, 2 wars and exttreme tax cuts.  Don’t forget – he didn’t include the 2 wars in any of his budget not to mention the HUGE INTEREST his tax cuts and debt put on the backs of future generations.
So in all honesty, he left us owing a minimum of $12.5 Trillion when he left office.

Don’t you find it rather strange that there was no complaint from the Tea Party when Bush and his republican congress were spending like drunk sailors?

That’s okay – they won’t have any bridges or roads that are decent to drive that F`150 on anyway.  So, you think you will fly instead?  think again.  The air traffic controllers will be one of the first jobs furloughed as will all those security people at the airport.

You want less government?  Well, the less will be NONE.

So, what is the difference between a democracy and a fascist government?  In a democracy, they compromise.  A fascist isn’t willing to compromise. 

Maybe you need to check out history as to Fannie and freddie.  They were doing just fine until May 17,2002 when George W Bush made a deal with them to lower their lending standards to allow “buyers with bad credit or no down payment” to purchase a home.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc4KprmcYnU

So what you’re saying is that there are no poor progressives? If all the wealth is concentrated in a very few, then that would mean that the majority of people in wealthy states are democrat? Each person only gets one vote, no matter how wealthy they are. Those states being blue would seem to indicate that the not wealthy want more of a cut of the money when they get to see the fruits of it. Or did I miss something?

So what you’re saying is that there are no poor progressives? If all the wealth is concentrated in a very few, then that would mean that the majority of people in wealthy states are democrat? Each person only gets one vote, no matter how wealthy they are. Those states being blue would seem to indicate that the not wealthy want more of a cut of the money when they get to see the fruits of it. Or did I miss something?

the Tea party didn’t exist. Unfortunately, people usually only start to pay attention when things get really bad. Hopefully they don’t stop once a republican gets elected. You know, kinda like so many democrats raging over Bush’s wars and Guantanamo stopped once Obama got in office…

Not totally true, check history…it was the large spending at the end of the Bush era that helped to create the Tea Party.  As I said, the record spending of Bush has been well surpased by the Obama administration and even more so when “Nancy” and “Harry” were in charge of both houses of the congress even before and after Obama came into office.  The last congresional election altered that with the GOP taking the House.

There were “complaint[s]” about Bush’s spending in the early stages (still are) from many in the almost three-year-old Tea Party, also it really is not a political party it the truest sense.

Right. Because so many bridges and roads are in disrepair. Someone should check and see what the local governments with those problems are actually spending their money on instead. When I see someone who’s losing their home to foreclosure because they can’t pay their mortgage and they’ve got flat panel TVs, full cable & internet and a car purchased new in the last 5 model years, I don’t feel so bad for them anymore. Not to mention the fact that they shouldn’t be stupid enough to buy something they can’t realistically afford just because someone was willing to loan them the money for it. I don’t look at that person and say “Oh, the evil banks!” They should be responsible for their own budgeting and accept the consequences of their mistakes. Does that mean I think the government shouldn’t exist or have no money? No. But they should always be held accountable, not just on your partisan schedule.

The point I want to make is that equally qualified economists can and do
recommend totally opposite solutions to social problems and never be
certain about the result until 18 months later. It is a well known
principle of economics called a J curve. And, then the economists will
argue about whether government should have done more or less to get a
better result.

I never mentioned economists because they pretend to be a science yet can’t accurately predict the market, only attempt to explain what happened after the fact, as you said. Do you think that the lobbyists and the housing industry knew what the outcome of what they were lobbying for would be? Or what they would do once their lobby was successful. I do. I don’t think it was an unintended result. So I’m trying to figure out where you think the stupidity started, with the housing industry or the politicians. Because I’m having real trouble seeing the stupidity of the whole thing, since all the complicit parties got away with it. Bush served all 8 years, the people behind fannie & freddie in congress are still there for the most part, only Chris Dodd was scapegoated, and that wasn’t only for this, the corporations got bailed out and continue to get bailed out by fannie & freddie, who got blank checks from the government. Those are all the most fortuitous coincidences ever. And I just can’t believe that the same politicians who are geniuses when they are doing what we want are just stupid when they do what we don’t. At what point do we consider that just maybe they’re dishonest? Do you think that you would have been able to reasonably predict what was going to happen if you we aware of the things the lobby was asking for?

Maybe you need to check out history as to Fannie and freddie.  They were
doing just fine until May 17,2002 when George W Bush made a deal with
them to lower their lending standards to allow “buyers with bad credit
or no down payment” to purchase a home.

Maybe you need to check out history as to my posts just here in this topic and find where I say “Democrats bad, Republicans good!” If you want to play partisan games, play with yourself. Just one question: what did Bush do? Sounds from your clip like he made a propsal to congress that congress passed. The executive can’t make laws or give fanny & freddie money or make fanny & freddie do what he wants. That’s under congress’ jurisdiction. Should Bush share in the blame? Of course. Should everyone else who signed off on it or gave fanny & freddie additional funds in after 9/17/2002? Yes. Does this have anything to do with what we’re talking about? No. Thanks for playing.

Unfortunately, I don’t have the time to investigate all over the country, I can only speak to the places I’ve lived, where this is true. I urge you to investigate in your area and those near you to see which is true. If your local government shows these same signs of corruption, vote them out. You also have the power and responsibility to investigate instead of blindly accepting.

This is a long thread and getting jumbled. I will try to cover several items.

Sorry for any implication that you are liberal or conservative. That was a one-time failure to use the full phrase “conservative or liberal,” as I usually do.

It is my opinion that lobbyists are generally more prone to be “evil” than politicians are. If I must say “Here is the bad guy!” I will look at the lobbyist first on two grounds. First, he/she is paid to concentrate on the benefit of a single group and use whatever wiles he/she has to be convincing. Second, the lobbyist has only one issue and plenty of time to concentrate on it, while the elected politician is expected to be expert on every issue before the congress, if only enough to make a reasoned vote on each and every item. Thus, for any political “crime” a lobbyist has the means, motive, and opportunity.

This does not mean that politicians are all good (on every issue). It does mean that an honest politician can be fooled or distracted, but a lobbyist is paid not to be fooled or distracted. On the other hand, I am sure that many a politician is every bit as complicit as the lobbyist. Either way, perfect results require perfect honest and perfect planning. Is it any wonder that there is no perfection in government?

Note: Many lobbyists are honest. Many politicians are honest. One can no more ban lobbyists than one can ban politicians. Whatever your race, religion, sex, age, occupation, or interest, there is a paid lobbyist working for you! (Even if you don’t authorize it and don’t know it.)

I’m sure you are right about lobbyists. I just don’t blame them more than politicians. A lobbyist is supposed to be focused on their narrow agenda. Whether they are honest or try to bribe, it’s the politician’s job to research before acting and it should be the job of congress to ensure honest debate and deliberation before taking action. The congress needs to be far more transparent to the people so that things don’t sneak up on the public. When politicians start saying things like “You’ll find out what’s in the bill after it’s passed”, that politician should never be re-elected to any office again. I honestly believe that the system can work when dialogue is open and issues are addressed in a timely fashion to promote open dialogue and careful thought in full view of the public.

That quote about not knowing what is in the bill until it is passed was a very clumsy thing for Pelosi to say. Very clumsy and very bad politically.

Here is what she should have said:
The bill is still in negotiations. We know we will get it passed because the main points are resolved, but there are many details still being ironed out. As soon as they are resolved, we will bring the bill to a full vote. Then I will be able to give you all the details.

I believe that was what she meant to say. Make sense to you?

Take for example, military jobs. All are prima facie economic waste. They produce no products and when they are actually “working,” they produce death and destruction. The only good thing about paying a soldier is that the money circulates when he buys food for his family and an iPod for himself.

A tank is a pure waste of money since it generally sits around doing nothing. When it is used in training it consumes vast amounts of fuel. Its only purpose is more death and destruction. When it fires its ammunition in training or in combat, the ammunition is destroyed and another economic loss. The same goes for bombs dropped from airplanes and rockets fried from helicopters. All loss and no economic gain. A modern tank costs more than 100 commercial trucks, and then some.

A commercial truck, on the other hand, produces tremendous economic value as it is used day in and day out to transport goods from factories to stores or from farms to graininess, etc. A truck can produce thousands of times more economic value than the cost of making it does.

A capitalist knows there is more profit in making tanks. An economist knows that too, but he also knows that trucks are better overall. If he works for a government contractor, he will recommend building tanks. In any other situation, he will recommend building trucks. 

You mean the Beatles song?

YES… The irony is as thick as 20 W50

YES… The irony is as thick as 20 W50

Where is the White House connection? John Lennon was in the White House, or was it George or Paul who wrote it?

Paul and John are credited with the song. The event I am referring to was the Gala Affair when McCartney suggested that Bush hardly ever read books? I have always loved the Beatles, but that moment, indeed, contained “irony.” LOL

As you may be aware, I like to insert poems, lyrics and quotes into the fray? Sometimes trivia questions, usually easily Googled. Here is one you may not have noticed and given your background…

What does Bob Dole and a ski run a Vail Colorado have in common? (The run’s name is “Riva Ridge”)

Thanks. I  see the connection now.
The sum of the song is I’m all for change, but no violence. More suited to Obama, no?

I don’t have a problem with the phrasing of Pelosi’s statement, since both are the same thing even if what she said doesn’t sound as nice, it’s more honest. But it does not make sense to me. What I am saying is that the public should know well in advance of a vote. Not even 24 hours. More like a week. There’s no reason that this couldn’t have happened. Plans could have been put on the table and made public in advance of Town Hall summer (as I like to call it). Then every congressman could have discussed specifics with their constituents instead of their talking points.