For elderly farts like Ron Paul, a “chickenhawk” is an old homosexual who preys on boys.

What does Ron Paul know?

angry b@tch? Bwahahhahahahahaha Your fat boy got owned! 

Only a small percentage of Americans ever serve in the military, and name calling like that is not necessary.

The shoe fits.

Gloves Lucas Donahue: Yeah, but those same Americans aren’t going to personally send us off to war with Iran. So, it does matter.

Killin’ is so cool.  You know, ’cause they’re different.

Petraeus/McCrystal 2012.

I have someone going to Afghanistan in May. I want everybody out 8 years ago.

Just ask a Libyan!

…Obama. Gingrich never sent anyone to war.

Not yet, but he’s working on it. And, I agree, yes, Obama too.

Sounds like you should be voting for Ron Paul, then. 

Maybe I”m a chicken, because I’m starting to fall in love with Ron Paul.

Give ‘em Hell, Ron !

You’re showing your ignorance, again.

The term refers to someone who advocates for war, and has no problem sending our kids to war, but who dodged service when they had a chance to fight themselves.

It’s not specifically about whether you have sent somebody to war or not.

Gingrich is a Neocon who has CHEERLEADS for war. Who brags about our military might. And not just in one international situation. But with all of our world conflicts.

Obama advocated for finishing Afghanistan, and for getting out of Iraq, and for finding diplomatic situations to our other conficts.

He’s also increased our targeted drone strikes which avoids American causalities.

I think that’s pretty consistent with his own non-military service.

Nobody is suggesting that you must serve in the military to be President. And the Constitution doesn’t say that either.

Fair enough.

But Obama will be shutting down Afghanistan in his second term, too.

My little brother was in Iraq.

But the worst thing we can do is choose our presidents based on who was or was not a war general.

Ever Eisenhower would agree with me on that.

Newt and the neocons were FOR intervening in Libyan. 

No, wait. They were against it.

It’s so hard to keep track, since you guys change your positions every 24 hours like cycles of the moon.

That’s fair enough.  I don’t think Obama is a hawk like Gingrich and Santorum, but there’s a lot of room in between. And I certainly agree with your last point. But, like you say, when you are actively “cheerleading” for war, the gloves are off and your service is indeed relevant.

I dont like Ron Paul but he is on point with this one.  100% on point.

Obama advocated for finishing Afghanistan, and for getting out of
Iraq, and for finding diplomatic situations to our other conficts.

Obama added 60,000 troops to Afghanistan, went to war (without Congressional authorization) in Libya, followed Bush’s Iraq withdrawal plan to the letter and just put our boys’ boots on the ground in Uganda.

He’s a chickenhawk if ever there was one.

Chickenhawk isn’t a strong enough word.  Newt is fascist madman.  Most Republicans are.

“Dr. Paul has a long history of saying things that are inaccurate and false,” Gingrich hit back. “The fact is, I never asked for a deferment… I personally resent the kind of comments and aspersions he routinely makes without accurate information and then just slurs people with.”
 ——

The text left out that after that Newt said he didnt go because he had a wife and child. Then Ron PAul came back with a slam dunk saying i had a wife and two kids and i still went.

Funny how that is left out of the text part of the article

You know who was for bombing Libya? The guy who ordered it, Barack Obama. Those neocons, huh?

Getting Osama Bin Laden and 22 out of the top 30 Al-Qaeda leaders don’t qualify him as a Chickenhawk.  Now Cheney who advocated going to with war in Iran, Iraq, Russia, Pakistan, and China and others qualify as a five deferment chicken-hawk, even Bush stopped listening to him at the end of his term.   

I think Ron won. He made everybody else look silly.  

Ah, so you don’t know what the word means? Interesting. As are your Cheney delusions.

I do like Ron Paul and you’re right. He’s 100% on point.

You forgot to add most “liberals and progressives” to the list of who’s a fascist.

Fascism, like “liberalism and progressivism”, supports a socially united, collective national society and opposes socially divided class based societies and socially divided individualist based society.

“Liberals and progressives” are by their very nature fascists.

Ron Paul knows what he’s talking about. He doesn’t change positions like the other candidates. I hope he can get second in New Hampshire and move forward in the next debate.

Newt Gingrich is the Cowardly Lion in this race. He needs
to man up, stop whining, and follow the sage advice of an earlier besieged
presidential candidate for whom he has expressed great admiration­, Harry S
Truman:

“If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.”

Instead he just stood there on the GOP debate stage, along with Romney,
Santorum and Perry, screaming “I do believe in nukes, I do believe in
nukes, I do, I do, I do, believe in nukes!”

Ron Paul
had an impressive show of support in Iowa, earning the same number of delegates
as the other top tier. He is demonstrating that his great appeal continues
onward into New Hampshire and South Carolina. This is because of all the
candidates only he has repeatedly spoken out clearly and forcefully against the
belligerent war propaganda and calculated lies in the bipartisan lead up to war
with Iran, against the bipartisan campaign for punitive sanctions against Iran,
and against further covert operations to destabilize the fragile geopolitical situation
in the Mideast.

Ron Paul
is not afraid to speak truth to power, which is why he is greatly admired by
stalwart GOP conservatives, grass-roots tea party activists, independents, and
disillusioned Obama Democrats. Accordingly the veteran Air Force flight surgeon
Ron Paul receives more financial contributions and support from present active
duty military personnel than all other Republicans candidates combined. They
know he has seen first-hand the ravages and toil of combat and as presidential
commander-in-chief will not carelessly place them in harm’s way in no-win wars.
President Paul will only commit combat troops with the proper constitutional
declaration of war and the full support of the American people.

Never
forget that these same duplicitous chickenhawk jihadists (Gingrich, Romney,
Santorum) beat the propaganda war drums of “weapons of mass destruction” in the
failed war in Iraq. The American people know the bitter tragedy of war. They
are tired of being lied to about these futile conflicts in Iraq and
Afghanistan. It is their sons and daughters, husbands and wives, who were
seriously maimed, irreparably disabled, and needlessly killed, never to return
physically or psychologically intact as they were when they marched off to
these egregious follies.

The
principled constitutionalist and noninterventionist Paul was right from the
start about our disastrous preemptive imperial wars in Afghanistan and Iraq,
right from the start about the destructive ‘blowback’ fomenting more hatred
directed towards America, right from the start about the Federal Reserve’s
monetary policies creating the housing bubble which led to the 2008 financial
meltdown, right from the start about the War on Drugs, the USA Patriot Act and
the TSA imposing a police state upon the American people.

They were for it before they were against it. 

Gotta love those John Kerry lines, huh?

Fascistism is where corporations take over the government. Neo-Cons are considered Fascists.  

You have no idea what fascism really is do you?
Fascism is about collectivism. The only “people” who preach collectivism are “liberals and progressives”.

But whatever I’ll bite. If what you say is right than what corporation took over Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy? Clearly you know something the rest of us don’t. (snicker)

This is the point where Ron Paul makes them all look like a bunch of amateurs! Go Ron!

tageted drone strikeds???we have killed hundreds of innicent citizens and we are not even suppose to be at war..no declaration of war in pakistan.obama not endung afghan war for another two years.you are delusional

I’ve read up on Communism and Fascism. Mussolini was a true Fascists and basically invented it.  Nazi Germany wasn’t really Fascism. Nazism condone liberalism.  Corporations control the state which outlawed unions and other social liberties.

Yeah, good thinkin’.

Interesting question is why don’t any competent veterans run for president anymore? Is it such a pain in the ass? What happened to the 4 star generals who use to run?

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Yeah, Pablo, we saw that the first time you wrote it. And the second time. Everybody agrees Obama’s a chicken hawk too, only not so much as Gingrich because there was no draft when Obama was eligible. But Obama DID inherit a couple wars, where Gingrich wants to start new ones. 

Paul responded: “When I was drafted, I was married and had two kids and I went.”

Why didn’t you qualify, Newt?

Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis) is the belief in the importance of liberty and equal rights. Fascists oppose marriage equality, civil rights legislation, the Dream Act, freedom of religion (except Christianity), and a woman’s right to choose.

You didn’t answer the question. What corporation controlled Italy and Germany? Because I was under the impression that Hitler controlled both Germany and Italy.
And before you say so, Mussolini was just Hitler’s puppet. He didn’t control anything.

You should also know that the liberalism of then is not the same as the “liberalism” of now. “Liberals” of today want a powerful centralized government that is ruled by a powerful leader who holds value of the collective over the individual.
That is exactly like the fascists of Italy. The word for fascist in Italian is fascismo, which is derived from the word fasico, which means bundle (of sticks) in english. The fasico (bundle of sticks) was used to symbolize the importance of the collective over the individual in fascist Italy. Today, the Italians will use the term fasico when describing a group, band, league or union.

Liberals of then believed in maximum personal and economic liberty. Today those liberals are called libertarians and they, we, are nothing like the so called “liberals” of today. Modern “liberals” are authoritarian just like the fascist of WW2 era Italy.

So as you can see, modern “liberalism” is the really the continued existence of Italian fascism. Anyone who calls him/her self a “liberal”  is also calling themselves a fascist.

lol…Chickenhawk (also chicken hawk and chicken-hawk) is a political epithet used in the United States to criticize a politician, bureaucrat, or commentator who strongly supports a war or other military action, yet who actively avoided military service when of age.

your IQ is too low.

Gingrich wants to kill American children in wars, but he doesnt want to fight himself.

coward draft dodger newt gingrich.

Staci Chase is stupid Idiot.

Obama = Cheney = Bush, they are all chickenhawks.

Puppets of federal reserve, they all want to send american children to war.

 American soldiers got OBL and Al-Qaida, not Obama.

It was supposed to be the Newt show. He was going to beech slap Mitt so hard that he wouldn’t know what hit him.

Instead, Ron spanked them all like school boys.

you’re just lying

Obama did not “go to war” in Libya.

Pablo, you wouldn’t know a fact if Ron Paul spanked you with one.

if it’s easy to know what a Republican position is.

Just find out what Obama’s position is, and their position is the opposite.

Rightwingers have absolutely no intellectual integrity, just BS and bile…

and they think just because the average republican voter will believe anything an authority figure tells them, that the rest of us will believe it too

if you ignore the definition of chicken hawk, you could definitely call Obama one too.

But if you go by the definition, Newt and Cheney are 5-Star General Chicken Hawks and Obama is just a buck private

I like Ron Paul.

He definitely kicked butt and took names.I just don’t care for a lot of his lunatic supporters.I’m not saying you are one of them, but there are far too many for comfort.

Why did you have to throw in the nonsense about fascists opposing freedom of religion except for Christianity?

It undercuts your credibility.

(and the Dream Act and the woman’s right to choose?)

It’s pretty clear now Paul is the only serious candidate after last nights debate. Hedge fund bailouts, campaigned for the draft and then ran to France to dodged it during vietnam. Romney’s like a torture victim waiting for the end.

Barry, you moron, when you’re lobbing cruise missiles at the armed forces of another nation, you’re at war. And I notice you’re not arguing the other three facts on offer.

Clearly, it’s OK, whatever it is, as long as your guy is responsible.

On the contrary, Barry, whatever Obama’s position is, you support it.

Obama could have served and he didn’t. And now he’s sending our forces to fight. He’s a chickenhawk.

Paul wasn’t drafted. So, that’s kind of a lie, isn’t it? You don’t get drafted into being an Air Force Flight Surgeon.

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Because that was government policy at the time. Do some research and inform yourself, instead of posturing in ignorance.

Or is your position that everyone without exception should VOLUNTEER for military service? Are you a supporter of the viciously immoral notion of “national service?” Are you attacking and dismissing a good man just because, like the -vast- majority of the rest of the population of the United States, he didn’t *volunteer* to join the armed forces?

Since when has making the choice to serve in the military become a prerequisite for political office in the USA? You might want to remind yourself that we have a principle here that the military serves under CIVILIAN authority, and not the other way around.

You people make me ill.

So, FDR was a chickenhawk?

Is Ron Paul lying about being drafted?  This is a post from another board- it sounds factual- and it worth following up on- I just dont have the time:

“In 1963, when Ron Paul entered into military service, he could not have been drafted. Local draft board where taking only men between 18 1/2 to 25 years old. Ron Paul was 27. They also did not draft married men. And Ron Paul was married. They also did not draft men to be officers and flight surgeons. In fact, only about 200,000 men were drafted between 1962 to 1963. Finally at that time, men were drafted into the Army, they were never drafted into the Air Force. In fact even through out the Vietnam War, the Air Force never had a manpower shortage and never used the draft to fill up its ranks.”

I would have to say that if those facts are true Ron Paul is done.  I think Paul is too smart to lie about being drafted if he volunteered for the Air Force.  I hope for his sake the above facts are incorrect. 

Yah- if Paul claimed to get drafted when he in fact volunteered for the Air Force- that is a pretty big lie. 

He left Newt, Chickenhawk, Gingrich standing in a puddle of his own urine. classic moment!

My deceased husband was in the Army at the same time that Ron Paul was in the Air Force. He was a second Lt. in the infantry, but never went past Fort Knox. At the time Ron Paul was drafted, he was already a medical doctor and was in NO JEOPARDY of being sent to war. He was an Air Force flight surgeon for two years. At the time, everyone knew that being a doctor or in the JAG as a lawyer was the best deal you could get- unless you were Al Gore.

Ron Paul is disingenuous when he accuses Gingrich or anyone else, for that matter, of being a “chickenhawk.” 

He also tried to slander Rick Perry about military service at one of the debates, until he found out that Perry had served in the Air Force and flown large planes for several years- Perry had VOLUNTEERED. 

Did Ron Paul’s medical education at Duke get paid for by the U.S. military? I’d like to know.

He went into the Air Force as a flight surgeon- he wasn’t exactly in harm’s way.

Did his funds for medical school at Duke come from the government? If so, he would have been REQUIRED to put in his time.

how many troops on the ground did we have in libya? pulled out troops in afganistan, pulled out troops in Iraq after john mccain and others said we should have them there indefinitely. Remember dick cheney criticizing the pull out? 

how many troops were on the ground in libya?

obama must’ve got us into some sort of quagmire like bush right? no, as soon as the mission was over he ordered us to stop with libya. End of story pablo. 

Nazism valued nationalism, the oppression of minorities by the state, and a system of total war, not unlike the idea of the war on terror. Very much in the conservative vain of thought.

“You should also know that the liberalism of then is not the same as the “liberalism” of now. “Liberals” of today want a powerful centralized government that is ruled by a powerful leader who holds value of the collective over the individual. ”who the hell is advocating a strong leader type? It’s the republicans who’ve been advocating for a strong authoritative executive in the vain of Reagan to come back to the white house.

How dare Newt deny this charge?

The facts are there. The definition of a chickenhawk is there plain as day. The facts match the definition. Newt IS a spineless evil little chickenhawk who supports endless wars in which OTHER people go and give their lives in the belief they’re doing the right thing in serving their country, when people like Newt create lies to justify the wars.

Nothing makes me so angry as gutless pieces like Newt, with no morals whatsoever, cheerfully and on the basis of lies sending people to their early deaths at 19 or 20.

Newt is one sick fat little smugmuffin.

he served his country which is way more than newt or just about anyone else on that stage can say. 

What war are you referring to? Not WW1 I assume, as FDR would have been too old to have been called up. Was there an earlier war you are referring to or just bomb throwing?

I also place WW2 as a different sort of war. I know that sounds like I’m being hypocritical but hear me out. WW2 is literally the only war I know of that was fully justified as was really a case of good vs evil. The wars of the 21st century in particular have NOT been justified, but rather based on lies and shady deals. I believe all the other wars of history weren’t fully justified either.

Well, I was glad to hear Dr. Paul get the last word with “FAT Boy”.

I agree with him.  I didn’t but my father did don’t cut it with me.  Besides, a person that cannot control their eating should not be President.  Lack of discipline.

As to drafted.  The military will draft any CRITICAL need.  If it was in need of doctors and not enough voluntaries, you bet they draft them. Don’t matter about rules, etc. They got to have them , they draft them.

You’ve confused the meaning of the term chickenhawk. From what you say your argument for one half of the chickenhawk definition – the chicken part – is not even well established. You say he was already a doctor when he was called up so was in no danger. So what? It’s not like he became a doctor to avoid service! So fail on the chicken part.

To be a chickenhawk you need to be both chicken and hawk. Without the hawk part there is no chickenhawk! There is absolutely NO doubt; Paul is NOT a hawk. He is the opposite of a hawk. He wants the US out of these endless idiotic wars, as he said, he feels sick sending people off to die. He is probably the most anti-war person in congress.

So he’s no chickenhawk. I’m not even a Paul supporter, but had to defend him here. Makes me sick to see someone smearing him with that when he’s not.

Paul received a draft letter from the army and once there he was told he could either
enter the army as a private or volunteer and be an officer. Newt Gingrich replied with “I wasn’t qualified for the draft.” So, no, it’s not a lie.

I am not generally a Ron Paul person, but he is completely correct on this issue and he made Gingrich look like a fool (with a lot of help from Gingrich).

It should be a very big, important decision
before we as a country go to war. These armchair warriors appear to be eager to
spill American blood for what? First and foremost we need Congress to approve
our soldiers going to war (it is unconstitutional otherwise!). Secondly, we
need to go to war with a plan to win quickly and then get out. Our soldiers are
puppets for Wallstreet and someone else’s best interest. We need a Commander in
Chief that respects the sacrifice made by our Armed Forces (whether they served
or not).

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WRONG! Rick Perry served in the Air Force and was a pilot.

Try to check your facts before you post.

I still wonder if Ron Paul had his medical education paid for by the government. If he did, then he would have been REQUIRED to serve.

The mission was to establish a No Fly Zone. He told us we’d be involved for “days, not weeks”. Both lies. And the story is not over.

If you volunteer, you didn’t get drafted. If you’re an officer, which he was, you didn’t get drafted. He didn’t get drafted, so saying he did is a lie.

How many U.S. troops were killed in Libya?….Get back to me with an answer.

I actually have some personal experience about the military draft
because I was in the middle of my medical training during the Cuban
crisis. I was a resident for a hospital in 1962 when the crisis broke
out. I got a note that said I would be drafted into the army as a buck
private unless I wanted to volunteer,
then I could be a doctor and I could be a captain. So guess what? I
became a volunteer, and I kid about that, but it was rather serious. I
was not too happy about going in, but it must not have bothered me too
much, because I ended up staying in the Air National Guard afterwards.

http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-02-12/ron-paul-on-the-draft/

Paul was not drafted, period.

“I never asked for a deferment..”  Ha.  No, you were a big fatty too concened with boning your fatty H.S. math teacher.  The only conquesting was for your own jollys…Other guys your age are getting killed…youre getting tail.  Must be nice.

Wrong. They draft privates. Did you just make that up, or did someone actually tell you that?

Ron Paul joined in 1963. The draft didn’t start until 1964, by which time Paul was married with kids and employed. He would have been last on the list, like Gingrich was. He was not “going to be drafted if he didn’t volunteer”. He’s lying.

He went.  Period.

Oh, Paul was also 29 in 1964, while draftees were 18-25.

Went where, period?

And when did you serve, mosesdinoark?

He had a Devil’s choice…be drafted or volunteer…He went.  He served.  Newt boned his fat math teacher.

No, he didn’t have that choice. He lied about that.

Ahhh Pablo my son, you are king of the logical fallacy.  Im not sending kids to to be killed in illegal wars.  If I served has nothing to do with it.

You cant period a question old man.

And the “went” is into the Air Force.

He got the letter, he got drafted. Not a lie. Period.

Read you own post below here dummy…”I got a note that said I would be drafted into the army as a buck private unless i wanted to volunteer..”
That sounds like a choice (if crappy) to me.

key word, just about anyone. The main candidates that he’s competing against, santorum, gingrich, and romney have never seen combat but are more than willing to put our troops in harms way. how typically hypocritical for chickenhawks. 

“The mission was to establish a No Fly Zone. He told us we’d be involved for “days, not weeks”. Both lies. And the story is not over.” how many gop senators supported the mission and then when obama decided to do it changed their minds? more hypocritical nonsense. And anyways there’s a big difference between the timeline of the libya campaign compared to bush saying the troops will be home by Christmas and it taking  
8 years before we pull them out. Face it, you support liars and hypocrites just admit it pablo. 

Wrong..you are a true Repug who facts are but an annoyance to…the draft never went away..even in peace time..Elvis was drafted in 58..we were not at war with anyone in 58..Im sure you remember Elvis, dont you gramps?

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

What do you base this “more than willing to put troops in harm’s way” on? Quotes, please.

No he didn’t. There were no letters in 1963, and if there had been he would have been one of the very last people to get one.

The Air Force isn’t a place. Vietnam is a place. Where did he go, period?

He didn’t get that note. He’s lying about that too.

It’s absolutely necessary. Hypocritical cowards need to have the mirror shoved into their faces.  And btw, Gingrich didn’t have to wait to be drafted.  He could have volunteered.  John Kerry did. So did John McCain.

Elvis was single, childless and 18-25 in 1958. Paul was none of those in 1963.

Neither is Gingrich, fool. So, when did you serve?

Obama is, though. When did he serve?

Your question to Moses should be did you ever defer military service like Newt!!

“Gingrich received a draft deferment during the Vietnam War owing to the fact that he was studying at the time in Tulane University and he had children. In addition, he was also impaired with short-sightedness and had flat feet (pes planus).”

http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Military.php

Those “kids” volunteered to serve…Moses.
To condemn their service shines a bad light on you.
Try appreciating their sacrifices instead of trashing someone who has fought for your right to post your hate here.

to answer your question pablo, there are no direct quotes on military action Iran. However, the language of the candidates has suggested that they would in fact use violent means to topple the regime. Santorum has suggested bombing runs, while gingrich wishes to replace the entire regime. Same language neocons used right before we invaded Iraq. 

Actually, it WAS a big lie, since Ron Paul was trying to equate Gingrich’s not being drafted with his own military service. If Ron Paul contractually agreed to have his medical school education paid for in return for military service, then he is making fraudulent claims about his own military service and trying to slander Gingrich at the same time.

You teabaggers are now trying to change the definition of what a chickenhawk is and it won’t work.  What war or military service did President Obama avoid with deferments?  Being a chickenhawk isn’t determined by not volunteering to go into service during peace time, it’s determined by actively avoiding service and the draft during a military conflict or wartime when you’re eligible and of age to serve, then cheerleading or sending others to war.  So stop lying right now dumbass.

FDR was the Assistant Secretary of the Navy during World War 1, and in general tried to avoid war with the Axis until we were attacked on our soil.

“Ron Paul is disingenuous when he accuses Gingrich or anyone else, for that matter, of being a “chickenhawk.” 

I’m not a Ron Paul supporter but he has every right to call out Cheney, Gingrich, and any chickenhawk he feels like because he served his country when called.  Ron Paul is in no way, shape, or form a chickenwawk and you’re disgusting for insenuating in any form otherwise.  

It doesn’t matter dumbass, he served his country! Being a doctor was no gurantee of not being placed in harm’s way.  When his number came up he answered and didn’t try to find a way out.

If he got a draft letter he was drafted regardless of how you try to lie and spin it dumbass.

You’re so mixed up in your lies you’re contradicting your own post.

In case you don’t know, Vietnam had NOT ramped up when Ron Paul was on active duty and flight surgeons were NOT combat officers. My husband was a 2nd Lt. in the infantry and was never even sent overseas. You have to look at the context- Korea was over and Vietnam was not yet consuming the number of troops it did ultimately. Ron Paul was born in 1937 and was in his late twenties when he finished med school and went into the service. I’d bet dollars to donuts he went in because he owed the service after having his medical school education financed by the government. It would be interesting to find out.

Yes they “volunteered” to serve as Cheneys pawns for his own whims and gains.  I didnt need anyone to protect me from Iraq.

That is not relevant….They still preserve your right to speak and live freely.
You have done NOTHING to preserve them

Ron Paul a 12 term congressman whom has NEVER ONCE
voted to increase taxes, has had consistent policy positions from the
start. The other candidates simply say what the voters want to hear. Ron
Paul warned us about the housing bubble, the debt crisis, the collapse
of the US dollar, the high employment and recessions; basically, the
entire collapse of our economy. He is the only candidate who can get us
out of our mess.

Ron Paul is a patriot who has honorably served his country as a
flight surgeon, defends both the constitution and civil liberties, and
is for peace and prosperity. Paul has the wisdom, foresight, honesty and
integrity to be president.

Mitt Romney does not where he stands on any issue; Rick Perry does not know very much; John Huntsman
has worked for Democrats for many years; Rick Santorum is an extremist;
and Newt Gingrich is philosophically unanchored, an unstable element.

America Needs Ron Paul.

F.D.R. was crippled and wheel chair bound.

No war is justified unless you are attacked. Iran may be the next war because our stupid government has placed sanctions on Iran’s oil exports and Iran threatened to close the straights of Hormuz in retaliation. 20% of the worlds oil is shipped through the straight of Hormez, including Iran’s oil. The leadership of our nation is trying to start another war and gas prices will soar. Iran does not have a nuclear weapon and no solid proof that they desire one. Iran does not have a refinery to process their own oil, they must import fuel. They want nuclear power to generate electricty. We have been lied to, too many times by our government. The only person that can stop this insanity is Ron Paul.

Definitely the most bad ass moment in the debates that I’ve seen so far.

Ron Paul owned the slimy newt, especially at the end. 

Who are you “GENERALLY” a supporter of?

Urm, “in general tried to avoid war” 

I’m no expert in History, heck I’m a Brit but I do know that FDR was an agressive imperialistic pushing wars like the spanish american war.

That doesn’t in any way diminish his service in the Air Force, way to insult the millions of veterans who weren’t in what you consider to be “harm’s way”.

Disingenuous is incorrect. Don’t forget Ron Paul is a medical doctor, he saved lives of injured soldiers. When it comes down too it, saving lives is equally important to killing enemies. He provided many soldiers with a second chance at life and a great service to his country when before he already had established a prosperous medical practice.

They edited out the best part where Newt lies about not being eligible for the draft because he had a young kid. That’s why Ron Paul comments at the end about being drafted with two kids.

Paul never served in a war zone, as a flight surgeon on a USAF Air Training Command pilot training base in Texas, his primary job would have been to give physicals to pilot training candidates. A far cry from saving the lives of injured soldiers! Under the terms of the medical draft of the era, MD’s could be drafted to serve. The were normally commissioned as a First Lieutenant, sent to a 2 week long “teach them how to salute school” and given a duty assignment. This is a far cry from those drafted as enlisted men in the Army or USMC. Also, Paul was drafted in the early 60′s before JFK died and the war in Viet Nam had not escalated past the point of advisors serving there.

Uhhhh! Because it isn’t true, for starters? Newt didn’t dodge the draft! He never applied for a deferment, he didn’t have to, like all married men at the time he became eligible for the draft he had been automatically exempted from it by President John F. Kennedy. At the time Newt got married in 1962, most people hadn’t heard of Vietnam and the number of US troops serving there (advisors) was less than 3,000. He must have had incredible insight to have gotten married and started an undergrad program to avoid service in a war that we hadn’t really started to fight in earnest. (refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System ) History section. The main exception to the married exemption was for MD’s like Ron Paul.

As a military veteran with service spanning more than 2 decades, let me clear up something for you. Calling anyone in uniform “a child” is insulting, demeaning and dangerous! I would have pitied anyone who would have tried it on me when I first began my time in service back in the 70′s when I was 19 and didn’t have the self control I have now! We would have had to done a 3 legged hop to the nearest proctologist to remove my size 13 boot from where I would have planted it! Please have respect for our servicemen and women. Have you ever served in the military, I doubt it! We aren’t quick to throw terms like coward around too quickly. I was too young to serve in Southeast Asia when it was a hot war, but most of the guys I served with didn’t have too many unkind words to say for the ones who legally avoided serving there or even the ones that went to jail for not going. Usually only those who left the ones who fled to Canada or Sweden had to worry about being badmouthed.  Did you fight in Vietnam? the Cold War? Desert Storm? Iraq? Afghanistan? or served in any of the other wonderful places our country has seen fit to have us serve?  If you haven’t served yourself, please refrain from slinging terms like
coward and draft dodger around, you haven’t earned the right to do so. We fought for your right to free speech but not to misuse it to bad mouth others for something you haven’t seen fit to do yourself. We all have a right to disagree politically but let’s just keep it to the real issues not made up ones like this!

I am no big fan of FDR, but in his defense, you’re confusing him with Teddy Roosevelt, his fifth cousin and Uncle-in-Law . FDR was 16 years old at the time of the Spanish-American war. And not really the place for this discussion but if the US had never had Teddy as president, we probably wouldn’t have been there to bail our cousins across the pond’s bacon out of the fire in 1917 and 1941. :) Otherwise we’d probably be tyining this blog Auf Deutsch.

No offense, but according to your profile you are living in Australia! Are you even an US citizen (if so, please put it in your profile) ? As an American who has lived extensively overseas, I have made it a point never to comment on the political process, system or politicians of my host country. I felt I hadn’t earned the right to do so. If you are an Australian (or any nationality other than US), please keep your opinions about how we should run our country and who we should have in leadership positions to yourself! … maybe you could spend your time more constructively worrying about your own nation. Let us worry about ours! As regards Dr Paul, he holds a pre 1937 isolationist style position. And one that is horribly misguided. For example, before WWII, Europe was having major wars every 20 to 30 years all the way back to before the French Revolution. One of the main factors for the US staying deployed in Europe and other places afterward was to deter the possibility of another starting. Seeing as I don’t have any WWIII service medals, etc. the strategy must have worked.

Killing sometimes is regrettably necessary! You know, because like, they started it by killing 3000 of us first.  

like many of your paulbot associates you don’t know squat about the military or the draft. Ron Paul was advised that under the terms of his Air National Guard agreement he would be required to serve two years active in the Medical corp. This was the result of his using the Guard to pay for a part of his medical schooling. So he was not drafted he was activated. A rare event in 1962. As a OBGYN he was in no danger of seeing combat, he would stay stateside and tend to the wives. He is in NO position to call anyone a Chickenhawk and he used the elitist term in an attempt to silence those who have not served active duty. Do I as a combat veteran have the elite right then to silence him on military matters because he didn’t see action. Where does this false one upsmanship stop. Reasoned opinions should always be heard.