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“Blood Libel” – Jewish Leaders Debate Whether Palin’s Words Are Offensive

LOL,, well that alerts to a major problem right there!!
THIS IS SOMETHING WORTHY OF DEBATE!!??
jeeze

just write down you political affiliation
that will end the debate

The liberal know they stepped in it big time so now they are trying to shift the narrative again. Anything to take the focus off of the new evidence that proves what a bunch of liars they are.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
The liberal know they stepped in it big time so now they are trying to shift the narrative again. Anything to take the focus off of the new evidence that proves what a bunch of liars they are.

AGAIN,, IT’S LIBERALS MUCKING THIS UP!!
JESUS,, GET OUT OF THE WAY AND LEAVE US ALONE!!!

These attacks on Palin for anything she says are getting very old.

The ADL statement was not that long, nor was it lukewarm. It is a full throated defense of Palin and condemnation of the attacks on her, with the caveat that they’d rather she use another term, while noting that it is part of American parlance:

It is unfortunate that the tragedy in Tucson continues to stimulate a political blame game. Rather than step back and reflect on the lessons to be learned from this tragedy, both parties have reverted to political partisanship and finger-pointing at a time when the American people are looking for leadership, not more vitriol. In response to this tragedy we need to rise above partisanship, incivility, heated rhetoric, and the business-as-usual approaches that are corroding our political system and tainting the atmosphere in Washington and across the country.

It was inappropriate at the outset to blame Sarah Palin and others for causing this tragedy or for being an accessory to murder. Palin has every right to defend herself against these kinds of attacks, and we agree with her that the best tradition in America is one of finding common ground despite our differences.

Still, we wish that Palin had not invoked the phrase “blood-libel” in reference to the actions of journalists and pundits in placing blame for the shooting in Tucson on others. While the term “blood-libel” has become part of the English parlance to refer to someone being falsely accused, we wish that Palin had used another phrase, instead of one so fraught with pain in Jewish history.

Pablo said:
both parties have reverted to political partisanship and finger-pointing

WELL I STOP RIGHT THERE,,
F’k THAT
NOT BOTH PARTIES WERE PUSHING THIS NONSENSE!

Frank Rich, New York Times columnist, October 15, 2006: “The moment Mr. Foley’s e-mails became known, we saw that brand of fearmongering and bigotry at full tilt: Bush administration allies exploited the former Congressman’s predatory history to spread the grotesque canard that homosexuality is a direct path to pedophilia. It’s the kind of blood libel that in another era was spread about Jews.”

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Alex Beam in the Boston Globe, January 14, 2005, discussing the accusation that an official had used the “n-word” in meetings overseas: “My two anonymous sources were making charges that amounted to ‘blood libel’ against former colleagues; that raised the bar for ethical publication.”

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Andrew Cohen of CBS News, May 7, 2008: “So-called “judicial activism” occurs, in other words, when it’s your side that lost the case and it is nothing short of a blood libel against judges to accuse them of operating by fiat.”

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Florida Democrat Peter Deutsch:

Let me just talk a little bit about the whole, I guess, spin from the Republicans about — which has been to me the absolute most — the worst statements I have ever heard probably in my life about anything. I mean, almost a blood libel by the Republicans towards Al Gore, saying that he was trying to stop men and women in uniform that are serving this country from voting. That is the most absurd thing and absolutely has no basis in fact at all.

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Andrew Sullivan, October 10, 2008:

A couple of obvious thoughts. Paladino speaks of “perverts who target our children and seek to destroy their lives.” This is the gay equivalent of the medieval (and Islamist) blood-libel against Jews.

What is obviously going on here is that the liberals in the Democrat-media complex have decided on their email lists, to look for something in Sarah Palin’s response in order to discredit her remarks and render them nil.

These liberal hacks have decided to focus on the term “blood libel”, and shriek about it so no one focuses on the context of Palin’s response to the liberal hack’s attacks on her. As you can see from my post above, many liberals have used the phrase “blood libel”.

To show how disconnected to reality liberals and the far-left “journalists” are, they are trying to attach a new slander of anti-Semitism to Sarah Palin, who is one of the most pro-Israeli politicians in the country, when these same members of the democrat-media complex attack machine are supportive of Barack Obama, the most unfriendly President in American history in regards to relations with Israel. Obama has even been friends with more then a few anti-Semites.

If you ask me, the American media is so far deluded with irrational hatred that they are on the verge of loosing touch with reality and are one step away from becoming a bunch of Jared Loughners.

Simon Greer, president of Jewish Funds for Justice, is an idiot.

Ms. Palin clearly took some time to reflect before putting out her statement today. Despite that time, her primary conclusion was that she is the victim and Rep. Giffords is the perpetrator.

And the last guy is who? National Jewish DEMOCRATIC Council President David Harris? Geez, I can’t imagine what I might find over there. They don’t like Sarah Palin, though? That’s just weird.

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lol
For NOT liking them ,, in anyway,,
Rush, Palin, Beck,, FOX NEWS,, etc. etc,,
there sure are bunch of whiny single minded LIBERALS watchin’ ‘em!!!
good gawd!

SCRUTINIZE OUR PRESENT ADMINISTRATION LIKE THIS ,,,PLEASE!!!!
If senator rangel got this much scrutiny,,
HE’D BE IN FRICKIN’ JAIL RIGHT NOW!!!

Speaking of mental health, Atticus Draco I would bet that you could be the one we read about next in the paper.

THis is why she was being baited to respond; so the left wing media could go after her remarks. They have NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH, ZERO.

Chris, Keith, Tommy, et al anxiously waited for her remarks so they could go after her.

it is laughable how the PDS has soaked them through and through until their brains are nothing but a bunch of liberal loony mush.

Pathetic again; while others who have used the term have gotten a pass, the media again shows the sane people in the world that they are the enemy and they are the insane.

PDS gone overboard.

Oh, for Pete’s sake.

Is this the best they can do?

Yeesh.

Of course the NJDC will attack Palin, they’re liberals. As a Jew I’m disappointed the other groups would be involved so I contacted them to let them know they do not speak for me! Sarah Palin is a great friend of Jews and Israelis!

TfT said:
Chris, Keith, Tommy, et al anxiously waited for her remarks so they could go after her.

they wont be fervently scrutinizing oboma’s Arizonian’s speech tonight,, like they do sarah’s
that’s for damn sure

ALL OF “EM..
will claim,,
“THE HEALING CAN BEGIN!” or something to that effect

It amazes me to see the levels the liberal haters will go to to find some Jewish person who might be offended. Maybe there should be ads in newspapers (wait, no one reads those anymore) or maybe Chris Matthews or Rachel Madcow or that especially bitchy woman, Joy Behar can put out a casting call for a lot of angry Jews who can come on and bitch about Sarah Palin some more.
What a bunch of low life useless pieces of trash liberals are. Waste their entire life spewing bile and evil hatred.
I would wish they drown in their own bile, but maybe that is too good for them since they seem to like bile.

Here is another one for you Matt:

http://www.thejewishweek.com/blogs/route_17/sarah_palin_right_were_looking_blood_libel

And so true Atticus, Obama’s words, (or his life, school records, etc,) will never be vetted the way Palin’s are. The left is scared to death of her.

Tea Party in AZ cannot attend tonights funeral, Sherrif told him to stay home, due to the excessive death threats he is now getting.

Thanks to Sheriff Nifong.

Further proof that libs are such a sad bunch. I actually feel sad for them. :D

The hilarious part is that this feeds directly into many people’s problems with conservatives: they couch everything using violent terminology.
Blood libel.
Don’t retreat…reload.
War on Christmas.
Etc…

While everybody, left and right, uses words that are either overtly or covertly violent in nature, conservative trendsetters understand that they can rally their base by using violent words and evoking violent imagery. And it works.

TfT said:

“THis is why she was being baited to respond; so the left wing media could go after her remarks.”

Yep.

It wouldn’t have mattered if she had fell on her knees in groveling apology and offered a cure for cancer and faster than light travel at the same time. The left would have criticized her for groveling, would have decided that her cure didn’t cover sickle cell so she’s a racist, and that faster than light travel is not something a Grizzly Mama should do, so how dare her.

These people need serious meds for that PDS.

redleaf said:
The hilarious part is that this feeds directly into many people’s problems with conservatives: they couch everything using violent terminology.
Blood libel.
Don’t retreat…reload.
War on Christmas.
Etc…

While everybody, left and right, uses words that are either overtly or covertly violent in nature, conservative trendsetters understand that they can rally their base by using violent words and evoking violent imagery. And it works.

yeah,,like the Klinton “War Room”
THOUGH TECHNICALLY,,
HE’S THE MOST “CONSERVATIVE” PRESIDENT WE’VE HAD IN MY LIFETIME
LOL
“THE ERA OF BIG GOVER,,,”
AHHHH,, WTF

“The NJDC works as a liaison between the organized Jewish community and the Democratic

Pablo said:
And the last guy is who? National Jewish DEMOCRATIC Council President David Harris? Geez, I can’t imagine what I might find over there. They don’t like Sarah Palin, though? That’s just weird.

Ask and ye shall receive.

The first paragraph on their website:

Party and its mission is to promote Jewish values within the Party, and to promote the Democratic Party within the Community.”

Not a chance of any partisan bias there, no sir!

Redleaf, Don’t forget my favorite:

If they bring a knife, you bring a gun.

Jay Velez said:
Further proof that libs are such a sad bunch. I actually feel sad for them. :D

I KNOW,,
It’s like i wanna beg to the LIBS
“CAN WE PLEASE MOURN,, AT LEAST UNTIL THEY’RE BURIED AT LEAST?!!!”
Good GAWD!
STFU,, DONT YOU LIBS HAVE ANY SOULS?!?!?

I don’t know how, but I always find a way, I screwed up and separated the quote.

“The NJDC works as a liaison between the organized Jewish community and the Democratic Party and its mission is to promote Jewish values within the Party, and to promote the Democratic Party within the Community.”

Sarah said: “But, especially within hours of a tragedy unfolding, journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn. That is reprehensible.”

I agree with her and probably the first time in my life Alan Dershowitz.

To: Abraham Foxman, David Harris, and Simon Greer – Gentlemen, get over yourselves, she is on your side, it the Obama Admin is working against you.

redleaf said:
While everybody, left and right, uses words that are either overtly or covertly violent in nature, conservative trendsetters understand that they can rally their base by using violent words and evoking violent imagery. And it works.

Nonsense. It’s a longstanding part of political tradition and everyone does it. See Krauthammer.

BatBoy said:
I agree with her and probably the first time in my life Alan Dershowitz

lol,, true,, i was shocked that he defended her

BatBoy said:
I agree with her and probably the first time in my life Alan Dershowitz.

It shocks me also but on some subjects he could be speaking for me.

Are you lefties happy now…..
You Merchants of Hate just don’t know when to stop!

January 12, 2011
Dozens of Twitter users call for Palin’s death
A video on YouTube showcases dozens of tweets, sent in the aftermath of Saturday’s Arizona massacre, that call for the death of former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.
Some of the Tweeters wish Palin would die of cancer, while others advocate for her assassination.
“My hatred for Sarah Palin continues to grow. I think this woman should be assassinated,” said one person. “Sarah Palin should be shot for her encouragement of fanaticism against Democrats,” says another.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/12/dozens-of-twitter-users-call-for-palins-death/#ixzz1ArN4XMXb

Pablo said:
Nonsense. It’s a longstanding part of political tradition and everyone does it. See Krauthammer.

Great link, Pablo.

I love his inexorable conclusion:

“Did Manchin push Loughner over the top? Did Emanuel’s little Mafia imitation create a climate for political violence? The very questions are absurd – unless you’re the New York Times and you substitute the name Sarah Palin.

The origins of Loughner’s delusions are clear: mental illness. What are the origins of Krugman’s? “.

BatBoy said:
BatBoy says:
January 12, 2011 at 4:49 pm  (Quote)
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Are you lefties happy now…..
You Merchants of Hate just don’t know when to stop!

January 12, 2011
Dozens of Twitter users call for Palin’s death

Don’t forget about the Facebook group called: “I hate it when I wake up and Sarah Palin is still alive” with it’s 2,264 people who liked it.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-hate-it-when-I-wake-up-and-Sarah-Palin-is-still-alive/129929197021040

Atticus Draco said:
AGAIN,, IT’S LIBERALS MUCKING THIS UP!!
JESUS,, GET OUT OF THE WAY AND LEAVE US ALONE!!!

At first I thought you were being ironic; then I realized that you weren’t because you don’t know what that means. Are you familiar with who was “blamed” from the crucifixion of JC?

You posted that on a comment thread on blood libel, can you say embarrassing?

TrollJuice said:
Speaking of mental health, Atticus Draco I would bet that you could be the one we read about next in the paper.

FTW! I can imagine the Mediaite article now: Long time Mediaite commenter, Atticus Draco, set himself on fire last night after realizing he couldn’t form a coherent sentence and his syntax was worse than Jared Lee Loughner’s youtube video.

Hold on, let me write that in a form you could understand: ZOMG! ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,THESE LIBS are sooo studip,,,LOL! Obama is lame-o-rama,,,,CAIN”T WAIT UNTIL 2012 4 PREZ PLAIN! lo!?!?!?!?!?!,,

SuperChuñdy said:
Are you familiar with who was “blamed” from the crucifixion of JC?

For those keeping track, the Romans did it.

It took them 4 days to come up with this fake crap, now they’ve dug themselves into another hole. People this is why you should educate yourself so that you wouldn’t just parrot what your supposedly smart staffer gives you to read. Capiche?

Pablo said:
For those keeping track, the Romans did it.

Duh.

ABC claims Palin injected herself into this story? LOL at their idiocy.

I support Sarah, now more than ever, given what the left wing media idiots have attempts to do. The attempts at political assassination of Sarah will turn itself into the political suicide of ABCCBSNBCMSNBCNYTimes.

The hatred that comes from many liberals regarding Palin is disgusting.

Hey, progressives, I know you hate Sarah Palin. But I would think you would draw a line here. This “blood on her hands” rhetoric is an embarrassment to your cause. Do you known no bounds? Have you no decency? Can you really be so crass as to use this tragic shooting in such an obviously manipulative and slanderous way? Won’t any of you stand up and say no more?

Pablo said:
For those keeping track, the Romans did it.

I bet you are proud of yourself for unearthing this piece of valuable historian reference.

She had no idea of the meaning of “blood libel” , she simply heard someone else use it and thought it was clever.

Oh geez… Most people, myself included, weren’t thinking of the historical connotations – like it or not, it is a common term that refers to false accusation. And the WSJ used it the day before in an editorial – where was all the yelling and screaming about that?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703667904576071913818696964.html

Jeez… It is bad enough that Matt Schneider was unaware of Glenn Reynolds’ WSJ article “The Arizona Tragedy and the Politics of Blood Libel”, posted January 10th.

But didn’t any of you other Mediaite hangers’-on read it either?

Professor Reynolds initiated the use of the term in the current debate, and he was right to do so because it is an exactly correct term. Strong words must be used when someone is accused of being an accomplice or accessory to a mass murder, without any evidence. And when the libel continues even after it is proven that there is no evidence.

And there is something seriously wrong when the person unfairly attacked is then attacked again when she defends herself.

felixw said:
Hey, progressives, I know you hate Sarah Palin. But I would think you would draw a line here. This “blood on her hands” rhetoric is an embarrassment to your cause. Do you known no bounds? Have you no decency? Can you really be so crass as to use this tragic shooting in such an obviously manipulative and slanderous way? Won’t any of you stand up and say no more?

Drama queen.

TfT said:
do. The attempts at political assassination of Sarah will turn itself into the political suicide of ABCCBSNBCMSNBCNYTimes.

I have a feeling that the mainstream media may be due for a breakup. ABCCBSNBCCNN on one side, MSNBCNYTimes on the other. The Times has gone beyond the pale of decency and of any acceptable journalistic standards. It used to be “the paper of record”, but I don’t see how that can possibly continue.

Harry Flashman said:
she was being baited to respond

How was Palin being baited? She had the crosshairs,gunsights on her Map.The congresswoman who got shot in the head was targeted by that map also the congresswoman who is shot in the head made a public comment on how dangerous this kind of thing was.

BatBoy said:
Are you lefties happy now…..
You Merchants of Hate just don’t know when to stop!

January 12, 2011
Dozens of Twitter users call for Palin’s death
A video on YouTube showcases dozens of tweets, sent in the aftermath of Saturday’s Arizona massacre, that call for the death of former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.
Some of the Tweeters wish Palin would die of cancer, while others advocate for her assassination.
“My hatred for Sarah Palin continues to grow. I think this woman should be assassinated,” said one person. “Sarah Palin should be shot for her encouragement of fanaticism against Democrats,” says another.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/12/dozens-of-twitter-users-call-for-palins-death/#ixzz1ArN4XMXb

Are you sure it wasn’t done by you or some of your friends, in order to deflect from the hole they’ve dug for themselves.

No, no, no, no, no. I know you guys at Mediate like to play it safe and be fair – and I really do appreciate that, but sometimes you tread lighter than is perhaps accommodating to the facts in order to prevent saying much of anything at all. There is no need to say “the term allegedly has an anti-semitic history.” The story is whether its use by Palin is offensive – that is what is alleged (and to your credit, the title of the story captures what is essential here). There is no need, however, to play it safe here, too cautious to commit to what is the fact. Blood libels, from the time of Thomas of Monmouth, have been anti-semitic and ruinous to Jewish populations physically and otherwise. The question is whether Palin was hurtful in her use of the term.

skyfet said:
Are you sure it wasn’t done by you or some of your friends

No, it was done by people with the face of evil…such as yourself!

felixw said:
Hey, progressives, I know you hate Sarah Palin. But I would think you would draw a line here. This “blood on her hands” rhetoric is an embarrassment to your cause. Do you known no bounds? Have you no decency? Can you really be so crass as to use this tragic shooting in such an obviously manipulative and slanderous way? Won’t any of you stand up and say no more?

Said the commenter that ignores the the fecal matter regularly deposited on this site by “Atticus Draco” and “gordonbloyershow.”

“Why do you see the speck in your brother’s eye but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?” You know who said that? Jesus (who was not murdered by Jews, but by commenter Pablo)

Pablo said:
For those keeping track, the Romans did it.

OxyCon said:
Frank Rich, New York Times columnist, October 15, 2006: “The moment Mr. Foley’s e-mails became known, we saw that brand of fearmongering and bigotry at full tilt: Bush administration allies exploited the former Congressman’s predatory history to spread the grotesque canard that homosexuality is a direct path to pedophilia. It’s the kind of blood libel that in another era was spread about Jews.” ——————— Alex Beam in the Boston Globe, January 14, 2005, discussing the accusation that an official had used the “n-word” in meetings overseas: “My two anonymous sources were making charges that amounted to ‘blood libel’ against former colleagues; that raised the bar for ethical publication.” ——————- Andrew Cohen of CBS News, May 7, 2008: “So-called “judicial activism” occurs, in other words, when it’s your side that lost the case and it is nothing short of a blood libel against judges to accuse them of operating by fiat.” ——————- Florida Democrat Peter Deutsch: Let me just talk a little bit about the whole, I guess, spin from the Republicans about — which has been to me the absolute most — the worst statements I have ever heard probably in my life about anything. I mean, almost a blood libel by the Republicans towards Al Gore, saying that he was trying to stop men and women in uniform that are serving this country from voting. That is the most absurd thing and absolutely has no basis in fact at all. ——————– Andrew Sullivan, October 10, 2008: A couple of obvious thoughts. Paladino speaks of “perverts who target our children and seek to destroy their lives.” This is the gay equivalent of the medieval (and Islamist) blood-libel against Jews.

That says it all. Where was the “debate” then?

Charlie Manson didn’t commit murder, his mindless drones did. Unlike Palin, Charlie’s in jail.

BatBoy said:
No, it was done by people with the face of evil…such as yourself!

You are projecting.

You are all fools, using this killing to make ignorant political statements. The fact is, one individual is responsible for this killing and he is in jail. No one forced him to pull the trigger, no one forced him to shoot blindly into a crowd filled with other individuals.

The only person that pulled that trigger is the person responsible for the deaths. The gun didn’ t aims itself and pull its own trigger just as pencils don’t mispell words on their own.

Talisman said:
Charlie Manson didn’t commit murder, his mindless drones did. Unlike Palin, Charlie’s in jail.

lol, what are you insinuating?

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
redl

Another thing about many conservatives: they only see black and white, right and wrong, good or bad. Never shades of gray. I never said liberals don’t use violent words. If you’d like to find where I said that, please enlighten us. That Obama quote, which has been dragged out by defensive conservatives to prove, well, something, doesn’t negate my point. Now sit down and read this carefully: while EVERYONE uses violent imagery, influential conservative make a point of using words that suggest violence because they know violence motivates their base.

More Liberty3 said:
You are all fools, using this killing to make ignorant political statements. The fact is, one individual is responsible for this killing and he is in jail. No one forced him to pull the trigger, no one forced him to shoot blindly into a crowd filled with other individuals.

The only person that pulled that trigger is the person responsible for the deaths. The gun didn’ t aims itself and pull its own trigger just as pencils don’t mispell words on their own.

I agree that he, the nut job is responsible, but you are naive in the extreme if you think that people are not influenced by what their hero’s say. More than enough historical references to support that.

And another thing, you realize that if Loughner was a liberal, FNC, Rush, Sean, Levin and the rest of them would be jumping all over it like a starving man at a Vegas buffet.

If Loughner watched MSNBC, loved Anderson Cooper and read the NYT, do you think right wing pundits would leave that on the table?

Now, instead of actually discussing the merits of my statement, please make fun of me, invoke Obama or write something else that avoids the subject.

Atticus Draco said:
AGAIN,, IT’S LIBERALS MUCKING THIS UP!!
JESUS,, GET OUT OF THE WAY AND LEAVE US ALONE!!!

Maybe if you round liberals up and put them in concentration camps like Frau Palin wants you to. Maybe then she might have a legitimate chance of winning an election.

redleaf said:
Now sit down and read this carefully: while EVERYONE uses violent imagery, influential conservative make a point of using words that suggest violence because they know violence motivates their base

What proof do you have that violence motivates conservatives? Are you buying all the media driven false violent tea party rhetoric? Probably so. You left loons are insane. It is funny that it is on total display now and not through the filtered lenses of the media.

musiccityvic said:
What proof do you have that violence motivates conservatives? Are you buying all the media driven false violent tea party rhetoric? Probably so. You left loons are insane. It is funny that it is on total display now and not through the filtered lenses of the media.

I didn’t say violence motivates conservatives. I said “words that suggest violence”. Do you see the difference? You know, it’s one thing to debate with smart people. It’s another thing to debate with people who hear what they want to hear. It’s like talking to a brick wall.

If you’d like to take one more shot at it, please do. My point is that conservatives hear Palin say “don’t retreat, reload” or Sharron Angle threaten “Second Amendment remedies” and they get off on it. It gets them angry and motivated. Do you understand now?

redleaf said:
Another thing about many conservatives: they only see black and white, right and wrong, good or bad

Too many on the Right think that all our social and political woes can have only one possible solution–their already failed neocon solution. That’s why they can’t bring themselves to compromise on anything.

That’s why they want to think that in instances like this, it makes it easier to have ONE multiple choice answer instead of explore the complexity of mental illness, easy access to guns, and hate-filled political hyperbole they like just chalk this up as a LONE MAD MAN and leave it at that. Forget the fact that America has more than an over-abundance of LONE MAD MEN all of whom had easy access to guns and many of whom got themselves caught up in heated political spewings from all sides to justify their obsessions and compulsions to kill.

But to the intellectually dishonest fake conservative this is the workings of a CRAZY PERSON–so move along, nothing to be seen here. And all the while, those on the Right who are discussing this tragedy aren’t actually discussing the tragedy. They’re discussing themselves and their favorite standby talking points.

In fact, Glenn Beck has mentioned VAN JONES and GEORGE SOROS more this week than is at all necessary or relevant because OBVIOUSLY the irony of him invoking his favorite fear-mongering targets while claiming that he is in no way fear-mongering is lost on his audience. HEY GLENN, what the hell does VAN JONES have to do with this tragedy? You’ve mentioned his name more than Gabrielle Giffords, Jared Loughner or, lord knows, any of the other victims. But this is too good an opportunity for the likes of Beck and Rush to not invoke their favorite scapegoats. In Beck’s case, it’s Van Jones and George Soros and in Rush’s case it’s Rush Limbaugh’s own ego.

A Kim Bo said:
Too many on the Right think that all our social and political woes can have only one possible solution–their already failed neocon solution. That’s why they can’t bring themselves to compromise on anything.

That’s why they want to think that in instances like this, it makes it easier to have ONE multiple choice answer instead of explore the complexity of mental illness, easy access to guns, and hate-filled political hyperbole they like just chalk this up as a LONE MAD MAN and leave it at that. Forget the fact that America has more than an over-abundance of LONE MAD MEN all of whom had easy access to guns and many of whom got themselves caught up in heated political spewings from all sides to justify their obsessions and compulsions to kill.

But to the intellectually dishonest fake conservative this is the workings of a CRAZY PERSON–so move along, nothing to be seen here. And all the while, those on the Right who are discussing this tragedy aren’t actually discussing the tragedy. They’re discussing themselves and their favorite standby talking points.

In fact, Glenn Beck has mentioned VAN JONES and GEORGE SOROS more this week than is at all necessary or relevant because OBVIOUSLY the irony of him invoking his favorite fear-mongering targets while claiming that he is in no way fear-mongering is lost on his audience. HEY GLENN, what the hell does VAN JONES have to do with this tragedy? You’ve mentioned his name more than Gabrielle Giffords, Jared Loughner or, lord knows, any of the other victims. But this is too good an opportunity for the likes of Beck and Rush to not invoke their favorite scapegoats. In Beck’s case, it’s Van Jones and George Soros and in Rush’s case it’s Rush Limbaugh’s own ego.

Here’s the problem: Beck, Sean, Rush, etc., are propagandists and political manipulators.
The left wing has their manipulators, too, but they’re not very good at it.
Beck, Sean, Rush, etc, are masters at it. When a conservative says 2+2=5, their job is to convince them 2+2 really is 5…or it’s wrong because of Obama is a socialist. Again, they’re very good at it. They know what their fans to want hear.

I wish liberals had radio and TV talent that good.

redleaf said:
My point is that conservatives hear Palin say “don’t retreat, reload” or Sharron Angle threaten “Second Amendment remedies” and they get off on it. It gets them angry and motivated. Do you understand now?

It’s because the Right has learned one thing–that’s it’s much easier to defend failed neo-con policies by provoking FEELINGS from their followers than by invoking IDEAS into the debate. There are no IDEAS that can justify trying to resell us on already failed policies so instead they’ll try once again to shove those policies down our throats even if they have to use a gun or allusions to guns to do it.

“Second Amendment remedies”–ie VOTE FOR ME OR I PULL OUT MY GLOCK.

redleaf said:
If you’d like to take one more shot at it, please do. My point is that conservatives hear Palin say “don’t retreat, reload” or Sharron Angle threaten “Second Amendment remedies” and they get off on it. It gets them angry and motivated. Do you understand now?

No, I don’t.

” It gets them angry and motivated” to do WHAT exactly?

Taken in toto of all that has happened and been said beginning on Saturday what are you saying is the answer?

According to many of you it seems your contention is, of course, that we are all just one word from viciously massacring anyone in our path at that moment.

I reject that and anyone who pretends or does believe it.

redleaf said:
Here’s the problem: Beck, Sean, Rush, etc., are propagandists and political manipulators.
The left wing has their manipulators, too, but they’re not very good at it.

Yes they are masters. If you hook up their average listener to machines that measure the body’s vitals while they are listening to the show, you would be shown that what is activated by their average viewer is their blood pressure increases and their heart starts to race but their brain wave activity is pretty constant. In other words, Beck, Sean, and Rush know that they’re provoking intense passionate feelings but not actually stimulate much deep thought. And since the bulk of the audience is better at feeling than thinking, they have broader appeal.

And this is precisely while the political leaders on the Right often enjoy standing behind symbols like the Bible and Constitution (that they’ve likely not read) instead of discuss even their own ideas like trickle down economics, deregulations, or the ownership society (ideas that even those who claim to be conservative aren’t terribly well-versed about). Those on the Right know that SYMBOLS inspire people more support than FACTS or IDEAS because symbols can mean whatever anyone wants them to mean.

When I say the word “Bible” or “Constitution” or “Jesus” or “Founding Fathers” those words can mean a million different things to a million different people. But as long as the majority of people have good warm and fuzzy feelings when they hear those words those who like to shield their policies behind such SYMBOLS can garner support. In fact, they’d much rather pander using symbols than dwelling on some inconvenient facts.

But, in the end, Rush is right. We shouldn’t hold someone of a particularly political or Religious bent responsible for the crimes of one individual. And that includes blaming ALL MUSLIMS for the actions of a few.

SarahP. said:
Drama queen.

I suspect that your old identity was blocked by Mediaite. Hundreds of spam posts day after day. Why would they allow it?

musiccityvic said:
What proof do you have that violence motivates conservatives?

The same proof that Rush has that violence motivates Muslims.

felixw said:
I suspect that your old identity was blocked by Mediaite. Hundreds of spam posts day after day. Why would they allow it?

You should be banned for shear stupidity.

A Kim Bo said:
When I say the word “Bible” or “Constitution” or “Jesus” or “Founding Fathers” those words can mean a million different things to a million different people. But as long as the majority of people have good warm and fuzzy feelings when they hear those words those who like to shield their policies behind such SYMBOLS can garner support

You’re not very intelligent are you? You are aware the the US Constitution is the foundation to our whole legal and political system aren’t you?

The US Constitution is not a “symbol.” It has actual weight behind its words because the words of the US Constitution are the supreme law of the land. You ignorant fool.

ImRubberYoureGlue said:
This shooter had a woman-problem. And like him, many Palin critics have no problem calling women ‘bitches’ and treating them like ‘bitches,’ too. Only a sexist pig would lay blame at Palin’s feet and not the culture of woman-hate to which they contribute.

True. Kind of like Playboys “Hate F&ck” list.

Let’s talk actual hate pics:
Pic of Guy holding rifle to Palins card board cut out:
http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/83137110.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19303D83A05122D2369E79C6F9065C2DCA0E30A760B0D811297

News footage of Palin being hung:
http://www.correntewire.com/cmon_ladies_cant_you_take_a_joke#comment-122503

Here is Sandra Bernhard defending her claim that Palin should be gang raped:
http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2008/09/20/Bernhard-defends-Palin-gang-rape-joke/UPI-54281221944567/

These are just a few for you partisans to take a gander at. It’s disgusting.

More Liberty3 said:
You’re not very intelligent are you? You are aware the the US Constitution is the foundation to our whole legal and political system aren’t you?

The US Constitution is not a “symbol.” It has actual weight behind its words because the words of the US Constitution are the supreme law of the land. You ignorant fool.

Anyone who supports Palin is very obviously not only ignorant and fool but easily manipulated and naive in the extreme. That’s you asshole. What’s it like to have the IQ of a door knob?

Obama: Quote ” If you bring a knife to the fight we bring a gun”. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagle Fans”

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/14/obama-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/

(So have I, they are down right evil to opposing fans.)

Sounds like violent rhetoric to me. Looks to me like he supports a little violence if it’s for his cause. That’s
right, he said this just before the election. Wasn’t that where the “New Black Panthers” intimidated white
voters? I guess the threat of violence is ok for the president or maybe the panther just misunderstood.

But I know, only conservatives talk violence rhetoric.

Oh ya, the media didn’t condemned the hate speech thrown out to the TeaParty people calling them violent, rasist, and other vile crap. Oh no, the Left are all angels and do no wrong.They do the some crap and even
more but since they think their crap is right it’s isn’t hate speech. And you wonder why people turn to FOX for their News.

This “heated rhetoric” talk for either side of politics has no place in the discussion of this shooting. It had nothing to do with it. The left is trying to limit speech they do not like because they are losing the battle of
ideas.

Even if he was in any way influenced but “heated rhetoric” there is more of a chance that rhetoric was coming
from the left. Yet the left and the media almost exclusively site examples of it from the right. He’s a 911
Truther and one of his favorite books is the “The Communist Manifesto”. Get real! A Conservative! Give me a break! This guy was no conservative… I don’t want he is but he’s not conservative.

I mean maybe when the left show examples where they have “toned down” their accusations of the TeaParty
and people in conservative talk radio right might listen to what they have to say on the subject but not in this setting. The left rarely show examples of the rhetoric or hate speech they accuse the right of doing that hasn’t already been done by the left.

I remember Chris Mathews criticizing Rush for always calling the Obama administration the “Obama Regime”. He when on and on why this was inappropriate speech and how it was hate speech. And that it
compared the administration to a 3rd world country. He soon changed his tune when he found out he too referred to the Bush administration as the “Bush Regime” right along with the Rev. Al Sharpton. And it was point that many liberal print media was using the term repeatedly. As a matter of fact the “left” gave Rush the idea. Again you see, much of the so called “hate speech” or “violent rhetoric” has been taken from the left.
Sarah Palin didn’t invent the use of cross hairs to show targeted districts, a Democrat did.

You see, the left likes to throw mud to in hopes some of it sticks. What they don’t realize is that most of the mud is sticking to them.

I’ve said this before, the left may not want a tragic event to occur but they are surely hoping if one happens its a conservative right wing nut job that loves Palin, Glenn and Rush. They are ready with there speech
suppressing agenda to get rid of talk radio. They couldn’t even wait long enough to see where the facts laid.
They expose themselves right a way and repeatedly. And the majority of Americans know this.

redleaf said:
Still, we wish that Palin had not invoked the phrase “blood-libel” in reference to the actions of journalists and pundits in placing blame for the shooting in Tucson on others. While the term “blood-libel” has become part of the English parlance to refer to someone being falsely accused, we wish that Palin had used another phrase, instead of one so fraught with pain in Jewish history.

The whole discussion is rather pointless. That some people think that Palin should be taken seriously says a lot about their own level of awareness and intellectual acuity. The fans of Palin, Beck and Limbaugh are not thinkers. They are individuals who are controlled by irrational emotion. Thank goodness that there are conservatives who openly acknowledge this fact and see Palin, Beck and Limbaugh for who they are. This is not a liberal/conservative divide. The real divide is between those who value rational thought and education and those who value simplicity and are afraid to let fo of their fear and anger.

There are liberals who react just like the Palin, Beck, Limbaugh crowd but there has not been the same level of vitriol on the left since the days of the Vietnam War. There is no equivalent to the demagoguery on the left today.

The most these people can come up with is Chris Obermann, who matches the Palin, Beck Limbaugh triumvirate in emotional intensity but not in violent imagery or violence laced language. This is a reality that they refuse to recognize. The reason is obvious. They identify with the primitive rage which bubbles to the surface in the Palin, Beck, Limbaugh triumvirate. They feel a catharsis from their vitriol. Their reaction is not rational. It is pure irrational emotion. You cannot reason with emotion.

ImRubberYoureGlue said:
Anyone with your unreasonable amount of woman-hate should seek help. Palin is a just a woman with a voice–same as every man in this world.

She’s done nothing to you personally, dude, to warrant this level of focus on hating and minimizing her.

When you crawl out of Palin ass, then maybe someone will take you seriously, Until then you’re simply a sycophant and obviously a dolt.

skyfet said:
I bet you are proud of yourself for unearthing this piece of valuable historian reference.

I bet you’d be proud of yourself if you wrote a coherent sentence.

gordonbloyershow said:
These attacks on Palin for anything she says are getting very old.

Well Gordon, nothing can be said of you except that you are a cowardly pos.

Some of these people here will use any excuse to blame liberals for the least. What this boils down to is what many people have been saying about Sara Palin all along. SHE DOESN’T HAVE A CLUE. And Jewish people have a right to express their sentiments towards a word that is near and dear to them due to the countless lives lost in the millions. Some of you people here will downplay this into pointing the finger at some “liberals” when in fact Sara Palin proves to the world over and over again that she is only in the spotlight due to the people who placed a non qualified person in office and she admitted that she doesn’t know, and she don’t want to know. And her fan base need to get a clue also, this woman need to sit down and stop being a dunce.

I wonder if anyone has mentioned something very obvious. The comparisons between these two women, Sarah Palin and Gabrielle Giffords. One an exceptionally gifted politician who has a brilliant career and life ahead of her if she recovers from her grievous wounds and the other, Sarah Palin. As John McCain’s career winds down, one of the things he’ll forever be remembered for is inserting Sarah Palin into the American psyche. Poor John McCain who out of desperation elevated Ms Palin into a role she is totally unsuited for, and poor us for having to endure this superficial, and as we’re seeing dangerous person. Hopefully, she’ll soon have her fill of booty and be gone.

ImRubberYoureGlue says:

Anyone with your unreasonable amount of woman-hate should seek help. Palin is a just a woman with a voice–same as every man in this world.

She’s done nothing to you personally, dude, to warrant this level of focus on hating and minimizing her.

bdpritch says:

Why does anyone have to hate Sara Palin just because they call her out. Sara Palin knows that she don’t have a clue , she said it and she knows her loyal “need to get a clue” fan base will vote for her if she runs for the presidency.

YES, YOU PEOPLE WILL VOTE FOR A WOMAN WHO’S ONLY CONTRIBUTION TO WHAT MADE HER FAMOUS IS.. GIBBERISH!!? GO FIGURE

More Liberty3 said:
You are all fools, using this killing to make ignorant political statements. The fact is, one individual is responsible for this killing and he is in jail. No one forced him to pull the trigger, no one forced him to shoot blindly into a crowd filled with other individuals.
The only person that pulled that trigger is the person responsible for the deaths. The gun didn’ t aims itself and pull its own trigger just as pencils don’t mispell words on their own.

True, without question, one person did the killing. But are we absolutely sure one person is responsible. This is very important. Because if were not, we run the risk of the person or people responsible to go free.

Remember, Bin Laden didn’t fly any planes into the WTC.

gordonbloyershow said:
These attacks on Palin for anything she says are getting very old.

Sounds like what’s been happening to the President. Just saying.

SarahP. said:
Anyone who supports Palin is very obviously not only ignorant and fool but easily manipulated and naive in the extreme. That’s you asshole. What’s it like to have the IQ of a door knob?

Another example of leftist hate speech.

ganymede said:
I wonder if anyone has mentioned something very obvious. The comparisons between these two women, Sarah Palin and Gabrielle Giffords. One an exceptionally gifted politician who has a brilliant career and life ahead of her if she recovers from her grievous wounds and the other, Sarah Palin. As John McCain’s career winds down, one of the things he’ll forever be remembered for is inserting Sarah Palin into the American psyche. Poor John McCain who out of desperation elevated Ms Palin into a role she is totally unsuited for, and poor us for having to endure this superficial, and as we’re seeing dangerous person. Hopefully, she’ll soon have her fill of booty and be gone.

Give one example of why you think Sarah Palin is dangerous. I view Obama as dangerous on several fronts but I don’t want any harm to come his way. I mean really, Obama doesn’t think you should bring a knife to a fight he think you should bring a gun. Sounds like violent rhetoric to me.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/14/obama-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/

The stupid hate-filled lefties on this board are gradually getting to me. I am becoming convinced that all lefties are worthless, stupid, and hate-filled. The problem is, I don’t want it to be that way, because I have friends who tend toward the left side of the spectrum, and I have a couple sisters who lean that way, and I don’t want to hate them because of you assholes.

So, maybe abandon the false identities and start over with clean ones. Focus on debating ideas, not on inventing misogynistic slogans.

I think Dershowitz knows that if the left-wing jews pile on Palin too heavily, the flyover goyim who love her might take their resentment out on Israel and stop stupidly supporting a country that has nothing to do with them or their interests.

I got a good laugh from Mediaite’s photographic choice for this article. Was it a conscious decision to have her in a straight arm salute?

I don’t blame Palin for this, other than her choice in writers.

She had no idea what she was saying or implying.

gordonbloyershow said:
These attacks on Palin for anything she says are getting very old.

Isn’t being the victim the one thing her and her supporters are best at?

Hendon said:
I got a good laugh from Mediaite’s photographic choice for this article. Was it a conscious decision to have her in a straight arm salute?

Well if was intentional, who should be surprised?

I expected the “Sarah Palin used to have a Jewish friend” argument like was said in the DADT discussion. But looking at the numbers, Alaska’s Jewish population is around 0.5% So I guess its likely she has never met one in her home town.

Nacho said:
I expected the “Sarah Palin used to have a Jewish friend” argument like was said in the DADT discussion. But looking at the numbers, Alaska’s Jewish population is around 0.5% So I guess its likely she has never met one in her home town.

How is that a relevant observation? She used the phrase “blood libel”correctly. For the past four days the media–without a scintilla of evidence other than their own prejudiced perceptions and bad faith–have been busy calling her culpable in the murder of six people, including a 9-year-old girl. A large number of jews (Alan Dershowitz for one) have said there was nothing improper in her use of that phrase.

It was merely an observation of the apologetic tone Palin supporters have on this site.

Like I said, I don’t blame Palin for any wrong doing using that term. She didn’t come up with it, she merely read what somebody wrote for her and my guess is she is simply ignorant of the overtone meaning of the term.

Sean68 said:
I think Dershowitz knows that if the left-wing jews pile on Palin too heavily, the flyover goyim who love her might take their resentment out on Israel and stop stupidly supporting a country that has nothing to do with them or their interests.

I think you’re out of your mind.

Pablo said:
I think you’re out of your mind.

Then it will probably come as no surprise to you that I am not surprised by your particular (but not yours in particular) type of response.

It’s the words “Jewish Leaders” which should be under quotes. I don’t remember any Jews going to the Jewish election and electing their so-called leaders. Each of these “leaders” is a liberal or progressive, they only represent their dues-paying members and no one else.

http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

ImRubberYoureGlue says:

The hate is palpable. Only a sexist pig in denial doesn’t see and feel it.

One our of four women will be a victim to violence. Get it yet?

A MAN wrote “die bitch.” Not Sarah Palin. Get it yet?

Palin did nothing that warrants “calling out” unless you feel like you have to ‘control her.’ And if you do, get. help. for. your. problem.

bdpritch says:

Get what yet!? That what you say is theorizing? There is not enough people here to speak about Sara Palin and all her misguided approach to politics to be factual, because it’s actual. All one needs to do is rewind the tapes and films to review her past rhetoric about politics:

1) Her countless awed interviews
2) Her mockery of the U.S. Presidency to run as VP with an admitted statement that she didn’t know much about the position or what it entailed.
3) Her infamous bulls eye doomsday MAP
4) Her abuse of power as governor in the Branchflower Report.
5) Her claim to her followers during the run for VP as true Americans was divisive. Due to many of her followers being NRA and racists. These people will vote for her, McCain and anyone who’s either far right, Republican, or white regardless of whether they have their best interest.
6) Animal killer for “sport” . NRA all the way baby!

Now with all being said about her plight here is not conjectural. Anything you say is in contrast to my well established propositions that are regarded as matters of actual fact and not media consent. So there you have it.

The Rancid Masses, we know, are ignorant. Most Jews are a bit brighter than that. Yet they cannot discern if “blood libel” is “offensive”?? Yup.

Would someone please stick some duct tape over Sarah’s mouth so she can’t get her

foot in? Agree with me? http://upc.bz/0170

The Jewish community is worried about a phrase Mrs.Palin used? How about being openly worried about Obimbo’s openly hostile approach to Israel!