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Fox Nation Takes Issue With Obama’s Praise For Sitting Bull, But Gets Facts Wrong

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Sitting BullPresident Barack Obama‘s latest book, Of Thee I Sing: A Letter to My Daughters, is a 40-page tribute to great Americans that’s aimed at kids between four and eight years old. In it, Obama lauds extraordinary people like George Washington, Jane Addams, Billie Holiday, and Neil Armstrong. But one of the President’s choices is apparently a controversial one, according to Fox News’ opinion site Fox Nation: Sitting Bull, who Obama calls “a Sioux medicine man who healed broken hearts and broken promises” and Fox Nation calls an “Indian chief who defeated [a] U.S. general”.

They’re referring, of course, to the Battle of Little Bighorn, where members of the Lakota and Cheyenne tribes defeated 263 soldiers, including Lt. Col. George A. Custer. Originally, Fox’s headline was even stronger: “Obama Praises Indian Chief Who Killed U.S. General.” (The word “killed” also still appears in the article’s URL.)

But as Todd Wilkinson points out at the Huffington Post, that accusation was wrong “on at least three counts: Custer wasn’t a ‘general’; there is no evidence to indicate Sitting Bull personally ended Custer’s life; and it isn’t as though Custer was involved in a patriotic goodwill mission worthy of veneration.” One might also think that Fox would want to be sensitive about denigrating Sitting Bull right now, since November happens to be Native American Heritage Month.

After a good deal of media criticism, Fox Nation altered the hed and added an editor’s note at the bottom of the post: “Headline has been corrected for historical accuracy.”

No matter how unbiased Fox’s news division may be—and there is evidence that proves much of the channel really is fair and balanced—incidents like this and Roger Ailes‘s recent interview with Howard Kurtz aren’t doing the network any favors. If Fox wants viewers to take it seriously as a news organization—rather than as a channel pushing a partisan agenda—it’s going to have to stop giving its opponents this sort of ammunition.

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  • http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

    Poor Hillary, you really want to use the Huffingting Post as some kind of authority? LOL You seem to do a little nittpicking here.

    But as Todd Wilkinson points out at the Huffington Post, that accusation was wrong “on at least three counts: Custer wasn’t a ‘general’; there is no evidence to indicate Sitting Bull personally ended Custer’s life; and it isn’t as though Custer was involved in a patriotic goodwill mission worthy of veneration.”

    FACT……..Before the Civil war’s end, Custer was promoted to the temporary rank (brevet) of major general.

    The fact that he was not a General at the Little Big Horn isn’t much of a mistake.

    As to Sitting Bull did not personally kill Custer, the left on the Huff Po. often says President Bush has killed innocent people in Iraq. Is there any evidence he personally killed ANYONE? So where is the BIG error there?

    Hillary, I think you should control your liberal gene.

  • skyfet

    Offcourse they are wrong and do not have the facts, you know why, facts means nothing to them. As long as Murdoch is making his buck.

  • disenlightened

    Talk about splitting hairs. gordonbloyershow has it right.

  • disenlightened

    By the way, since when does a President fighting two wars, a prolonged recession and crippling unemployment have the time to write a book? Does this guy do anything at his job besides travel around the world and read from a teleprompter?

  • http://www.uselessbeauty.com Vidiot

    Just like all the unfortunate video-editing “errors” that Fox commits. I guess heads are rolling, as they promise.

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    Hillary, what planet are you from? “One might also think that Fox would want to be sensitive about denigrating Sitting Bull right now, since November happens to be Native American Heritage Month.”

    The words “Fox” and “sensitive” don’t belong in the same sentence together.

    You also claim, “If Fox wants viewers to take it seriously as a news organization—rather than as a channel pushing a partisan agenda—it’s going to have to stop giving its opponents this sort of ammunition.”

    Let me finish that sentence in a manner that aligns with what we-the-people are actually dealing with: it’s going to have to stop giving Glenn Beck a stage on which to propagate his hateful, race-baiting, ignorant vitriol.

    So now you have Gordon, the blow hard with a show, complaining to you from the extreme right and me complaining to you from the left. And writing of Gordon, he typed, “The fact that he was not a General at the Little Big Horn isn’t much of a mistake.” Nope, it isn’t “much of a mistake,” but it is a mistake just the same. I love to see reactionaries stand on their heads to see the world upside down.

  • Scott_in_MI

    Hillary, if you have any sense of integrity, you’ll put gordonbloyershow’s post on in place of your obviously biased post.

    By the way, the same folks who say Sitting Bull didn’t murder Custer are the same folks who say Columbus murdered millions of Indians.

  • Scott_in_MI

    GlennBeckReview said:
    So now you have Gordon, the blow hard with a show, complaining to you from the extreme right and me complaining to you from the left.

    I see Gordon is on the EXTREME right while you’re just on the left.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Ward/100000135233619 Mark Ward

    Well, if we want to get picky about the FACTS, the term “Native American” is WRONG (as is, obviously, Indian).

    Those who we NOW commonly refer to as Indians or Native Americans were, obviously, NOT Indians (from India) NOR were they “NATIVE” to North America.

    MOST (even MORE than the so-called Global Warming “concensus”) Anthopologists believe that man MIGRATED TO North America from Asia (via the Bering Strait).

    So Sitting Bull was an ASIAN, living in North America.

    I guess, though, if you want to vest “Native Americans” with POST Bering Strait status of “Native”, then it’s ALSO proper to vest Custer with POST Little Big Horn rank of General.

    Curious, though, WHY do we refer to Bill Clinton as President Clinton or Mr. President, when HE is NO LONGER the President? Wouldn’t the same “Custer wasn’t YET a General, but, DID, eventually, obtain that rank” allow one to STILL properly refer to him as General?

  • ProgLib

    If Obama stopped the genocide in Darfur and resurrected Jesus at the same time FoxNews would lead with: “Obama wasting earth’s finite resources by contributing to overpopulation.”

  • CosmosDan

    I think the point was more than just them getting the facts wrong, but the idea that they went out of their way , as they often do, to find something negative to say and promote about Obama.

    IMO it’s just campaigning. Continue to throw out negative narratives regardless of their relationship to reason or facts and the cumulative effect is a negative feeling based largely on exaggeration, speculation, and hyperbolic opinion.

  • Scott_in_MI

    George Custer’s gravestone at Little Big Horn (which was moved to West Point) lists him as brevet Major General.

    Perhap’s Glenbeckeview should quit with his “ignorant vitriol.”

  • RichS

    Mark Ward said:
    Well, if we want to get picky about the FACTS, the term “Native American” is WRONG (as is, obviously, Indian). Those who we NOW commonly refer to as Indians or Native Americans were, obviously, NOT Indians (from India) NOR were they “NATIVE” to North America. MOST (even MORE than the so-called Global Warming “concensus”) Anthopologists believe that man MIGRATED TO North America from Asia (via the Bering Strait). So Sitting Bull was an ASIAN, living in North America. I guess, though, if you want to vest “Native Americans” with POST Bering Strait status of “Native”, then it’s ALSO proper to vest Custer with POST Little Big Horn rank of General. Curious, though, WHY do we refer to Bill Clinton as President Clinton or Mr. President, when HE is NO LONGER the President? Wouldn’t the same “Custer wasn’t YET a General, but, DID, eventually, obtain that rank” allow one to STILL properly refer to him as General?

    Actually, according to anthropologists, we all came from the rift valley in Africa. I guess that makes us all Native Africans. So are we all African Americans?

  • Harry Flashman

    Custer was an arrogant ass and led 5 troops (about 220) of cavalry to their slaughter because he overestimated himself – and underestimated his opponent. Whoever wrote that article at Fox needs taken to the woodshed.

    Here are a couple of facts.

    1. Custer was breveted major general during the Civil War at 24, the youngest general to this date. He was a reckless cavalry leader who made much of his reputation with reckless cavalry charges – at the cost of many of his trooper’s lives. See “Yellow Tavern”. He was never seriously wounded but had 11 horses shot out from under him.

    2. Sitting Bull wasn’t the only chief at the Little Big Horn. Crazy Horse and Gall led a brilliant action by leading mounted warriors around Custer, denying Custer the high ground and cutting off any possibility of organized retreat. Sitting Bull was largely a spiritual leader by that time. Crazy Horse and Gall were fighters. Cosistent with his reckless reputation Custer attacked before he knew the strength of his oooponent.

    3. Custer split his command. He paid dearly for that. The whole fight probably lasted less than a half an hour. And it wasn’t a “massacre” and he wasn’t a victim. He went looking for a fight and he found one. He lost. Badly.

    There. More than you ever wanted to know about Custer, and certainly more than the writer at Fox knew.

  • RichS

    After a member of the military has passed on you address them by the highest rank that they held. George Armstrong Custer was breveted as a Major General during the Civil War and was a hero at Gettyburg and other battles.

  • am_underground

    Please NBC/MSNBC, Abrams and staff, no matter how much you want to point out flaws at FOX, all the wile quoting every liberal site and media outlet known to man and it’s done nothing to stop the juggernaut FOX in the rating. Your only reason for existence is to try and bring those who don’t believe in you ideals to come over to the dark side, not happening is it? Your existence only adds fuel to the fire for your base. Jesus, you call FOX bias.

  • Jackie_Treehorn

    am_underground said:
    Please NBC/MSNBC, Abrams and staff, no matter how much you want to point out flaws at FOX, all the wile quoting every liberal site and media outlet known to man and it’s done nothing to stop the juggernaut FOX in the rating. Your only reason for existence is to try and bring those who don’t believe in you ideals to come over to the dark side, not happening is it? Your existence only adds fuel to the fire for your base. Jesus, you call FOX bias.

    Mediaite’s tagline isn’t “Fair and Balanced”….

  • Scott_in_MI

    Harry Flashman said:
    He was a reckless cavalry leader who made much of his reputation with reckless cavalry charges

    Custer may have been a fool at Little Big Horn, but during the Civil War, he was remarkable. For proof of this just look at how highly Phil Sheridan thought of him.

  • RichS

    Harry Flashman said:
    Custer was an arrogant ass and led 5 troops (about 220) of cavalry to their slaughter because he overestimated himself – and underestimated his opponent. Whoever wrote that article at Fox needs taken to the woodshed. Here are a couple of facts. 1. Custer was breveted major general during the Civil War at 24, the youngest general to this date. He was a reckless cavalry leader who made much of his reputation with reckless cavalry charges – at the cost of many of his trooper’s lives. See “Yellow Tavern”. He was never seriously wounded but had 11 horses shot out from under him. 2. Sitting Bull wasn’t the only chief at the Little Big Horn. Crazy Horse and Gall led a brilliant action by leading mounted warriors around Custer, denying Custer the high ground and cutting off any possibility of organized retreat. Sitting Bull was largely a spiritual leader by that time. Crazy Horse and Gall were fighters. Cosistent with his reckless reputation Custer attacked before he knew the strength of his oooponent. 3. Custer split his command. He paid dearly for that. The whole fight probably lasted less than a half an hour. And it wasn’t a “massacre” and he wasn’t a victim. He went looking for a fight and he found one. He lost. Badly. There. More than you ever wanted to know about Custer, and certainly more than the writer at Fox knew.

    You forgot to mention that at Gettysburg he led troops that kept the Confederate cavalry under J. E. B. Stuart from turning the Union flank.

    At the Little Big Horn he acted stupidly and also disobeyed his orders. He left behind Gatling guns and failed to wait for General Terry’s column to arrive. He attacked immediately because he believed that the Indians had discovered his position. I have cousins who are Lakota, and they say the Indian forces, they call themselves Indians or Lakota not Native Americans, were about 500. I have no idea how many there were. Some historians say 1800.

    As to the US taking the land from the indians who had always been there, that isn’t exactly true. Tribes in the US, as in Europe, Africa, South America and Asia (I don’t know about Australia) were always pushing other tribes off the land that they wanted. As I said before, we all started out in the rift valley in Africa and, last time I checked, lots of us moved out of there pushing earlier humanoids out of the way.

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    Scott_in_MI says:
    George Custer’s “gravestone at Little Big Horn (which was moved to West Point) lists him as brevet Major General.”

    Custer acquired a solid reputation during the Civil War. He fought in the first major engagement, the First Battle of Bull Run. Before war’s end, Custer was promoted to the temporary rank (brevet) of major general. (At war’s end, this was reduced to his permanent rank of captain). Brig. Gen. Alfred Terry’s column, including twelve companies (A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, K, L, and M) of the 7th Cavalry under Lieutenant Colonel George Armstrong Custer’s immediate command.

    So to honor a dead soldier, they gave him back his temporary rank. Once again, the author at the HuffPo was right.

    Scott in MI, you are too ignorant to even accurately use that word properly in a sentence; but from your previous comment it’s clear that you’re a supporter of Beck, another knock on you. Care to strike out? Go ahead. I don’t mind exposing the illogic of the undereducated. There’s the pitch. It’s a curve ball. Will Scott swing his bat or hope that it’s outside of the strike zone?

  • The Real Royal King

    In fairness, only three (3) major fact mistakes were made.

  • Harry Flashman

    Rich S.

    There is no doubt he was a succesful cavalry commander, which is why he was breveted so young. BUT – part of the reason fior his success was that he was reckless almost to the point of stupidity. He was lucky on several occasions.

    Most of what I’ve read say there were about 2000 warriors at Little big Horn, mostly Sioux and Cheyenne. That’s fighters, not total Indian numbers. A lot of those were engaged with Reno where he was holed up – he attacked the village first from another side and was driven off with losses. He held out at the top of a bluff for a couple of days until Terry came up.

    I’m not a fan of Custer’s, one of the most over rated characters in American history.

  • Harry Flashman

    For a great read about the Little Big Horn check out “Son of the Morning Star” by Evan S. Connell. Highly recommended, and well worth your time if you have a passing interest in this.

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    am_underground says:
    “Please NBC/MSNBC, Abrams and staff, no matter how much you want to point out flaws at FOX, all the wile quoting every liberal site and media outlet known to man and it’s done nothing to stop the juggernaut FOX in the rating. Your only reason for existence is to try and bring those who don’t believe in you ideals to come over to the dark side,”

    I love the way that those sitting in Plato’s cave have been convinced, make that programmed, make that brainwashed by the bats above that the cave dwellers have seen and bath in the light while those outside of their “cave,” the self-enclosed, right-wing echo chamber, are on the “dark side.”

    It’s hard to imagine more effective propaganda than the brainwashing we see the results of here in these comments. The juggernaut Fox: home of the deluded.

  • BatBoy

    If Fox wants viewers to take it seriously as a news organization—rather than as a channel pushing a partisan agenda—it’s going to have to stop giving its opponents this sort of ammunition.

    Hillary…you have got to be kidding me. By printing a conclusion like this no one will seriously either.

    My take on the Battle of the Little Big Horn was that the egotistical Custer was on a suicide mission. If you haven’t been there…go…it is very interesting. You can feel and see how the battle took place. I am suprised that Custer and the men that died around him got as far as they did.

  • U NO HOO

    “Aboriginal” is the proper term for those here before others arrived.

  • Jelperman

    Scott_in_MI said:
    Hillary, if you have any sense of integrity, you’ll put gordonbloyershow’s post on in place of your obviously biased post.

    By the way, the same folks who say Sitting Bull didn’t murder Custer are the same folks who say Columbus murdered millions of Indians.

    Custer wasn’t murdered, he was killed in battle thanks to his own stupidity and incompetence. Sitting Bull deserves credit for ridding this country of a genocidal monster like Custer, whose specialty (aside from reckless cavalry charges) was slaughtering Sioux children and using them as human shields, like the Washita Massacre.

    Columbus was a mass murderer, as Las Casas (who was eyewitness to the atrocities) told Isabella and Ferdinand when he returned to Spain.

  • compound

    A Sioux medicine man and a heroin, opium and alcohol addicted singer are somehow great Americans?
    So, did Sitting Bull have dual citizenship as an American and a member of the Sioux nation?
    Is Obama going to be incorporating Sioux medicine men into the new healthcare plan options?
    Gawd almighty 2012 cannot come quickly enough to offload this pathetic mistake.

  • Nachi

    Sitting Bull was, indeed, a very good guy. And there were even members of the BushDrunk Family there -
    lurking in the shadows & darkness – exclaiming, “Mishun Komplished!!!”

  • Scott_in_MI

    GlennBeckReview said:
    Scott in MI, you are too ignorant to even accurately use that word properly in a sentence; but from your previous comment it’s clear that you’re a supporter of Beck, another knock on you

    All right I’ll take a swing, I’ll use ignorant in a sentence.

    GlennBeckReviews’s unhealthy hatred of a man he doesn’t even know has clouded his judgement and left him ignorant to fact and reason.

    Ow was that? By the way son, you should ease up. Hatred is an unhealthy emotion. For your health, I suggest you turn off Foxnews at 5 PM and perhaps go for a walk or take up yoga.

  • Scott_in_MI

    Jelperman said:
    Columbus was a mass murderer, as Las Casas (who was eyewitness to the atrocities

    If you can tell me where Las Casas actually WITNESSESD Indians dying at the hands of Columbus, I’ll send you $100.00. Las Casas copied Columbus’ diary, but I don’t believe they were ever in contact with each other.

  • Penguin60

    Here’s an interesting article that might turn some heads.
    http://www.unitednativeamerica.com/issues/lincoln.html

  • http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

    GlennBeckReview said:
    So now you have Gordon, the blow hard with a show, complaining to you from the extreme right and me complaining to you from the left. And writing of Gordon, he typed, “The fact that he was not a General at the Little Big Horn isn’t much of a mistake.” Nope, it isn’t “much of a mistake,” but it is a mistake just the same. I love to see reactionaries stand on their heads to see the world upside down.

    This is why you are a liar and an idiot. This is the kind of thing YOU call a lie. Custer was a General and Sitting Bull was responsible for is death.
    NO LIE HERE.

  • http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

    The Real Royal King said:
    In fairness, only three (3) major fact mistakes were made.

    In TRUTH, NO major fact mistakes were made. RRK is a major fact mistake.

  • http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

    Jelperman said:
    Custer wasn’t murdered, he was killed in battle thanks to his own stupidity and incompetence. Sitting Bull deserves credit for ridding this country of a genocidal monster like Custer, whose specialty (aside from reckless cavalry charges) was slaughtering Sioux children and using them as human shields, like the Washita Massacre.
    Columbus was a mass murderer, as Las Casas (who was eyewitness to the atrocities) told Isabella and Ferdinand when he returned to Spain.

    LOL, was Howard Zinn your history teacher?

  • Jelperman

    Scott_in_MI said:
    If you can tell me where Las Casas actually WITNESSESD Indians dying at the hands of Columbus, I’ll send you $100.00. Las Casas copied Columbus’ diary, but I don’t believe they were ever in contact with each other.

    Google is your friend:

    What connection did Bartolome’ de las casas have with Christopher Columbus?

    Fray Bartolome de Las Casas sailed with Columbus on Columbus’s third voyage, 1498-1500. Las Casas had probably met Columbus before the famous 1492 voyage because Las Casas’s father sailed with Columbus to the New World (Las Casas would have been about nine years old in 1492). During his own voyage with the captain, Las Casas saw both Columbus the explorer and Columbus the governor. Las Casas had high praise for Columbus the explorer because of the sailor’s efforts to bring Christianity to the Native Americans. For Columbus the governor, however, Las Casas had a much different view. Las Casas was shocked by the atrocities against the Indians which were allowed by Columbus.

    You were saying?

  • Jelperman

    gordonbloyershow said:
    LOL, was Howard Zinn your history teacher?

    No, I read first-person accounts of the Little Big Horn, the Washita Massacre and Las Casas’ A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies in school. Maybe if you bothered to read primary historical sources instead of wallowing in whatever Glenn Beck pulls out of his ass, you wouldn’t be such an ignorant, racist, trolling fucktard.

  • Jelperman

    Scott_in_MI said:
    If you can tell me where Las Casas actually WITNESSESD Indians dying at the hands of Columbus, I’ll send you $100.00. Las Casas copied Columbus’ diary, but I don’t believe they were ever in contact with each other.

    By the way, you can send your $100 check or money order to Media Matters For America in honor of Jelperman. Time to pay up!

  • Some_Dude

    Truthfully, if Obama praised Jesus Christ Fox News would find a way to spin it into a negative story. They’re a one trick pony. Teabagger News.

  • Hugo Daun

    Some_Dude said:
    Truthfully, if Obama praised Jesus Christ Fox News would find a way to spin it into a negative story.

    Of course, the President would never do that, being a Muslim and all…

  • timcajun

    Some_Dude says:
    Truthfully, if Obama praised Jesus Christ Fox News would find a way to spin it into a negative story. They’re a one trick pony.

    This is correct. As a standard, the more hate they throw up, the more off base they are. The teas don’t care, the more hate and lies the happier they are!

  • demjerkoffs

    journalism is not practiced by cnn/msnbc and the rest of liberal media…the proof is obama and how he got elected…the dem party is nothing but socialist and communist=un-Americans they must be defeated!

  • alamo2

    Mark Ward said:
    Wouldn’t the same “Custer wasn’t YET a General, but, DID, eventually, obtain that rank” allow one to STILL properly refer to him as General?

    Custer was a brevet general in the Civil War, a Lt. Col. in 1876. No, you would not refer to him as general after his temporary rank was lifted. He was referred to in 1876 as Colonel.

  • alamo2

    compound said:
    A Sioux medicine man and a heroin, opium and alcohol addicted singer are somehow great Americans?So, did Sitting Bull have dual citizenship as an American and a member of the Sioux nation?Is Obama going to be incorporating Sioux medicine men into the new healthcare plan options?Gawd almighty 2012 cannot come quickly enough to offload this pathetic mistake.

    Your ignorance of American history is astounding.

  • dahni

    But it’s good to see who Obama considers the biggest ‘heros’ in American History. My reading about the Big Horn history indicates strongly that Custer had a huge ego, and wanted to have a huge victory that he could use as a backstop to running for Presidency of the US. Turned out to be a poor decision, huh? Much like the decisions of a lot of Americans to originally vote for Obama! Same outcome, too, it he is permitted to stay in office.

  • Nahu Tuk

    Sitting Bull was a Chief. He was not a Medicine Man. Mr. 0bama has it wrong….as usual.

  • http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

    Jelperman said:
    No, I read first-person accounts of the Little Big Horn, the Washita Massacre and Las Casas’ A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies in school. Maybe if you bothered to read primary historical sources instead of wallowing in whatever Glenn Beck pulls out of his ass, you wouldn’t be such an ignorant, racist, trolling fucktard.

    Glenn Beck has never mentioned the Little Big Horn. I guess you got that first person too? LOL.
    So you read the first person INDIAN view of the battle. LOL. I guess they wouldn’t lie? LOL I got straight A’s in history. I know history is not perfect. It is a lot of guess work based on many sources. No one can be sure what happened at the Little Big Horn. There are many conflicting stories. People believe the ones they want too. You being a person that hates America you choose the negative story. YOU are the biggest idiot posting here today. Go back to the happy hunting ground and play with the “White Buffalo”.

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    GlennBeckReview said:
    “Scott in MI, you are too ignorant to even accurately use that word properly in a sentence; but from your previous comment it’s clear that you’re a supporter of Beck, another knock on you
    All right I’ll take a swing, I’ll use ignorant in a sentence.”

    Scott_in_MI says:
    “GlennBeckReviews’s unhealthy hatred of a man”

    I didn’t write to BE IGNORANT in a sentence; I wrote to USE IGNORANT in a sentence. Let me offer you some help. If you think I consider Beck worthy of emotion strong enough to warrant hatred, then you are IGNORANT of how I actually feel and too f#$king LAZY to find out.

    http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/p/about-blogger.html

  • Penguin60

    Funny these lemmings didn’t have that much vitriol for “corpseman”, the gyrations are hilarious, thanks for the laughs.

  • Jelperman

    gordonbloyershow said:
    Glenn Beck has never mentioned the Little Big Horn. I guess you got that first person too? LOL.
    So you read the first person INDIAN view of the battle. LOL. I guess they wouldn’t lie? LOL I got straight A’s in history. I know history is not perfect. It is a lot of guess work based on many sources. No one can be sure what happened at the Little Big Horn. There are many conflicting stories. People believe the ones they want too. You being a person that hates America you choose the negative story. YOU are the biggest idiot posting here today. Go back to the happy hunting ground and play with the “White Buffalo”.

    There aren’t any conflicting stories about what happened at the Little Big Horn (at most it’s a matter of who said what to whom before Custer led his men into an obvious ambush by a larger and better-armed opponent), since the first-person accounts include not only the Sioux, but members of the 7th Cavalry who gave sworn statements at the official inquiries that were held afterward. The US Army called Custer’s actions that got his unit wiped out reckless.

    You might try reading a few books on the subject, but you’d have to remove your white hood to do that.

  • Jelperman

    I guess Obama shouldn’t have included George Washington, an incompetent general who almost lost the Revolutionary War (losing battle after battle to British in spite of outnumbering them 3,4 and sometimes 5 to 1) and a slave owner.

    It says a lot about Republitards that they’re offended more Billie Holiday’s drug use than Washington’s use of slave labor.

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    On a dark road in a rural county, miles from any light stomps the feet of the far right, angry buffoon who believes what the propagandists of the self-contained, right wing media sphere claim. Witness exhibit A:

    demjerkoffs says:
    “journalism is not practiced by cnn/msnbc and the rest of liberal media…the proof is obama and how he got elected…the dem party is nothing but socialist and communist=un-Americans”

    Ladies and gentlemen, you have wondered down the very dark road away from the light of reason, away from normal consciousness that we all accept as cognitive and rational and you have entered The Twilight Zone of someone’s dark and paranoid imagination. No amount of light, no presentation of the facts contrary to this sad, sleeping personality will create even so much as a flicker of reason or truth because in this Zone, Fox has achieved what no government with all of their resources of propaganda put together could achieve: the complete and permanent stupification of the rural, American corporate tool. A stunning achievement by any standard.

  • Scott_in_MI

    Jelperman said:
    Las Casas was shocked by the atrocities against the Indians which were allowed by Columbus.

    Oh now Columbus “allowed” the murders…yesterday he actually was the muderer.

  • Just4thefax

    Some_Dude said:
    Truthfully, if Obama praised Jesus Christ Fox News would find a way to spin it into a negative story. They’re a one trick pony. Teabagger News.

    Fact: Fox News Points out liberal d-bagger, left nut policies letting viewer decide.

  • Scott_in_MI

    GlennBeckReview said:
    If you think I consider Beck worthy of emotion strong enough to warrant hatred, then you are IGNORANT of how I actually feel

    POOR BITTER MAN. JUST SAYING YOU DONT HATE BECK DOESN’T DISQUISE YOUR OBVIOUS SCORN OF THE MAN. SHIT, YOU’VE GOT AN ENTIRE WEBSITE FOLLOWING BECK’S EVERY WORD. YOU EVEN STATE IN YOUR BLOG THAT YOU FOREGO YOUR ENTERTAINMENT AND FOLLOWING BECK HAS TAKEN UP YOUR LIFE.

    I’VE GOT A SUGGESTION FOR YOU. TAKE 10 DEEP BREATHS, CLOSE YOUR EYES AND REPEAT THIS MANTRA: HAPPY THOUGHTS, HAPPY THOUGHTS, HAPPY THOUGHTS. ALSO, SMILE A LITTLE BIT. IT’LL MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER. IN YOUR PICTURE, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU JUST HEARD BECK TALK ABOUT SOROS.

    REMEMBER, HAPPY THOUGHTS

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    gordonbloyershow said:
    “Glenn Beck has never mentioned the Little Big Horn. I guess you got that first person too? LOL.
    So you read the first person INDIAN view of the battle. LOL. I guess they wouldn’t lie? LOL I got straight A’s in history. I know history is not perfect. It is a lot of guess work based on many sources. No one can be sure what happened at the Little Big Horn. There are many conflicting stories. People believe the ones they want too. You being a person that hates America you choose the negative story. …”.

    Jelperman says:

    ‘”You might try reading a few books on the subject, but you’d have to remove your white hood to do that.”

    OH SNAP! Gorden would have to remove his hood and don his feces colored glasses that he wears to read the news. Those glasses help with the extremely biased assimilation that explains his vast misunderstanding of our world.

  • Scott_in_MI

    GlennBeckReview said:
    OH SNAP! Gorden would have to remove his hood and don his feces colored glasses that he wears to read the news. Those glasses help with the extremely biased assimilation that explains his vast misunderstanding of our world.

    Happy Thought GBR, Happy Thoughts. Breathe in breathe out. See, can’t you already feel the consuming hate exit your body? Breathe son, breathe

  • Jelperman

    Scott_in_MI said:
    Oh now Columbus “allowed” the murders…yesterday he actually was the muderer.

    You really are dishonest little fucktard, aren’t you? Columbus was governor and let his men rape, torture and kill as much as they liked. That makes him a murderer, just as Heinrich Himmler was a murderer even though he never did the deed himself and let his men do his dirty work. John Gotti also had flunkies to do his killings for him, which means he was a murderer, too. General Yamashita was hanged as a war criminal because as governor of the Japanese-occupied Philippines, he allowed Japanese soldiers and sailors to loot, rape, torture and kill.

    So yes, Columbus was in fact a murderer.

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    Scott_in_MI says:
    “Happy Thought GBR, Happy Thoughts. Breathe in breathe out. See, can’t you already feel the consuming hate exit your body? Breathe son, breathe”

    Awww, I called out your soul-mate, Gordon, the blow hard with a show, Bloyer, and you think I am consumed by hatred? Actually, when Bloyer baselessly called me a liar, I was loathing him at every opportunity, yes. I hate Bloyer for lying about me. You got me there Scott.

    What would you think of me if I baselessly called you a liar? I’m sure that you’d be all happy thoughts, right?

    WRONG! Don’t criticize me until you’ve walked a mile in my shoes.

    Of course you miss the serious point I was making. Bloyer and other reactionaries like Beck (like you Scott?) assimilate information in such a manner that your understanding is biased by the damaged neuro-connections in your brain. As I wrote elsewhere, Fox is very effective with their brain washing.

  • Scott_in_MI

    GlennBeckReview said:
    Bloyer and other reactionaries like Beck (like you Scott?) assimilate information in such a manner that your understanding is biased by the damaged neuro-connections in your brain.

    GBR

    It’s very common for a patient to resist when they’ve been shown the disorder which afflicts them. This Beck Derangement Syndrome has filled you with hate and this has caused you to lash out by saying those who disagree with you have brain damage. Despite you saying this about me, I don’t hate you- I don’t even know you. I actually feel sorry for you that you cant debate in a civilized manner. Its actually pathetic how your hatred has taken over your rational thought.

  • Scott_in_MI

    Jelperman said:
    Columbus was governor and let his men rape, torture and kill as much as they liked. That makes him a murderer

    Until you can show me actualy orders with Columbus ordering his men to “rape, torture and kill” your theory that C.C. is a murderer is just conjecture.

  • stephenpyle

    Moving past the history of it alll, they were wrong to title the article that way. Good move on Fox’s behalf to fix it though.

    I could be off (let me know if I am), but I don’t think Fox new’s website holds the same bias that some of its personalities do.

  • http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

    Jelperman said:
    You might try reading a few books on the subject, but you’d have to remove your white hood to do that.

    I have read books on the subject and I have also viewed several documentarys on the subject. None of them CLAIM that they have the total answer. All of Custers men were killed. Reno’s men and others were NOT there. If you know anything about how stories are exagerated you would know we can only speculate on the TOTAL truth of the stories.
    The fact that YOU think YOU know the truth tells everyone that you don’t know what you are talking about.

  • hanoisteve

    gordonbloyershow said:
    As to Sitting Bull did not personally kill Custer, the left on the Huff Po. often says President Bush has killed innocent people in Iraq. Is there any evidence he personally killed ANYONE? So where is the BIG error there?

    No grandpa Gordon, Bush personally authorized the missile strike on that restaurant and the neighborhood that they thought Sadam was in at the very start of the invasion. The first salvo as it were. How many dozens innocent people died in that attack that missed Sadam (more bad intelligence). I would hold Bush responsible for that. in the same way people hold Bin Laden responsible for the 9/11 attacks, he did not fly the planes into the buildings him self but…..you know.

  • pakattak

    Scott_in_MI said:
    Until you can show me actualy orders with Columbus ordering his men to “rape, torture and kill” your theory that C.C. is a murderer is just conjecture.

    By that token, doesn’t that also mean the fact that Columbus DIDN’T order his men to “rape, torture and kill” could also be considered conjecture?

  • Peter12

    Hillary don’t make me laugh with your comment “If Fox wants viewers to take it seriously as a news organization”
    look at these results and see if Fox is taken seriously.

    Fox News CNN MSNBC CNN Headline News
    5 pm Beck 595
    Blitzer 75
    Matthews 123
    Showbiz 89
    6 pm Baier 523
    Blitzer 74
    Ed Show 183
    Prime 144
    7 pm Shep 489
    King, USA 86
    Matthews 188
    Issues 218
    8 pm O’Reilly 975
    ParkerSpitzer 87
    Olbermann 277
    Grace 235
    9 pm Hannity 598
    King 153
    Maddow 314
    Behar 119
    10 pm Van Susteren 365
    Cooper 179
    O’Donnell 241
    Grace 174
    11 pm O’Reilly 422
    Cooper 128
    Olbermann 129
    Showbiz 150
    TOTAL DAY 371 92 127 150
    PRIME TIME 647 140 277 174
    Data by Nielsen Media Research. Live and same day (DVR) data.
    TV NEWS RATINGS: TOTAL VIEWERS (L +SD)

    Fox News CNN MSNBC CNN Headline News
    5 pm Beck 2297
    Blitzer 499
    Matthews 517
    Showbiz 221
    6 pm Baier 2273
    Blitzer 404
    Ed Show 712
    Prime 305
    7 pm Shep 1958
    King, USA 393
    Matthews 577
    Issues 657
    8 pm O’Reilly 3522
    ParkerSpitzer 357
    Olbermann 1140
    Grace 870
    9 pm Hannity 2347
    King 749
    Maddow 1139
    Behar 561
    10 pm Van Susteren 1775
    Cooper 704
    O’Donnell 859
    Grace 537
    11 pm O’Reilly 1491
    Cooper 451
    Olbermann 409
    Showbiz 399
    TOTAL DAY 1510 373 464 359
    PRIME TIME 2550 604 1046 652
    Data by Nielsen Media Research. Live and same day (DVR) dat

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/latest-ratings-spell-cnn-woe-blitzer-king-parkerspitzer-hit-serious-lows-against-fnc-msnbc-even-hln/

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    Scott_in_MI says:
    It’s very common “for a patient to resist when they’ve been shown the disorder which afflicts them. This Beck Derangement Syndrome has filled you with hate”

    Nice try, Scott in Lalaland, but I don’t hate Beck. Many of my collaborators do hate Beck and for good reason, but I actually have reason to appreciate Beck for motivating me to get back into the game of political discourse.

    Like I wrote, it is beyond your comprehension to understand why Beck raises the hackles of many church goers, many conservatives, all liberals, many Christians who believe that he is a member of a cult and of everyone who is informed about the facts that he ignores to make up his own.

    You can rationalize your pathetic support for this despicable rodeo clown and now self-proclaimed messenger of God, but in the final analysis Beck is a reactionary blow hard who deceives his audience about the topic that he really doesn’t understand very well.

    I’m sure that we’ll be crossing swords again, so you’d better come up with something better than your shallow, pseudo-psychological analysis. I have forgotten more about psychology than you’ll ever grasp.

  • Scott_in_MI

    Breathe GBR breathe. Once you accept the fact that you’re consumed and obsessed with Beck, you’ll be able of move one with your life. . . perhaps you’ll even be able to watch basketball again young man.

    ok, on the count of three…1…2…3… deep breathe, release.

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    Scott_in_MI says:
    “perhaps you’ll even be able to watch basketball again young man.”

    1) I’m watching my Orange.
    2) Your ignorance keeps showing. I’m not a young man.

    That’s the key to being a defender and supporter of the biggest liar on television: ignorance.

    Informed people can listen to Beck and know that he’s lying; Fox informed people are clueless enough to swallow the nonsense Beck spews without thinking, “wait: that’s not true.”

    Fox informed people = misinformed people.

    Suck, Scott in MI, suck. You’re really good at it.

  • Scott_in_MI

    Good for you GBR, you’re starting to make progress. As you know, your obsession w/ Beck prevented you from watching basketball or even reading (from your own words,) but now you’re losing some of the hatred which fills you and this gives you time to watch your Orangemen. I’m so glad I didn’t give up on you, however, you still have far to go.

    My goal for you this week is to only spend 8 hours of your day obsessing about Beck instead of the normal 16 hours a day. Use the extra time to take a walk, see a movie or just relax. Remember, the hate which consumes you is like an anchor.

    Happy thoughts GBR, happy thoughts.

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    Question: what’s Glenn Beck getting nervous about?

    I just happen to be privy to the answer:
    http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/11/what-is-glenn-beck-getting-nervous.html

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    Scott_in_MI says:
    “As you know, your obsession w/ Beck prevented you from watching basketball or even reading..”

    This is kind of creepy. Yes, I’ve mentioned this in the past. You, unless your comment name has escaped my notice, have not been posting comments here that long. I’m guessing that you were some other comment name who got banned from MediaFight, so you’re back now as someone else.

    You need to understand that I see what Beck is up to as an information struggle between truth and what Beck puts out: truthiness. I see this struggle as something that needs to be won by the forces of fact and honesty. I see the future of our nation threatened by truthiness, so I’m committed to continue focusing on Beck while I work on my update to Overton’s Window.

    And this is the crux of your false accusations toward me. I have many irons in the fire. I don’t express my ideas about any of them here at Mediafight EXCEPT the iron that I pull out to shove into Beck’s various orifices. YOu, with your uptight obsession with me, therefore falsely accuse me of having an obsession with a man responsible for stupifying millions of gullible sheep.

    Actually, I’m glad to have a focus on Beck. As he talks about a wide variety of topics, I too get to address those same topics to demonstrate how little Beck knows about them.

    YOu seem to suffer from rectal-cranial inversion as I have pointed out to you that I don’t hate Beck and explained why. I point this out on my blog, butt you can’t extract your head from your anus long enough to actually understand the subject (me) that you’re arrogantly addressing. In other words, in some ways you’re doing the kind of thing your hero does, arrogantly criticize someone that you don’t have a clue about.

    That’s cool. I’ve written this before and don’t mind repeating it: I love mocking morons. By all means, keep up your idiotic and baseless assault on me.

  • Scott_in_MI

    Poor poor GBR, I’m only trying to help you young man. Well not really. I’ve been a puppet master. I’ve been mocking you the entire time. I crack myself up with while writing my comments because I knew each one would set you off and I knew exactly what your responses would be. Your obsession has also made you predicatable.

    You say you’re not obsessed w/ Beck, yet the evidence proves otherwise. In this thread about Sitting Bull, your original comment automatically brings Beck into it despite the story having nothing to do with the man. This is just one example, but you do this in EVERY post you write. Its sounds like Beck is so far in your head that he is “stupidfying” you.

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    Scott_in_MI said:
    “Oh now Columbus “allowed” the murders…yesterday he actually was the muderer.”

    Jelperman says:
    “You really are dishonest little fucktard, aren’t you?”

    So gland that I’m not the only one to have noticed this.

  • Marc Levy

    Why does Hillary Busis’ post say of Fox that “there is evidence that proves much of the channel really is fair and balanced” when the link is to a post that talks about a single night of coverage? Was it supposed to direct the reader to a different link?

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    Marc Levy says:
    “Why does Hillary Busis’ post say of Fox that “there is evidence that proves much of the channel really is fair and balanced” when the link is to a post that talks about a single night of coverage? ”

    It’s called cherry picking facts to prove your overall falsehood.

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    Scott_in_MI says:
    “You say you’re not obsessed w/ Beck, yet the evidence proves otherwise. In this thread about Sitting Bull, your original comment automatically brings Beck into it despite the story having nothing to do with the man.”

    This is Hillary Busis writing at the end of a story about Colbert giving one of his fear metals to an NPR rep:
    “Maybe Vivian Schiller could let George Soros pose with the medal the next time he drops by the NPR building; we have a feeling Glenn Beck would love that.”

    It’s not hard to tie Beck into a topic, Scott. Or now you’ll argue that Busis is “obsessed” by Beck too.

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