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What did all those do-gooders and lefties, most of whom were the most ardent anti-nuclear activists, get for their pains? Derision from mostly uninformed, unsympathetic people. Until the Japan quake plans were well underfoot in this country to resume building many more nuclear plants. Fortunately, this is now a dead issue. It would be great to see all you smart asses out there really start pushing for alternative sources. if you weren’t so bamboozled by the pro “Drill baby drill” people you would understand that we need the help of the government to develope alternative energy sources since the short-sighted private sector can’t or is unwilling to do it. Many of you seem to be completely caught up in this extreme capitalistic mindset that relegates government to be just the handmaiden of oil companies and awful polluters like the Koch Brothers. Also, when you have mugwumps like Sen Lieberman changing his mind about nuclear energy you know it’s over for nuclear power.

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ganymede said:
What did all those do-gooders and lefties, most of whom were the most ardent anti-nuclear activists, get for their pains? Derision from mostly uninformed, unsympathetic people. Until the Japan quake plans were well underfoot in this country to resume building many more nuclear plants. Fortunately, this is now a dead issue. It would be great to see all you smart asses out there really start pushing for alternative sources. if you weren’t so bamboozled by the pro “Drill baby drill” people you would understand that we need the help of the government to develope alternative energy sources since the short-sighted private sector can’t or is unwilling to do it. Many of you seem to be completely caught up in this extreme capitalistic mindset that relegates government to be just the handmaiden of oil companies and awful polluters like the Koch Brothers. Also, when you have mugwumps like Sen Lieberman changing his mind about nuclear energy you know it’s over for nuclear power.

I hope it is over for nuclear power, it should be. The biggest lie perpetrated by the energy and nuclear lobby and amplified by their Republican and Democratic enablers is that “nuclear is safe”. They know it isn’t and they knew that it was a matter of time before there was another disaster that promised to make Chernyobyl look like a picnic. I hope that Fukushima isn’t that time and we dodge another bullet. But if we continue to use nuclear while ignoring the consequences I can promise you that it is a matter of time before something so tragic and horrible happens that we cant even begin to fathom what it will mean for our future.

So? What you right winged pro-corporate schmucks gotta say now? Except… (((YOUR WRONG!)))
Put’n nukes on a fault line is suicide. BC, California… All could have cheap energy just by drill’n into da dam ground. There is enough geothermal energy in both locations to light up the western seaboard, forever.
But Nooo… Don’t do that. Just build a radioactive cell to heat water on da fault line. Noth’n will go wrong.

Iceland, Costa Rica… All use geothermal very successfully. And they use our energy scientists to do it.

What’s wrong with us?

Oh No!! There goes Tokyo!! Go go Godzilla!

Color Me Badd said:
They know it isn’t and they knew that it was a matter of time before there was another disaster that promised to make Chernyobyl look like a picnic.

Nonsense. Chernobyl was utterly avoidable. Cut rate design and irresponsible operation led to a catastrophe that cannot and will not happen at Fukushima. Here’s a summation of what’s going on at Fukushima from someone who, unlike every reporter/talking head on the planet, actually knows what he’s talking about.

Wallycrawler said:
So? What you right winged pro-corporate schmucks gotta say now? Except… (((YOUR WRONG!)))

That you should stop using evil, right wing electricity. Start with unplugging your computer.

Color Me Badd said:
I hope it is over for nuclear power, it should be. The biggest lie perpetrated by the energy and nuclear lobby and amplified by their Republican and Democratic enablers is that “nuclear is safe”.

Wallycrawler said:
So? What you right winged pro-corporate schmucks gotta say now? Except… (((YOUR WRONG!)))
Put’n nukes on a fault line is suicide. BC, California… All could have cheap energy just by drill’n into da dam ground. There is enough geothermal energy in both locations to light up the western seaboard, forever.

ganymede said:
Many of you seem to be completely caught up in this extreme capitalistic mindset that relegates government to be just the handmaiden of oil companies and awful polluters like the Koch Brothers.

President Obama today said that safe, new nuclear power plants are a “necessity” as he announced more than $8 billion in federal loan guarantees to build the first nuclear power plant in three decades.

“Investing in nuclear energy remains a necessary step,” the president said today at the IBEW Local Headquarters in Lanham, Maryland, “What I hope is that, with this announcement, we’re underscoring both our seriousness in meeting the energy challenge and our willingness to look at this challenge, not as a partisan issue , but as a matter that’s far more important than politics because the choices we make will affect not just the next generation but many generations to come.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/02/obama-says-safe-nuclear-power-plants-are-a-necessary-investment.html

no comments on Obama?

Nobodys_Stooge said:
Oh No!! There goes Tokyo!! Go go Godzilla!

I gave you one thumbs up, but if you’re referencing the vastly superior Racer X cover, I’ll find a way to give you two.

Wallycrawler said:
Iceland, Costa Rica… All use geothermal very successfully. And they use our energy scientists to do it.

What’s wrong with us?

Iceland has about 3% of the population of Los Angeles. What’s wrong with us is that you’re not good at math.

Wallycrawler said:

Iceland, Costa Rica… All use geothermal very successfully. And they use our energy scientists to do it.

What’s wrong with us?

Costa Rica does NOT depend on Geothermal energy; they use diesel generators very often to provide steady energy to the country, I know, I lived there 2 years recently. Their electric rates are extremely high for what you get.

btw, the explosions you are seeing at these nuclear plants is Hydrogen and Water…very low doses of radiation are being released, and the containment silos are holding the dangerous radiation inside. Nuclear works. An 8.9 earthquake is very hard to engineer for, systems will fail but …as we see in Japan, there are not lethal or life threatening doses of radiation being released even after these failures.

flagringo said:
as we see in Japan, there are not lethal or life threatening doses of radiation being released even after these failures.

BUT BUT BUT WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HEARD IT ON TV!!!!!!!

An 8.9 earthquake is very hard to engineer for

Yeah, Fukushima was designed to withstand an 8.0. The quake has been upgraded to 9.0, which is nothing short of astonishing.

Pablo said:
Nonsense. Chernobyl was utterly avoidable. Cut rate design and irresponsible operation led to a catastrophe that cannot and will not happen at Fukushima. Here’s a summation of what’s going on at Fukushima from someone who, unlike every reporter/talking head on the planet, actually knows what he’s talking about.

Thanks Pablo.

I find it amazing that nobody has commented on who knows what the refinery explosion unleashed. Of course, that would not give the misery whores in the media a chance to yell about meltdowns and such. Just an explosion and raging fire at a refinery.

Nothing is engineered to withstand an earthquake and tsunami of this magnitude, nor can they be. Those are facts.

And this is only the third such event at a nuclear plant in all the years they have been operating. Chernobyl was a mess from the beginning with a poorly designed, built and operated plant. They ignored multiple warnings. Three Mile Island resulted in precisely zero deaths or injuries.

If I read the enviro-loons correctly, they want to eliminate oil, coal and nuclear, leaving geo-thermal which is relatively untested and does involve tapping into the earth and solar, which, while improving, remains economically non-viable for now.

flagringo said:
Costa Rica does NOT depend on Geothermal energy; they use diesel generators very often to provide steady energy to the country, I know, I lived there 2 years recently. Their electric rates are extremely high for what you get.

Really? You lived there and didn’t notice those volcanoes and the Canadian made power plant? Or the two others in production? Really. I just came back. Very noticeable things those plants. In fact the nation is very proud of them. Funny how you , being there for two years didn’t notice them? Also they pay about 11-20 cents per KWH. Not high as I pay? Probably not as much as you? Why would you lie? I’ll never know. Why cant you just say dam I’m wrong and I don’t know anything? Or better yet keep your gob shut and don’t comment when you don’t know anything!

http://www.metaefficient.com/renewable-power/costa-rica-is-99-powered-by-renewable-energy.html

Read it asshole!

For the record, I really hope the backup diesel generators are repaired. A large crew working on these should be able to fix them relatively quickly if the area is not radioactive. If the utility had made fixing these a priority they would not have to use seawater. An alternative would have been to airlift a large genset in by helicopter.

The disaster planning looks a little shoddy by the Japanese utility. The aftermath looks to have been preventable although the quake and tsunami were huge.

From the article cited by Pablo:
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Within the 8 hours, another power source had to be found and connected to the power plant. The power grid was down due to the earthquake. The diesel generators were destroyed by the tsunami. So mobile diesel generators were trucked in.

This is where things started to go seriously wrong. The external power generators could not be connected to the power plant (the plugs did not fit). So after the batteries ran out, the residual heat could not be carried away any more.”
(End Quote)

This is what we call a lack of planning, along without thinking outside the box. If I had told my engineer boss the above quote, he would have said make it work anyway, or you are fired. The plugs don’t fit, and you are going to lose a $1billion reactor because of it? Cut the plugs off and wire it in. Incorrect voltages?(A frequent problem with Asian equipment.) Use a power supply to interconvert it. This isn’t pretty but will work. Better planning would have meant that the offside gensets had the correct plugs from the start. This shows the incompetence of the utility’s engineers in the field of basic electrical engineering. Sad.