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Howard Dean: Fox News Is A ‘Well-Funded, Right-Wing Propaganda Organization’

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Former Democratic candidate for President Howard Dean unleashed some harsh comments about the Tea Party, Republicans and Fox News, in a recent speech at Carnegie Mellon University in Pennsylvania. Warning that “the right wing desire to run things differently is threatening to the country,” Dean (the self-described “professional media hater”) proves here to be willing to hold nothing back.

Dean, the media critic, offered this assessment of the different cable news channels:

“There’s a difference between Fox and MSNBC. They’re both bias. . . . Bias is not the problem, it’s something that makes us mad, but it’s not the problem. It’s when you become a propaganda outlet. What Fox News says is often not true, and they know it’s not true and they say it anyway. It is not a news organization, it is a very expensive, incredibly well-funded, right-wing propaganda organization.”

By comparison, Dean says “the facts on MSNBC true” and cites the “death panels” as an example of a lie Fox repeated during the healthcare debate. Although he doesn’t hold Sarah Palin responsible for saying “death panels,” since politicians can say whatever they want, he is unwilling to forgive Fox for repeating it. As for the Tea Party, he alleges they are “going off the deep end” because its members are angry they are all over 55, white and shrinking in size. With such a passionate speech, some might not have been surprised if Dean ended it with his infamous “Dean Scream,” yet he admits the coverage of that incident contributes to some of his anger towards the media.

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  • cjd ohio 1

    Dean is a fool

  • NeoKong

    Howard prefers the real hard hitting unbiased news sources…like MSNBC.

  • JacksonGibbs

    MSNBC not propaganda? Olbermann’s nightly, hate-filled attacks on Bush when Olbermann still had a job? Matthews with the tingle? Matthews nightly, hate-filled, ad hominem attacks against Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin? (And yes, just because they’re women.) Ed Schultz, the bloated blowhard who’s about as smart as he is handsome?

    Yeah Howie, MSNBC is not propaganda. I love it when the left shows off the type of sore losers they are. The GOP didn’t launch attacks at MSNBC after 2006 or 2008. I guess conservatives have these crazy beliefs, such as a belief in the freedom of press and freedom of speech. I guess the right is plain nutty that way.

  • Nacho

    NeoKong said:
    Howard prefers the real hard hitting unbiased news sources…like MSNBC.

    He said MSNBC was biased.

  • Barack Must Go

    Dean is nothing more than a caged ( his own people shun him like the pariah he truly has become ), monkey throwing his own feces at his the wall of his enclosure, praying to the God he swears does not exist, in the hopes that something sticks.

    Sadly, as al the times before, he just sits there, dumbfounded, in a pile of his own _____ with no actual story to tell……..so like any loyal, morally bankrupt liberal / progressive, he makes it up.

  • Nacho

    JacksonGibbs said:
    MSNBC not propaganda? Olbermann’s nightly, hate-filled attacks on Bush when Olbermann still had a job? Matthews with the tingle? Matthews nightly, hate-filled, ad hominem attacks against Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin? (And yes, just because they’re women.) Ed Schultz, the bloated blowhard who’s about as smart as he is handsome?

    Yeah Howie, MSNBC is not propaganda. I love it when the left shows off the type of sore losers they are. The GOP didn’t launch attacks at MSNBC after 2006 or 2008. I guess conservatives have these crazy beliefs, such as a belief in the freedom of press and freedom of speech. I guess the right is plain nutty that way.

    I noticed you didn’t try to deny the fact that FoxNews IS propaganda.

  • macombman

    Is ther anything worse than a Democrat in front of an open mike?..LOL
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuxtmEUGvlA

  • tgk

    Wash, rinse, repeat…………

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dronetek-Bulk-Vanderhuge/100000918732763 Dronetek

    Democrats/left wingers just cant stand a different point of view from their own. If they had their way the media would be a 24/7 unopposed, left wing echo chamber.

  • im_lovin_it

    Does Fox even pretend it’s not biased anymore? I thought their whole argument now was that they were just “balancing out the liberal media.” That’s a great rationale. Well we have to blow smoke up your ass to make up for all the lying other people are doing. We Report. You Decide!………….to throw your TV out the window.

  • JacksonGibbs

    @Nacho Nope, didn’t deny it. Granted, I don’t watch FoxNews (except for Red Eye, but just for the comedy) so I can’t really talk about the shows, but I do like to watch MSNBC. I never liked to surround myself with those opinions I agree with, instead looking to have my views challenged. And MSNBC has proven to be nothing other than a propaganda machine.

  • TrollJuice

    Fox News’ Newscorp is registered as an “entertainment” channel. Not news.

  • right-is-wrong

    macombman said:
    Is ther anything worse than a Democrat in front of an open mike?..LOL
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuxtmEUGvlA

    Yes,
    A dumbass Republican who thinks thats funny

  • TfT

    What a joke the screamer is. Poor Howard. he can’t stand that one outlet, and only one outlet, allows the republicans to have a voice – ONE. And howie can’t stand it. That is why the left is losing it, they don’t want debate, they don’t want truth, its their way or the highway.

    Howie thinks Rachel tells you the truth, and Big Ed, and the spitter. Now that is just down right funny stuff.

    poor howie, he can’t tell right from wrong, which is why he lives on the left.

  • Nacho

    JacksonGibbs said:
    @Nacho Nope, didn’t deny it. Granted, I don’t watch FoxNews (except for Red Eye, but just for the comedy) so I can’t really talk about the shows, but I do like to watch MSNBC. I never liked to surround myself with those opinions I agree with, instead looking to have my views challenged. And MSNBC has proven to be nothing other than a propaganda machine.

    I think there is a difference between extreme bias and propaganda.

    FoxNews is a machine that can focus on an issue or a policy and create their own reality out it.

    MSNBC has a few left wing hosts that are extremely bias and protective of their views.

  • Yukon Jack

    Nothing and nobody (well perhaps a few exceptions) defines intellectual vacuum better than Howard Dean.

  • JacksonGibbs

    @Nacho Let’s be serious. There is no difference except for the area of the political spectrum which each side inhabits. Come on. MSNBC is a machine that can focus on an issue and create their own reality as well. See: Tea Party is racist. How so? Never said. Just said a lot of the attendees were white. See: Tea Partiers shouting racist insults at Black Democratic Congressmen. Evidence? None. But that went on for a while. See: Palin caused the shooting of Giffords. Evidence? None. But that got a lot of play on MSNBC. Let’s not split imaginary hairs. MSNBC is straight up propaganda. No ands, ifs, or buts about it. The right just doesn’t attack because, besides me, I don’t know who watches MSNBC.

  • lobodons

    Why is this news? Dean is just stating the obvious.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tucker-Peterson/721293033 Tucker Peterson

    Fox doesn’t hold anybody accountable more then any other news. You got Hannity and Beckel acting like they have some sort of convictions about issue’s when they are just entertaining buddy’s .
    And fair and balance isn’t finding one or two people that disagree with a 1000 . Some things are not suppose to balance . So not a good thing . They are Entertainment .They all are . Yet they drive the agenda machine rather then people . That sucks !

  • Joe Astroturf

    Fox eventually will be the only news left and no coward like Dean who ran when his brother was killed back in the 70′s or a liberal Muslim Brotherhood loving President will be able to force us to watch the fringe media that no longer reports news as they take our country away.

    Please Check out song called teapartiers I can’t hear you at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJfboOindCo

    Here’s a verse

    When he lost his commie czar it must have knocked off his sox
    theirs actually someone reporting news but its only Fox
    he still has another czar Chavez loving lloyd
    he’s busy trying to make free speech null and void

    Corpsemen in the 57 states as your dying
    Jeff Jones will be laughing so much he’ll be crying
    now you know why they had you read that death book
    don’t you wish you had money like Rangle the crook
    you invested 50 years to safe guard your health care
    Nancy gives it to illegals and thinks that its fare

  • felixw

    Compare the two networks: Fox and MSNBC. The first allows frank, open discussion of the leading issues of the days, with all political perspectives represented every evening of the week. The second dishes up hit pieces, smears and partisan spin, without allowing the victims of their attacks to respond, and censoring all discussions to maintain political correctness and ideological one-sidednesss — all this funded by one of the largest corporations in the world (that got billions in secret government money and tax breaks).

    Now which one of those is the well-funded propaganda organization?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Clifford-EElisary/1434665168 Clifford E.Elisary

    For you Right Wing A**Holes that could not see a real News Network if it bit you in the ASS, when Fox News give JAMES CARVILLE, a three hour show in the Morning like MSNBC gave Joe Scarborough, than maybe we can start talking about BIAS in the News Networks. If you truly believe that Fox is not Bias you are to far gone an no argument will ever convince you, and if no logical argument can convince you that alone makes you a F**KEN IDIOT!!!

  • HuskersLoveBo

    After Sammon’s latest admission, how any person can state FAUX News has any credibility left simply has their buried where the sun does not shine and the grass does not grow. If you doubt it, please list all the times a main stream media outlet has resorted to “mischievous speculation” and then attempted to justify their actions by claiming that it was not speculation because the story received a great deal of play in the media. Well, the only network where it received a great deal of play was, get this- FAUX News. Sad, simply sad.

  • cjd ohio 1

    Clifford E.Elisary said:
    For you Right Wing A**Holes that could not see a real News Network if it bit you in the ASS, when Fox News give JAMES CARVILLE, a three hour show in the Morning like MSNBC gave Joe Scarborough, than maybe we can start talking about BIAS in the News Networks. If you truly believe that Fox is not Bias you are to far gone an no argument will ever convince you, and if no logical argument can convince you that alone makes you a F**KEN IDIOT!!!

    morning joe, one moderate and three liberals lol

  • lobodons

    GOP paid candidates on Fox: 3 and counting (Palin, Huckabee and Kasich)
    Dem paid candidates on Fox: 0
    GOP paid candidates on MSNBC: 0 (maybe Joe, but not yet)
    DEM paid Candidates on MSNBC: 0

  • Paul G

    Hey!!! All you FNC haters here…..THIS IDIOT AGREES WITH YOU!!! AREN’T YOU PROUD??? You going to wear this as a badge of courage?..In fact..next time I see a post here about how FNC lies blahblahblah…All you have to post as proof is….HOWARD DEAN SAYS SO!!!! and you guys talk about Beck………….

  • im_lovin_it

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    morning joe, one moderate and three liberals lol

    Remember when MSNBC gave us Scarborough Country (not such a moderate tone then) and of course, Michael “get AIDS and die” SavageWeiner? MSNBC tried to rip Fox off but they chickened out. Then they muddled around for awhile before Keith took off with his nightly Bush bashing carnival. Now they “lean forward.” At this point Fox and MSNBC should just as well have a pro wrestling showdown on pay per view.

    And people call this news? This is what people use to get information to shape their understanding of the world? That is to say, those that even attempt to watch the news.

  • cjd ohio 1

    im_lovin_it said:
    Remember when MSNBC gave us Scarborough Country (not such a moderate tone then) and of course, Michael “get AIDS and die” SavageWeiner? MSNBC tried to rip Fox off but they chickened out. Then they muddled around for awhile before Keith took off with his nightly Bush bashing carnival. Now they “lean forward.” At this point Fox and MSNBC should just as well have a pro wrestling showdown on pay per view. And people call this news? This is what people use to get information to shape their understanding of the world? That is to say, those that even attempt to watch the news.

    you sound disgusted by both channels

  • im_lovin_it

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    you sound disgusted by both channels

    Definitely. As bad as I think Fox is (and I’m a liberal) I think MSNBC might even be worse. A news network that reports/bitches about what another news network is doing? Hasn’t everyone already made up their minds about Fox by now? The worst part though is that this is what people seem to want now. Just a big screaming freak show masquerading as news.

  • murf

    Here’s a novel idea .. DONT WATCH IT ! HYou paranoid freaks !

    LOL

    Howard’s just butt hurt ObamaCare bombed .. What a joke this guy is .

  • cjd ohio 1

    im_lovin_it said:
    Definitely. As bad as I think Fox is (and I’m a liberal) I think MSNBC might even be worse. A news network that reports/bitches about what another news network is doing? Hasn’t everyone already made up their minds about Fox by now? The worst part though is that this is what people seem to want now. Just a big screaming freak show masquerading as news.

    thanks for your honesty, i will read your opinions on here a little closer, you see through clear glasses

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Clifford-EElisary/1434665168 Clifford E.Elisary

    Joe Scarborough is a True Conservative, he didn’t change his views the Fox- Republican Party changed what the Conservative movement was all about. An you Morons never fail, every time a true Conservative disagrees with you, you call them a RHINO,( THAT REPUBLICAN IN NAME ONLY TO YOU IGNORANT TWITS).

    OK Genius easy question “How many potential Democratic Presidential Candidates work for MSNBC”????? OK Now “How many Republican Potential Candiates work more FOX’??????? Let me tell you A**hole, PALIN, HUCKABEE, BOLTON, AND NOW TRUMP, AND JUST LAID OFF FOR NOW GINGRICH AND THAT CLOWN EX-SENATOR FROM PENN……..Un-Bias, you are to ignorant to be in this conversation, try the Fox Nation site there’s a lot of ignorant fools there for you to talk with, you are way over your head here!!!!

  • JacksonGibbs

    Well, technically Clifford, MSNBC works for the Democratic nominee, not the other way around.

  • ChiliPeppersFan

    JacksonGibbs said:
    MSNBC not propaganda? Olbermann’s nightly, hate-filled attacks on Bush when Olbermann still had a job? Matthews with the tingle? Matthews nightly, hate-filled, ad hominem attacks against Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin? (And yes, just because they’re women.) Ed Schultz, the bloated blowhard who’s about as smart as he is handsome?

    Yeah Howie, MSNBC is not propaganda. I love it when the left shows off the type of sore losers they are. The GOP didn’t launch attacks at MSNBC after 2006 or 2008. I guess conservatives have these crazy beliefs, such as a belief in the freedom of press and freedom of speech. I guess the right is plain nutty that way.

    it’s too bad we didn’t have more people like olbermann speaking out against the war criminal (alleged) instead of fox cheering for the iraq war and calling us who spoke against it ‘unamerican’ and ‘the great unwashed’. ko was pretty harsh with his criticism, but it wasn’t until w gave an interview and was asked what he was giving up for the war. he claimed after a bomb killed a u.n. official he gave up playing golf and when it was found out that he flat out lied about that keith gave a special comment with disgust he had for w.
    you guys always gives mathews a hard time with tingles when he never even said that word. it was close but he said after obama gave a speech about his story of success would only be possible in america…”I was thrilled by that, and I said so. Physically thrilled. When people talk about this country in that way, I am overwhelmed for this country. And they’re making fun of me, fine, for saying that.”
    and hell, i don’t blame him cuz that was a great speech. i get that same thrill when i hear a great version of the star spangled banner before a ball game or when bush said “i can hear you, the rest of the world can hear you, and the people who knocked down these buildings down will hear all of us soon.”
    what is wrong with you guys…have a little pride in how great this country is.

  • ChiliPeppersFan

    JacksonGibbs said:
    Well, technically Clifford, MSNBC works for the Democratic nominee, not the other way around.

    the problem with that is msnbc doesn’t have directors like bill sammon who is carrying the water for the republicans on issues like health care and disparaging obama or people like john moody who had the same job leading up to the 08 elections pushing that ‘madrasa’ crap.

  • JacksonGibbs

    That’s right, @ChiliPeppersFan. Because we mock ol’ Thrills Matthews for his slobbering love for O, we have no pride in this country. Reminds me of when Bush got a lot of crap for his “Bring It On” line. And the left jumped on that, calling him dangerous and a cowboy. What Bush meant by that is that America will face down the terrorists and take them down because our country is great. John Kerry decided to mock Bush by using the “Bring It On” line as a . . . rallying call for his own Presidential campaign. That’s right. When “Bring It On” was used to show American determination and perseverance in the face of struggle, it was mocked. But when it was used by a dude to prop up his campaign, it was super-cool. Give me a break.

  • Yukon Jack

    Clifford E.Elisary said:
    Joe Scarborough is a True Conservative, he didn’t change his views the Fox- Republican Party changed what the Conservative movement was all about. An you Morons never fail, every time a true Conservative disagrees with you, you call them a RHINO,( THAT REPUBLICAN IN NAME ONLY TO YOU IGNORANT TWITS).

    OK Genius easy question “How many potential Democratic Presidential Candidates work for MSNBC”????? OK Now “How many Republican Potential Candiates work more FOX’??????? Let me tell you A**hole, PALIN, HUCKABEE, BOLTON, AND NOW TRUMP, AND JUST LAID OFF FOR NOW GINGRICH AND THAT CLOWN EX-SENATOR FROM PENN……..Un-Bias, you are to ignorant to be in this conversation, try the Fox Nation site there’s a lot of ignorant fools there for you to talk with, you are way over your head here!!!!

    Seeing his pathetic record on everything, Obama WILL have a Democrat challenger for the Presidency, who is brave and honest. It is just a matter of time. Until then there are no Democrats employed by MSNBC or otherwise, appearing as presidential candidates.

    Meantime most liberals will resort to name-callin and most conservatives will maintain dignity.

  • Emma

    Wow! Did stormfront go offline today? Or is there a KKK X-ian Church holiday today? Is Mediaite giving out free pork rind coupons? What’s with the RWNJs today, given that Howard Dean spoke the truth?

  • im_lovin_it

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    thanks for your honesty, i will read your opinions on here a little closer, you see through clear glasses

    Well don’t read too close. A lot of it is just me wasting everybody’s time being a sarcastic jackass. I do like to interact with thoughtful people, though.

    One thing I would like is to see more serious politicians on my television. I don’t want Anthony Weiner and Michele Bachmann acting like terrible, drunken dinner guests. Give me more Paul Ryan and Rand Paul. I’m probably not going to buy everything they’re selling, but at least they seem to have the ability to articulate rational thoughts and defend them with facts. I don’t want to see anymore Donald Trump or Sarah Palin, either. Is Tim Pawlenty running for President? Give that guy some coverage. Tell me about Mitch Daniels. The problem with all of these people though? They’re too boring. Wow, that’s a great way to think about the person you want to have as the President of the United States. We need somebody exciting. Jack Black could win in a landslide.

  • cjd ohio 1

    im_lovin_it said:
    Well don’t read too close. A lot of it is just me wasting everybody’s time being a sarcastic jackass. I do like to interact with thoughtful people, though. One thing I would like is to see more serious politicians on my television. I don’t want Anthony Weiner and Michele Bachmann acting like terrible, drunken dinner guests. Give me more Paul Ryan and Rand Paul. I’m probably not going to buy everything they’re selling, but at least they seem to have the ability to articulate rational thoughts and defend them with facts. I don’t want to see anymore Donald Trump or Sarah Palin, either. Is Tim Pawlenty running for President? Give that guy some coverage. Tell me about Mitch Daniels. The problem with all of these people though? They’re too boring. Wow, that’s a great way to think about the person you want to have as the President of the United States. We need somebody exciting. Jack Black could win in a landslide.

    its cool , i do the samething sometimes, but you are reasonable to , so it will be fun

  • StandUp

    This is the 1st time I’ve ever heard anyone criticize Fox News for being a right-wing propaganda channel.

    When did this stuff start?

  • NeoKong

    Clifford E.Elisary said:
    Joe Scarborough is a True Conservative, he didn’t change his views the Fox- Republican Party changed what the Conservative movement was all about.

    AHhaahahhahaHHahHahahHahHaaaHAHha…(wipes tear)

    Yeah…Joe is the real deal.

  • Chuck from Tacoma

    I find it entertaining to read the pros of old Clifford E. Elisary as he attempts to insult my intelligence as a conservative as he shows his inability to pass 5th grade spelling or grammar.
    I don’t expect you to be able to learn to write a sentence at this stage in your life, but please learn to use the spell check.

  • Color Me Badd

    Howard Dean is right as usual.

  • ChiliPeppersFan

    JacksonGibbs said:
    That’s right, @ChiliPeppersFan. Because we mock ol’ Thrills Matthews for his slobbering love for O, we have no pride in this country. Reminds me of when Bush got a lot of crap for his “Bring It On” line. And the left jumped on that, calling him dangerous and a cowboy. What Bush meant by that is that America will face down the terrorists and take them down because our country is great. John Kerry decided to mock Bush by using the “Bring It On” line as a . . . rallying call for his own Presidential campaign. That’s right. When “Bring It On” was used to show American determination and perseverance in the face of struggle, it was mocked. But when it was used by a dude to prop up his campaign, it was super-cool. Give me a break.

    so i guess since you know how it was wrong to use bush’s ambiguity against him, you will stop making fun of mathews.
    you’re a stand-up guy jackson.

  • Color Me Badd

    Chuck from Tacoma said:
    I find it entertaining to read the pros of old Clifford E. Elisary as he attempts to insult my intelligence as a conservative as he shows his inability to pass 5th grade spelling or grammar.
    I don’t expect you to be able to learn to write a sentence at this stage in your life, but please learn to use the spell check.

    Did you mean “prose”? I love that you spelled “prose” wrong in the same sentence you claimed Clifford was insulting your intelligence. Uh, yeah he was. “prose”

  • Newsjunky

    “What Fox News says is often not true, and they know it’s not true and they say it anyway. It is not a news organization, it is a very expensive, incredibly well-funded, right-wing propaganda organization.”

    On target. Not a Howard Dean fan, but in this case – TRUTH.

    Thankfully, only about 3-4 million people are brainwashed by this opinion channel. That means about 307 million of us know it’s mostly trash spewing forth from that wasteland called Fox News.

  • Color Me Badd

    im_lovin_it said:
    Definitely. As bad as I think Fox is (and I’m a liberal) I think MSNBC might even be worse. A news network that reports/bitches about what another news network is doing? Hasn’t everyone already made up their minds about Fox by now? The worst part though is that this is what people seem to want now. Just a big screaming freak show masquerading as news.

    If you are getting your news from Fox or MSNBC you are probably an idiot. I imagine that is true from most of the comments on Mediaite. They are both completely worthless.

  • Color Me Badd

    I watch Fox way more than MSNBC anyway. Because I love to laugh. That is why their ratings are so high, liberals watch Fox so they can have a laugh.

  • Color Me Badd

    Fox and Friends might be the best comedy on television.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    FOX lies!

  • Newsjunky

    Color Me Badd said:
    If you are getting your news from Fox or MSNBC you are probably an idiot. I imagine that is true from most of the comments on Mediaite. They are both completely worthless.

    Agreed. Both networks are propaganda machines. I do contend that, thankfully, they both appeal only to a very tiny percentage of the adult population in this country.

  • Newsjunky

    “As for the Tea Party, he alleges they are “going off the deep end” because its members are angry they are all over 55, white and shrinking in size.”

    This is also true. What is fun for me to see is watching the Teabaggers hold the Republican party hostage! What a bunch of pussies! But the fact that Republican leadership has allowed the Teabaggers to hold them hostage is a certain win for the Democratic party in 2012 – so please keep being pussies! The vast majority of Americans will never, ever embrace the racist, extreme views of the Teabagging movement. #WINNING!! LMAO

  • silentme63

    Right and Left are one in same they have one goal One World Government period. Dean said Christians are a bigger threat to this nation??? How Dean tell us? They speak TRUTH while you and your Godless thug friends in congress are unable to give us any TRUTH. The Prez is a basket of LIES.

  • Yukon Jack

    StandUp said:
    This is the 1st time I’ve ever heard anyone criticize Fox News for being a right-wing propaganda channel.

    When did this stuff start?

    it probably also escaped your attention that FOX News is NOT a news organization. That rumor started about the same time as the rumor that FOX is a right wing propaganda channel.

    Bring yourself up-to-date already and start watching MSNBC!

  • same2u

    Isn’t sad that so many people allow themselves to be spoon-fed propaganda masked as news simply because they want to impose their views on others, even if it is at the expense of the truth? Yes MSNBC has attempted to copy Foxs’ formula to some extent, but Fox News has led the country down this path so they deserve the overwhelming amount of the criticism.

  • Pablo

    Profitable = well funded in Deanworld. It’s so evil, you don’t even know. YYEEEEAAAARRGHHHH!

  • Yukon Jack

    Color Me Badd said:
    If you are getting your news from Fox or MSNBC you are probably an idiot. I imagine that is true from most of the comments on Mediaite. They are both completely worthless.

    You getting your news from the Comedy Channel obviously puts you in a high-brow, intellectual elite.

    Congratulations!

  • Yukon Jack

    Being separated by only ONE minute, Color Me Badd, your posts at 12:12 and 12:13 display your typical liberal inconsistency and utter lack of logic.

  • Pablo

    JacksonGibbs said:
    @Nacho Let’s be serious. There is no difference except for the area of the political spectrum which each side inhabits.

    While I agree with the rest of your comment, I have to take exception to that. Fox is a news channel, MSLSD is a channel about Fox News.

  • Yukon Jack

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    FOX lies!

    You totally embarrassed and humbled everyone here with your entire vocabulary, above.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    JacksonGibbs said:
    And MSNBC has proven to be nothing other than a propaganda machine.

    Some examples please.

  • Pablo

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    morning joe, one moderate and three liberals lol

    One moderate, three liberals and a Nazi. That’s damned good TV right there. It’s a wonder that nobody watches it.

  • Pablo

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    Some examples please.


    Start here.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    TrollJuice said:
    Fox News’ Newscorp is registered as an “entertainment” channel. Not news.

    WOW Didn’t know that. At least they’re honest about 1 thing.

  • Yukon Jack

    If Howard Dean is confident declaring that FOX is not a news organization, I am confident to declare that Howard Dean is not an MD.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    next we’re “going off the deep end”!
    YYEEEEAAAARRGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Yukon Jack

    All my comments on this and all the other threads are “awaiting moderation” since about 8:00 AM EST.

    I guess all he moderators must be in church. Or even more likely, in mosque.

  • newzmaker

    These white self-labeled Dem ‘elitists’ always have to have a boogie man, since their leftwing ideology is widely rejected by 80% of the American people. Fox News has never made a secret of the fact, that presenting an alternative to the MSM politically correct slant to the news, was a major focus. What part do Dean and his white pseudo-liberal cohorts not understand? Overwhelmingly, minorities vote for these white Dems, and as a strategy to keep minorities from thinking outside the box, politically, these white Dems have to convince minorities, that white non-Dems want to feed them to the alligators, which also includes other terrifying scare tactics. This strategy has worked well for decades, to keep minorities terrified of white Republicans. Personally, I find it disgusting how these phoney so-called white liberal ‘elitists’, use fear as a strategy to keep their voter base ‘in line’, so to speak. Even if minorities are [fearfu]l of the Repubs, white liberal politicians are no better alternative. Listen closely to the rhetoric of these ‘elitist’ white liberals. Their basic MO is to instill fear in people of color, only for political gain. Lastly, imo, these white liberals in DC, are the new white collar version of the “KKK.” Terrify, terrify, terrify….

  • ChrisNH

    Poor Mr. Yaaaaarrrghhhh! His rants against FNC will have no effect whatsoever. It must anger him to a rabid froth to know this is true.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    Pablo said:

    Start here.

    Fail!

  • ChiliPeppersFan

    silentme63 said:
    Right and Left are one in same they have one goal One World Government period. Dean said Christians are a bigger threat to this nation??? How Dean tell us? They speak TRUTH while you and your Godless thug friends in congress are unable to give us any TRUTH. The Prez is a basket of LIES.

    so in other words your first statement is full of shit and it’s all the left’s fault.

  • http://TheDividedStatesBlog.com Publius219

    FoxNation.com, directly linked to at the top of FoxNews.com, if you doubt the veracity of what Dean said.

  • OxyCon

    As for the Tea Party, he alleges they are “going off the deep end” because its members are angry they are all over 55, white and shrinking in size.

    I didn’t know Howard dean was a Teapartyer.

  • ChiliPeppersFan

    ChrisNH said:
    Poor Mr. Yaaaaarrrghhhh! His rants against FNC will have no effect whatsoever. It must anger him to a rabid froth to know this is true.

    of course it will have no effect because everybody knows it’s true. hell, even the simpson’s got their number.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu-oFikerW8&feature=related

  • ChiliPeppersFan

    OxyCon said:
    I didn’t know Howard dean was a Teapartyer.

    dean is shrinking in size? tell us oxy, how well do you know dean?

  • Dem4Ever

    I’m beginning to get the feeling that Howard doesn’t like Fox News very much.

  • Color Me Badd

    Pablo said:

    Start here.

    It should be duly noted that Pablo linked you to a blog that is actually called Hot Air and I totally agree that sure is a lot of Hot Air. Tee Hee.

  • Pablo

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    Fail!

    Yes, you did!

  • Pablo

    Color Me Badd said:
    It should be duly noted that Pablo linked you to a blog that is actually called Hot Air and I totally agree that sure is a lot of Hot Air. Tee Hee.

    Did you watch the clip, nitwit? Do you have any actual argument with the post, or just your usual idiotic ad hominem? Any substantive response? Ever? About anything?

  • Snidely

    And of course he is an unbiased observer… Or is he a politic ian who can say whatever he likes?

  • slickerwick

    I see the campaign season is underway. The Dems and Obots can’t defend their guy’s policies and wars so now they’ll focus on those scary Repubs and whatever other boogeymen are hiding under the bed. Deflect and distract and demonize. Shows desperation and it’s pretty blatant, at that. Why not tout their guy’s accomplishments? What? Can’t think of any that are popular or meaningful?

    If Fox News is so awful, why did Obama agree to his most recent interview with O’Reilly? Why do so many of his flacks appear on that network?

  • ChiliPeppersFan

    newzmaker said:
    These white self-labeled Dem ‘elitists’ always have to have a boogie man, since their leftwing ideology is widely rejected by 80% of the American people. Fox News has never made a secret of the fact, that presenting an alternative to the MSM politically correct slant to the news, was a major focus. What part do Dean and his white pseudo-liberal cohorts not understand? Overwhelmingly, minorities vote for these white Dems, and as a strategy to keep minorities from thinking outside the box, politically, these white Dems have to convince minorities, that white non-Dems want to feed them to the alligators, which also includes other terrifying scare tactics. This strategy has worked well for decades, to keep minorities terrified of white Republicans. Personally, I find it disgusting how these phoney so-called white liberal ‘elitists’, use fear as a strategy to keep their voter base ‘in line’, so to speak. Even if minorities are [fearfu]l of the Repubs, white liberal politicians are no better alternative. Listen closely to the rhetoric of these ‘elitist’ white liberals. Their basic MO is to instill fear in people of color, only for political gain. Lastly, imo, these white liberals in DC, are the new white collar version of the “KKK.” Terrify, terrify, terrify….

    or…that minorities fall disproportionately into a low-to low middle class income range and largely have to rely on medicare and medicaid and paul ryan tells them he will gut these programs for a new voucher-based system. while they cancel programs like head start, meals on wheels for low income seniors and blame all the rich teachers and other public workers who must have destroyed the economy.

  • Pablo

    ChiliPeppersFan said:
    or…that minorities fall disproportionately into a low-to low middle class income range and largely have to rely on medicare and medicaid and paul ryan tells them he will gut these programs for a new voucher-based system. while they cancel programs like head start, meals on wheels for low income seniors and blame all the rich teachers and other public workers who must have destroyed the economy.

    That’s the problem with America, huh? Not enough free shit bought with other people’s money.

  • ChiliPeppersFan

    Pablo said:
    Did you watch the clip, nitwit? Do you have any actual argument with the post, or just your usual idiotic ad hominem? Any substantive response? Ever? About anything?

    c’mon pablo…tell me one time when you accepted a story on media matters or something said by ed shultz

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ed-Durffee/1311278663 Ed Durffee

    The world had only the ultra lib media to listen to for so long that the libs actually believe only they have the right to offer a view of what is happening and why. It just scares the crap out of them when MSNBC and CNN and the rest of the Ultra Lib Media are no longer relevant and FOX has all the listeners and followers. They do because only FOX tells it like it is. Unlike those other puke spewing outlets for what they call news, FOX reports, you make up your own mind. MSM has for ever told us what to believe and no one is buying that crap any more.

  • namseer

    With all the right-wingers on Mediaite spouting their usual ignorant crap, I hope the crazies are right about one thing. When President Obama wins re-election, I will be the FIRST in line to sign up as a correctional officer when we heard all the Tea Baggers and demented righties into the FEMA trailer park camps. I will proudly saddle up and tote a shotgun 12 hours a day to keep law and order as right wingers toil away printing text books that teaches 1st grade kids to support gay marriage and 4th graders that abortion is A-OKAY. It’ll be a BLAST! But only if someone tries to escape ;-)

  • Pablo

    ChiliPeppersFan said:
    c’mon pablo…tell me one time when you accepted a story on media matters or something said by ed shultz

    Tell me one time when I’ve refused to watch it.

  • Pablo

    namseer said:
    With all the right-wingers on Mediaite spouting their usual ignorant crap, I hope the crazies are right about one thing. When President Obama wins re-election, I will be the FIRST in line to sign up as a correctional officer when we heard all the Tea Baggers and demented righties into the FEMA trailer park camps. I will proudly saddle up and tote a shotgun 12 hours a day to keep law and order as right wingers toil away printing text books that teaches 1st grade kids to support gay marriage and 4th graders that abortion is A-OKAY. It’ll be a BLAST! But only if someone tries to escape ;-)

    For freedom!

  • Biscuit

    “The world had only the ultra lib media to listen to for so long that the libs actually believe only they have the right to offer a view of what is happening and why. It just scares the crap out of them when MSNBC and CNN and the rest of the Ultra Lib Media are no longer relevant and FOX has all the listeners and followers. They do because only FOX tells it like it is. Unlike those other puke spewing outlets for what they call news, FOX reports, you make up your own mind. MSM has for ever told us what to believe and no one is buying that crap any more.”

    You must be even to the right of the Nazis if you think the media is liberal, Dittoloser. Thing is about you right-wing males, Ed, is that you are too LAZY to know how to think for yourselves. You just listen to what other good for nothing, lazy, and worthless (think your own father, for instance) right-wing males have to sprout.

    You guys are losers and failures……you can’t think for yourselves…..you would gladly murder your children if Rush or some other fat, homely right-winger told you so. :)

  • Garth

    Pablo said:
    For freedom!

    For you, freedom means a cream filled twinkie. Which come to think it describes you perfectly.

  • Biscuit

    “I see the campaign season is underway. The Dems and Obots can’t defend their guy’s policies and wars so now they’ll focus on those scary Repubs and whatever other boogeymen are hiding under the bed. Deflect and distract and demonize. Shows desperation and it’s pretty blatant, at that. Why not tout their guy’s accomplishments? What? Can’t think of any that are popular or meaningful?

    If Fox News is so awful, why did Obama agree to his most recent interview with O’Reilly? Why do so many of his flacks appear on that network?”

    Ah, don’t you have some poor female to beat the living shit out of to feel like a REAL man, Dittoloser?

    No wonder why smart women don’t go for you buttheads. Learn how to think for yourself for one small moment of your pathetic existence, conservative. :)

  • Biscuit

    macombman says:
    April 3, 2011 at 10:15 am macombman(Quote)
    18 5
    Is ther anything worse than a Democrat in front of an open mike?..LOL
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuxtmEUGvlA

    A murdering, idiotic shit like Reagan looking stupid as usual and looking at Nancy (Mommy!!!) with pleading eyes?

    Nice try, DittoNazi.

  • Biscuit

    Fox eventually will be the only news left and no coward like Dean who ran when his brother was killed back in the 70’s or a liberal Muslim Brotherhood loving President will be able to force us to watch the fringe media that no longer reports news as they take our country away.

    Please Check out song called teapartiers I can’t hear you at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJfboOindCo

    Here’s a verse

    When he lost his commie czar it must have knocked off his sox
    theirs actually someone reporting news but its only Fox
    he still has another czar Chavez loving lloyd
    he’s busy trying to make free speech null and void

    Corpsemen in the 57 states as your dying
    Jeff Jones will be laughing so much he’ll be crying
    now you know why they had you read that death book
    don’t you wish you had money like Rangle the crook
    you invested 50 years to safe guard your health care
    Nancy gives it to illegals and thinks that its fare

    You can’t even SPELL properly, you ignorant conservative (so what else is new?). You jealous, uneducated dumbos sure LOVE being played for FOOLS, huh?

    How come you almost NEVER hear of you right-wing panty-wastes signing up to serve your country? You run like the spinless cowards who fathered you. LOL Must be the stinking, right-wing gene pool. Ugh.

    Ah, come on, conservative, we all know how you boys just love beating up pregnant women or stomping women in the head. Why not get off your lazy, conservative asses, OFF the dole that the rich, liberal states have to hand out to you parasites, and do something with your time? Do something besides raising those rotten, lazy, bigotted brats you call children? LOL

    Really learn how to spell, lazy boy….or do something worthwhile with your sad, pathetic life. Please….liberals are tired of cleaning up after you fools. :)

  • Biscuit

    jdubbleu says:
    April 3, 2011 at 12:34 pm jdubbleu(Quote)
    7 5
    why are you libs so proud of being pussies? seriously…

    /facepalm

    Well, if I was a pussie, I’d be the neighborhood whore, in your case, your mother. I mean, really, if conservative women knew how to raise children, the crime rate wouldn’t be as high as it is. Just saying…..oh….again, how come you WEAK, ignorant little conservative boys NEVER have the GUTS to serve your country?

    Well, weakling? That’s it, conservative boy, you will never be any better than the FAILURE you were born to be. Later, coward. :)

  • BarneyFranken

    Biscuit said:
    ….. Really learn how to spell, lazy boy….or do something worthwhile with your sad, pathetic life. Please….liberals are tired of cleaning up after you fools. :)

    For god sakes learn to use the QUOTE button you retard.

  • Biscuit

    murf says:
    April 3, 2011 at 11:22 am murf(Quote)
    15 5
    Here’s a novel idea .. DONT WATCH IT ! HYou paranoid freaks !

    LOL

    Howard’s just butt hurt ObamaCare bombed .. What a joke this guy is .

    He’s a DOCTOR, what are YOU, just another uneducated, failed conservative boy being played for the ready fool you are?
    I’m sure if you suck up more right-wing spew, you will be set for life. Never mind all those classy, intelligent, worthwhile liberals getting all the acclaim……no sirree…….

    Would you care if somebody in your trashy, two-bit family tripped over a beer bottle, or one of the many neglected brats got a terrible disease and their parents couldn’t afford proper medical care? Joke would be on one those dead losers, huh, conservative? LOL

  • slickerwick

    Biscuit seems not only hate-filled but moronic, a real winning combination. I bet fellow libs are real proud of him/her/it.

  • Yukon Jack

    Yukon Jack said:
    All my comments on this and all the other threads are “awaiting moderation” since about 8:00 AM EST.

    I guess all he moderators must be in church. Or even more likely, in mosque.

    It is now 13:00 EST. Five Hours, and my posts here and all other threads are STILL awaiting moderation.

    Are the moderators lazy, or are they in their mosques or are they just plain stupid?

  • slickerwick

    Another thing, posters who use LOL and variations thereof within their own posts, signaling to one and all that they consider their own words hilarious, “can shampoo my crotch,” ( to quote Jack Nicholson.)

  • Anne 1

    Biscuit said:
    bigotted

    Biscuit said:
    You can’t even SPELL properly

    Biscuit said:
    dumbos

    Biscuit said:
    panty-wastes

    Biscuit said:
    spinless

    Biscuit said:
    Really learn how to spell

    *snicker*

  • slickerwick

    Anne 1 said:
    *snicker*

    Biscuit said:
    bigotted

    Biscuit said:
    You can’t even SPELL properly

    Biscuit said:
    dumbos

    Biscuit said:
    panty-wastes

    Biscuit said:
    spinless

    Biscuit said:
    Really learn how to spell

    *snicker*

    Biscuit is projecting his own faults onto others. He can’t spell so he accuses others of doing the same. And in the process proves that he’s the “dumbo.”

  • Dave Richards

    Howard Dean is a bomb thrower. Nothing more, nothing less. He blames all of the problems on Republicans when it was Democrats who gave us all of the failed social programs responsible for many of the problems we face today. They also gave us public unions who have been the moochers and leeches on our society for decades. They also gave us some of the worst cities in teh country. Look at Detroit, Philadelphia, Camden and New Orleans.

  • Dave Richards

    I challenge anyone to provide documented evidence of propaganda from Fox’s news programs.

  • Dave Richards

    lobodons said:
    GOP paid candidates on Fox: 3 and counting (Palin, Huckabee and Kasich)Dem paid candidates on Fox: 0GOP paid candidates on MSNBC: 0 (maybe Joe, but not yet)DEM paid Candidates on MSNBC: 0

    None of those are candidates or they wouldn’t be getting paid by Fox.

  • Pablo

    Biscuit said:
    How come you almost NEVER hear of you right-wing panty-wastes signing up to serve your country? You run like the spinless cowards who fathered you. LOL Must be the stinking, right-wing gene pool. Ugh.

    Right. The Marine Corps is chock full of progressive liberals. Idiot.

  • Pablo

    lobodons said:
    GOP paid candidates on Fox: 3 and counting (Palin, Huckabee and Kasich)

    Wait, the Governor of Ohio is on the Fox News payroll? Along with 2 other people who are not working in the public sector or seeking public sector jobs? That Ailes is something else…

  • Pablo

    Biscuit said:
    Joke would be on one those dead losers, huh, conservative?

    My, but aren’t you an intellectual powerhouse!

  • ejoycej

    It’s a Murdock organization, what else can you expect? Does that guy and his crew irritate anyone else but me, as he takes over the communications outlets around the globe? I heard a story about him years ago, from a drunken Australian in a bar in Beverly Hills, having to do with how Murdock acquired his wealth. It’s scary, but not surprising, given what an amoral s.o.b. he is.

  • ejoycej

    P.S. If my body ever turns up dead in some kind of “accident”, don’t you believe it!

  • Arkansas Steve

    What amazes (scares) me the most is how truly stupid & ignorant Howard Dean thinks the students at Carnegie Mellon University really are!!

  • Dave Richards

    jdubbleu said:
    biscuit must be john t is panty waste like clitty litter?

    No one is as stupid as johnt.

  • Garth

    Arkansas Steve said:
    What amazes (scares) me the most is how truly stupid & ignorant Howard Dean thinks the students at Carnegie Mellon University really are!!

    You should be scared – most, if not all already knew what Dean told them. This isn’t news except to perhaps a few like yourself.

  • MrTPar_taY
  • http://cbcf.groupsite.com Miss Capri

    Stupidity once again shows itself in the form of Dean. There he goes, like any good little lefty yesman, playing the damn race card. Sure, Fox is guilty of spreading lies, the dumb death panels thing. Yes, that’s a Palin thing. But what Dean forgets is that bias is bias, and NBC is just as guilty of dirty little lies as Fox is. The difference is they have the likes of Rachel Maddow, and their biased lies are coming from the leftwing propaganda machine, not the far-right. As for angry people, you’ve never seen angry until you’ve seen liberals railing against anyone who is even moderately republican. It’s interesting how this death panels thing is ancient history as far as gaffs go, but the likes of Dean just keep harping on it, trying to make out as if it’s still believed today by any republican with sense. Yet when Rachel Maddow slipped up and fell for a fake Sarah Palin slamming story, more than once, the left sure does their best to sweep that and any other blunders they make under the rug and try to get everyone else to forget their own hoaxes as quickly as possible.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Adkins/1585417987 Bill Adkins

    The Faux/Fixed News Apologists live on the comments section of Mediaite.

  • joe7

    hmm I don’t see the trademark for General Electric anywhere. Dean is just another partisan hack on one side of a spectrum that only has two. He seems only fine when the bias agrees with his side and gives voice to him. That is the difference. It just looks silly when he a partisan politician complains about one side being represented more and finds it okay when its spewing his biased perspective. One’s a political orginization while the other is biased and good because General Electric are the good guys and they agree with him. Got it Howie.

  • Yukon Jack

    ChiliPeppersFan said:
    c’mon pablo…tell me one time when you accepted a story on media matters or something said by ed shultz

    Nothing said on Media Matters or by Ed Shultz deserves any credibility.

  • Yukon Jack

    namseer said:
    With all the right-wingers on Mediaite spouting their usual ignorant crap, I hope the crazies are right about one thing. When President Obama wins re-election, I will be the FIRST in line to sign up as a correctional officer when we heard all the Tea Baggers and demented righties into the FEMA trailer park camps. I will proudly saddle up and tote a shotgun 12 hours a day to keep law and order as right wingers toil away printing text books that teaches 1st grade kids to support gay marriage and 4th graders that abortion is A-OKAY. It’ll be a BLAST! But only if someone tries to escape ;-)

    Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.

    Not only that Obama is not a shoo-in for the Presidency, he is not even a shoo-in for candidacy.

    Any time now an honest Democrat will challenge this pretender in primary for the Presidency.

    BANK ON IT!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Adkins/1585417987 Bill Adkins

    jdubbleu said:
    and you live in a trailer park

    And you live in a shithole

  • Pablo

    Bill Adkins said:
    The Faux/Fixed News Apologists live on the comments section of Mediaite.

    And Murdoch lives on in your head, rent-free.

  • Garth

    Pablo said:
    And Murdoch lives on in your head, rent-free.

    Got any more of those snappy cliches?

  • Yukon Jack

    Biscuit said:
    jdubbleu says:
    April 3, 2011 at 12:34 pm jdubbleu(Quote)
    7 5
    why are you libs so proud of being pussies? seriously…

    /facepalm

    Well, if I was a pussie, I’d be the neighborhood whore, in your case, your mother. I mean, really, if conservative women knew how to raise children, the crime rate wouldn’t be as high as it is. Just saying…..oh….again, how come you WEAK, ignorant little conservative boys NEVER have the GUTS to serve your country?

    Well, weakling? That’s it, conservative boy, you will never be any better than the FAILURE you were born to be. Later, coward. :)

    Would you care to present statistics about illegitimate bastards born to single black teenagers? Would you care to present credible statistics that the children of conservative parents are more susceptible to crime than the children of liberal parents? Provided that a child born to a liberal mother even has a father? Destined to be career criminals, with no education? Would you care to present statistics that prove that the crime rate would be lower, if all children were born to single, liberal, free-loading, single welfare mothers? Would you care to compare the failure of kids of conservative parents compared to kids of liberal parents? Would you care to present an argument for the merit of derogatory reference to one’s mother? Would you care to present the percentages of those who serve by skin color? Would you name just one child of a Democratic politician who served/serves in the Armed Forces?

    Let me be a step ahead of you: I am a racist for asking the questions above, just as I am a racist for disagreeing with Obama’s policies.

  • Yukon Jack

    It is now 17:00 hours. EST. Nine hours since the moderators decided that my posts should be “awaiting moderation”.

    Seems that it is no longer the question whether the moderators are still in church/mosque or if they are lazy.
    Only the third option is valid. See what that option is on the right thread, if you can’t figure it out for yourself.

  • eingriff

    Would that it were so.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Adkins/1585417987 Bill Adkins

    jdubbleu said:
    and you eat out of your boyfriends shithole

    I would never visit your home and I do not accept your invitation to dinner.

  • mlb

    Dean is a tool. literally.

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview
  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    ChiliPeppersFan said:
    of course it will have no effect because everybody knows it’s true. hell, even the simpson’s got their number.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu-oFikerW8&feature=related

    Family Guy and a visit to FOX Newsroom http://tinyurl.com/69dz4ly

  • slickerwick

    They pulled Dean out of mothballs. They need more shills. Campaign season has begun.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    slickerwick said:
    f Fox News is so awful, why did Obama agree to his most recent interview with O’Reilly? Why do so many of his flacks appear on that network?

    This has been explained 1,000 times. For years now the POTUS does an interview with the network that hosts the Super Bowl. FOX hosted this year. Obama did the interview and did quite well considering O’Reilly barely let him get a word in.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    Pablo said:
    That’s the problem with America, huh? Not enough free shit bought with other people’s money.

    I hear GE and EXXON/Mobil needs all the help we can give them. Guess they’re just too lazy to work like all those minorities.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    Biscuit said:
    Why not get off your lazy, conservative asses, OFF the dole that the rich, liberal states have to hand out to you parasites, and do something with your time?

    This is a fact. We blue states are sick and tired of supporting the red states. You need to start taking care of yourselves.

  • WildMan

    Well Howie, what do you call PMSnbc? nbc? Abc? cBS?

    Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!

    Get your meds adjusted, Howie!

  • captaingrumpy

    No Comment, I don’t know who Dean was.

  • illusive man

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    This is a fact. We blue states are sick and tired of supporting the red states. You need to start taking care of yourselves.

    But I thought “liberalism” was all about spreading the wealth?
    BTW I need 20$ for some spiced rum,So chop chop piggy bank.

  • Yukon Jack

    Biscuit said:
    Fox eventually will be the only news left and no coward like Dean who ran when his brother was killed back in the 70’s or a liberal Muslim Brotherhood loving President will be able to force us to watch the fringe media that no longer reports news as they take our country away.

    Please Check out song called teapartiers I can’t hear you at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJfboOindCo

    Here’s a verse

    When he lost his commie czar it must have knocked off his sox
    theirs actually someone reporting news but its only Fox
    he still has another czar Chavez loving lloyd
    he’s busy trying to make free speech null and void

    Corpsemen in the 57 states as your dying
    Jeff Jones will be laughing so much he’ll be crying
    now you know why they had you read that death book
    don’t you wish you had money like Rangle the crook
    you invested 50 years to safe guard your health care
    Nancy gives it to illegals and thinks that its fare

    You can’t even SPELL properly, you ignorant conservative (so what else is new?). You jealous, uneducated dumbos sure LOVE being played for FOOLS, huh?

    How come you almost NEVER hear of you right-wing panty-wastes signing up to serve your country? You run like the spinless cowards who fathered you. LOL Must be the stinking, right-wing gene pool. Ugh.

    Ah, come on, conservative, we all know how you boys just love beating up pregnant women or stomping women in the head. Why not get off your lazy, conservative asses, OFF the dole that the rich, liberal states have to hand out to you parasites, and do something with your time? Do something besides raising those rotten, lazy, bigotted brats you call children? LOL

    Really learn how to spell, lazy boy….or do something worthwhile with your sad, pathetic life. Please….liberals are tired of cleaning up after you fools. :)

    Sarah Palin’s son served in the armed forces. Your turn to name a liberal.

  • Yukon Jack

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    This is a fact. We blue states are sick and tired of supporting the red states. You need to start taking care of yourselves.

    Are you talking about suburban or inner city free-loaders?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-Glackin/100000892011713 Joseph Glackin

    illusive man said:
    But I thought “liberalism” was all about spreading the wealth?
    BTW I need 20$ for some spiced rum,So chop chop piggy bank.

    “Liberalism” is about taking care of those who can’t care for themselves. You definitely qualify. Report to the nearest mental health clinic and the nice men in the white coats will fit you for your “I love me” jacket and take you to your own padded cell…err….room. Have a nice, long rest.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    illusive man said:
    But I thought “liberalism” was all about spreading the wealth?
    BTW I need 20$ for some spiced rum,So chop chop piggy bank.

    You bore me. Get lost.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    Yukon Jack said:
    Are you talking about suburban or inner city free-loaders?

    I’m talking whole state free-loaders. If the red states can’t take care of their own why should the blue states have to do it. Free loaders!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    Yukon Jack said:
    Sarah Palin’s son served in the armed forces. Your turn to name a liberal.

    Our VP’s son for one.

  • Alz

    Joseph Glackin said:
    “Liberalism” is about taking care of those who can’t care for themselves. You definitely qualify. Report to the nearest mental health clinic and the nice men in the white coats will fit you for your “I love me” jacket and take you to your own padded cell…err….room. Have a nice, long rest.

    Liberalism takes people who could otherwise succeed and makes sure that they become dependent on elite liberals.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    Alz said:
    Liberalism takes people who could otherwise succeed and makes sure that they become dependent on elite liberals.

    What a total crock. Why not educate yourself. Us blue states are tired of carrying the weight for the red states because they are incapable of taking care of themselves.

    http://tinyurl.com/3f6bthh

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    And take a good look at the poverty map. You red states sure like to free-load on the rest of us. Start carrying your weight and maybe we’ll stop laughing at you when you pull the “liberals are after our money” bs. We’ve been supporting you FOREVAH! http://tinyurl.com/3zktzax

  • glenn113

    Howard, tell us something we don’t know. http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/networks/foxnews/foxnews.html
    There are charts on that link that doen’t lie.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    And one more thing while I’m on a roll. You conservatives are always talking about how charity should care for the poor. Ho9w it’s up to the churches and other charitable organizations. Shouldn’t fall on the tax payers.

    Well then do it! What the hell is wrong with your churches your charities that you have so many in poverty? So many in poverty that we have to support with our blue state tax dollars. You’re pathetic!

  • glenn113

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    And take a good look at the poverty map. You red states sure like to free-load on the rest of us. Start carrying your weight and maybe we’ll stop laughing at you when you pull the “liberals are after our money” bs. We’ve been supporting you FOREVAH! http://tinyurl.com/3zktzax

    How dare you provide actual facts to the conservatives! You know you are going to be called names.

  • StewartIII

    NewsBusters: Howard Dean Tells College Students FOX News Lies – Then Lies to Them Four Times
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/04/03/howard-dean-tells-college-students-fox-news-lies-then-lies-them-numer

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    And how about the income inequality map! But it’s the liberals who are keeping those lazy good for nothing poor people down? Jeebus you must really be stupid if you think anyone with half a brain would fall for that.

    INCOME INEQUALITY MAP
    http://tinyurl.com/3hgmymh

  • Resistance Is Futile

    Only an idiot would question the obvious truth of John Dean’s remarks regarding Fox News. Fox markets distortions of fact and a right wing version of communist style propaganda to poorly informed, unsophisticated people. They make money off of gullible people stoking fear and hate. They create false enemies as straw men and use them to reap in large sums of monies. It is amazing how many ignorant fools live in our midst.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    glenn113 said:
    How dare you provide actual facts to the conservatives! You know you are going to be called names.

    They won’t educate themselves by opening the links either.

  • BOMBSHELL

    slickerwick said:
    Biscuit seems not only hate-filled but moronic, a real winning combination. I bet fellow libs are real proud of him/her/it.

    He works part-time at the same restaurant as my ol’ man–the Goober-Brained Reject. He hasn’t been on Mediaite much lately because he chopped one of his fingers off while making a salad. It didn’t go to waste though, my ol’ man served it up to a customer and told him “of course real fingers are used in our finger sandwiches.”

  • BOMBSHELL

    Goober-Brained Reject said:
    I have been saying this for months!

    And months, and months, and months, and months, and months! Look here dearie, I know you’re my husband and I know our son BOMBSHELL JR. loves you, but you really do need to get some new–AND FACTUAL–material. NO ONE believes you dearie. Now come up out of the basement and go to the store and get us a can of Vienna sausages so I can fix your supper.

  • Heywood Jablowme

    Howard Dean: Living proof that being born dead is not an impediment to gain traction and advance in the modern Democrat Party.

  • Heywood Jablowme

    “Only an idiot would question the obvious truth of John Dean’s remarks regarding Fox News. ”

    See? Liberals are so stupid they confuse HOWARD Dean with JOHN Dean.

    Liberals and facts – they never are in the same zip code, much less the same room.

  • Pablo

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    I hear GE and EXXON/Mobil needs all the help we can give them. Guess they’re just too lazy to work like all those minorities.

    No, they don’t need our help at all. They’re big companies, all grown up. They can and should fend for themselves. GE is gonna be tough, though, what with Jeff Immelt all burrowed in at the White House.

  • OxyCon

    Howard Dean Tells College Students Fox News Lies – Then Lies to Them Four Times

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/04/03/howard-dean-tells-college-students-fox-news-lies-then-lies-them-numer#ixzz1IWl3NRiU

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    Pablo said:
    No, they don’t need our help at all. They’re big companies, all grown up. They can and should fend for themselves.

    But we do take care of them. We give them billions of dollars every year in spite of their record profits. They’re subsidized by our tax dollars. Just like we do the red states.

  • Michael_T

    At the risk of repeating myself (i.e., repeating a previous comment) I salute Mediaite’s Matt Schneider for reporting a story about media bias (and propaganda) in an unbiased manor. It’s not always easy doing that on a website that often caters to it’s majority following – namely, those right of center,

  • Michael_T

    should be manner – not manor

  • BushClintonCrimeFamily

    Howard Dean is correct.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    OxyCon said:
    Howard Dean Tells College Students Fox News Lies – Then Lies to Them Four Times

    figures.

  • Lustreking

    This just in, sky blue, water wet, pizza good.

  • lane

    Fox News’s dominance is his problem, not the ideology. The dems need to realize the dominance reflects the public, it doesn’t drive it….

  • CAconservative

    Howard Dean’s candidacy lasted for about as long as it takes to say his name. This clown wasn’t as good at hiding his deficiencies as Obimbo.

  • lane

    I feel badly for the mediaite moderators, I can only image what gets ‘deleted’ based on some of the vile stuff that stays…

    Civility always begins with yourself….

  • X-3

    Well-funded LIBERAL LYING MACHINE: NBC–owned by GE who donated heavily to the -0bama regime in exchange for political favors. Does something stink there? FOX tells the truth–they are FAIR & BALANCED–if FOX did not tell the truth, they would be sued…instead of merely being slandered by the idiots on the left.

  • Lustreking

    lane said:
    Fox News’s dominance is his problem, not the ideology. The dems need to realize the dominance reflects the public, it doesn’t drive it….

    NBC Nightly News for the week ending February 5. Nightly averaged more than 11.2 million viewers, the newscast’s best showing since January 2005.

    Soooo.. who’s dominance?

  • VoiceofReason

    Nacho said:
    I think there is a difference between extreme bias and propaganda. FoxNews is a machine that can focus on an issue or a policy and create their own reality out it. MSNBC has a few left wing hosts that are extremely bias and protective of their views.

    Wow….the view from your own rectum is bordering on dangerous.

    Pull your head out and grab yourself a clue.

  • Armageddon T Thunderbird

    Howard Dean hit the nail on the head!!! Fox is fake news and really is nothing more than an opinion pushing channel. No one one at Fox News has any personal or journalistic integrity. Having serious personal moral and integrity deficits are the baseline requirement for a promising career with Fox. The idiots who watch Fox television programming would not know a liberal agenda if it came up to them and introduced itself. Fox = Opinion Pushing Channel.

  • VoiceofReason

    JacksonGibbs said:
    @Nacho Let’s be serious. There is no difference except for the area of the political spectrum which each side inhabits. Come on. MSNBC is a machine that can focus on an issue and create their own reality as well. See: Tea Party is racist. How so? Never said. Just said a lot of the attendees were white. See: Tea Partiers shouting racist insults at Black Democratic Congressmen. Evidence? None. But that went on for a while. See: Palin caused the shooting of Giffords. Evidence? None. But that got a lot of play on MSNBC. Let’s not split imaginary hairs. MSNBC is straight up propaganda. No ands, ifs, or buts about it. The right just doesn’t attack because, besides me, I don’t know who watches MSNBC.

    Not much point in attacking.

    Those 7 people are going to watch no matter what.

    The folks at PMSNBC do have family after all.

  • VoiceofReason

    Clifford E.Elisary said:
    For you Right Wing A**Holes that could not see a real News Network if it bit you in the ASS, when Fox News give JAMES CARVILLE, a three hour show in the Morning like MSNBC gave Joe Scarborough, than maybe we can start talking about BIAS in the News Networks. If you truly believe that Fox is not Bias you are to far gone an no argument will ever convince you, and if no logical argument can convince you that alone makes you a F**KEN IDIOT!!!

    Hey dumbass……..when Joe Scarborough becomes anything remotely resembling a conservative……then return an pop off…..unti then……stow that shit assclown.

    BTW, Fox has 2 liberals with prime time shows……..Shep Smith and Greta. Their Sunday show is run by a lib Chris Wallace. Also folks like Geraldo have non-prime time slots too.

    This doesn’t even begin to speak to Alan Colmes, Bob Bechel, Kristen Powers, Lanny Davis, Ellis HeadUpHisCan, Juan Williams and others who are on EVERY night.

    You also have day hosts and hosts for business shows like Lise Wiehl who are big time libbies too.

    When you can list me conservatives or this volume and frequency of appearence…..then maybe you can float that biased bullshit.

    Until then you simply sound off like a douche nozzle.

  • Lustreking

    VoiceofReason said:
    BTW, Fox has 2 liberals with prime time shows……..Shep Smith and Greta. Their Sunday show is run by a lib Chris Wallace. Also folks like Geraldo have non-prime time slots too.

    What, exactly makes them liberal? And just like in school, show your work please.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    X-3 said:
    Well-funded LIBERAL LYING MACHINE: NBC–owned by GE who donated heavily to the -0bama regime in exchange for political favors. Does something stink there? FOX tells the truth–they are FAIR & BALANCED–if FOX did not tell the truth, they would be sued…instead of merely being slandered by the idiots on the left.

    They were sued. They won the right to lie to their viewers in court.

  • VoiceofReason

    HuskersLoveBo said:
    After Sammon’s latest admission, how any person can state FAUX News has any credibility left simply has their buried where the sun does not shine and the grass does not grow. If you doubt it, please list all the times a main stream media outlet has resorted to “mischievous speculation” and then attempted to justify their actions by claiming that it was not speculation because the story received a great deal of play in the media. Well, the only network where it received a great deal of play was, get this- FAUX News. Sad, simply sad.

    Maybe you missed the admission by Tammy Bruce who as the head of the LA chapter of NOW used to sit around her living room in the morning rumenating over her morning coffee, deciding who she would fu*k with today.

    Then she would release whatever vile bullshit she saw fit to and sat back and watched the MSM run with it.

    How in the world you think that anyone from anywhere OTHER than Fox has room to say shit speaks to your bias and inability to hear outside the echo chamber feeding you EXCATLY what you want to hear far more than anything it could say about Fox.

    Did any of you freaking people even crack a book about rudimentary psychology? You oh soooo much smarter than us?

    Can you not see how telling your fear and loathing about the TEA Party folks and Palin and Bachman and Fox News shows us in VIVID detail what frightens you most?

    You may think us all stupid, but even this dumb redneck knows that.

    And I can hear your knees knocking from here………

  • VoiceofReason

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    morning joe, one moderate and three liberals lol

    The left’s idea of Fair and Balanced.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    Lustreking said:
    VoiceofReason said:
    BTW, Fox has 2 liberals with prime time shows……..Shep Smith and Greta. Their Sunday show is run by a lib Chris Wallace. Also folks like Geraldo have non-prime time slots too.
    What, exactly makes them liberal? And just like in school, show your work please.

    Can’t believe he thinks any of those people are liberal. he obviously has no clue what a liberal is.

  • VoiceofReason

    Lustreking said:
    What, exactly makes them liberal? And just like in school, show your work please.

    If you don’t know it…..not my fault.

    When you get to be my prof you can demand my work. Until then if you need further info, type “www.google.com” in the addy bar up top and go to town.

    Not that I expect you to:

    1. Be interested in an opposing view point.
    2. Except anything up to and including the voice of God Almighty as proof.

    So do as you will…….you would have anyways.

  • CarmanK

    X3 is just plain wrong. If you were really interested in the truth, you might want to check our MEDIA MATTERS web site which keeps track of lies in broadcasting. You will find, contrary to your rants that FOX MURDOGS have frequent errors and untruths played out each day. It depends on the Republican talking points for the day. Do some FACT CHECKING, you are being played for an ignorant, uneducated fool who will swallow anything FOX.

  • VoiceofReason

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    Can’t believe he thinks any of those people are liberal. he obviously has no clue what a liberal is.

    Appeals to authority are signs of a very weak argument.

  • VoiceofReason

    im_lovin_it said:
    Remember when MSNBC gave us Scarborough Country (not such a moderate tone then) and of course, Michael “get AIDS and die” SavageWeiner? MSNBC tried to rip Fox off but they chickened out. Then they muddled around for awhile before Keith took off with his nightly Bush bashing carnival. Now they “lean forward.” At this point Fox and MSNBC should just as well have a pro wrestling showdown on pay per view. And people call this news? This is what people use to get information to shape their understanding of the world? That is to say, those that even attempt to watch the news.

    Wow.

    How elitist of you.

  • Lustreking

    VoiceofReason said:
    If you don’t know it…..not my fault.
    When you get to be my prof you can demand my work. Until then if you need further info, type “www.google.com” in the addy bar up top and go to town.
    Not that I expect you to:
    1. Be interested in an opposing view point.
    2. Except anything up to and including the voice of God Almighty as proof.
    So do as you will…….you would have anyways.

    Ok, well I gave you a perfectly good chance to do even the tiniest bit of work to back up a claim and you punted. If you’re too lazy to prove what you’re saying with even the smallest bit of evidence then you’re admitting that you’re just making stuff up.
    I’m more than happy to have a debate or even an argument about weather or not those people are liberal or not, but you’re just flat out giving up.

  • VoiceofReason

    Clifford E.Elisary said:
    Joe Scarborough is a True Conservative, he didn’t change his views the Fox- Republican Party changed what the Conservative movement was all about. An you Morons never fail, every time a true Conservative disagrees with you, you call them a RHINO,( THAT REPUBLICAN IN NAME ONLY TO YOU IGNORANT TWITS). OK Genius easy question “How many potential Democratic Presidential Candidates work for MSNBC”????? OK Now “How many Republican Potential Candiates work more FOX’??????? Let me tell you A**hole, PALIN, HUCKABEE, BOLTON, AND NOW TRUMP, AND JUST LAID OFF FOR NOW GINGRICH AND THAT CLOWN EX-SENATOR FROM PENN……..Un-Bias, you are to ignorant to be in this conversation, try the Fox Nation site there’s a lot of ignorant fools there for you to talk with, you are way over your head here!!!!

    As to that screech that is posing as a question……….None of those folks you mention have done as Obama has done and announced. Palin very likely will not run. Huckleberry might but hardly qualifies as conservative. Bolton Trump maybes and since Newt looks solid they let him go. Sounds pretty reasonalbe to me.

    As to how many working for PMSNBC……well duh. Unless your side intends to primary a sitting president chances are there will be no other liberal candidates. working for PMSNBC or elsewise. Also most of any who would are either already working……every single “living” Clintonista and other lib hack are already in the Obama admin. and there simply isn’t that many of you any more.

    That’s why you have to lie to our kids. You can’t be honest with them and expect a return on your investment. You only get so much time with them away from their parents and indoctrination in stupidity takes time.

    Oh and as to Joe Scarborough……he wouldn’t be working for PMSNBC if he had a shread of integrity or conservativism left in him.

    He’s right where he should be.

  • VoiceofReason

    Lustreking said:
    Ok, well I gave you a perfectly good chance to do even the tiniest bit of work to back up a claim and you punted. If you’re too lazy to prove what you’re saying with even the smallest bit of evidence then you’re admitting that you’re just making stuff up.I’m more than happy to have a debate or even an argument about weather or not those people are liberal or not, but you’re just flat out giving up.

    What could possibly come from debate?

    They either are or they are not. Anyone who would argue that they are not isn’t interested in the truth as pretty much anyone drawing breath knows each and everyone of them is a lib.

    So what comes of a multipage back and forth where you deny every thing put before you, pick at the source, lament the details or simply pick flyshit out of pepper in an effort to obfuscate or outright lie. If it is so important for you to win an internet “debate”…..have at it.

    Pass.

    It’s raining here.

    Discuss.

  • VoiceofReason

    Lustreking said:
    Ok, well I gave you a perfectly good chance to do even the tiniest bit of work to back up a claim and you punted. If you’re too lazy to prove what you’re saying with even the smallest bit of evidence then you’re admitting that you’re just making stuff up.I’m more than happy to have a debate or even an argument about weather or not those people are liberal or not, but you’re just flat out giving up.

    BTW, does the rain go up your nose with it so far up in the air?

    You “GAVE me a prefectly good chance”…….Wow.

  • VoiceofReason

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    Can’t believe he thinks any of those people are liberal. he obviously has no clue what a liberal is.

    BTW Ellie…….I do know full well what liberal is and means to be. See, I am what is generally refered to by folks in the know as a “classic conservative”.

    Google it as one already knows what category you fall into.

  • VoiceofReason

    ChiliPeppersFan said:
    it’s too bad we didn’t have more people like olbermann speaking out against the war criminal (alleged) instead of fox cheering for the iraq war and calling us who spoke against it ‘unamerican’ and ‘the great unwashed’. ko was pretty harsh with his criticism, but it wasn’t until w gave an interview and was asked what he was giving up for the war. he claimed after a bomb killed a u.n. official he gave up playing golf and when it was found out that he flat out lied about that keith gave a special comment with disgust he had for w.you guys always gives mathews a hard time with tingles when he never even said that word. it was close but he said after obama gave a speech about his story of success would only be possible in america…”I was thrilled by that, and I said so. Physically thrilled. When people talk about this country in that way, I am overwhelmed for this country. And they’re making fun of me, fine, for saying that.”and hell, i don’t blame him cuz that was a great speech. i get that same thrill when i hear a great version of the star spangled banner before a ball game or when bush said “i can hear you, the rest of the world can hear you, and the people who knocked down these buildings down will hear all of us soon.”what is wrong with you guys…have a little pride in how great this country is.

    Will you be calling out for Obama to be tried as a “war criminal” then?

    You couldn’t slip notebook paper in between the policies of Bush versus Obama.

    See here it is in all it’s glory. I don’t think it’s so much the lies….and there are plenty. A handfull in this short post. But it is the rank hypocisy that so defines the left that has conservatives grinding their teeth.

    That anyone in one breath could call Bush a war criminal then tingle over Obama is beyond ideological and borders on outright creepy.

  • Lustreking

    For the sake of clarity I’m going to rephrase your post so it makes sense:

    -What could possibly come from debate?

    Answers, usually. Clarification sometimes. You might even learn something if you’re not careful (Hat tip to Bill Cosby)

    -They either are or they are not. Anyone who would argue that they are not isn’t interested in the truth as pretty much anyone drawing breath knows each and everyone of them is a lib.

    Here’s what you really mean. “I don’t really have any proof so I’m just going to argue that it’s obvious and hope you go away.”

    -So what comes of a multipage back and forth where you deny every thing put before you, pick at the source, lament the details or simply pick flyshit out of pepper in an effort to obfuscate or outright lie.

    See above.

    So, in conclusion, you’ve stated that persons X are liberal. When asked for proof you grow scared and decline to offer any. By these standards I hereby claim that you are a San Francisco Liberal, married to your life partner and you own an exotic plants and yoga shop. You only post here to make conservatives sound as stupid as possible. And “Anyone who would argue that you are not isn’t interested in the truth as pretty much anyone drawing breath knows that you are”.

    Enjoy!

  • VoiceofReason

    ChiliPeppersFan said:
    the problem with that is msnbc doesn’t have directors like bill sammon who is carrying the water for the republicans on issues like health care and disparaging obama or people like john moody who had the same job leading up to the 08 elections pushing that ‘madrasa’ crap.

    Noooooooo Jefferey Imelt is only on the President’s staff. NOOOOOOOO Problemo!!!!! ABC only has an OFFICE IN THE FUC*ING WH!!!!!!! Nothing to see here!!!!! The president himself and his staff has tried to silence Fox…..with not only calls to their lickspittle toadies like you but with silly little typical Dem crap like trying to freeze them out of pressers. How’d that work for ya?

    LMFAO.

  • VoiceofReason

    Lustreking said:
    For the sake of clarity I’m going to rephrase your post so it makes sense: -What could possibly come from debate? Answers, usually. Clarification sometimes. You might even learn something if you’re not careful (Hat tip to Bill Cosby) -They either are or they are not. Anyone who would argue that they are not isn’t interested in the truth as pretty much anyone drawing breath knows each and everyone of them is a lib. Here’s what you really mean. “I don’t really have any proof so I’m just going to argue that it’s obvious and hope you go away.” -So what comes of a multipage back and forth where you deny every thing put before you, pick at the source, lament the details or simply pick flyshit out of pepper in an effort to obfuscate or outright lie. See above. So, in conclusion, you’ve stated that persons X are liberal. When asked for proof you grow scared and decline to offer any. By these standards I hereby claim that you are a San Francisco Liberal, married to your life partner and you own an exotic plants and yoga shop. You only post here to make conservatives sound as stupid as possible. And “Anyone who would argue that you are not isn’t interested in the truth as pretty much anyone drawing breath knows that you are”. Enjoy!

    Oh so stuck up one…..I need no one to fisk my retorts. My comments stand as written.

    I have no interest in having to prove to you water is wet and that is basically what you are attempting.

    I could spend the next bit of MY time showing you ooodles of evidence only to have you either disappear like most of your toady buddies or dismiss it because you are fond of the source.

    This isn’t my first encounter with you libtards.

    But I can choose not to play your games.

    Were you actually that interested in imparting knowledge you would already have something in the way of evidence to refute what I’ve claimed.

    Since you haven’t and showing how famous people tilt politically isn’t exactly like locating Atlantis I would say you’ve a handful of nothing.

    Besides I’m sure something I’ve said to one of your braindead buddies here has your panties in a knot far worse that Geraldo being a lib stooge so pick something else and maybe I’ll feel like taking you down a peg or two.

  • VoiceofReason

    Newsjunky said:
    “What Fox News says is often not true, and they know it’s not true and they say it anyway. It is not a news organization, it is a very expensive, incredibly well-funded, right-wing propaganda organization.” On target. Not a Howard Dean fan, but in this case – TRUTH. Thankfully, only about 3-4 million people are brainwashed by this opinion channel. That means about 307 million of us know it’s mostly trash spewing forth from that wasteland called Fox News.

    Yeah…….when I think lucid……I think Howard Dean……..LMAO

  • VoiceofReason

    Newsjunky said:
    “As for the Tea Party, he alleges they are “going off the deep end” because its members are angry they are all over 55, white and shrinking in size.” This is also true. What is fun for me to see is watching the Teabaggers hold the Republican party hostage! What a bunch of pussies! But the fact that Republican leadership has allowed the Teabaggers to hold them hostage is a certain win for the Democratic party in 2012 – so please keep being pussies! The vast majority of Americans will never, ever embrace the racist, extreme views of the Teabagging movement. #WINNING!! LMAO

    So ELF and PETA and the Sierra Club and SEIU and the AFL-CIO and Trial Lawyers and Wall Street……..holding you dems hostage must be an hoot too huh?

  • VoiceofReason

    Pablo said:
    Start here.

    One would think a bitch slap like that would shut up even the most idiotic of ranters………

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    Fail!

    It boggles the mind……..

  • VoiceofReason

    Pablo said:
    That’s the problem with America, huh? Not enough free shit bought with other people’s money.

    According to libs since about 1860 yup

    That’s the ticket!

  • VoiceofReason

    Biscuit said:
    Fox eventually will be the only news left and no coward like Dean who ran when his brother was killed back in the 70’s or a liberal Muslim Brotherhood loving President will be able to force us to watch the fringe media that no longer reports news as they take our country away. Please Check out song called teapartiers I can’t hear you at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJfboOindCo Here’s a verse When he lost his commie czar it must have knocked off his soxtheirs actually someone reporting news but its only Foxhe still has another czar Chavez loving lloydhe’s busy trying to make free speech null and void Corpsemen in the 57 states as your dyingJeff Jones will be laughing so much he’ll be cryingnow you know why they had you read that death bookdon’t you wish you had money like Rangle the crookyou invested 50 years to safe guard your health careNancy gives it to illegals and thinks that its fare You can’t even SPELL properly, you ignorant conservative (so what else is new?). You jealous, uneducated dumbos sure LOVE being played for FOOLS, huh? How come you almost NEVER hear of you right-wing panty-wastes signing up to serve your country? You run like the spinless cowards who fathered you. LOL Must be the stinking, right-wing gene pool. Ugh. Ah, come on, conservative, we all know how you boys just love beating up pregnant women or stomping women in the head. Why not get off your lazy, conservative asses, OFF the dole that the rich, liberal states have to hand out to you parasites, and do something with your time? Do something besides raising those rotten, lazy, bigotted brats you call children? LOL Really learn how to spell, lazy boy….or do something worthwhile with your sad, pathetic life. Please….liberals are tired of cleaning up after you fools. :)

    Hey spelling Nazi……..I hope they are “spinless”……or they might puke on you being the spineless jellyfish you are.

    Too funny. Can’t make this shit up!!!

  • VoiceofReason

    Pablo said:
    Tell me one time when I’ve refused to watch it.

    I’m wondering when Fat Ed is finally going to deliver that ass kicking he was going to hand out to Fox? Something about pissing too.

    He hasn’t pissed his pants has he?

  • VoiceofReason

    Bill Adkins said:
    The Faux/Fixed News Apologists live on the comments section of Mediaite.

    But you never post here.

  • VoiceofReason

    Bill Adkins said:
    And you live in a shithole

    What an erudite retort.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    VoiceofReason said:
    Lustreking said:
    What, exactly makes them liberal? And just like in school, show your work please.
    If you don’t know it…..not my fault.

    And here’s your illuminating answer. Too funny!

  • VoiceofReason

    GlennBeckReview said:
    Dean: ” It’s when you become a propaganda outlet. What Fox News says is often not true, and they know it’s not true and they say it anyway.” The recording of Bill Sammon on the cruise ship proves this! I have been saying this for months! All of the rationalizers of right-wing propaganda making comments here will rationalize this, but it’s true. All you have to do is read the media watchdogs. The right wing MRC point out the bias they detect in the news, which is absurd for MSNBC because they admit to being “the place for politics;” but the left wing media watchdogs assume the conservative/reactionary bias and point out the false claims (lies, untrue statements). Both sides have bias, but MSNBC gets the facts right and corrects the errors when they make them. Glenn Beck, on the other hand, is on Fox to deceive the sheeple, who watch Fox, and he does an amazing job at making people stupid!

    Ooooo waaaaaahh……pay attention to me!!!!! I told these lies first and dammit I want my fifteen minutes!!!!! I demand my 15 minutes!!!!! I am important dammit!!!!!

    So sad.

  • VoiceofReason

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    And here’s your illuminating answer. Too funny!

    Should I find some of yours Brainiac?

    The garbage just from this thread where you have shown yourself to be a real winner should suffice.

    Let me get on that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    VoiceofReason said:
    Appeals to authority are signs of a very weak argument.

    And what authority might that be? Do you have an answer for what makes Greta, Shep, Chris and Geraldo liberals? As a liberal myself they’re not even close … particularly Wallace. Shep just happens to be more honest than the rest. Maybe that’s why some think he’s liberal. Other than that I haven’t a clue.

  • VoiceofReason

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    And here’s your illuminating answer. Too funny!</blockquote

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    And here’s your illuminating answer. Too funny!

    BTW….where?

    I guess when they taught you to be smarter than the rest of us know-nothings they left out that part about 3rd grade mastery of the quote function huh sugar britches?

  • VoiceofReason

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    And what authority might that be? Do you have an answer for what makes Greta, Shep, Chris and Geraldo liberals? As a liberal myself they’re not even close … particularly Wallace. Shep just happens to be more honest than the rest. Maybe that’s why some think he’s liberal. Other than that I haven’t a clue.

    Look up “appeals to authority”, dumbass.

    It’s the tactic you were attempting to utilize, moron.

  • VoiceofReason

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    FOX lies!

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    WOW Didn’t know that. At least they’re honest about 1 thing.

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    Fail!

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    This has been explained 1,000 times. For years now the POTUS does an interview with the network that hosts the Super Bowl. FOX hosted this year. Obama did the interview and did quite well considering O’Reilly barely let him get a word in.

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    I hear GE and EXXON/Mobil needs all the help we can give them. Guess they’re just too lazy to work like all those minorities.

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    This is a fact. We blue states are sick and tired of supporting the red states. You need to start taking care of yourselves.

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    Family Guy and a visit to FOX Newsroom http://tinyurl.com/69dz4ly

    Woah…..how will we gone on with such an astute appraisal of the human condition calling us out……….

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    VoiceofReason said:
    They either are or they are not. Anyone who would argue that they are not isn’t interested in the truth as pretty much anyone drawing breath knows each and everyone of them is a lib.

    Please back this up with something other than anyone drawing a breath. It’s meaningless. What exactly makes them liberal other than your say so?

  • Lustreking

    VoiceofReason said:
    Oh so stuck up one…..I need no one to fisk my retorts. My comments stand as written.

    Look, I’m sorry I outed you as a gay, San Francisco liberal but, your dumb conservative act was getting kind of.. Obvious. Don’t get me wrong, as far as making conservatives look brainless and weak well, you take the cake but, I just think you need to step your game up. I mean, libtards? That’s soooo last year. Now I know you can do better so why don’t you go have some chi tea, relax, listen to your inner child and you’ll be spouting nonsensical wingnut talking points in no time!

    Good luck!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    VoiceofReason said:
    BTW Ellie…….I do know full well what liberal is and means to be. See, I am what is generally refered to by folks in the know as a “classic conservative”.

    You haven’t a clue what a liberal is. But you sure do look like a classic conservative.

  • VoiceofReason

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    And what authority might that be? Do you have an answer for what makes Greta, Shep, Chris and Geraldo liberals? As a liberal myself they’re not even close … particularly Wallace. Shep just happens to be more honest than the rest. Maybe that’s why some think he’s liberal. Other than that I haven’t a clue.

    Oh and PS…..I don’t have any idea what makes them liberal….I would bet that it possibly has some to do with:

    1. An unfettered sense of entitlement.
    2. Poor up-bringing…..more than likely by burn out hippy parents.
    3. Indoctrination in govt. schools.
    4. Abject stupidity
    5. Abuse by a parent or sibling
    6. An inability to discern fact from fiction.
    7. An unwavering need to fit in or get along.
    8. Little to no talent or useful skill set.
    9. Poor at math or they would have gotten a real education (that ones for me and my engineer buddies)
    10. A willingness to suck ass rather than depend on ability.

    that’s just ten off the top of my head…..I’m sure theres more but I have little time.

  • VoiceofReason

    Lustreking said:
    Look, I’m sorry I outed you as a gay, San Francisco liberal but, your dumb conservative act was getting kind of.. Obvious. Don’t get me wrong, as far as making conservatives look brainless and weak well, you take the cake but, I just think you need to step your game up. I mean, libtards? That’s soooo last year. Now I know you can do better so why don’t you go have some chi tea, relax, listen to your inner child and you’ll be spouting nonsensical wingnut talking points in no time! Good luck!!

    Heerrrr Duuurrrr…..try again.

    Don’t be butt hurt cuz I wouldn’t do your homework for you and you’re too stupid to know that Greta and Shep are big libbies.

    Maybe you and Ellie can get a latte and talk bad about us dumb ole conservatives.

    You are both operating on about the same intellectual paradigm.

  • VoiceofReason

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    Please back this up with something other than anyone drawing a breath. It’s meaningless. What exactly makes them liberal other than your say so?

    THEY say so, dumbass.

  • VoiceofReason

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    You haven’t a clue what a liberal is. But you sure do look like a classic conservative.

    Old school, or paleo-conservatives as some identify, were the first liberals, dumbass.

  • timcajun

    VoiceofReason says:
    Oh and PS…..I don’t have any idea what makes them liberal….I would bet that it possibly has some to do with:

    1. An unfettered sense of entitlement.
    2. Poor up-bringing…..more than likely by burn out hippy parents.
    3. Indoctrination in govt. schools.
    4. Abject stupidity
    5. Abuse by a parent or sibling
    6. An inability to discern fact from fiction.
    7. An unwavering need to fit in or get along.
    8. Little to no talent or useful skill set.
    9. Poor at math or they would have gotten a real education (that ones for me and my engineer buddies)
    10. A willingness to suck ass rather than depend on ability.
    ………………………………………………….
    Keep the hate alive and spin baby spin! (throw in few lies along the way)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    VoiceofReason said:
    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    And here’s your illuminating answer. Too funny!</blockquote
    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    And here’s your illuminating answer. Too funny!
    BTW….where?
    I guess when they taught you to be smarter than the rest of us know-nothings they left out that part about 3rd grade mastery of the quote function huh sugar britches?

    Quote function works just fine for me. What is your problem with it using it properly?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    VoiceofReason said:
    Look up “appeals to authority”, dumbass.

    It’s the tactic you were attempting to utilize, moron.

    See you were able to use the quote function properly this time. How progressive of you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    VoiceofReason said:
    Woah…..how will we gone on with such an astute appraisal of the human condition calling us out……….

    Is this supposed to be a coherent sentence?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    VoiceofReason said:
    Oh and PS…..I don’t have any idea what makes them liberal….I would bet that it possibly has some to do with:

    1. An unfettered sense of entitlement.
    2. Poor up-bringing…..more than likely by burn out hippy parents.
    3. Indoctrination in govt. schools.
    4. Abject stupidity
    5. Abuse by a parent or sibling
    6. An inability to discern fact from fiction.
    7. An unwavering need to fit in or get along.
    8. Little to no talent or useful skill set.
    9. Poor at math or they would have gotten a real education (that ones for me and my engineer buddies)
    10. A willingness to suck ass rather than depend on ability.

    that’s just ten off the top of my head…..I’m sure theres more but I have little time.

    You should have stopped at ” don’t have any idea what makes them liberal” … at least that was honest.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    VoiceofReason said:
    THEY say so, dumbass.

    Ah, well as someone once said “Appeals to authority are signs of a very weak argument.”

  • Lustreking

    VoiceofReason said:
    you’re too stupid to know that Greta and Shep are big libbies.

    Hmmm.. You’ve got the wingnut “run away and hide” part down but the rest, meh.. It’s just like you’re beat down, kind of dead inside. As if acting so ignorant of facts has left you a soulless shell of a real thinking human being with complex thoughts and emotions. Oh wait! That IS the modern conservative! Well played sir, well played!

  • VoiceofReason

    timcajun said:
    VoiceofReason says:Oh and PS…..I don’t have any idea what makes them liberal….I would bet that it possibly has some to do with: 1. An unfettered sense of entitlement.2. Poor up-bringing…..more than likely by burn out hippy parents.3. Indoctrination in govt. schools.4. Abject stupidity5. Abuse by a parent or sibling6. An inability to discern fact from fiction.7. An unwavering need to fit in or get along.8. Little to no talent or useful skill set.9. Poor at math or they would have gotten a real education (that ones for me and my engineer buddies)10. A willingness to suck ass rather than depend on ability.………………………………………………….Keep the hate alive and spin baby spin! (throw in few lies along the way)

    Waaaaaah…….he’s telling the world about us….waaaaaah

    Lies Lies Lies!!!!! Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

  • VoiceofReason

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    See you were able to use the quote function properly this time. How progressive of you.

    Still not able to google up “appeal to authority” yet huh sugar britches?

    That’s ok….guys like um dumb like you too.

    T

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    Is this supposed to be a coherent sentence?

    If you go to http://www.dictionary.com you can find out what “astute” means and this will make sense to you then.

    Sorry to use a word nobody has ever uttered in your presense before.

  • VoiceofReason

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    You should have stopped at ” don’t have any idea what makes them liberal” … at least that was honest.

    Ooooooh a libturd called me dishonest.

    I think I’ll just go out……..and not pay my taxes. Or get a secret transparency award. Or hold military tribunals for 9/11 terrorists. Or not stop rendition. Or the Patriot Act.

    Damn I am dishonest…….

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    VoiceofReason said:
    astute

    Had nothing to do with the word astute … nice deflection tho. You’re quite practiced at it.

  • VoiceofReason

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    Ah, well as someone once said “Appeals to authority are signs of a very weak argument.”

    Wow……when folks look up clueless in the dictionary your picture is right there smiling back at them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    VoiceofReason said:
    Ooooooh a libturd called me dishonest.

    I think I’ll just go out……..and not pay my taxes. Or get a secret transparency award. Or hold military tribunals for 9/11 terrorists. Or not stop rendition. Or the Patriot Act.

    Damn I am dishonest…….

    And quite astute at deflection … yet again.

  • VoiceofReason

    Lustreking said:
    Hmmm.. You’ve got the wingnut “run away and hide” part down but the rest, meh.. It’s just like you’re beat down, kind of dead inside. As if acting so ignorant of facts has left you a soulless shell of a real thinking human being with complex thoughts and emotions. Oh wait! That IS the modern conservative! Well played sir, well played!

    Not hidden…..just marveling at the liberal mind.

    Your squeeze Ellie has ripped the roof off stupid and I am simply in awe of her magnificence.

    She truly is a wonder to behold and your side must be very very proud to number her one of you.

    Two big thumbs up!!!

    Charlie says yer winning!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    VoiceofReason said:
    Wow……when folks look up clueless in the dictionary your picture is right there smiling back at them.

    You’re brilliance is blinding.

  • CAconservative

    E-C-R:

    The Blue-states are tired of supporting the Red-states? I’m not sure about the rest but, California can’t support the illegal aliens, let alone legal citizens, that is, those that are still here. And from what I’m hearing, their bailing out of New York just as fast. Those Blue states are quickly learning that the shoe is now on the other foot. Two more years of Obimbo, and you’ll be able to count the number of Blue states on one hand.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ellen-Carey-Rowe/683757018 Ellen Carey Rowe

    CAconservative said:
    E-C-R:

    The Blue-states are tired of supporting the Red-states? I’m not sure about the rest but, California can’t support the illegal aliens, let alone legal citizens, that is, those that are still here. And from what I’m hearing, their bailing out of New York just as fast. Those Blue states are quickly learning that the shoe is now on the other foot. Two more years of Obimbo, and you’ll be able to count the number of Blue states on one hand.

    Look at the links I’ve provided. The facts don’t lie.

  • Alz

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    What a total crock. Why not educate yourself. Us blue states are tired of carrying the weight for the red states because they are incapable of taking care of themselves.

    http://tinyurl.com/3f6bthh

    You are NOT on a roll. Well, maybe downhill.

    Why don’t you do some research on WHY more money is spent in Red states? You liberals are so darned ignorant.

    See http://www.taxfoundation.org/commentary/show/75.html

    December 15, 2004

    Blue States: Ready for a Less Progressive Tax Code?

    by William Ahern

    When you see bitter headlines like “Red State Welfare Queens,” and “If At First You Don’t Secede,” you know that angry urban, blue-state commentators have a new whipping boy — federal taxing and spending.

    This anger may be the best hope for fundamental tax reform, which is being pushed by red-state Republicans but would mostly benefit people in the brightest blue urban centers.

    The “red welfare state” accusation is based on the Tax Foundation’s annual comparison of federal taxes to spending in each state, which answers the question, “Does my state get as much back in federal spending as it sends to Washington in taxes?”

    The 50 answers to that question track red and blue almost perfectly: New Mexico (newly red) leads a gang of red states in the beneficiary column, getting almost $2 in spending for each $1 in taxes. New Jersey finishes dead last, edging out other blue states by receiving only 57 cents in spending per dollar of taxes. This comparison has long been a staple of the business pages. Now it has become a regular feature in the columns of liberal writers, but they rarely point out what could change it, aside from secession.

    Why does this state-by-state disparity exist?

    Let’s sweep away the silliest misinterpretation first – that during their brief majority, Republicans have prevented blue-state congressmen from bringing home their share of federal spending.

    The scraps of pork that clutter the federal budget each year, infuriating as they are, are not large on the massive scale of total federal spending. A Nevada congressman will undoubtedly brag about that $25,000 mariachi program that Congress just funded in one of his local schools, but it will not change Nevada’s ratio of spending to taxes. Even a military base, usually considered the biggest, juiciest pork chop that a state can hope for, doesn’t change the spending-to-tax ratio more than a penny in a medium-sized state.

    Spending does lean red, but the reason is demographic, not political. Most federal money is spent on retirees, especially Social Security and Medicare. And of course the elderly have been moving south and west for years. Every large blue state saw its elderly population depleted during the late 1990s. As might be expected, red Florida and Arizona took in many of the elderly, but they weren’t alone. Almost every Mountain and Southern state expanded its elderly population.

    Despite the red dominance of retirement destinations, the spending tilt toward red states isn’t extreme. The ten states where Uncle Sam spent the least money per capita in 2003 include three solid reds — Utah, Georgia and Indiana; two solid blues – New Jersey and Illinois; and five battleground states — one barely red, Nevada and four barely blue, New Hampshire, Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin.

    Which brings us to the real culprit: high blue-state income taxes.
    States with the highest incomes per capita — and they’re all solid blue — pay much higher federal taxes per capita. An income of $132,000 in San Francisco buys the same standard of living as $71,000 in Phoenix, but when it’s time to fill out the 1040, the San Francisco family pays 17.3 percent of its income in federal income taxes. That’s $22,812, almost triple the national median. Meanwhile, the Phoenix family pays $7,576, about $400 less than the median. A similar comparison could be drawn of Boston and Atlanta, not to mention New York and almost anywhere.

    The income difference is illusory because it does not result in a higher standard of living, but the tax burden on that illusory income is real.
    By forcing taxpayers who live in high-cost, high-salary areas up into higher tax brackets, the progressive income tax code not only redistributes income from the prosperous to the poor, but from middle-income blue to middle-income red. Part of this redistribution is caused by the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT), once conceived by Democrats to catch rich tax avoiders, now rapidly eating away at the upper-middle class in blue states. Is this the progressivity that Democrats have been championing for years?

    Now President Bush is talking “fundamental reform” and elimination of the AMT. Advocates of the flat tax and national sales tax are emboldened. How would these radically different tax systems affect the red-blue balance?

    The red states would be singing the blues. A flat tax wouldn’t quite bring a dollar-for-dollar ratio to New York, New Jersey or Connecticut, but all of the blue “donor states” would be getting a much better deal from Uncle Sam.

    Will Democrats obey their instinct to fight President Bush, or will they see a flatter, less progressive tax structure as a way to make the red states pay their fair share? Perhaps red-state enthusiasm will wane when the writing is on the wall, but right now it appears they’ll follow President Bush wherever he leads them.

  • Alz

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    Look at the links I’ve provided. The facts don’t lie.

    Either you are ignorant or you lied. Either way, you’ve been wrong.

  • X-3

    CarmanK said:
    If you were really interested in the truth, you might want to check our MEDIA MATTERS web site which keeps track of lies in broadcasting.

    Ellen Carey Rowe said:
    They were sued. They won the right to lie to their viewers in court.

    YOU LIE! You’re just like all liberals–when things don’t go your way, you make up some lie about it and try to convince yourself you’ve told the truth. Oh, and didn’t we see a piece here the other day where Mediadoesn’tmatters had to apologize to Glenn Beck when they were caught lying about him? Yes, yes, I believe we did.

  • timcajun

    You’re a good man, Davo. Keep it up – far and wide!
    YOU LIE! You’re just like all liberals–when things don’t go your way, you make up some lie about it and try to convince yourself you’ve told the truth. Oh, and didn’t we see a piece here the other day where Mediadoesn’tmatters had to apologize to Glenn Beck when they were caught lying about him? Yes, yes, I believe we did.
    ……………………………………………………….
    Mmatters did make a mistake, one mistake to every 50 of Beck lies is pretty good!

  • BOMBSHELL

    timcajun said:
    Mmatters did make a mistake, one mistake to every 50 of Beck lies is pretty good!

    That’s exactly what my daddy–Goober-Brained Reject–always says. Trouble is, he hasn’t proven that Glenn Beck has EVER lied. Maybe you can help him out by providing some specific examples.

    Would you please buy me a kitten Mr. timcajun?

  • timcajun

    BOMBSHELL says:

    Boomshell, be a big boy and see if the orderly will let you go to mmatters, move on or fact check to look up the dozens of lies your cult leader has been caught on! Don’t waste any time with “it’s not a tea site”, use facts from time to time! If you don’t really want to see the lies don’t bring it up, if no fact ever counts don’t bring it up, if you only want excuses and spin don’t bring it up! We’ve got your kitten ready as soon as you get a medical clearance to touch animals again, until then do as they say and stay away from anything sharp!

  • Anonymous

    There are some interesting points in time in this article but I don’t know if I see all of them center to heart. There is some Novo jetta  validity but I will take hold opinion until I look into it further. Good article, thanks and we want more! 

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