Michele Bachmann Signs Conservative Pro-Marriage Pledge (That Also Bans Porn?)

by Colby Hall | 8:45 am, July 8th, 2011

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The Family Leader, an Iowa-based political group with the stated mission to promote Christian conservative social values, has been asking Republican candidates to sign a pledge titled “The Marriage Vow – A Declaration of Dependence upon Marriage and Family.” Rep. Michele Bachmann recently signed the pledge, and now some are in uproar that she may also have agreed to ban pornography.

The actual pledge that she signed isn’t terribly surprising for a social conservative like Bachmann; it contains many platitudes like “marriage is between man and a woman.” Oh, and there are parts to the pledge that calls homosexuality a “choice,” which is then likened to bigamy, adultery and polyandry.

Writing for the Des Moines Register, William Petroski reports:

Presidential candidates who sign the pledge must agree to personal fidelity to his or her spouse, the appointment of “faithful constitutionalists” as judges, opposition to any redefinition of marriage, and prompt reform of uneconomic and anti-marriage aspects of welfare policy, tax policy and divorce law.

The Marriage Vow also outlines support for the legal advocacy for the federal Defense of Marriage Act, humane efforts to protect women and children, rejection of Sharia Islam, safeguards for all married and unmarried U.S. military service members, and commitment to downsizing government and the burden upon American families.

In addition, candidates are asked to recognize that “robust childrearing and reproduction is beneficial to U.S. demographic, economic, strategic and actuarial health and security.”

Alice Stewart, a Bachmann aide, said the congresswoman had no qualms about signing the Family Leader’s pledge. “She has been married for over 30 years and has a strong marriage and faith.”

ThinkProgress has noted that, in their esteem at least, the pledge also include a stipulation that bans pornography:

PORNOGRAPHY SHOULD BE BANNED: Vow 9 stipulates that the candidate must “support human protection of women and the innocent fruit of conjugal intimacy” and protect them from “seduction into promiscuity and all forms of pornography…and other types of coercion or stolen innocence.”

But the actual vow signed by Bachmann doesn’t explicitly call for a ban on pornography, per se. Read the vow portion below (click here for the .pdf file)

The Candidate Vow:
Therefore, in any elected or appointed capacity by which I may have the honor of serving our fellow citizens in these United States, I the undersigned do hereby solemnly vow* to honor and to cherish, to defend and to uphold, the Institution of Marriage as only between one man and one woman. I vow* to do so through my:
–Personal fidelity to my spouse.
–Respect for the marital bonds of others.
–Official fidelity to the U.S. Constitution, supporting the elevation of none but faithful constitutionalists as judges or justices.
–Vigorous opposition to any redefinition of the Institution of Marriage – faithful monogamy between one man and one woman – through statutory-, bureaucratic-, or court-imposed recognition of intimate unions which are bigamous, polygamous, polyandrous, same-sex, etc.
–Recognition of the overwhelming statistical evidence that married people enjoy better health, better sex, longer lives, greater financial stability, and that children raised by a mother and a father together experience better learning, less addiction, less legal trouble, and less extramarital pregnancy.
–Support for prompt reform of uneconomic, anti-marriage aspects of welfare policy, tax policy, and marital/divorce law, and extended “second chance” or “cooling-off” periods for those seeking a “quickie divorce.”
–Earnest, bona fide legal advocacy for the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) at the federal and state levels.
–Steadfast embrace of a federal Marriage Amendment to the U.S. Constitution which protects the definition of marriage as
between one man and one woman in all of the United States.
–Humane protection of women and the innocent fruit of conjugal intimacy – our next generation of American children –
from human trafficking, sexual slavery, seduction into promiscuity, and all forms of pornography and prostitution,
infanticide, abortion and other types of coercion or stolen innocence.
–Support for the enactment of safeguards for all married and unmarried U.S. Military and National Guard personnel,
especially our combat troops, from inappropriate same-gender or opposite-gender sexual harassment, adultery or intrusively intimate commingling among attracteds (restrooms, showers, barracks, tents, etc.); plus prompt termination of military policymakers who would expose American wives and daughters to rape or sexual harassment, torture, enslavement or sexual leveraging by the enemy in forward combat roles.
–Rejection of Sharia Islam and all other anti-woman, anti-human rights forms of totalitarian control.1
–Recognition that robust childbearing and reproduction is beneficial to U.S. demographic, economic, strategic and actuarial
health and security.
–Commitment to downsizing government and the enormous burden upon American families of the USA‟s $14.3 trillion
public debt, its $77 trillion in unfunded liabilities, its $1.5 trillion federal deficit, and its $3.5 trillion federal budget.
–Fierce defense of the First Amendment‟s rights of Religious Liberty and Freedom of Speech22, especially against the
intolerance of any who would undermine law-abiding American citizens and institutions of faith and conscience for their adherence to, and defense of, faithful heterosexual monogamy.

There is plenty in this vow with which one can take issue, but to simply distill it down to Bachmann pledging to outlaw porn (as some have done) seems to be missing a much larger point. Still, there is a lot to digest in this pledge… which will likely be accomplished below by the Mediaite commenter community, with their trademark tolerance and broadness of sensibility.

Michele Bachmann, Michelle Bachmann, Pornography

http://www.facebook.com/people/Lars-Svensen/100001028197161 Lars Svensen

Michele Bachmann is a beautiful woman, a powerful populist orator, a prominent, prestigious power-player, and, thus far, the best Republican candidate running for the nomination.
Just4thefax

Fact: Definite frontrunner over mormon Romney!
Paul G

WOW!! And to think she’s also against gay marriage…AND Sharia Law!!! Next thing I know, she’ll be against killing unborn babies!!! what a *bitch…..YOU GO GIRL!!!!
Just4thefax

Fact: How canl efties survive without Porn?
BatBoy

Colby writes: “Still, there is a lot to digest in this pledge, which will likely be accomplished by the Mediaite commenter community with their trademark tolerance and broadness of sensibility below.”

Colby…you need a new job! Time to move along to something that is more compatable with your mindset at this time in your life.
ProudCanadian

I don’t really think anyone but Bachmann would sign this silly document. Seems like a pretty hateful document. This loon is the type who’d open “re-education” camps for unrepentant gays, and then start quietly digging the mass graves. Thankfully, she won’t even make it past the primary, because even the GOP would never seriously try to put her up against any animal, vegetable or mineral, she’s just a novelty act.
TfT

Uh oh, it includes “Religious Liberty” The lefties will go berserk over that one also.

And to think, the unemployment rate isup to 9.2%, fast and furious is a real serious story…..and we get a story about Bachman and a pledge.

Still nothing about Holder obstructing justice in the pursuit of truth and fact on fast and furious.

So funny mediaite.

Do you never get embarrassed at your protection of he himself? never?
Paul G

Paul G said:
Just STFU and change your name….Moron

But again…say ‘hey’ to your ‘queen’
winning

Colby, a “pledge” can’t ban porn. Now, either you know this and are being intentionally misleading, or you don’t know this, which means you’re dumb. I think it’s the former, but in either case, you’re unfit to write.
Paul G

winning said:
Colby, a “pledge” can’t ban porn. Now, either you know this and are being intentionally misleading, or you don’t know this, which means you’re dumb. I think it’s the former, but in either case, you’re unfit to write.

a penny is a penny….
Hugo Daun

Lars Svensen said:
Michele Bachmann… the best Republican candidate running for the nomination.

They’ve set the bar REALLY fuggin’ low!
ProudCanadian

Paul G said:
Just STFU and change your name….Moron

Paul G said:
But again…say ‘hey’ to your ‘queen’

First, why would I change my name name? I may live part time in the US because your economy is so pathetic that I can practically live here for free, since our dollar is eclipsing yours in value, and my house was practically given to me because of the awful housing market, but I’d rather be Canadian any day of the week. Also, your queen comment is really lame, but I understand that you’re most likely in a state of depression about your obvious lack of education, so I’ll just let it slide.
Paul G

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Definite frontrunner over mormon Romney!

Seriously Just….I like her. And if Palin doesn’t run, I’ll support her 100%…But between me and you and the fence post….Do you think she can/will win?
Azarkhan

“now some are in uproar that she may also have agreed to ban pornography.”

We need to keep pornography. It is obviously a life saver for left wing men who have to sleep with frigid feminazis.
Paul G

ProudCanadian said:
First, why would I change my name name? I may live part time in the US because your economy is so pathetic that I can practically live here for free, since our dollar is eclipsing yours in value, and my house was practically given to me because of the awful housing market, but I’d rather be Canadian any day of the week. Also, your queen comment is really lame, but I understand that you’re most likely in a state of depression about your obvious lack of education, so I’ll just let it slide.

Why would you “change your name”? …cuz that’s what you Morons do…Secondly, Your dollar is about the same rate as ours. I like Canadians in the long run….But Just as I hate Moron libturd Americans…It’s my right to hate libturd Canadians like you.
TangledThorns

You have folk from each side trying to ban porn. Lefty feminists will say it degrades woman too.
ProudCanadian

Paul G said:
Why would you “change your name”? …cuz that’s what you Morons do…Secondly, Your dollar is about the same rate as ours. I like Canadians in the long run….But Just as I hate Moron libturd Americans…It’s my right to hate libturd Canadians like you.

Well, I’m still posting under the same name I always do, no need to change it. Also, I’m not a liberal, nor do I lean towards any one political affiliation. I go with the issues, and lately, the republican party just seems to totally have their head up their own butts, but there are areas I find myself agreeing with them on. I’m sure one area would be what an embarrassment you are as an American, since you’re probably having a hard time typing with all the droll on your keyboard.
Paul G

TangledThorns said:
You have folk from each side trying to ban porn. Lefty feminists will say it degrades woman too.

Yea…Just like the NY NOW supported Wiener…No one is gonna ‘ban’ porn…but it’s the hypocritical ‘left’ that can’t ‘decide’ what side they’re on.
Paul G

ProudCanadian said:
Well, I’m still posting under the same name I always do, no need to change it. Also, I’m not a liberal, nor do I lean towards any one political affiliation. I go with the issues, and lately, the republican party just seems to totally have their head up their own butts, but there are areas I find myself agreeing with them on. I’m sure one area would be what an embarrassment you are as an American, since you’re probably having a hard time typing with all the droll on your keyboard.

Moron.
Jackie_Treehorn

You libertarians out there must be furious with whats become of your “Tea Party”….
Paul G

Azarkhan said:
“now some are in uproar that she may also have agreed to ban pornography.”

We need to keep pornography. It is obviously a life saver for left wing men who have to sleep with frigid feminazis.

Can I add…UGLY feminazis?…Prob Alice67…
Paul G

Paul G said:
Can I add…UGLY feminazis?…Prob Alice67…

or Jackie_Treehorn
Azarkhan

Earlier this week, Pawlenty adviser Vin Weber remarked that Michele Bachmann would be hard to beat in Iowa in part because of her “sex appeal,” a comment for which Weber apologized almost immediately.

Bachmann’s response: “Well, listen, I’m 55 years old. I’ve given birth to five kids and I’ve raised 23 foster kids, so that sounds like good news to me.”

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/08/bachmann-on-sex-appeal-comment-sounds-like-good-news-to-me/

Great woman, great sense of humor.
ProudCanadian

Paul G said:
Moron.

Thanks for proving my point. At least you spelled it right!
RWNJcom

Just4thefax said:
Fact: How canl efties survive without Porn?

Fact : Conservatives watch more Porn http://goo.gl/M0NlL
Paul G

ProudCanadian said:
Thanks for proving my point. At least you spelled it right!

Jackie_Treehorn said:
My penis that was inserted into your mother last night says differently…..

Thanks for proving my point…
Just4thefax

RWNJcom said:
Fact : Conservatives watch more Porn http://goo.gl/M0NlL

Fact: What Media Matters info?
Just4thefax

Paul G said:
Seriously Just….I like her. And if Palin doesn’t run, I’ll support her 100%…But between me and you and the fence post….Do you think she can/will win?

Fact: Any GOP candidate schellacs Obama this round no matter what MSM does.
Paul G

Paul G said:
Thanks for proving my point…

I forgot…Morons.
valkyrie101

“Still, there is a lot to digest in this pledge… which will likely be accomplished below by the Mediaite commenter community, with their trademark tolerance and broadness of sensibility.”

Very nice. :-)
RWNJcom

Just4thefax said:
info

“A new nationwide study of anonymised credit-card receipts from a major online adult entertainment provider finds little variation in consumption between states.”

Oh,and it turns out that Red states buy more porn than Blue states.
Paul G

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Any GOP candidate schellacs Obama this round no matter what MSM does.

Yea…What did Levin say?…A beer can could beat OMoron? lol
RWNJcom

Wingnuts will be really pissed off with that.But they can’t say it loud.That would break their phony “Family values” mask.
valkyrie101

Jackie_Treehorn said:
My penis that was inserted into your mother last night says differently…..

I guess you were determined to proove Colby right.
Just4thefax

ProudCanadian said:
First, why would I change my name name? I may live part time in the US because your economy is so pathetic that I can practically live here for free, since our dollar is eclipsing yours in value, and my house was practically given to me because of the awful housing market, but I’d rather be Canadian any day of the week. Also, your queen comment is really lame, but I understand that you’re most likely in a state of depression about your obvious lack of education, so I’ll just let it slide.

Fact: How does it feel when you go to a store and spend US currency and not your own? Canadians are proud pathetic!
Just4thefax

RWNJcom said:
“A new nationwide study of anonymised credit-card receipts from a major online adult entertainment provider finds little variation in consumption between states.” Oh,and it turns out that Red states buy more porn than Blue states.

Fact: Makes sense all blue state liberals moving to red states for jobs then buying porn because they can’t get laid!
valkyrie101

Paul G said:
Yea…What did Levin say?…A beer can could beat OMoron? lol

Which is a good thing because that is about all the republicans have to offer.
skyfet

What happens to the Mormon Hotels that profits in selling porn?
Paul G

valkyrie101 said:
Which is a good thing because that is about all the republicans have to offer.

valk??…I said I was liking you……………..
ProudCanadian

Just4thefax said:
Fact: How does it feel when you go to a store and spend US currency and not your own? Canadians are proud pathetic!

Hey, if I’m in Europe, I spend Euros. If I’m in Mexico, I spend Pesos. When I’m in the states, I’m just visiting…and it’s nice to save money and buy cheap stuff in the US since the economy is so poor…it feels like I’m helping my neighbor out, kinda like charity work, you know?
Paul G

skyfet said:
What happens to the Mormon Hotels that profits in selling porn?

What? Really?…That’s a poor/sad post even for you skyfet….apologize.
Paul G

Paul G said:
What? Really?…That’s a poor/sad post even for you skyfet….apologize.

and I’m not a Mormon.
skyfet

Paul G said:
Seriously Just….I like her. And if Palin doesn’t run, I’ll support her 100%…But between me and you and the fence post….Do you think she can/will win?

Win the Primary and lose the GE in a landslide. Just ask Christine O’Donnell.
notimportant2

ProudCanadian said:
I don’t really think….

I agree completely.
skyfet

Paul G said:
What? Really?…That’s a poor/sad post even for you skyfet….apologize.

You should apologize for being an ignoramus. Why don’t you learn and research the owners of the Marriott hotel.

You should apologize and thank me for informing/teaching ya.
Paul G

ProudCanadian said:
Hey, if I’m in Europe, I spend Euros. If I’m in Mexico, I spend Pesos. When I’m in the states, I’m just visiting…and it’s nice to save money and buy cheap stuff in the US since the economy is so poor…it feels like I’m helping my neighbor out, kinda like charity work, you know?

Really….You are a Moron(albeit a Canadian Moron,,,,,maybe..you could be from Mexico for all we know.)…Seriously, just STFU
Anne 1

ProudCanadian said:
Hey, if I’m in Europe, I spend Euros. If I’m in Mexico, I spend Pesos. When I’m in the states, I’m just visiting…and it’s nice to save money and buy cheap stuff in the US since the economy is so poor…it feels like I’m helping my neighbor out, kinda like charity work, you know?

I would think you would like to help the strong Canadian economy and purchase its ridiculously over priced consumer goods .
I suspect like like most cross border Canadian shoppers you are more cheap than partiotic .
valkyrie101

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Makes sense all blue state liberals moving to red states for jobs then buying porn because they can’t get laid!

Buying porn? Dude, its free on-line everywhere. And hey, if you want some erotic literature, just open the Bible: Song of Solomon 8
O that thou wert as my brother, that sucked the breasts of my mother! when I should find thee without, I would kiss thee; yea, I should not be despised. I would lead thee, and bring thee into my mother’s house, who would instruct me: I would cause thee to drink of spiced wine of the juice of my pomegranate.
Anne 1

^ patriotic^
Paul G

skyfet said:
Win the Primary and lose the GE in a landslide. Just ask Christine O’Donnell.

You gonna move to Canada when your ilks lose big time in 2012?….maybe ProudCanadian will take you in… HA!
Just4thefax

ProudCanadian said:
Hey, if I’m in Europe, I spend Euros. If I’m in Mexico, I spend Pesos. When I’m in the states, I’m just visiting…and it’s nice to save money and buy cheap stuff in the US since the economy is so poor…it feels like I’m helping my neighbor out, kinda like charity work, you know?

Fact: When your in Canada you spend US Dollars that are sent from it’s bad economy! Hahahahahahaha…….
When I go to world Championship hockey games I watch Americans kick canadian a$$ off the Ice Hahahahahaha………………..
ChiliPeppersFan

valkyrie101 said:
“Still, there is a lot to digest in this pledge… which will likely be accomplished below by the Mediaite commenter community, with their trademark tolerance and broadness of sensibility.”

Very nice. :-)

he’s talking about you and your ilk :-)
skyfet

Paul G said:
You gonna move to Canada when your ilks lose big time in 2012?….maybe ProudCanadian will take you in… HA!

Still waiting for your apology.
ProudCanadian

Anne 1 said:
I would think you would like to help the strong Canadian economy and purchase its ridiculously over priced consumer goods .
I suspect like like most cross border Canadian shoppers you are more cheap than partiotic .

Considering Florida is a little far for cross-border shopping, that’s not really the case. What else am I supposed to do, I live there 3-4 months out of the year. I got the house cheap out of a foreclosure a few years back. When I’m home, I obviously buy Canadian. It’s not rocket science. Being in the states is just a cheap vacation for me and the family, that’s all…I’d never move there permanently, that would be depressing.
ChiliPeppersFan

i just hope michelle realizes how lucky she is that her husband chose her given that he believes homosexuality is a choice. because his sexual attraction extends to both male and female, i wonder how many males he didn’t choose before michelle came around.
valkyrie101

ChiliPeppersFan said:
he’s talking about you and your ilk :-)

I certainly hope so.
timzank

ChiliPeppersFan said:
i just hope michelle realizes how lucky she is that her husband chose her given that he believes homosexuality is a choice. because his sexual attraction extends to both male and female, i wonder how many males he didn’t choose before michelle came around.

cite please?
Anne 1

ProudCanadian said:
and it’s nice to save money and buy cheap stuff in the US since the economy is so poor…it feels like I’m helping my neighbor out, kinda like charity work, you know?

Cheaper U.S. consumer goods , relative to Canadian goods have little to do with a temorarily sagging U.S. economy and have every thing to with the scale of the economies . 30 Million consumers vs. 300 Million consumers.
Do they teach economics in Canada ?
Greg

“Recognition that robust childbearing and reproduction is beneficial to U.S. demographic, economic, strategic and actuarial health and security.”

This part of the pledge in confusing to me… population continues to grow in the United States and looks to grow aggressively according to projections…
http://www.npg.org/Assets/Images/usprojgrowth.jpg

The only group lagging behind in family size are the non Hispanic Whites…
http://s3.amazonaws.com/zanran_storage/www.census.gov/ContentPages/6422706.pdf

I wonder why this fundamentalist conservative organization is so concerned with this issue in particular… can’t quite get my head around it…

While we all try to figure it out, a suggested reading… money quote, ““Jesus is smart. He’s gonna get you.”
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525
Paul G

skyfet said:
Still waiting for your apology.

Ummm……Keep waiting…..
Just4thefax

ProudCanadian said:
Considering Florida is a little far for cross-border shopping, that’s not really the case. What else am I supposed to do, I live there 3-4 months out of the year. I got the house cheap out of a foreclosure a few years back. When I’m home, I obviously buy Canadian. It’s not rocket science. Being in the states is just a cheap vacation for me and the family, that’s all…I’d never move there permanently, that would be depressing.

Fact: Sounds to me you work for an American company that took pity on you and your family. Just admit it America is your tit!
skyfet

Paul G said:
Ummm……Keep waiting…..

Its hard for you to reply to the comment, it had too much facts in it. Facts you were unaware off, before shooting your mouth.
timzank

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Sounds to me you work for an American company that took pity on you and your family. Just admit it America is your tit!

America is the whole friggin worlds’ tit.
ChiliPeppersFan

timzank said:
cite please?

cite what? marcus said that homosexuality is a choice. i don’t know about you but i need my partner to get me excited and that just happen with people of the same sex.
hey, if you get a chubby from a guy and a girl and you choose to be with a girl, more power to ya.
http://twitter.com/esahc Esahc

Legislating morality, Michele Bachmann just another big government RINO.
George C

Anne 1 said:
Cheaper U.S. consumer goods , relative to Canadian goods have little to do with a temorarily sagging U.S. economy and have every thing to with the scale of the economies . 30 Million consumers vs. 300 Million consumers.
Do they teach economics in Canada ?

LOL . Obviously not . They believe healthcare is ” free ” .
skyfet

Esahc said:
Legislating morality, Michele Bachmann just another big government RINO.

The new tea party slogan should be ‘Get your hands off my bedroom door’.

Ahhhhhh, phonies.
CosmosDan

I think the group has some good goals, mixed with some bad ones. They want equality just not for out people who don’t believe as they do. They call homosexuality a choice when available studies and nature show that isn’t true.

They want to reduce the size of government except when it comes to enforcing their personal morality on others. The divorce rate among Christians is as high or higher than the general public isn’t it? Maybe they could work on that first.
valkyrie101

George C said:
LOL . Obviously not . They believe healthcare is ” free ” .

Not free, but much cheaper than the U.S. where making money off of sick people is the biggest business in the nation.
blurgh.

I’m surprised that a particular paragraph in the document is being overlooked so much:

Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born in to slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African- American baby born after the election of the USA’s first African-American President.

If I’m getting the conservative activist movement’s message to black Americans right, not only is the most dangerous place for an African-American child its mother’s womb, but the child was better off in slave times?
Tony the Fist

“That Also Bans Porn?”
It’s a choice, not a legislation. Thank God, because you know what they say about “idle hands.” ;)
“Show me a guy sitting on the couch touching himself all day, and I’ll show you guy not causing any problems.”
—George Carlin
ChiliPeppersFan

Greg said:
While we all try to figure it out, a suggested reading… money quote, ““Jesus is smart. He’s gonna get you.”
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525

a very eye opening article (i haven’t read the whole thing yet). this is the same ‘family’ that john ensign was a member while he was cheating on his wife and he had another member and senator trying to cover it up, right?

also the same ‘family’ with ties to the ‘kill the gays’ bill trying to get passed or getting passed in nigeria.
http://www.twitvid.com/ATELS

what great representatives to the following of jesus christ.
George C

valkyrie101 said:
Not free, but much cheaper than the U.S. where making money off of sick people is the biggest business in the nation.

And in Canada healthcare is budgetary item . Do patients wait 2-4 years for knee and hip replacement surgery , beacuse the Orthopedic surgeons are so overworked that they can’t keep up ?
No . It’s because for any given fiscal period only a certain amount of money is allocated for orthopedic surgery.
The wheel chair and scooter business though is thriving .
CosmosDan

And it’s interesting to note that the divorce rate among atheists and agnostics is a little lower than among believers.
Greg

blurgh. said:
If I’m getting the conservative activist movement’s message to black Americans right, not only is the most dangerous place for an African-American child its mother’s womb, but the child was better off in slave times?

The irony here is that increased access to reproductive health organizations like Planned Parenthood would bring down the abortion rate in poor neighborhoods of color. In Chicago’s elite suburbs students gain direct access to these organizations through the school while in the city’s most deprived neighborhoods students are never exposed.
valkyrie101

George C said:
And in Canada healthcare is budgetary item . Do patients wait 2-4 years for knee and hip replacement surgery , beacuse the Orthopedic surgeons are so overworked that they can’t keep up ?No . It’s because for any given fiscal period only a certain amount of money is allocated for orthopedic surgery.The wheel chair and scooter business though is thriving .

Yes, and in the U.S., 40K people die a year for lack of care.
Greg

ChiliPeppersFan said:
a very eye opening article (i haven’t read the whole thing yet). this is the same ‘family’ that john ensign was a member while he was cheating on his wife and he had another member and senator trying to cover it up, right?

also the same ‘family’ with ties to the ‘kill the gays’ bill trying to get passed or getting passed in nigeria.
http://www.twitvid.com/ATELS

what great representatives to the following of jesus christ.

An interesting piece of investigative journalism that should inform any understanding of the fundamentalist influence on American politics IMHO.
cjd ohio 1

valkyrie101 said:
Yes, and in the U.S., 40K people die a year for lack of care.

and 80k die from it
George C

valkyrie101 said:
Yes, and in the U.S., 40K people die a year for lack of care.

“Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada (AHN) – The Royal Columbia Hospital in British Columbia temporarily converted an adjacent Tim Hortons restaurant into an emergency room Monday night because of overcrowding.”

Come for your appendectomy , stay for the crullers.
Paul G

skyfet said:
Still waiting for your apology.

Still waiting to see if ProudCanadian is gonna take you in?
valkyrie101

cjd ohio 1 said:
and 80k die from it

Ouch.
valkyrie101

George C said:
“Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada (AHN) – The Royal Columbia Hospital in British Columbia temporarily converted an adjacent Tim Hortons restaurant into an emergency room Monday night because of overcrowding.” Come for your appendectomy , stay for the crullers.

It was obviously a busy night. At least they got them out of the waiting room. Average wait time in the emergency room waiting areas, in many U.S. cities, hours. Half those people WISH they were in a restaurant.
valkyrie101

cjd ohio 1 said:
and 80k die from it

Most likely reason that Americans file for bankruptcy? Medical bills.
George C

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•We accept cash, cheque (with ID), Visa, and MasterCard.

http://www.hospitalitynetwork.ca/pricing/royal-columbian-hospital/

Just lay there. Unless ….you know … you brought cash .
valkyrie101

Nation leading the world in bankruptcies? US
valkyrie101

George C said:
“Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada (AHN) – The Royal Columbia Hospital in British Columbia temporarily converted an adjacent Tim Hortons restaurant into an emergency room Monday night because of overcrowding.” Come for your appendectomy , stay for the crullers.

By the way, just what night was that in Vancouver, my non-sporting friend.
2012freedom

Look, I am as Conservative as they come but I have to say this is ridiculous. While some of it is good, this is going too far. We have bigger things to worry about. While I like most of the things that Michelle stands for, it is stuff like this that gets her in the limelight as looking like a fool.
George C

valkyrie101 said:
By the way, just what night was that in Vancouver, my non-sporting friend.

Sorry , nothing to do with the Stanley Cup . Just a lack of facilies . : (

http://tinyurl.com/6yjmvld

“It’s not good care,” said Dr. Sheldon Glazer, one of the emergency room doctors at Royal Columbian. “For many years we’ve been seeing patients in the hallways, on chairs, in vestibules. There aren’t enough beds for patients who have already been admitted.”

Glazer said Tuesday that there’s been a long-standing problem at Royal Columbian Hospital with overcrowding. Doctors and nurses cannot adequately treat patients by seeing them in makeshift triage settings like hallways and stairwells, he said.

______

Eh , its “free” though .
Bill Huggins

Hmmm.

WHY DOES SHE WANT TO KILL ALL THESE JOBS? Blow and otherwise
Nature Freaky

What will Bachmann do to foil the Communist plot to pollute Americans’ “precious bodily fluids.”?
Nature Freaky

“which will likely be accomplished below by the Mediaite commenter community, with their trademark tolerance and broadness of sensibility. ”

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!
valkyrie101

George C said:
Sorry , nothing to do with the Stanley Cup . Just a lack of facilies . : ( http://tinyurl.com/6yjmvld “It’s not good care,” said Dr. Sheldon Glazer, one of the emergency room doctors at Royal Columbian. “For many years we’ve been seeing patients in the hallways, on chairs, in vestibules. There aren’t enough beds for patients who have already been admitted.” Glazer said Tuesday that there’s been a long-standing problem at Royal Columbian Hospital with overcrowding. Doctors and nurses cannot adequately treat patients by seeing them in makeshift triage settings like hallways and stairwells, he said. ______ Eh , its “free” though .

So your argument is that since there is some over crowding in Canadian hospitals, therefore, it is worse than the U.S. system? And what about the 40K people who die for lack of any care in our system, shoddy or otherwise? And the cost? Medical care in the U.S. is the costliest, by far, in the world. And the bankruptcies…., etc.?
Azarkhan

Nearly 90 percent of President Obama’s domestic travel in the first six months of this year has been either partially or entirely political, and almost all the costs are borne by taxpayers, according to a White House Dossier Analysis.

Since returning from vacation in Hawaii Jan. 4, Obama has embarked on 25 domestic trips involving use of Air Force One. Of the total, 22 have involved either a fundraiser, travel to a presidential battleground state, or both.

Only three times has the president traveled for purely non-political purposes: a trip to visit flooding victims in Tennessee; a visit to New York City to meet with 9/11 families and lay a wreath; and a trip to Albany, New York to speak about the economy.

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2011/07/08/percent-obama-travel-partly-politics/
Bill Huggins

Azarkhan said:
Nearly 90 percent of President Obama’s domestic travel in the first six months of this year has been either partially or entirely political, and almost all the costs are borne by taxpayers, according to a White House Dossier Analysis.

Since returning from vacation in Hawaii Jan. 4, Obama has embarked on 25 domestic trips involving use of Air Force One. Of the total, 22 have involved either a fundraiser, travel to a presidential battleground state, or both.

Only three times has the president traveled for purely non-political purposes: a trip to visit flooding victims in Tennessee; a visit to New York City to meet with 9/11 families and lay a wreath; and a trip to Albany, New York to speak about the economy.

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2011/07/08/percent-obama-travel-partly-politics/

What does this have to do with killing jobs In the porn industry?
Azarkhan

(Reuters) – China’s Foreign Ministry warned U.S. officials on Thursday not to meet with visiting exiled spiritual leader the Dalai Lama, saying it hoped Washington “appropriately dealt” with Tibet-related issues.

China reviles the Nobel Peace Prize-winning Dalai Lama, saying he supports the use of violence to establish an independent Tibet. He strongly denies either accusation, insisting he seeks only true autonomy for the remote region.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/07/us-china-usa-dalailama-idUSTRE7667OI20110707

In other words Obama, BOGU.
Nature Freaky

The Family Leader must consider Presidental hopeful Fred Karger to be the equivalent of the AntiChrist.

“Rejection of Sharia Islam and all other anti-woman, anti-human rights forms of totalitarian control.”
EXTREME IRONY ALERT! EXTREME IRONY ALERT!

How does the The Family Leader feel about the genre of Amputee Amateur Lesbian Cougar porn?
Azarkhan

Bill Huggins said:
What does this have to do with killing jobs In the porn industry?

It comes under the definition of obscene.
Nature Freaky

“Fierce defense of the First Amendment‟s rights of Religious Liberty and Freedom of Speech22, especially against the
intolerance of any who would undermine law-abiding American citizens and institutions of faith and conscience for their adherence to, and defense of, faithful heterosexual monogamy.”

Free Speech for Me…But Not for Thee.
valkyrie101

Bill Huggins said:
What does this have to do with killing jobs In the porn industry?

You forget, that will be offset by the new “Porn Police force”.
Nature Freaky

valkyrie101 said:
You forget, that will be offset by the new “Porn Police force”.

The women in “Porn Police Force” were hawt. Nothing was left to the imagination. I think it won an AVN award.
Nature Freaky

Will Michele Bachmann try to ban this movie?

This Ain’t Fox News XXX DVD
Hustler
Release Date Jun 15, 2011
Category Feature, Parody / Spoof, Comedy
Director Stuart Canterbury
Starring Alec Knight, Darryl Hanah, Eric John, Loni Evans, Nicole Aniston, Randy Moore, Sea J. Raw, Tom Byron, Herschel Savage

Breaking News! The news room goes wild! You’ve never seen a hotter, sexier, Republican opinionated news broadcast like this! Who says conservatives don’t get down and dirty?
Bill Huggins

Azarkhan said:
It comes under the definition of obscene.

Really? Presidential travel? You’re really REALLY petty and idiotic.

Let’s BAN DIVORCE; then start talking marriage vows.
Armageddon T Thunderbird

She is indeed the quintessential right wing extremist idiot. By that, I mean she is the full package deal. An individual whose collective thoughts and views are nothing more than the sum total of a life time of skewed psuedo Christian views mix with twisted right wing ideologies. These are the kind of people who give true Christians a bad name. Ya know…the Ann Coulters and Sarah Palins and Laura Ingraham’s of the world. People like this have no place in politics as they only screw over the nation to satisfy their self serving hypocritical goals which are not even based on reality. Michelle Bachman, right wing pundits and the kinds of voters they attract are simply the GOP’s convenient idiots. You know the type…..morons.
http://politicallyincorrectlibertarian.wordpress.com PoliticallyIncorrectLibertarian

There’s a lot to agree with the pledge, except for the porn issue among a few other things. Besides, why is it always about protecting women? What about the male performers? How come nobody wants to protect them? Porn is good, it helps pretty people make a good living instead of collecting welfare, it helps ugly people give themselves a hand instead of picking up a street walker, it helps married couples get new ideas.

Either way, you people don’t have to worry much about Bachman, all politicians sign pledges, they usually mean nothing, it’s something you do to get elected. Remember GWB? I didn’t see the porn industry suffering during his administration, did you?

Ship of Liberals: PBS/NPR cruise only $5,799 pp.
http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/2011/07/ship-of-liberals-pbsnpr-cruise-only.html
Just4thefax

Nature Freaky said:
Will Michele Bachmann try to ban this movie? This Ain’t Fox News XXX DVDHustlerRelease Date Jun 15, 2011Category Feature, Parody / Spoof, ComedyDirector Stuart CanterburyStarring Alec Knight, Darryl Hanah, Eric John, Loni Evans, Nicole Aniston, Randy Moore, Sea J. Raw, Tom Byron, Herschel Savage Breaking News! The news room goes wild! You’ve never seen a hotter, sexier, Republican opinionated news broadcast like this! Who says conservatives don’t get down and dirty?

Fact: Liberals look it’s one of yours! Hahahahahahaha………………………
purveyor

“I want the Conservatives out of my bedroom and Doctors office, and I want the Liberals out my wallet and schools.”

Purveyor of Rhetoric, 1994
Nature Freaky

purveyor said:
“I want the Conservatives out of my bedroom and Doctors office, and I want the Liberals out my wallet and schools.”

Purveyor of Rhetoric, 1994

PoliticallyIncorrectLibertarian said:
There’s a lot to agree with the pledge, except for the porn issue among a few other things. Besides, why is it always about protecting women? What about the male performers? How come nobody wants to protect them? Porn is good, it helps pretty people make a good living instead of collecting welfare, it helps ugly people give themselves a hand instead of picking up a street walker, it helps married couples get new ideas.

Either way, you people don’t have to worry much about Bachman, all politicians sign pledges, they usually mean nothing, it’s something you do to get elected. Remember GWB? I didn’t see the porn industry suffering during his administration, did you?

Ship of Liberals: PBS/NPR cruise only $5,799 pp.
http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/2011/07/ship-of-liberals-pbsnpr-cruise-only.html

Too some social conservatives, a Victoria Secret Catalogue is porn. So is Maxium. And a Hooters calendar is even porn.
If many soc.cons got their way, I suspect a rather large dragnet would be used.

Sex is bad. Violence is good. (sarc)
valkyrie101

Nature Freaky said:
The women in “Porn Police Force” were hawt. Nothing was left to the imagination. I think it won an AVN award.

Yea, I saw that.
Nature Freaky

purveyor said:
“I want the Conservatives out of my bedroom and Doctors office, and I want the Liberals out my wallet and schools.”

Purveyor of Rhetoric, 1994

The social conservatives are the ones I truly fear.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Reconstructionism
http://www.goddiscussion.com/31351/catholic-monarchy/

Where I probably disagree with you Purveyor is regarding the concept and scope of a “safety net”. For example, Mental Health Services are seriously underfunded in the United States. I am open to a non government, private enterprise solution but I have my doubts.

I also realize there are limits to what government can do as well as how much they can and should take out of your wallet.
Nature Freaky

purveyor said:
“I want the Conservatives out of my bedroom and Doctors office, and I want the Liberals out my wallet and schools.”

Purveyor of Rhetoric, 1994

I lean to the left politically.
In my opinion there is a role for government.
There also needs to be limits. Government can be unnecessarily invasive many a time.
Yet i believe there is a role for government to play. Government can do good, even great things.
I also believe in autonomy for the individual
“I am not a number, i am a free man”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AL7npkSXZE&feature=fvst
Where do we set the line?
And the political well has been so poisoned, I see little healthy discourse taking place.
For me it’s frustrating.
MitchT

Quote from article: There is plenty in this vow with which one can take issue, but to simply distill it down to Bachmann pledging to outlaw porn (as some have done) seems to be missing a much larger point.

So the Mediate headline is just a misleading attempt to smear Bachmann. What a surprise.
LAPhil

valkyrie101 said:
Nation leading the world in bankruptcies? US

Of course it is when you consider the nature of the capitalist system. For every bankruptcy there’s also someone who’s making out like a bandit. It’s pretty hard to have bankruptcies in socialist countries.
idea1013

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Liberals look it’s one of yours! Hahahahahahaha………………………

Have you considered the possibility that you have no understanding of the definition of the word “fact”? I’ve read several of your messages and not one of them actually contains a fact.
LAPhil

I generally like Bachmann and agree with most everything she stands for, but her support for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage bothers me. I’m not a a supporter of gay marriage either, but I do think it’s a matter for the states. A true conservative would take that position and not give more power to the federal government.
idea1013

There are numerous vows within this pledge that are blatantly biased, nonsensical and bear no political weight. I am especially impressed with the hypocrisy contained in two of these vows: “Official fidelity to the U.S. Constitution…” followed closely by “Steadfast embrace of a federal Marriage Amendment to the U.S. Constitution which protects the definition of marriage as between one man and one woman in all of the United States.” They ask one to pledge to uphold the Constitution and then immediately turn around and asked that the Constitution be amended to fir their own biased agenda, one which is not addressed anywhere within the Constitution. Hmm…
Fortunately, this pledge as a whole holds no water and will not actually have any political influence.
valkyrie101

LAPhil said:
Of course it is when you consider the nature of the capitalist system. For every bankruptcy there’s also someone who’s making out like a bandit. It’s pretty hard to have bankruptcies in socialist countries.

The point was that most of those are induced by medical bills.
labman57

So this what conservative/tea party folks mean by “small, nonintrusive government”?
Bachmann is just another delusional tea party brown-nosing theocrat who pretentiously claims to be doing “God’s work” — using cherry-picked biblical passages to justify her brand of social intolerance and religious self-righteousness.

Bachmann insists that she is not a flake. “I am a serious person”. And then she signs a pledge suggesting that slavery was not that bad after all.

Not a flake? Methinks she has a bit more work to do.
The Rock

Win on the economy and talk about jobs jobs jobs and not on the social issues like the marriage pledge or the pro life pledge. It’s just trying to score points and please these said groups that have agenda if I were running for public office i wouldn’t make those pledges but then again i wouldn’t get support from those groups anyways.
purveyor

LAPhil said:

I generally like Bachmann and agree with most everything she stands for, but her support for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage bothers me. I’m not a a supporter of gay marriage either, but I do think it’s a matter for the states. A true c

I wrote a piece, oh, 20 years ago, suggesting that the Conservative Republicans, lose more potential votes by their Religio-Social positions, than they gain by pandering to the Religious Right.

After all, I suggested, of the Religious Right. “Can’t you see a bit of Islamic extremism in yourselves, based on the demands you make”?

That got some attention! Ouch
purveyor

labman57 said:

So this what conservative/tea party folks mean by “small, nonintrusive government”?
Bachmann is just another delusional tea party brown-nosing theocrat who pretentiously claims to be doing “God’s work” — using cherry-picked biblical passages to justify her brand of social intolerance and religious self-righteousness.

Bachmann insists that she is not a flake. “I am a serious person”. And then she signs a pledge suggesting that slavery was not that bad after all.

Not a flake? Methinks she has a bit more work to do.

You caught my attention with your first sentence, the point you appeared to be making was valid and I agreed… Then, you lost me. Had you continued with that first argument? Oh well.
purveyor

LAPhil said:

I generally like Bachmann and agree with most everything she stands for, but her support for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage bothers me. I’m not a a supporter of gay marriage either, but I do think it’s a matter for the states. A true conservative would take that position and not give more power to the federal government.

LAPHIL

I have thought for years that Religio-Social issues are the Republican’s “Achilles Heel.” As I have said in other Posts: I want Government (Conservatives) out of my bedroom and doctors office, as well as, (Liberals) out of my wallet and public schools.

Many people I have met and know would support Conservative candidates. Unfortunately, the self righteous religiosity of a portion of the Republican party, stops them cold.

My attitude on Gay marriage is that by definition, “Marriage” is between a man and a woman. However, The legal issue is simple. Designate Gay Marriage as a “Civil Union” with all the appropriate “privileges and immunities” of Marriage, BUT, not the word “Marriage.”

That way, the Constitutional requirement of “due process” is maintained. However, the ACLU would probably be willing to take such to the Supreme Court over the interpretation of a word, NOT the substantive rights that the law would protect.

Call me cynical. Ouch!
george L

Anybody who is willing to sign pledges made up by others must be incapable of true leadership. The more pledges signed, the less leadership possible.
purveyor

Nature Freak said:
Where I probably disagree with you Purveyor is regarding the concept and scope of a “safety net”. For example, Mental Health Services are seriously underfunded in the United States. I am open to a non government, private enterprise solution but I have my doubts.

I also realize there are limits to what government can do as well as how much they can and should take out of your wallet.

Therein lies the rub. Or, as I like to put it: “Wait until your ox is gored.” “Neutral Principles” require the same core principles and philosophy be used by people, as will as Government.

You and I share a specific malady, so to speak. That on-going experience has made me much more compassionate and understanding toward the mentally ill. However, I still must attempt to live by my principles, which requires thrift with Taxpayers money.

We all have our pet issues, our “ox,” if you will.
purveyor

george L said:

Anybody who is willing to sign pledges made up by others must be incapable of true leadership. The more pledges signed, the less leadership possible

Point taken. An interesting thought and I tend to agree with you, at least philosophically.
CosmosDan

purveyor says:
My attitude on Gay marriage is that by definition, “Marriage” is between a man and a woman. However, The legal issue is simple. Designate Gay Marriage as a “Civil Union” with all the appropriate “privileges and immunities” of Marriage, BUT, not the word “Marriage.”

That way, the Constitutional requirement of “due process” is maintained.

The problem I have with this is that it is very expensive to enact a whole new set of laws for something to be the same as marriage legally, but just without the official title. When it comes to being responsible with taxpayers money I question whether this fits that criteria. And to what end? What realistic purpose does it serve? To prevent people who just don’t understand homosexuality from feeling icky and confronting their own irrational fears and feelings. It certainly doesn’t defend marriage in any way. It’s a word, and in law, a legal contract. If it’s more than that it is only made so by the two people involved. It’s interesting to note that people who use their religious beliefs to justify their stance on SSM, have a higher divorce rate atheists and agnostics.
CosmosDan

Nature Freak says:
I also realize there are limits to what government can do as well as how much they can and should take out of your wallet.

I think there are lots of reasonable people slightly left or right that feel this way. It’s unfortunate that the media gets off on covering the extremes and conflict rather than informing the public.
I think people on both sides have to stop characterizing each other as being in the extreme camps.
CosmosDan

idea1013 says:
They ask one to pledge to uphold the Constitution and then immediately turn around and asked that the Constitution be amended to fir their own biased agenda, one which is not addressed anywhere within the Constitution. Hmm…

good catch

I just watched a fine documentary called For The Bible Tells Me So, about the church’s treatment of our gay and lesbian citizens and the good people taking a stand against it, including parents who had to overcome the prejudices they were taught to defend their children.
CosmosDan

purveyor says:
I wrote a piece, oh, 20 years ago, suggesting that the Conservative Republicans, lose more potential votes by their Religio-Social positions, than they gain by pandering to the Religious Right.

I think that’s true. We see more and more people turning into independents. I think, and hope, that’s an indication that people are judging the issues and the individuals rather than just the party line. Focusing on social preferences instead of other pressing priorities is a losing proposition.
J Baustian

I would not sign this pledge, but I don’t have a problem with candidates who do. I can go along with most of the so-called vows, and would simply ignore the others.

As for the so-called pledge to ban pornography, to me it reads that no one should be forced or coerced into prostitution or pornography. I agree — porn is fine as long as it’s voluntary, and as long as parents get to decide what their under-age children are exposed to.
Elimaning

you are an idiot
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IC7HRBJRXKA7IKTTZS5W3UIECQ Agent of Truth

To bad she or someone else in the GOP does not have pledge to ban GOP stupidity and hipocrisy. It has been far more costly to the nation than intelligence.
Anonymous

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