john wilson is just taking things out of context….the fighting b/w newt and romney is the nastiest its ever been. clinton/obama debating was no where as bad as the newt romney personal mudslinging.

One of the most shocking things that year was Obama giving Hillary the finger, onstage, and later he had the same for McCain:

“At a debate during the primary season in 2008, Obama flipped off Hillary Clinton while pretending to wipe sweat off his brow. 
It was so surreal that I rubbed my eyes, refusing to believe the evidence. 

But then he did it again — to McCain during the general.  One instance may have been an accident (however, try to replicate the deed and you’ll see how inconvenient it is), but two dispelled all doubt. 
The candidate for the highest office in the land…” 

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/02/project_obama_a_puppetmaster_or_a_puppet.html#ixzz1lGRHNeVy

I really wish Clinton would have been elected. History.

Big difference …. the Dems battled over ideas. The Repugs are going for each others’ jugulars.

Hillary did us a favor, in the long-term, by helping get Obama elected.

See: the 2010 electoral rout soon to be followed by the 2012 electoral rout.

(Now if the Rs could just get their heads out of their asses, perhaps they could capitalize on this gift from Obama.)

I can think of nothing that sums up the Democratic party and progressive movement and where it would eventually take us than:

 ”the superdelegates would probably have decided who the Democratic nominee was at the party convention in August, just three months before the general election. Primary voters be damned.”  

Dems have little tolerance for democracy and the will of the people.  They in their own party have stacked the deck so that the elites can decide who will be their eventual nominee, let the will of the voters be damned..  Pretty much the same as how they run the country when in power.

Really? How so? Clinton linking Ayers to Obama sounds personal to me. 

Headline is a little misleading, but I guess you have to throw the far right a bone every once in a while.
If you wanted to make a fair  comparison you should have done a negative commercial total from 2008. 

Let’s not forget the birther movement, and the Clinton’s being racist thing…  it at least had its moments, the most amazing to me was Clinton’s appeal to the super-delegates as if democratic primary voters should have no voice in the election.  

 Predicable prattle from partisan punk.

Hey you forgot to mention it was Hillary Clinton and her campaign that brought up the Birther issue in the first place and sent out the mailers saying that he was not born here. I know for the past few years the media has been trying to blame this on Republicans but facts and history show it was Hillary Clintons campaign that gave the world that gem.

How is the title misleading? And I didn’t do a negative commercial total because people don’t remember negative ads, for the most part. I think people are far more likely to remember negative things candidates actually say.

Dems got personal too. Don’t give them a pass.

 She had at least paid her dues and had a record to run on.  Obama has learned on the job, sometimes embarrassingly, all the while blaming Bush for everything.  Obama won by smearing Hillary as a racist.  Donna Brazile was the main culprit out front making unfounded charges of racism.  “As an African-American, yada yada yada.”

 She would have done us much more favor as President.  Obama has sucked.

Hillary Clintons campaign started the Birther Issue and you think that was just a debate? Lay off the Kool Aid.

I think I told u that once before….but for a lawyer you certainly talk out of your ass.
I mean seriously dude,the way you argue you must get destroyed in court.I mean hell,I would kick your ass in court dude.
There is a thing called facts you know.
Google it.

I heard rumors of that but never saw actual facts. But you’re right in that it’s something that has been said a lot. 

All this “I know you are but what am I” is very Pee Wee Herman-ish.   Primaries, and later the election campaigns, are hell.  The Dems who pretend only Repubs are negative are either delusional or flat out lying. Same for the conservatives, although so far I’ve yet to see a conservative poster who pointed their finger at the other side and pretended theirs was clean.

I seem to remember Plugs Biden slinging some of the brown stuff at lil barry in 08 as well, saying he was too inexperienced and that the Oval Office is not a good place for on the job training.
Joe was finally right about something.

The key difference is some people liked Obama and some people liked Clinton. Tell me who likes Romney and who likes Gingrich??? It sounds like to me that they are both hated even by republicans.

Rumors? The emails came from her campaign chairwomen who she fired right away. There were too many emails received by too many people for it to be dismissed as rumor.

This article actually points it farther back when Barack was in the Illinois Senate and dogged him for years until the Hillary campaign brought it up as an issue that it became widely known.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8478044/Birther-row-began-with-Hillary-Clinton.html

Compared to Obama I would marry either Mitt or Newt.

Put down the Kool Aid. Maybe you should open up the circle of people you deal with to allow people of different opinions in. Isolating yourself to only like minded people is why you have a warped view of reality.

Yeah but SuperPACs weren’t active in 2008, which has changed things drastically.  I’d say that in terms of what the candidates are personally saying to eachothers faces during the debates the two primaries might be comparable, but in terms of the sorts of allegations being thrown around on TV via ads, there’s really no contest.  2012 is way more negative than 2008.  And it’s not just Ads sponsored by the PACs, the candidate endorsed official ads have been more negative as well.

Although, I don’t think Democrats should gloat over this.  Generally, I think that the more negative a primary the better off the candidate will be coming out of the primary.  If you get all of the worst attacks out there that early by the time November roles along it’s all old news.  So Gingrich attacking Romney this early will take some of the bite from these same attacks once Obama starts using them a few months from now.

More false equivalency from the Repubs. Yawn!!!

”
Ayers and found what Obama had stated repeatedly: aside from serving as board members of an organization together and Ayers hosting a fundraiser, they had no real relationship.” You neglect to say that the fundraiser was in Ayers living room and was the kickoff to Obama’s political career, minor detail huh. Also just a board member on the same organization, you make it sound like this was a huge fortune 500 board, it was a foundation to radically change public school education to a more radical left wing teaching. Also Ayers was arrested and released for a miranda technicality, his wife Bernadine did time in jail for the bombings. When you put the Ayers radical left wing connection, with the Wright Black Seperatist, anti semitic and that church’s ties to Nation of Islam and sprinkle in Obama’s relationship with communist Frank Marshall Davis and 
Khalid al-Mansour, it amazes me how this guy was elected. Hopefully America has wised up and will vote this leftist out of office in Nov.

Bring it on.  I’ll beat you in any form of human endeavor, from boxing to chess.

And Hillary was right on every charge.  Too bad that Obama enablers like this blogger poo-pooed these truths about Obama then as now.

Damn right 2008 was ugly – but this guy doesnt even mention the endless false charges of racism or “tomism” (remember – hoodwinked and bamboozled anyone?) that team obama and the obama loving media threw at anyone who dared to stand for the Clintons. (be they white, black , medal of honor winners or actual heros of the civil rights struggle)

We hillary-ites havent forgotten and though we will be working to defeat Mitt in 2016 – many of us will be voting for him this year.

We’ve forgotten NOTHING….

thats total crap.

nothing of the sort ever camd from the clinton campaign.

just like in 2008 – you obots lie.

you never saw facts – caus its hillary hating bs.

just like most of what the obots on the net spewed in 2008.

False equivalency how? And I’m not  a Republican.

what lies…just like the old days…

where did you get her campaign chair did this?

it was lowely dumb as dirrt volunteer…some nobody who made themselves feel important by spreading idiotic slanders about the other candidate,,,in other words, somebody exactly like you.

I don’t know why you bring up Kool Aid drinking.  One doesn’t have to be a liberal to recognize that Gingrich and Romney aren’t well loved within the GOP mainly because prominent conservatives in the media have done nothing but vent their dissatisfaction with the candidates over and over for the past several months.  The establishment has settled on Romney, but I’m sure they would have much rather had someone else (I mean just a few months ago they were desperate for Christie to run).  Meanwhile, the base seems desperate for someone, anyone, who isn’t Romney, and thus they have kind of split between Ginrich/Santorum even though they too seem to prefer another option.

i said Ayers hosted a fundraiser. Where else is he going to host it aside from his home? And fact is Ayers was never convicted for any crimes and Obama had this association with him 3 decades later.

Well, I’m not saying I’m on Obama’s side or Hillary’s. That’s not the point of the article. The point is that the primaries were hell, and the GOP primaries are no worse.

Thanks for the link! Hadn’t seen that. Very interesting. 

the people who made obama the nominee werent democrats – they were obamacrats – huge difference.

fella – you are just repeating false and misleading charges from team obama in 2008.

sad.

Well you have a point that SuperPACS weren’t as big. But there were still outside orgs and affiliates of both candidates going negative. Heck, at one point Bill Clinton even stepped in and complained about Obama going negative on Hillary. 

Why don’t you click the link and read. Not too hard. And The Telegraph isn’t some ragtag paper. 

and thats why i as a dem will support newt….if obama and the media demonize mitt enough (through attacking his religion, calling him weird, strange etc) to squeak obama back in…i predict that 2014 will be the end of the dem party as a national party for good.

if we give 2012 to the gop – dems will win back both the house and senate in 14 and the white house in 16.

gotta look at the long game….

I bring up the Kool Aid because he falsely states Obama was liked and everyone else was liked less. Half the country did not vote for him. How is that liked? The liking or not liking of Romney or Gingrich does not matter since the comparison was flawed to begin with. I don’t personally like any of them but I will vote for anyone that is not Obama because this country can’t afford him anymore.

Nonsense. You think things are polarized now? It would have been far worse under Hillary. Republicans were crying crocodile tears for her in 2008 when she lost the nomination, but they were lined up and ready to kneecap her at the first opportunity — and keep at it for four years. Have you forgotten that she was the right’s punching bag for a decade?

Obama, furthermore, managed to get through a health care reform bill that she couldn’t when she was first lady and which remained forever tainted by her touch.

It’s a fairy tale to believe that Clinton would have performed better.

oops i meant i as a dem will support mitt.

newt and obama are twins in their self loving deceitful ways and arrogance.

Take a good look at the picture of Obimbo & Butthead, especially Butthead. Have you seen her recently? That woman has aged 10 years in just the 3 she’s been in government. Add one more year to Obimbo’s term and he’s going to resemble somebody’s great grandfather.  

Truth Hurts at times.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53563.html

People sense of history last about 1-3 years in the media these days.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53563.html

Here is an article from Politico going into the issue and timeline.

Hey when you have no issue to stand on blame the messenger. Not you but Tim ” I can’t handle the truth” Howe.

There were your usual boring old PACs, but they were much more muzzled and restricted in terms of funding and what they could do than they are post Citizens United.  I don’t think anyone should underestimate the difference that Citizen United made.  It’s an entirely different political universe now than in 2012 (and I would say definitely not for the better, although that’s probably something to be debated elsewhere).

Which isn’t to say that I am claiming Democrats are any better or worse than Republicans when it comes to going negative.  If there were super PACs in 2008, it might very well have matched the 2012 GOP primary in terms of negativity, but there weren’t so I personally don’t think it even came close to what we are seeing now.

sorry fanboi

the last time the clintons were in charge – they came up with 22 million new jobs and peace and prosperity throughout the land.

punching bags and all.

they were competent.  obama is a arrogant flop and that you believe different simply shows you a know nada obot fanboy.

leave with him after he goes down to mitt – ok?

No.  He was making a comparison between Obama and Hilary, stating that half the voters in the DFL primary liked Obama and the other half liked Clinton.  This compares to the GOP primary in that most of the GOP doesn’t seem to be all that enthusiastic about either of the top candidates, while in 2008 the DFL was enthusiastic, it’s just that they were divided on who to support.

So, again, your Kool Aid comment makes absolutely no sense as he wasn’t speaking about the general election, just the DFL primary.  Half the country not voting for Obama in the general election has nothing to do with the level of enthusiasm for Obama and Clinton within the DFL primary.

hillarys health care plans didnt involve giving over the future of our nation to big insurance and big pharma.

that deal was worse than nothing – but it was all about Obama wanting a political “win”…and what damage has that done to the dem party since?

remember 2010?

lord – you bots are so cluelesss….

 waaaaa

 Did you ever compare box office results to your commentary on Red Tails?

No, I think you make a great point. But I also think, as I’ve written, that people forget how contentious the Dem primaries were because it was 4 years ago, plus Hillary is working for obama now. So it’s very easy to forget. But the minute you pull those old debates on YouTube or start reading the mudslinging back and forth, it all comes back. 

I mean, it’s hilarious folks are suggesting GOP primary should end first week of Feb. when Hillary didn’t suspend her campaign until June! On top of that, she still was suggesting that her delegates be seated at the convention in Aug. So it almost came down to the wire.

Oh! Yes! How can we forget the newly inducted democrats, many who will not be coming to his side in the next election.  It was all too grand, the large Roman columns for our new Emperor yes, you guys were a class act in 2008.  

You are reaching since the original comment never mentions Florida once. Stop trying to defend his bias with yours. My comment stil stands that he has an isolated point of view just as you clearly have.

But please go on comparing Apples to Oranges and try and make yourself appear even dumber.

Good question. I was going to do a follow-up but didn’t have the demographic numbers I wanted. 

So Red Tails did a little over $19 million first weekend and came in #2, which is pretty good. Second weekend was a little over $9 million and therein lies the problem. Typically first weekend revenue will be a good predictor of overall box office revenue and will equal about a third to a fourth of it. So on the conservative side Red Tails will do about $60 million in the theater. Run wild with it and they’ll do $80. It cost $58 million to produce (another $40 million to market, but that’s not included for profit/loss figures). 

I think the likelihood of it reaching $80 million is extremely low. So if it basically breaks even at $60 million, I think my initial analysis was correct: Red Tails won’t motivate Hollywood to produce black films and probably will be just another reason Hollywood feels they can’t make real money in the genre. 

Ole Hillary is not President.  So where did her ugliness get her?  Mitt should be careful.

 http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/

Ayers and the Weather Underground enumerated dozens of different
grievances as the rationales for their bombings — their overarching
goal being to inspire a violent mass uprising against the United States
government in order to establish a communist “dictatorship of the
proletariat,” in Ayers’ own words.

I didn’t say he was a choir boy. Point is he wasn’t convicted. People can allege all kinds of madness. And he doesn’t deny being involved. But…and this is really the point — all of that happened decades ago and has little to no bearing today. Moreover, considering the pardons some of the Weather Underground folks received I think it’s safe to say President Clinton felt the same way. 

I bet you would!!

Lol….
You’re still talking out of your ass..you’ll beat me in any form of human endeavor?Any of them,really?You’re that awesome huh?
Dude,you can’t even beat me at arguing on the net,what the hell makes you think you can beat me at chess?

I’m not surprised to be honest man,but thanks anyway for making my point so perfectly, with that O very moronic answer.
Seriously.That.Was.Perfect.

Good times.

These Republican nominees have proven that the Party they represent is nothing more than a true embarrassment to American politics!!

And lets not forget “Bros before Hos”. It was the primary in which your vote would determine whether you were racist or sexist. It was a nasty primary for the ages.

I swear, you’d think some people had never seen one of these before.

A thing called facts? Dude.

Oh, yeah. Big ideas.

Bill Clinton: Obama Played Race Card On Me

Bill Clinton managed to work, and get things done, with Newt Gingrich. Obama can’t deal with John Fu*king Boehner. Hillary would have been a thousand times better. That’s why I voted for her.

Debates are not the sum total, nor are SuperPacs. What the candidates say about each other in ads and on the stump is where the meat is. It was way ugly last time around.

It amazes me that memories are so short.

ha. Interesting point.

You know what the problem was with Red Tails? George Lucas. Great story, great cast, and a script that was absolute crap.

Lucas needs to stop making movies, immediately.

As for Hollywood, they can’t be ignoring Tyler Perry.

lol. I’ve heard that as well. He definitely doesn’t have much of a track record in the past 20 years. But, hey, when you’ve got Star Wars and Indiana Jones, you don’t need much else. 

Phil Berg was one of the first to file suit. Big Hillary supporter.

You liberals always make the craziest stuff up.  

Yep, Phil Berg.

Yeah, well you are now! :)

He wasn’t convicted due to prosecutorial misconduct. Bad FBI.

I’m more interested in how many times he’s claimed to have written Dreams From My Father and the textual analysis that suggests he’s not kidding.

Yeah, but did you see Steven Tyler singing the National Anthem? Same deal. It’s over, dude. And then there’s the SW prequels…

 thanks for pointing out the moral bankruptcy of the Democrat Ruling Class…  actually, down right evil is a better description..

Planning the overthrow of America to establish Communism always has bearing..

Let’s not get crazy. 

Hillary ain’t no Bill.

And Mitt ain’t no Obama.

You voted for Hillary? That’s a riot. Your track record of backing losing candidates is pretty lengthy then.

Yes, and the hole we’re in isn’t my fault. I voted against it.

DogPee has proven to be a complete embarrassment to his family.

In order for you to have “beat him arguing on the net” you need to at least make a point that isn’t spelled with a three letter word. Ass indeed.

“Obama, furthermore, managed to get through a health care reform bill
that she couldn’t when she was first lady and which remained forever
tainted by her touch.” 
Well, I would like to think as President, Obama would by default of being an elected official and having a House full of Dems and a Senate full of Dems he would carry more influence than that a wife of a president.

pass the chew Jethro

 It amazes me you breathe without help

 oooh

you should be a gumshoe

 Well Bob,

In case you haven’t heard, neither of them approves of man on man marriage.

Oh — I’m glad to hear that you voted for Kerry over Bush.

Still better than 75% of Jennifer Anniston movies, and they keep making those.

 ouch

haha. And you’re probably being generous. Can’t argue with that. 

remember 1993?

Appearing on NBC’s Meet the Press, Gingrich (who was Speaker of
the House from 1995 to 1999) told host David Gregory that he continues
to advocate for a plan he first called for in the early 1990s as a
congressman, which requires every uninsured citizen to purchase or
acquire health insurance. In fact, in a 1993 appearance on Meet the Press, Gingrich thoroughly expressed support for what is now a key Democrat policy position:

I am for people, individuals -— exactly like automobile insurance -—
individuals having health insurance and being required to have health
insurance. And I am prepared to vote for a voucher system which will
give individuals, on a sliding scale, a government subsidy so we insure
that everyone as individuals have health insurance.

 dog pee

poop is more funny

I really thought (hoped) you were wrong in your assessment.
I do know that today is better than the time I was a child in the 60′s and we can have hope for the people of tomorrow.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=311827335525754&set=pu.107147472660409&type=1

 I do like that you join in the conversations about your pieces.
It has brought me to the Policy Diary to read more.

Last question.
With the box office results of Red tails, do you still believe it will set back black films?
 

Coyote12, Juan_Carlo is not reaching, because that is exactly what I meant, thanks.

Wow.

You seem to forget that that was the main reason why Gingrich became unpopular with his own Republican caucus. Boehner is doing the exact opposite of Gingrich. He is putting his caucus’s needs first. Of course he could never get along with Obama. 

P.S> You voting for Hillary? Doubt it. 

I still could be. We shall see. 

I remember Samantha Power saying some really mean things about Hillary. Really funny considering they currently work together at the state department and Hillary is her boss. Sometimes I think all these public spats are political theater.

I only watch to see the boobies. She has a great pair. :)

It wasn’t Hillary’s campaign but unofficial surrogates. 

@Coyote12:disqus 
I’m not sure how anything I said is “biased.”  You just misunderstood what he was saying so I explained it for you.  I never mentioned Florida either, so I’m not sure what you are talking about.  Again, he was comparing the enthusiasm of among dems in the 08 DFL primary against the enthusiasm amongst GOP in the ’12 primary.  It had nothing to do with whether or not half the country voted for Obama in the general election.

And I’ve been perfectly polite with you.  I’m not sure why you would feel the need to call me dumb.

Many of her charges were proven false, and all of them were irrelevant.

And Hillary thinks you’re an idiot if you vote for Mittens.

No, Hillary Clinton’s campaign didn’t start the Birther crap. A lunatic who said was a Clinton supporter started it all by himself.

And had no connection to Hillary’s campaign.

Ideas? Like the Weather Underground? Umm..yeah.

Primaries are always hell. Go back and read up on Kennedy vs Carter. And Carter was a sitting President. Kennedy was part of the reason Carter lost in a complete landslide to Reagan. That primary made this one look like a political playground.

I worked for them and know them we;;.  Hillary is Bill and Bill is Hillary.  They are one unit.

Thankfully Mitt is not Obama – thats why I will be voting for him in 2012 (and against him in 2016)

you bet wow.

we clintonites have forgotten nothing.

u seem to have missed my point entirely…

you obama fanboys really dont have a clue….

they werent me!

hillary won a huge plurality of actual dems…

.it was the newcomer indies and fanboy obamacrats that supported and created obama.

blame them – not me.

believe me none of this has been forgotten or forgiven.

it was not theater – it was real and personal and the clintons and their close supporters have not forgotten or forgiven.

i was there in the campaign and know more about this than any biased brit reporter….and anyhow you came up with the idea this was a campaign chair – not him.

(ive been in and around the dc media for 20 years – trust me – im not impressed with someone being at a major imprint.  the biggest lies ive ever read have been at the times and wash post)

lord…you are one clueless fanboy.

big deal – spme hillary volunteers emailed out something they got from the net. (that EVERYBODY  knew about and had seen)

that does not a conspiracy make.

problem os that the obama campaign did some real nasty stuff (the hoodwinked and bamboozled speeches – rev. donnie mcgurkin – attacks and threats against john lewis) that you never heard of or cared about.

phil berg is a loon

95% of repubs who voted for mitt in florida said they were satisfied with him as nominee.

and i like him.  i find him amusing and friendly.

a volunteer sent along something from the internet….big deal.

you lost just by writing those words.

oops my bad =- wrong guy!  :)

100% right

dont forget Clyburn….he and Brazile…so scummy…

and the entire media pretended it didnt happen – even though the obama loving and hillary hatin’ audience got it and laughed.

obama is one f-d up narcissistic dude.

im a 100% dem but I am backing Mitt to the hilt!

Obama must go.

more obot lies….they just never end…

clueless.

hillary got a HUGE majority of actual democrats voting on the primaries and even counting all the non dems voting in the primaries – got more votes than obama…it was the super delegates fearful of an angry african american voting block and an even angrier main stream media who gave the nomination to obama.

you cant get it more ass backward than you have.

AND THE ONLY RACISM I EVER SAW IN 2008 WAS IN OBAMAS – DONT GET HOODWINKED OR BAMBOOZLED -SPEECHES IN THE SOUTH.

OBOTS ARE LIARS, FOOLS OR BOTH.

how is telling the truth -a personal attack?

I really don’t care how the popular vote went, just the fact that the Democratic party has such a thing as super-delegates should alert you to the fact that they exist to override the popular vote.  The whole super delegate thing was devised so that if the party elite did not like the democratically selected candidate that they could override the popular vote.  But apparently the republicans have devised their own version of this for the 2012 elections.  I would hope that republicans as they become aware of this will fight against the party elite and put a stop to this practice.  To me it is very undemocratic in nature. 

My point was that the Obama campaign pulled out the race card and played it on the Clintons. I don’t think that the Clintons are overtly racist, nor do I think that they behaved as such during the campaign, but the political ploy had already started back during the 2008 campaign, any criticism of Obama can be interpreted as racial in nature and used for political fodder…  We have seen much of this during his presidency. 

Mitt is Bush all over again. More tax breaks for the wealthy, little or no regulation of Wall Street and the banks, extreme social conservativism and expensive, badly managed wars.

Why do you want to punish America?

Hey glad you liked the three letter word,even though you completely missed my point,but whatever.

Here it is again just for ya..

Ass.

You’re welcome….good times.

Yes, I remember. I think many republicans, such as Mitt Romney, who believe democrats are taking comfort in their current primary fight have forgotten though. I think they forget how much the Republicans relished in the Hillary vs Obama battle. Rush Limbaugh was running “Operation Chaos” encouraging republicans to vote as democrats to hopefully help Hillary the nomination. They thought she would be easier to defeat at the time. In the end, the battle made Obama a better candidate and backfired on the Republicans. Imagine if a democrat was doing today what Rush Limbaugh did back then. They would be torn apart by Fox News. 

Unlike the audience the author considers in the intro to this “old news” piece, I DID not forget the ugliness of the fight among democrats in 08. Also, though I have not read the posts for this article, yet, I’m betting in a manner similar to the author, many of the NEW GOP idiots and a few Dems/Liberals who just like to argue about STUPID stuff, will not remember WHO WON in 08, and who was UGLY with regard to “fighting”. Do you? Does anyone in the NEW GOP? Does anyone remember the “fighting” tactic from the primaries that carried over into the national election was still one sided and in the end, just like in the primaries, the person who seemed “above” infighting, well he won. SO the question is, who will GET UGLY in the national election and who will simply RUN for office because the last time a guy simply RAN for office without slinging BUCKETS of crap, he pretty much beat ALL odds… before they counted most of the states west of the Mississippi. 

 7 to 1.  Smoked you dude.  Get my ‘point.’

He wasn’t a “volunteer” for the Hillary campaign either. He was just a guy who says he voted for Hillary.