WOW… I guess all those hippie protesters on the other thread are liars. Mmmmm. amazing. I guess is the COPS who are the good guys and these people are liars and were trying to set up yet another manufactures incident. AMAZING.

I guess the commenter who called the police “pigs” will be along to apologies?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…..

Last point…. Citibank = TRUTH… OWS = LIARS.

Where are all the Mediaite OWS whiners who were complaining that the bank, er, “trapped these gentle people inside only to have them arrested?”

The video shows a very different story. One in which OWS morons are disruptive and belligerent, are asked to get the hell off the bank’s private property, where they refuse, and then are treated like the trespassing scum they are by local authorities protecting the rest of us from these morons (who are becoming increasingly violent and aggressive as they try to provoke confrontation with law-abiding citizens and with police).

I await the waterfall of tears from the OWS apologists here.

I have friends and family that work in these banks.  I’m afraid for their safety.  Seriously, what’s wrong with you people!?  You aren’t going to be happy until you have violence. 

They should wear ski masks next time they go to the bank demanding money.

OK, here’s what pisses me off the most as I listen to these whiners.  They exercised their own FREE WILL when they agreed to these loans.  Nobody put a gun to their heads and forced them to sign documents promising to pay off these loans.  I too was saddled with massive debt when I graduated from college but it was common knowledge as to who was RESPONSIBLE for paying off MY debt.  The one woman claims she has over $130,000 dollars in outstanding student loans – really?  If you were so damned concerned about the debt you KNEW you were going to accumulate over the course of your education, why did you continue to find it so necessary to attend that particular school versus one a little more AFFORDABLE?

Violence is what they want.

They they’ll try to blame the violence on the people defending themselves, or on the people they provoke the confrontation with.

because she deserves the best, lol

She deserves the best! That’s why you fascist pig! You’re just the man trying to keep her down! She should get her Ivy League education for free. How dare you suggest she go to some lowly “community college” with all the low life “average” people.

I mean REALLY!!! I went to a state college to get my nursing degree to save money, but HONESTLY SIR!!! Have you no shame to ask the same of these fine people. They are far to good for such a low-brow education. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

;)

OWS agitators don’t work for a living, wouldn’t work in a pie factory, and don’t want anyone else to work. Load these vagrants onto a chain-gang bus, and make them clear State right-of-way, clean up at the land-fill, dig drainage ditches, and eat corn bread & beans.

In many cases they already HAVE had violence. The cops are not safe, and I can only hope that Mayor Bloomberg decides to support them at some point.

Yep, I’ve been saying this for days.  They are trying to provoke the police into making the first move to justify their violence.  I would really hate to be a police officer right now. 

Three minutes in one person is heard saying “There are no camera’s allowed in the bank” and one person said calmly that they should take the protest outside. There was hardly a concerted effort on behalf of the bank manager to ask them to leave. Everyone appeared to be listening to them. So, looks like the protestors were trapped against their will. Citibank should get sued for this.

LOL – even when video plainly shows what happened, you still refuse to acknowledge it.

To see what’s in front of one’s nose is a constant struggle.  – George Orwell

Liberals have a gift of not believing their lying eyes. 

I guess I should exercise care when posting to forums such as this.  We know after all that:

THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING!

Think this is what bothers me the most.  Now the whole world knows what a bunch of pussies many of us are!

Excellent points.!!!!1

Hard to distinguish at times the comments on this board but it could very well be possible that Bill was making a sarcastic comment.

Well I hope to God it was, anyway!

 Bill Hicks would be mocking the crap out of OWS.  I think you need to change your name and avatar to Dane Cook.

Can you imagine the outcry in the liberal media if a group of angry tea partiers occupied banks?  Can you believe the hypocrisy in how this story is covered?

Lord, I hope so.

If that’s the case, well-played, Bill.

Well-played indeed.

Are you kidding me?  Hicks constantly bemoaned the collusion of government and big business.  I find it hard to believe that he would ‘mock’ OWS.  

If the Tea Party had targeted banks as they have Obama, I’d be more inclined to support them.

Wow Obama’s dream of changing this country is coming true. He has brought his liberal and socialist followers to a fever pitch, more violence is to come. Guess Glenn Beck wasn’t so far off.

 The OWS people believe we need MORE collusion between government and Wall Street.  They think we need MORE regulation.  They don’t mind Obama raising the most money ever from Wall Street and appointing the Geithners and Summers of the world to important government positions.  Bill Hicks would be more of a Ron Paul supporter…. which is pretty much the opposite of OWS.

The brain dead left wing incoherence of the OWS is perfectly captured by someone like Dane Cook.  It’s a perfect fit.

If the OWS’ers attacked the largest recipient of Wall Street money in the last 20 years, they wouldn’t be considered hypocrites. 

bts, it’s OBAMA!

Are you kidding me?  Hicks constantly bemoaned the collusion of
government and big business.  I find it hard to believe that he would
‘mock’ OWS. 

The Tea Party was railing against this – called crony capitalism – long before these Obamcrats were whining about nebulous, free-floating non-targets like “corporate greed.” Notice OWS doesn’t fault the government (not when Democrats control it, of course).

Corporate greed and crony capitalism aren’t the same thing, by the way.

Somebody email OWS and their shills to make sure that’s clear.

Please explain what “banks” did wrong.

With details.

I don’t get it. Why are they protesting against the banks? It is their school of choice that determines how much a class per hour will cost. They should be protesting their alma maters’ board of directors, if that’s what this is really all about.

Idiots… so let me get this straight Citibank LOANS you money to go to school (most with probably no credit history), and your mad at Citi Bank for charging interest on the loans?  What do you expect them to do, give you money for FREE?  How does Citi Bank stay in business by giving out free loans?

Did I miss something? There is absolutely no evidence in this video of anything that requires doors to be locked and people to be arrested, although the article claims there is. The video CONVENIENTLY ends before that happening. Nobody gets to see that part, I guess. While many of you claim the customers deserved it. The video doesn’t show that…

The video shows the protesters lied. And yes, disturbing the peace = arrest.

so its ok to go into a business and hold you own little meeting and protest?

Actually, that is what they expect.  Debt forgiveness is one of their idiotic demands.  Liberals have a habit of not thinking things through to the end result. 

Sure! GREED! 99%! CORPORATE GREED! TEABAGGURRRRZ!

There. Any questions? Too bad.

HEY HEY HO HO
OUR STUDENT DEBT HAS GOT TO GO

The endorsements just keep coming!  First the Nazi, then the Commies, and now…

The Left’s Favorite Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal Endorses Occupy Wall Street From Death Row…

!

“The OWS people believe we need MORE collusion between government and Wall Street.”

Wrong.  They do not argue for ‘more’ collusion; they argue for no collusion.  They want to end crony capitalism.  Keep in mind, regulation is usually the furthest thing from collusion.

“They don’t mind Obama raising the most money ever from Wall Street and appointing the Geithners and Summers of the world to important government positions.”

Actually, yeah they do.  Having attended a number of the OWS protests in NYC, I have seen many, many signs that relate outrage over Obama’s ties to Goldman and his appointment of Geithner.  

“Bill Hicks would be more of a Ron Paul supporter…. ”

Maybe, but he vehemently hated Republicans in general.  

“which is pretty much the opposite of OWS.”Not really.  There are a decent amount of Paul supporters at some of these protests.

“Notice OWS doesn’t fault the government (not when Democrats control it, of course). ”

Yes, they do, as evidenced by the Occupy DC movement.

“Corporate greed and crony capitalism aren’t the same thing, by the way. ”

They are not the same thing, you are right.  However, crony capitalism is a symptom of both corporate greed and political greed.

Maybe some of these idiots should READ the loan paperwork before signing it, then they would know how much they are borrowing. Maybe they should WORK for a few eyars first and SAVE money to pay for college if they dont like to pay interest on loans like everybody does on every item  they borrow money against…THis is just a bunch of more moron libs that want everythign FREE and handed to them….there are milllions of people that DONT GO TO COLLEGE becasue they cant afford it but decide not to put themselves in debt and find another path….freaking  idiots

I have neither the time nor the inclination to relate the massive amount of fraud and deceit that served as prelude to our current economic crisis to someone that has shown time and time again to have his fingers in his ears.

But if you would like to educate yourself, this is a pretty succinct explanation.  http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2011/01/what-caused-the-financial-crisis.html

Looks like more low information voters who have been educated by Obamas state ran media to keep the focus off of his complete failure as POTUS!!

Omg, if these idiots were Tea Party members, Obamas biased news outlets would be a non stop frenzy!

They were not being rowdy.  And it was no excuse to lock the doors and arrest them.  

Can you please change your avatar to something more in line with your neocon beliefs? Thanks a bunch!

This has made the purpose of the whole “occupy” suddenly clear.  It is a Soros funded movement to Unionize the banks!  They are trying to co opt the (stupid) college students to start a “save the union pension fund movement!”

So you’re saying she should have quit that private college and went to a taxpayer-supported state or community school if she knew she wouldn’t be able to afford paying off the loans? Somehow this sounds like you’re advocating for public education. It also sounds like you’re saying only people with lots and lots of money should even consider private schools.

Yes, the violence is already happening. There was video floating around of a couple of tough cops in NYC pepper spraying a 90 LB girl. 

We are advocating paying for the services you receive.

Time to bring out the rubber  bullets and gas. These people are ignorant for yelling at the employees. Anarchist don’t care. Neither should we.

I’m sure if the TP’ers went down to SEIU and did this, the libbies would be fine with it. 

It’s called, ‘living within your means’. If you can’t pay the monthly payments for a 2011 BMW then maybe you need to look at a 2006 Ford. It may not be what you want at the moment, but you will have transportation and you can save for a BMW. In the end you may find out that the BMW is just Big Money Wasted.

Yes, they do, as evidenced by the Occupy DC movement.

Which of Obama’s policies were they protesting, exactly? And why will they be voting for him in 2012?

Seriously do u know what’s fake about this entire process – the Banks do not give out loans anymore, the Gov’t is in charge of that system.  If you want a student loan, you don’t go to banks anymore, you go to the gov’t – http://bit.ly/nWn0fP Why don’t the protesters know this? The entire protest is BS

was ANYBODY surprised by the video proving the occupiers were lying and the bank was truthful.  The NYPD must be so sick of this, I hope they get OT pay for all the aggravation…

Bloomberg is making this worse with his appeasement strategy.  They can protest during the day, under clean and healthy conditions only.   Anything else will encourage the anarchist and socialist elements that violence is tolerated.

“Which of Obama’s policies were they protesting, exactly? And why will they be voting for him in 2012?”

As you yourself have mocked them for, they aren’t protesting any specific policy.  Rather, the protest aims target the more abstract problem of general inequity within our economic and social systems.  But, to answer your question, I would think they would take umbrage with what Obama hasn’t done rather than what he has.  For example, the breaking-up of the massive commerical/financial banks is quite popular as well as the reinstatement of Glass-Stegall, which prevented commercial banks from becoming too big.

Do you have evidence that they will vote for Obama?  I can see them being more inclined to vote Democratic, but not because they really want to.  Rather, I see a lot of them voting Democratic just because the party seems to be less ‘tied to the bedposts’ of corporate influence than the Republicans.

Mace, stun guns, and rubber bullets will do the trick.

“Citibank=TRUTH…OWS= LIARS.”

Yea maybe in NewSpeak…

We are advocating living within YOUR means, and not OUR’s!!

Where’s is the violence?
Why the arrests?
Do you have the right to take you money from your ban and put it into a credit union that pays you more interest and provides better service?

They made themselves look like fools. The minute they started ragging on the employees, mostly tellers, they lost all crediblility. What did they expect the employees to do? Tell them everything is hunky dory &  they’re free from paying thier loans? 
Complete idiots.  If you’re going to wage a protest against the fat cats, protest the fat cats, not the employees that work for them.

The industry that regulations help the most is the consulting industry.  If you are lucky enough to work a number of years for one of the government’s regulatory agencies then you can pull down really big bucks working as a consultant showing companies how to use regulations to their benefit.

Now, who was it that said that regulation is the opposite of colusion?

This was never about jobs, or Wall St., it’s an “entitlement” movement! Obimbo’s leeches are in full marching step to Obimbo’s ideology!

What you label “disruptive and belligerent” is peaceable assembly. 
If the bank had allowed the protesters to conduct their protest, and leave in peace, then it have been so. The bank and police created the crisis. The bank locked the protesters in (kidnapping). Later cops arrested people outside the bank, kidnapped and falsely imprisoned them in the bank.  The protester had every right to break windows and escape.

Or pick a major that would allow you to pay off your debt?

Who in the hell just goes to college, racks the bills and then goes ‘oh crap, this is how much I owe?”  You make a loan AGREEMENT.  Paperwork up the wazoo with the widdle numbers in the widdle boxes that tells you how much it’s all going to cost.  It’s a legal document with ramifications if you default.  Would you buy a Lamborghini if you couldn’t make the payments?  Crazy.

Btw, I WASN’T saddled with massive debt because I walked into college with ZIPPO, ZILCH, NADA.  NO parents to pay for anything, owning nothing.  So what did I do?

I worked full time, went to school full time, slept 4-5 hours a night and went to a state university.  I busted my arse, and came out of school with a one loan for 2500 bucks and 400 bucks on a credit card.

I didn’t party.  Never had a break.  Hell, I never had a weekend off.  I drove a beater car that I paid 700 bucks for in cash. 

And I also picked a major that would guarantee me a job to pay off the rest…and I did.

But if I couldn’t get work in my field, I would have gotten ANY job to start paying that stuff off.  I was the one that made the legal agreement, it’s my obligation to pay it off.   That bank didn’t make me take that loan, I went to them to get it.   

If I ask you to leave my house or my place of business and you refuse you are subject to arrest.  If you don’t believe this to be true please post your address so anyone needing a place to stay will know they can come to your house.  And you won’t have the arrested right, as long as when they refuse to leave they aren’t being rowdy.  Can they also, in a non-rowdy way, help themselves to the contents of your kitchen and your wallet?

My money is in a credit union. Where’s yours?

Yep.  And if you have a problem with that, take it up with the Ivy League schools in question.

You want an Ivy League education, you pay Ivy League prices.  It’s YOUR decision.  And if you owe them money, you pay it back.  You made the legal agreement, you make the payments.

It’s a CHOICE.

We’re not talking about a car, we’re taking about education. There’s no way for her to know what she can and can’t afford until she graduates. This is not a case of living within one’s means. How can it be if a person doesn’t know what her “means” are going to be when she graduates four years later? It sounds to me like you’re actually saying she should’ve been cautious and just went with the community college option in the event she couldn’t pay off her loans after she graduates.

Beyond being stupid about loans, it’s even more stupid to yell at branch bank employees who have no power in the situation.

it’s like yelling at the customer service rep on the phone about her company’s policies.  Like little Ms Low Man on the Totem Pole has any power to do anything about anything except cash a check.

Jesus, it’s all stupid.

He lives at the corner of What’s yours is mine & Behead the Rich, Cardboard Box #12. 

Uh, you can.

What is the major?  What kind of job can you get with that major?  How much do you get paid on average for starting pay for that job?

Let’s say you want a sociology major?  Are people even hiring when you pick your major?  Where do you want to live? How is the job market there in general?  Oh wait, they’re downsizing in that area, are you willing to move out of state?  Starting pay is WHAT?  Can you live AND make those loan payments if you get a job ‘there’?  No?

THEN DON”T GO TO THAT SCHOOL.

They can’t leave if the doors are locked.  

How do you know the doors were locked?  They were disrupting the work place.  They were asked to stop and the leader of the demonstrators told them to keep going.  They were asked to stop taking pictures and they kept going.

Oh, and you forgot to put your address in your reply.  An oversight, I’m sure, since you believe people are allowed to go and stay where ever they want, as long as they are not being rowdy.

Most post secondary schools have web sites. On the site an estimate cost of a degree can be found. If one does not have access to a computer there are different types of communication. The high school counselor would be a great first start. It’s called planning. If after the inquiry of the cost she could not afford a university then yes, a community college is a great start until she is able to afford a university degree, or achieves a scholarship. American needs to get out of the ‘instant gratification’ frame of mind and learn to live within our means.

Most post secondary schools have web sites. On the site an estimate cost of a degree can be found. If one does not have access to a computer there are different types of communication. The high school counselor would be a great first start. It’s called planning. If after the inquiry of the cost she could not afford a university then yes, a community college is a great start until she is able to afford a university degree, or achieves a scholarship. American needs to get out of the ‘instant gratification’ frame of mind and learn to live within our means.

Amen!

Not sure how that’s relevant but mine is in a CU too.

You better be very scared because Beck told you to be very scared.    

I can’t help it if you live in that Cave-in-Utah.  

Video speaks for itself. You lose.

Nope… I’m not a neocon. Sorry to disappoint. My beliefs don’t fit neatly into a nice little package. :)

And MANY more of OWS folks assaulting cops and resisting arrest. Imagine your outrage if Tea Party folks had assaulted cops and resisted arrest. Hypocrisy thy name is Pit Boss. Next…..

I’m saying don’t take out the loans if you don’t want to pay them back. And yes… I very much support public/state run college. It is far better than these trust fund children realize. They would have done well to look into them instead of choosing to take on so much debt to go to a very expensive “elite” school. But we all make choices in life. Some us just don’t want to PAY for those choices.

Oh.. I like l that. :)

Live within your means… not mine.

Good one!

Yes they were. And yes it was. Amazing how you can just ignore what you don’t want to see.

I know I go into a bank to do business and start yelling. That always works at a place of business. Just start yelling at everybody and make a scene. Why EVER would they call the cops?

They were asked to leave and didn’t. When the cops were called, the COPS told them to lock the doors so they could arrest them. Otherwise these cowards would have just bolted as soon as the cops arrived. They had their opportunity to leave and said no. So they should be held to account for what they did. Why do you people on the left think you are above the law? The doors were not locked the moment they walking into the bank.

PS.. Why do you liberals hate cops so much?

Oh ya… I’m SURE of that……

You don’t have the right to trespass after being asked to leave and disturb the peace. Man, you folks really don’t think the law applies to you, do you?

Morons=  HOW DARE YOU STICK UP FOR ME!   I WILL NOW DEFEND THE BANKS WHO MORE THAN LIKELY WILL RIP ME A NEW ONE NEXT TIME I NEED A LOAN

I didn’t exactly see any violence either but rather a peaceful demonstration…. you know…. like…the tea party was….

ahem

Oh and the corporate offices at Bank of America are telling their banks to literally lock protestors in and call the police if they try and shut down their accounts.  What fine, fine Americans they are.

CHILDREN! WHY WON’T SOMEONE PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

First thing I think of when I see a bunch of granola chicks wearing hipster scarves=dangerous criminals

Liberals are special, doncha know?  Rules don’t apply to them.

What a bunch of twisted b.s. trying to rationalize and convince yourself that OWS actually makes any sense.  It’s so frustrating reading people ramble on making no sense and contradicting themselves just so they can say ‘Obama good, Republicans bad”.  Do you realize how stupid you come off???

“What a bunch of twisted b.s. trying to rationalize and convince yourself that OWS actually makes any sense.  It’s so frustrating reading people ramble on making no sense and contradicting themselves just so they can say ‘Obama good, Republicans bad”.”  Please re-read my comment.  I did not say ‘Obama Good’; I said Democrats are less beholden to their corporate masters but still do not largely work with the people in mind.”Do you realize how stupid you come off???”Considering the aforementioned inability to correctly comprehend a single sentence, I’d wager not as bad as you.

I was, but you misread my statement… or at least falsely attributed absolutism.  

I said that regulation is usually the furthest thing from collusion.  The operative word here is ‘usually’.  Collusion implies that both sides agreed upon something and are working together in order to achieve that end.  As evidenced by the amount of money corporations put into lobbying against regulations, I’d be hard pressed to consider most regulations a form of collusion.

The police could have told them to leave.  One person who closed her account was outside and they still arrested her.  Why do Republicans hate cops so much by cutting their pay and their pensions?  

Lecturing the employees was stupid… but violence? Gimme a break. 

It’s you guys keep begging for it. Why do you want to see Americans fight among themselves?

Don’t forget the cop who ran down the street to spin a guy around and punch him in the face… 

Nice grammar and spelling there, Mr. and/or Ms. caconservative…

What major is guaranteed to get a job for these kids? Why… none of them. That’s kind of the point. When I got my degrees back in the late 80s I knew I was unlikely to get a job in my field (History & Anthropology). 

I studied those because I wanted to learn about them and develop the disciplines needed to study them. I’ve been a self-supporting professional writer for nearly two decades now. 

Not rich by any means, but not out a lot of money from a 401K plan worth nothing due to Wall Street speculators, either.

Whereas conservatives will believe anything that lies?

I don’t remember you guys getting upset with the Tea Partiers were being bussed in so they could disrupt and hijack Democratic town halls… 

Another neo-con praying for violence, I see…

I remember you guys getting upset with the Tea Partiers
were being bussed in so they could disrupt and hijack Democratic town
halls…

See I fixed it for ya.

JR48, that’s a whole lot of speculation on your part. You seem to assume that she did none of this research ahead of time and that’s why she’s having trouble paying off her loans. The reality is, she probably did all of this research, chose the school that gives her the best chance of getting a job right out of school so she can start repaying those loans immediately, then the offers never came.

It’s amazing to me that people like you make so many uneducated assumptions and they all lead to the person being either lazy, stupid or neglectful.

As a Ron Paul supporter, your childish replies belittle the seriousness of Ron Pauls message.  A mature, cool and unemotional thought process is what will lift this country.  Not emotional, knee-jerk flippant ideology.

Yes, Fox News groupies.  Banks have your best interest at heart.  Always. 

Ron Paul said the economy is biased against the poor. Which is exactly what these protesters believe. OWS protesters want accountability in the financial sector and a government that looks out for the good of the people.

“I’m saying don’t take out the loans if you don’t want to pay them back.”

And I’m saying the issue is not that they don’t WANT to pay them back, it’s that they CAN’T pay them back. There is a huge difference.

And while you all are assuming she got an “Ivy League” education, I would contend that school debt in the neighborhood of $130,000 ain’t going to get you no Ivy League education. Tuition alone to an Ivy league school such as Harvard is around $40K a year.

How about you don’t put the yoke around my neck and the necks of everyone else who has to pay for your lower education or your useless Art History degree?

Who is the biggest issuer of college loans btw?  The gov’t!  They’ve crowded out of a lot of private loans in the marketplace because the banks can’t compete with gov’t rates.  Sallie Mae gives these subsidized, low interest loans to young people—who are told that college is an end in itself and not to worry about the consequences on taking on all of this non-dischargeable debt—and then they complain that they can’t find the jobs at the end of 4 years at the country clubs of academia, where they’ve learned no practical skills to speak of.

I think you meant that for the TEA party. They’re the “entitlement movement.” They want to drive on roads, use public services and have the taxpayers pay their S.S. but they don’t want to have to pay a dime of their own money to help pay for it.

The TEA party has “assaulted” cops and resisted arrest. Doesn’t happen nearly as much because most of the cops are probably tea baggers themselves and are getting paid to stand around on the taxpayer’s dime to watch fat, pasty old people hold up signs about how we live in a Christian nation.

I’m glad Citibank released the video, I still think they overreacted… It doesn’t seem they made an effort to get them to leave…. and it still doesn’t explain why one woman was taken from outside the bank and dragged back in.  I work with the public everyday, and everyone that works with the public knows there are always going to be some problem customers.  You deal with it, you don’t call the police unless someone is threatened or they threaten to harm themselves.  Let them talk and let them leave..  Citibank just makes their already damaged reputation worse.

If you have video of Tea Party member assaulting cops I would like to see it. I’m not saying you don’t have it. I’m just curious. And you seem to come across very anti-cop in your comment. Why do you dislike them so much?

But you are ok with the cops beating these kids and the kids not having 1st amendment rights.

Harvard… yes. Other Ivy League schools… no. And whether it was Ivy League or not. It was beyond her means. I lived within my means with my education. Why should she not do the same?

No.. they pay lots in taxes. They just don’t want to pay even MORE. Get it. They think their taxes are high enough as they are. Not ZERO like you just LIED.

I AM THE 53%!

Ron Paul would never condone your views on the 1st amendment. You write as though you are a Brown Shirt thug during the Third Reich.

They broke the law. If you do that you get arrested. You are not above the law. And I don’t see conservatives assaulting police.

Amen!  He sounds more neo-con than a Ron Paul supporter.

Can’t or it’s going to be hard?

Stop and ask yourself if it would be easy with any entry level job to pay off 130k in debt?  No?

Well, there ya go.

You make the debt, you pay it off.  If you can’t, you don’t make the debt.  It’s really that simple.  No one decided to do that but her.  People are considered legal adults at the age of 18.   This allows them to enter into legal contracts.  They can make good fiscal decisions, or poor ones. 

None of this is anyone else’s business, nor is it their problem.

Really, like leaving our kids with Trillions of interest by bailing out the Federal Reserve and it’s bankster
pals?

The only kids they think about is the ones the molest.  Read THE FRANKILIN COVERUP.

And that is another issue, is the major something that someone can actually get a job with?

What no one is discussing here is that in order to get a job, you have to have some sort of knowledge or skills that someone else wants to pay you for.  Or even with the same said knowledge or skills, maybe some of these folks are turned down for other reasons?

Please Pit Boss – I’m with Tat Boy on this one.  Please link to a single video showing a Tea Party member assaulting or otherwise abusing a police officer during the course of their official duties.  Failing to do this will be, at least in my book, a clear indication that you are just another loon talking out their ass!

Godwin’s Law alert.

Do you even know when a neocon is? Or are you just spouting more DailyKos/MSNBC buzz words you learned today?

So I have to read an entire book in order to understand your mindless insane drivel?  Where don’t I sign up?

The poor wittle banks had nothing to do with being bailed either, poor babies, always the victim.  It amazes the lack of brain power in people who are willing to buy any BS big money will offer

This is actually a reply to shogan83 below.  I wrote what I remembered.  Forgive me for not remembering your words exactly as you stated them.  Why did you merely quibble about the remembered statement and not address what I said.

You would be surprised how much money is spent by lobbyist insure that regulations get passed to make sure corporations can not do business profitably.  Its what certain activists groups do when they can’t get a law passed against something, they try to regulate it out of existence.  And then, as I mentioned before, there are the highly paid consultants.  These are often retired Congressional Aides or sometimes exCongressman themselves who know where the loop holes are and make big bucks helping corporations exploit these loopholes.

In the interest of full disclosure, I work for a very large Corporation.  I’m also typing this reply on a computer built by a very large corporation.  I also drive a car that was built by a very large corporation.

Yeah, and it’s not like student loans accrue huge amounts of interest.

If these people are so unhappy about their own decision to apply for student loans, you do wonder why they stop short of protesting the govt side of the arrangement.

Really.

Just how many douchebags can fit into a Citibank?

How about they’re advocating something much simpler such as the concept that it’s ridiculous to take out a loan and then cry over the fact that you have to pay it back.

That video is amazing!  The sense of entitlement  is nothing short of astounding!

Thank you JR. At least you’re being honest. Middle class and poor go to state and community schools (community colleges typically offer only Associates degrees of course). Rich people go to private schools. Gotcha.

Again, we’re not talking about a luxury possession here. We’re talking about education. The only people I know of who can afford an Ivy League education without taking out loans are rich people with lots of cash in the bank. So, what you’re actually saying is that you believe only rich people should go to Ivy League or even just private schools, correct? And who gets hired, the kid with the 3.25 GPA from Harvard, or the kid with the 3.25 GPA from UMASS?

You’re really not bothered by this elitist education cycle? Don’t you think this may have SOMETHING to do with why the income gap continues to grow larger and larger?

This is what democracy looks like!  BRAVO! 

Actually, I did misspeak. They’re far more concerned with the filthy rich job creators having to pay higher taxes. Sorry about that.

You can get a student loan from any private bank. In fact you pretty much have to go to a private bank for graduate school.

Well, I do agree with you on that.

Can you please change your avatar into something less creepy with those dead eyes?

The bank is PRIVATE PROPERTY and it does not have to allow these twits to be there – Ever. They came in and disrupted the bank’s business, (which is a stupid thing to do, just in case you can’t understand that), and the police arrested them. End of story. There is no reason to go any further with this, but I am sure you emotion-driven lefties will bemoan it for days on end.

Go ahead, knock your lights out… you will still be wrong.

I have to call BULL$HIT on that one. There has never been a violent confrontation between the police and tea party members. The tea party does not break the law and they do not push the boundaries like these OWS clowns do. I think you need to come up with evidence on this or shut up. Your arrogant and idiotic remarks show your ignorance and libtard attitude.

Well I’m not. So there……

Pit Boss is a lying SOS.

“TMP”

What a crock of shit.

“TMP”

Wrong again, as usual. Tea Party concerns center around adherence to the Constitution and reducing the size of the civilian government workforce. There is too much bureaucracy and too many six figure and up salaries in government, too much fat at the top.

The amount of disinformation you guys spread, and the completeness of your inaccuracy is truly astounding. I am amazed that you people believe this stuff. Who told you what the tea party is about? 

Blind and deaf as well. Amazing!

Not really – I don’t believe any liberals.

He always makes crap up on the fly just to say something. For him it is about throwing out stuff and if he doesn’t get challenged on it he considers it a win.

They are disturbing the peace inside a private business. Also they are criminally stupid.

You mean brown shirts like the NAZI party that supports OWS?

That’s his actual picture. Something related to inbreeding.

Please start taking your meds again. 

When did Jeff Beck say that?

No, you are able to make it all up on your own.

That college really took her for a ride.  She needs to ask for a refund. 

“..went to a taxpayer-supported state or community school..”  Please don’t tell us you went to a college.  Maybe you should demand a refund too.

Life lesson number one: don’t spend more money than you can pay back.
Life lesson number two: don’t waste your money on magic beans, even if they call them college.

And Ivy League Tuition was invented by PT Barnum.

They are government loans and that is why you can’t default on them, even if you declare bankruptcy.

It’s Taxed Enough Already.

Then don’t be poor.

I’m sorry, but these “students” are somewhat lacking in basic intelligence. 

As others have stated, if they think they have a right to take out loans for education and believe that somehow having to pay them back is “unacceptable,” these beliefs reveal just how uneducated about real life they are.

What a sense of entitlement they possess!.

YIKES!!!

So why were the people who had already left pushed back inside by the police?

Video shows people outside being pushed back inside the bank by the police. You lose.

Why were the people outside the bank pushed back inside?

Tea Party concerns center around the terrible fact that the President is in the Democratic Party, and therefore illegitimate. They don’t give a shit about the Constitution. If they did they would have protested against Bush.

Your beliefs are as cookie-cutter as beliefs get. There’s nothing funnier than a neocon authoritarian pretending he’s not a neocon authoritarian.

And of course he’s a libertarian. Libertarians are neocons. That’s why libertarianism is bullshit.

Apparently bank security pointed out that they were inside the bank and part of the ruckus and got out before the doors were locked. They were stupid enough to stick around so they got rewarded for their loyalty to their trespasser friends inside.

Why were protestors outside the bank pushed inside the bank by the police?

Why don’t you try to sell this crapola on Alter net? They will buy all you have to sell.

Not only are your statements ignorant, but they are totally inaccurate as well. You obviously only know what some liberal has told you about the Tea Party, and therefore have been too lazy to find out for yourself by attending a Tea Party event and listening to the speakers. Not all of them are geniuses, but not all of them are the dolts you want to think they are.

If you can point out one instance where Bush violated the Constitution you win a cookie.

I love reading about neocons’ wet dreams. 

Why were protestors who had left and were outside the bank pushed back inside the bank by the police?

Yes. Banks really do think they can arrest customers *after* they have left their premises. Astounding.

So the trillion-dollar bailouts were idiotic demands as well? Oh I forgot — rich people are always right! It’s the little people who have to actually follow through.

Yep I remember how the town-hall meetings were disrupted to prevent rational discussions with constituents. The conservatives were so desperate to spread misinformation and keep people in the dark.

“Then don’t be poor” — thanks for making your authoritarian and anti-justice beliefs crystal clear

Your memory is poor. No democrat candidates or incumbents that had the courage to meet in the town hall format ever had a rational point to discuss. Or were you referring to the disruption of republican town halls by liberal cranks? There was a lot of that going on.

Pit Boss he should ask all his money back not only from the college but from elementary, middle and high schools in case he had to pay any fees. He really needs help more than those so called students in the bank, at least those are trying to have the loans cancelled without any payment, I would call it tough s….t, but all the same intelligent move. For Pit Boss who without any knowledge of their problems and situation to try to be their lawyer? Please somebody just help this guy, he really needs it.

TATBOY,  Long time no see.

There is a significant plurality who truly believe the 1st amendment is a panacea for unsavory behavior.  That by saying “first amendment,” one has ‘carte blanche’ to commit a crime, throw a rock, defecate on a car, etc., as one is exercising their right to free speech!

Purveyor

so you leftists are bothering a bunch of Average joes working at a bank.  I bet those kids parents make far more $$$ then those bank employees. 

nothings more cookie cutter then liberal beliefs.  When will liberals take responsibility for the loans they take out???  Also if you want to complain about costs why not target the colleges????  With college football and college basketball getting such high ratings shouldn’t that translate to lower tuition rates for those schools????  I think liberals need to start to open there eyes along with there minds.

The problem is, had they not had them arrested and pursued this avenue, the useful idiots would be back again and again, each time being more obnoxious……..they are simply disrespectful and spoiled…..mememe….gimmegimmegimme…….these are businesses and they are trying to destroy them……that is criminal……I hope the banks everywhere arrest them the moment they go inside……by the way, look up how the term “useful idiots” came to be and who wrote about it……you people are being used

Pit Boss……give us an example and the website about a tea partier who attacked a police officer……don’t just spout it out with no evidence……I am a tea partier and we have NEVER attacked an officer of the law or anyone else for that matter……however, there are videos of the union thugs attacking tea partiers…….so please, some evidence before you continue with your hateful drivel

Yoda….I AM frightened……but due to my own common sense that things aren’t right…..then when you do the research, which obviously, you don’t spend time to do, you find that things are not as they appear……George soros, van jones, czars, Jeffrey Immelt, Obama, the tides foundation, center for american progress and on and on…….if you were honest, you would find out for yourself but you are nothing but a troll……when the shtf, don’t come running to those of us who knew better…..you will be thrown out with the trash, by the left…..they call it “useful idiots”….look it up

Actually, do your homework….the private institutions also get government money…..Harvard got tens of millions last year alone……you are simply a hypocrite and don’t seem to know what you believe, so you throw anything out there…..check your facts first

That is another excuse……..of course, we all know what we can afford to pay on student loans BEFORE we go to college……just assume you graduate and get an average job and figure accordingly…..don’tgo to college with a psychology major and expect to get out making a lawyers salary…..these kids at ows at just ignorant and want to blame everyone…..our kids went to state schools and graduated with debt……they could pay it, didn’t like it, but paid it and had to budget accordingly…….it is a CHOICE just as abortion is…..you want choice, so here it is in everything we do in life

If you look at the very people on wall street, who wants free education and state they cannot pay their loans, they have apple computers, iphones and pay for the services that go along with that…..hmmmmm…..choices

Another point for pit boss, is why aren’t these people protesting at the ivy league universities?  or any for that matter?  Where our average inflation in the past 10 years has been less than 4%, the inflationary cost for universities is twice that…..why?   the banks did not force anyone to take out a loan and the universities did not force anyone to be at that particular one…….BUT the price at the university has gone up so much quicker……look at how much the professors make…..probably in the “rich” category that Obama has set…..why aren’t you angry about that?  Maybe they are making so much that your tuition has gone up exponentially…….hmmmmm

Aren’t you the dimwitted morons who are all assuming these people just want free stuff without knowing anything about their problems?

“Assault” is merely a threat. It has nothing to do with physical violence, dummies.

I haven’t seen any video of OWS using any type of physical violence towards cops, more like the other way around.

All of those economic illiterates surely know what “neoon” actually means, right?  It’s someone who USED TO be a leftist, but realized that it’s a failed ideology.  That’s why, in spite of having used to live in east germany, I’m not a “neo”, but rather just a conservative.

I know the world these apathetic jokers are occupying for: to maintian it, you end up ritg ugly repression, no rights, and no future.  Individual liberties are not worth trading in for a subsidized dental and eye plan.

“You lose”?  Are you 12?

Typical leftist agit-prop.  The same hyperbole and methods reused from the last century.  There’s a reason easily programmable young people, the least educated, and most malleable end up supporting leftist campaigns.

I’m not scared, I’m disappointed at seeing this pedantry all over again.  It’s as though the same fossilized “radicals” dwell on the same things, and are wrong about the same things – decade after decade.

You’ve spent you sad, short life being subsidized by others, and yet you think you deserve more?

So you’re saying she should have quit that private college and went to a taxpayer-supported state or community school if she knew she wouldn’t be able to afford paying off the loans?

-Yes.  It’s like anything else in life.  If you don’t want to be drugged and forcable sodimized in the van, don’t take the candy.

That’s precisely what I did.  Ther college-bound are nto to be taken for nincompoops – they are adults and have to make serious decisions.  If they can’t, they can seek out the advise of a parent or teacher, if they aren’t too infantalized to actually listen to them.

So is spending that kind of money when all you can manage is “ain’t going to get you no Ivy League education”.

While that seems like the end of the world, the student made that choice, and there are ways to defer payment.  I did it, and I’m not any worse for the wear.  The world isn’t flat and static.  With time, if a student developed some skills that someone needs and will pay for, it will all happen.

The problem is that small-mindedness like your will get us right back to where I started under “real, living marxist-leninist socialism”.

Oh, and I try not to hire Ivy Leaguers.  In my line, they aren’t very stong.

No Beck is wrong on who is causing the problem. Decade after decade the problem is getting worst because Republicans are constantly watering down the regulations, so there is no accountability to their actions.  

So the banks are bad for providing a service that the protesters agreed to.

Why are banks the bad guys for providing access to money?

Wouldn’t they also complain if the banks refused to lend them money?

Are they complaining that banks don’t give out money for free?

Seems like they need to protest something that failed them.  The banks gave them what they wanted.

wow… if they were so dangerous, why the hell would the police tell the bank employees to lock them inside?

in my experience, OWS has more Ron Paul supporters than Obama

time to get your news from someplace other than fox…

that’s right… when banks are reckless with people’s money and get bailed out it’s the taxpayer’s patriotic duty to support them…  but when real, live, actual people ask for help, they’re just entitled… what?

many universities have their own occupy chapters, and several have held walkouts in support of OWS. why do people think they can just come online and make blanket statements without doing any background research? you don’t even have to look harder than facebook to see the occupy movement at practically every school. stop wasting people’s time with your angry rhetoric if you aren’t even going to take the time to research any of the things you say

did it bother you at all when the banks got bailed out? why are banks more important than people? you do realize that they intentionally misled customers to buy securities they knew were going to fail… and then bet against those securities failing? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/24/business/24trading.html?adxnnl=1&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1319085496-rKHujyY6zXmSTzLZ8j92sQ

yeah… 9.1% unemployment (historical levels!!!) can TOTALLY be explained by people’s lack of skills.

well… is it still trespassing if you try to leave and you’re locked in? or you’re a customer dragged in from outside?

yup, it’s totally fine to advocate violence towards someone just because you don’t agree with them. that does not sound ignorant at all.

do you have a right to close your account, and tell the bank WHY you’re closing it?

do you have a right to close your account, and tell the bank WHY you’re closing it?

it’s all here: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/24/business/24trading.html?adxnnl=1&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1319085496-rKHujyY6zXmSTzLZ8j92sQ

and here (if you want to criticize the title, go ahead, i think it’s stupid too): http://www.thereformedbroker.com/2011/10/09/this-is-why-they-hate-you-and-want-you-to-die/

actually, a lot of us are unhappy with obama. i don’t know where you got your figure about him being the largest recipient of wall st. money (was it rush limbaugh?) but that point aside, we don’t want corporate money in politics to support either side

insulting people in the hopes of getting them to respect your opinion! amazing!

This coming from someone of OWS caliber is not all that impressive or unexpected. Did you even read that other person’s comment? I am sure you and Bill are in perfect agreement on that so never mind.

He was wrong and I called him on it. Deal with it.

Bill, Since loupdelalune seems so upset about my reply to you, let me spell it out for both of you:
First, regardless of how demonstrative the request was for them to leave, it was a warning and a chance to go before the NYPD was called in. Second, the protesters stayed there and thus made their choice and should accept the consequences, in essence they were not trapped against their will. Third, they wanted to get arrested for their demonstration, and they got what they wanted. If you and loupdelalune had been paying attention in the sixties, the leaders of these protesters want them to be arrested on video to gen up support from people like you two. The same guys and gals who got arrested for sit ins and anti war protests in the sixties are behind this OWS mob. You don’t have to take my word for it, this has been in the media for some time, even on YouTube if you care to look.

The violation does not cease to exist when the violator flees the area, you do understand that right?

“[P]eople ask for help,” yes, they did when they asked for a loan.  If they didn’t know the interest rate, the time of the loan, and other aspects of the loan they took out then they should not be taking out loans from the bank or the federal gov’t (student loans).

The OWS folks are not “asking” for help now, they’re asking for “free money”; they’re asking for their own bailout!

And, yes it bothered me when the banks got bailed out, same when GM other car compainies, Solyndra, and local union workers across the country who also got bailed out (It’s the same type of “bailout” that Obama is now “selling” (or is that “misleading customers, i.e., taxpayers”) with again in his latest stimulus/jobs bill.

Yes, I’m tired of this administration misleading the entire country with excess spending and when it does not go as promoted or produce desired or promised results than, as it’s now dowing, promoting class-warfare.

When banks are “reckless with people’s money” they should not get bailed out.  When states/cities/counties can’t pay for teachers, firepersons, police they too should not get bailed out.  When companies that support certain politicians fail (Solyndra for example) they too should not get bailed out.

It’s for these reasons that OSW should not be on Wall Street, but they should be in DC in front of the White House!  (And, by the way, all people are “real, live, actual people.”) 

The payment schedule for the loans was known BEFORE the money was borrowed.  Don’t want the loan?  Don’t take the money.

The banks are ‘evil’ yet THEIR money is what paid for your education.  You know…money that has YET to be repaid. 

Entitlement SUCKS. 

Do you not realize that bailing out the banking industry saved this whole country from financial ruin?  

The banks go down, we all go down.

Let alone the fact that 8 of the biggest banks involved in the bailout have already repaid their loans in full WITH interest.  The American taxpayer actually MADE money off their repayment. 

You have no right to cause disturbances and disrupt commerce you little progressive socialist  jerk. Do like I did and get a job and work your way thru school or is work beneath your priviliged ass. I hope the cops do beat your ass and throw you in jail where you belong. Get a fucking job punk!

It’s the liberals like Barney Frank, Chris Dodds et al that got us in the mess we’re in now. These idiots haven’t a clue.

You’re full of shit! You and your pissy little movement have no right to trespass on private property. All of you spoiled little kids need to be spanked and sent to your rooms…

You’ll never see juvenile behavior like this at a Tea Party event. These idiots trespassed on private property and therefore committed a crime. What part of this do you not understand? God, you people are stupid!

That’s because all the tough boys ran away. She deserved what she got.

Like most leftists you cannot provide one shred of evidence to support your claim. You seem awful familiar with the term “teabagger”. Must be from experience…

Rather than blame the unionized professors that keep school costs at more than twice the rate of inflation they blame those that lend them money.

No wonder we are being beat on the global stage. They are the dumbest generation the nation has yet had.

University of California teachers’ union are even fighting offering any classes on line!

The bank is private property and as such the management is under NO OBLIGATION to allow street protests to take place in the banks lobby . The CIVIL AUTHORITIES instructed the management to close the bank branch which was done . The protestors were told to leave & refused they were in the wrong from the start , the bank management merely aided the arrest of the CRIMINAL TRESPASSERS by closing the bank while the CRIMINAL TRESPASSERS  were still inside.

Nonsense ! Anyone who makes a monthly budget & does even the most basic homework on wages for various career fields can determine whether or not they can afford the school they are going to , all it requires is honesty & basic grade school math. Also a big indicator will be the major chosen Electrical engineering or Womyn’s studies . Choices have consequences you may not like that fact of life but that will not change that fact of life.

The post says that the video confirms the banks claim, and yet if you bother to watch the video (because you’d never take a title at it’s value alone would you?) you’ll not once in the 4 minutes and 11 seconds hear any Bank or Security personnel request them to leave.  

Also in the annotation linked as “Red White and Green” (which actually links to a site called “Red Green and Blue”) goes on to explain that citibank created two legal problems for itself by 

1) Demanding people to leave, but then locking the doors
2) Using 911 for a non-emergency

Trespassing???? all these individuals have accounts with citibank.  I see customers having a peaceful conversation while waiting in line at a bank.  speaking loud enough for everyone to hear isnt a crime