well in science gay people are a evolutionary dead end

Somewhat true, but gay people are a minority of the human population. The world wouldn’t stop breeding just because a few people have an alternative lifestyle.

Gay kids watch (on TV) straight couples kiss and get married all the time.

It didn’t change them and neither will things like this change a straight kid.

stupid reply button lol…I was replying to cjdohio1

Can we somehow find a happy medium between “in the closet” and “in your face”?

i totally agree

So are Catholic priests and nuns.

since you have to buy the comic book, you may be a bit homophobic!!!

What it does do is to send the message to bisexuals (far and away a bigger percentage of the pop. than homosexuals) that gay marriage is an equally healthy alternative to traditional marriage. 

Despite Jon’s simplistic characterization of the opponents of this notion, theirs is as much a pertinent argument in the national debate, as arguments that counter them.

true, but not really a comparable issue

You don’t read MediaiteMatters very often, do you?

Proponents of gay marriage aren’t merely arguing for tolerance for an “alternative lifestyle”. 

They argue that homosexuals should not be excluded from an institution that is entirely mainstream (rather than alternative)..

Comics and sex should not be mixed except by professionals like R Crumb or Zap Magazine.

It was a joke.

The point being: Just because gay couples don’t procreate doesn’t make them an “evolutionary dead end” any more than other people who don’t procreate for whatever reason. Obviously gay people are born from straight couples every day.

The vow of celebacy refers to marriage, not to chastity. At least for priests, that is. Nuns do take the vow of chastity.

Unless they have sex with each other…

the point being that gay people need outside help to survive

Don’t we all?

Well, gay people aren’t a different species.  They don’t all share the same DNA.

What enables gay people to procreate their DNA is modern science (or not so modern sex with the opposite gender).

Will Midge turn out to be a f*g h*g?

I was buying Archie Digests in the supermarket and Archie Comics at the comics shop for the nine year old and two six year olds in my family. But I stopped when they introduced the gay dude last year. This gay stuff is not appropriate for a childrens comic.  I have been an Archie fan since childhood but they won’t ever get another dime from me.

And since extramarital sex is verboten by the Catholic Chuch, how is marital celibacy any different from sexual chastity?

No, they don’t.  They merely need to bang the opposite sex once or twice…

You are an evolutionary mistake cjdohio1. 

What are you really saying? Its OK to be less then equal because you are an evolutionary dead end?

They are different historically due to primogentiure, Church property, and Canon Law.

“they can explain to them that Maria on Sesame Street was actually secretly Hispanic the whole time.”

I told the kids that Maria was Sicilian. The truth about Maria being Hispanic was to difficult to explain at the time. Made me uncomfortable. The children needed to grow up first.

Citizens of this country should not be excluded from anything for any reason. Sexual anxieties of  homophobes notwithstanding.

This article would be unnecessary if it weren’t for Jughead Obama’s policy of catering to his special interests and his own queer  liaisons with Larry Sinclair and Jeremiah Wright.

After gay weddings, the next logical step, from my right wing persective, is beastiality.  It’s elementary and needs to no intellectual explanation.

WARNING!
Betty Cooper and Veronica Lodge are in fact the same person.
The Department of Character Registration in a 1985 study found that “they share the same height, same weight, proportions including bust/waist size as well as facial features.” The also share the same deranged attraction to “awkward gingers.” Some experts believe that Betty/Veronica suffers from a form of multiple personality disorder. When presented with the fact that they appear together at the same time, one purveyor named Snuffy said, “That’s actually Blondie Bumstead. This conspiracy goes all the way to the top.”

So BJs are OK?

I thought Christians were not supposed to believe in evolution. Besides, oral sex is an evolutionary dead end as well, so is kissing, fondling tits, and plenty of other activities we like. Heck, wouldn’t it be great if one could impregnate an artificial uterus? After all, who likes a wife who gets fat and complains all the time? F-ck nature, to each his own. 

As an added bonus…..Betty and Veronica discuss their adventures in muff diving while Jughead stalks a minor online.
Story by Michael Moore.

Riverdale. Just up the road from Sodom and Gomorrah. God will punish Riverdale for this wicked depravity!
Can I get an Amen?

(sarc)

wah wah wah

the nine year old and six year olds will find out about Teh Gays! EEK!  anyways.  If they don’t know about them already.

If it is that obvious to you, I am seriously worried for the pets in your neiborhood.

Or is your post satire?  It’s so difficult to tell these days since so many right wingers have lost their minds…. 

UNLEASH THE WEATHERBEE!

UNLEASH THE WEATHERBEE!

nope, just stating a fact

not christian for one thing…..just stated a fact…..all the things you listed are choices

I think you just managed to refute both Darwinism AND intelligent design…

Even if it’s breast feeding?

How does the Weatherbee feel about this Gay marriage thing?

It would have been a hoot if it had been the Weatherbee getting married to Mr. Flutesnoot. In The Lodge Mansion.

Jughead is a tranny now named “Juggs” and he’s going to be his own dance partner on DWTS.

Is Riverdale in Maryland?

Mississippi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverdale_%28Archie_Comics%29

That is heavy. You are messing with my mind!

Blondie Bumstead… Whoa…….

Was Juggs aka Jughead’s hamburger addiction just a way to cope with her Gender Identity Disorder?

They will learn all about Harry Hay, Allen Ginsburg, NAMBLA, gay priests raping children and what dangers to look out for in public restrooms when the time is right.

I know folks in the red(neck) states are eager to get in on with their hogs and mules, but that’s just absurd.

The rightwingers will clutch their pearls and scream ‘won’t someone think of the children?!?”
But, the fact is, kids today don’t read comics. The primary audience for all of these books are adults in their 20s-30s, probably because they’re the only ones willing to pay $3 an issue for them.

Interesting. I never would have figured Archie for someone from the deep South. I always thought the characters had more of a midwestern, Happy Days style to them.

About what? SSM? I can’t find any valid arguments against it.

Yeah, I mean do they really expect to treated just like everybody else? They want to hold hands on the street and have gay characters kiss on TV and stuff. Where’s the nice compromise between “Stay in the closet” and “be treated like other people”

I thought it would have been Maryland with all the earthquakes, hurricanes, and biblical flooding.

And they shouldn’t.
Alternative does not have any definition that means less, inferior,  or undeserving, of equal rights and consideration.

Probably, but now she’s a vegan and just joined PETA. Just the sound of the word hamburger causes a gag reflex.

I tend to look at this as a silly argument. Even if an entire race of people were all gay, do you really expect they would just die out after one generation? Gay women get pregnant. Gay men find surrogate mothers. The desire to procreate isn’t completely lost because they are gay.

So is he marrying Midge’s boyfriend Moose, That would be kinda funny. And hey, can’t Betty and Veronica experiment a little?

Precisely why women who can’t conceive should not be allowed to marry.  

Hey COSMOS, 

Seeing as how you are such an avid fan of Islam, (Case in point, the overly sentimental comment you returned to me recently, Ouch!)  Perhaps you could start your own  Comic Book–”Archie and Gang goes to Saudi Arabia!”  LOLI am sure that would be a big hit in Islam, (sarcasm) even your supposedly, peace loving Muslim buddies here in the States would demand you be punished, IN SAUDI ARABIA.  

BUT, seeing as how those Muslim “buddies,” are here in America, they too can have laugh over your allusion to Betty and Veronica’s lesbian liaison?  After all, your Muslim friends are now living in an egalitarian, pluralistic society that tries harder than any culture in human history, to promote and protect liberty.  

Yet, somehow, in your warped way of the thinking, you perceive your support of a cruel, evil and archaic culture as sophistication?Didn’t some 911 Terrorists frequent strip clubs?  LOL  There aren’t any strip joynts in Riyadh, but, there is plenty of censorship!  LOL

You are a hypocrite COSMOS, and you don’t even know it!  Whats worse, is there are American’s providing you a blanket of protection, so you can be a naive pseudo intellectual.  You actually had the gall to send me Islamic poetry as if there is something redeeming from that putrid culture. (Note: That is NOT bigotry, as “bigotry” is arbitrary hatred. I can tell precisely and reasonably, why I despise Islam.)

I’ve been waiting for this opportunity since you sent me that maudlin screed a week ago. LOL  I wanted to make sure MY REPLY wasn’t lost in the volume of mail generated in Mediaite, lately.

Purveyor

Oh yes!!!! Because it makes perfect sense to make a step from human sexual contact, to then have sex with animals. I am really glad I don’t live in your world. It must be a very scary place. Or seriously devoid of common sense.

Your posts have become less coherent and more insulting. It appears you have no intention of participating in a rational exchange of ideas.

I’m not a fan of any organized religion and I didn’t post any Islamic poetry. I’m also not a fan of the ignorance that lumps over a billion people under the same label as if all Muslims are the same and all sects of Islam teach the same thing.
Look at the history of Christianity and the blood spilled in it’s name. Eventually, people, and by extension the religions they are members of, grow and change.
I’m not at all interested in why you despise Islam. That’s your problem.

Everything needs outside help to survive. And besides if gay people use technology to help them have a child, which is where i’m sure you’re going with this, Its not to make more gay people. In fact if my statistics are accurate there’s only a 1 in 10 chance of their children being gay.

How many cases of rapes are committed by heterosexual people compared to homosexual people. How many gay people commit murders compared to gay people. You dont condemn an entire group of people because of the actions of a few. Btw what exactly is wrong with the 1st 2 and why the hell are you even aware of them.

Probably because they’re liberals and comics are all they can comprehend.

As opposed to cornhole-servatives who “comprehend” gay porn. Sorry to interrupt your comprehension.

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v5591455e22mMH5y?h1=Conservatives+Love+Gay+Porn+Stars+-+Rod+Majors

Of course alternative can be used as a description of something that varies from the norm.  That’s how “alternative lifestyle” is used as compared to opposite sex coupling.

That’s we need to make clear that we’re not just talking about tolerance to something we term as an “alternative lifestyle”.

Civil unions can certainly be crafted to give gay couples all the legal rights of marriage.   The desire to be “married” in the same sense that  heterosexuals couples is a assertion by gays that they do not wish to be viewed as an “alternative lifestyle”, because that term does denote something different…less… and inferior to the norm.

THAT was my point to inclined.

So what’s your point? If I hook up with a woman it has nothing to do with evolution, I’m just being a horndog. Jesus F. Christ, people are so uptight about sex. I think you need to watch more porn, specially those “evolutionary dead end” videos where women play with toys and have threesomes. In fact, nature is with me on this one, have you read about the Bonono monkeys? Those apes will f-ck EVERYTHING. Male, female, old, young, they don’t discriminate.

For those of you claiming homosexuality is a “lifestyle”, that is a false and ignorant statement. Homosexuality is not a choice.  Just like you don’t choose the color of your skin, you cannot choose whom you are sexually attracted to. Virtually all major psychological and medical experts agree that sexual orientation is NOT a choice. Most gay people will tell you its not a choice. Common sense will tell you its not a choice. While science is relatively new to studying homosexuality, studies tend to indicate that its biological.

http://www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/03/differential-brain-activation.pdf
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/sex/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex.html
Gay, Straight Men’s Brain Responses Differ
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155990,00.html
http://www.livescience.com/health/060224_gay_genes.html
http://www.springerlink.com/content/w27453600k586276/
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/06/16/172/

There is overwhelming scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice. Sexual orientation is generally a biological trait that is determined pre-natally, although there is no one certain thing that explains all of the cases. “Nurture” may have some effect, but for the most part it is biological.

And it should also be noted that:
“It is worth noting that many medical and scientific organizations do believe it is impossible to change a person’s sexual orientation and this is displayed in a statement by American Academy of Pediatrics, American Counseling Association, American Association of School Administrators, American Federation of Teachers, American Psychiatric Association, American Psychological Association, American School Health Association, Interfaith Alliance Foundation, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers, and National Education Association.”

The National Library of Medicine pubs confirm that sexual orientation is natural, biologically induced in the first trimester of pregnancy, morally neutral, immutable, neither contagious nor learned, bearing no relation to an individuals ability to form deep and lasting relationships, to parent children, to work or to contribute to society.

From the American Psychological Association: homosexuality is normal; homosexual relationships are normal.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, American Psychological Association and American Psychiatric Association have endorsed civil marriage for same-sex couples because marriage strengthens mental and physical health and longevity of couples, and provides greater legal and financial security for children, parents and seniors.

America’s premier child/mental health associations endorse marriage equality.

 We need to get the word out to religious communities that anti-gay people are twisting God’s words to condone their hate.

Homosexuality is not a sin. The Bible is constantly being taken out of context to support anti-gay views. Scholars who have studied the Bible in context of the times and in relation to other passages have shown those passages (Leviticus, Corinthians, Romans, etc) have nothing to do with homosexuality. These passages often cherry-picked while ignoring the rest of the Bible. The sins theses passages are referring to are idolatry, Greek temple sex worship, prostitution, pederasty with teen boys, and rape, not homosexuality or two loving consenting adults.

http://www.gaychristian101.com/
http://www.mccchurch.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Resources&Template=/CM/HTMLDisplay.cfm&ContentID=2121
http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence.html
http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian
http://www.goodhopemcc.org/spirituality/sexuality-and-bible/homosexuality-not-a-sin-not-a-sickness.html

Uh Oh, another article trying to cover up, or justify the reprehensible Gay lifestyle, by implying that if you do not agree with it there’s something wrong with you. The only thing I agree with is their queer corrupt reasoning, which is just that, queerly corrupt.  

If your statement is true, (questionable) wouldn’t it fallow that being heterosexual is also biological? And if that is so, and upward of 98% of the overall population is heterosexual, wouldn’t that account for the biological necessity of being heterosexual, for obvious reasons? Then, wouldn’t it fallow that any deviation from that fact is a matter of the failure of that biological system to have functioned properly, and that malfunction is so far outside the norm that heterosexuals instantly see the mistake and recognize it for the biological corruption that it is and are repulsed by it? By your standard then, being homophobic is not only natural, it’s biologically normal. Wouldn’t you agree?

I think the more controversial thing is the fact that Archie comics are still around. Wasn’t that from the 50′s or something? Who’s buying them?

That’s more intriguing to me than Archie getting married to a dude. Archie being gay is about as surprising as a tacky tie on Father’s Day.

Did you just compare gay people to bonono monkeys?

Bigot

The most notable case of beastiality in recent memory occured in BLUE AS FUCK Seattle, WA, and involved a horse and a union Boeing employee.  Stop projecting your blue state habbits onto innocent southerners.

Sexual perversion is sexual perversion.  These things happen in steps. Nobody is comparing homosexuality to beastiality anyways. They’re comparing societal tolerance of assbackwards sexual habbits.

The more logical, and evident next step beyond gay marriage is acceptance of pedophiles, not beastiality. The attempts to normalize pedophilia have been in place for years (see NAMBLA), and have been ramping up recently with that group of “psychologists” who want to normalize the behavior by classifying it as a disorder, rather than a crime.

Wow!! What a load of convoluted tortured logic amounting to a pile crap that is.

So is being redhairaphobic natural?  Should one brown eye and one hazel eye cause us to think of those people as sick and perverted? How about midgets, maybe they shouldn’t be allowed to marry either, because they’re so ….different.

Being homophobic is a product of cultural programing. I wouldn’t call it a conscious choice, but it’s a gut reaction that adults ought to be able to deal with and dispel rather than embrace and justify. It’s called growing up.

The desire to be “married” in the same sense that  heterosexuals
couples is a assertion by gays that they do not wish to be viewed as an
“alternative lifestyle”, because that term does denote something
different…less… and inferior to the norm.

Yes , something less in the minds of millions of people indoctrinated by religious and cultural dogma and who don’t seem to want to grow out of it. Thankfully we {the majority}  eventually grew out of the notion that back people were less, and women were less, and interracial marriage was sick and unnatural.
Gays have been falsely labeled as sick and perverted and even an abomination. It’s  tragic religious and cultural programing that has hurt an awful lot of innocent people in the generations it’s been accepted and passed down.

The only reason people want to go to the trouble and expense of creating a new classification called civil unions { meaning “not as good as} is because of the preposterous notion that some other couples marriage might somehow reflect on,and subtract something from, their own. It’s like thinking there’s a boogy man in the closet.
If marriage has any “holy” or “sacred” quality it is reflected only in the depth of love and commitment held between two individuals. Gays are no less able to make that commitment, and judging by the divorce rate, heteros aren’t so great at it.  
So yes, the point of SSM rather than civil unions is to not accept another few generations of being seen as less, because it’s a lie we shouldn’t propagate.

but is there a point relevant to this thread that you were trying to make when you stated that {not really} fact?

My point was, it’s not an evolutionary dead end, it’s not a fact at all, because gay people still want to, can and do, procreate.

Here’s a thought.  Maybe a small % of humans being gay is natures way of slowing down the population growth and when religion forced them to pretend they were straight and have several children to deny or hide their sexual identity, it was actually contrary to nature, evolution, and God’s will.

It’a not a fact.  Gay people do not need to reproduce to create more gay people.  Gay people have straight parents.  Just as gay parents have straight kids.  Homosexuality has nothing to do with genetics.  Most studies indicate that it’s most likely caused by homrone levels in the womb.  Which means that heterosexuals can give birth to homosexuals, and vice versa.

And yeah, contrary to what you have heard, homosexuals are perfectly capable of reproducing–even if they don’t do it the old fashioned way.  As long as their plumbing works they can have biological children as easily as any heterosexual.

No, you’re the one who needs outside help. 

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Exactly. Even if I was straight, I wouldn’t procreate. 

I did not, I was simply explaining that in both the human and the animal kingdom there is more to life than getting some female pregnant. 

No, he’s in love with burgers or burgersexual. 

If one accepts the premise that homosexuality is genetically encoded, which seems reasonable, “prima facie.”  Then, how does science explain bi-sexuality, pedophilia, etc.?  

The question(s) I ask are very legitimate.  IF, a portion of America wants me to accept that a sexual minority is NOT, cognizantly responsible for their sexual appetites (not behavior, “appetites”) then I think it is perfectly reasonable to ask science to articulate any difference between one aberration and another,?

Because–No matter what, homosexuality is, by definition, an “aberration.”  A variation from the norm, abnormal…America is founded on an acceptance, the defense and right of the minority to exhibit “abnormal,” and diverse behavior.  However, that behavior must balanced against societies need to consider that behavior.

Ergo, I would like to know if “genetic” homosexuality is the product of “junk science,” or, is scientifically legitimate?  Furthermore, I want to know if “pedophiliacs’” cannot be prosecuted for a crime because there are genetic considerations?  Hence,  I would like to see some consistency, some objectivity or neutrality in regarding sexuality.

After all, it just isn’t so simple anymore, is it?

Purveyor

I wrote a comment just below this one of yours, you might be interested in?

Purveyor

So are you, like, trying to parody bigots? Or are you just the straight up real thing?

i REaLLY hope you are kidding. Really.

dude..  you dont HAVE to like anything.. you dont HAVE to AGREE with anything.. but if its not something that appeals to you, dont WORRY about it and mind your biz.  thats all people have to do.. quit sticking your nose in everyones bedroom trying to tell them who to love and who they can make their life with..  its none of yours or anyones business..  tend to your OWN backyard.  thats all anyone has to do. Dont quote the bible … dont tell anyone its a Sin.. not everyone has the same beliefs.. and i agree with whomever said that Christianity is more hypocritical than ANY Other religion, (besides catholocism) *sp* when it comes to throwing the bible at people..  they TOTALLY pick and choose what they want to follow and what they dont. how is that right?  just mind your business.. why is it that hard?

Guess nobody in America reads Japanese boys-love or girls-love comics. I shudder to think what kind of reaction a conservative Christian might have if they ever dared stepped into the Akihabara district and found hundreds of same-sex comics stacked to the ceilings of every comic shop..

Clearly, you’re no scientist.

While men who partner with men and women who partner with women can not conceive with their partners, it doesn’t mean that 1) they can’t produce live young from a heterosexual sex act or 2) they can’t contribute to a culture that nurtures live young.

Many men and women never partner or, if they do, they do not produce offspring. Are they, then “evolutionary dead ends?” 

No. They are merely people who have not reproduced.

If the human species were running low on people, it would be important to boost the population. That can and has included mandating heterosexual marriage or at least pregnancies. Doesn’t mean people couldn’t still be in same-sex partnerships, though. Just might mean we’d need to put aside monogamy. Oh, the tragedy!

Given that we are NOT running low on people, having some humans opt out of reproduction is in everyone’s best interest. Aside from not introducing more people than are good for the environment, child-free adults can assist those with children in a number of ways that adults with children often can not.   

While some gay people, like some heterosexual people, aren’t interested in child raising, some are quite happy to adopt/be foster parents or work professionally with children/spend time with them on a volunteer basis; being a tutor, a Big Brother or Big Sister, giving parents a break by babysitting, etc. 

There are many ways that adults can contribute to a better world for children — and reproducing isn’t always the best way for that to happen.

I know quite a few stable, loving gay couples that have adopted children or become foster parents. These children are often troubled or have physical ailments, apparently making them less appealing to straight adults. Clearly, those gay parents are not “evolutionary dead ends,” because they are helping children thrive and grow. 

You didn’t state a fact. You stated a personal opinion, claiming it was scientific. 

But you didn’t have any trouble with your kids seeing busty, skinny bimbo girls throw themselves at Archie? That’s a role model you want to present to your kids?

It’s funny how it’s always the conservative who starts talking about sex with animals, the dead, and children. What is it with you people?

There goes that ‘phobia’ word again.
You know, people do have a right to disagree with a lifestyle under their religious convictions and not accept the agenda.  What they should not do though is alienate the person(s) or force their religion or their lifestyle on anyone.

I think there are many more Christaphobes, than there are Homophobes in this World…

Obviously, you have not actually read evolutionary theory very deeply. Do some research and you will find evolutionary psychologists have formed theories around homosexuality. In fact, if there was no rhyme or reason to homosexuality, the theory itself dictates that it would have been evolved out of existence a long time ago. Clearly homosexuality has a purpose.

So are silly religious fascists like yourself, hopefully.