Looking at Chaz bono is toxic to anything that should glance that way.Ugly for a man or women or beast even ugly for a libtards.

Whose Keith Ablow?

I think he’s a wannabe Dr. Laura.  

Fact: Libs think this crap is normal!

Man, it must be terrible to be one of those poor souls like Dr. Keith who can magically be turned gay or transsexual merely by seeing one. I wonder if he has to walk down the street blindfolded?

That being said, I will be boycotting Dancing with the Stars for the simple fact that it clearly promotes the “Being Dancing with the Stars” agenda.

Never seen the show , but it seems the word “star” is thrown around kind of loosely .

Glenn Beck’s boyfriend.

The only thing I’d want to hear from a doctor is the health hazards of a female taking male hormone injections. Generally, men suffer poor cardiovascular health a result of testosterone, and steroids are a proven killer when taken over time. Look at how many WWE wrestlers have died of heart attacks recently. That’s something Chaz should think about.

There’s a bigger problem that Ablow doesn’t address, and that there’s actually people who would look up to ANYBODY that would be on Dancing With the Stars.

I think this dr. misses the mark because Bono’s desire to be a man is not driven by the natural cause,  hormones, because if this were true, Bono would still be the woman she was… someone explain the breasts, etc, if you are lacking hormones? So, the desire to be a man, in this case, must be a mental illness that should be addressed from that angle, therefore, I agree, let’s not promote this garbage for kids to be exposed too.

If watching violence or explicit sex or explicit drug use can influence children or shape/alter their perception of those acts, why can’t this example?

Next thing you know, the blacks will want to be able to marry pure bred white people!

If I were going to listen to either a Keith Ablow, or an Alex Alvarez regarding current possible moral affectations on our society or on our children, I think I’d go with Dr. Ablow.  Would the act of watching Chaz Bono lead a child to the greater potential for being “transgender” . . . . maybe not. 

When I was a child, I went to a carnival and watched a “wild man” tear apart a live chicken.  Did that turn me into a chicken-rippin’ wild man?  No, but it probably wasn’t the best thing I ever watched, either.

Mr. Alvarez speaks of Trangenderism (?) as a “condition” — like pimples, or some exotic social disease — it’s not.  It’s nothing – it doesn’t exist, until the subject DECIDES TO BE a transgendered person — to change, as much as possible – what he or she was given.  I’m perfectly willing to aknowledge that being gay is not a choice — but being transgendered is.  And it’s a sick, repugnant choice.

“Being Dancing with the Stars agenda. ”
What a terrifying agenda that is.

Three apropos words for Ablow:

Grow a pair.

It’s more like, friend of a friend of a star or third cousin of a star.

Fact: conservatives can magically be turned gay by seeing a gay person on tv.

You mean “dr.” Laura.

I meant Alvarez, not the doctor!

They’re afraid they won’t be able to hold back their repression.

I think we can all agree on that.

First of all because being gay isn’t a learned behavior. Secondly, he’s not actually doing anything, he’s merely existing. People who participate in explicit sex are allowed on tv all the time but we don’t actually see them participating in explicit sex. In short what you described are actions taking place on tv, bono being gay is a state of being, not an action that he’s performing on television.

Man!! Does Dr. Ablow fit in with Fox News or what?? Maybe next time he’ll offer his opinion on how “these” people need to be shipped out of the country to save our children!!

And he calls himself a “doctor??”

I just don’t understand this whole kerfuffle.
If this adjustment has made Chaz Bono a happy, fulfilled, person then more power to him.

Dog, you guys basically left me alone with all the cons on tvnewser. Come back, us line need to be more organize like they are over there. Anyway woof, woof….

do parents have the right to decide what their children are exposed too?

Of course!

Are you retarded? He’s not going to get a sex change on TV. He’s just going to be dancing like everyone else on the show.

All I can suggest is that you consider coming here to a legitimate site!! Let them wallow in their own sh*t!!  =)

So you compare a “wild man” tearing apart a live chicken.” to being transsexual?

WTF!

So that actress formerly with Ellen DeGeneres (in a “loving” way) who now says she “used to be” a lesbian and is now straight, that she is NOT making her own choices, and has no control over her own behavior? All those folks that go gay-straight-gay-straight-etc are merely robots?

silly me, I didn’t know… not that I should, or cared one way or the other, anyway, but – just askin’

I have no issue with gays or gays being on TV, but someone who mutilates their body is a different thing altogether. I think it’s as radical as a gay person being submitted to a psychologist to alter their sexual identity. People are born are certain way, and they–and we–ought to learn to deal with it and respect it as such.

Bottom-line, it’s a subject that’s way above the heads of most kids, and as much as I support Chaz’s right to do whatever he wants to himself, I don’t think it’s appropriate to subject to kids. I also, by the way, support a person’s right to commit suicide… doesn’t mean that it should happen on a show that lots of kids watch.

I didn’t know the lead singer of U2 used to be a woman.

Looking at that picture above you can see what a freak she has become. 
It’s really quit scary to look at her.
Too much surgery imo.
Why couldn’t she just be herself and not change her looks?
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I’m talking about Cher of course.

You realize that if these idiots had a choice between having their children watch Chaz Bono on DWTS or some PG-13 rated action film where cops are murdered and bad guys kill people by the dozens, they’d choose the latter.

Because, you know. violence is fine. Just don’t make me talk to my kids about sex.

i wanna be a porn star.

If she weren’t such a cute little girl on national TV way back when…then maybe he would be more acceptable on national TV now.

Depending on the child’s age, it would be confusing for a young child and I would refrain from letting my kid watch, if they are under the age of 14-15ish. You can address transgender issues with your kids when they are older and better able to understand.  And there is nothing discriminatory or homophobic about that decision.

I seriously dont’ care what she/he does…Did not even finish the entire article…
And again…if she were my daughter I would have to support her…him…or whatever….
I don’t watch this stupid show anyway…so, here at my homestead this all nothing but nonsense.

just4thefax, are you back polluting the interweb with your abject stupidity once again?  Not only do readers of your inane, vapid posts run the risks of having their brain cells shed at an accelerated rate, someone as obtuse as you deserves to be sodomized with a claw hammer.

To think that children cannot be influenced by TV is absurd. What do you think commercials are designed for, amusement? Seriously, there’s a great new book out that traces the decline of standards in Hollywood production trends all the way back to the 50′s. It’s not some ranting right wing rant, but a look at why Hollywood has consistently pushed the envelope on allowable sexual content. Come on people, the whole bruhaha is an attempt to manufactor controversy and drive up the ratings, nothing more or less. They’re just doing their jobs which is first foremost and always to make money selling advertising. Controversy is what thet aim for, as a previos poster has pointed out, the cousins of stars is the norm. Not much to see there, but by a transgendered son/daughter of CHER, wow!!!!! Always follow the money, always.

No doubt, Dr. Asuck will be informing all good, upstanding Christian-patriot parents that listening to Elvis sing that “Negro music” and wiggling his hips will turn their children into beatniks, communists, homosexuals, or perhaps even worse.

What is wrong with everyone?  Who is he hurting by just being whom he wants to be?  Why is everyone so judgmental?  And who here has an absolutely perfect life, who has the right to actually stand on their soapbox and judge?  Oh yes the people who’s lives are so meaningless, that they need to be judgmental of others, because they have no control over their own meaningless lives!

It was just before U2′s debut album, Boy.

“To” not “too”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6E98ZRaU1s

It’s called being bisexual. 

Not really, Chaz just looks like a kinda fat girl that’s butch… why is that “toxic”?

Tea Partiers and Libertarians shouldn’t care what Chaz does, it goes against their beliefs of “freedoms” and the constitution. If you don’t want Chaz on TV and you’d fight to get him/her off television, you probably don’t give a shit about individual rights, you’re a faker. 

You are obviously uneducated on the transsexual and intersex medical condition.  Most children know that they are transsexual at the age of 6. Some act on it, many don’t.  Some try to suppress it because they don’t believe it is true.  Some parents will suppress it through intimidation or physical violence.  It turns out I was born with what would be discovered much later in life as a hormone imbalance.  For others, it is a genetic function, similar to homosexuality and many other variable traits people have.  So like being gay, being trans is not a choice.

Yeah, but that pretty much shoots Ablow’s argument all to pieces when you think about it- Chaz was obviously brought up as a feminine, dress-wearing girl, yet he still felt male and chose to get gender reassignment. This “doctor” also thinks that allowing pre-school boys to wear pink nail polish will somehow instantly turn them gay or transgender. How is he even licensed?

AUTHOR:  “If you, reader, believe that transgenderism does not exist as a valid
condition, do you also believe that the impulse to switch gender is, as
Dr. Ablow suggests, “contagious?””
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Why would the author put the word “contagious” in quotation marks when Dr. Ablow NEVER uttered that word?  And this site is supposed to police media bias?  Puhleeeeze.

Google “Dr. John Money”>This creep was a psychologist (and so am I!) was the main force in driving this travesty of human destruction. Read about the lives he ruined and the suicide(s). Horrible, and why is it people only whine about judgmentalism when someone is doing something bad?

This whole Chaz Bono thing is apparently a big deal because people are making it a big deal.  If Chaz comes on the show and starts touting “I’m Chaz and I’m a transsexual!!!” .. sure I would have issues with that and I am a transsexual myself. 

Chaz has gone through a transition where he is making his body match his gender (notice I did not say sex).  Gender and sex are two totally different things.  Chaz’s assigned birth sex will always be female like my birth sex will always be male.  However, Chaz’s GENDER is male and that’s how he should be treated.    We need to stop looking between the legs and look someone right in the heart.

I have no issue with gays or gays being on TV, but someone who mutilates their body is a different thing altogether.

  So you wouldn’t let your kids watch Michael Jackson ?

Exposed to a man dancing with a woman?  I would rather expose children to that then a lot of the violence I see on TV. 

I’m wondering what your point is and how it relates to the post you responded to?

I took one this morning. I normally do.  

This business about children knowing their sexual identity before they hit puberty is a bunch of bull.  You have no sexual desires nor are you cognizant of issues related to the opposite sex.  You don’t go through that developmental stage until puberty.  And the whole nature vs nurture issue has not been proven as of yet.  I’m sure some day it will, but it hasn’t yet.

We’re taking over this site too.

Sorry.

It’ll be alright Princess. I’ll protect you.
 
LOLOLOL!

I don’t recall saying anything about SEXUAL identity (e.g. who you want to have sexual relations with).. I was referring to GENDER identity (e.g. whether you are masculine or feminine, male or female).  Big difference.  Puberty does not affect that.

Wait, is Dr. Keith Ablow that pedophile Dr?

Good article Alex.
There was a well publicized local case here about a man who was married with at least one child , who had been unhappy in his male role his whole life, and finally decided to surgically become the woman he always felt he was.  I thought the same thing you did. How emotionally difficult it must be to make that kind of decision.
IMO Dr {I hesitate to use the term} Ablow, is an opinion for hire for Fox news.{one of many}  He’s appears on a fairly regular basis to  offer “analysis” which is always fairly obvious emotional pandering to Fox’s target audience. So yes, it’s unprofessional and has been consistently so. This is the most obvious and egregious case of selling your “professional” opinion. Unprofessional is the kindest word I’d use.

Remember BillO talking about how awful it would be to explain two men kissing to a child? Isn’t it clear that it’s only a confusing issue for kids because of the discomfort of the adults?

Quack Keith Ablow is A/blowhard. That charlatan wrote some flaky book about Casey Anthony’s mind, and he never even met the lady. What a fraud.

Julie, you must have received your PhD from a diploma mill in a third world country.

it’s not a question of “rights” in the sense of liberties or legal rights, they’re wrong in thinking seeing a transexual will effect their kids somehow.

Dr. Keith Ablow’s comment (last year?) regarding pedophilia was disgusting. Ablow is a quack!

Your last sentence is ludicrous.  What is wrong with “everyone”?  Some people have no problem with Chas – some do.  Not everyone feels one way or the other.  

If you are going to argue and attempt to make a point – make it and don’t go with the meaningless nonsense.  Obviously the meaningless life was Chastity’s.  She hated it and changed it to what she wanted it to be.  

I have absolutely no issue with her changing into a him.  I do take issue with your nonsensical take on what is wrong with people.  People are people.  Some are comfortable with it, others not so much.

There is a fellow/woman at a store I frequent who is changing into a female.  Kids stare at him/her like he has 2 heads.  I feel badly for him/her and the kids.  There are no winners, only a troubled person and some very curious children wondering why the man has tons of make up on and heels and yet talks in a very deep voice and is obviously in the beginning stages of his transformation.   I have never seen anyone treat this person with anything but respect but I understand the parents dilemma at the same time.  You see, some of us are not one dimensional cut-outs,  we look at the whole picture and don’t cut off the part that we have no answer for.  

Chaz kind of reminds me of that ‘ Fat Bastard ” character in the Austin Powers movies.

My sister is a male to female transsexual. I find the bigotry and hate here disgusting. GLBT people are human beings. Some of the comments on this site are revolting, but I think they are the exception, not the rule. A majority of Americans are accepting and have compassion. Unfortunately, some do not.

You sound envious.

Sounds like you want some of that Chaz! butter up , dear!

How did it taste?

Snore!

They are very similar!

Sounds like you want some Ablow!

My point is that programs with violence or explicit drug use come with parental warnings.  I’m not advocating one way or the other, in this post, about choice or learned behavior.  BUT when young children are exposed to a certain type of behavior, and that behavior is applauded or celebrated, then they don’t really get to make up their own minds about said behavior.  They’re somewhat programmed by the perception generated on TV. 

BTW, i’m not sure your factual assertion of learned behavior or not is scientifically proven.  Again, not advocating either way in this post, but your statement of fact is not exactly scientific fact. 

Yeah, you want to be a freak like that Chaz!

So is your mom!

And that explains you.

Yes, he has been romantic with you.

No, I’m not.  I’m sure all the actual ‘retarded’ people appreciate your tolerance of that condition.  Are you a liberal?  Because I thought you were all compassionate and tolerant and shit.

Did I say he was going to get a sex change on TV? 

Ironic isn’t it?

We as a society glorify violence. Many have no problem with young children being exposed to violence, in person and on television/video games.
Yet, Chaz is a threat. Boggles the mind.

Ironic isn’t it?

We as a society glorify violence. Many have no problem with young children being exposed to violence, in person and on television/video games.
Yet, Chaz is a threat. Boggles the mind.

Do you have anything of relevance to say. Maybe a point would make . Or are you just going to keep being a cyber bully?

Good One LOL

another thoughtful post by the cyber bully

Your comments about the unprofessionalism of this “doctor” (yes, I realize he really is a credentialed, licensed medical practitioner, but he is clearly NO medical PROFESSIONAL and does not get my respect – the respect I give someone by acknowledging them as a doctor (sans quotation marks).  I am transgender so I will be quite biased obviously, but I have personally met dozens just like me whose lives have been turned around completely by virtue of accepting themselves and transitioning genders.  Any member of the psychiatric community ESPECIALLY who ignores the facts that prove the success of treating people with legitimate gender identity conditions by having them undergo professionally guided and supervised gender transitions is a discredit to his or her profession.  Shame on him, and even more shame on the network so gleefully chirping on about being “Fair & Balanced” all the time.  Buffoonery.  –Stacey A.

 But I bet you loved convicted Republican felon Hot Tub Tom DeLay being glorified as a hero by DWTS, right?

 More importantly: We think it’s none of our damn business – or yours.
Why do Republicans want to get involved in everyone’s private lives?

Great comeback. Very insightful

More like Dancing with the Has-beens

Just brillant. Keep babbling bully

My point is that some are “born this way” and some are not, i.e., they “choose” to be in a certain lifestyle. Not condemning it, not condoning it. Just stating it..

Upon further review, I would agree with your noting its lack of relevance to the post I responded to.

Racists can take solace in the fact that can always just keep their mixed race kids a secret for decades, like the GOP’s Strom Thurmond did with his love child.

Feaking amazing.any other pointless dribble/

NF, one of the few times I agree with you.

Indeed….WTF?

P.S. – those chickens needed a union (snicker)

Says it all , about you.

You should know bully

Crude but what else would you expect from a Drag Queen who happens to be a cyber bully as well.

you sound stupid

Why is it that everything you type reads “oink, oink, oink”?

It’s not bigotry or hate to object to one’s mutilating their body. Before this surgery was possible, they had to make do with what they got. I think they deserve as much rights as anyone else… and if they want to mutilate themselves, so be it. Chop off your arm if you want – it’s your right.

But a family show is not the place for someone who goes to such RADICAL lengths. I have no problems with gays being on family shows… or people who believe they were born with the wrong gender. But someone who does all that Chaz did is way too much for children, especially, to have to deal with. There are plenty of people who think they may have been born with the wrong gender who do not mutilate themselves and still figure out life.

Again, Chaz should have the right to do whatever he/she wants to do. But I would not want this idea exposed to children who have yet to figure themselves out for themselves. To think this is an appropriate option is by any measure absurd.

Just like I wouldn’t want suicide–which is one’s right to commit–to be treated as “acceptable” for young children watching a family show.

I respect your humor, but I think it hurts your argument when you make it sound like a negative, nasty thing if Dr. Keith “turned gay or transsexual”. Like some kinda putdown…

Seems you’re condemning the same folks you seemingly support, IMHO.

Okay, but what about when the child says, “Mommy, why does that ugly guy look so weird?” Is mommy then supposed to LIE to the child? Or discuss transsexuals with the child?

Not a fair situation to put a parent in.

Why is Chaz a freak?  I know why you’re a freak, but why is Chaz one? 

Why is Chaz a freak?  I know why you’re a freak, but why is Chaz one? 

It’s very simple, you just simply say it’s not nice to judge a person by the way they look and leave it at that. That way, you are not lying to your child nor are you bringing up the discussion of transsexuals.  Sounds fair to me.

I realize you are genuinely curious and looking forward to taking back in your mouth what comes out of it 98% of the time. {Probably to replenish your brains} but I’m not going to able to help you on this one. I just don’t know. I suggest you ask just4thefax.

Jacobjakeu, are you conservative?  I am.

If you are, I’m sure you’ll agree with me that If you don’t find it appropriate for your children, just change the channel.  The marketplace at work.  If you’re offended, give your business to anther family friendly channel.

I don’t have kids, but if I did I’d have a harder time explaining why people like Joy Behar or Ed Schultz are on television.

Or never were.

Sexual preference has a lot of variations and certainly isn’t all one way or the other. I’ve met people whom I think were drawn to seeking affection and companionship from their own gender because of rejection and/or emotional trauma so I agree that some choose, although in some cases it’s an unconscious choice. 

In what way?

Sure, and that’s exactly what will happen. Of course, it begs the question from kids…. “Why can’t we watch the show when we’ve watched it all these years?” Bottom line, the issue is introduced and has to be dealt with. ABC should have known better.

Joy Behar, we never watched. So there is no issue. But if she were on DWTS…..

If you were letting your children watch DWTS in the first place it is a sign that Child Protective Services should be called as soon as possible.

My goodness you come from some whacked out family there freak.  No wonder you chose the name you did.  I don’t know how many family members you have but they seem to have had every “social” ill known to mankind (according to your previous posts).  

Honestly, I’m not believing much of what you’re spouting these days.  You my friend are a head case. 

p.s. and an attention seeker – hmm better consult Ablow.

while you BMG just remind me of a bastard

The person was born a woman and then wanted to become a man. What effed up world do we live in where that’s ‘normal’?

I don’t watch violence; my kids never watched violent shows.  “We as a society glorify violence’?  Maybe that explains your problems.  You might glorify it, I still don’t – don’t watch and don’t think I’ve missed much.  My kids – they don’t watch it to this day.  Perfectly normal adults – can you even imagine.

Quit with the boggles the mind.  It boggles yours, others deal with life issues as they see fit and it’s really not your place or your right to decree how they deal with issues they are not comfortable with.  

Responsible parents respond according to their own sentiments regarding social issues.  Responsible parents don’t encourage bullies (why the hell would you throw that into the argument you’d only know).

Responsible parents are responsible to/for their children and not to you and your ideas or anyone else’s.

Don’t think for a minute they have any other motive for having Chaz on except ratings.  Do they care about either Chaz’s mental well being or children’s?  No, they care about re-inventing themselves with a controversy and gaining viewers.  The bottom line $$$

The doctor never said wanting a sex change is contagious.  Television is a major time suck and crappy shows with crappy people are a sad fact of our world.   I would not let my kids watch this junk and would not let them watch Fox news either.

I grew up in a small town, and I never saw chickens being torn apart at a carnival by a wild man.
And I saw some crazy sh!t.go down.

Must be one tough town. Damn!

I live in a small town in rural Florida. I have a family member who is a case worker and a friend who was until recently. I have seen some bad shit through the years. I know what goes on. You are sheltered and naive. I am sorry I don’t live in an upscale community like you probably do. I live in a working class town. Much of my family is working class. No, many lower and working class people do not act this way. Many do. The same thing happens in the upper middle class, but it is hidden behind closed doors.

seek, you are absolutely and totally full of it. You are very naive. You are sheltered.

And for anyone wondering and stereotyping, 90 percent of the community I live in is White.

Your kids are not the world. Great, your children are not immersed in violence. Not all children are like yours. Pick up a sociology book, if you know what Sociology even is.

Lady, its a big, big, world. Lots of stuff goes on. you are bambi in the woods.

Would you make the same comment if the person were born with both sexes? As in genitalia? Where the Doctors have to make the decision as to whether this infant is a male or female!  Anomalies happen whether they are physically seen or not! If you have ever gone through and studied the development of a fetus in the womb you would know there is a very fine line of distinction when it comes to whether the unborn child becomes a female or a male after a certain point of conception. Not all of us are fortunate to have the precise distinction made before we are born!

there are a million of articles about violence and children in American society. I will start with this.

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-11-03/health/healthmag.violent.video.kids_1_violent-video-video-games-game-genres?_s=PM:HEALTH

You mean the courses I took for easy credits?  lol

Here’s a vid of Cher made up to look like a few dudes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agra1-mg7XI

“Quit with the boggles the mind.  It boggles yours, others deal with life
issues as they see fit and it’s really not your place or your right to
decree how they deal with issues they are not comfortable with”.

When someone in my neighborhood is beating their children, or totally neglecting them, it is my business.
When neighborhood bullies pick on other kids and threaten them, it is my business.
When someone in the neighborhood  beats up their girlfriend because dinner was not served soon enough, its my business.

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Where was this guy when Kim Kardasian and Kendra Wilkenson who both owe their fame to having sex tapes or maybe Bristol Palin who is the country’s most famous out-of-wedlock mother who was one of the final three contestants in the most recent cycle of DWTS?

Uh, wait a minute…John Money was the one who pathologized “Gender Identity Disorder” in the first place and thought that who one thought of oneself was was 100% socially determined, that there was nothing “inborn” about the situation at all…

Take the John/Joan case…he thought that, after the circumcision accident, that if he had the boy raised as a girl his whole life (and referred to as such), that there wouldn’t be an issue…well, at around 3 years old, the boy wasn’t wanting to play with girl-related toys or in a “girl-style” (less roughly and with dolls and the like)…it only got worse after that, and John (his real birth name was David, btw) ended up finding his actual situation out at about the age of 13 (if I recall correctly)…

Dunno how the DSM-V is going to go with GID, but it will be interesting to find out (and should find out in the next couple years, at most)

This is the last time I respond to you for a long long time. You are not worth my time.
Perhaps you have Aspergers. Take your meds if this is the case.

Did Cher beat Chaz?  What the hell are you ranting about?  You’ve now morphed this into a discussion on abusive behaviour – God knows why.

I’m done –  

Or any woman who has has plastic surgery.

The Chastity (Chaz) Bono issue is more proof to those Right Wing Christian Zealots, that Charles Darwin was correct all along.  This is nothing short of “natural selection,” the quintessence of evolution.

Mankind has now removed the slow process of change undergone in nature, and put such in his own possession, then sped up the process… Ouch!

Purveyor

In America, where people are free to do whatever they like to their bodies.

I’m so sorry that you hate freedom. Seems to be a constant theme with conservatives.

You know, it’s funny. People make the same arguments with fat people on TV, that it “promotes obesity.” I’m starting to see a lot of stark similarities between the anachronistic homophobic arguments of yesteryear and the anti-size arguments of today. Didn’t they used to think being gay or trans was a “choice,” too?

Huh.Interesting how the “rationale” behind one bigotry can interweave with another. Just helps bolster the position I take, that no matter who they are, those who subscribe to a bigoted position are nothing but fearful, paranoid cowards, and most often full of shit.

Not me. I don’t look up to Brisket Palin at all.

why? because you said so?

You just scared every Tepublican in Amerika.

Really? I think (s)he bears a huge resemblance to Chris Christie.

You have no problem with Chastity Bono’s evil choices?! SEEK IS A LIBERAL SLEEPER CELL! SEEK IS A LIBERAL! HEY, EVERYONE, SEEK IS A LIBERAL!!

I knew you were a lib. You carry the stink of TRAITOR. What makes a person so beautiful go down a path so… liberal?

maybe young kids are not mature enough to deal with grown-up things, and you get to decide nationman?

yeah like you get to decide what my kids are exposed too. As a parent i will decide when my child is mature enough to deal with certain subject matter

….Chaz is a walking freakshow….so is its mommy….

No matter where in her body, Chaz had chosen to krazy glued the private organ the Libs will STILL demand people to call her MALE… just because a salami is stuck to her body, right? or are we only calling her MALE while she wears the male custom? what if in the future she decides to go back to being woman again or better yet, she decides to become a MALE HOMOSEXUAL and she ends up pregnant, are we suppose to follow her in her DELUSIONAL JOURNEY?

GBLT contradictions…
1) if anyone quotes FREUD, who described sexual orientation as FLUID and shaped by the environment, specially at an early age, they will reply saying how old is FREUD, irrelevant, obsolete… YET…

2) GBLT wants to get into the minds of kiddies at an early age… K-12 classroom and FORCE EVEYONE to read GBLT literature, teach it is ok and explain how complex it is to understand how this happens in universities.

How conveniently HIPOCRITICAL.

GBLT contradictions…#2

1) GBLT like to say that their sexual orientation is because of the genes/chromosome, they were born that way, its in there in some convoluted, rare, complex way, but believe me, we GBLT can’t help it and to understand us… you need to read a book.

2) What about Pedophiles and Zoophiles, etc… are they NOT also born that way? in the uterus, in some complex way, that can’t be understood unless you read a book?

ohhh ahhhh … let change subject so…

1) GBLT will say that their sexuality is between adults and requires consent… changing the argument to a matter of consent and would like you to forget about the reason for their rights and liberties (they so zealously demand from everyone) is rooted at the fact that they were born that way… like the color of your eyes, skin… tis in the genes.2) BUT FORGET ABOUT PEDOPHILES or ZOOPHILES… they got no right and their orientation is inherently deviant… it is not genetic… it aint nothing like us GBLTs, we are ‘NORMAL’… they are an aberration, an abomination… put them away for life.Hipocrites… how convenient.

Yet, males who suffer from “low T” or testosterone are at increased risk for heart problems if left untreated.  Based on age, there are blood levels that are considered medically appropriate.  Those levels are taken from the male population at large.  I suspect only a physician who is an expert in this field could begin to accurately address this issue.

Actually, just watching DWTS is toxic — to everyone.

That’s not what they teach in centers of scientific learning.  Do you disregard all modern theory on human sexuality?  True, science can an does stumble from time to time but, do you really think their that far off?  The theory that human sexuality is formed very eary (by age three) is not a new idea.

WRONG!  Those Liberal Democrats who run the school on one side of street, make those decisions for you…

Then, the Right Wing Religious types across the street make their style of decisions for you…

Hmm, there has to be a solution?  But, you know how those self righteous types are? 

 ”Be reasonable, do it my way.”  Ouch!

Purveyor

My Latin is bad.  Is that phrase somewhere near loosen your mind (if you wish) from slavery?

Imagine that (unknown to you) your kid was transgendered or just troubled about the issue.  Is this the Dr you would want to take them to?  Seems like a recipe for tragedy.

Is it me, or is America more f’d up then ever before?  Who gives a damn if Chaz Bonno wants to dance?  Get over it.

Ultimately, I do think it’s a parents right, or possibly duty.  However, you can’t shield them forever and half the time they know (or at least think they do) already.  BTW, my folks sure thought so!

I thought it was pretty clear why bullying might have crossed N.F.’s mind earlier.

I could’nt even offer a suggestion on the Behar question.  It’s way beyond me.

Seek123, it’s only outta’ kindness that I have’nt mentioned my family.  N’s family really is’nt all that exotic.

If the child just asks why someone is ugly, why would you explain transexuals to them?  You only need answer what the child addresses and you as the parent can be as circumspect as you like in your answers.

Well, the people of the town were very nasty to her and called her a gypsy, and a tramp, and a thief.  It warped her.

You have to wonder if someone who had a problem in one of these areas came to him for treatment, what would he do (to) for them?  He offers no real practical solutions, only ridicule.  Probably, expensive ridicule, at that.

I liked the part about one dimensional cut-outs, wherever it falls on the political spectrum.

Yes, the man was awful.  He lied and faked documents on early studies on gender identity.  He insisted a male child who’s penis was literally cauterized away during a botched circumsion be raised as a female.  Then, he presented this person as a case study in succesful gender reassignment surgery.  Sadly, this person was desparately unhappy and committed suicide.  He did nothing to help this poor soul.

I assure you, I have never met Keith Ablow. I did google Keith Ablow along with pedophile and it did bring up a lot of hits.I hope Dr Keith Ablow does not fuck little kids.  That would not only be morally wrong, it would be illegal.

That took a bit of courage.  I’ve known two other transgendered people (that completed the surgery)  and they were both articulate, too.  They were both very sucessful and in the end I don’t think too many ever knew they had surgery.

Here we go again. Straight twits who think they know more about being gay than gays. Talk to me when you “choose” to be gay. 

Here we go again. Straight twits who think they know more about being gay than gays. Talk to me when you “choose” to be gay. 

I find it difficult to believe there are people who really think like this.  It’s truly baffling!

Love the Fox *experts*.  Reminds of the time they had on the Catholic *expert* Bill Donohue to discuss the morals of Lady Gaga two days after he published an article defending pedophile priests because their victims were active participants and mostly teenagers anyway.  That’s Fox! 

All you do is come here and bitch at and about the other posters.  You offer nothing but complaints all day long.  Please find some happiness in your life, some way … and just lay off people … just a little bit …. just for a little while.  Your misery is toxic.

It’s you.

It’s you.

Her sex chromosones are still XX so she is still a woman though a mutilated one.

“Toxic!”  I thought it was/is a Liberal plot.  Ouch!

Quote:  ”In America, where people are free to do whatever they like to do to their bodies,”

Your point is taken, however, morality is constantly legislated, and part of that legislation is what people can do “to their bodies?”

For instance, euthanasia (suicide) is illegal.  Abortion is controlled.  Ingesting various substances is controlled, etc.

The proverbial “zeit geist,” plays a big part on just what we are ‘allowed’ to do to ourselves.

Just something to think about.

Purveyor  (A man with definite libertarian inclinations)

My goodness Ellen, you sure have a chip on the old shoulder don’t you?   My misery is toxic?  What exactly does that mean Ellen?  That I stand up for people who are being slimed by you and yours?  That’s called backbone sweets.  Try it.  p.s.  your “snowbilly grifter” posts number in the 1,000’s and you’re calling someone else out?  

p.s. I’m not miserable, quite happy in fact, but thanks for caring.

If only your comment was true Ellen, if only…

Mind finding it and refreshing your memory?
(I’m toxic while you spread slime and smear people) lol

Responsible parents do care… the fact that you never had parents, or irresponsible ones at that, doesn’t mean that we can’t defend those ‘responsible ones’ who still are out there.

GBLT will be defending pedophile priests soon.. their tent will be a lot bigger… given that the APA will do with them EXACTLY what it did for the GBLTs…

http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/15/conference-aims-to-normalize-pedophilia/

tis a matter of time before GBLT becomes GBLTPZ (GBLT + Pedophiles and Zoophiles)…
Lets see, the APA pontificated in ’74 that homosexuality was not a pathology… hmmm and  in the early 2000s we got gay marriage… so ‘lets be prophetic and say” that by in 2040 we will see GBLTPZ rallying in D.C. demanding that marriage be changed from two persons to a person and a child OR a person and an animal….

HOW DARE WE JUDGE THEM!!! 

YOU XTIANS BIGOTS!   ROFLOL 

Donohue is not an employee for Fox. His opinions are his own. Focus.

I’m pretty sure parents know how to use the TV remote to change channels.

You’re comparing pedophiles with GBLT? Say it ain’t so.

Ouch!

The person who told you that fact about Freud was a psychologist correct? Freud was a pioneer in the field but hardly the final authority. Many studies have been done since his day. Someone offered you reason and facts, and you choose to hang on to ignorance and bigotry.

The real hypocrite is the person who claims to value the truth and reason, but consistently rejects it.
The need to diminish and demonize people who have done nothing to harm you or anyone is the true perversion, the true abomination.

Watching Chaz Bono isn’t necessarily toxic, but it is needlessly confusing. Chaz Bono is a woman, period. Insisting that she is a man is ridiculous and teaching this to your kids is not only confusing but flat out wrong. Being transgendered is a fallacy, it’s physically impossible. You may be a woman who likes other woman, you may be a woman who dresses like a man, and you may be a woman who wants to mutilate her vagina — as disgusting as that sounds. But you can’t be a woman who’s turned into a man. Chaz Bono claiming that she’s legally a man is just as stupid as if she tried to get legal recognition that she’s thin and tall.

While I see your point, your kids are not your personal property that you get to have complete control over. I admire parents who make responsible judgement calls about what their kids watch on TV and listen to on their iPods but once kids enter public schools believe me , you no longer have control over what they are exposed to.
I tend to think it’s dishonest scare tactics to think any explicit materials are trying to be introduced to little kids in school. I’m sure you’ve seen how people like to paint the entire group with the words or actions of the most extreme few.
You and I may have no idea how gay citizens have suffered at the hands of bigots just as we can’t really know what black Americans went through in the 60s. I think the intention is to make kids aware that gay couples exist and aren’t twisted evil perverts , but just people. Should there be interracial couples in books? How about Arab families to help teach diversity? Where is the line drawn?
What happens when you’re out with your 7year old and you see a gay couple in public? Are they hurting your kids simply by being themselves?

It’s not normal as in the norm, or average. I think the point is that neither gays nor transgender people should be demonized or ostracized as freaks simply because of who they are. Sometimes we’re not good at dealing with things we don’t understand and aren’t comfortable with.

Years ago I waited on a customer who had a form of tourette’s syndrome that caused him to twitch and stick his tongue out every couple of minutes. It was pretty obvious that it was a condition he couldn’t control. As we were talking he felt the need to explain it to me, mentioned he wasn’t being weird or gay. I told him I understood. Still , almost every time he did it, he said “I’m sorry” like a reflex action. I wondered what it was like to go through life having to apologize for who you are every couple of minutes. I wondered what kind of bullying and abuse he had dealt with to get to that place.

There’s a part of me that wonders if perhaps some parents might want to not have that conversation with their young children – liberal or conservative… Not sure. I am not a parent. And I don’t have any gay hangups and support gays. But I can see where it might be confusing to explain. 

But there is a point when I think the old adage *just because you can doesn’t mean you should* comes in to play with the whole scientific advancement capabilities. And I’m not just talking about transgendered operations, but multiple births (oxtamom), sperm banks, etc. Things are getting pretty confusing… You’ve got stories of 8 kids from 8 different moms or dads, all kinds of kids being born from sperm donors, people giving birth to multiple kids, Grandma’s giving birth to their grandchildren, Grannies having their own babies, men becoming women, women becoming men, women becoming men, marrying men who became women, and the women giving birth…. 

I’m just wondering what that’s going to do to the human race down the road. Things are getting a little crazy, no? 

I don’t know if it is a *real* condition – what do the experts say? There might be some psychological issues involved, I don’t know. 

I find Dancing With The Stars, transgenders and Ablow’s opinions on them all undeserving of the time you spent on them. I don’t see them as important in the grand scheme of things during these times. To me, they are a diversion to our progress. Just another small obstacle.

I find Dancing With The Stars, transgenders and Ablow’s opinions on them all undeserving of the time you spent on them. I don’t see them as important in the grand scheme of things during these times. To me, they are a diversion to our progress. Just another small obstacle.

@clever – post a picture of yourself so that we can critique you. For someone so obtuse it’s amazing that you manage to tell us so much about yourself in one, very short, sentence.

LOL!!!!!        Holy Smokes, that’s a great one. I tip my hat to you.

LOL!!!!!        Holy Smokes, that’s a great one. I tip my hat to you.

He/she is stupid!

He/she is stupid!

Normal isn’t just a “Lib” concept.

Normal isn’t just a “Lib” concept.

That pretty low Dude. Funny, But low.

I struck a nerve!

Yes, she made choices. And if you’ve ever heard her mother speak about The Gays you’d know test her choice to pretend to be straight (yet again) was to please her mother and her Christianist friends.

Hello Chaz!

LOL

I love how I make depraved libs like you cry, boy!

You know very well how it was. That’s your secret!

You are such a drama queen. make that just queen!

You are such a drama queen. make that just queen!

Wow- your theme song has to be “I’ve Got Plenty of Nothing.”

Wow- your theme song has to be “I’ve Got Plenty of Nothing.”

LOL

Try to come up with something original- you could make keys with your teeth!

LOL

Try to come up with something original- you could make keys with your teeth!

Because he had an addadicktome like you did!

Because he had an addadicktome like you did!

Because you are a pig!

You have slept with MJ!

You have slept with MJ.

Sure child- make more stuff up!

When are you getting your brain transplant?

“Each to his own”, as the woman said who kissed the cow.

Projection is often amusing……and then there’s your case.

not shield them forever, they do have to live in the real world, but i determine when they are mature enough. and by the why i want them to explore all information so they can make up their own mind. BTW you seem to have grown up fine….you are probably a nice person , 32 years with the same person, a pretty good role model

Ok Dan,

My argument is not if Freud was correct or not… my argument was not if Freud was a final authority… my argument is not to hang to anything Freud said…

My argument is that Freud believed that Homosexuality is fluid and shaped at an early age.  GBLTs LOVE to discredit Freud (as you just did) WHILE AT THE SAME TIME believing/accepting (BY YOUR ACTIONS) that childhood is when the person is most VULNERABLE so therefore GBLTs have to FORCE their CREED down the throat of ALL SOCIETY (GIVE THEM NO CHOICE) during K-12.  AND if anyone objects, TEACH IN UNIVERSITIES a complicated THEORY that explains how HOMOSEXUALITY is like the color of the skin or eyes… at the same time CONVENIENTLY DISTANT YOURSELF from other sexual orientations (PEDOPHILIA, ZOOPHILIA) where GBLT is seen as NORMAL and the others as PATHOLOGIES… HOW CONVINIENT INDEED.

Where in your post do you state any argument against what I have just said?

The FACT that it is a self-evident truth highlighting your double standards is what irritates you.

Well, that certainly maes things clearer. Thanks ever so much!

Well, that certainly maes things clearer. Thanks ever so much!

the fact that a parent ‘chooses’ to look the other way while a ‘murder’ is being committed doesnt acquit them from guilt…. that is why I began by saying “RESPONSIBLE” parents….

Unlike you, I believe in being truthful to your child at all times. I should not have to be circumspect because of an irresponsible television network.

You are  an uneducated, psuedo thinking jackass.  If it were 20 years ago, or even in another part of this backward bigoted country you would be arguing that gayness leads to child molestring–a very real sentiment held by many-an-ignorant American.  And franky, you are not qualified to make statements about the realness of transsexuality.  Who do you think you are making those kinds of assertions?  Have you ever even known a true ts person?  Have you extensively researched the subject matter?  What do you know about ts persons?  You should be laughed at.  And the only reason your stupid ass believes that homosexuality isn’t a choice is because of all of the very hard work and public education efforts that have gone on over the last 20 or so years–otherwise, idoits like you would be calling for the death of all gay people.  Ignorant.   

Brillant I tells ya. Just feaking Brillant as a broken light bulb.

Hey, genious, it’s not a discussion on sexual identity.  It’s about one’s gender identity.  Why are people in this country so fucking stupid?  And tell me, what credentials do you have that leads you to make such strog statements about gender or sex?  I’m betting you are not even close to educated on the matter and yet you come on here and pontificate about a subject I’m betting that you know virtually nothing about.  That’s definitely very strange. 

Unless you have something inteligent to say instead of writing insults “I’ve Got Plenty of Nothing.” would be your theme song. Why don’t you contribute and make some remarks that would be at least be somewhat interesting and insightful? Instead you choose to be a name calling cyber bully.  

To Alex Alvarez….

1. The law is a didactic tool.  If the law says that you should not kill.  It teaches that killing is bad. (BTW: I am not comparing GBLTs to murder, please… I am just making the ‘didactic tool’ point…)
2. Men is more of a mimicking animal than a distinct/unique one… in that it imitates what is put in front of him as choices -typical example of men with skirts in Scotland-… and the ENTIRE fashion/marketing industry depends on this FACT.
3. If society allows Chaz to be displayed in National TV, on a program where many would like to participate/admire and viewers deduce/believe that the reason Chaz is there is because she is FrankenChaz… You can be assured that many children with/without supervision will believe that 1) if she does it and is celebrated therefore is good and an option also for me  2) Individuals struggling with sexual confusion will be desensitized to the ‘obvious’/'self-evident’ SCANDAL that is to mutilate oneself, put on a custom, and deceive society into thinking they are something else… somehow, giving them a false hope that they can successfully deceive themselves and others… NOW THAT IS CRUELTY.

Chaz is the real victim of the GBLT agenda… and GBLT are the ones benefiting from this freak spectacle.

That episode alone should be renamed “Manipulated into Dancing For The GBLTs”

Snore!

“I struck a nerve!”……is this your favorite retort? More bully lingo.

It is shocking that a doctor would have such an ass backward, ignorant and pathetic view of a matter that the overwhelming and vast majority of the medical establishment clearly sees as an inborn, medical problem.  Period.  The problem is that this country is infantile and obsessive when it comes to any kind of issues having to do with sex or gender.  I think America needs to grow up and just realize that humanbeings are complex beyond most tiny minded undersandings.  And if you are going to come on a public forum and make statements about transsexuality, then first educate yourselves on that matter to some degree.  Reading some of these comments actually nauseated me…  

My God! Would you look at this spectacle? Between those two and Al Sharpton is not the right way to start the day off.

What is a white man to do?

right after your loo visit to upchuck your breakfast, perhaps you can point us to the article/articles where the “overwhelming and vast majority…” b.s. came from.

Honestly, it’s not a trip to the dentist and the only infantile comment is yours.  You are the one obsessed with it – most people just go about their business and believe in live and let live.

Now, get over yourself.  If you’re going to post on a public forum don’t denigrate other posters with your high faluting attitude and crap about vast.  It’s not a vast problem ejet

I agree.  The medical advancements have outpaced legal safeguards and long term studies of cause and effect.  Time will tell.  Granny having baby died because in order for Granny to have baby she was injected with hormones in massive amounts which at the moment medical science knows has extreme and dangerous side effects.  Didn’t stop Granny and there is a Motherless Child who will grow up and who knows how the Child’s health will be.  

I agree.  The medical advancements have outpaced legal safeguards and long term studies of cause and effect.  Time will tell.  Granny having baby died because in order for Granny to have baby she was injected with hormones in massive amounts which at the moment medical science knows has extreme and dangerous side effects.  Didn’t stop Granny and there is a Motherless Child who will grow up and who knows how the Child’s health will be.  

“human beings are complex beyond most tiny minded undersandings.”

And you are the broad minded, highly tolerant, adult, mature scholar that will lead us into the PONTIFICAL light of ‘YOUR’ wisdom…  gimme a break!

All you want to do is justify GBLTs, pedophiles, zoophiles, sex with any/everything but in a sophisticated, highly-complex way… that can only be understood IF… you read many books that I have just chosen for you where the truth ‘really’ lies… and we are the ones obsessed with sex?

one word… pathetic!

I repeat… No matter WHERE in “her” body, Chaz had “chosen” to krazy-glued the private organ in question, the Libs will STILL demand people to call her MALE… and ALL because a salami-shaped, foreign object, is now stuck to her body, right? 
Q1. Are we only calling her MALE while she wears the male custom?
Q2. What if in the future she decides to go back to being woman again?
Q3. Better yet, What if she decides to become a MALE HOMOSEXUAL?
Q4. What if she ends up pregnant.

Are we suppose to follow her in her DELUSIONAL JOURNEY, praising her, clapping behind the GBLT crowd, telling her “there is NOTHING wrong with you, believe US, YOU ARE SUCH A ROLE MODEL, Go Chaz Go”

hmmmm…. the level of delusion is reaching critical levels in society.

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’tis a sexual orientation… ask the APA (the GBLT’s beloved/owned institution)

http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/15/conference-aims-to-normalize-pedophilia/

what exactly is chaz doing? waving his genitalia on air? Do you get to decide what we put on public television cjd?

This white man doesnt worry….and doesn’t concern himself with other people’s business.  That’s what a white man is to do.

Ah ha. I see.

From my perspective, I see his point.  I was lucky enough to have a very close relationships with my dad, and have dated men who were good men who treated me well.  I also know friends who’ve been in abusive relationships and guess what? Their fathers were lousy men.  I don’t think its required, but definitely helps.  I think, also, the psychology studies (often used with twins raised in separate ways via adoption) backup a lot of what he says. Nothing is absolute, but clearly, transgender is an issue to be handled on an oprah show and probably not on DWTS,

either way I wish Chaz well.

From my perspective, I see his point.  I was lucky enough to have a very close relationships with my dad, and have dated men who were good men who treated me well.  I also know friends who’ve been in abusive relationships and guess what? Their fathers were lousy men.  I don’t think its required, but definitely helps.  I think, also, the psychology studies (often used with twins raised in separate ways via adoption) backup a lot of what he says. Nothing is absolute, but clearly, transgender is an issue to be handled on an oprah show and probably not on DWTS,

either way I wish Chaz well.

good post.  Regardless of if transgender is a medical or psychological issue, seems like it is clearly something awful for the person and compassion is required regardless.  

Mr Phil, why are you expending so much of your time and energy on this non-issue? 
Maybe you’re the one who’s “obsessed with sex”.  Pathetic indeed.

no, but i do say what my kids watch

Twenty bucks says you’re a three-times-a-day wanker.  Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

idem… my friend… idem

“…and from the mouth comes what’s on your heart…” by someone more famous than you.

Who cares?

That is called REAPING The fruits of pushing for Relativism in society…

That is called REAPING The fruits of pushing for Relativism in society…

Sure DannyBoy.. the kids belong to the GBLT (now showing pedophile symptoms)… and BTW to equate gays to black American logically implies that also Pedophile perverts may have rights… for if what you are saying is true, they are also suffering at the hands, not only of bigots like xtians, but bigots like LGBTs…  and “Do you have any idea of what they are suffering?” kind-of-reasoning.

You are correct.  The world it is a changing.  We all know that gays and transgenered people have always existed.  Thank goodnesss that they can be “out of the closet” finally and able to have some level of exceptance.  People fear what they don’t know.  Instead of learning what it is all about it is just easier for people to hate. If you don’t want to take the time to try and understand then don’t post nasty remarks about something you know nothing about.

I am proud of the people like Chaz that have the guts to put themselves out there for all the haters.  Takes more guts then those of you who use this forum to spread your hatred. 

Ultimately, who cares? Dancing with the D-List Stars is the worst show on television anyway, just pablum for brain-dead TV viewers. We need more intellectual shows…revive Magnum P.I.! 

Sara the world it is a changing.  Time to get onboard.  Change is difficult for some people.  Try to catch-up.

Thank God, he doesn’t look like big Ed
Schultz

I totally agree with you on this example.  Let’s face it there will always be people who want to push the envelope.  Thankfully they are usually the exception not the rule. I wonder why doctors would allow someone to do this.  But then again for every person that wants there is probably a strange doctor out there that will help. 

Nature vs. nurture might never be proven but, take it from, being gay is not a choice.  And children do have a certain level of cognizance before they reach puberty.  I know about both things because I was born gay and I’ve known that I was gay since I was 4 years old.  Of course at that age I didn’t know anything other than that I was attracted to boys and not girls, but it was very obvious to me that this was the case.  As I grew older and realized that most liked girls I knew that there would be choices ahead: I could choose to live an honest and open life, or I could choose to hide my true nature to please family, friends and society.  I did not choose the latter.

Interestingly and very much on topic, I saw an episode of Phil Donahue the summer before I stared grade seven where he was interviewing male-to-female transsexuals.  They described they always knew they were different and that they liked men (not always the case – many transition to women and are still attracted to women)…and that was it.  I started to save my allowance so that I could have a sex change.  I saved up for a few months and then, luckily, I stumbled upon a magazine that showed me in fully living color that there were men who liked men.  Gay men.  I immediately went out and spent my saved allowance money on a new bike and stopped worrying about becoming a woman.  How exhilarating!  So I’m living proof that Ablow is making much ado about nothing.  So much for the ‘Fair & Balanced” slogan for Fox News. 

Perhaps his name is spelled incorrectly.  Could it be “I Blow?”  This man is a psychiatrist?  From which school did he graduate?  Does Walmart have a college?  I cannot believe an educated person could
write such drivel.  Have I spelled it correctly? Or is it Walllmart?  

I agree with Dr Ablow, ABC should not have invited this person to be on the show.  Too Much!! Her mother is wierd & has always been, she is the reason for this mistake.  If I had small children and loved the show, we would not be watching this season.  These Networks are always pushing the button to get more outrageous, is it no wonder they have bad ratings.  Get to the sponsors folks,  money talks!!

Not everyone who has Plastic surgery mutilates themselves.

There is nothing logical about your post. Pedophiles get punished for a crime they commit against children who can’t give consent. There is no logical comparison or implication so your post is BS.

The prejudice agasint blacks or anyone because of race, religion or skin color, can be logically compared to the prejudice agasint gays because in most cases it’s on people who have done nothing at all wrong.

I think his dancing partner should be his mom!

Two really big “stars” for the price of one.

Of course, I’ve never seen the show and don’t intend to start watching it now.

Ah……O.K. …..Chief.

It can DEFINITELY be compared to race ONLY, AND ONLY IF homosexuality IS GENETIC, like race, skin color, etc… but if that is the case, WHO IS TO SAY THAT PEDOPHILIA is not ALSO GENETIC?  YOU? Dont make me laugh.  I am sure there are plenty pedophiles that are passive, honest, hard workers, etc… are you SAYING that they are CRIMINALS? only because of this inclination? how about necrophilia? we should also criminalize them… no freedoms nor rights nor liberties for them… ONLY FOR THE LGBT crowd… I believe that is called a double standard and by your own definition you are ALSO A BIGOT.

You can’t have both homosexuality = normal and pedophilia = mental disorder… both are sexual inclinations… either both are normal or both are disorders.

The following are my suggestions for a partner for Chaz… other than her mom…
- Frankenstein
- Ms. Potato Head
- Jabba the Hut
- Michael Jackson
- Zsa Zsa Gabor

Only someone with a twisted mind thinks of pedophiles, zoophiles and sex with with any/everything when they think of GBLTs.  Take responsibility for your sick mind and quit trying to remove yourself from your own thoughts by projecting them on to others.

Another day, another ignorant, right wing hate fest. 

If Chaz wants to dance, let Chaz dance. If ya don’t want to watch Chaz dance, get off your ass and do something else… like go dancing… with the partner of your choice.

It’s really that simple. 

It’s a shame people like you have children to pass your homophobia onto.  Hopefully they will evolve beyond your bigoted thinking.

You did not know you were attracted to boys at age 4. It is biologically impossible to be attracted to the same sex at age 4. Every child prefers members of their own sex when they are young. That has to do with socialization, not sexual attraction. Guess what? I only played with girls when I was 4 years old because boys had cooties. That doesn’t mean I was sexually attracted to them. When I was a preteen, I preferred playing sports with boys instead of dolls with girls. That doesn’t mean I was a transexual. However, once I reached puberty I didn’t want to play sports with boys because I liked sports. I wanted to hang out with boys because I liked boys…and I lost interest in sports.

I’m not trying to discount what your childhood was like and how you associated a preference to boys at age 4 because I am not gay and don’t know what that is like. I am just saying that your desire to be around the same sex at a young age is the same as heterosexuals. It is not an indicator of being gay.

And your example of the Donahue show illustrates the point I am making. Puberty starts for most kids around age 11 or 12. That would have been the time you would have started having sexual desires for one sex or the other. If you are gay, I’m not surprised that was the age that you discovered who you were and weren’t attracted to.

IT IS THE KIDS !

I despiise Murdoch and Ailes’ FNC — but, agree with Dr. Keith Albow about M? Bono. Children have a diffcult enough time with sexualty and gender roles. Now add Chaz on network TV — can be really confusing to youngsters.

I do believe in ‘civil unions’ for adult gays — but not marriage. All legal rights should be given to them — but, giving the word “marriage” as well, has the capacity to make kids from K to… adults difficulties about a sensitive subject to begin with from youth through adulthood.

Most persons in favor of gay marriage and publicity for ‘trans-gender’ folks mentioned above are trying to be ‘hip’ and sophisticated and are bowing to peer pressure.

not that it should matter, but I have a Master in Developmental Psychology. So I do know some about human development.

And how to spell genius.

Chaz, good luck. I hope you go really far in the contest, just so I can see the head of  Ablow explode.

I do believe in ‘civil unions’ for adult gays — but not marriage.

Separate and not equal.

It’s toxic because whatever this “thing” is it hates itself and we’re trying to pass it off as apple pie and just another day at the Nelsons. Right and wrong, success and failure are very real concepts.

sure, and in this case if you’re stopping them from watching dancing with stars because chaz bono is merely existing on it, you’re in the wrong. not gonna stop you from doing it, I just think you’re wrong.

you think the transgender  issue will not be brought up on DWTS, really. i decide what age sex education and sexual topics my kids are mature enough and old enough to handle…….there is nothing wrong in that, if you disagree raise your kids the way you see fit

I’m not sure Ablow’s comments are worthy of analysis. He’s a garden-variety freak (all mouth and no brains) of the type that crawls all over Fox headquarters.

You could Google his picture so that if, unfortunately, you ever encountered him on the street you could take the time to spit in his face. Otherwise let him fester in the dumpster where they keep these creeps between cage matches.

Trying to be ‘hip?’ I suppose, if you buy the notion that ‘true love’ and ‘commitment’ are ‘cool.’ (Which they are.)

You know what else is cool? Justice.

That’s OK, kiddo. Some day you’ll grow out of it and join the human race.

A warning though. Reading the more troglodytic posts on this site will stunt your growth.

Note Ritan says “if” s/he had small children. There’s a small chance that “this person” hasn’t reproduced yet and the world will be spared another generation of microcephalic misanthropy.

Well you’re a sick little puppy, aren’t you?

I have a simple answer which is nevertheless probably beyond you. If the person considers himself male and behaves that way, you treat him as male.

My strong recommendation? Don’t go around sticking your hands in people’s pants to determine their sex (unless invited to do so).

Do your keepers know that you’ve gotten out of the ward again and are playing with the nurses’ workstation?

“Live and let live,” like the vicious posters on this site all but calling for Bono’s public stoning? That type of “live and let live?”

I get it — you’re one of Michele Bachmann’s speechwriters here to float some trial balloons!

“If the person considers himself male and behaves that way, you treat him as male.”
Don’t you think that is what goes on on asylums?  hmmm… So you think you are Napoleon… eh?… ok… there is NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU… you are OK… she/he is OK… we are all ok…

I repeat… the level of delusion is creepy.

While I reject most of your post, there is a critical issue at its heart: how do you define “ethical” in a world where medical technology advances so quickly?

Most of what you’ve listed, IMO, falls into the category of None of Your Business (or mine, for that matter). For me the principle would be: no medical procedure can be performed that would result in an individual with less than full personhood. No patentable organisms with human DNA, no clones grown solely so their organs can be harvested, etc., etc.

Gender reassignment surgery and sperm banks? Don’t even make the question list.

Jocko, you’ve come down with absolute certainty on issues over which you have no ownership.

Don’t want to watch Bono dance? Don’t watch. But don’t pretend that your opinion of his/her sex or gender matters even a minuscule amount, because it doesn’t.

Ahh, if the world were as simple as you.

Which is why one needs to keep in mind that “gender” is a sociological term while “sex” is a biological one. Chaz sees his gender as male regardless of his sex, and as civilized human beings, we should not be going out of our way to make living with that any more difficult than it’s likely to be already.

In other words… 
No matter WHERE in “her” body, Chaz had “chosen” to stitch the “made-in-china” object in question, the Libs will STILL demand people to call her MALE… and ALL because a sofisticated plastic object, is now stuck to her body, right?… ain’t that pathologically superficial?
Q1. Should we only calling her MALE while she wears the male custom?Q2. What do we call her when she is NOT wearing it?Q3. What if in the future she “feels-like” becoming the first she-he to be pregnant? (you know for ratings and fame and glory and to piss of the xtians) what do we call her/him/it then?In short, can a GBLT asnwer the following question PLEASE…. Are we suppose to follow her in her DELUSIONAL JOURNEY, praising her, clapping behind her ‘minority’ crowds, telling her “there is NOTHING wrong with you Chaz”, “YOU ARE SUCH A ROLE MODEL”, “Go Chaz Go”, “Dance for us”????gee…. I never thought I’d see the day…

I’ve been trying to guess whether you’re intoxicated, terminally ignorant, or sociopathic, and I’ve settled on “yes” as the most likely answer.

I really don’t get it… I have no ill feelings for Chaz… I do not care what she does with herself… we are FREE here in the US of A… unlike China… and thank God we get to do anything we want… but the question Chaz raises on me is:

why would Chaz mom let her go and dance in front of so many people (probably even world wide if the video makes it to youtube) who would probably laugh at her or us Americans??? I don’t think that her mom cares much for her.  If Chaz were my child, I’d never let her on TV, for her own sake… I don’t care how much they are paying her.  Perhaps you are right and when I grow up I’ll understand… but right now, I confess… the whole thing is creepy.

… and don’t worry… I make up MY OWN MIND… no one brainwashes me.

What a pile of ignorant nonsense. Why don’t you make the claim that the legalization of interracial marriage in 1967 is what led us to the legalization of gay marriage in recent years? It’s easily just as logical and the BS you’re spouting now, You won’t because such an act would only clarify your bigotry and the blatant abuse of reason and logic. 

What a pile of ignorant nonsense. Why don’t you make the claim that the legalization of interracial marriage in 1967 is what led us to the legalization of gay marriage in recent years? It’s easily just as logical and the BS you’re spouting now, You won’t because such an act would only clarify your bigotry and the blatant abuse of reason and logic. 

My argument is not if Freud was correct or not… my argument was not if
Freud was a final authority… my argument is not to hang to anything
Freud said…

That seems much different than your posts in the other thread but I won’t waste time looking for them. Let’s say you’ve admitted that you you can’t claim Freud was correct, or any kind of authority.

The very relevant point made to you in the other thread by a trained professional is that many studies have been done since Freud so your citing of a theory that is decades old to try and prove anything is fairly ridiculous. Freud isn’t discredited by the GBLT community. He’s discredited by decades of further study by professionals in his field. Your continued use of his outdated theories discredits you and your ridiculous theory. You have idle speculation grounded on bigotry rather than facts. If you’re assuming that you can spout any groundless foolishness that fits your preferred bias and then it is somehow incumbent on others to prove you wrong you are very much mistaken. Nobody has any reason to even entertain your BS until you can provide some credible evidence to support it. That is especially true when study after study indicates you completely wrong.

The FACT that it is a self-evident truth highlighting your double standards is what irritates you.

what fact? what self evident truth? You think just asserting some BS repeatedly makes it true? Not even close. You can spew your crap at every opportunity but people who actually value things like facts and reason will recognize the glaring difference between what you pretend to be facts and reason and the real thing. You can’t adamantly refuse to consider much more current studies , quote Freud, and have reasonable people take that nonsense seriously.

Is this pretend logic just a shield for what is essentially just your clinging to religious tradition?

Here’s the problem as I see it. According to you, Bono is a freak who needs to be protected from exposure. However, from my point of view — and based on what I’ve read — despite having gone through changes that most of us could never understand, he’s figured out what he needs to do to live the life that’s right for him.

No protection required, no hiding behind Mom’s (rather skimpy) skirts.

Does Bono have a classic dancer’s body? Who cares? While I don’t watch the show often, I’ve seen stumblefooted “celebrities” end up looking pretty darn good by the end of the show. Maybe the same will happen for Bono. He’s certainly got show biz in his genes (regardless of whether they’re XX or XY).

The point is, while you may think he’s a freak, Bono clearly doesn’t agree. I’d go with his evaluation and not yours. And I’d ask you to look inside yourself and ask whether you even have the right to consign someone you don’t even know to freakdom.

Come up with the right answer there, and you’ll have joined the human race.

Dr. Ablow has a job… you instead crawl on these forums cause you are a loser.  Losers without a job, plus evidently gay, a combination for extra bitter hatredness.

Well, now that I’ve gotten the “straight” skinny from you, Doc, I feel I know myself so much better.

One bad scientist doesn’t make all science bad. I’m not sure what you’re getting at here.

Every time I think the concept of “jackass” has been authoritatively defined, I run across one of your posts and discover that there’s a whole other level of jackassery never previously imagined.

And?

Consider the source, it’s Fox News, what would you expect, thoughtfulness, respect,?

No sh*t? Gee, perhaps that’s why I listed a slew of medical advancements that show the world is changing….  My point was, just because we can, should we? 

As expat blogger said, these things are perfectly fine for him, but he draws the line at cloning, harvesting, etc. Well, why stop there? His moral line stops there, but perhaps for others it is drawn earlier…. 

He said no procedure should be performed that results in an individual with less than full personhood. Well, what is the woman who became a man, but kept her womb so she could have children?

what exactly do you reject? 

I just noticed that abc addressed the issue, and how to discuss Chaz with your kids…

Long before Chaz Bono joined the cast of “Dancing With the Stars,” his headline-grabbing female-to-male gender transition prompted parents to ask, “What do we say to our kids?” I reached out to gender expert Michelle Angello, who has a doctorate in human sexuality, and here was her advice.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/lifestyle/2011/09/talking-to-your-kids-about-chaz-bono/

Wow, after ALLLLLLLLL the insults you’ve made about Christie, you compare Chaz to him? 

Do you find Chaz’s morbid obesity revolting, as well? 

Not that there is anything wrong with being inherently sick… 

My question is… is deciding for oneself what I want to do because “I feels like it” always true? irregardless of what people may think?  am I not to consider also what people think?

I had a friend that was so “normal” and all, and then all of a sudden he went Jesus-Freak… now he wants to be a priest, goes on pilgrimages, etc… no matter what we said to him, a nice looking kid, he didn’t care what people think of him… we lost him.

it is this movement off mainstream that worries me about Chaz… she, like my friend, must be going through a lonely period and the subjection to ridicule must be brutal and like a torture.

Hey but if that floats your boat, who am I to judge… live and let live… huh?

And you sir are NO Dr. Phil. 

For goodness sake grow up.

Sometimes moms have to let their children live their own lives and learn for themselves.

Would it have been OK with you righties if this child had been oborted?  Afterall it sounds as if you don’t want to accept him for what he is.  Typical righties reasoning.  Have the child but please hide him for life.  Sounds rather old fashioned to me.  Besides I thought we were to live and let live according to most of you. 

And you are sure of what you say?

Maybe Chaz was one of those tomboys.  Remeber them?  They were girls that acted like boys.  How do you know that they arn’t actually boys in a girls body.  You Don’t.  I remember little boys that wanted to be ballet dancers.  OMG they were freaks according to most people.  Some of them grew out of it some didn’t.  Today there are free to live as they feel not as how they were born.  Not an easy choice.  No one would put themselves through that if it was not truly how they felt. 

Don’t judge what you don’t know.

This he/she creature is a hideous joke on humanity.  Look at it and it’s mother standing there.  Two freaks with not much left of what nature gave each of them.  If you don’t like the natural world, then leave it..both of you!

…even if they see their ‘own’ child suffer?

dont you have something better to do… Oh am sorry… you got no job, you are a burden on society, you probably ALSO need those entitlement programs to sustain you “lifestile”…

them dang bugs!

Righties only “live and let live” when it comes to tax rates, blue blogger

Pretty much, Phil, in a free society one needs to respect others…who knew

Makes wonder why you are here, Phil?  Maybe you have a little bit from projection about your own job loss, etc?

when are they going to bring it up? is chaz going to be shouting it from the rooftops or something? If so, then personally i wouldn’t want children watching the show either.

What a nut.  Tell your kids not to watch DWS anyway, since it is stupid, mind-numbing fluff.  Let your kids watch that and someday the will grow up to be conservatives.  Give ‘em a book and let them lean

You are incorrect. There are other logical ways to make the comparison without any certainty it’s genetic. But ftr; although many studies have concluded that it’s not entirely genetic but a combination of factors, they’ve also concluded that it’s not a choice , which is the lie often repeated by church groups who claim to worship the truth.
The obvious comparison is people , just trying to be themselves, doing no harm to others, being persecuted for something they have no control over. If you’re interested in another POV then watch “The Bible Tells Me So”  It’s a documentary looking at the lives of real people who have been emotionally tortured and torn apart but the generations of religious teaching that being gay is sick, perverted, and an abomination. In it there are parents who , after their children come out to them, make the effort to do the research and understand , rather than simply disown their kids. 
Gays have been forced into hiding for a long time , at times hiding from themselves, and what disturbs a lot of people now is that they and those who care about them as human beings, are not willing to hide and be denied any longer. Ever hear, “I don’t care what they do in private, but they don’t have to flaunt it”
Nothing based on rational thought or an effort to understand but just a knee jerk reaction based on emotions and generations of false religious programing. Sounds a lot like, “I have no problem with black people , as long as they know their place” doesn’t it? Look up the arguments made agasint interraical marriage in the 60s and the ones made now against SSM. Almost identical, and just as wrong.

If you’re attempting to use a slippery slope argument about homosexuality and pedophilia it’s not going to work. I see no reason to even mention it in the same discussion since almost all pedophiles are straight.
If I understand it correctly the argument is , if we accept homosexuality as okay now, and they are recognized as a minority that deserves equal rights, then later the liberals will want us to recognize pedophiles in the same way and Zoophiles as well. It’s nonsense, because of the incredibly significant issue of consent which has been a key factor in our legal system.

You can’t have both homosexuality = normal and pedophilia = mental
disorder… both are sexual inclinations… either both are normal or
both are disorders.

There’s no logic or science to that statement. It’s an opinion based on nothing.
Just for the sake of argument let’s say attraction to adolescent children is also some combination of genetics and other things. The issue of consent remains. OTOH, gays do not harm anyone in having relationships with consenting adults of their own gender. Pedophilia , when acted upon, harms someone else who by law is too young for consent. That happens to make it rape, which is a serious crime for adults as well. According to what I read there can be and probably are people who feel the attraction but never act on it. It’s the act that takes it from inclination to a serious crime.  I call BS on your double standard nonsense. I never said or implied anything like that.

“Toxic to children”? How about the rest of us!!

this so called ‘society’ sure don’t respect you if you say that Chaz is not male… which on top of being a TRUE, FACTUAL statement, it also highlight the FACT that with that reasoning pedophile, necrophile, zoophiles are also worthy of respect.

am retired and enjoying every penny that comes from you paying taxes…

yep the jerk “wrote” a book with uncle Glenn

What an ignorant response.  Perhaps we just call you dictator and you can decide for everyone?

Somehow, I doubt you approved of Chas when he a lesbian, either. 

Anyone and Everyone who wishes to be recognized as, above
average intelligence and a righteous person, need only remember, “It is not
what happens to us that hurts, it is how we feel about what happens to us that
either does or does not hurt”, like all important things in life, it is the
Almighty important decision of CHOICE. It’s your choice to be happy, your
choice to be hurt. Live and let live is the best choice, so long as someone is
not hurting your life more than You can tolerate. Tolerance is a virtue
reaching as far as being a life saver. You have a Free Will and Choices; life
doesn’t get any better than that. Grab it and run with it. Know when You are
well off.

It will be polluting the eyesight of everyone watching… where is the ELF when you need them…

please do enlighten me as for the difference between a pedophile, necrophile, zoophile and the GBLT crowd?

sexual orientation, inclination, preference is genetic… remember, you are born that way… Or you conviniently forgot that is your argument for EXACTING AND DEMANDING freedom, right and liberties from the population at large?

Who is the bigoted genius that will DARE SAY that an inclination of one sort is MORALLY RIGHT and of another sort is not… or one is TRULY genetic and the other is just FREAKY… well, please do explain to us ignorants.

But if I catch you trying to pull a wool over our eyes… dont go calling me bigot.

Go to bed, old man.

1. Your way of thinking implies that everyone is living on their own island… which is the opposite of a society… right there, should make you reconsider your statement…

2. Marketing and Fashion all depend on the TRUTH that man is a mimic animal… that is that a child is influenced by the agents of socialization that surround him/her…. what you see on TV is what you would like to do, have, aspire, admire, etc for yourself.

3. Relativism is a fallacy… because it denies itself (given that there is no truth)… either there is truth or not… Relativism cannot proclaim to be the ultimate truth when that truth itself denies absolute truths.

You cannot exalt the virtue of Tolerance being a relativist… you have to have a moral foundation that is anything but relativism… it would be irrational to make such a statement… i.e. at the same time you say you are tolerant, you do not ‘tolerate’ anyone that do not believe that tolerance is a virtue.

i.e. GBLT like to say that the “absolute” TRUTH of GBLT sexual orientation is genetic, intrinsic, “we are born this way”.
well, Pedophiles, necrophiles, zoophiles and any other deviant sexuality, using the same reasoning, can justify themselves as well… or we ‘risk’ PONTIFICATING that MAGICALLY one orientation is more NORMAL, ACCEPTABLE, mainstream, than the other… EXACTLY what GBLT accuse heterosexuals of… bigotry.

and I am not comparing GBLT to ACTIVE pedophiles — those who are criminals — I am comparing them with those who can’t help themselves, to the point that they even RISK getting into jail dating on-line minors…

Using the same GBLT reasoning… should we not be understanding? compassionate? tolerant? just/righteous? towards them… what makes GBLT so ‘special’?

What an inconvenient truth eh?

exactly… you have no rational foundation.

ha… what an inconvenient truth… and I welcome any bigotry insult coming from the ‘planet’ you come from.

evidently… from the length of your answer you do a good job entertaining ‘so-called’ BS…

Dan… There is nothing religious about any comment that I have made.  It is rational, specific, to the point and I leave the door open for you to contradict me using rational/logical arguments… and I am ACCEPTING the premise that GBLT is normal … yet your answers so far have been: insults, deflecting the argument, pointing to studies (which I do not need to read because I use your TRUTH that “GBLT is normal” as a premise to my argument)… etc.

I accuse you of using double standards when it comes to sexual orientation between GBLT and Pedophiles and you say what?  what makes GBLT so special? what religious-like belief system can explain at a subatomic/molecular level that one sexual attraction is different from the other.  If you can justify it for a DNA tested woman (chaz), that is inclined to be a MAN, why leave behind the pedophiles… and I don’t mean the criminals… I mean the passive ones… many politicians, many parents, priests, etc… are they less human than GBLTs?  aren’t you also a bigot towards them?

“Go to bed, old man”

Dr. Phil is busy today. Later this afternoon, he will be cruising a few local “glory holes” so he can “meet” other closeted men..

I wish I was joking.

I actually to a certain degree feel sorry for Dr. Phil. I imagine the inner turmoil he faces over his own sexuality must tear him apart. No one can lead a happy life with the amount of self hatred Dr. Phil has. Dr. Phil is the walking wounded. He is a true casualty of bigotry. Denial can kill ones soul.

As annoying and bigoted as Phil is, I have to feel some compassion for the guy. 

Sad.

Check out this site Dr. Phil
Dr. Phil, you can still be GLBT and be a Christian.
Dr. Phil, It is obvious you have inner turmoil over your own sexuality and perhaps gender as well. Have some compassion for yourself and check out this site with an open mind.
http://gaychristian.net/
There are other similar sites online that support Christians who are GLBT. Again, one can be Gay and still be a Christian.

Dr. Phil, you may have some inner peace for once if you can accept yourself and your own feelings.

Why are you on this forum? Is this forum a way for Dr. Phil to spend some time while he is waiting for his gay porn to download?

The real Dr. Phil should have this Dr. Phil on as a guest.

I would watch it! I imagine the show’s theme would have something to do with repression and being closeted.

Your real name wouldn’t happen to be Larry Craig?

Bob Allen?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Allen

Please… slowly so that a moron like myself can understand it… (in pseudo computer language)

DECLARING VARIABLES
  Pedophile = not the criminal kind, but those as you said it best
                    “who have been emotionally tortured and torn apart
                     but the generations of religious and GBLTs teaching
                     that being a PEDOPHILE is sick, perverted, and an abomination.”

IF  
     GBLT is as you say: “not a choice”
THEN
     why Pedophilia IS a choice? or What makes you certain it is not ALSO “not a choice”?

I can LIST the names of MANY contemporaneous celebrities, politicians, citizens, priests who exhibit this inclination… Please make sure that you answer to me the following:

ARE THEY AN ABERRATION? ARE THEY NORMAL? ARE THEY SICK? IS THEIR INCLINATION A PATHOLOGY?… don’t avoid the question, don’t deflect… or else you risk to appear as having no rational foundation.

Your retirement would be happier if you could accept yourself for what you are. Self loathing is not the way to spend ones final decades.

“Another day, another ignorant, right wing hate fest.”

Darklady, this happens a lot at Mediaite regarding GLBT issues. That’s why people here really need to speak out against bigotry. If you shine the flashlight long enough at bigots and haters they will eventually scatter like cockroaches.

Some of them may even open their minds for once.

I doubt most of the haters and bigots here even know how to dance. They are way to repressed to even try.

Don’t need to… absolutely you can be Gay and be a Christian… but a Christian Gay would condemn the sin and would look at it as a cross… just as for some people to be short is a cross… or being an alcoholic is a cross… or being born in a 3rd world country is a cross… etc… 

Question for you: Can a Christian love a Gay person and hate their sin?

My feelings go out for the thousands that are misinformed, deceived, misled, cheated and betrayed by the GBLT delusional philosophy… or so that you can understand it: the GBLT LIES…

If you don’t like what I believe… practice what you preach… live and let live… I definitely do not live by that because I am rational and understand that we live in a society where if we ALL decide to let the nuts out of the madhouse, it has consequences on ALL OF US.

Sometimes it stunts my soul.

A long walk or hike afterwards sometimes helps. An adult beverage perhaps if the walk fails

“Chaz were my child, I’d never let her on TV, for her own sake.”

Chaz is an adult. He can do what he wants. This is how it works in America. He does not have to obey his mom.

And Chaz is in his 40′s.

Hard for Cher to ground Chaz at this point.

“from the mouth comes what is in your heart”… quote from someone more important than you.

I respect anyone, no matter how much they weigh or what they look like, who has the courage to dance in front of large amounts of people. It takes self confidence.

More power to Chaz!

There is also the chance they someday open their mind.

Hope springs eternal!

Dr. Phil spend time and energy on this issue because he has these “issues’ himself. Perhaps by coming on this forum, he tries to prove to himself that he is a heterosexual/ a “man”.

Dr. Phil would be a lot happier if he came to terms with his own true sexuality. Repression eats you alive.

Dr Phil may deep down be a woman. Phil may deal with what Chaz goes through. Dr. Phil may even be  jealous and envious of Chaz.

I am quite serious.

Only if he can’t find a glory hole.

His passport and drivers license says he is a man.

So did a court of law.

Bigoted ignorant troglodytes like you are clueless.

If you ever decide to get a sex change Tony, at least I will not belittle you. I will respect your choice and recognize you as a woman. Despite what you said in the past.

Sometimes people are bothered by what they see in themselves.

Dr. Phil, I am talking about you specifically.

Obviously you have problems with your own feelings.

Your denial will kill your soul.

There is help out there. Many deal with what you go through. Including people I know personally.

I can read you like a book, Dr. Phil. I actually feel bad for you. It
doesn’t have to be this way. You can accept yourself for what you are.
There are many who have travelled the same road as youdo.

Dr. Phil, I am talking about you specifically.

Obviously you have problems with your own feelings.

Your denial will kill your soul.

There is help out there. Many deal with what you go through. Including people I know personally.

I can read you like a book, Dr. Phil. I actually feel bad for you. It

doesn’t have to be this way. You can accept yourself for what you are.

Don’t trouble yourself my son… do not worry about me… I got enough years of enjoying this wonderful life.  You on the other hand, you seem confused enough.  You cant even answer a straight question; a clear symptom of denial and delusion… ask any psychologist.  Bet you can’t even look straight into my eyes for more than a sec… besides it goes against reason to listen to someone that calls himself a Freak?  Mr. Freak.

More likely, now that Mr. Bono has had his transgender surgery, he is happy with himself and doesn’t hate himself.

Is it really so difficult for you to understand transgenderism?  What do you make of intersexed people.  That is people born with both sets of genitals?  Although very rare, such people do exist.  In the past such people would be assigned a gender by the doctor and/or the parents only to grow up feeling like they were the wrong gender.  We all start out the same way as a fertilized egg that starts dividing.  Only later do we start to develop sexual characteristics.  Is it hard to imagine that maybe the part of us that tells us which gender we are is separate from the genitals?  And that in some people there is a mismatch of the two parts?

in response to Alex Alvarez…

“If you, reader, believe that transgenderism does not exist as a valid condition, do you also believe that the impulse to switch gender is, as Dr. Ablow suggests, “contagious?” Do you share his fear for young kids exposed to transgendered individuals? Did you find his editorial right on the mark? Do you find it unprofessional? Let me know.”
Lets assume the Transg. is a valid condition… to the Q. Is the impulse to switch gender “contagious”?  This question is borderline childish because the answer is obvious.  Behavior is contagious… man is a mimetic animal… Fashion, Marketing, Politics all use this FACT to either sell, shape or influence the “market”/population.  That is why GBLT activists are forcing in NYC K-12 children to read books where there are GBLT role models or that the GBLT lifestyle is at least an option.
So the answer to the fear of young kids being exposed is a valid one.
NOW is it a professional work or not? that is another matter…

I say so because in 1974, ever since the GBLT activists “led the Board of Directors of the American Psychiatric Association to pontificate/remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)” it is regarded as offensive, distasteful, forbidden or taboo to even hint to the contrary… No ‘career’ psychologist that is seeking approval from the APA would dare touch that subject.  In this case given the immense influence/pressure of the APA on the psychologists community… I guess not many will “publicly” support/agree with him or say that his work is ‘professional’. (it is like they say, you don’t talk about politics or religion or else…)
The fact is that Chaz will get her chance in the spotlight mostly for the controversial (shocking) value and because it has all the backup/endorsement of the GBLT activist community as means to market/promote/encourage their ideals on society… it fits their main objective which is to desensitize those still holding on to “traditional” values, undermining their credibility, and show that people such as Chaz can reach levels of what society may denominate/think-of-as “privileged”.

So the article is written for parents that disagree with the APA and agree with the fierce opposition that exist on the psychology community against the arbitrary decision made in ’74.  It is from this viewpoint that his editorial is right on the mark.  It takes courage to take on the GBLT activists because they have substantial influence in the mainstream media (other than Fox who is more balanced as they are the only ones who present both sides of the issue)… I mean look at Obama, he has been a puppet for the Media and the media a puppet for Obama with mutual benefits.  If tomorrow Chaz becomes the voice against the GBLT values, you can be guaranteed to hear an uproar similar to what happened to Bristol Palin.
Chaz is the real victim of the GBLT agenda… and GBLT are the ones benefiting from this spectacle.That episode alone should be renamed “Manipulated into Dancing For The GBLTs”

“Bet you can’t even look straight into my eyes for more than a sec..”
Sounds kind of homoerotic, Dr. Phil. Dr. Phil, the only reason you would want me to look straight into your eyes is so you could steal a kiss. And a lot more. Not gonna happen!

“Don’t trouble yourself my son… ”
Sorry Phil, you can’t be my sugar daddy. Bigots and Haters are not my type. 

“Mr. Freak.”
Mr. Freak is a compliment. I realize you have difficulty understanding this fact. I embrace it.
I let my freak flag fly. I am honest about who I am.

Dr. Phil, if you are actually a Doctor, I bet your diploma is from a correspondence diploma mill on some third world island somewhere. And your PhD is probably in Proctology, as you seem fixated with the behind.

I would trust Dr. Demento anyday over Dr. Phil.

You say your retired, don’t you have a shuffleboard court game to attend? I bet there will be lots of cute elderly men for you to watch, Phil! 

It must be sad for you to watch the world leave you behind. This is made even sadder by the fact part of you wants to come out of the closet while the other part of you resists.

You are a sad old man. I hope any closeted people reading this take note. This is what happens when you live a lie your entire life. You become a bitter old man or woman who resents the fact they were never able to come out. You lash out at those who do leave the closet for reasons of petty jealousy.

I only feel sorrow and pity for you Dr. Phil. It is still not too late for you to have some piece of mind. 

Dr. Phil, Chaz is way more of a man than you will ever be. Chaz showed great courage to do what he did. Chaz has an integrity you will never remotely have as long as you continue down this path, Dr. Phil.

I have the greatest respect for Chaz. For you Phil, only pity and sorrow. 

caconservative , your toxic to the Mediaite forums.

“Can a Christian love a Gay person and hate their sin?”

A true follower of Jesus Christ does not consider being GLBT to be a sin. 
This includes Gay marriage. There is nothing sinful about it.

Dr. Phil, your very concept of sin is messed up. We do not live in the Middle Ages any more.

Who knows, the real Jesus Christ may have been Gay or bi himself!

Well Mr. Freak… I am touched by your deluge of feelings… at least you seem to have a heart.  BTW I am quite happy and secure about who I am, I have sons and daughters, and grandsons/daughters that care and love me… Being in the twilight of my life I am putting my 2 cents in making sure the future generations will have a balanced view of reality.

See Mr Freak… if you read history, the philosophy and culture proposed by GBLTs, is a ‘great-one’ (not the best in history, but a great one nonetheless) actually, it is the very same pre-christian Greco-roman culture that managed to ‘almost’ conquer all the known world (way back then).  Yet, somehow, miraculously (historically speaking) the Christian philosophy/culture conquered the highly intellectual, rational and logical minds of the western civilization… not by fascism, but by reason enlightened by faith… in pre-Christian Greece/Rome: homosexuality, orgy, hedonism, pedophilia, prostitution, slavery or human traffic, murder (as long as the victim was not a Roman citizen), rape (women were objects), violent entertainment (coliseum), etc. all this was normal… Christianity abolished all that and elevated the dignity of man to levels not seen EVER in any other culture.  Hospitals, orphanages, schools and universities for the masses have all Christian roots in them.  Even the more contemporary abolition of slavery, the rights/dignity of women, even the rights of GBLT (believe it or not) all have Christian roots.

The agenda of the GBLT, is very simple, to demolish the Christian foundation of this nation and to aim for a pre-Christian culture, a helenistic culture, a graeco-roman culture… thinking without the shackels of Christianity mankind can freely and without stigma, indulge in moral ‘so-called’ excesses… anyways Christianity is all a fairy tale… right?

Well the ramifications of doing away with the Christian foundation are self-destructive for any nation.  If I were to teach you about it would be more than I have time off… (I still a social life you know and I need to get back to my shuffleboard game — how did you know?) anyways Mr. Freako, my writings are not meant for you… you seem to be very well informed of YOUR truth… so be fair and balanced (can you?… I doubt it) .. and you write your poems I write my opinions and let others ‘decide’… hows that for fair and balance?

“from their very words you will know what is in their hearts”…

So, FOR YOU (in your own words), to look at someone in their eyes have homosexual connotations, huh?

Well, in psychology if a subject is unable to maintain eye-contact is a sign of insecurity, self-hate, guilty conscience, denial.  But I am sure you know better what I meant, right?

Calling you Mr. Freak is reinforcing your ego.  By the title of your nick-name, it is obvious that that’s what you want to be known for.  psychology 101 my son.  The ‘Mr.’ part was just to raise your dignity a little bit… and about changing your name to Mr. Freak, do as you please… by what I’ve read from you, no matter what you call yourself, IMHO you are still going to be unsatisfied, restless, anxious, bitter… ’tis obvious to predict that you will just utter more baseless insults at me.

p.s. and don’t worry I never take any insults personal… in my old age I’ve heard everything, believe me and I know its just you venting your frustration.

I support GLBT rights.
I have no desire to live in a Hellenistic culture nor a Graeco-Roman culture. I have no desire to were a toga or see Christians fighting the lions. Same goes for just about everything else.
A society embracing GLBT rights does not somehow turn us into Imperial Rome or ancient Sparta.
You have made this into a binary argument. There are options other than A or B.
Ancient Rome and Greece are never coming back, The future will be something totally different than the past.
To say the only way for a civilization to be “civilized” is for the inhabitants to be Christian is nothing more than self righteous Ethnocentrism.
Actually your entire argument is very ethnocentric. Very 19th century Victorian.

I can see you with a pith helmet overseas in a jungle repeating this:

Take up the White Man’s burden–
Send forth the best ye breed–
Go bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives’ need;
To wait in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild–
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half-devil and half-child.

Life is more complicated than this.
Have more faith in modern society. And your fellow human beings. And realize Christendom has a dark side as well.

By your logic, the  Auto-da-fé was a good thing. So was Generalissimo Franco. And the forced conversion of native peoples by sword or rifle(this did happen).

Dr. Phil, Extended eye contact/ extended gauze’s can sometimes be used for less than ethical reasons (sexual manipulation, power, etc) as well. You should know that. You never called yourself a psychologist so it sound very weird.

Are you actually saying you are a psychiatrist? If so, I am glad you are retired and not practicing any more. Sounds like your into the who Marcus Bachmann thing. It’s all making sense now. I get it.

It’s your life. But let others live there’s as well.
 I actually look forward to the future (I am 40 btw). Younger tolerant people are replacing older intolerant people.

Dr. Phil, you compared GLBT people to pedophiles, bestiality, other disgusting things etc.
This is not cool. Not cool at all.
If you only had said you disagreed with Chaz’s decision, I would have disagreed with you but not not have given you this hard of a time.
You need to realize something, comparing GLBT people to pedophiles is going to get you slammed. And hard.
It is beyond the pale.
It crosses a line. It is hard for me to be respectful to someone who makes that comparison. Very hard.

Perhaps I’m not understanding your argument , or you are changing it as we go. Why mention Freud at all, or GBLT trying to discredit him if he has no authority and you’re accepting the premise that GLBT is normal? If you accept the studies why mention GLBT getting in schools to brainwash kids? If you want to try a different argument that’s fine by me, but don’t change directions and claim I’m avoiding anything. I’m addressing what you post.

I honestly don’t see what point you’re trying to make with your references to pedophiles and some imagined double standard.
The studies you say you accept show that homosexuality is not a choice , but is more complicated than simple genetics. It occurs in a relatively small but still significant portion of our population. In a similar way that red hair or green eyes occurs. The question we are forced to answer as a society is , “how do we deal with that?”   Do we shun them? Arrest them? Ostracize them from society because they are different and make others uncomfortable? Can we allow and accept that difference and judge their public actions as we do anyone’s?
If we are going to ostracize them from select parts of society,  then we need to explain and justify that action. A bible verse or just a baseless assertion shouldn’t cut it with them, anymore than it would with any race or religion that has harmed no one.

So, moving to pedophilia, as I said, I don’t understand what point you think you’re making but in general, let’s say, for the sake of argument it’s believed that pedophilia is determined in the same way the homosexuality is. It’s some combination of genetics and other factors , and the individual can’t simply choose to not be sexually attracted to adolescents. What do we as society do about that? The glaring difference is that when a person acts on that attraction they harm someone else and that makes it a crime. Then they are judged not for just having the attraction but harming another. 
If someone is prone to substance abuse and addiction , but never indulges ever, are they still an addict? Do they deserve to be punished for the tendency? Obviously not.
Do we punish pedophiles who never act on their attraction? No, of course not.That seems obvious to me.  So what’s your point again?

You’re right dude, people will change their gender for seeing a transgender dance on TV. Hope you don’t get on TV or else that will inspire people to become mentally retarded.

“Responsible” parents that can’t control what their kids watch & are unable to answer their kid’s questions will care

While I’m not a fan of DWTS, I think it’s unlikely that it so deforms children’s minds that they become conservative because of viewing it.

My children already read quite a few books (we’ve got thousands of ‘em in the house, after all), and that doesn’t seem to be turning them conservative.

Quite the contrary, in fact.

While I’m not a fan of DWTS, I think it’s unlikely that it so deforms children’s minds that they become conservative because of viewing it.

My children already read quite a few books (we’ve got thousands of ‘em in the house, after all), and that doesn’t seem to be turning them conservative.

Quite the contrary, in fact.

While I’m not a fan of DWTS, I think it’s unlikely that it so deforms children’s minds that they become conservative because of viewing it.

My children already read quite a few books (we’ve got thousands of ‘em in the house, after all), and that doesn’t seem to be turning them conservative.

Quite the contrary, in fact.

As one gets older, the likelihood of dementia — sadly — increases.

I hope those children and grandchildren you’re so proud of are monitoring you closely and are prepared to step in as needed as things grow increasingly difficult for you.

P.S.: Hallucinations about “bugs” *are* a sign of dementia. You need to talk to your family now.

You are a perfect example of the older generation.  If my father were alive I can hear him speaking your words.  I am sorry to are so fearful of change.  I am glad that I will soon be the “older”generation as we are much better at acceptance and tolerance.

Actually, his credentials are impressive: M.D. from Oral Roberts University; PhD from Liberty U. Just kidding. I disagree with him, but he did go to good schools. But then so did Bush and Obama.

From wiki:

He graduated from Brown University in 1983, magna cum laude, with a Bachelor of Science degree in Neurosciences. He received his Doctor of Medicine degree from Johns Hopkins Medical School in 1987, and completed his psychiatry residency at the Tufts-New England Medical Center.

I’m certainly not a professional who can give expert information. From my reading being gay is according to current science and studies , not a choice.

My question is why do you think the two are even comparable or , what point are you getting to by comparing them?
But , in an effort to try and not deflect, I’ll say, I don’t know and am not all that concerned about labels. I don’t believe you have a leg to stand on when you insist they must both be one or the other.
But for the sake of argument , let’s say they are both an occurrence in the development of human sexuality that we have yet to understand , but neither is a choice. As a society we face the question of what to do about it.
One harms nobody. It’s ultimately no more threatening to others or society as a whole than hetero who have different sexual inclinations. The other clearly and obviously harms others and we have a long tradition in our legal system of addressing that.

Are you suggesting societies response should depend on what label we assign rather than the real life implications to the people involved?

One overweight the other too much cosmetic surgery – looks like two people that do not like themselves very much to me…

Are these remarks by Dr. Ablow supposed to be controversial? Whatever she/he/it is, repugnant is what would describe it. He/she/it can wage their battle in the comfort of their own home not in my living room. And not in front of my kids.

ON what do you base that this is “toxic”. Every transgender person I have met are much more happy and well-adjusted people after their transition.  There is right and wrong when it comes to how we treat others and ourselves but if this doesn’t harm any other person(ie deny you of your rights) and makes the person themselves happy who are we to judge and or prevent them from living their life. To think otherwise is very unlike Christ and unAmerican!

Apparently a psychiatrist who rejects what a majority of his profession says.  So basically like a doctor who treats cancer with leeches!

And then turned to leeches and bleeding to treat his patients…LOL I bet Brown and Tuft’s wishes they could get their degrees back!

What is normal, no what liberals think is that people should be treated with respect and dignity, no matter who they are.

Oddly enough a majority of psychiatrist who go to school for this sort of thing disagree with you and the good Dr. So pardon me if I take their word for it and let you hang out with those that leech and bleed their patients to treat them for bad humors.

Ok so if there are Muslims on TV you want a waring too, because they are different and discussing those differences would bring up the conflicts in the middle east and the talk of war and death I am sure is as upsetting as discussing transgenderism.  Children are not stupid and are remarkable adept at figuring things out, the lesson here is one of tolerance and that we may not always agree with a person and their beliefs but we should treat them with respect and that some differences are worth celebrating because of the abuse these individuals have suffered in the past.  And if that doesn’t work turn off the TV and make sure your kids never venture out into the real world because every day it’s becoming a more diverse and open world and those of us who have been in the disenfranchised; be we black, brown, Asian, gay, geek, nerd, whatever. 

He does have the finest credentials around.  But, somewhere he must have missed a few classes.  I know a sex therapist (personal friend — not as a professional).  He studied with Masters and Johnston
and must surely have an opinion on this Doctor.  Will ask him next time I see him.

if dr. ablow, whom i seriously doubt actually has a phd in anything, is concerned about kids imitating a transexual person shouldn’t he be equally worried about them imitating a single mother? say like bristol palin?

When are you getting your penis transplant? that thing is so tiny!

He’s not gay; he’s transgendered.
Sexual orientation and sexual identity are different concepts.

You are right… but one doesn’t justify the other.

Does Ablow troll RentBoy site in search of someone to “carry his luggage”? At least Ablow allegedly has valid credentials as a physician, unlike the discredited and disgraced George Rekers. Birds of a feather flocking together.

I’m sure you knew your gender by the time you were 3. THAT’S sexual identity; it has zero to do with sexual desire. The difference in the age thing is increased awareness, and ability to communicate it, by a child of whether or not they identify him/herself as a boy or girl on the INSIDE.

Yes, they can turn the channel.

Chaz’s gender identity is a NON-ISSUE. It’s not like they’ll introduce him, “welcome to the show, Chaz Bono, transgender man!”, any more than they’ll announce, “Welcome to the show, (insert female name), heterosexual!”.
The only way Chaz’s difference will be brought up is if parents bring it up. Just enjoy the show for what it is; a dance show.

1 sperm donor, 150 brothers and sisters

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44399494/ns/health-childrens_health/
Today there are 150 children, all conceived with sperm from one donor, in this group of half siblings, and more are on the way. 
case in point…

Being exposed to what behavior in this case, though? Dancing? OMG YOU GUYS, KIDS MIGHT WATCH THIS SHOW AND START DANCING. 

Being exposed to what behavior in this case, though? Dancing? OMG YOU GUYS, KIDS MIGHT WATCH THIS SHOW AND START DANCING. 

Last time I checked, this is a free country.  There are plenty of places that would gladly stone him to death.  If that is your viewpoint, perhaps you should immigrate to a place that keeps their populace in check. Respect that in THIS country we are all created equal, and we all probably see things we don’t  ”get”. I don’t “get” the people who have a problem with Chaz Bono. As far as I know, he is an intelligent, sensitive, honest person, who has had to deal with a difficult situation in public because of who his parents are. 

a.) I don’t watch Dancing with the Stars and I never said that nobody should or shouldn’t.
b.) I don’t have an opinion of her sex, I’m simply stating a fact. Chaz Bono is a woman.

I’m not judging anything, I’m stating facts. If you don’t like the facts, that’s not my fault.

I don’t care if Chastity Bono changed her name to Chaz. I don’t care if she wants to act like a man. She can act however she wants and call herself whatever she wants. But she can’t change her chromosomes, claiming otherwise is ludicrous. She a woman, she’ll never be able to change that.

*LOL* I love the thought process of irrational, illogical people such as yourself. Simply stating the fact that a woman cannot become a man and a man cannot become a woman is somehow “bigoted”. The only person who could be called a bigot here is you — bigoted against reality.

I know that you may worship government, but government does not have the power to alter Chaz Bono’s female sex chromosomes. She’s a woman, period. She can change her name, dress like a man, act like a man, and do whatever the hell she wants. But she can never become a man. She might as well hope to get a pet unicorn while she’s at it.

And Chaz Bono has no courage whatsoever, trying to paint her as some kind of hero is pathetic. All she did was fill out some forms to change her driver’s license. She never got the surgery to mutilate her vagina and reshape it into an non-functioning flap of skin made to look like a penis. The woman has no convictions whatsoever, she doesn’t even think she should be a man.

This guy keith Abelow is a quack, or a better way to put it, he’s a rightwing psychiatrist who will usually parrot the FOX party line as it applies to psychological and sexual issues. If necessary, he would parrot the “pray away the gay” line. I ‘ve met many transgender people over the years and it’s the same old bigotry whether it’s homosexuality, interracial marriage and probably, slavery. Rightwingers, reactionaries, the whole lot of these backward people are always on the wrong side of history..

Repressed homosexual Stonedpuck sez WTF? from the mentally retarded nature of your comments I bet you’re one of those *gays* who is also such a horribly ugly human being that no one of ANY sexual orientation will have anything to do with you…so you troll around the internetz looking for SOME kind of love, but the hate you spew only causes others to reject you even more…it must be a very sad life you lead, and honestly sweetheart, I guarantee you that NO ONE *cries* due to the idiotic/ moronic/ juvenile bile spewed from your orifice

Ablow’s just a blowhard who makes outrageous statements in order to get a show on Fox News…..He probably tells Roger Ailes that he’s a genius and quite handsome…..and that Rupert looks young for his age….

And the point is that you don’t get to pick. Chaz is whatever he says he is.

All I can say is that this must break poor Cher’s heart. Poor thing. Poor, poor thing!

I’d appreciate it if you didn’t alter my quotes when using them.
“THEN
     why Pedophilia IS a choice? or What makes you certain it is not ALSO “not a choice”?”
Who said I was certain? I don’t think the experts are certain. Why are you insistent on making the comparison? What exactly is the point you think you’re making?

From the studies so far, homosexuality is far more complex than just genetics but the clear indication is it’s not a choice. Let’s say they discover the same thing is true of pedophiles. So what?

  ARE THEY AN ABERRATION? ARE THEY NORMAL? ARE THEY SICK? IS THEIR
INCLINATION A PATHOLOGY?… don’t avoid the question, don’t deflect…
or else you risk to appear as having no rational foundation.  Actually it’s your insistence that they must both be one or other, that seems to lack rational foundation. As I said, I don’t think tha experts are 100% sure so insisting I make a call, or pretending that you know, doesn’t make much sense.

The view that being gay is sick and perverted is a generations old and based in culture and religion rather than any scientific studies. We do get to grow up as a society right? We do get to question old tradition and attitudes right?

So what if neither is a choice? One is people who do not harm others and one is people who clearly harm others. That’s what we react to. Human sexuality varies greatly and I’m sure hetros have practices that other heteros would consider perverted, but that’s not how we structure our legal system is it?

I also don’t understand the point being made with the passive pedophile either. If someone feels those attractions and never acts on them then they are just another law abiding citizen. People can be prone to substance abuse as well but we don’t deny them a driver’s license if they never get behind the wheel drunk. 
So please, if you have a point at all, please clarify it. Otherwise your insisting we compare gays and pedophiles is the only irrational thing going on here.

Neither does she! You can’t “pick” your gender, that’s ridiculous. That’s like picking whether you’re short or tall. Gender is an intrinsic quality. If anything, her DNA “picked” her gender.

exactly, i agree.

Unless you’ve figured out a way to change someone’s sex chromosomes, he’s 100% right.

Well, except for the mutilated part. Chaz still hasn’t mutilated her vagina to basically turn it into an extended urethra that kinda looks like a penis. All she’s doing right now is taking hormones became she is a female and cannot produce them in the necessary quantities.

Unless you’ve figured out a way to change someone’s sex chromosomes, he’s 100% right.

Well, except for the mutilated part. Chaz still hasn’t mutilated her vagina to basically turn it into an extended urethra that kinda looks like a penis. All she’s doing right now is taking hormones became she is a female and cannot produce them in the necessary quantities.

ftr; I tend not to use the word bigot lightly, or to demonize, but when you avoid science and logic to pursue and emotional argument that what it appears to be.

You simply insisting that it’s rational doesn’t make it so. I still have no idea what inconvenient truth you’re referring to because I haven’t seen much truth in your posts. An assertion of your opinion doesn’t qualify.

Wouldn’t you rather watch with your children and have a discussion (if they are old enough) instead of them learning about this on the streets from their friends.  Some day they are going to live with reality.

You may be right but at least she isn’t disowning him.

Rationally speaking GBLT is unnatural.  Is irrational.  Even if this is a genetic trait.  THAT doesn’t mean that my statement is cruel, or hateful, or mean, or intolerant… To say that Chaz is bold is not an insult; if she wants to wear a wig and demands that everyone call her otherwise… that is a pathology, mental disorder, irrational… and THAT, my friend, is a diagnosis, not bigotry.

couldn’t agree more with you… Why would Cher submit herself and her daughter to such torment?… hmmm hmmm hmmm … somehow “masochism” doesn’t begin to describe such behavior… except, did you hear that 40% of Europe is said to be suffering from some mental disorder?

 http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/04/us-europe-mental-illness-idUSTRE7832JJ20110904
IMHO this is the result of years of living in delusion and denial in a society that sanctions “do whatever you feel like” hedonistic, mentality.  I mean, to try to convince a rational population that Chaz is a man can put such psychological strain on a subject that the natural outcome would be “depression, anxiety, insomnia or dementia.” as the article reports is happening in europe.

GBLTs = dark skin, color of your eyes… correct?
GBLTs = dwarf, Shaq’s height, down-syndrome… correct?
GBLTs = sexual orientation outside the natural order = not common = like dwarfs, down-syndrome = you are born that way
GBLTs = pedophiles, zoophiles, necrophiles, etc… they also can’t help it… they were also born that way…

It may be considered a crime in this hateful, bigotted, intolerant, xtian society, but they are also BORN THAT WAY…

I don’t know of any GBLT that has not cried saying, “You think that I chose to be this way?”… yet pedophiles, zoophiles, necrophiles by some act of ‘magic’, are an abomination, aberrant behavior and loathsome to the same GBLT community that calls xtian Bigots… ROFLOL

Why is it so hard for mankind to call a spade a spade when the spade denounces us as ‘weak’, ‘limited’, ‘frail’, ‘pitiable’…
alcoholics refuse to believe they are alcoholics (same for any kind of addiction)
Rep. Weiner is a classic public example of the knee-jerk reaction to accept a weakness
THAT DOESN’T MAKE WEINER A MONSTER… he is plain human… like all of us

Everyone has weaknesses… that is xtianity #1 and most profoundly radical contribution to mankind.

The definition of KRAZY is for people to suggest that their own, particular, weakness, cross, defect is… NOT a weakness, cross, etc… even worse, not only do they convince themselves of that, but would like EVERYONE to believe the same.

IMHO, as a being full of weaknesses, I call out the GBLT community as full of weak individuals with deviant sexualities, not from the point of view that I am better than you, but as a call not to deceive yourself nor do I want others to be deceived into thinking that GBLT is ok too.

I’ve never even hinted at disowning ‘her’… my issue is with the stubborn delusion to deceive her into thinking the ‘world is flat’.

If Chaz would OWN who she REALLY is she would have more balls than Rep. Weiner who for weeks tried to DENY who he really is… instead you would like CHAZ to spend the rest of her life, in DENIAL.

You support GBLT rights??? how about rights for Pedophiles, Necrophiles, zoophiles… I mean, why conveniently stop at GBLT????

Straight question: an individual that is a pedophile, necrophile, zoophile (one who hasn’t committed  a ‘crime’ yet, has not ‘acted out’ on their sexual orientation) but he acknowledges to have this sexual ‘feelings’…

Q1. Are his tendencies a mental disorder?
Q2. What should we do with them?
Q3. Is their sexual orientation ‘normal’ or ‘abnormal’, ‘regular’ or ‘deviant’, ‘rational’ or ‘irrational’?please don’t spin…

to CosmosDan… Bravo… at last, one willing to face the truth…

I said…
“IF  
     GBLT is as you say: “not a choice”
THEN
     why Pedophilia IS a choice? or What makes you certain it is not ALSO “not a choice”?”
Dan said:
“From the studies so far, homosexuality is far more complex than just genetics but the clear indication is it’s not a choice. “… then later Dan said…

“Who said I was certain? I don’t think the experts are certain. Why are you insistent on making the comparison? What exactly is the point you think you’re making? ”… and…

“ If someone feels those attractions (pedophilia, necrophilia, zoophilia, etc.) and never acts on them then they are just another law abiding citizen. People can be prone to substance abuse as well but we don’t deny them a driver’s license if they never get behind the wheel drunk.  
So please, if you have a point at all, please clarify it. Otherwise your insisting we compare gays and pedophiles is the only irrational thing going on here.”
You need to resolve one profound inconsistency before we can continue a rational debate:
either homosexuality IS CERTAINLY NOT A CHOICE OR IT IS A CHOICE…  you can’t have both… by your response you asserted it being not a choice… but when confronted with the passive pedophile (not to confuse with the criminals –as pontificated by a xtian culture– who act on it) you say, you don’t know, not even “the experts are certain”.

I am getting somewhere, but you still have to answer this question:
How do you know these ‘so called experts’ are ‘certain’ about homosexuality but are ‘not certain’ when it comes to ‘pedophilia’ on whether it is either a choice or not a choice.  I am afraid you can’t have both and you can’t afford to go through life with this uncertainty… its no different than ‘believing’ in Christianity.

For as long as this question remains ‘foggy’, ‘murky’, ‘a wishful thinking’, you ‘may be’ building your whole reality on ‘sand’.

Dan said…
“Let’s say they discover the same thing is true of pedophiles. So what? ”

So what? do you need someone to spell it out? … lets ‘play the music of your own making’…
- you need to include pedophiles, zoophiles, necrophiles in your tent (or you are bigots)
- you need to fight for THEIR RIGHTS, LIBERTIES, FREEDOMS as well (or you are bigots)
- you need to help THOSE you can help without violating the law… (or you are bigots)
  … help zoophiles to marry their pets, fight PETA to allow pets to marry their owner, divorce clauses, pre-nup rights for animals, adoption by zoophiles, what about the benefits?… 
  … why can’t necrophiles mummify their beloved and marry? why are they abnormal?, what about adoption rights, what do we do when they divorce?
- you need to go into K-12 classrooms, include zoophiles, necrophiles, pedophiles and explain that it is not a choice, not to make fun of them, WE NEED TO HELP THEM NOT TO BE BIGOTS… right?
etc. etc. etc. etc.

i.e. you have a lot of explaining to do…

GBLT as PZN is unnatural, goes against nature… that doesn’t make you/them monsters or an aberration, but you can’t say that it is ‘normal’, ‘natural’ without having serious consequences on the nation as a whole.

the difference is that pedophilia is a predatory lifestyle, an older person preying on a mentally unprepared young child.

Yes, I do not believe in first class and second class citizens…

what is UP is DOWN…what is RIGHT is LEFT in Mediaite-ville.   Flee this glorification of perversion America…We are all children of God, created by God..yet the small minds of man thinks they be “god” themselves.  You will not spare your judgement on them, will you O Jehovah?  

From Psalm 139For you created my inmost being; 
   you knit me together in my mother’s womb. 
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; 
   your works are wonderful, 
   I know that full well. 
15 My frame was not hidden from you 
   when I was made in the secret place, 
   when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. 
16 Your eyes saw my unformed body; 
   all the days ordained for me were written in your book 
   before one of them came to be. 
17 How precious to me are your thoughts,[a] God! 
   How vast is the sum of them! 

Nobody is talking about pedophiles that ACT on their ‘sexual orientation’… we are talking about the thousands of ‘silent victims’ who are suffering, ‘stigmatized’, forced to live a ‘life of fear’, ‘intolerance’, full of complexes, feelings of inferiority, etc…

I am not trying to defend an ‘active’ pedophile, I am just exposing the double standard or irrational logic used by GBLT to justify their own ‘sexual orientation’ and how convenient that they forget about the rights, liberties and freedoms of others with similar struggles “pedophiles, zoophiles, necrophiles, etc.”… so far they just dabble in denial or spin or insults as the strength of the argument exposes their logical error.  Hopefully they will understand why heterosexuals feel they way they do… not out of bigotry, but out of common sense in a rational society.

It would perhaps be useful if you knew the difference between “sex” and “gender.”

From Monash University School of Nursing:

“Sex = male and female
Gender = masculine and feminine
So in essence:
Sex refers to biological differences; chromosomes, hormonal profiles, internal and external sex organs.
Gender describes the characteristics that a society or culture delineates as masculine or feminine.”

Bono has concluded that his gender is masculine. In a social context, his sex is irrelevant, although he is undergoing medical treatment to bring his sex more in line with his gender.

And this is a not radical point of view at all, given that day-to-day interactions between people (outside of families) is almost exclusively on gender bases rather than sexual bases.

That is a profoundly ambiguous posting (almost as ambiguous as gender roles themselves). WTF are you trying to say?

ho ho ho… when you get beat up using rational arguments, the only answer a progressive has is insults.

That is ok Cosmos… you don’t have to understand, in my world, you make my point of being in denial… like I told Mr. Freak, I am writing for those reading, giving my side of the argument and… we report… they decide for themselves… IMHO you are doing a great job at ‘progressive’s’ kinda argumentation.

Dr. Phil… you are mean in that you spit the truth without compassion… nobody in their right mind will call a “short person” a “dwarf” in their face without expecting the person to be hurt…. now would you agree to that? 

Don’t want to watch Chaz Bono on DWTS? ..C-H-A-N-G-E T-H-E C-H-AN-N-E-L !.  I am looking forward to watching DWTS.
C-H-A-N-G-E T-H-E C-H-AN-N-E-L !.  I am looking forward to watching DWTS.
Don’t want to expose your child to persons who are different than they are…KEEP THEM AT HOME FOREVER.  Do you not realize how many gays, lesbians, transgenders, republicans, democratics and tea partys are out there in your own neighberhood?

Rational arguments? You may not be very rational, but you are very funny.

And by the way, my comment was not intended as an insult, but rather a straightforward assessment of the behavior you have exhibited at length.

I’d go with the funny, if I were you.

You need to resolve one profound inconsistency before we can continue a rational debate:
either homosexuality IS CERTAINLY NOT A CHOICE OR IT IS A CHOICE..

There is no inconsistency. According to many studies , it is unclear EXACTLY WHAT combination of physiological events causes an individual to be attracted to their own gender, but it’s pretty clear it’s not a choice.  So, when I said the experts are not sure I wasn’t talking about whether it’s a choice or not.
Also, I don’t see the relationship between pedophiles and gays so haven’t done any reading on how professionals view pedophilia. My point was that insisting they are both one or the other is illogical nonsense. Since you’re making these arguments maybe it falls on you to know more facts about the arguments you’re making. Just a thought. As it turns out there are several theories about the cause of pedophilia.
 

but when confronted with the passive pedophile (not to confuse with the
criminals –as pontificated by a xtian culture– who act on it) you say,
you don’t know, not even “the experts are certain”.

  Yeah, because {PAY ATTENTION HERE!} pedophilia and homosexuality are not the same thing!!  Got that? Godzilla insisted that they must both be one thing or the other. That’s illogical nonsense. There is nothing that states they have to be defined as the same, even if {pay attention again} they both have physiological origins. See, intellect and cycle cell anemia may both be genetic, but that doesn’t make them both a negative or both a positiver, does it?
 

How do you know these ‘so called experts’ are ‘certain’ about
homosexuality but are ‘not certain’ when it comes to ‘pedophilia’ on
whether it is either a choice or not a choice.  I am afraid you can’t
have both and you can’t afford to go through life with this
uncertainty… its no different than ‘believing’ in Christianity.

  
I’m researching the evidence which is readily available on line. Anyone seriously concerned about the truth ought to be looking at the available evidence rather than trying to defend opinion and tradition without any evidence. There’s this thing called reality that has a strange effect on people’s certainty. Just deciding to believe something and claim certainty doesn’t happen to change reality. Sometimes we are uncertain about things, but we can weigh credible available evidence against opinion and tradition that are backed by no evidence at all and make a judgement call. An informed opinion is not equal to an uninformed one. A moral position based on tradition is not equally valid as one based on reason and credible evidence. I repeat, conflating homosexuality and pedophilia is BS, and illogical. They do not both have to be one thing or the other. That is a completely false premise and you can’t build  logical argument on it.
Here’s the kicker, even if neither is a choice you still don’t have a leg to stand on.

So what? do you need someone to spell it out? ..

Yes, spell it out. Be specific and clear , finally, thank you.  Then we can take a look at it and defend it or refute it.

– you need to include pedophiles, zoophiles, necrophiles in your tent (or you are bigots)
- you need to fight for THEIR RIGHTS, LIBERTIES, FREEDOMS as well (or you are bigots)

Nobody is making those arguments and it’s ridiculous to assert that defending the rights of homosexuals leads to that. That’s exactly what I meant when I said the superficial appearance of logic is not logic.

You seem to be ignoring the very significant point of consent. Even if homosexuality and pedophilia were both genetic it wouldn’t change the fact that one is consenting adults who harm no one, and one is not. That distinction has a very powerful precedent in our legal system.

i.e. you have a lot of explaining to do…

I’ve already explained while you have offered baseless assertions of what is true without backing any of it up. It is you who now have some splaining to do.

GBLT as PZN is unnatural, goes against nature…

Another baseless assertion based on tradition and opinion rather than facts. Since even the animal kingdom has examples of same gender sexual relationships the assertion of “it’s against nature” is false. It’s not, period.

Your argument seems to be {and by all means clarify if I’m incorrect} that if homosexuality is natural, and not a choice , then those who support equal rights for our gay citizens, such as SSM, must also support those same rights for pedophiles and zoophiles. That’s utter hogwash totally devoid of logic. It’s akin to saying if someone likes green beans they must logically also like green peppers since they are both green vegetables. Actually it’s even less logical than that.  

If you assert that advancing equality for gays is somehow dangerous and damaging to society then it is up t you to provide credible evidence to support that assertion. But you can’t can you?

I wanted to clarify something else about your and Godzilla’s rather bizarre use of passive pedophiles as if it strengthens your position.
Nobody is suggesting that it is okay to harass, punish, ridicule , or arrest passive pedophiles {assuming that means those that have the inclination but do not act on it} That seems obvious to me. Pedophilia is a crime not because of thoughts or feelings, but because the act harms others and violates them.
That simply isn’t the case with gay sex between consenting adults.

Nobody is talking about pedophiles that ACT on their ‘sexual
orientation’… we are talking about the thousands of ‘silent victims’
who are suffering, ‘stigmatized’, forced to live a ‘life of fear’,
‘intolerance’, full of complexes, feelings of inferiority, etc…

It still dumbfounds me where you think the logic is in this.

Wouldn’t most people think it unjust and cruel to persecute or beat up a passive pedophile who never acted on his attractions? Not only that, how would we know who is a passive pedophile? Are you assuming they would volunteer their attraction? Hardly seems likely does it? Again, your argument only has a superficial resemblance to logic.

I am not trying to defend an ‘active’ pedophile, I am just exposing the
double standard or irrational logic used by GBLT to justify their own
‘sexual orientation’ and how convenient that they forget about the
rights, liberties and freedoms of others with similar struggles
“pedophiles, zoophiles, necrophiles,

And you are failing. There is no irrational logic except in your argument.

Consent differentiates between them. Unless you can clearly explain why that isn’t so. Can you? 

Fuck You Very Much
Lily Allen

Look inside, look inside your tiny mind
Then look a bit harder
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Of all the hatred you harbor

So you say it’s not okay to be gay
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So please don’t stay in touch

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You want to be like your father
It’s approval you’re after
Well, that’s not how you find it

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Living a life that’s so hateful?
‘Cause there’s a hole where your soul should be
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And it’s really distasteful

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I got to meet a mr/s. at a friend’s wedding and what a wonderful wo/man they were.

Wow…Chaz has been doing some heavy lifting in the buffet line…

Whether it is a choice or not DOES NOT MATTER. Are you against people having freedom to choose? I suppose we could livve in that society. Religion is a choice, and we do not put people who do not stop people from watching people who may be jewish, or catholic on tv. Those are OBVIOUS choices. 
Of course the SCIENTIFIC community and American Psychological Association  have said peopel are born this way. Just because you dont want to be educated does not mean it isnt scentific. 

Dan…
We report… the society will decide…

BTW: I said GBLT (PZN) is unnatural… NOT un-religious… IF we were an irrational, instinctive, Darwinian species, YOUR statement can pass as rational… but intelligence and consciousness differentiate us from the animals… and even between animals (non-intelligent/instinct driven) themselves homosexuality is extremely unnatural=rare=the exception rather than the rule… again, I haven’t mentioned God… don’t need to.

So now unnatural just means rare. Sorry, that definition doesn’t work. If it occurs in nature at all it is natural. The word you’re looking for is unusual. The unnatural argument was used to cast homosexuality in a negative light, and to support that it’s a choice. It isn’t.
So to recap on what society will decide on.

Even if pedophilia and other predilections are also not a choice, your argument doesn’t work because of the issue of consent and harm to others.
The issue of passive pedophiles who never act on their attraction also does nothing to support your argument since society does not punish them in any way until they act to harm another, which is something consenting homosexual adults never do.

In short, you have no logical argument and haven’t pointed to any hypocrisy in those who see our gay friends and relatives as completely normal and deserving of equal consideration and protection under the law.
I have no idea if you’re a believer or not and I’m fine with having the discussion with or without religious belief in it because neither has a leg to stand on. What I find interesting is how religious people see that they need to find some argument that at least appears to be logical and founded in facts other than belief. Their big problem is there isn’t one. That’s why groups like Focus on the Family and others lie about studies to try and create a “valid” argument.
Equality is written in our founding documents, ingrained in our hearts and minds as citizens, and has come a long way , struggle after struggle , in our nations history and the history of mankind in general. Everyone who has searched for some rational argument to oppose it for ….”those people” whomever they were, has ultimately failed as they will in this case as well.

Wow, you’re a tard.

And you are a liberal idiot!!  Have you ever checked to see how many people that had the gender change wish they had not.  Get your facts straight before you try to articulate about something you obviously know nothing about!!!  As far as your so call “freedoms” and the constitution your party has almost destroyed this country in 4 years.  They go against everything our Founding Fathers stood for!!!! 

Our Founding Fathers didn’t stand for censoring public media or shying away from difficult topics.  Even though it took decades to repeal slavery our founding fathers talked and debated and argued over it the entire time.  Our founding fathers believed in trying to shape a better government by finding a way to work as a connected nation rather than a divided group of political ideologies.

YOU believe in tearing down the other guy because his beliefs aren’t your own and apparently crying out about something that is going on on a television show, which is dare I say a private enterprise unto which you have no obligation to attend or witness.

An MD does not a PhD make. It’s a two-year degree pretty much equivalent to a Masters. For someone so educated, he is quite ignorant.

FGor a “Libtards” oh don’t you just love it when a tretarded Teapublican refers to educated people as libtards?  You couldn’t even write that sentence syntactically correct, dumb ass.