Seriously!?!

It’s a mosaic ! !!!!

Chiropractors urgently needed for White House advisors out claiming EIT s really did not contribute much to info leading to killing of bin Laden .
They are twisting themselves into knots to not admit waterboarding works .

The Lantern of Truth said:
It’s a mosaic ! !!!! Chiropractors urgently needed for White House advisors out claiming EIT s really did not contribute much to info leading to killing of bin Laden .They are twisting themselves into knots to not admit waterboarding works .

Actually W was the one with the pretzel problem!

Sadly, I just wasted an hour of my life that I’ll never get back watching Meet The Press. David Gregory had 2 former Bush administration officials on and the “Noun, Verb and Nine Eleven” and Gregory played a clip of Rumsfeld from Wednesday where he claimed that torture had a direct effect on catching Bin Laden. Apparently Gregory was unaware that on Monday Rumsfeld said torture was NOT the reason that Bin Laden was caught. Also, Gregory must be the only “Newman” in America who hasn’t seen the clip of Bush from MARCH OF 2002 stating that he doesn’t spend any time worrying about Bin Laden. That is just unforgivable. He’s a complete tool. Thank goodness for Liberal bloggers because every single one of them has featured that clip. I’d stopped watching Meet The Press last year but, woke up early enough this morning to see it from start to finish. I’ll be sure never to do that again! Torture enthusiasts should ask themselves this question. If the information was gleened through torture, why did it take until 2011 to get this info and keep in mind that torture ended in 2005? It just doesn’t add up. The Bush administration was littered with liars and incompetent idiots!

Condi Rice=Patriot.

One more thing, those of you who know what stovepiping is also know that this practice was haulted by Obama when he found out it was still going on after the failed attempt by the underwear bomber. That and the fact that Bush disbanded the unit to catch Bin Laden is also a clear indication of their lack of interest in catching Bin Laden. Instead, Bush pivoted and took us into Iraq then, subjected us to his “Mission Accomplished” codpiece. EEEEEU!

Jaurez said:
Condi Rice=Patriot.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/05/973536/-Refuting-Condoleezza-Rices-Lies-About-The-Threat-Of-A-Mushroom-Cloud

roxsteady said:
woke up early enough this morning

Rocketscientiststeady ( See , anyone can do nicknames , RRK ) needs to up her Colt 45 intake on Sat . night to avoid any Sun . am . TV viewing .

Yes, Condi also pushed the WMD mushroom cloud nonsense too. There’s another word ending in iot that fits her….Idiot!

Awww, 990 cc’s o stupid is a kos kiddie…

You’re pretty clearly connecting the dots through your own bias Tommy. As Condi Rice served in the Bush Administration and DOES NOT serve in the Obama Administration, doesn’t it make sense she would respond to questions from the position of what she has knowledge, that being, during the Bush Administration? Then you fire the typical pot shot at Bush that bin Laden could have been had in Tora Bora – hindsight is always 20/20 my friend.

Ronald Reagan had a plaque on his desk that said “There is no limit to what a man can do or where he can go if he doesn’t mind who gets the credit.” President Bush has followed that tack, I wish others on both sides would do likewise. It doesn’t matter.

The Lantern of Truth said:
Rocketscientiststeady ( See , anyone can do nicknames , RRK ) needs to up her Colt 45 intake on Sat . night to avoid any Sun . am . TV viewing .

No opinion on the facts I listed? I didn’t thinks so. You’re really weak on defense. Just like Bush!

Liberal insecurity… they can’t admit they were wrong… “man made disasters”… please…

Gates, Panetta, and Hillary closed the deal… they gave Obama an offer he could not refuse: either sign off on the McRaven Operation or we will leak this to the world…

roxsteady said:
haulted by Obama

HAULT !!

Hoo geaus their ?

Mocking is easy . Why does J. Stewart have 37 writers ?

Do any of you torture apologists have an opinion on Bush’s ascertion that he wasn’t spending anytime looking for Bin Laden? Do you think that was just an awful admission just 6 months after the attack when Ground Zero was still smoldering? Anybody? Idiots!

roxsteady said:
Torture enthusiasts should ask themselves this question. If the information was gleened through torture, why did it take until 2011 to get this info and keep in mind that torture ended in 2005? It just doesn’t add up.

The timeline, which is readily available if you are genuinely interested in learning the truth, shows that the initial info they got was the nickname of the courier. It then took several years before they learned his actual name. Then several more years before they tracked him to Pakistan.

roxsteady said:
You’re really weak on defense

You’re strong on offense .

In fact , you’re highly offensive .

roxsteady said:
Do any of you torture apologists have an opinion

I am dead set against torture…but I’m not blind to see that it provided the intel to capture Osama…
yikes, Liberals are insecure…

Judge Mental said:
The timeline, which is readily available if you are genuinely interested in learning the truth, shows that the initial info they got was the nickname of the courier. It then took several years before they learned his actual name. Then several more years before they tracked him to Pakistan.

Wrong again! The name of the courier that was given was a false one. If the name was correct, why didn’t Bush get Bin Laden? Why did it take until 2011? Nice try!

Judge Mental said:
The timeline, which is readily available if you are genuinely interested in learning the truth, shows that the initial info they got was the nickname of the courier. It then took several years before they learned his actual name. Then several more years before they tracked him to Pakistan.

google Bob Woodward’s account published May 6… good stuff… “the pacer”

I’ll take that as a no. You have no comment on Bush saying he wasn’t spending time worrying about Bin Laden yet, you’re all trying to give him credit. You’ve all invested in an administration (Bush) that proved itself to be incompetent. At least you have that in common.

roxsteady said:
The name of the courier that was given was a false one.

it is called an alias…

roxsteady said:
You have no comment on Bush saying he wasn’t spending time worrying about Bin Laden

Obama said the exact same thing countless times…

rox, Bush said he wasn’t that interested in Bin Laden because the scope of the mission was bigger than just one man. If you’re going to tell us what he said, don’t chop half of it off.

Remember, Bush disbanded the unit that was supposed to catch him in 2005. Still think he should get credit? Also, the 3 people who were waterboarded in 2003 didn’t give up any info after that so how can they claim it worked…8 years later? Ugh!

roxsteady said:
Also, the 3 people who were waterboarded in 2003 didn’t give up any info after that so how can they claim it worked…8 years later?

ask Panetta…

writer said:
rox, Bush said he wasn’t that interested in Bin Laden because the scope of the mission was bigger than just one man. If you’re going to tell us what he said, don’t chop half of it off.

That statement speaks for itself! He was not trying to catch him after claiming he would. Now why did he disband the unit? I saw one of the interrogators on tv last week and he said they had 37 men on the ground at Tora Bora and were begging the Bush administration to send more troops to get him but, Bush and Rumsfeld refused because they were afraid of more troop casualities. Apparently there’s a lot that you don’t know watching fox!

Roxy just grumpy after wasting time watching right wing stooge David Gregory .

The Lantern of Truth said:
Roxy just grumpy after wasting time watching right wing stooge David Gregory .

He is grumpy after reading Charles Blow explain how the mean Right is taking away Obama’s poll bounce…

skoorbekim said:
google Bob Woodward’s account published May 6… good stuff… “the pacer”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/death-of-osama-bin-laden-phone-call-pointed-us-to-compound–and-to-the-pacer/2011/05/06/AFnSVaCG_story.html

Well, then, rox, after the first trade center attack, why didn’t Clinton get him?

roxsteady said:
Also, the 3 people who were waterboarded in 2003 didn’t give up any info after that so how can they claim it worked…8 years later? Ugh!

Wrong.

When KSM was captured, he was resistant to any form of interrogation, conventional or otherwise. As our colleague Marc Thiessen learned in writing Courting Disaster, KSM’s resistance was “superhuman.” It was only after being subjected to waterboarding and other enhanced measures that he became compliant, and from that point forward, cooperated with more conventional techniques. As one of the CIA interrogators told Marc, “If we had not had these techniques, we would have gotten zero from him.” So enhanced interrogation methods played an integral role in all of the intelligence collected from him.

The Lantern of Truth said:
Roxy just grumpy after wasting time watching right wing stooge David Gregory .

I’m not grumpy. I’m giddy at the prospect of the right trying to claim credit and am gratified that it’s not sticking. I have to go pick up a cake now so, you’re all free to stay here and delude yourselves in the knowledge that Bush is not going to get credit for capturing Bin Laden no matter how hard the wingnuts try.

Judge Mental said:
Wrong.

Oops. Here’s the link to the quoted material: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/266293/breaking-down-ksm-shannen-coffin

Judge Mental said:
Wrong.

By the way Mark Thiessen was a Speech Writer. Got that?

Clinton, rox?

roxsteady said:
By the way Mark Thiessen was a Speech Writer. Got that?

So what? He also researched and wrote a book about the CIA’s “black sites” where the interrogations were conducted.

Vindication: When the loudest critic of your policies achieves his greatest success because of them.”

Bush “loosened the jar”??? It took ten years to find the guy! It doesn’t take 10 years to open a loose jar!

roxsteady said:
I have to go pick up a cake now

Better get two , it could be a long hungry ride home .

Boy , the right wing is mean .

roxsteady said:
I’m not grumpy. I’m giddy at the prospect of the right trying to claim credit and am gratified that it’s not sticking. I have to go pick up a cake now so, you’re all free to stay here and delude yourselves in the knowledge that Bush is not going to get credit for capturing Bin Laden no matter how hard the wingnuts try.

Heh.

Pelosi thanks President Bush for his role in bin Laden’s demise

You know you’re a nut, don’t you, rox?

The Pakistanis were helping hide the jar.

“While the precise order and manner in which the dots were connected is still not known, and may never be, the Bush administration oversaw bin Laden’s preventable escape from Tora Bora, and for whatever reason, the trail grew cold enough under their watch that they shuttered the CIA’s bin Laden unit for several years.”

Wow, talk about a hyper-partisan opinion that would make Olby proud. To state that Bin Laden’s escape from Tora Bora was preventable is absurd considering that we still don’t know for sure if he was actually there and if he were whether we could have gotten him. To suggest that they just let him “escape” is ignorant. Bush disputes that they “shuttered” the Bin Laden unit. You’re attempting to imply that the administration told the CIA to stop looking for Bin Laden, which, again, is absurd & incorrect. As for never knowing the precise manner in which the dots were connected, there’s at least as much evidence, if not more, about the manner in which the dots were connected than there is about any of your other statements.

Face it, Obama made a good call to send the SEALS in but Bin Laden was found using the policies that Obama & you & all the other reflexive Bush haters criticized.

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2011/05/08/report-two-thirds-of-pakistanis-refuse-to-believe-bin-laden-is-dead/

Barack really has toughened up. Remember how sensitive he used to be? Well, not toward the Navy SEALs, but to their prey.

jim bronson 990cc said:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/05/973536/-Refuting-Condoleezza-Rices-Lies-About-The-Threat-Of-A-Mushroom-Cloud

If you’d like to link to Media Matters talking points, then go to Media Matters. There is no need for linking to a liberal rag site such as the one linked.

“By contrast, the raid on bin Laden’s compound in Pakistan was the fulfillment of a very early campaign promise, one for which he was roundly attacked, ”

So, a campaign promise that he really has not control over was fulfilled? The CIA, the one you said was disbanded, had been tracking the courier since well before the election. Obama made A LOT of campaign promises because he was a naive, inexperienced Senator. He’s basically Ms. Cleo. You’re going to hit on some but you’re going to miss on many.

roxsteady said:
Do any of you torture apologists have an opinion on Bush’s ascertion that he wasn’t spending anytime looking for Bin Laden?

Yes, I’m thoroughly impressed by the amount of time Obama spent working sources, surveilling, tracking and ultimately shooting Osama in the head. He truly is a badass with mad Muslim killin’ skillz.

Speaking on talking out of your ass on the campaign trail, how’s this one going:

“This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”

lonestar77 said:
Speaking on talking out of your ass on the campaign trail, how’s this one going:

“This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”

The pollsters would like to know why there’s not such a “united” feeling amongst the country? Perhaps the “unwashed” amongst us are sick and tired of being spit upon by a liberal press. Just saying. :)

JJ Vachon said:
Bush “loosened the jar”??? It took ten years to find the guy! It doesn’t take 10 years to open a loose jar!

Yes he did! Boy-President Bush made it nice and loose for Osama to escape from Tora Bora…this way he hadhis b00gey-man so he can get back at Saddam for making fun of his daddy. Remember Bush saying.

.”I don’t.know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.”—3/13/02

“I am truly not that concerned about him.”—3/13/02

“I’ll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him.”—3/13/02

…”hes in a cave”…and all the BS about OBL not having any influence over al-qaeda…right.

Fact is, Bush did NOTHING to find OBL..he is an incompetent war criminal…Send him to The Hague!

Excellent blog post, Tommy. Well done, indeed.

shut up, bovine

Jaurez said:
shut up, bovine

Warrezz, seriously, why so sad? I’m starting to feel sorry for you over here.

writer said:
rox, Bush said he wasn’t that interested in Bin Laden because the scope of the mission was bigger than just one man. If you’re going to tell us what he said, don’t chop half of it off.

Then why do they want all the credit all of a sudden? Lol. They just love having it both ways dont they?

Presidential Daily Briefing – Aug 6, 2001 entitled “Osama Bin Laden determined to attack inside the United States”.

Condi Rice – 9/11 Committee 2003 – “No one could have seen the 9/11 attack coming”.

Mosesdinoark said:
Yes he did! Boy-President Bush made it nice and loose for Osama to escape from Tora Bora…this way he hadhis b00gey-man so he can get back at Saddam for making fun of his daddy.

That is some high grade lunacy there, bunky.

EIT’s work. Period. Would you waterboard someone if it could save your child’s life? The Govt should do whatever it takes to keep people safe. As far as credit goes…it belongs only to the intel officers and military personnel who have sacrificed so much over the past 10 years to bring our enemies to justice…not to any politician.

Mosesdinoark said:
Then why do they want all the credit all of a sudden? Lol. They just love having it both ways dont they?

Where do you see Bush trying to grab credit? (He is not a “they”, btw.)

RowdyHoward said:
Warrezz, seriously, why so sad? I’m starting to feel sorry for you over here.

He’s sad because his “Patriot” man crushes were unable to get OBL….and maybe hes realizing these “Patriots” are in name only….and maybe hes realizing the people he was told were cowards and soft are the real Patriots….and maybe hes realizing he will never be as brave or strong or man enough to compare with Navy Seal Team Six.

bovine, put a binky in it

Pablo said:
Where do you see Bush trying to grab credit? (He is not a “they”, btw.)

The whole President Cheney/bushy regime dumbass.

Pablo said:
That is some high grade lunacy there, bunky.

Right! And you’re probably a birther/truther!

For the past year Righties have been saying enough already with blaming Bush. And now they want now to credit Bush. Well, Bush better man up and accept credit for tanking the economy and ruining America’s reputation around the world first. Obama has spent his first 3 years cleaning up the mess Bush left and finally we are starting to see some dividends. No thanks to the Party or No.

Doctor Rice consumate professional, unlike those blabber mouth from the muslim prince’s administration gave this islamic double agent nothing he could send back home to hurt our brave men & woman of the armed services serving in harms way around the globe.

That loser Obama and his peeps should take heed from one of the principles of the last great president’s ( Bush ) administration about professionalism and proper decorum of the office of president of the United States of America. They won’t though, as they’re simply not capable.

Lauding Bush for the “very, very hard calls that frankly helped to set this up,” she allowed that “President Obama had to make some very difficult calls to bring it to conclusion.”

An accurate statement except that the war between Islam and the United States won’t be coming to a “conclusion” any time soon.

roxsteady said:
Yes, Condi also pushed the WMD mushroom cloud nonsense too. There’s another word ending in iot that fits her….Idiot!

Stop your RACIST remarks. Remember……she’s black so you can’t talk about her! Or is it only black democrats that we can’t talk about?

Mosesdinoark said:
The whole President Cheney/bushy regime dumbass.

Which is to say you don’t see him doing it at all, right?

Mosesdinoark said:
Right! And you’re probably a birther/truther!

Oooooh. Wrong again. Bummer.

I’m not sure why Rice is still covering for the Bush administration. It sounds like she has something to hide.

Rice reminds me of an abused wife. The wife will forever cover the man who beats the hell out of her. Need I say anything else? I don’t think so. Bush will always be our worst president, who should never have been president.

Well, he IS from 0bama’s administration. Should he be believed???

Obama’s nat’l intel director admits: Waterboarding helped catch bin Laden
From THE NEW YORK TIMES

Bummer, huh, dummies?

By PETER BAKER

WASHINGTON – President Obama’s national intelligence director told colleagues in a private memo last week that the harsh interrogation techniques banned by the White House did produce significant information that helped the nation in its struggle with terrorists.

“High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qa’ida organization that was attacking this country,” Adm. Dennis C. Blair, the intelligence director, wrote in a memo to his staff last Thursday…

Posted by Christian Hartsock.

[nytimes.com]

OK OK….. ENUFF …….THE TORTURE WORKED…..OK………WOULD SOMEBODY GIVE CLUSTERFUK BUSH SUM CREDIT….PLEEEZE…… BEFORE THE BAGGERS CRY THEMSELVES TO DEATH

D REX said:
OK OK….. ENUFF …….THE TORTURE WORKED…..OK………WOULD SOMEBODY GIVE CLUSTERFUK BUSH SUM CREDIT….PLEEEZE…… BEFORE THE BAGGERS CRY THEMSELVES TO DEATH

most people are giving Bush credt for this…
Obama polling at 52%… next week he will be back under water…

lucky5 said:
I’m not sure why Rice is still covering for the Bush administration. It sounds like she has something to hide.

She’s in collusion with Scott Walker.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Condi Rice=would have made one hell of a fine POTUS!
Barack Obama= will go down in History as a Community whatever!

D REX said:
OK OK….. ENUFF …….THE TORTURE WORKED…..OK………WOULD SOMEBODY GIVE CLUSTERFUK BUSH SUM CREDIT….PLEEEZE…… BEFORE THE BAGGERS CRY THEMSELVES TO DEATH

NOW YOU KNOW WHY YOUR SIDE IS SO IGNORANT. YOU AVOID THE TRUTH LIKE THE PLAQUE. ARE YOU RELATED TO BLUEBONNET?

WCinWI said:
She’s in collusion with Scott Walker.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I wouldn’t doubt it. Walker needs all the help he can get.

lucky5 said:
I wouldn’t doubt it. Walker needs all the help he can get.

Then you are a conspiracy nut and we don’t need nuts in WI. Or at least stay in Madison with the rest of the crazies.

roxsteady said:
That statement speaks for itself! He was not trying to catch him after claiming he would. Now why did he disband the unit? I saw one of the interrogators on tv last week and he said they had 37 men on the ground at Tora Bora and were begging the Bush administration to send more troops to get him but, Bush and Rumsfeld refused

writer said:
Clinton, rox?

No one is or should be trying to give credit to Clinton for killing bin Laden because he didn’t kill bin Laden.

No one should be trying to give Bush credit for killing bin Laden because he didn’t kill bin Laden.

Writer, it is you that deflects the conversation because you have no response to W. Bush’s epic failures. And then you have the nerve to demand others respond to your deflection because you can’t man up about W. Bush’s ineptitude.

Writer is cowardly ignorance personified.

“Seeks credit” – in any normal media world she would never have to even bring up the subject; but we are taqlking about HEHIMSELFtheone, the almighty obamasiah, for whom the media built the largest pecdestal of all time, campaigned for HIM, slandered otehrs on HIS behalf, liked to the public about HIM and for HIM, and for whom the media finds no fault. it is really outrageous and quite frankly sickening how you lefties fawn over this guy.

Tommy is as guilty as all the other lefties on making HEHIMSELF larger than man and yet forgetting that he really is a manchild. he is the most arrogant, the most self-centered, the most disgraceful and gawd awful President this country has or will ever see.

But the almighty one is god to more than one in the media, even to the point where the media has claimed HIM to be “like god”.s
I won’t even tell you want the special forces are saying about his chest thumping, bt you can bet your bottom dollar it ain’t pretty.

WCinWI said:
Then you are a conspiracy nut and we don’t need nuts in WI. Or at least stay in Madison with the rest of the crazies.

You sound like you got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Its not my fault you have to live in the basement of your parents home. I’m not a conspiracy nut! Walker is just a henchmen to his Koch masters. I want a real conservative in there that will stand up for real American values. He has axed a lot of projects that would of helped Wisconsin. I get tired of the games he is playing because it isn’t helping Wisconsin.

Jaurez said:
Condi Rice=Patriot.

Juarez=right wing sycophant

roxsteady said:
That statement speaks for itself! He was not trying to catch him after claiming he would. Now why did he disband the unit? I saw one of the interrogators on tv last week and he said they had 37 men on the ground at Tora Bora and were begging the Bush administration to send more troops to get him but, Bush and Rumsfeld refused because they were afraid of more troop casualities. Apparently there’s a lot that you don’t know watching fox!

Rox, it’s apparent that you’re taking your talking points from Media Matters, John Podesta and Tommy Christopher. The full explanation about disbanding that specific team was that we have the full scope of military and intelligence agencies working all aspects of the terror networks and that gathering information from all sources would be more successful than having one team working only on OBL. And guess what? He was RIGHT. We got KSM and it eventually led to OBL.

Now go get your shinebox.

TfT said:
“Seeks credit” – in any normal media world she would never have to even bring up the subject; but we are taqlking about HEHIMSELFtheone, the almighty obamasiah, for whom the media built the largest pecdestal of all time, campaigned for HIM, slandered otehrs on HIS behalf, liked to the public about HIM and for HIM, and for whom the media finds no fault. it is really outrageous and quite frankly sickening how you lefties fawn over this guy.

Tommy is as guilty as all the other lefties on making HEHIMSELF larger than man and yet forgetting that he really is a manchild. he is the most arrogant, the most self-centered, the most disgraceful and gawd awful President this country has or will ever see.

But the almighty one is god to more than one in the media, even to the point where the media has claimed HIM to be “like god”.s
I won’t even tell you want the special forces are saying about his chest thumping, bt you can bet your bottom dollar it ain’t pretty.

Typical right wing garbage from a typical right wing dumpster head. Sorry, but your little IDOL BUSH should get 0 credit. Funny, but since most of the barely literate irrational theocons are on your side. why do you always run your little mouth about Messiah. You post was a stupid, dishonest load of trash just like most of the other no-integrity cons here.

lucky5 said:
You sound like you got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Its not my fault you have to live in the basement of your parents home. I’m not a conspiracy nut! Walker is just a henchmen to his Koch masters. I want a real conservative in there that will stand up for real American values. He has axed a lot of projects that would of helped Wisconsin. I get tired of the games he is playing because it isn’t helping Wisconsin.

You might want to go back to school.

Men = plural. So unless Walker has a mental disorder approved by the American Psychological Association, you’re using the wrong quantity.

That should also be would have not be would of.

Please explain what Walker has done detrimentally to the state of WI. He’s done nothing improved job growth as is shown with his job numbers. Please stop with the Koch brothers. They’re libertarians that believe in gay marriage and legalizing marijuana I believe. So are you against gay marriage now? Sheesh.

For the people here running their little dishonest mouths defending Condi’s lies and trying to steal Obama’s place in the sun, keep up the good work. Once again your low brow ilk prove that since cons are such petty, classless dishonest little people, they can be mocked and ignored like the crackpot liars & fools most of them are, at least on this site.

jakester said:
Juarez=right wing sycophant

jakester said:
Typical right wing garbage from a typical right wing dumpster head. Sorry, but your little IDOL BUSH should get 0 credit. Funny, but since most of the barely literate irrational theocons are on your side. why do you always run your little mouth about Messiah. You post was a stupid, dishonest load of trash just like most of the other no-integrity cons here.

jakester said:
For the people here running their little dishonest mouths defending Condi’s lies and trying to steal Obama’s place in the sun, keep up the good work. Once again your low brow ilk prove that since cons are such petty, classless dishonest little people, they can be mocked and ignored like the crackpot liars & fools most of them are, at least on this site.

Talk about running one’s mouth. You’re calling others “low brow”?

You’re calling Condi a liar? Doesn’t that make you Racist? and low brow?

WCinWI said:
You might want to go back to school.

Men = plural. So unless Walker has a mental disorder approved by the American Psychological Association, you’re using the wrong quantity.

That should also be would have not be would of.

Please explain what Walker has done detrimentally to the state of WI. He’s done nothing improved job growth as is shown with his job numbers. Please stop with the Koch brothers. They’re libertarians that believe in gay marriage and legalizing marijuana I believe. So are you against gay marriage now? Sheesh.

It not very libertarian to be paid under the table to kill projects in the state. I’m a conservative and I’m not for gay marriage but, I do think they should have rights to benefits and other stuff that married couples get.

WCinWI said:
You might want to go back to school.

Men = plural. So unless Walker has a mental disorder approved by the American Psychological Association, you’re using the wrong quantity.

That should also be would have not be would of.

Please explain what Walker has done detrimentally to the state of WI. He’s done nothing improved job growth as is shown with his job numbers. Please stop with the Koch brothers. They’re libertarians that believe in gay marriage and legalizing marijuana I believe. So are you against gay marriage now? Sheesh.

Oh, by the way, I think you need a “but” between nothing and improved.

brownsound said:
Rox, it’s apparent that you’re taking your talking points from Media Matters, John Podesta and Tommy Christopher. The full explanation about disbanding that specific team was that we have the full scope of military and intelligence agencies working all aspects of the terror networks and that gathering information from all sources would be more successful than having one team working only on OBL. And guess what? He was RIGHT. We got KSM and it eventually led to OBL.

Now go get your shinebox.

“We” got KSM in 2003. The unit was disbanded in 2005. It’s better to be quiet and thought a fool, than to speak and be proven one. Just ask Justice Thomas.

BTW, Someone should tell Ms. Rice that the Bush credit card has been cancelled for non-payment.

brownsound said:
Talk about running one’s mouth. You’re calling others “low brow”?

You’re calling Condi a liar? Doesn’t that make you Racist? and low brow?

No I am not running my mouth, I am telling it as it is, which is that you and most of the cons here are stupid, ugly dishonest little people. As far as calling Condi a liar, no, it doesn’t make me a racist, it makes me honest. Nothing is more hypocritical, dishonest and contemptible than your shabby right wing political correctness. But since you brought it up, if I am a racist for calling her a liar because she is black, then you and the rest of the barely literate right wing ambulatory colostomy bags here are racists too for your incessant and baseless slander of Obama, who is black.too.

Let the ( D ) baggers attempt to steal George Bush’s righful place in history as the president that truly made it possible for the next guy to pretend he alone ended the life of the al Qaeda leader that orderered the murder of all those people back on the fateful September morning, already ten years past.

Obama will still ‘ go down in infamy ‘ as not only the worst president in this countries long history, but the worst person to ever land on our shores and wreak so much havoc.

Reganesque, you’re right. Bush didn’t get him. And neither did Clinton. If Bush failed, so did Clinton. As for the rest of your comments, blow it out your ass.

The pedestal for he himself keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger. What a bunch of lefty tools/fools.

Yup, the worst President in history…l.the one who slandered the CIA who got the info to get Osama.

History will get it right – Obama is nothing but an empty suit. Bring on 2012.

Amazing self delusion among Republicans —

The Iraq disaster — NOT Bushy-Boys fault.
Capturing Bin Laden — Bush gets credit

Everything that went wrong 2001-2009 = Clinton’s fault
Depression of 2008-2009 = Obama’s fault

WCinWI said:
If you’d like to link to Media Matters talking points, then go to Media Matters. There is no need for linking to a liberal rag site such as the one linked.

Nothing like refuting facts with, well…nothing!

TfT said:
The pedestal for he himself keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger. What a bunch of lefty tools/fools.

Yup, the worst President in history…l.the one who slandered the CIA who got the info to get Osama.

History will get it right – Obama is nothing but an empty suit. Bring on 2012.

More like you are an empty head, but you are in good company here.

ndanielson said:
NOW YOU KNOW WHY YOUR SIDE IS SO IGNORANT. YOU AVOID THE TRUTH LIKE THE PLAQUE. ARE YOU RELATED TO BLUEBONNET?

Plaque? Yes, it is good to avoid plaque. Ruins your teeth and gums.

jim bronson 990cc said:
Nothing like refuting facts with, well…nothing!

Amen, every time the right wing trash here starts whining about media bias or attacking the story’s writer or anchor, you know they are doing that because it is a good way to deflect away from a story and facts that run counter to their very little FOX-Dittohead universe. It is like a child sticking his fingers in his ears so he won’t have to hear the bad news.

One question the left hasn’t addressed. If Bush was doing absolutely nothing, why did Bin Laden go into hiding after 9/11?

Pablo said:
That is some high grade lunacy there, bunky.

yes, you and the rest of the barely literate lying scum who are trying to steal Obama’s credit and give it to some phony, braindead, WASPY east coast elitist. I thought all you baggers abandoned Bush anyways?

Fox News is like Conservapedia – designed to deliberately misinform gullible know-nothings.

writer said:
Reganesque, you’re right. Bush didn’t get him. And neither did Clinton. If Bush failed, so did Clinton. As for the rest of your comments, blow it out your ass.

So then, to follow your incredible lack of critical thinking skills, if Bush deserves credit, so does Clinton. Where are your calls for Clinton’s credit, then, you ignorant fool? And Clinton didn’t leave intelligence on the table like Bush did in Tora Bora nor did he ignore intelligence titled ‘Bin Laden determined to strike in the US’ in the summer of 2001. You can’t address any of that, though, because you can’t be intellectually honest or think for yourself.

And I’d tell you to blow that out of your ass but you don’t know your ass from your elbow, quite clearly.

Dumbass, I never said Bush deserves all the credit, and Obama certainly deserves credit. But isn’t it true that while you’re bashing Bush for not getting Bin Laden, Clinton wasn’t able to get him either? And again, if Bush was doing nothing at all, why’d Bin Laden bother to hide?

WCinWI said:
The pollsters would like to know why there’s not such a “united” feeling amongst the country? Perhaps the “unwashed” amongst us are sick and tired of being spit upon by a liberal press. Just saying. :)

No dishonest people like you with your trademarked low mental capacity & monumental self pity deserve to be spit upon for your incessant mindless crap you spew and believe in. If you don’t know what you are talking about, maybe you should shut up? It would take a little longer for someone to realize that you are a typical stupid little con.

writer said:
Dumbass, I never said Bush deserves all the credit, and Obama certainly deserves credit. But isn’t it true that while you’re bashing Bush for not getting Bin Laden, Clinton wasn’t able to get him either? And again, if Bush was doing nothing at all, why’d Bin Laden bother to hide?

Hmm, how did Clinton get into the mix? Who is trying to give him any credit?

writer said:
Dumbass, I never said Bush deserves all the credit, and Obama certainly deserves credit. But isn’t it true that while you’re bashing Bush for not getting Bin Laden, Clinton wasn’t able to get him either? And again, if Bush was doing nothing at all, why’d Bin Laden bother to hide?

THAT was hiding? Bush gave up. UBL knew it. He built a nice compound in a secure town and relaxed.
To quote Jon Stewart, “He wasn’t hiding, he was chilling!”

Bush does deserve credit, but Obama deserves the lion’s share of the credit. Bush increased human intelligence services that helped to lead to the identity of the courier. However, Bush took the bulk of the assets from the military including the intelligence services from the Afghanistan/Pakistan theater into Iraq beginning in 2002. The hunt for Al Qaeda and defeating the Taliban in Afghanistan became a far less important priority. People forget that Iraq beginning in the fall of 2003 when the civil war gained major strength became the greatest foreign policy disaster since the Vietnam War. Afghanistan and the pursuit of Al Qaeda was thrust into the background as all hands were on deck in Iraq. As General Petraeus stated in 2010 upon announcement of Obama’s plans in Afghanistan “this is the first real strategy for Afghanistan in the last ten years.” Quite a harsh indictment of the Bush administration.
The largest blow to the claim that Bush deserves much or more credit to catching Bin Laden was the closing of the CIA center in 2006 working around the clock in the pursuit of Bin Laden. Far fewer personnel were dispatched to apprehend Bin Laden from this point forward until early 2009 when Obama instructed Leon Panetta at the CIA to make it the number one foreign policy priority. Whether it was Bush’s direct fault or not Bush failed in the only real opportunity before 2010 in catching Bin Laden. That is when US forces refused to seal off the eastern side of Tora Bora allowing Bin Laden and other senior operatives to slip freely into Pakistan. Historians will justifiably judge Bush harshly over blowing this priceless opportunity at Tora Bora. Bush made a lot of gutsy calls as the self-proclaimed “decider” on national security issues. I think it’s a very fair criticism to question the intelligence behind a lot of his decision making including the pursuit of Al Qaeda and Bin Laden. George Bush and Condoleeza Rice not to mention Donald Rumsfeld, Andrew Card among others have a very selective memory over what they would like the public to remember over matters of national security.
The sign of a great man or woman is not one who can accept their accomplishments and strengths, but rather their weaknesses and failures. None of these people have the moral fiber to pass this test in my judgment. I have very little respect for any of these people. As it directly relates to the hunt of Bin Laden here are just a few reminders of events that they would like to forget because it fails to burnish their pride and legacy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A62618-2002Apr16

I’ll try once more. Obama gets the credit. I’m not giving it to Bush. And if Bush let Bin Laden get away at Tora Bora, he screwed up. The only thing I’m arguing against is so many of the left’s posts that say Bush ‘did nothing.’ No matter how much you hate the man, he did absolutely nothing? Really?

writer said:
I’ll try once more. Obama gets the credit. I’m not giving it to Bush. And if Bush let Bin Laden get away at Tora Bora, he screwed up. The only thing I’m arguing against is so many of the left’s posts that say Bush ‘did nothing.’ No matter how much you hate the man, he did absolutely nothing? Really?

Hmm, didn’t Obama invited Bush to attend? Most rational people will give W some credit. But what is contemptible is the way you slam the lefties here while ignoring the far more numerous righties here who haven’t slacked off one bit in their incessant attacks on Obama, to the point of denying him any credit.

I don’t speak for all the ‘righties’. And while not all have slacked off on Obama, quite a few have. At least for this occasion. If it’s wrong to never give Obama any credit for anything, it’s equally wrong to never give Bush any. And many of your ‘lefties’ refuse to do that. You start knocking them, then you’ll have room to talk.

writer said:
I don’t speak for all the ‘righties’.

Interesting double standard that you got there because you hold anyone from the left responsible for any and all comments made by anyone you deem is on the left.

Interesting James, that I clearly said ‘many’ lefties, and you say I said it about them all. I mean, the post is right there above you.

She [Rice] was probably the worst national security advisor in modern times since the office was created.”- David Kay

I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall in a room of Navy Seals reading this:

But he made that decision to go without telling Pakistan and that took some real courage, as much courage as our Navy SEALs did in pulling off a near flawless operation.

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2011/05/07/wendy-chamberlain-obama-was-just-as-courageous-as-the-seals/

I’ll bet they’d have an opinion on which took more guts.

writer said:
Interesting James, that I clearly said ‘many’ lefties, and you say I said it about them all. I mean, the post is right there above you.

What you say and what you do are always two seperate things. Whenever someone from the left calls you out on your BS, you hold them responsible for any comment ever made by anyone on the left. One standard for you and the right and another standard for the left.

As do you for anyone on the right, James. What’s your point?

writer said:
As do you for anyone on the right, James. What’s your point?

There you go again. I’ve never held you responsible for anything anyone else on the right has said, ever. I’ve only held you responsible for your own comments. Yet you have always held me responsible for statements made by others on the left. That’s the double standard.

James, again, go back up. I said ‘many’ on the left do that. Not all. So by twisting my words when the post is clearly right there for all to see, that’s your double standard.

writer said:
James, again, go back up. I said ‘many’ on the left do that. Not all. So by twisting my words when the post is clearly right there for all to see, that’s your double standard.

I’m commenting on your past behavior in which you have held those on the left responsible for comments made by others on the left. You may say one thing now but you acted differently in the past.

Liberal Tormentor said:
I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall in a room of Navy Seals reading this:

But he made that decision to go without telling Pakistan and that took some real courage, as much courage as our Navy SEALs did in pulling off a near flawless operation.

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2011/05/07/wendy-chamberlain-obama-was-just-as-courageous-as-the-seals/

I’ll bet they’d have an opinion on which took more guts.

Hot air, yes, you are full of it. It’s usually your type who wrap themselves up with other’s military glory. One thing I am sure of, the Seals aren’t toasting Bush or Condi.

James, jakester implied I don’t go after posters on the right the same way I do those on the left. Sure won’t deny that. I just pointed out to him the same thing I’ve pointed out to you in the past. If you expect me to start criticizing posters on the right, it’s only fair you start doing it to those on the left. Next time I see you attacking a leftie poster, James, I’ll go after one on the right. Kumbahyah!

writer said:
James, jakester implied I don’t go after posters on the right the same way I do those on the left. Sure won’t deny that. I just pointed out to him the same thing I’ve pointed out to you in the past. If you expect me to start criticizing posters on the right, it’s only fair you start doing it to those on the left. Next time I see you attacking a leftie poster, James, I’ll go after one on the right. Kumbahyah!

Total BS as usual. How about just holding an individual, and yourself, responsible for their own comments and stop playing this game of diverson & distraction whenever your BS is pointed out.

James, you’re full of it. When have you seen me attacking Magister for something RRK said? When have you seen me going after Chili for something BFD said? Your total lies make any more discussion moot.

writer said:
James, you’re full of it. When have you seen me attacking Magister for something RRK said? When have you seen me going after Chili for something BFD said? Your total lies make any more discussion moot.

You’ve held me responsible for many things that RRK said, despite the fact I don’t know the guy. You know that is true.

Okay, James. The archives are waiting. Pull up the quote.

writer said:
I’ll try once more. Obama gets the credit. I’m not giving it to Bush. And if Bush let Bin Laden get away at Tora Bora, he screwed up. The only thing I’m arguing against is so many of the left’s posts that say Bush ‘did nothing.’ No matter how much you hate the man, he did absolutely nothing? Really?

Would i make you fell better if I just said Bush did nothing useful? I can live with that.

Whatever floats your boat, Glacky.

jakester said:
yes, you and the rest of the barely literate lying scum who are trying to steal Obama’s credit and give it to some phony, braindead, WASPY east coast elitist.

Obama should get Lifelock. But I thought Bush was a Texan.

WillP said:
However, Bush took the bulk of the assets from the military including the intelligence services from the Afghanistan/Pakistan theater into Iraq beginning in 2002.

No, he didn’t. But he did kill a shitload of al-Qaeda in Iraq.

jakester said:
Hmm, how did Clinton get into the mix? Who is trying to give him any credit?

It’s clear that Writer was trying to muddy the waters. Not to mention then having the nerve to call other people dumb that rightfully called it out for the game it was.

writer said:
I’ll try once more. Obama gets the credit. I’m not giving it to Bush. And if Bush let Bin Laden get away at Tora Bora, he screwed up. The only thing I’m arguing against is so many of the left’s posts that say Bush ‘did nothing.’ No matter how much you hate the man, he did absolutely nothing? Really?

Well this is at least somewhat rational by comparison. I am not remotely on the left. I just am able to face W. Bush’s presidency honestly rather than having a partisan head in the sand. I also don’t see a majority of comments that W. Bush did absolutely nothing and that once again appears to be a tactic since there are very specific comments being made about the negative impact of 1) Tora Bora, 2) Closing the CIA bin Laden center and 3) Not having a strong response to intelligence that declared that bin Laden was determined to strike in the US in the Summer of 2001. And if you want to W. Bush to have some credit, you’ll have to make a thoughtful, rational case for positives that outweigh 1, 2, and 3 for rational people of any political leaning to get on board.

writer said:
Interesting James, that I clearly said ‘many’ lefties, and you say I said it about them all. I mean, the post is right there above you.

Honestly, this is more game playing. If you don’t want people categorized and don’t like partisanship, stop doing it/being it yourself. It is a small difference whether you put a many in front of it or not. You act the way you demand others not act and that’s the height of hypocrisy. I’m a Republican and did and will not vote for Obama, but there are unfair partisan comments here toward him and, if you want to be honest about extreme partisanship, address both equally. Otherwise you are the living personification of the partisanship you claim to abhor and a dishonest hypocrite.

Michael Moore has been bitching about the way Obama handled the Bin Laden operation. Is he now one of those right wing scum? And Cheney was recently praising Obama. Is he now on the left? As Charlton Heston said, “It’s a madhouse!”

writer said:
As Charlton Heston said, “It’s a madhouse!”

Racist.

writer said:
Okay, James. The archives are waiting. Pull up the quote.

Here’s one example:

writer said:
James is not outraged when the King refers to ‘crackers’. After all, he could be talking about Ritz, or Grahams, or saltines, or anything.

Here’s another:

writer said:
Yep. James will be all over that remark about the King moving to Europe.

Two examples of you holding me responsible for someone else’s comment. I can provide more if you like.

I knew they were there James. Wanted to see if I could get you to look. Sure I said that stuff to you. After you were saying I should show outrage at the things some right wingers were saying. And I was pointing out to you that you never show outrage at what the farthest of the far left are saying. (RRK) We’ve been through all this before. So let’s start fresh. From now on, when you criticize a left wing poster, I’ll criticize one on the right. Can’t be more fair than that.

She is doing what all the Bushies are doing and it looks a little desperate and pathetic.

writer said:
I knew they were there James. Wanted to see if I could get you to look. Sure I said that stuff to you. After you were saying I should show outrage at the things some right wingers were saying. And I was pointing out to you that you never show outrage at what the farthest of the far left are saying. (RRK) We’ve been through all this before. So let’s start fresh. From now on, when you criticize a left wing poster, I’ll criticize one on the right. Can’t be more fair than that.

Please! I’ve never held you accountable for anything another poster said. I’ve only held you accountable for what you’ve said. Yet you routinely play your game of divert and distract by making me (and others on the left) accountable for anything any other poster from the left has said rather than be a man and own up to your own comments. If you want fair, you can hold me accountable for what I say and I’ll hold you accountable for what you say and we leave everyone else out of it.

Reaganesque said:
Honestly, this is more game playing. If you don’t want people categorized and don’t like partisanship, stop doing it/being it yourself. It is a small difference whether you put a many in front of it or not. You act the way you demand others not act and that’s the height of hypocrisy. I’m a Republican and did and will not vote for Obama, but there are unfair partisan comments here toward him and, if you want to be honest about extreme partisanship, address both equally. Otherwise you are the living personification of the partisanship you claim to abhor and a dishonest hypocrite.

You nailed him!

Blah, blah, blah. Same old crap. I have ‘double standards’ when I side with the right wingers, but you don’t when you side with the left wingers. That’s what I’ve argued in the past and what you’ll never admit to. But fine. When you and I ‘converse’, no other names shall be mentioned.

Reganesque, why do I doubt you were ever a Republican? But I digress. On many posts, I’ve praised Obama to the high heavens for getting Bin Laden. But that’s not good enough. I must also have your seething hatred of George Bush and make sure to never say one kind word about him. Then you claim to be non-partisan. As I told James, when I see you critiquing some of the leftist comments, I’ll be the first to admit that you’re walking the walk.

writer said:
Blah, blah, blah. Same old crap. I have ‘double standards’ when I side with the right wingers, but you don’t when you side with the left wingers. That’s what I’ve argued in the past and what you’ll never admit to. But fine. When you and I ‘converse’, no other names shall be mentioned.

When have I ever sided with “left wingers” as you put it? You keep on making these strawman arguments to divert and distract.

As I said, James, a fresh start. I’ll be watching for your totally non-partisan example so I’ll know how to do it.

writer said:
As I told James, when I see you critiquing some of the leftist comments, I’ll be the first to admit that you’re walking the walk.

Why does he have to critique anyone else’s comments? Why does he or anyone have to comply with your rules? You said:

writer said:
I don’t speak for all the ‘righties’.

And no one is asking you to speak for all the ‘righties’. But stop requiring anyone who disagrees with you to speak for all on the left.

jakester said:
No I am not running my mouth, I am telling it as it is, which is that you and most of the cons here are stupid, ugly dishonest little people. As far as calling Condi a liar, no, it doesn’t make me a racist, it makes me honest. Nothing is more hypocritical, dishonest and contemptible than your shabby right wing political correctness. But since you brought it up, if I am a racist for calling her a liar because she is black, then you and the rest of the barely literate right wing ambulatory colostomy bags here are racists too for your incessant and baseless slander of Obama, who is black.too.

You missed the irony didn’t you smart guy? YOUR LIBERAL POLITICAL CORRECTNESS is what I was mocking. Your whole movement has been trying to smear any critic of 0bama as a racist since day one. Too f’ing funny

writer said:
As I said, James, a fresh start. I’ll be watching for your totally non-partisan example so I’ll know how to do it.

Who said anyone needs to be non-partisan? I never did. You keep trying to change the argument to divert and distract.

Glackin said:
“We” got KSM in 2003. The unit was disbanded in 2005. It’s better to be quiet and thought a fool, than to speak and be proven one. Just ask Justice Thomas.

BTW, Someone should tell Ms. Rice that the Bush credit card has been cancelled for non-payment.

And “we” got KSM through other means than the Bin Laden special unit. Thanks for proving my (GWB’s) point.

James, think about it. Reganesque was accusing me of being ‘partisan’. So if I’m doing a bad thing by being partisan, I merely ask that you and he show me what it’s like to be non-partisan. I promise I’ll watch and take notes. Lead by example.

Honestly, this is more game playing. If you don’t want people categorized and don’t like partisanship, stop doing it/being it yourself.

See, James. A direct quote from Reganesque. He doesn’t want me being partisan. So how can I learn to be non-partisan when no one will provide the example? Someone step up.

writer said:
James, think about it. Reganesque was accusing me of being ‘partisan’. So if I’m doing a bad thing by being partisan, I merely ask that you and he show me what it’s like to be non-partisan. I promise I’ll watch and take notes. Lead by example.

No he was calling you out on your double standard of criticizing others for being partisan while being partisan yourself. As always, instead of owning up to your own bull, you play silly games to divert and distract.

jakester said:
yes, you and the rest of the barely literate lying scum who are trying to steal Obama’s credit and give it to some phony, braindead, WASPY east coast elitist. I thought all you baggers abandoned Bush anyways?

What exactly did 0bama do to deserve any credit? Approve an operation to kill enemy number 1? Wow, that took some ‘nads. Who wouldn’t approve it? Other than, perhaps, 0bama? Is he supposed to get credit for not being the indecisive, lead-from-behind, wuss that he’s been up until last Sunday? You guys are too much.

I’ll give him credit for changing up his typical routine, that’s all. And if there wasn’t something for him to gain, politically, I’m not sure he would have done it at all.

I’m a “bagger”? How does my sack taste?

But James, if I’m definitely on the right, and you guys are choosing to go after me, aren’t you being partisan when you’re doing that?

writer said:
Honestly, this is more game playing. If you don’t want people categorized and don’t like partisanship, stop doing it/being it yourself.

See, James. A direct quote from Reganesque. He doesn’t want me being partisan. So how can I learn to be non-partisan when no one will provide the example? Someone step up.

The point is not partisanship. The point is your double standard and your game playing.

writer said:
But James, if I’m definitely on the right, and you guys are choosing to go after me, aren’t you being partisan when you’re doing that?

Since we are going after you for your hypocrisy, I would say that it is non-partisan.

I get it, James. You guys going after me is pure coincidence. Our political views have nothing to do with it, because you’re totally non-partisan, have no double standards about which posters you criticize, and are generally the salt of the earth. I think I’ve made the right choice in whose example to follow.

writer said:
I get it, James. You guys going after me is pure coincidence. Our political views have nothing to do with it, because you’re totally non-partisan, have no double standards about which posters you criticize, and are generally the salt of the earth. I think I’ve made the right choice in whose example to follow.

As usual, distort and distract instead of being a man and taking responsibility for your own actions. How sad and pathetic.

Damn, James. I’ve said from now on, you’re the benchmark I’m following. No need to keep spiking the ball.

JamesA1102 said:
As usual, distort and distract instead of being a man and taking responsibility for your own actions. How sad and pathetic.

What’s sad and pathetic is you claiming not be partisan….. while your avatar is the Democrat Party logo.

Shhhh. You’re not supposed to remind him of things like that.

Pablo said:
Obama should get Lifelock. But I thought Bush was a Texan.

When was the last time you had a thought?
Grandpa Bush was a US Senator from Conn. for one term.
His father lived in Texas to run the family oil business.
Bush went to Phillips Andover, one of the most elite prep schools in New England.
The truth is, Bush is “all hat and no cattle.”
BTW, his granddad was a principle backer of Planned Parenthood.

Here’s your chance, James. We’re all counting on you.

OOps! Gramps served two terms. My bad.

brownsound said:
What’s sad and pathetic is you claiming not be partisan….. while your avatar is the Democrat Party logo.

I never claimed not to be partisan. Just not a hypocrite like you.

H

Glackin said:
OOps! Gramps served two terms. My bad.

How many terms did Robert Byrd serve as grand dragon?

writer said:
Here’s your chance, James. We’re all counting on you.

There you go again. Making me responsible for someone else’s comments when you said:

writer said:
I don’t speak for all the ‘righties’.

Yet you are unwilling to apply the same standard to those who disagree with you.

JamesA1102 said:
I never claimed not to be partisan. Just not a hypocrite like you.

Show me my hypocrisy smart guy. A liberal calling someone else a hypocrite is the height of hilarity.

My mentor has a chink in his armor.

Glackin said:
When was the last time you had a thought?
Grandpa Bush was a US Senator from Conn. for one term.
His father lived in Texas to run the family oil business.
Bush went to Phillips Andover, one of the most elite prep schools in New England.
The truth is, Bush is “all hat and no cattle.”
BTW, his granddad was a principle backer of Planned Parenthood.

Was there something you wanted to tell me, Joey?

brownsound said:
Show me my hypocrisy smart guy. A liberal calling someone else a hypocrite is the height of hilarity.

I’m sorry. I though I was responding to writer. You have my apologies.

writer said:
My mentor has a chink in his armor.

What chink? I own up to my mistakes like a man. Why don’t you?

James, I didn’t say you were responsible. I just wanted you to show us how to have no double standards in the posters you choose to criticize.

writer said:
James, I didn’t say you were responsible. I just wanted you to show us how to have no double standards in the posters you choose to criticize.

The posters I choose to criticize is my choice. I don’t have to comply to your rules of conduct especially when you don’t adhere to them yourself. You said:

writer said:
I don’t speak for all the ‘righties’.

Why do you still refuse to hold others to the standard you want to be held to yourself?

James, you said “When have I ever sided with left wingers?” (Preceding page) Then you go on to quote Reganesque’s attack on me and say “You nailed him.” Does that count?

writer said:
James, you said “When have I ever sided with left wingers?” (Preceding page) Then you go on to quote Reganesque’s attack on me and say “You nailed him.” Does that count?

Oh I’m not allowed to agree with someone either? And Reganesque is a republican so your whole argument just flamed out.

writer said:
James, you said “When have I ever sided with left wingers?” (Preceding page) Then you go on to quote Reganesque’s attack on me and say “You nailed him.” Does that count?

And yet again you try to change the subject to divert and distract rather than take responsiblity for your own actions like a man.

Yeah, a guy who gets angry at the least mention of George Bush is a Republican. James, I’ve changed my mind about you being my mentor. You’re such a super hypocrite, no way I could ever equal it. And now, I’ve spotted RRK on another thread. This has been fun, but I’m off to go be non-partisan with him.

writer said:
Yeah, a guy who gets angry at the least mention of George Bush is a Republican. James, I’ve changed my mind about you being my mentor. You’re such a super hypocrite, no way I could ever equal it. And now, I’ve spotted RRK on another thread. This has been fun, but I’m off to go be non-partisan with him.

So you’re saying that all Republicans should be mindless Bush supporters?

But you still haven’t answered my question, rather you’ve spent many posts avoiding it. You said:

writer said:
I don’t speak for all the ‘righties’.

Why do you still refuse to hold others to the same standard you want to be held to?

JamesA1102 said:
So you’re saying that all Republicans should be mindless Bush supporters?

But you still haven’t answered my question, rather you’ve spent many posts avoiding it. You said:

Why do you still refuse to hold others to the same standard you want to be held to?

Shuuuuuuuuush already.Sheesh, you’re worse than an old wash woman. Oh, and you missed a spot over here, no there, just a little to your left.

writer said:
Yeah, a guy who gets angry at the least mention of George Bush is a Republican. James, I’ve changed my mind about you being my mentor. You’re such a super hypocrite, no way I could ever equal it. And now, I’ve spotted RRK on another thread. This has been fun, but I’m off to go be non-partisan with him.

I have specific criticisms of W. Bush which does not make me not a Republican, you ignorant toad. It means I think for myself. And the fact that you are incapable of that, proves both your ignorance and your blind partisanship.

And how dare you call other people hypocrites when you are the supreme hypocrite and partisans when you are the supreme partisan.

Oh, but then they aren’t partisan enough if they actually think for themselves.

You are ignorant game playing trash.

Oh lord just give Bush some credit I dont care as long as you people stop crying about it. How much would you like 0 to 25% , 26% to 50% or more than 50%? Please tell me and I will give you whatever you want just so I dont have to listen to this anymore.

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Osama’s been sitting there doing reality shows for Al Jazeera–and we thought he was holed up in a cave?

Reganesque, you’re still a dumbass. All I originally posited was that Bush shouldn’t be totally left out of getting any credit when talking about the war on terror. Never said he got credit for Bin Laden. But in your blind partisan hatred, you couldn’t even allow that. Got your panties all in a bunch. So go say you’re a Republican to someone who believes it.

Why do you still refuse to hold others to the same standard you want to be held to?

Easy, James. Because I’m better than you. Silly question.

writer said:
Easy, James. Because I’m better than you. Silly question.

That really says it all. You think your better than me and everyone else so you don’t have to play by the same rules that you apply to everyone else. Not only are you a hypocrite, you’re an arrogant hypocrite.

JamesA1102 said:
That really says it all. You think your better than me and everyone else so you don’t have to play by the same rules that you apply to everyone else. Not only are you a hypocrite, you’re an arrogant hypocrite.

Not only are you a twit JamesA1102 , you’re an insufferable twit .

The irony here is that you can track Bin Laden’s decision to set up house in Pakistan to the exact time that Bush decided to discontinue the Bin Laden Task Force at the C.I.A. Hmmm.

writer said:
Reganesque, you’re still a dumbass. All I originally posited was that Bush shouldn’t be totally left out of getting any credit when talking about the war on terror. Never said he got credit for Bin Laden. But in your blind partisan hatred, you couldn’t even allow that. Got your panties all in a bunch. So go say you’re a Republican to someone who believes it.

I am a Republican who believes in strong national security and it is that principle that I care about not brainlessly rubber stamping everything with an R on it like a partisan toad like you. You personify partisanship and continue to insist that is others that are partisans rather than you. It’s like you’re mentally ill.

And it’s somewhat fascinating, like a case study, because I honestly don’t think I’ve ever come across anyone stupider than you, writer. I think my favorite part is how you’re a lower income piece of trash writer and you’re calling me dumbass. Well, I’m not a dirt poor writer like you which proves your ultimate stupidity, right there. Do you even have a job? Probably this is your life’s work since you seem to spend all of your time here and are known for being one of resident crazy freaks that just does this all day 24/7. Once again, mentally ill comes to mind. And definitely lower income. And positively dumbass.

Fewer lies than expected from Rice. She avoided the larger issue: if she hadn’t been so bad at her job, perhaps we wouldn’t have needed to chase Bin Laden for 9/11 at all.

Oh well, that’s just blood under the bridge.

I was irritated by her throwing the intelligence community under the bus again (“they made some mistakes”) when in truth the Bush administration deformed every intelligence assessment they received — the ones they didn’t inconveniently ignore until it was too late — to make the case for Bush’s useless Iraq war. She also pretended that Bin Laden was “top priority” up to and including the final day of the Bush Interregnum, when in actual fact they shut down the Bin Laden unit for lack of interest.

And the biggest lie of all — Bush’s Ground Zero speech, the only outcome of which was further death, destruction, shredding of America’s reputation, and degradation of American society generally by turning the country into a security state. Phony unity to help prosecute a phony war.

Heckuva job, Condi!

mediadoubt said:
I was irritated by her throwing the intelligence community under the bus again (“they made some mistakes”) when in truth the Bush administration deformed every intelligence assessment they received — the ones they didn’t inconveniently ignore until it was too late — to make the case for Bush’s useless Iraq war.

“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
–President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
–President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

“Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.”
–Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
–Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
– Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

“Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
– Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

“There is no doubt that … Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.”
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
– Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them.”
– Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
– Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
– Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…”
– Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
– Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

“He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do”
– Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
– Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real…”
– Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Tedderman said:
The irony here is that you can track Bin Laden’s decision to set up house in Pakistan to the exact time that Bush decided to discontinue the Bin Laden Task Force at the C.I.A. Hmmm.

Pakistan breaches trust, names local CIA boss

And in a further embarrassment for the ISI, it now transpires that Osama lived in village just off the town of Haripur on the Abbottabad Highway for 2-1/2 years before he moved into the new compound. That would make it at least 7-1/2 years that he lived close to urban settlements.

Pablo said:
“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
–President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
–President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

“Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.”
–Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
–Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
– Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

“Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
– Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

“There is no doubt that … Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.”
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
– Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them.”
– Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
– Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
– Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…”
– Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
– Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

“He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do”
– Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
– Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real…”
– Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Yes, Bush and his apparatchiks lied to Congress, too. And?

mediadoubt said:
Yes, Bush and his apparatchiks lied to Congress, too. And?

In 1998? Was George “Slam Dunk” Tenet, Bill Clinton’s CIA Director, one of those apparatchiks?

The ease with which you delude yourself is astounding.

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

OMG! Bush brainwashed Ted Kennedy! Probably gave him the tumor doing it!

They killed Teddy! You bastards!

Pablo said:
In 1998? Was George “Slam Dunk” Tenet, Bill Clinton’s CIA Director, one of those apparatchiks?

The ease with which you delude yourself is astounding.

That uncertainty was why they sent the UN weapons inspectors back in: to clear up misapprehensions that had been building over years. They were busily not finding any WMDs or serious programs to create them when Bush told ‘em to get their asses out cuz he had a can of “shock and awe” to unload.

Regardless of what Saddam might have wanted to do, the inspectors revealed that his ability to do a tenth of what the Bushies said he could do had eroded years previously.

That didn’t matter, of course, because Bush’s codpiece wanted a war.

mediadoubt said:
That uncertainty was why they sent the UN weapons inspectors back in: to clear up misapprehensions that had been building over years.

What uncertainty? I didn’t mention any uncertainty. I asked you if Bush apparatchiks lied to Congress in 1998 and whether Tenet was one of them. Focus.

tws258 said:
Not only are you a twit JamesA1102 , you’re an insufferable twit .

I consider your disapproval a badge of honor!

mediadoubt said:
Fewer lies than expected from Rice. She avoided the larger issue: if she hadn’t been so bad at her job, perhaps we wouldn’t have needed to chase Bin Laden for 9/11 at all.

Oh well, that’s just blood under the bridge.

I was irritated by her throwing the intelligence community under the bus again (“they made some mistakes”) when in truth the Bush administration deformed every intelligence assessment they received — the ones they didn’t inconveniently ignore until it was too late — to make the case for Bush’s useless Iraq war. She also pretended that Bin Laden was “top priority” up to and including the final day of the Bush Interregnum, when in actual fact they shut down the Bin Laden unit for lack of interest.

And the biggest lie of all — Bush’s Ground Zero speech, the only outcome of which was further death, destruction, shredding of America’s reputation, and degradation of American society generally by turning the country into a security state. Phony unity to help prosecute a phony war.

Heckuva job, Condi!

That irritation you’re feeling,…..it’s not Dr. Rice’s fault silly. Maybe try changing your diaper more than once per day because you’re definitly full of shit. A dab of ointment you’ll be good as……come on we’re talking about YOU here.

Pablo said:
What uncertainty? I didn’t mention any uncertainty. I asked you if Bush apparatchiks lied to Congress in 1998 and whether Tenet was one of them. Focus.

Duh. Bush’s apparatchiks started lying soon after the soft coup stage-managed by the Supreme Court installed him in the White House, not before. Statements you cited prior to Bush’s usurpation indicate the level of uncertainty surrounding Iraq’s capability during the last years of the Clinton presidency.

And yet, despite all that uncertainty (much of which was in the process of being cleared up prior to Bush shutting it down — and remember, the inspectors went in under UN authority because the world body was trying to get Saddam to reveal his actual capability) Clinton, curiously, never saw it necessary to invade. Just a pussy, I guess.

Barack Must Go said:
That irritation you’re feeling,…..it’s not Dr. Rice’s fault silly. Maybe try changing your diaper more than once per day because you’re definitly full of shit. A dab of ointment you’ll be good as……come on we’re talking about YOU here.

Your use of toilet jokes was completely unexpected and is rhetorically devastating. I definitely feel bested, because what’s more incisive during a discussion about the historical implications of political choices than to shout “You’re a stinky poo-poo!”

Well played.

mediadoubt said:
Statements you cited prior to Bush’s usurpation indicate the level of uncertainty surrounding Iraq’s capability during the last years of the Clinton presidency.

Which statements indicate uncertainty? This one?

“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
–Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

Nope. Maybe this one?

“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

Nope. What statements?

mediadoubt said:
Your use of toilet jokes was completely unexpected and is rhetorically devastating. I definitely feel bested, because what’s more incisive during a discussion about the historical implications of political choices than to shout “You’re a stinky poo-poo!”

Well played.

………but you are, as you’ve succinctly stated ” a stinky poo – poo “.

It’s bad enough you play dress up here everyday. Spewing crap from your mouth while obviously pleasuring yourself.

Now you’ve begun assaulting us from both ends with this diaper issue.

Why can’t you just change it, it’s spends most of the day down around your ankles as it is.

Don’t just pull it back up when you’ve finished, wipe and grab for a new one. Is that really too much to ask?……really.

Reganesque, love how you assume to know all about me, but get so miffed when I turn the tables. Okay, here’s some more. You post as a left winger, but insist you’re a Republican. You’re too stupid to even know which party to belong to. And if you’re such a good Republican, why’d you get so angry when all I said was that Bush should get a little credit for the war on terror? But like any good leftie, the more I tweak you the angrier you get. Amuses me greatly.

And James, no, I’m not better than everyone. But you, certainly.

Pablo said:
Which statements indicate uncertainty? This one? Nope. Maybe this one? Nope. What statements?

Unfortunately, this will probably be the last post on this subject, since Mediadoubt will probably have to leave and go elsewhere now.

Indidently, I watched several specials on the NatGeo channel over the weekend regarding Bin Ladin, terror, and one in particular on Saddam’s reign of terror. I will freely admit that during his late 80′s attacks on his own people, I was young and paid no attention to the goings on around the world. Needless to say, seeing this graphic special was a shock to me and made me very glad the world is rid of that man today.

BTW, Reganesque, calling people poor white trash when you get angry is definitely a left wing thing. If you’re going to pretend to be a Republican, you need lots more practice.

I must admit # 43 did his job by starting the hunt for Bin Laden , he just ran out time and couldn’t finish the job because he had to go to war else where, so Ms. Rice just need to settle herself down and enjoy the ride, because rode with them for eight year’s

Reaganesque said:
I have specific criticisms of W. Bush which does not make me not a Republican, you ignorant toad. It means I think for myself. And the fact that you are incapable of that, proves both your ignorance and your blind partisanship.

And how dare you call other people hypocrites when you are the supreme hypocrite and partisans when you are the supreme partisan.

Oh, but then they aren’t partisan enough if they actually think for themselves.

You are ignorant game playing trash.

Yeah but you undercut your own argument by resorting to name calling, when you run out of an argument you call people names.

I remember when George W. Bush washed his hands of Bin Laden on national television. He said “I don’t know where Bin Laden is and I’m not thinking about Bin Laden…” He even got his men to lie and start a war with Iraq to run away from the Bin Laden memory. Now that Obama, and his crew did what George Bush and his men couldn’t, or wouldn’t do, they’re trying to give Bush the credit. How asinine is that?

Pablo said:
“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
–President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
–President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

“Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.”
–Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
–Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
– Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

“Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
– Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

“There is no doubt that … Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.”
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
– Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them.”
– Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
– Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
– Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…”
– Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
– Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

“He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do”
– Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
– Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real…”
– Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

All of the above quotes were before the weapons inspectors had finished their search. Hans Blix and David Kay both told the Bush adminstration there were no WMD, they Bush admin. knew this and went to Congress and the American people and lied. The quotes above were based on faulty intelligence and why would any of the people in the above quotes doubt that the Bush admistration wasn’t being truthful in the run up to the war.

The quotes from the Clinton adminstration were also said before any of them actually knew what Saddam still had. Which turns out was nothing.

Also worth noting that the WMD that Saddam did use on his own people were given to him by us.

Edith Massey said:
All of the above quotes were before the weapons inspectors had finished their search.

Yes, there was no complete inspection until Saddam was removed, despite 12 years of trying. Very good.

Hans Blix and David Kay both told the Bush adminstration there were no WMD, they Bush admin.

No, neither man made any such statement before the invasion. Kay said that after, but not before. He said quite the opposite in the run up.

Edith Massey said:
Also worth noting that the WMD that Saddam did use on his own people were given to him by us.

That is also a lie. Name the WMD we gave him.

Condi…you better check your email…read that memo from the justice dept…rumsfeld read his, that’s why he spent time on the Sunday shows backtracking like a mofo from the statements he had been making all week…Holder reminded him that Bush didn’t give anybody but himself executive immunity when he left office….He left the rest of you out there to fry…Holder told him that President Obama was lying when he said he didn’t want to look back to the past and suddenly decided to turn the prosecution dogs loose on the republicans, so Condi instead of pretending that torture isn’t a crime you may want to wake the hell up and stop admitting to it…the media has nothing to lose by supporting torture but you damn sure do…your future indictment is just another story to them…Condi you already owe us 20 to life right now…..don’t make it worse by going on TV and bragging about the crimes you and Bush committed..otherwise you may wind up giving piano lessons to fellow inmates

writer said:
And James, no, I’m not better than everyone. But you, certainly.

I bet you feel the same way about anyone who will quote you verbatim:

writer said:
I don’t speak for all the ‘righties’.

And ask you why you hold anyone who disagrees with you to a higher standard then you want to be held to yourself.

Hee, hee.

JamesA1102 said:
I consider your disapproval a badge of honor!

I wouldn’t expect your ego to allow you any other interpretation .

She is a war criminal along with George W. and wackos.they are all Republicants, because they can’t get their lies together and spout total nonsense..

writer said:
Reganesque, love how you assume to know all about me, but get so miffed when I turn the tables. Okay, here’s some more. You post as a left winger, but insist you’re a Republican. You’re too stupid to even know which party to belong to. And if you’re such a good Republican, why’d you get so angry when all I said was that Bush should get a little credit for the war on terror? But like any good leftie, the more I tweak you the angrier you get. Amuses me greatly.

I always vote Republican because I want the Estate Tax repealed. Of course, as a poor piece of trash writer, you have no idea what that is about and you prove it by carrying on your life’s work as an Internet troll. I feel sorry for your family, if you have one, to get stuck with a p!ss poor provider like you. I am not a leftie, so call me that all you want. You only continue to prove your own stupidity and make even less income by being able to take on far fewer 2 cents per page writing jobs. And that amuses me more than a dirt poor piece of trash like you could ever know because you have no idea what it is like to actually have wealth.

Tcopper said:
I remember when George W. Bush washed his hands of Bin Laden on national television. He said “I don’t know where Bin Laden is and I’m not thinking about Bin Laden…” He even got his men to lie and start a war with Iraq to run away from the Bin Laden memory. Now that Obama, and his crew did what George Bush and his men couldn’t, or wouldn’t do, they’re trying to give Bush the credit. How asinine is that?

And of course you jumped on that, spinning it to mean that Bush no longer was looking. What he is saying/was saying was he had it covered by the thousands who were looking and he was prosecuting the war on terror. The hunt for OBL never stopped and if it had, Obama would not have found him either, it would have been left up to the next Man in Office after Obama. Obama has a big mouth, makes all kinds of statements and claims that quickly have to be revised,. changed, just dropped and or they hope just go away. The world is mostly happy he killed OBL, as I am, but NO He does not get, did not earn a tenth of the credit he is taking. As for his risk taking, it was not the lives of American Elite Soldiers he was worried about, it was the re-election game he was playing and he risked it all hoping to win this way cause he has lost in every other way possible. AND this killing of OBL is not going to get him elected, this country is more than that, stands for more than that. We need jobs, we need spending cut by 2/3 s at least. If he cant do that, he cant be president.

roxsteady said:
I’ll take that as a no. You have no comment on Bush saying he wasn’t spending time worrying about Bin Laden yet, you’re all trying to give him credit. You’ve all invested in an administration (Bush) that proved itself to be incompetent. At least you have that in common.

Bush is more than incompetent, he is a war criminal along with Rice and all the other toadies in his administration. 18 months before he went into Iraq, he made it very clear to his political supporters that he intended to finish what Daddy couldn’t. The man is no more than a malignant narcissist and sociopath. He should be put before a firing squad and executed in a public square for the whole world to see.

America should take care of all of its own war criminals with a death sentence to be carried out immediately after trial on the steps. They took everyone’s rights so why should they be given any?

Hahahahahaha!!!!! Lest we forget, it was Bush’s administration that ignored the much confusing, indecipherable memo that warned about the terrorist threat months before 9/11. It was Bush who personally said he ‘didn’t give much thought to bin laden’. It was under Bush that bin laden was able to escape from Torah Bora. And to say he was tough on terror?? How far up your ass must your head be? What if Obama had been in office instead of Bush, would ya’ll still say he was ‘tough on terror’? Give me a break. Bush was as tough on terror as Chamberlain was on Hitler, or the Pope was on the Nazis. The man was so tough, instead of going all out for bin laden, he started raiding the wrong country! He must’ve thought Sadam Hussain and bin laden were the same person considering how he kept confusing even the most rudimentary of facts. Get over it, W., or shall I say Cheney were just a bunch of draft dodging wusses who had and have no repect for the military that they thought they could use them forever purpose they’re childish imaginations saw fit. They are among the most impatriotic Americans this great nation has ever had to suffer.

Like Kato and Inspector Clouseau, this is a little game the King and I have developed. He pops up under a new name (Reganesque) and while he claims to be conservative and/or Republican, surprise, he’s outraged with everything I say. No comments to anyone else. Just me. Then I pretend I don’t know it’s him and we banter for a bit. Hate to admit it, but sometimes I almost enjoy it.

But next time, King, try not to be so obvious. I mean, you hate me, you hate Bush, you side with the left wing posters, you throw out terms like ‘you’re trash’ when you get mad, and all the while you claim you’re a Republican. It’s like you’re not even trying anymore. At least make the next one less conspicuous.

aether said:
Hahahahahaha!!!!! Lest we forget, it was Bush’s administration that ignored the much confusing, indecipherable memo that warned about the terrorist threat months before 9/11. It was Bush who personally said he ‘didn’t give much thought to bin laden’. It was under Bush that bin laden was able to escape from Torah Bora. And to say he was tough on terror?? How far up your ass must your head be? What if Obama had been in office instead of Bush, would ya’ll still say he was ‘tough on terror’? Give me a break. Bush was as tough on terror as Chamberlain was on Hitler, or the Pope was on the Nazis. The man was so tough, instead of going all out for bin laden, he started raiding the wrong country! He must’ve thought Sadam Hussain and bin laden were the same person considering how he kept confusing even the most rudimentary of facts. Get over it, W., or shall I say Cheney were just a bunch of draft dodging wusses who had and have no repect for the military that they thought they could use them forever purpose they’re childish imaginations saw fit. They are among the most impatriotic Americans this great nation has ever had to suffer.

This is your brain on kool aide:

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writer said:
Like Kato and Inspector Clouseau, this is a little game the King and I have developed. He pops up under a new name (Reganesque) and while he claims to be conservative and/or Republican, surprise, he’s outraged with everything I say. No comments to anyone else. Just me. Then I pretend I don’t know it’s him and we banter for a bit. Hate to admit it, but sometimes I almost enjoy it.

And then after you and King have the foreplay banter of lovers for a bit, the two of you get it on in the back seat of your piece of trash car, which you also enjoy.

I responded to your comments because of your blatant troll stupidity. I don’t have time to respond to every idiot on the Internet but your level of ignorance stood out particularly because of how clever you think you are when you have some of the most retarded critical thinking skills I have ever seen. And you continue to prove the dumbass that you are again and again and again because you clearly couldn’t stop being this stupid if your life depended upon it. You are actually worse than I thought and you instantly stood out like lower income, worthless troll trash that thinks you’re a conservative champion except for the sad fact that my tax dollars either do or will be supporting you soon because you’re too stupid to get off your lazy ass and work.

There are clearly multiple people here that come to these comment sections just to laugh at your clueless ignorance and all the while you fancy yourself the princess at the prom because that’s how pathetic your life is. Have fun getting it on with troll King, idiot, and imagine yourself Princess Clouseau rather than what you are – the lower income writer who lives off of my tax dollars and a pathetic running joke that thinks you’re the princess belle of the troll ball. Dream on and tell your family again what an important princess troll you are. I’m sure they are so proud that they just overlook the lower income, lazy life failure that you are.

Garth, I usually try not to get pulled into your tit for tat insult a thons, so I’ll just ask a question. You blasted me for being ‘partisan’, yet every poster on here is. Why did I get the special attention? You had no comments about any of the left wing posters being ‘partisan’, and most clearly are. So are most on the right. But no comments there either. And I clearly said that I don’t give Bush credit for getting Bin Laden. So why did you start in with all the insults? Are you able to discuss things or not?

And I never said Clinton ‘did nothing’. I pointed out to skyfet that if you’re going to say Bush failed to get Bin Laden, it’s also fair to say that Clinton didn’t get him. Clinton did his part. So did Bush. But neither got Bin Laden. So exactly what in those statements set you off so badly? You being a good Republican and all.

Pablo said:
Which statements indicate uncertainty? This one? Nope. Maybe this one? Nope. What statements?

As those statements turn out to have been factually inaccurate, they’re *great* indicators of uncertainty. Uncertainty that was being cleared up when Bush decided to blow Iraq to hell and gone.

Barack Must Go said:
………but you are, as you’ve succinctly stated ” a stinky poo – poo “. It’s bad enough you play dress up here everyday. Spewing crap from your mouth while obviously pleasuring yourself. Now you’ve begun assaulting us from both ends with this diaper issue. Why can’t you just change it, it’s spends most of the day down around your ankles as it is. Don’t just pull it back up when you’ve finished, wipe and grab for a new one. Is that really too much to ask?……really.

Your outrage is getting threadbare. Perhaps you should try another hobby.

It’s the darndest thing. This ‘Reganesque’ name doesn’t appear on any other threads. It’s almost as if someone comes up with a phony name for the sole purpose of going after a particular person. Naaaaaah.

writer said:
It’s the darndest thing. This ‘Reganesque’ name doesn’t appear on any other threads. It’s almost as if someone comes up with a phony name for the sole purpose of going after a particular person. Naaaaaah.

Paranoia strikes deep.
Into your heart it will creep.
It starts when you’re always afraid…..

Get help.

Yep, Glackin. Pure coincidence. That’s why I put the ‘Naaaaah’ at the end of the post.

mediadoubt said:
As those statements turn out to have been factually inaccurate, they’re *great* indicators of uncertainty. Uncertainty that was being cleared up when Bush decided to blow Iraq to hell and gone.

So, in other words, you can’t point to any of the uncertainty you claimed was in those statements. Everybody saw it coming, dude. You suck at this.

Pablo said:
So, in other words, you can’t point to any of the uncertainty you claimed was in those statements. Everybody saw it coming, dude. You suck at this.

You really are quite thick, or at least pretend to be. People made inaccurate statements. They were based on bad intelligence and intelligence twisted to partisan ends. Hence the truth of the matter was obscured, or as we like to say, “uncertain.”

The confidence with which the speaker made the statement is irrelevant. Perhaps that’s why you’re so confused about this, since you seem to think being obtuse and pigheaded actually adds validity to an argument.

It doesn’t.