well don’t sweat it Tommy-as far as your conservative readers are concerned this was on MSNBC so A. its not true. B. its a trick to make conservatives look silly or C. David Gregory is involved in a counter counter plot to advance the opposite of Obama media approved meme to give MSNBC the illusion of objectivity.

In other words Gregory’s pronouncement is rendered worthless by right wing media bias.

You got nothing to worry about! 

The truth hurts Tommy, He had complete control of Congress and got what he wanted and did it in the worst way possible buying off fellow democrats and it didn’t work. Only blind left wingers like yourself ignore those facts.

This is the problem with a mainstream press that does nothing but repeat
what is said to them. If a lie gets repeated enough, people believe it.

Yep and that’s exactly what Tommy and the rest of the minions in the corrupt, liberal media count on. 

Was this article really written by a professional journalist?  If so, you couldn’t tell.

Ah there’s that whine! Lovely!

No it was written by a professional JournOlist.  There’s a vast difference.

Had Obama gotten everything he wanted the only difference is we would be in a deeper hole. 

thank you for the official white house press release mediaite

I’m Barack Obama and I approved this ad.

“If a lie gets repeated enough, people believe it.”

But FOX ‘news’ doesn’t do this, right?

You’re such a CLOWN!!!

You TeaBagger Death Cult’ers are wonderful entertainment!

I’ve had enough of your ignorance. I’m going surfing! Enjoy your miserable lives!

Nothing will work out for this administration no matter what. It’s part of a strategy

Tommy I have a question and I can’t think of anyone better to ask than you…  Just how far can one stretch facts before they break?

Michelle, you should consider going to a clinic to address that constant burning sensation. They do have pills, creams, a change in diet, all of which may be in order.

you see the job of the media is to shape public opinion, and report the news they think is important……unless tommy doesn’t agree with it

i was laughing so hard yesterday when tommy wrote about his pre-journalism life

That is a fact that the leftists seem to ignore.

Tommy, what you gonna do with this months DNC check? You like to say that you report bad on both sides, but the bid difference is that when something bad is said about Obama or a dem you go into def con 10 mode to defend and deflect but when its a rebublican you tend to just let the negative news alone. One of many ways your liberal bias makes it into these articles. It still blows my mind that you have a seat at the white house briefings.

Great article…the words should result in an amplified level of oscillation at higher frequencies.  Sadly most approach with two few hertz.  

Barry the Marxist is an incredible failure.

NOBAMA 2012

That’s about right.  Comment matches goal.  

Tommy is quite good.  You should read him often.

Papers from christopher look exactly like wht we read on blogs from thinkprogress.

Except none of the listed items qualifies as a fact.  Complete control would result in legislation without compromise or concession, politically unopposed appointments made quickly, the agenda fully enacted. In “fact” our American legislature is constrained by the densest bramble of legislative proceedings in the free world.  Mitch McConnell, the author of the initial quote, is master of the bramble.  He’s the leader because he’s been in the bramble, knows every corner.. every false start, tough slough and impassable point.  As far as cynical claims of “buying off” fellow Democrats… Those versed in politics understand the term “horse trading”.  Research on the topic should inform you further. While your at it…Plato had some interesting opinions on caves… see if you can figure it out!   

Needs more bass. (More basis in facts.)

It is true that economic indicators and statistics have risen at a pace that would be considered “acceptable” if we were in more normal, less politicized times.
Manufacturing has increased. GDP has increased. We could be called “stable and slowly improving invalid” at this time.

Check with Teapublicans. Bachmann is your best source.

The job of media is to reflect public opinion.

Indeed.  Great point.  Have you seen the following D.S.? 
http://www.tax.com/taxcom/taxblog.nsf/Permalink/MSUN-8MXFSY?OpenDocument
I find it to be an interesting way of looking at the issue.  Cheers!

Since when is it the job of the media to reflect public opinion? When did the opinion pages ascend in prominence to the front page, and does today’s media protect the public from their opinion and bias?  You know of the 4th estate and the responsibility charged to the media in our republic. 

It is sad to see our media sink as low as it has in today’s society. 

Wow, Tommy. You must have plagiarized that crap straight from Jay Carney’s notebook.

The 2.5% GDP growth rate is for the 3rd quarter only, not for the whole year, so it’s actually only 0.625% growth.  It’s a lot more than the 0.225% in each of the first two quarters though.  The private sector jobs growth is a fairly meaningless statistic because (1) government workers count too, and (2) to keep up with population growth (and keep unemployment measured by a realistic method steady) we need about 150,000 new jobs per month.  In the past year, there have been about 1.5 million jobs added, but about 1.8 million new workers to support.

That said, the idea that none of the Obama administrations jobs efforts have been successful is silly.  No reputable source will back that up.  Some of the efforts have obviously not had the intended effect, but overall there has been progress.  If nothing had been done to address the economy, the situation would be much, much worse than it is now.  That doesn’t mean someone else might not have been able to come up with a better plan that did more to help at lower cost, but that’s not the argument being made.

Tommy’s upset that a member of the profession he seems to think he is a part of disagrees with his sheep like loyalty to an ideology.What an insult!

Why the media must be loyal to liberalism and never,never I tell you,sway from that dialog!

The so called errors of Gregory are a matter of semantics.If you characterize Obama initiatives as partially achieved,as this article implies,then which side of that equation do you acknowledge?Do you acknowledge a measure as only half achieved(and why it was half achieved) as the cause for low results or do you acknowledge what was achieved and thereby imply that what was gained didn’t do much and was of little value,therefore even if the measure had been fully implemented it would have done little?

And do you point to lackluster economic numbers and results and trumpet them as “it could have been worse” when you can’t actually prove that?No one can say with certainty that any of the policies put forward by this administration were the reason why we have had marginal slow recovery versus reversal.Economies are cyclical,just like this year when we’ve had better performance and worse from month to month,quarter to quarter.Which portions of the year do we say belongs to the President and which do not?

As Tommy uses this site to put forward a liberal agenda and in this article also apparently make the case for media bias,I urge people to take it with massive grains of salt.This article is highly opinionated and it should not be confused with the mostly unbiased work from other writers here.

nope, ask tommy, in another article to shape public opinion is the media’s job

Good points. A philosophical debate of the true job of the media. My opinion follows.
It is partly the job of the media to reflect public opinion, and that may be found on the Op Ed pages or the front page headline in the case of the OWS movement.
Merely reporting on the OWS movement in numbers of participants, where they are gathering, and any positive or negative results is a story about public opinion (not 100% of the public, of course) in visible action. It is clear to me that 100% of the public that is aware of OWS (not living under a rock) has an opinion on it, and that is media reportable.
Some media outlets are nothing but public opinion forums, and others provide information on how to store, prepare, and serve food. Media runs the gamut of those things.
If we are talking about news only, which is the generally accepted though informal definition of media (we simply leave the word “news” out), then each media outlet decides how much “public interest” should be included in each article.
I will use the Wall Street Journal as an example, though I shouldn’t because I’m not a regular reader of it. I do use it because the public perception of it has clearly changed. In the past, it was thought to be only essential reading for a business analyst, an investor with significant stock and bond holdings, and executives of major corporations. The general public (AFAIK) did not have much interest in the WSJ and its Op Ed pages.
Now that the WSJ has become a member of Murdock’s empire, its opinions are now prominent in the public eye. It has become an opinion source as much as a financial news source. The opinions were always there, but the general public did not know or care.

You push out a sentence like…
“Do you acknowledge a measure as only half achieved(and why it was half achieved) as the cause for low results or do you acknowledge what was achieved and thereby imply that what was gained didn’t do much and was of little value,therefore even if the measure had been fully implemented it would have done little?”
…and I’m supposed to question Tommy?

Gregory is the biased left.  Cant believe he broke ranks.

Depends on which segment of the media, and how each head of that segment decides what path his organization will follow.
Let’s limit ourselves to that segment of the media we talk about here, and narrow that even further to just three examples.
MSNBC has decided to shape public opinion by presenting facts that support a progressive bias.
CNN has decided not to shape public opinion (exception: health issues by presenting medical stories) and makes a great effort to present both sides (or multiple sides) of a story.
Fox News has decided to shape public opinion by presenting facts that support a conservative bias.
In the end, the two networks that want to shape opinions must see that they only reflect the opinions of their audiences. This is made obvious by the fact that people watch the news network that they like because it reflects their opinions and that makes them feel good.
In most cases, they don’t watch MSNBC, CNN, or FOX. The vast majority of the population ignores all three.
Add the number of regular viewers of all three up, and you get less than 2% of the population.

hey i agree, media should report all the facts  i just telling you tommy does not

If you didnt know any better, you would think from the way he is acting that  Obama was running for office for the first time instead of reelection.  Pure and simple, he had BOTH arms of Congress along with his elective branch for most of his presidency, and the results have been poor.  Is that not correct , Tommy?

Not.  

Great find! There is way too much talk about feelings and not enough comparison with previous reactions to recession and depression. Most of all, there is an assumption that it is somehow treasonous to even think of looking at what other countries have done, unless it is to find a very bad example like Greece, to say we are surely heading in that direction.
It is especially useful to look at the UK because the UK has not joined the euro (€) system. The UK, economics can be looked at separately because it is not tied to Greece monetarily. (Of course you can spend euros in the UK if you have them.) I should have simply said that you found a reliable comparison that shows stimulus did work at least a little, while choosing to go with austerity instead has not worked for the UK.

Ten more buckets of water….back breaking stuff here.  As I predicted, the load that TC is willing to carry will continue to increase significantly.

Remarkable view of syncronicity up until the fairly meager American intervention.

Pale in comparison to the weight of heaved insult.  

Wow, Tommy, can you get your head any further up obama’s ass?
Pathetic…..

Well yes I agree to a large extent with what you are saying, I was thinking in more narrow terms of how we get our hard news. I think that no matter if it is Fox News, the Wall Street Journal or the NYT or NBC too much opinion enters into what are presented as hard news articles.  Even programs that do a good job of presenting hard news can shape viewer opinion in a number of ways beyond the narrative, the images they use in the stories, which stories they choose to follow and which they choose to avoid are all ways they use to influence us.  

It’s just my opinion that news today is shaped, I know that you and I are from differing political ideologies, but I know that you are honest and considered, I would imagine that at least to some extend you would agree with me that you will see the press surround and protect the president in the upcoming campaign.  IMO they can already be seen taking a harder look and doing harder stories on the republican candidates than they did on Obama in the 2008 democratic primary season.  This is also done by right wing media as well, Fox starts early in the morning with their 3 goofballs and then kinda gets a little more serious from mid-day on into the early evening, before their opinion programming starts.  So I am not just blaming the mainstream they all do it. 

I just think that it is sad that reporting the news has become something other than the serious business of getting information out to the people of this country, and it does concern me how the media behaves as the press was always intended to be one of the pillars of our republic.  I am not so sure that they are taking their responsibility seriously.

I was flabbergasted when David Gregory got the big job. I was a faithful Meet the Press viewer until then. Tom Brokaw did a wonderful job in Tim Russert’s stead. Then they gave this goofball the job. My opinion of him has been very low since his days on Race for the White House. He brought on two guys working in finance to talk about what caused the meltdown. Gregory kept asserting one view that the two experts swatted away like flies. Gregory kept going because this was the only point of questioning he had for the segment. They reduced him to talking gibberish. He was in way over his head. He’s not a competent interviewer nor very bright. I wish I had the footage of that interview.

Out of reply links below.
We are in general agreement.

It has just occurred to me that the only hard news is on the 6am Farm Reports in rural areas and the  Stock Report in the Wall Street Journal, etc. Hard news is facts and figures that I would call Job Specific–what a farmer or a commodity manager needs to know.
 
I am reminded of the fact that communist countries could not report on politics the way we do, so the news hours would be filled with statistics on grain production, which would always be better than the last years to show progress. (Even when they were much worse than the year before, as I understand it.) It is incredibly boring stuff to those who are not directly affected by it.

Politics is almost never about hard facts because politicians A. cannot take the time to explain all the complexities of an issue B. do not want to present the opposite side of the issue. It weakens their arguments and that could cost them votes. It is far easier to demonize the opposing view than to explain that your idea is 10% better. It has to be stated as 100% better and completely opposite to ensure voter loyalty.

I am sorry, but I do not agree that “the media” will rally around Obama to protect him at any time between now and the next election. As you said, Fox News certainly won’t do it, and Fox is a significant part of the media that we are discussing. Statistics might even show that Fox is the larger part of that media, but I won’t claim victory on a cheap shot. :-)

Even MSNBC will not suddenly become Obama’s personal campaign network. They will continue trying to push him further left as (their opinionated) advice on how to win. As they are reporting now, my sister who is a true Bleeding Heart Liberal (won’t kill a mosquito) sighs and says “I guess I have to vote for Obama.” That is the kind of press he is getting from the left. Obama is not liberal/progressive enough for her, and the Republicans scare her. (They scare me, too, but for social conservatism and fiscal extremism like 999 tax plans that are a sham.)

On the other hand, I join you in saying that the left and center part of the media did go way overboard on Obama the last time. There was too much euphoria about a black man who could become president, not as a race issue in itself, but as a sign that we were past race as an issue. (I admit that there are some really tricky psychological twists to that. “Look at his race! He proves we are not racist!” Same thing happening with Herman Cain now.)

Anyway, I think the center and the left are finished with rallying around Obama as the ultimate proponent of liberalism and social (and racial) equality. They have had plenty of time to take a hard look at him and find faults.

Not correct in so many ways.  First, “elective branch?” haha.  You know, the 4th branch of government!  Legislative, Judicial, Executive, and Elective!

Second, they had a Filibuster-proof majority in the senate for about 11 weeks.  Until Al Franken was sworn in in July 2009, they had 59.  After that, they technically had 60, but Ted Kennedy was still housebound, so they couldn’t muster 60 votes.  Not until Paul Kirk was appointed upon Kennedy’s death did they actually have the ability to break a filibuster.  The Senate stayed in session for 11 weeks after that before going into recess, and Scott Brown was elected to serve the rest of Kennedy’s term then.  I doubt that you understand the significance of this information, since you think “elective” is a branch of government, but it means that they had both houses (not arms lol) of Congress effectively for 11 weeks, not “most of his [4 year] presidency,” or even “most of his presidency [to date].”

Third, you said “the results have been poor.”  By what measure?  In the last full month (12/08) of Bush’s presidency, 524,000 jobs were lost.  Last month, over 100,000 jobs were gained.  When President Obama took office, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was at about $8200.  Yesterday, it closed at $12231.  Osama Bin Laden is dead, there hasn’t been a successfull terrorist attack on US soil, many other high profile terror suspects are dead, we’ve “won” the Iraq war, casualties in Afghanistan are down significantly, democracy is breaking out in the middle east, etc, etc.  Those aren’t how I measure the success of a presidency, but you can bet that, had they happend with a republican in office, you and all your buddies would be cheering him on.

Obama is so passé. Only the illiterate are hanging on to his double talk, class warfare and race card baiting. Obama is so desparate he even has Mushell out there trying to get votes for him. Now that’s what you call desparate! Fried food eating mama!

burp…..

*drink*

And Now for the gop JOBS plan!
Oh I forgot, their plan is to run theirs mouths about OBAMA!
Tea party, quit taking vacations and put somethin OUT!

Fact: Don’t worry flat tax or fair tax will pass once the anoited one is gone after 2012 elections!!

Fact: Should put all that golf energy into real jobs plan not class warfare!!!

Fact: chickens comming to roost!!!

Fact: Might just say he’s full of Carney!!!!

Fact: Translation; I never work I’m going to play now!!!

David Gregory is more boring than any other commentator on television. He needs to say stuff like this to get attention. 

Fact: I certify all as facts and that’s a fact!!!

Fact:

Cloward and
Piven anyone?

Obama said himself that he got 60% of the things he wanted done. For the “progressive’ animals that are too blind and stupid to see whats really going on, with every goal Obama was able to check off his list the country has became exponentially worse. Shouldn’t this tell you unthinking beasts that “progressivism” is bad for America?

Well, Obama seems to think he got what he wanted: He bragged about the passage of each bill when it happened. Remember the all the shennanigans when they passed the healthcare bill?

Really? What did you think was funny about that?

it implies that you had a journalism life at one time

Thanks, appreciate the compliment. I take pride in the fact that 99% of the negative comments on my stories have zero to do with the actual content of the stories. Never have I seen so many get so worked up over things that they can’t articulate a single disagreement with.

I do appreciate the few non-trolls who hang in there despite it all. 

Shsssss….you’re ‘informing’ too many…….that will cause them to have a ‘brain shut-down’….and we dont want that to happen!

False. I ignored none of that. Please re-read. Disagree if you like, but don’t make things up.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/obamas-and-bushs-effect-on-the-deficit-in-one-graph/2011/07/25/gIQAELOrYI_blog.html……..take a close look and just maybe, you’d figure out that you opinion, is not quite accurate!

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“This is what drives people crazy about the mainstream media. Most of the
time, they’re afraid to reach even the most obvious conclusion,
preferring to lay out “both sides,” no matter how idiotic one of them
is.”

The first rule of journalism, beyond the “wwwwh,” is that you must tell both sides of the story.  “Fairness and Accuracy,” I believe is how it’s defined in any accredited communications program in this country.  Trade out a word here and there, Mr. Tommy, and you’re Sean Hannity.

you are a bias blogger, writer, but no a journalist…..you admit that your bias is refected in your articles because you think you job is to shape public opinion and report the facts YOU think are important.negative comment but true

Finally, someone with a real point. Let me address them. First, Gregory’s errors were not mere “semantics.” Granted, there is room to interpret the “it didn’t work” part, but there is no amiguity in “got everything he wanted,” or in “the economy didn’t move.” 

You ask “And do you point to lackluster economic numbers and results and trumpet them as “it could have been worse” when you can’t actually prove that?”

No, I point to Gregory’s demonstrably false statement that “the economy didn’t move.” 

This assertion: “As Tommy uses this site to put forward a liberal agenda and in this article also apparently make the case for media bias…” 
A. I have never hidden my liberal point of view, but I have always disputed the notion that a point of view necessarily makes you unfair or biased. B. I am not making a case for media bias. In fact, my longstanding critique is with the newsmedia’s fetish for false balance and  neutrality.

Yes, Felix.

I remember the gNOpigs trying to read out loud “War and Peace” on the congress floor.
I remember bat sht crazy Bachmann and the gNOpig herd slitting their wrists as they promised.
I remember several widdle gNOpigs screeching on the Fux gNOpig propaganda network about “jail” for those not able to meet the law.
I remember more gNOpigs squealing about “DEATH PANELS to gran’ ma’.

You remember those, Felix?

Not exactly. I’d dispute the “poorness” of the results, given where were were headed, and he only had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate for 11 months. But I would agree that it’s reasonable to criticize him for not getting more of what he wanted in those 11 months.

The country is NOT worse, unless you live in Fox NEWS LAND.

Obviously, math eludes you.

60% is not equal to “EVERYTHING”

“exponentially” refers to a multiplier recursive to itself, which has NOTHING to do with a sequential increase or decrease.

BTY, mucking forons like you believe you “took the country BACK” in the midterm elections while YOU mucking forons have done NOTHING to improve the status of the nation.

Please do list the teabagged achievements so far. Let me help you:

# 1. Endless squealing about nothing.

Obama may not have gotten us out out of the recession, but his policies have created more jobs in one year than Bush did in 8.

Seriously, why the hell are we still debating who’s better at creating jobs at this point?

Can’t wait to see the Dem talking points tomorrow from you Tommy.  Get a life you loser!

It would appear we have really gotten under Tommy’s thin skin.  He’s really going off the deep end.  

If you don’t want to be called a liberal hack, then don’t be one.  But if you choose to be one, you need to learn how to take criticism for it.  Just some advice.

Did you ever hear of a bottom Dave? After the meltdown businesses took the necessary steps to stay in business. With extra inventory they laid off excessive employees with the thought process of hiring back when the economy got better. Stimulus was in its infant stage and really had no effect when the job crisis bottomed out.
No terrorist attacks on U.S. soil? What was Ft. Hood in your opinion?
As far as owning the Congress, adding in the 3 or 4 moderate Republicans a lot more could of happened in his watch if he was better with the process part.
Fine to close Gitmo, but you need to explain how you’re going to handle it.
Treasury secretary Geitner? After a financial meltdown the best you could come up with was a tax cheat from the previous administration?
Stimulus, his urgency without picking it apart and at least trimming some fat.
Health care that the queen bitch of the Party says pass it to find out what’s in it. Brilliant marketing!!!
Cash for Clunkers with websites crashing and dealers complaining about not getting paid. Even Goolsbie said at about 24k per transaction it was unworthy.
Having Frank Dodd crafting a bill with both having a shady past with Fannie and Freddie wasn’t a great PR move.
Giving Credit Card companies almost a year to craft their changes and screw all of America wasn’t too productive especially to the poor who now pay huge interest to check cashing companies.
Never demanding a budget be passed.
I could spend another hour on this administrations lack of R&D. Even the president admits this was lacking in his first 2 years.
Tommy states he never got what he wanted. I just think he did a piss poor job of telling us what he wanted.
 In Basketball he loves to be a 2 guard, have somebody do the work and he takes the shot. Unfortunately I and most of America never knew who acting as the point guard. That person needs to be FIRED.

Once again Michelle proves that she’s an angry, bile-filled person.

then why do you whine when people call you a partisan hack? your point of view doesn’t make you bias or unfair? do you really believe that?

How do you endure this harridan’s constant whining?

Fact: You’ve never certified a fact in your entire pathetic, loser life!!

Because conservative media continues to keep its minions’ brains stuffed with easy-to-digest horseshit. It means that people like Michelle and Pablo never have to think hard about anything. Their news is neatly wrapped up into a simplistic narrative that makes the lefties evil and the righties good and they never have to burn through a single gray cell sorting it out for themselves. 

Please explain how 60 percent of what he wanted is “everything” he wanted. 

And also please explain your statement that the country is “exponentially worse” under Obama: by the time Bush left office we were losing jobs at a rate of almost 800,000 per month, whereas just last month we added 100,000 jobs. Not fantastic, but sure as hell not “exponentially worse.”

Nothing substantive or relevant to the article, but TC loves this comment anyway.

Yet I did engage the topic at other points. You conservatives did not offer much to work with…

Tommy –

Cloture requires 3/5 of the number of “duly chosen and sworn” senators, not “present and voting,” so they didn’t have 11 months of supermajority.  Al Franken wasn’t sworn in (as the 60th Democrat) until July 7, 2009, and before that, Arlen Specter didn’t switch over to the Dems until April 28th.  Ted Kennedy cast his last Senate vote in March, 2009, so he didn’t overlap with Specter to even give them 59 votes.  Paul Kirk was sworn in to replace Ted Kennedy September 24th, and there was 11 weeks left before the winter break.  He was still there for 3 weeks after the winter break, so they had a filibuster-proof majority for 14 weeks, not 11, but still way less than got_a_grip seems to think, and nowhere near 11 months either.

Mike –

Fort Hood is arguably a terrorist attack, but I think a reasonable person would draw a distinction between an American Army officer going on a shooting spree and, say, the underwear bomber.  Notably, Nidal Hasan was charged with murder and attempted murder under the UCMJ.  Michael McLendon went on a killing rampage in 2009, but nobody calls that terrorism – probably because he’s not a Muslim.
If you look at the job numbers for the months immediately before and immediately after the stimulus went into effect, it’s really hard to argue that it didn’t help.  You had an average of something like 750k jobs lost per month in the first 3 months of 2009, and less than 500k per month in the next 3 months.  Since we KNOW that many public sector jobs were paid for from the stimulus money in those months, you have to credit it with SOME of the improvement. 
Adding in moderate Republicans by tailoring legislation for them is not the same as controlling both “arms” of Congress.  Maybe they could have gotten more stuff done, but the President doesn’t control the Senate.
I’m not a Geithner fan either, but a few bad appointments does not a failure make.  I dislike Hillary Clinton way more than Tim Geithner.
The stimulus did get trimmed significantly.  The total cost was winnowed down about 60 billion dollars, but the distribution of funds was very different by the time it passed. Nancy Pelosi’s remarks aren’t the president’s, nor do isolated remarks have any bearing on whether the overall results of a president’s term are “poor” or not.
Your numbers on the cash for clunkers program are way off.  Chris Dodd was chairman of the finance committee, he gets to submit stuff if he wants.  The lack of teeth in the financial reform was largely because he DIDN’T have control of congress.
There’s of course lots more to say, but the original post I was replying to was talking in broad terms, not about specific things they didn’t like.  As far as him doing a bad job of telling us what he wanted, I think you’re underestimating the lengths Republicans went to from day 1 to keep him from accomplishing anything.  The health care debate is the best example; it’s the 90s Republican plan with the serial numbers filed off.  Many of the same Congresmen who staunchly oppose it now were pushing for the SAME PROGRAM in the 90s. 

There are NO conservatives in the Republican Party.

Conservatives would NEVER support wars of imperialism; Republicans do.  Conservatives would NEVER dream of allowing the government to spy on the people; Republicans wholeheartedly support the government spying on the people.  Conservatives would NEVER abandon habeas corpus; Republicans did.  Conservatives would NEVER allow the government to get involved in people’s sex lives; Republicans want to regulate people’s sex lives.  Conservatives are fiscally responsible; Republicans are fiscally insane.  Conservatives conserve the environment; Republicans want to destroy the environment.

There is NOTHING conservative about Republicans.  Republicans are fascists.  Think for yourselves.

Obviously this was spewed by someone who is in or has been in a mental hospital

If you look up “spin” in the dictionary, you should get referred to this article as an example. 

and just what does your reply have to do with ‘Obama getting all he wanted’?

perhaps you can start the “thinking” by looking up fascism and figuring out that you have no idea what you are talking about.  

p.s.  republicans want to destroy the environment?  Is that because we don’t hang our hats on every piece of junk science that comes down the pike?  You realize that most of the good environmental work is done by oil companies?  (bet you didn’t learn that in alinsky’s charm school)

p.p.s.  Republicans want government to spy on people?  How does that jibe with smaller government?  Biden would be put to work at the local peep hole?  (mind you that might keep him occupied)

Just nonsense sam – absolute nonsense.  You think because you know the words you can use them in a sentence correctly? lol

Michelle is really big on challenging phantom arguments.

At least half of the whinging on this site comes from conservatives’ sense of victimization. They’re so used to being spoon-fed right wing nonsense in nice, easy-to-digest bites that when they come here they feel uncomfortable and have to complain. They hate the story selections. They hate that it comes from MSNBC. They hate the host. They hate, hate, hate. 

How must their families endure their incessant whining and bile? 

Trevor is just a Berkley drop out smoking dope in his mom’s basement.

HAHAHAHAHA. You have a screen name that is attacking another person on the site…. and you’re calling them the loser? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!

For once David Gregory got it right.

“Gregory’s statement is wrong at both ends, and full of poppycock in the middle”
Tommy, it is hard to argue against your article because your writing is for the most part an subjective narrative on what the president has accomplished during his first term.  It can equally be argued that the president did get his $787 billion stimulus which he advertised as putting America back to work with shovel ready jobs when in fact it was mostly a bailout of state and local governments.  The president a year later laughs as he notes that it turns out that those shovel ready jobs were not so shovel ready.  There never was a focus on shovel ready jobs this was little more than a political ploy.  We all know where that money went, and just maybe the president could have sold that program forth right instead of under the premise of putting America back to work rebuilding their communities. How can one invest 10′s and 100′s of billions of dollars and not understand the dynamics of making such investments, if they really did not understand then they have no business assigning those sums of money to any projects.  

Even his accomplishments are tainted, the auto bailouts were hammered through bankruptcy courts in a manner that has never happened before setting dangerous precedent, the president basically took secured debt from creditors and assigned that equity stake to the autoworker unions.  His structuring of the Auto bailout allowed the auto makers to repay their loans with taxpayer money so that they could make the claim that the American people have been repaid, as only a small fraction of the money used to bailout these companies came in the form of loans, the bulk of the money came in the form of stock purchase, why would this be Tommy?, if not to create for the American people that the program was much more successful than it actually was?   His team then basically threw out existing law and set up a tax situation so that the American taxpayer would be repaid with our own money allowing the automakers and their new union partners to again take advantage of the America people, why were the auto makers allowed to carry forward upwards of $30 billion in losses through their bankruptcies?  This is unheard of and again precedent setting Tommy.  

The president and the democratic congress which controlled Washington during the height of the crisis focused on passing it’s social agenda and did not focus nor even try to understand the economy which was crashing.  Tommy how many did congress spend almost exclusively focused on healthcare as our economy lay burning?  

Many of his programs have been failures, from those designed to keep people in their homes by offering mortgage relief, to his great stimulus which was advertised as the great Keynesian WPA program of our day. The most notable program to come from this was the caulking of homes, Tommy anybody can buy a tube of caulk and a $2 caulk gun and caulk their own homes.  Bottom line is that the president remained on the sidelines and allowed others such as Pelosi and Reid to formulate and carry his promised programs forward, and they focused on social programs and buttressing state and local governments which have gotten themselves in to big trouble with pension and benefit programs and are now struggling to provide adequate services to their communities. The president had deferred the work of righting this economy to congress so it can be argued that he supported the notion vocalized by Pelosi that the most effective thing which could be done for the economy was the extension of unemployment benefits, and that the food stamp program is one of the most effective jobs creators that our government could offer.   

So now we have the president asking for his second stimulus and if he were to receive it and it were a failure again you could and probably would claim that the president did not fully receive what he wanted so he should not be held to account for the dismal performance of his program as it was the fault of congress that he could not attempt the program as he envisioned it.  

When I ask you how far you can stretch the facts before they break, I am asking you just how far can you slant your narrative before it becomes obvious to even the partisan reader.  

Obama did get everything he wanted much to peril of us all. The election of 2012 put a damper on things and the 2012 election will end it for Obama–it can’t happen soon enough.

Tommy, doen’t it get tiring having to chug all that water up the hill for Obama?

I am an independent. I agree with some points on both sides and disagree with most points of both sides. Whenever I hear someone use the word “hate,” though, it is almost always from an extremist on the Left. Also, ironically, they do it with vitriol and appear, to me, to be the hateful ones.

You say you are ex-GOP? I think you were not.

He has to claim victory even when a watered down version of what he originally wanted gets passed.  The original health care plan called for a public option and no individual mandate.  To get support from the insurance industry, he had to put in the mandate, and to break the filibuster he had to settle for no public option.  Same for most of the stuff he tried to do – a version of it passed, but not as good as what he originally wanted.

Lol most of the good environmental work is done by the oil companies huh?  Hilarious.

Good piece.  Instead  of Gregory pushing back on McConnell statement, he gave it currency my repeating as though it was accurate.   This is why there is so much misinformation on any given issue.

Along with having the majority in both Houses, the rules of both Houses must also be considered.  The rules of both Houses determines what will become and what will not.  

first time gregory and morning joe have actually not kissed obamas ass

As we review the economy, let keep every thing in context.  First of all Pres. Obama did not mess up the economy.  Thirty years of bad fiscal policies that was exacerbated by the Bush policies caused the financial collapses of the nation.   It it the worse financial collaspe since 1930s.   In addition to the stimulus being too small, it was designed to correct an economy that had shrunk by 5.5 percent rather than 9 percent.   It was not learned until this year that the economy had shrunk almost twice as much as the stimulus package was design to attack. 

So in reality, Pres. Obama is being blame for not cleaning up the GOP’s economic mess quickly. 
Pres. Obama has been able to clean up some of the left over foreign affairs debacles quickly.   He was able to do this because he  able  better information to make the correct decisions in foreign affairs, and he had less obstruction. 

Pres. Obama has gotten very little of what he actually wanted.  He has had to settle in many different ways,  but mainly he has been hindered by trying to fixed the stuff the GOP broke without any help from the GOP.

All of this is strange– the GOP broke the economy, won’t help Obama fix the economy, and then blame him for not fixing the economy. 

Can you supply us with some unspun factual numbers please?
This should be good.

Obama would disagree with you- http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-calls-underdog-2012-race-white-house/story?id=14656286

By the way, that is from ABC

HEHEHEHEHEHE!

Listening to people about the economy, quoting crud like the GDP growth.

There was NO GDP growth. Let me say it again!

9.6% Federal Deficit spending
2.6% GDP stated growth

ACTUAL GDP growth was a NEGATIVE 7%

Yeah, Obama is doing GREAT.

You need a bigger tanker to carry that water Tommy.

Gregory is a Republican shill

Really?  Always from the left?  Please cite examples of your conclusions apart from this one post.

So true, they out themselves all the time.

FACT:  You make assumptions and you know what that makes you, right?

Tommy great article,

 This is exactly what
is wrong with the media today, anyone with any knowledge knows the stimulus
work even the republicans who took it and are now against it. Gregory knows
better than to make a statement like this one, without checking the facts, this
will take away creditability for any of his future statements when it comes to
bearing the facts of any subject. I was so upset with Gregory after the
statement I change the channel. If I disagree with another person I will challenge
them with facts after doing a little research which he should have done. When
it is Sunday the creditability of Face the Nation will never be the same for me
until this statement is retracted.  The
debt ceiling Boehner got 98% of what he wanted; this statement from McConnell
is just wrong.

You’re getting increasingly nasty and personal. There’s no rule that says you have to read, or comment on, every single thing I write, but if you’re going to, you could at least show some growth as a person. You should look up the definition of journalism. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

That’s a lie, I said no such thing. You do this a lot, lie about what I’ve written, even though it’d be a simple matter to quote me accurately. I admit no bias, and I said one role of journalism is to shape public opinion, not reflect it, by providing context and analysis, and by deciding what stories are important, not “ report the facts YOU think are important.”

As usual, you throw around an accusation, with no facts. What is untrue/unfair about what I wrote?

That’s another lie. Tired of you lying about me in every comment thread.

Gregory is light weight ro is Blitzer. They’re ratings whores. For a journalist to contend that there is no positive effect from Obama’s policies is nothing but poll watching, not factual analysis.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/28/autos/clunkers_analysis/index.htm 
If Nadal Hassan got his marching orders or direction from Al Alwaki and the U.S. exterminated him and his 16 year old son under the premise they were terrorists then a “Reasonable Person” could classify Hassan as a terrorist.
It’s funny that now that Stimulus has ended all those jobs the administration said it saved are really not all being lost due to the fact that Unions are negotiating new terms with either pay cuts or paying in more for their benefits.The same thing would have happened if Stimulus never happened.
The change in lost jobs was directly the beginning of the the job market healing from reaching it’s bottom. What tiny effect from stimulus in total wasn’t worth it’s R.O.I.
The bragging of the stock market improving is also very lame. I could tell you the housing market is improving in South Florida but it has nothing to do with things getting better in the U.S. It’s foreign money coming over and gobbling up Real Estate for cheap cash. Since the rest of the world is in worst shape than us our markets are the safest havens for foreign investors. 
BTW 60 billion trimmed from stimulus is less than 10% of the total package. 

Gregory biased left. He uses Republican talking points as questions. Oh he will fashion a “tough” question for a Republican and then when they dodge or hit him with a talking point non answer, watch him. He looks like a scared third grader. You can see the wheels rolling in his head “should I ask a follow up, oh my what if he does it to me again, better move on to something the Republican will like better” He should really collect his salary while wearing a mask as he only steals his qualifications as a journalist.

agree Conservatives who talk about personal responsibility love to moan about everyone and how mean they are, or how their being screwed. Big babies

Wow you must never have heard Rush, or Savage, or Napolitano, or Mark Levin or Fox and Friends , or the NY Post , or Hannity, O’Reilly, or heard a Tea Partier , you really should get out more.
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In a moment sure to bring out the Abe Simpson in any member of the Professional Left™, Meet The Press host David Gregory appeared on Morning Joe to make the cockamamie pronouncement that Sen. Mitch McConnell said something which “resonated…that the President got everything he wanted and it didn’t work.”The only problem with Gregory’s statement is that it’s complete balderdash. Balderdash, I tell you!Gregory continued, “He got a big stimulus. He got health care reform. He got financial reform. The economy hasn’t moved.”
As anyone with eyeballs can see, Gregory’s statement is wrong at both ends, and full of poppycock in the middle. President Obama didn’t get everything he wanted” in the stimulus, he got a whittled-down, 40% tax cut half-measure that was all he could get past the Republicans and the ConservaDems. Ditto health care reform, which had the most important measure for cutting costs, the public option, stripped from it by the same union of elephants and Blue Dogs. Now, it is valid to criticize the President for not being able to jawbone the turncoats in his own party, when they had unbreakable majorities in both houses, but no one would say he “got everything he wanted.”
As for financial reform, again, there are fair criticisms to be made of the measure, but it is clear that Republicans are blocking even implementation of that half-measure.
Despite all of this dilution, Gregory is also wrong that “it didn’t work,” and that “the economy hasn’t moved.” It actually has moved, a lot, out of 750,000 a month job loss pit, onto a more stable ground of 19 consecutive months of private sector job growth, and a just-announced 2.5% increase in GDP. As the White House constantly says, it’s not nearly good enough, but if you give a dying man some medicine, and he doesn’t die, the medicine “worked” at least a little, right? You don’t turn around and put leeches on him when his rehab runs long, do you?
This is what drives people crazy about the mainstream media. Most of the time, they’re afraid to reach even the most obvious conclusion, preferring to lay out “both sides,” no matter how idiotic one of them is. Earlier in the clip, Gregory presents “both sides,” saying, “Liberals and defenders of the President will say this is the party of no. I think conservatives would say this is the party of we’re going to stop him from doing more. Stop him from hurting the economy further.”
Hey, if only there was someone whose job it is to tell us if the President actually is “hurting the economy,” or if the Republicans really are obstructionist. Hell, that would even create a few jobs!
When mainstream journalists do reach a conclusion, it’s usually felgercarb like this. The trick here is that Gregory technically isn’t agreeing with McConnell. He says McConnell’s quote “resonates” (so does the couch after a big bowl of chili), so he’s still just an observer.
This is the problem with a mainstream press that does nothing but repeat what is said to them. If a lie gets repeated enough, people believe it.

Tommy great article,

This is exactly what
is wrong with the media today, anyone with any knowledge knows the stimulus
work even the republicans who took it and are now against it. Gregory knows
better than to make a statement like this one, without checking the facts, this
will take away creditability for any of his future statements when it comes to
bearing the facts of any subject. I was so upset with Gregory after the
statement I change the channel. If I disagree with another person I will challenge
them with facts after doing a little research which he should have done. When
it is Sunday the creditability of Meet the Press will never be the same for me
until this statement is retracted. The
debt ceiling Boehner got 98% of what he wanted; this statement from McConnell
is just wrong.

“the media should not “reflect” public opinion, it should help shape it, by deciding what news is important to report, contextualizing that news, AND WHEN POSSIBLE, CLARIRIFYING IT”     QUOTE BY TOMMY CHRISTOPHER. did you omit any facts on the economy tommy?   unemployment rate? gas prices? you mentioned the economy but didnt include all the facts, the good and the bad in this article  ……linking to it is kind of disingenuous

Yes, that is a quote that is very different from the lie you told. You said “you admit that your bias is refected in your articles because you think you job is to shape public opinion and report the facts YOU think are important.”

That is a lie, one of many you tell on a consistent basis here. As for omitting facts, your standard is ridiculous. The article stipulates that things are bad, that there has been improvement, but not enough. Every article “omits” facts if your standard is that every article must include every fact in the world. 

one role of journalism…..not in the quote, what stories are important….not in the quote

“you could and probably would claim that the president did not fully receive what he wanted so he should not be held to account for the dismal performance of his program as it was the fault of congress that he could not attempt the program as he envisioned it.”

Well, no, he should be held accountable precisely FOR not getting enough of what he wanted. It’s just a fallacy  to say that he did get what he wanted.

The problem is in giving “both sides” equal weight. It’d be like ESPN reporting, “Some say the Cardinals won the World Series, while others see this as a victory for Texas. Good night, and good luck.”

My problem is with the lack of criticism. This is just name-calling. Objecting to the fact that I’m a liberal is kind of a waste of time, and it poisons what could otherwise be a productive dialog, and dissuades the few productive commenters from bothering. That’s a shame. Most writers don’t bother with the comments section, and this is the major reason why. It’s a complete waste of time. I enjoy arguing with people I disagree with. Saying, “YOU’RE A LIBERAL!” is not the basis for such an argument.

contextualizing…..you put it in the context you see fit…and that is your bias

Tip to David Gregory and the rest of the spineless rating-whore journalists who feel the need to leech off America’s insatiable thirst for conflict by airing hyper-partisan and blatantly false statements:

Objectivity >>>>>>> Neutrality

There are some positions that are just so flat out wrong and/or stupid that they belong on an internet message board.  Instead these wilting pansies like Gregory unknowingly validate their positions just by showing them on the network television.  I’ll give you some examples:  Obama birthers, Holocaust deniers, 9/11 conspirators, Michelle Malkin (I’m kidding on that last one folks.)  

The media is just as out of touch with with the American public as our elected officials because they are the other 1%.  Before Joe the Plumber started his run for office, who was the last middle class person you saw on a cable news network?  That dude from Florida who tried fucking his dog?  There is no forum for the middle class, and that’s why you see things like the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street. 

Keep up the good work, aloof journalists.  Pretty soon you’ll be covering a story that really hits home:  your own unemployment. 

Well thanks Tommy for taking the time to read my response, there is more that I would question about your article relating to the recovery of the last 2 1/2 years but it would for the most part be a subjective argument as one can hardly objectively measure the impact that spending, legislative, and regulatory initiatives have had on this economy.  You and I have very different views as to the effectiveness of this president and how he has handled the challenges of the last few years.  I am sorry that you found my initial response to lack substance and admittedly it was a quippy response to deeper feelings that I have towards much of what has taken place over the last 2 1/2 years and felt that your writing glossed over issues that deserve a harder look. I did not mean to be offensive but I personally feel that I see a bias in your writing in which you defend the president beyond what I consider to be objective, and that was the point that I attempted to make.  Again, this is just my personal point of view and truth be told my own political bias probably causes me to read things in your articles that maybe aren’t there. 

Anyway thanks for your response, Take care. 

That article makes the nonsensical point that people need cars.  While many of the people who took advantage of the program would have still needed a car, they wouldn’t necessarily have bought when they did, when dealers were at risk of going under.  It also ignores the benefits of getting low mileage, high pollution cars off the road. 

From wikipedia (not the best source, I know, but look at the FBI press releases for confirmation if you want: “In November 2009, after examining the e-mails and previous terrorism investigations, the FBI had found no information to indicate Hasan had any co-conspirators or was part of a broader terrorist plot.”  There is no evidence that Hasan got “marching orders” to go on a shooting spree.  If having communicated with someone is evidence of conspiracy, then you must think George H.W. Bush conspired to assassinate Reagan, right?

Many stimulus jobs ARE being lost now.  That’s why government payroll is on the decline still.  Like I said before, the dollar figure trimmed from the stimulus doesn’t reflect how much was changed in it.  The allocation of funds in the final version was very different from the original draft.

I agree that the stock market and GDP rebound without a similar employment rebound sucks.  It indicates that many of the measures taken to improve the situation only improved it for big business.  That’s why I said it’s not how I’d measure the success of a presidency.  Still, the US economy has fared better than most of the world.  An honest person with no axe to grind will credit the government for helping recovery. 

That article makes the nonsensical point that people need cars.  While many of the people who took advantage of the program would have still needed a car, they wouldn’t necessarily have bought when they did, when dealers were at risk of going under.  It also ignores the benefits of getting low mileage, high pollution cars off the road. 

From wikipedia (not the best source, I know, but look at the FBI press releases for confirmation if you want: “In November 2009, after examining the e-mails and previous terrorism investigations, the FBI had found no information to indicate Hasan had any co-conspirators or was part of a broader terrorist plot.”  There is no evidence that Hasan got “marching orders” to go on a shooting spree.  If having communicated with someone is evidence of conspiracy, then you must think George H.W. Bush conspired to assassinate Reagan, right?

Many stimulus jobs ARE being lost now.  That’s why government payroll is on the decline still.  Like I said before, the dollar figure trimmed from the stimulus doesn’t reflect how much was changed in it.  The allocation of funds in the final version was very different from the original draft.

I agree that the stock market and GDP rebound without a similar employment rebound sucks.  It indicates that many of the measures taken to improve the situation only improved it for big business.  That’s why I said it’s not how I’d measure the success of a presidency.  Still, the US economy has fared better than most of the world.  An honest person with no axe to grind will credit the government for helping recovery. 

FACTS COUNT  PROVE ME WRONG NOT OPINIONS

Clinton to Bush to Obama
Who Dug the Deep Hole? Who Fumbled the ball?
Numbers rounded

Clinton left Bush an 1800B Budget
Bush Left Obama a 3500 Budget

Clinton left Bush a 240B Surplus as far as the eye can see
Bush left Obama a 1400B Deficit as far as the eye can see

Clinton left Bush 5,700B of Debt
Bush left Obama 11,800B of Debt

Clinton left Bush a 237,000 net new jobs created per month
Bush left Obama a 31,000 lowest number since Hoover.

Clinton left Bush 17 Million Manufacturing Jobs
Bush left Obama 11 Million Manufacturing Jobs

Clinton left Bush a 10,800 Dow
Bush left Obama an 8028 Dow

Clinton left Bush Peace on Earth Good Will From Most Men
Bush left Obama Hell on Earth Two disastrous wars. Enmity of 1500 Million Muslims

Clinton left Bush a President most highly rated of any peacetime President in Asia, Africa, Europe.
Bush left Obama the most hated President in history
Bush left Obama an Housing Tsunami and Financial Volcano
Bush left Obama, in 2008, an 8500B Bail out commitment Yes! 8500 not just 700
Bush left Obama his Takeover of Fannie/Freddie, AIG, and first bailout of Chrysler
Bush increased maximum loan by Fannie/Freddie from $300,000 to $729,000
Bush increased FDIC maximum deposit coverage from $100,000 to $250,000
 clarence swinney–political historian–lifeaholics of america burlington nc
author-Lifeaholic–Life story of Workaholic failure to Lifeaholic success
Best seller list in haw river nc population 200 and growing
comments welcome at cswinney2@triad.rr.com facts -numbers not opinion

FACTS COUNT  PROVE ME WRONG NOT OPINIONS

Clinton to Bush to Obama
Who Dug the Deep Hole? Who Fumbled the ball?
Numbers rounded

Clinton left Bush an 1800B Budget
Bush Left Obama a 3500 Budget

Clinton left Bush a 240B Surplus as far as the eye can see
Bush left Obama a 1400B Deficit as far as the eye can see

Clinton left Bush 5,700B of Debt
Bush left Obama 11,800B of Debt

Clinton left Bush a 237,000 net new jobs created per month
Bush left Obama a 31,000 lowest number since Hoover.

Clinton left Bush 17 Million Manufacturing Jobs
Bush left Obama 11 Million Manufacturing Jobs

Clinton left Bush a 10,800 Dow
Bush left Obama an 8028 Dow

Clinton left Bush Peace on Earth Good Will From Most Men
Bush left Obama Hell on Earth Two disastrous wars. Enmity of 1500 Million Muslims

Clinton left Bush a President most highly rated of any peacetime President in Asia, Africa, Europe.
Bush left Obama the most hated President in history
Bush left Obama an Housing Tsunami and Financial Volcano
Bush left Obama, in 2008, an 8500B Bail out commitment Yes! 8500 not just 700
Bush left Obama his Takeover of Fannie/Freddie, AIG, and first bailout of Chrysler
Bush increased maximum loan by Fannie/Freddie from $300,000 to $729,000
Bush increased FDIC maximum deposit coverage from $100,000 to $250,000
 clarence swinney–political historian–lifeaholics of america burlington nc
author-Lifeaholic–Life story of Workaholic failure to Lifeaholic success
Best seller list in haw river nc population 200 and growing
comments welcome at cswinney2@triad.rr.com facts -numbers not opinion

LOST DECADE WORST ADMNISTRATIONS IN HISTORY
1980-2009 3 conservative (?) Presidents-18 years control Senate-12 years control House-6 yearsTtotal control

RESULTS–yuk yuk yuk sad sad sad

600 B budget to 3600B
1000B debt to 10,000B
218,000 new jobs per month to 99,000
initiate involvement in 10 foreign conflicts
270 Surplus to 1400B Deficit
Peace on Earth to Hell On Earth via invasion of two of most  destitute unarmed nations on earth
The world viewed and yelled “BUL:LY”
Aliened 1500M of another Faith by causing death of  hundreds of thousands of their brethern
prove me wrong with facts and numbers not opinion
olduglymeanhonestLifeaholic political historian

LOST DECADE WORST ADMNISTRATIONS IN HISTORY
1980-2009 3 conservative (?) Presidents-18 years control Senate-12 years control House-6 yearsTtotal control

RESULTS–yuk yuk yuk sad sad sad

600 B budget to 3600B
1000B debt to 10,000B
218,000 new jobs per month to 99,000
initiate involvement in 10 foreign conflicts
270 Surplus to 1400B Deficit
Peace on Earth to Hell On Earth via invasion of two of most  destitute unarmed nations on earth
The world viewed and yelled “BUL:LY”
Aliened 1500M of another Faith by causing death of  hundreds of thousands of their brethern
prove me wrong with facts and numbers not opinion
olduglymeanhonestLifeaholic political historian

 SHOCK & AWE————————
———-DEMOCRATS CREATE WEALTH AND JOBS———–
1.From Harding In 1921 to Bush in 2003
2.Democrats held White House for 40 years and Republicans for 42.5 years.
3.Democrats created 75,820,000 net new jobs — Republicans 36,440,000.
4.Per Year Average—Democrats 1,825,200—Republicans 856,400.
5.Republicans had 9 presidents during the period and 6 had depression or recession.
6.Republicans had a recession/depression in 177 months and Democrats in 32 months.
7.DOW—1928 to 2003—Stock market gained 11% average per year under D presidents versus 2% under R presidents. Small Cap stocks gained 18% as yearly average under D and minus 3% under R.
8.GDP—grew by 43% more under Democrats.
9.Income Growth—1948-2005–each increased (percentagewise)under D presidents over R presidents by these numbers– Quintiles–Top-10%–2nd-71%-third-127%-fourth-212%-fifth-550%
source–TimothyNoah– Nov. 2010 in Slate magazine
Question—Why would a working person vote for a Republican for President?
————————————————————————————————————
Comparing Democrat’s hero-CLINTON—versus Republican’s hero–REAGAN
———————————————————————————————————–

1.JOBS—grew by 43% more under Clinton.
2.GDP—grew by 57% more under Clinton.
3.DOW—grew by 700% more under Clinton..
4.NASDAQ-grew by 18 times as much under Clinton.
4.SPENDING–grew by 28% under Clinton—80% under Reagan.
5.DEBT—grew by 43% under Clinton—187% under Reagan.
6. DEFICITS—Clinton got a large surplus–grew by 112% under Reagan.
7.NATIONAL INCOME—grew by100% more under Clinton.
8.PERSONAL INCOME—Grew by 110% more under Clinton.
SOURCES—Bureau of Labor Statistics (www.BLS.Gov)–Economic Policy Institute (EPI.org)—Global & World Almanacs from 1980 to 2003 (annual issues)
http://www.the-hamster.com (chart taken from NY Times)
National Archives History on Presidents. http://www.nara.gov
LA Times 10-11-00 on Market–www.Find articles.com

A vote for a Republican is a vote for Less Success.
A vote to reduce the Standard of Living for all Americans.
this does not include 6 years of Toal Republican Control the worst 6 years in our history

Comparing Democrat’s hero-CLINTON—versus Republican’s hero–REAGAN
———————————————————————————————————–
1.JOBS—grew by 43% more under Clinton.
2.GDP—grew by 57% more under Clinton.
3.DOW—grew by 700% more under Clinton..
4.MARKET CAP INCREASE—Clinton + 330%–Reagan + 136%
5.NASDAQ-grew by 18 times as much under Clinton.
6.S&P500—grew by 370% under Clinton and 140% under Reagan
7.SPENDING–grew by 28% under Clinton—80% under Reagan.
8.DEBT—grew by 43% under Clinton—187% under Reagan.
9. DEFICITS—Clinton got a large surplus–grew by 112% under Reagan.
10.NATIONAL INCOME—grew by 100% more under Clinton.
11.PERSONAL INCOME—grew by 110% more under Clinton.
12.MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME-grew by 75% more under Clinton
13. DEFENSE BUDGETED-Clinton -2311B—Reagan-2062B (current $)
14.UNEMPLOYMENT—AVG—Clinton 5.2%–Reagan 7.6%
(I admit averaging averages can be dumb. I dumb.)
SOURCES—Bureau of Labor Statistics (www.BLS.Gov)–Economic Policy Institute (EPI.org)—Global & World Almanacs from 1980 to 2003 (annual issues)
http://www.the-hamster.com (chart taken from NY Times)
National Archives History on Presidents. http://www.nara.govwww.nara.govLA Times 10-11-00 on Market–www.Find articles.comFederal Budget.Com 2009A vote for a Conservative is a vote for Less Success.A vote to reduce the Standard of Living for all Americans.Recall 1920’s and Wall Street under Conservative control?Recall 2000-2008 and Wall Street under Conservative control?Want more of those years? It will take many years to recover.cswinney2@triad.rr.compolitical historianLifeaholics Of Americaauthor-unpublished”All American Party”How Democrats created a great Middle Class and Conservatives are determined to destroy itMT RUSHMORE WHICH RECORD??????

BUSH WAFFLE HOUSE
“I say what I mean and mean what I say”
” Promises made-Promises kept”
“When I make up my mind it stays made up”
“I do not take cues from anyone”
“You can’t say one thing and do another”
“Trust me I’m a straight shooter”
“I’m the commander, I don’t need to explain, I do not need to explain why I do things”
“I need a WAR to be a successful president”
“I’m the War President”"I’m the Peace President”"A Leader never admits mistakes”"I’m the Decider and I decide what is best”. God Bless the King!”Lucky Me, I hit the Trifecta”"God told me to attack the terrorists in Iraq to keep them from attacking us”. Exact words of Hitler except he said Poland not Iraq.”I’m a Recovering Drunk” said Bush. Judy Keen USA Today12-29-05‘There is no point in discussing the pros and cons of the war”"You know what I’m gonna tell those Jews when I get to Israel don’t you Herman? I’m telling em they are all going to Hell”. Ken Herman Austin reporter.IS THIS MAN SANE?WOULD YOU BUY A USED CAR FROM THIS MAN???
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1.Osama Bin Laden is my number one priority. (at least this week)2. We need an Office of Strategic Influence (Next decade maybe)3. I will follow the UN Resolution as long as it takes-10-27-02
10-31-02—The UN needs to act now
2-13-03—The UN needs to show courage (like I did during Vietnam.)4. I am a strong believer in Fair Trade—(except steel and softwood lumber) (votes first)

Ed Crane—Co-Founder and President of The Cato Institute-”Everything this
Administration does is political”
5. We do not need for the Homeland Security Department to be a Cabinet position.
I made up my mind on it. Boston Globe—6-9-02 “Bush Flip Flop”6. I will get Osama Bin Laden “Dead or Alive”—(go get em cowboy)—5-13-02-(“I don’t know where he is, I have no idea and I really don’t care.) (It’s not that important. It’s not out first priority”) (“I say what I mean”). (“When I make up my mind it stays made up”).7. I will use the bully pulpit with OPEC. (Sic em bulldog my gas now 4.00 per gallon)
Supply went down and Prices went up and (“This is just the Free Market at Work”)8. I will never apologize to the Chinese for “stealing our plane”. Please guys! Be nice.
Return our plane. “I regret it” was later comment.9. I mean what I say—”We can expect an attack”. Each month warning. When BOY? Forced Security Head to Post Orange Alert when poll ratings fell. No posts after reelection? Why? Terrorists suddenly disappeared?10. Wash. Post-2-8-03—Bush seeking a promise from IRAN (Evil) for humanitarian help
in event a slaughter is done in Afghan. (Sounds like Reagan?)11. NYT-1-23-03—Bush (Man of steel will) “rescinding” old policy and implementing a new policy that allows managed care organizations to limit and restrict coverage of emergency services for poor people on Medicaid. This was after criticizing HMOs for refusal to allow treatment. If this is a Devout Christian I am Jesus Christ. 12. We will not negotiate with North Korea. Wash Post 1-16-03—Bush is now willing to consider agricultural and energy aid. (Hold on! This is EVIL of axis)13.Individual investors who borrow money to buy dividend-paying stocks should be penalized. (Gosh! What did I say—I did not mean it) NYT 2-5-0314. I mean what I say until yelling starts. Military pay increase of 2% then 4%.
Stars & Stripes-12-30-02—Bush asked Defense Dept. to lower the announced pay raise for the military from 3.7% to 2%. Congress finally got 4 in 2004 budget.

“I am tired of all the Lying and Deception”—Amen! Halleluiah! Then stop it Boy.

15.I mean what I say—I am the education president. Please. First budget increased by 1.5% which had averaged 5% increase per year over five years. (Sounds like Clinton was the educated educator to me.)16.Wash Post-12-2-02—In June 2002 Bush promised 500 Million to fight mother-child transmission of Aids . In Aug he vetoed the first transfer of the 500 million. In 111 days since his promise 222,000 babies have been infected with Aids. (I wonder if Jesus Christ is tossing in his bed)

17.”Secretary O’Neill is doing a good job. The economy is improving. I have faith in him”. (Your faith lasts two weeks boy then fire him)

18.The Homeland Security Bio-Terrorism Bill is too expensive. I will veto it. An Ok is not a veto boy.
(I mean what I say” but maybe I will not this time.)

19. I do not approve of an Independent Investigation of 9-11. (“I mean what I say” but—yelling is too loud).

20.I am against international money laundering controls. (9-11—”I changed my steel mind”) They may catch daddy.

21.We will have major social security changes. Wash Post. 11-11-01—Andrew Card on Meet the Press on 11-10-02 “I am not sure we will reform it” This was a Centerpiece of his campaign..

22.-12-30-02—We will not tolerate a North Korean nuclear arsenal. (Act nice guys if you want our $$$)

23.We do not hit civilian targets(in Afghan). There is no evidence. (Red Cross building not civilian—Veterans Hospital is military—Warlord Party heading to Kabul to celebrate was armed with .22 rifles—Wedding Party was violent and firing in the air at our planes 20,000 feet above them)

24.Wash Posr-11-15-02—”If you are not happy with the administration’s policy toward Iraq at any given moment just wait a week or two. A new policy, more to your liking, is bound to appear”.

A. Go it alone week
B. Let us wait for UN week
C. “Regime change” is goal
D. remove wmd is goal
E. Secretary of State is nor speaking for the president
F. Attorney General is not speaking for the administration.
G. I am sick and tired of this waffling and waiting.

25.Steel Tariff—I really did not mean that much. I angered some people. Reduce it.
(When I make up my mind it stays made up)26.Carbon Dioxide is a power plant pollutant I will control.. (Oh! It will be too costly to my energy contributors so forget it suckers—cough cough)27.Reuters-6-26-02—‘I have confidence in the Palestinians when they understand we are saying they must make the right decisions”—”I can assure you we will not be putting money into a society which is not transparent and which is corrupt”.
(Was he referring to his administration? Sounds like it—transparent—corrupt)

28.I am against human cloning in any form. (well, not quite “any”)29.”I knew nothing about dangers of 9-11″. Eight months later. “I knew a damn bunch (but I was too busy on Vacation and looking for more to blame on that President who stomped my dad. Darn it is tough being dumb, inarticulate and following such a brain and great success)30.”I am in excellent physical condition.” (Darn, staying up till midnight in Paris zapped all my energy—Boy—try conditioning your mind))31.I am on top of everything. (Why did you say twice on TV—”I am not in control the Pentagon is running the War (Afghan)—You have a White House base—same as Al Qaeda. Only more secretive)32.I will veto bill increasing benefits for disabled military retirees (Yep! He was war hero.. 6-20-02 in Wash Post. I do not change my mind. Until 2004 Budget).

33.-6-14-02—released 23,653 of “cherry picked” Reagan papers after refusing to do it. “When I make up my mind it stays made up” Is this BOY real ?”34.I mean what I say—‘I will provide 100 million to help preserve the Rain Forest” 12M is not 100. And he has MBA.35.Budgeted funds for his dad’s Crusader cannon then demanded that Congress kill the big sucker.36. Airline Security is very important to me. Then, why did you fight so hard to keep guns out of cockpits? Why did you ignore Al Gore Study on airline security?37.Barred part-time Mexican and Canadian students from U.S. schools after 9-11. Then, after howls reversed his decision. “When I make up my mind”38.Simon (candidate for Gov. of California). “He is a breath of fresh air.”
Bush sho hated that California Smog for he avoided Simon while in his presence.39.”I will not engage in bailing out countries.” 30 billion to Brazil just a tip?40.NY Times-Richard Stevenson-2-14-03—”Bush eases Ban on AIDS money to pro-abortion groups abroad.What will he tell Falwell?41.-March 6—”We will call for a UN Security Council vote.” Geo. Bush
March 13—”There may be no vote” Colin Powell
NY TIMES-”Bush promises to adopt peace plan”. The Guardian-”Bush reversed his previous insistence that the Middle East Peace effort must wait till after Iraq SLAUGHTERAMA42.NY TIMES–Edmund L. Andrwews-2-26-03—Less than a month after President Bush proposed a radical overhaul and expansion of individual retirement and savings account the White House has abandoned their idea. (“When I make up my mind it stays made up”) (“Promises made promises kept”) (“I say what I mean and mean what I say”) ————-WHO IN HECK IS IN CHARGE IN THIS WAFFLE HOUSE?————

43. NY Times-Patrick e. Tyler-5-17-03—”In reversal, plan for Iraqi self rule by June 1 put off indefinitely. “When I make up my mind(scorched?) it stays made up”? Sho!44.BIG WAFFLE—Washington Post-8-19-03-Dana Milbank & Bradley Graham—
“Bush revises view on combat in Iraq”.—May I on USS Desertion he said– “Combat Operations are over”.. Now—”Actually, Major military operations continue because we still have combat operations going on”. Is this boy of scorched brain or what?45. TEACH FOR AMERICA PROGRAM ZAPPED BY BUSH. I am pissed off. Big time. In 2000 campaign Bush promised President Wendy Koop to expand it. His aides asked President Wendy Koop to quadruple it. . On July 11,2003 she got a letter “We regret to inform you your application was not selected for funding”. Gone. Zapped totally. Bush is one of sorriest not just worst in history. Read TIME—8-17-03. Joe Klein article headed “WHO KILLED TEACH FOR AMERICA”? Sorry, but I am so furious I have difficulty writing. I do not like to curse but xxxxxxx.45.OBL not priority or is he? A 9-13-01—”The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him”.
B. 9-17-01—I want justice. Wanted :Dead or alive.”C 12-28-01—”Listen awhile ago I said to the American people our objective is more than Bin Laden—Press pool in chapel on ranchD. 3-13-02 “I am truly not that concerned about him. “The New American 4-8-02E. 3-13-02—”I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and I really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.” Wow!46. Bush told bob Woodward in his book “Bush War” that “he didn’t feel that sense of urgency” about Al Qaeda prior to 9-11″. Now claims had great sense of urgency.

47.Nov 2003 Bush made highly touted speech about spreading democracy in the entire Middle East. NYT reported he backed away after it was denounced by Egypt Mubarak and Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia.48. 2-2-04 Budget Director Bolton-”we will not need additional funds for 04.”
5-5-04 Bush “I am requesting that Congress establish a 25 Billion contingency reserve “49. 3-9-04 Press Secretary McClellan-”Condoleeza Rice will not testify before 9-11 commission it is matter of principle.” President Bush on 3-30-94 “Dr. Rice will testify.”50. 3-19-02 Ari Fleischer-”Creating a Cabinet Office will not solve the problem.”
6-6-02 President Bush “Tonight I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single permanent department securing the homeland of America.”51. NYT 1-29-04 “Bush resists outside investigation on WMD intelligence failure.”
2-6-04 Bush “Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, to look at American intelligence capabilities.”52. Wash Post-1-19-04-”Bush opposes extension of time for 9-11 commission.”
CNN-2-4-04—”Bush supports time extension for 9-11 commission.”53.NY Times 2-26-04-Bush limits testimony to one hour.”
Spokesman McClellan-3-10-04 “Bush sets no time limit for testimony.”

54.Larry King Live 2-15-00 Bush says Gay Marriage is a state issue.
2-24-04-Bush “Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, an amendment to our constitution defining andprot4cting marriage as a union of a man and woman as husband and wife.”55. 3-6-03 Bush vows to have a UN vote no matter what 3-18-03-Wash Post-”Bush withdraws request for UN vote.”56. Columbia Journalism Review—Bush vetoed Patients Bill Of Rights as Governor but boasted how he got it passed. Now, flip flop to double straddle. He touted the Texas law as super duper.
When a challenge to the Texas Law went before Supreme Court Bush joined with two HMO’s in opposing the law. Could it be because the HMO’s are Pioneers in his campaign. Doesn’t this man have any honor or integrity?

57.Remove troops from Korea. A proposal by Cheney. Bush on 3-13-02 “There is no question we have obligations around the world, which we will keep. There is a major obligation for the 37,000 troops in South Korea. It is an obligation that is an important obligation. I know it is important and we will keep that obligation.
US Newswire-8-19-04.

58. Speech in Michigan 8-16-04—”We have got to use our resources wisely, like water
It starts with keeping the Great Lakes water in the Great Lakes Basin.. My position is clear : we are never going to allow diversion of Great Lakes water.”
Per Associated Press in July 2001 Bush said “I want to talk to Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien about piping Great Lakes water to the west and southwest. A lot of people don’t need the water, but when you head South and West, we do need it.”
AP 7-19-01—White House release 7-17-01 “remarks by the President in Roundtable interview with Foreign Press.

59. Cheney in Elko, Nevada 8-14-04 “Kerry recommended sensitivity for terrorists. No war was ever won by sensitivity”. Interview with Hugh Hewitt—8-12-04—”From the standpoint of the shrine (Najah), obviously it is a sensitive area, and we are very much aware of it’s sensitivity.” The Daily Howler-8-17-0460. NY Times-8-31-04—April 13,2004—”Can you ever win the war on terror? Of course you can.”July 19,2004—-”I have a clear vision and a strategy to win the war on terror.”August 30,2004—”I don’t think you can win the war on terror”"I say what I Mean and Mean what I say”"When I make up my mind it stays made up.”IS THIS PERSON SANE?

If the grammar quality is that of a hastily-thumbed-out text, it is generally not worth responding to.  On another note, you do have quite the dedicated (and vocal) conservative following ;) 

“WHY ARE U COUNTING TOMMY HUH???/?  IS THAT LIKE ONE OF UR OBAMA CAMPAIGN DONOR COUNTERS BECAUSE U LOVE HIM SO MUCH???  UR ARTICLES ARE ALWAYS ARE ALWAYS BIASED!!1!”

-Mediaite Tea Party Commenter

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“Please explain how 60 percent of what he wanted is ‘everything’ he wanted.”

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As a rabid sports fan stuck with very few alternatives to the evil World Wide Leader, I see them deploying the same tactics used by the MSNBC’s and Fox News of the world.  Their coverage of Tim Tebow is the most glaring example.  Where else could you get 20 minutes of postgame analysis on a 1-4 vs. 0-5 match-up, as seen in the Broncos-Dolphins game on Sunday?