That’s what ‘you’ will remember always about it.. how about Moore continually changing the subject when asked how he makes money or how much he has. It’s the height of liberal hypocrisy, do as I say and not as i do. Moore has a funny way of acting like a martyr too: blaming all of us for not being martyrs while his studio pays him millions. Too bad his shock value is wearing off though.. or did you mention this will likely be his lowest grossing ‘documentary’ since 2002?

Why are conservatives upset and obsessed with how much money Michael Moore makes? One of the richest men on Earth, Ingvar Kamprad, is a staunch socialist. Kamprad made his starting fortune in the most socialist, biggest welfare and greatest taxed country in the world, Sweden. Just because you’re socialist doesn’t necessarily mean you’re against wealth building or free trade, it just means they don’t want extreme capitalism.

“…it just means they don’t want extreme capitalism.”

And yet, Michael Moore has done just that! He’s a multi-millionaire… extreme capitalism at work.

I think the obvious logic flaw in Moore’s current presentation makes this all hard to swallow. He made a movie about how bad capitalism is, so that he could make money from people buying his product, and get richer. If he was a real believer, he would have released the movie for free on the web… that way, even if he charged per download, he wouldn’t have to get the production companies and the distribution companies, etc. richer. It’s blatant hypocrisy… and that’s why “the right,” as well as much of America is having a hard time getting past it. It’s tough to argue “capitalism is bad,” when your pockets are lined in gold.

Kudos to Sean for having the guts to invite Moore on. Kudos to Moore for having the guts to appear. It’s unlikely interviews like that which keep Fox News #1 across the board. Sean is never afraid to invite anyone on the show no matter how fervently he disagrees with them. Compare that with Olbermann, who simply rotates a small group of loyal sycophants who take turns smiling and nodding in agreement with everything he says.

Why are conservatives upset and obsessed with how much money Michael Moore makes?
–I guess it would be because he is a hypocrite. This new movie is all about how evil capitalism is, and as we all know, Conservatives love capitalism. Therefore, Morre is attacking one of the core principals of conservatism. It’s actually a pretty stupid question on your part. Moore has plenty of money in the stock market, and although he loves to push for unions, he himself does not use union workers on his films. Once again, a hypocrite.

One of the richest men on Earth, Ingvar Kamprad, is a staunch socialist.
–Sounds like another hypocrite. If Ingvar Kamprad was a true socialist, wouldn’t he be spreading that wealth? Shouldn’t he be giving all that money to those who don’t have it? Sounds like Kamprad preaches socialism but practices capitalism. Much like Mooore.

What is ‘extreme’ capitalism? Who determines when someone is making too much money?

It’s a big do as I say, not as I do. You see it on both sides of the aisle all the time.

Oh, and to answer the very leading heading, No. Moore did NOT ‘own’ Hannity last night. Nice objective journalism on your part.

@m no, it means you’re against other people wealth building. Lefties are great spenders of other people’s money.

Moore didn’t just own him, he outright embarrassed him. TKO by Moore.

As for him being a hypocrite: no less a hypocrite than Hannity who calls himself a family man, conservative and Christian while enjoying himself at prostitution dens…

http://soupsoup.tumblr.com/post/184202309/sean-hannity-conservative-defender-of-strong

@Zakk While I agree with you that Moore did NOT own Hannity, to be fair, this site doesn’t hold itself out to be totally objective.

@Anthony Rosa Are you some kind of idiot? That picture is from a report he did on “Hannity’s America” last year on The Moonlight Bunny Ranch. He interviewed some of the girls and the owner, Dennis Hof. Moore is a massive hypocrite. If he hates capitalism then he should donate 100% of his profits from the movie to the poor. There’s nothing worse than a multi-millionaire bitching about the poor.

Don’t waste your digital breath, Chris. For folks like Anthony, the truth is just an inconvenience when it doesn’t prove what you want it to. Therefore, Hannity visits prostitutes because the left says he did… evidence, facts, and the actual truth are all unnecessary. Hannity = bad, and anything that makes that equation work becomes “the truth.”

@ImNotBlue Well said.

@Chris Jones: “There’s nothing worse than a multi-millionaire bitching about the poor.”

Are you certain that Hannity isn’t wealthier than Moore? He has several sources of income.
I only ask because if you view the clips, it seems to be him who is “bitching about the poor”.

“There’s nothing worse than a multi-millionaire bitching about the poor.”

So only the poor should bitch about the poor? He should just shut up and spend his money? I must have missed the memo that having money precludes anyone from finding fault with a system that puts 40% of all of its wealth in the hands of 1% of the population.

Chris, Blue. Facts are facts. Hannity doesn’t visit prostitutes because the left says he did, the pictures he took with prostitutes says he did. Hannity is a massive hypocrite and a fool. He slams ACORN while he himself hangs out with prostitutes.

He doesn’t see the hypocrisy of taking sides against one group of farmers in California against another set of farmers.

He’s nothing but a shill for the Republican party, just like Olbermann for the Dems. The guy is clueless, a charlatan and another cable television clown.

Wow, Zakk, ImNotBlue and Chris Jones obviously don’t know anything about socialism. The fact that you guys seem to think socialists are against money is damn hilarious. Such an incredibly archaic view. It’s like I got teleported back in to the 1890s or something.

Ask yourself, “Do I know what Dialectical materialism is?” – if you don’t – then you absolutely don’t know jack squat. Go to the book store and buy some political ideologies literature at the political science section – to learn what constitutes modern socialism look up social democracy and third-way socialism. You might learn something instead of just gobbling and regurgitating whatever talk radio says to you.

Sweden has biggest welfare state in the world in combination with the highest taxes, while at the same time being one of the most wealthy countries in the world. They top every single chart when it comes to global rankings from life expectancy, to life quality, to global competitiveness (despite the taxes!). Their GDP per Capita is even higher than the United States. The fact that they produced one of the richest people on Earth (population is only 9 million) is a testament to the fact that socialism is much, much different than what you guys think it is.

From the WebSite – Socialism Works:

Sweden’s most affront claim, that it has the world’s highest standard of living, is often based on the measure of equality in wealth redistribution, and not on the status of the national economy, the buying power of the Swedish crown (Krona), the amount of people working for productive aims or creating innovations, nor it’s Gross National Product. Claims based on these other properties of the Swedish economy, in support of their “highest standard of living” claim, are mysteriously non-existent.

Sweden is a great place to start a new business – if you don’t plan on being successful. A more lax economic policy in the ’90s has increased new startups by 25%, but the economic attitude towards business hasn’t changed much since the ’70s, where entrepreneurs were treated like pariahs. Ikea founder Ingvar Kamprad told Forbes magazine that the Swedish tax bureaucrats would frequently accuse him of using people and “only wanting profits”.

The Swedish Institute of Trade reported in 2002 that “the median household income in Sweden at the end of the 1990s was the equivalent of $26,800, compared with a median of $39,400 for U.S. households”. If Sweden were introduced to the U.S. as a new state, it would rank as the poorest according to these standards. This is in light of the fact that these numbers are gross values – before taxes – and Sweden has the highest taxes in the world. The same report also shows that Swedes fare lower than the lowest American socio-economic class, working-class black males.

Go here for more de-bunking of your claims about Sweden:
http://www.namyth.com/SocialismWORKS!/index.php?sw=Sweden#sol_home

Capitalism is a word coined by Marx reflecting his view of European mercantilism, where the few elite in government and business join together to rule the “maggots.” of the many, certainly not individual freedom which results in a free market and such prosperity that America, with 5% of the people use 25% of the world’s wealth, something others should copy, not condemn as Moore does. Moore’s logic is lopsided in that he justifies that which reflect his views of an elite few ruling the many for the benefit of the many. People like him could never accept an “invisible hand” philosophy as advanced by Adam Smith and proven in America, as cited in THE CHANGING FACE OF DEMOCRATS (Amazon.com) and http://www.claysamerica.com

The other thing that some of you fail to understand is that Moore doesn’t hate capitalism. Capitalism was bastardized, twisted, and taken advantage of by criminals, the same criminals that Sean Hannity rails against.

Moore and Hannity have more in common that you’d care to admit. They’re both against government bailouts and corportate welfare, Sean is just ignorant and wants to ignore the fact that 80% of the malfeasance started with the banks and mortgage lenders, not with citizens.

Moore blames republicans and democrats alike for twisting a capitalist system to where it no longer resembles what it was intended to do. Sean is completely partisan and only wants to apply blame where it benefits the people he takes his republican talking points from.

Anthony Rosa is right, Moore and Hannity were in agreement on quite a lot. It was a wonderful interview. It changed my opinion of Michael Moore, too. Somewhere on that interview it seemed that bipartisanship on many issues is a possibility.

>”The same report also shows that Swedes fare lower than the lowest American socio-economic class, working-class black males.”

HAHAHAHAHHA! Money quote. Zakk, that entire thing about Sweden was damn hilarious. I’m sharing it with some Swedish friends of mine. They’ve just got to read that. Nice work of just typing “sweden socialism” into Google and clicking the first link then copy/paste.

Hey m, how can we fast track the system we pay 80% taxes in?

Anthony Rosa says:
October 7, 2009 at 12:52 pm

Chris, Blue. Facts are facts. Hannity doesn’t visit prostitutes because the left says he did, the pictures he took with prostitutes says he did. Hannity is a massive hypocrite and a fool. He slams ACORN while he himself hangs out with prostitutes.

See… told ya’ll. Anthony didn’t even bother to read (or if he did, it just went down the “memory hole”) that Hannity did a REPORT ABOUT THE BUNNY RANCH… so to say he “hangs out with prostitutes,” is false and stupid. But again, the facts don’t matter… certainly not when they can slam someone like Hannity. In this case (and in many others for the left), the ends justify the means… and nothing, NOTHING, gets in the way of a good story… certainly not the truth.

m says:
October 7, 2009 at 1:24 pm

Wow, Zakk, ImNotBlue and Chris Jones obviously don’t know anything about socialism. The fact that you guys seem to think socialists are against money is damn hilarious. Such an incredibly archaic view.

Now, M… I’d be inclined to guess you (read: your parents) spent a lot of money on your college education… and that’s good. But if I were you, I might request my money back. Yes, they may have told you what you already wanted to hear… but it’s not quite as… well… false, as all that.

From Wiki:

Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended.

Most socialists share the view that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and derives its wealth through exploitation, creates an unequal society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to maximize their potentialities and does not utilize technology and resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the public.

You see… it’s that second paragraph that’s the problem for Moore.

A “concentration of power and wealth among a small segment of society,”
Gee… how many poor or middle-class folks attended the film festivals where Moore wins his awards?

“…controls capital and derives its wealth through exploitation…
His movies don’t have to be “accurate,” they’re just his opinion… he’s free to EXPLOIT whomever and whatever he needs to.

…creates an unequal society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to maximize their potentialities…
Who’s going to get more money for their next “documentary,” me… or Moore? Hmm… I wonder.

“…and does not utilize technology and resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the public.”
He’s been all over the country promoting this movie, and flew all over the country to make the movie… I wonder what his carbon footprint will be.

See, M… it’s not that hard. He’s a HYPOCRITE… now, if you still want to follow him despite that, that’s fine. The message is different than the messenger… but don’t pretend that Moore is some sort of hero. The closest Moore gets to a hero, is when he waits in line for his 5-dollar foot-long… or two… or three… or dozen.

“Nice work of just typing “sweden socialism” into Google and clicking the first link then copy/paste.” – Just wanted to show you how easy it was to de-bunk your argument. It took all of 5 secs on Google to prove your Sweden thing to be not true.

You keep bringing up that he did a report on the Bunny Ranch like that is some explanation for him hanging out with prostitutes. I know he did a report, you act like that information explains why he would pose for pictures for their website.

What difference does it make. Did you see the pictures? He’s in a sandwich with one of the prostitutes arms around him. I bet his wife and kids love that one. Strong family values!

Since when does a “journalist” pose for pictures for the website of a prostitution house after he’s done doing a “report” about them?

http://www.bunnyranch.com/phpAlbum/main.php?cmd=album&var1=Sean+Hannity%2F&var2=0

> Just wanted to show you how easy it was to de-bunk your argument. It took all of 5 secs on Google to prove your Sweden thing to be not true.

How can you debunk something with complete rubbish? That entire article with riddled with grotesque falsehoods. Had lots of laughter with it last night. It is just a random website on the internet, after all. The fact you take what is said there *seriously* makes it even more funny! HAHA!

>But if I were you, I might request my money back. Yes, they may have told you what you already wanted to hear… but it’s not quite as… well… false, as all that.

Haha, you actually believe that political science as a field has a liberal bias or something? I didn’t go to college in the United States. I did it in Sweden (for free; I have no debts – you just got owned). I’ve experienced that country first-hand.

>See, M… it’s not that hard. He’s a HYPOCRITE.

Your entire analysis was hilarious.

>Gee… how many poor or middle-class folks attended the film festivals where Moore wins his awards?
I liked that you think as soon as someone’s rich they’re also wealthy and thus use their money (from for example making documentaries) to exploit “workers” (Michael Moore runs a corporation with laborers?).

>His movies don’t have to be “accurate,” they’re just his opinion… he’s free to EXPLOIT whomever and whatever he needs to.
You absolutely don’t know what “exploitation” means to a socialist, especially when you interpret it to mean that Michael’s “exploiting the truth” (wtf? we’re talking political ideology theory here, what you just said had no relevance to the topic). If you really want to know – it’s about systematic exploitation of those who command and run the economy (read: corporation owners), who use their wealth, power and influence to control it.

>Who’s going to get more money for their next “documentary,” me… or Moore? Hmm… I wonder.
If we lived in a more socialist society, maybe you would’ve had more potential to become a film maker (if you wanted to be that) since you’d have more options (you can change jobs without worrying about health care, you can study a movie director degree for free, and even if you don’t find enough work for directing you can still live a decent life).

>He’s been all over the country promoting this movie, and flew all over the country to make the movie… I wonder what his carbon footprint will be.
What the heck does that have to do with the piece you just quoted? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. You quoted a line about socialist ideology and retorted with a jab against green ideology (wtf?).

You know what’s not hard to see? Your complete ignorance and lack of understanding of socialism as an ideology. Maybe you don’t deserve to ever go to college because you obviously can’t comprehend to understand anything even if you read it with your own two eyes. I know it’s cruel – but, there’s just no other way to properly explain the way your horrible attempt at epic failure of analyzing that wikipedia article.

I know he did a report, you act like that information explains why he would pose for pictures for their website.

Oh, I get it! So he does a report there, and after talking with the girls takes a picture, and they put that up on their website… and that means he “hangs out with them.” Wow… what a logical and well thought out conclusion. Puh-lease.

Since when does a “journalist” pose for pictures for the website of a prostitution house after he’s done doing a “report” about them?

Well… if he was doing an expose’ showing that they’re terrible people, then perhaps a picture wouldn’t be in order. But that wasn’t it… so why not? And Hannity ISN’T a journalist, so again it doesn’t matter. And if you really think reporters don’t take pictures with Presidents or famous people they interview, you really don’t know anything about the business.

Strong family values!

Let’s take your logic one step further… Hannity does a story on the Bunny Ranch, and takes a picture afterwards… that means he hangs out with prostitutes. Bob the reporter does a story on the Taliban, so he’s a terrorist. Jan interviews a prisoner, so she’s been in jail. Frank interviews the President and takes a picture, so he’s a Democrat and a politician. And you post on a blog, so you must be a keyboard.

This line of logic is a joke. You were caught lying… now let it go.

m says:
October 8, 2009 at 4:21 am
Your entire analysis was hilarious.

Yes, following more is pretty funny. Smelly too, I bet.

Now I was going to respond to your re-analysis of my comments. But the problem is, they didn’t make sense, because you didn’t actually talk about the issue, the definition, or the content. You ranted about things unrelated, or completely missed the point of my original comments. But I’m no entirely surprised by that, so whatever.

Although, I liked this line:
Maybe you don’t deserve to ever go to college because you obviously can’t comprehend to understand anything even if you read it with your own two eyes.
Well, it’s too late for that… although, my folks weren’t rich enough to send me across the globe to go to school. It must be nice to be that wealthy, huh, M? I do like this utopia you apparently believe in, however. Having someone else (the government) give you everything you want sounds like a lot of fun. Of course, knowing that you apparently come from wealth, I’m not surprised you continue to believe everything should just be given to you. Darn me and my ‘old-world’ upbringing, where people have to work for what they get. You think hand outs for everyone would be great… sounds like lazy to me.

Here’s the bottom-line, though… I’ll break it into points, you tell me where you stop understanding:
Moore is very rich.
The folks Moore pals around with are also very wealthy people.
Moore made his money through his movies.
Moore was allowed to get very rich because of this Democracy.
Socialism doesn’t allow people to get very rich, as it does not help distribute the wealth.
If Moore was really a Socialist, he wouldn’t approve of his own vast wealth.
If Moore was really a Socialist, he would distribute more of his money.
If Moore was really a Socialist, he would have distributed his movie for free, instead of collecting the hard-earned dollars of the average citizen, for his own profit.

Get it?

It’s amazing that you’ve learned absolutely nothing through this conversation.

Micheal Moore showed that you can go up against the mighty windbag and show him for the asshat that he really is. Hannity had nothing for Mr. Moore and his well reasoned arguments and answers. Hannity’s feeble technique of changing the subject and spewing fake stats and tired talking points didn’t work.

To all you Cons, that link posted earlier provides photographic evidence of Hannity “associating” and consorting with whores. By the Faux news definition he is morally corrupt and an abomination. Maybe he should be pre-emptorially stoned, because he probably beats his wife and children too! If only I had my own tv or radio show so I could warn all the “good” Americans. Oh wai, that’s what blogs r for.

GOBAMA on the PEACE Prize!!!!!! Now get some Single Payer, Public Option Healthcare passed NOW!
and let’s get the hell out of Iraq & Afghanistan for some real peace….

yeah, I know I made up a word.

Sean Hannity is literally destroying Michael Moore tonight on Hannity (part II) of Seans smackdown with the clueless one. It is hilarious! Moore is such an idiot!

But wait till Mediaite does a story about it. They will “claim” Moore won! ha ha Michael’s even trying to defend Medicare and Social Security! ha ha

All the articles from European papers etc ripping healthcare in Britain–none of that means anything to Michael. Michael just hates facts totally.

m says:
October 9, 2009 at 9:18 am
It’s amazing that you’ve learned absolutely nothing through this conversation.

That’s not true! I learned that a lot of folks on the left are happy to openly lie about someone, just as long as they think it will “help their cause.”

Oh, you mean about Moore? I learned that you’ll change the facts, or ignore evidence, if it suits you. But I kinda already knew that.

Facebook User says:
October 9, 2009 at 11:14 am

…that link posted earlier provides photographic evidence of Hannity “associating” and consorting with whores.

Well… no it doesn’t. But we’ve already been over this, so apparently you’re content being a liar.

By the Faux news definition…

And that definition would be found, where?

and let’s get the hell out of Iraq & Afghanistan for some real peace….

So when this continues not to happen, will you object to Obama… or is your tunnel of blind faith so strong, you’ll love Obama no matter what he does/doesn’t do?

First of all, this entire argument is based on a false premise…
1) go to Wikipedia, type in “United States”
2) scroll the “economy” section

We are a mixed economy, not pure capitalism…

Now that we’ve gotten through the easy part, let’s all take a look at ourselves, we are all hypocrites… Michael Moore is a hypocrite for denouncing a system that benefits him: the capitalistic element of our society. Hollywood actors and liberal elite say they want wealth redistribution, yet send their children to the best schools. Even if you are poor and liberal in the US, you live better than a majority of the world, yet I doubt you would redistribute your wealth among the poor countries in the world if meant you had to give up your house to live in a hut.

On the other side, Sean Hannity and conservatives claim that they are about “hard work”. Really? If this were true, then why does Paris Hilton have more money than a heart surgeon… Oh wait, no but Sean worked hard to get where he is. I believe that hard work can be a component to making wealth, but you’re trying to tell me if he looked like Rocky Dennis he would have his own political show. There are plenty of people that work just as hard as Sean Hannity, but don’t make it. You cannot deny that there is an element of chance in becoming successful and rich. Also, raise your hands conservatives if you gave your Social Security or Medicaid checks back. Didn’t think so.
So let’s be clear, everybody is a hypocrite on some level, so that argument is pretty much null and void.

Now, if you can rationally defend your argument as something that is anything less than politics of what benefits yourself, I’m all ears. Which party is that?

“He’s(moore) a multi-millionaire… extreme capitalism at work.”

ha ha no that aint shit .$$$$$$ google William W McGuire$$$$$$$. That is extreme capitalism at work.

btw teabaggers, dialectic materialism refers no a rational basis of interpreting reality, examples includes: theres no such thing as the easter bunny.

your wasting your time m