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Hannity Panel Attempt To Discuss Muslim Students’ Complaint Against Catholic Univ.

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“So, is it a holy war that is being waged in our nation’s capital?” That’s a question Sean Hannity and his panelists attempted to answer Thursday night on Fox News.

Muslim students attending DC’s Catholic University of America have claimed that their human rights are being violated by the school because it has refused to provide a space — free of Catholic iconography and paraphernalia — in which its Muslim students can practice their daily prayers.

RELATED: Megyn Kelly Takes Atheist Activist To Task Over Ground Zero Cross Lawsuit

To discuss the issue, Hannity invited on Ibrahim Ramey, Director of the Civil and Human Rights Division of the Muslim American Society Freedom (MAS Freedom), and Jay Sekulow, Chief Counsel of the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ).

As Ramey saw it, the students’ complaint against the school is twofold: 1) There’s the question of whether or not Muslim students can be accommodated in terms of being given a place to pray, and… I didn’t catch the second point because Hannity interrupted.

Ramey later continued, adding that “it’s not a question of the right of the University to be Catholic — absolutely it is a Catholic University — the question is…” And then another interruption by Hannity, who announced he was going to go to Saudi Arabia, walk into a mosque, and request a private room in which to put up a picture of Jesus and a cross.

“Don’t get twisted,” Ramey advised, “We’re having a conversation about the United States of America.”

Sekulow saw his chance to weigh on what, if any, legal merit the students’ complaints may have. “Let’s have a conversation about the Constitution of the United States,” he began. “There is no requirement in the Constitution that can compel a Catholic University or any institution, for that matter, with a faith-based connection to change its doctrines, its practices, or its procedures and beliefs to accommodate a student of another faith.” He added that the same holds true were human rights laws are concerned.

Ramey responded that Sekulow was “twisting the issue” by saying that the school was essentially being penalized for allowing the matriculation of students of different faiths. “I’m not arguing with the Constitution of the United States,” he explained. “What I’m simply saying is that there is a better way and a more civil way and, in fact, a more accommodating way for Muslim students to be able to pray at Catholic University as they do at Georgetown [which is also a Catholic university]… as they do at Boston College, another Catholic institution, and…”

“Nobody is forcing you to go to the school,” Hannity pointed out, noting that students have the option of pursuing their education elsewhere.

Sekulow then offered an example for Ramey: If a Muslim school permitted Jewish student to enroll (“If,” scoffed Hannity.) and those students then asked the school to take down Muslim iconography put up a Star of David, what would happen? Ramey, again, insisted that this wasn’t exactly the issue being discussed and pointed out that, for one, there’s no such thing as Muslim iconography (which is part of the issue the Muslim students have with having representations of Jesus up in a room where they want to pray). He again attempted to define the twofold issue the students have with the University, but was this time interrupted by Sekulow.

Now, I’m more inclined to agree with Sekulow’s take on the issue, but I would have wanted to at least hear what point Ramey was trying to make, you know? To borrow from a fellow Catholic: Lord, please, “grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled, as to console; to be understood, as to understand.”

Have a look, from Fox News, and let me know what you think of their discussion and of the students’ complaint:

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  • Rufus Danegro

    You know what? I don’t like this topic so I’m going to pull a tiny eddie putz/michelle and talk about Obama’s great poll numbers. You can always tell Obama is doing well beause the righties stop quoting polls.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

    Rassmussen and Fox both place Obama at  43% while a CBS poll has him at 46%

    And pew Research has a polls showing Obama being the Generic Republican.

    I bet that makes Sean Hannity very nervous.

  • Anonymous

    Republicans are so full of hate that the details don’t really matter.

  • http://gregingleright.weebly.com/ Greg

    Saint Francis, it’s been awhile. Great prayer and a wonderful way to inform the issue.

  • Anonymous

    So, when are we burning the churches because little achmed might get offended if he  spots a church within city limits? 

  • http://gregingleright.weebly.com/ Greg

    Sigh…

  • Anonymous

    From a legal standpoint, if you sign a contract with the school, aren’t you accepting their standards? Such that, you would know prior to your attending the school, about the iconography that was present?

    Is it required for the students to pray? I could understand if the it was a requirement of their schooling, but if they just want to pray for the sake of praying, is there not a nearby mosque that they could frequent?

  • RodBlago

    In 2000 Bush get 65% of the vote of Muslim Americans and even among black muslims get 4 times higher the vote then regular black vote. Those votes helped him out in Florida. How quickly the GOP forgets.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for adding nothing to the discussion.

    You know, Alex is a fair author on this site, and it would do you well to at least contribute to her columns. Else stay away.

  • Anonymous

    Its a catholic school, a private property. Dont like the rules, go enroll in a  fu cking madrassa or worse, a public school.

  • Anonymous

    Fact: Dufus poll under 50% makes you a loser!!!!

  • Jeffy Teabagged

    Lovely. ABSOLUTELY LOVELY.

    A gawd damned ignorant wooly war fought at the temple of Sophia.

    The temple of ignorant faithful, dogmatic, ignorant, buyble and koran thumpers is located OUTSIDE, in the middle of the fugging dessert, where morons can pray for magic underwear.

  • Anonymous

    Muslims in a CATHOLIC University have no right to force a private institution to accommodate them.

  • Rufus Danegro

    Fact:  Yeah that got under your skin!

    LOL

  • Rufus Danegro

    Spot On KT!

  • Rufus Danegro

    Beat it retard.

  • Anonymous

    The only thing shown in that video is two hateful Republicans who are so full of hate that they can’t let a man talk.  In other words, shut up, moron.

  • Anonymous

    Fact: Hannity was correct as usual about these pathetic creatures!!!

  • Jeffy Teabagged

    Oh, in case you THEOCRATIC MORONS didn’t get it.

    A UNIVERSITY by definition is supposed to study the UNIVERSE, NOT TO APPLY DOGMA EITHER phucking  fruitcake way.

  • Anonymous

    Fact: Obama will lose in 2012.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t watch the video. I read her article.

    Thanks for playing.

  • News Of The World

    “From a legal standpoint”…
    Are you a lawyer?  No…. based on your previous comments, I’m pretty sure you’re not.  You are a hillbilly from Wisconsin.  Therefore, you should not preface your comments with “From a legal standpoint”.

    In any event, as usual, Hannity is representative of Fox News’ racist and divisive views… the good news for most of America is that only 3 million of more than 200 million Americans watch this garbage.

  • Anonymous

    Fact: In this case the Muslim is identical to the liberal both think they are entitled!!!

  • News Of The World

    Hillbilly.

  • Anonymous

    Well then, you’re not really qualified to comment, are you?

  • Anonymous

    Sure I am. It seems like you added nothing to this.

    Continue having a boring night.

  • Anonymous

    I have no problem with you attacking hillbillies. That speaks more to your lack of character than anything else.

    My resume is stellar. :)

  • Anonymous

    I had no issues wearing my crucifix and praying on my rosary beads when I was a student of Muslim University. Catholics should have the same tolerance and acceptance as Muslims have for us.

  • Anonymous

    If you have nothing to discuss, then don’t respond to my comments. Simple as that.

    Now go back to having an uneventful evening.

  • Anonymous

    Fact: The Liberals on these recent threads have entered Crazy Town.

    It’s making my head spin. :)

  • Anonymous

    “You can safely assume that you’ve created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.”

    – Anne Lamott

  • Rufus Danegro

    Feel free to leave anytime Tard-o. 

  • Rufus Danegro

    Feel free to leave anytime.

  • Anonymous

    I only watched a few seconds, while setting up Sons of Anarchy to play on DVR for my wife, but the part I heard was the equivalency of a Jewish student attempting to get accommodation in a Muslim school (in America) and the one guy saying of course they’d be given space, and Hannity saying  ya?  Where?  What Muslim school allows that – since obviously there is none the Muslim argument guy used the excuse that the  Muslim schools are private schools, not govt funded, to which Hannity said right – just like the catholic schools you are trying to force into accommodating Muslims!   I’m paraphrasing, but your article didn’t represent the arguments fairly.

  • News Of The World

    You lack the intellect necessary to become a lawyer – or anything that contributes to society as a whole.  Or is that too much for you to comprehend? I know hillbillies have a hard time understanding proper English. Unfortunately, I don’t speak hillbilly, so I can’t help you beyond what I’ve stated previously.

  • Rufus Danegro

    Fact: Water Closet has no clue of which she speaks.

    Thank the maker her vote won’t matter anyways!!!!!

  • Rufus Danegro

    I’d say you told her. Bravo.

  • Tim Tebow

    Lookit: the Pope needs a new muffler for his bullet-proof PopeMobile, so he talks to the folks over at Marketing. The marketing guy says we need to ramp up cuz the priest abuse scandal is killing our bottom line! Killing it!

    We gotta let in anybody with 40 grand (or whatever) burning a whole in their pocket (WCinWI?) just to keep the lights on!

    Let in the muslims! Let in the WCinWIs! Let in any farmer with 40 grand hiding out from the shit-tay job market! The Pope don’t care! After all the suits, he ain’t gonna be able to replace the red velvet Gucci seat covers in that thing either? Maybe get a Prius? I dunno…Does Jesus believe in AGW? Gotta consult the Council of Trent on that one…

    Either way, who cares? Sounds like a job for the folks over at Contract Law: just your everyday vanilla contract dispute between two parties in a business contract.

  • cdnhawk

    you agreeing with that smug twerp Hannity tells me all I need to know about you

  • Anonymous

    No I don’t. But thanks for your concern. :) I’ll remember that in law school.

  • Tim Tebow

    Leave her alone.

    She has ALMOST every LA Law episode on VHS, and she drives by a law office everyday on her way to the feed store.

    OK?

  • Anonymous

    Fact: Even if you rearranged those words so that they made sense, they still wouldn’t make sense. 

  • Anonymous

    All I read is blah, blah, blah. :) I understand that you have no hobbies right now and are therefore commenting in response to me, but I see no point.

  • Rufus Danegro

    Drucker’s Dry Goods is not a Law School dummy!

  • Anonymous

    Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything.  The reason you believe otherwise is because Sean Hannity is a compulsive liar and Republicans (like you) will believe ANYTHING.

  • Rufus Danegro

    Kind of like the huge point your response had? See? That’s why everybody on this thread thinks you’re a loser.

     

  • Anonymous

    Leave the predictions to the professionals, cupcake…you suck at them…..

    WCinWI: “The Palin campaign will be epic. The Left won’t know what’s happening.
    I will especially love when Palin debates Obama. To shove it in your face alone. :)  “

  • Anonymous

    Try that I took the LSAT. However, I did work at a law firm years ago.

    I do love driving past Court Houses though. :)

    I’ve yet to see LA Law though. Sorry. Another meme broken.

  • Anonymous

    If you en roll your child in a Catholic school and you are not catholic, you have to agree that they get religious education as part of their curriculum.  If you don’t like that – you don’t en roll your child.  

    If I attend a Catholic University, I am aware of their religious beliefs and practices and my insisting that they recognize mine (which is different) is insane.   

  • Anonymous

    You not capitalizing the first word in your sentence tells me all that I need to know about you.

    Try charm school too. Grammar and manners are two solid quality traits.

  • Tim Tebow

    What was your LSAT score?

  • Anonymous

    well hells bells there rufus (damn will have to rename one of my dogs) – if we weren’t here, who would read your brilliant comments?  You’d be arguing with yourself.  You’d be bored!

    I didn’t realize you own this place – how much did you pay for your seat?

  • Rufus Danegro

    Yes another high value post contributing to the topic. Yes you are a gigantic hypocrite.

    And as BFD just pointed out-not very bright.

  • Rufus Danegro

    Aw grammar police! Sorry you should try “obedience school.”

  • Anonymous

    I never claimed to be perfect. But hey, keep riding it all the way to the election season. That’s really going to help your local elections.

  • Anonymous

    Yes…traditionally, but religious colleges/universities can apply their dogma in whatever way they feel fit while educating. They are constitutionally protected. I have no problem with that…in a private university. However, a person of a different religion should know that they will be playing by that institution’s rules when they attend school there. The only thing I don’t want to see is the govt subsidizing these institutions. 

  • DEFENDER-90

     Catholic University teaches from a CATHOLIC PERSPECTIVE or point of view.
    There are conservative and liberal Universitys,how hard is thast to understand? 

  • Anonymous

    Don’t worry about my score. You don’t play nice after the fact. :)

  • Rufus Danegro

    I thought you left to go watch “desperate housewives”

    or you can hang around and continue to make a fool out of yourself. Fine by me.

  • Bentley121883

    Yet another COMPLETLY fair Hannity segment, it amazes me why ANY person that is not completely in agreement with Hannity ever goes on his show, he won’t even let you speak. Nothing worse then an uneducated man telling the world how smart he is. Slimeball.

  • Anonymous

    I’d say he’s a hoot, but he’s getting just beyond creepy.

    Now wait – it will be mere seconds before he responds to both of us. Typical.

  • occupy the GOP

    “Fact: Obama will lose in 2012.” – WCinWI

    thanks for adding nothing to the discussion hypocrite. you reek of transparency.

    commenting that republicans are full of hate is absolutely relevant to this article. your comments, as per usual, contribute nada.

  • Rufus Danegro

    Something something about your mother.

    That’s all I got for you.

  • Socratease

    You do realize that universities were created by Catholics in the Middle Ages, right?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    What makes you think that Obama wants to be a generic republican?  I guess that would make Hannity nervous.  

  • occupy the GOP

    how pathetic is it that you justify your ‘credentials’ via mediaite comments? you’re an idiot.

  • Anonymous

    Trying to find your comment on Alex’s article…..

    Looking….searching….looking some more…..I think I found…wait, no…..still looking…..yep, not there.

    Where, oh where, are your insights?

  • occupy the GOP

    a nutjob repub is referring to liberals as crazy? wtf is going on? rationality vs. crazy = liberals vs. conservatives.

  • Rufus Danegro

    her score was 0 because she’s lying abut taking the test.That much is obvious 

  • Anonymous

    Still waiting for your analysis to Alex’s article. Where is your deep analysis?

  • Anonymous

    I’d bet anything that you have no idea what that segment was about.

  • Rufus Danegro

    BINGO!

    And she’s waiting for your analysis. What a joke!

  • Rufus Danegro

    SPOT ON!

  • Anonymous

    Still waiting for your analysis on this article.

    So far, you’ve added none. I believe you attacked me for offering no analysis, when I clearly did.

  • Rufus Danegro

     Yeah you’re hear to listen to other peoples insights.

    Well I hope when you get to heck the devil teaches you the error of your sad ways!

  • Rufus Danegro

     No you were attack for offering a STUPID ANALYSIS.

    There I fixed that for ya free of charge!

  • Anonymous

    No one expects you to be perfect, they expect you to learn from experience and stop making asinine predictions when OBVIOUSLY you don’t know any more than anyone else this early in the game.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s Go Rangers! Let’s Go Bush!

  • occupy the GOP

    you’ll be waiting awhile. read your LSAT books in the meantime. or clean out the litter box. anything. you’re not welcome here.

  • DEFENDER-90

    CRAZY! GAME .

  • Anonymous

    If a room devoid of any iconography is all that is required it would be easy to provide it.  Of course, that might stop all this huffing and puffing on Mr Hannity’s show

    It would show Christian tolerance and civility to simply provide for the comfort of their students.  It is a tenet of the Muslim faith that a place of worship be free of iconography–it’s considered a “graven image”.  No one is suggesting anyone take a wrecking ball to the stained glass.  If only all our problems were so easily addressed.

    Alex, I concur that Mr Hannity would be doing us all a favor if he just let his guests finish answering his questions.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    Why would a catholic university make accommodation for the Muslim faith, this makes no sense whatsoever.  Catholic doctrine teaches that there is only one true church and only through this church can one find salvation.  So why would anyone expect that for the church to deny there own doctrine to accommodate the religious beliefs of others.  

    The Muslim students should seek an education at a secular school, they should not be asking the Catholic University to compromise on it’s beliefs.  These students have no standing in this case, it is a private religious school that and making such accommodation would is to ask the University to deny the teaching of the Catholic church. To accommodate the Muslim students would be to encourage their practice of a pagan religion which is a sin in catholic theology. 

  • Rufus Danegro

    You are not welcome here.

    But then you know that which is why you regressed to your sub-human state!

  • Anonymous

    We’re all allowed to make predictions. And my gut was that she was in it. I don’t fear her not being in it. I just know the candidates all are horrible. Either way, I was always ABO.

  • Kj

    What would have been better would have been if 1) either all folks were in the same locations vs. teleconferencing or 2) and even better yet, as Hannity can hold his own just have the person from the Muslim community speak as there was too much interruption.for all parties — for a moment I thought I was listening to the O’Reilly factor.  The constant interruptions were annoying.  And, 7 minutes was NOT enough time to have a “discussion” on this.

    Finally, having attending PRIVATE, CATHOLIC schools for 13 years (5 years being all “female”), there are rules and the students either abide by the rules or leave or are told to leave/not invited to return.

    In closing, contact the CUA and show them your support at http://www.cua.edu/contact-us.cfm

    Thank you

  • Anonymous

    Fact: You were wrong about your Palin Prediction.  

  • Anonymous

    I already took the LSAT.

    Keep up.

    And once you take it, you never want to see an LSAT prep book again.

  • Anonymous

    And it just went to 11. Wowsa!

  • Anonymous

    He doesn’t own the team.  He sold the team after he scammed the taxpayers into having to buy a new stadium. 

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I was.

    How does that help you in 2012? :)

  • Anonymous

    Did you see the standing ovation that Bush got at the game days ago? :)

  • Anonymous

    Whatever you say the opposite will be true.  

  • Rufus Danegro

     Bush Sux.

    NUFF SAID

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DMHWE4GFMVW5VQD53XFLCGYBO4 Ishmael_137

    The Moslem spokesman was furtive and refused to look at the camera. Guilty? Lying? Who knows? However, he did bristle at the suggestion that an Islamic school would never make any sort of consideration for a Bible-toting student. They always hate the turn-around game, though it’s usually very enlightening. Perhaps he did not want to admit having a room in which to pray would be the least of a Christian student’s worries…his neck would probably be first priority.

  • Anonymous

    We’ll, he was the previous owner of the team and he lives there.  The first lady and the second lady got a standing ovation too. 

  • http://gregingleright.weebly.com/ Greg

    You lack Grace.

  • DEFENDER-90

    “How did this happen”

  • Guyoxim

    Sorry, but any woman who refers to herself as a “chick” has a less than stellar resume. Unless you’re shooting for a position as hostess at Hooters, that is…

  • Anonymous

    Obama will win in 2012.

  • Guyoxim

    Wow. Just fucking Wow…

  • Anonymous

    Game 7. Wowsa!

  • Anonymous

    But you know that Bush can actually throw a ball.

    Have you seen Obama throw a pitch? He can’t even do that right.

  • Anonymous

    Why? It’s the United States and we have a tradition of religious tolerance. Also, the good book espouses “loving thy neighbor,” that’s why. Other Catholic universities have provided a space. Perhaps, they read their new testament more diligently.

  • DEFENDER-90

    Game 7 :)

  • Anonymous

    Have you seen his 3 point shooting?  Enough said.  

  • Rufus Danegro

    WAY TO GO CARDS!

    NO VICTORY FOR BUSH! LOL

  • Anonymous

    I’ve yet to go to a Hooters. :)

  • Anonymous

    You are posting to a thread about a video you didn’t watch and accusing somebody of adding nothing to the debate about the video. Do you not understand that you are a moron? Seriously, I don’t understand how Republicans get to be so stupid.

  • Anonymous

    Baseball is America’s sport. Basketball is on timeout.

  • Anonymous

    I read the article and asked questions based on the article. There is not much actual discussion of this. You didn’t offer any insight. At least I offered potential questions for people to answer.

  • Anonymous

    I think you’d have to examine how private institutions operate. I think it’s an interesting subject and case. If the institution sees its goal as a Catholic University that teaches and doesn’t force its students to attend prayer sessions, then the Muslim students could go to off-site mosques. I’m saying this because I haven’t examined the layout of the school itself. I don’t know if they have a chapel onsite.

    Why can’t they pray in their apts or dormitories?

  • Tim Tebow

    You took the LSAT, but couldn’t get into Jimmy Swaggart’s Bible and Law College sponsored by chick-fil-A?

    Did you try Phoenix? You know you can still live with mommy and daddy, but they might restrict your on-line time unless you get to scoopin’ up Fifi’s fuzzy little turds…

    Run along, now…git!

  • Tim Tebow

    You seem to have the confidence, but you also need verbal scores: the ‘howlers’ you’ve produced on here suggest that cosmetology might be a better fit.

    Maybe your parents will let you run it out of the garage?

  • Texan

    Sez the losin namejacker…

  • Texan

    Everybody meaning all of your alter egos?

  • Anonymous

    I imagine that’s what their doing now.  There are five obligitory prayers and elaborate cleansing rituals that must be done before each prayer.  I believe there an extra prayer on friday and there are prayers (when needed) for funerals.  At least one of the major prayers is meant to be said as a congregation.

    Frankly, I see why a nearby place would be desireable.  Before each prayer is to be spoken the hands, face, and feet, are to be ritually cleansed.

  • Anonymous

    Hooray!  Sean Hannity has finally found a reason to re-embrace religious freedom in the USA!

    I was getting a little concerned that he’d forgotten about the First Amendment during the whole “Ground Zero Mosque” nonsense.

  • AMW

    The Muslim students didn’t complain, and Hannity should know, since the press release to Fox News from CUA says so.  The complaint comes from a lawyer.  The Muslim students seems to be happy.

  • Anonymous

    Hannity does interrupt too much…but he is right on the point.  And the question remains, why did these students decide to go to this catholic university in the first place?

    And OT, but I think its interesting that the Tea Partiers are beginning to sue cities for their money back…they paid for permits to hold their rallies and now the city is waiving those fees for the OWSers.  Just another double standard….liberals think the rules don’t apply to them.

  • Yukon Jack

    After all the crap by the likes of News of the World, Rufus Denegro, Korean Trevor, B_F_D, and the rest of the usual gang of idiots, FINALLY here is one comment relating to the subject.

    Instead of their garbage, the aforementioned mental cases should have given a reason – just ONE (1) – why a Muslim should even be admitted in to a CATHOLIC school. They should have presented evidence that Catholics or for that matter, ANY Christians, Buddhists or followers of any other religion would be admitted to any Muslim school. And if they ever were, they would not be beheaded for demanding to remove the Muslim symbols from the premises. They should have presented their cockeyed view of the world without name-calling.

    These half-baked human right crusaders should try to live in a Muslim paradise. 

  • Yukon Jack

    If ‘cdn’ in your monicker indicates that you are a Canadian, you give all Canadians a bad name.

  • Yukon Jack

    So, you would not have any problem with speakers at a UNIVERSITY, who have a point of view different from yours? Would you have the decency and courtesy to listen to – for instance – Ann Coulter or David Horovitz? Or Prime Minister Netanyahu?

    Don’t think so! Your ilk are great throwing pies and insults, but not so great in debating, reasoning and being human. 

  • Yukon Jack

    Unless you are willing to give specific proof that you attended a Muslim University, you are nothing but a trouble-making, rabble-rousing troll. 

  • Yukon Jack

    At least Hannity DOES bring guests with a different point of view. And I fully agree with him interrupting those who want to go on a tirade – there is a strict time limit on live TV shows. Answer the question or shut up!

    Try to find a guest of conservative bend on MSNBC. Well, maybe one in a hundred. And of course the MSNBC hosts are polite and never interrupt, because the guests are always the perfect echo chambers. 

  • Anonymous

    “Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you’d have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.”

    – Steven Weinberg quote

  • Yukon Jack

    Rufus, you should NOT disrespect former President George W. Bush.

    After all his statement, after 9/11 that “Islam is a religion of peace” – which, undoubtedly will go down and live in history as the dumbest, stupidest and most idiotic statement in the history of politics, Hell in the history of mankind – emboldened the likes of you to excuse the Muslims for all their cruelty, stupidity and their total lack of understanding that when they go to a country – you know, leaving their hell hole behind – they are expected to show some measure of courtesy to that country. Of course if they don’t, it’s OK, they learned their manners and their “religion” from their founder, the pederastic terrorist.

  • Yukon Jack

    He is far better at throwing the baseball – and the bowling ball – than being President.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    This is a private catholic school, it has nothing to do with the United States and everything to do with Catholic doctrine, if the Muslim students have a problem then they went to the wrong school and should find a different school to attend.  Can you show where other catholic universities have provided such space or is that your assumption?  I do not remember the section of the new testament that covered religious tolerance can you please cite chapter and verse?

  • Teabagginobama

    Rufus…I wonder..

    Why did your mother not capitalize on her right as woman and choose to abort you?

  • Yukon Jack

    As a Christian, I believe that my prayer to God must come from my soul, and not by the edict of a terrorist, who thought that his “religion” must be spread by the sword.

    If I HAVE TO pray five times a day, my “religion” is not worth five plugged nickel.

  • Rio

    You do realize that a lot of those young ladies are working their way through college.  Jerk!

  • TruDat

    See the difference between Fox and MSNBC?  Fox actually has guest with a differing point of view!

  • TruDat

    So excercise your right to be an agnostic or atheist.  The rest of us couldn’t give a flying f-ck.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gregory-Smith/100001741334953 Gregory Smith

    I am so sick of the damn Muslims demanding special accommodations. I’ve never heard Jews, Buddhists or Hindus complain about the crosses, have you? They pray IN THEIR OWN TEMPLES LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE! Look Muslims, here’s how it works, if you don’t like crosses, DON’T GO TO A CATHOLIC CHURCH. By the same toke, because I like premarital sex, alcohol and cigarrettes, I didn’t go to Brigham Young! See? You CHOOSE your school based on your values, you DO NOT go to a school and demand they make especial exceptions based on your needs. By the way, when Jews are really orthodox and need special accommodations  they go to Jewish schools like Brandeis, Baruch or Yeshiva. See?  So why can’t you damn Muslims start your Osama University or Allah College of Technical Terrorism and leave the rest of us alone? 

    http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

  • Anonymous

    I have. 

  • Anonymous

    How would you even have a clue if your TV is stuck on Faux News? 

  • http://twitter.com/pablopcasso Paul D Powell

    I would usually side with anyone against Hannity and his cronies. In this case, however, the university has been an establishment long before Muslim students started attending.  The university is not discriminating against the students; that is, setting out to specifically deny them a space free of iconography and paraphernalia.  The university is what it is and to attend school there means acceptance of what it represents.  The shoe also needs to be put on the other foot for comparison.  Any Muslim university will be devoid of representations of other religions.  In addition, it is illegal in Saudi Arabia and many other Muslim countries for crucifixes and rosaries to even be in seen in public.  Ministerial and priest collars are illegal to be worn in public.  So before people complain about being discriminated against, they need to put some things into perspective.  At a Catholic university, there are certain things that need to be accepted before one attends and to expect something different is ridiculous.  There are plenty of non-secular universities to choose from.  The only thing Hannity has wrong in this case is the title of the segment.  The hilarious sensationalist nature is right up his alley, but hardly the actual case.  

  • Anonymous

    That’s the difference between MSNBC and Fox you mean.  If Fox does bring on someone with a differing opinion they pick the meekest and mildest person available so that, in this case, Hannity and Sekulow can yell louder and drown them out.

  • Anonymous

    Fascinating.  I’m a Mormon, and considered going to a Catholic law school.  My wife (also Mormon) went to a Catholic university.  It never occurred to either of us to get their university to accommodate our particular worship habits.  This is absolutely ludicrous!  What’s America coming to when a private university could lose its right to control its own environment.

    BYU, Notre Dame, etc., should have every right to make clear their religious beliefs all over campus.  Students disagreeing should be grateful they’ve been allowed to attend, and find their own corner or spot to worship as they please.

  • Anonymous

    The Catholics aren’t exactly innocent of the sword use.  Remember the Crusades?  Raping and pillaging the land to spread the word of God.  Sounds pretty gruesome.  

  • TruDat

    Man, are you clever.

  • TruDat

    As opposed to MSNBC, which only has liberals as guests and we’re actually supposed to give a crap what their opinion is regarding conservatives?

  • TruDat

    Congratulations!  Give yourself a great big hug, have a cookie, and take you nap.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, but still no one can explain why the Congressional Black Caucus or  why the Black Law Student Association at Catholic University will not let whites to join their organizations.

  • Anonymous

    And right. 

  • Yukon Jack

    In case you atheist (sorry for the redundancy) morons are not able to realize, a University or any school or for that matter, ANY establishment that has the constitutional right to promote and promulgate its core beliefs is NOT under any obligation to admit anyone who is opposed to that belief.

    The fact that a CATHOLIC university admitted some Muslims is a clear indication that Christians are far better people than Muslims, because the chance of any Christian being admitted to a Muslim University is about as good as the chance of a snowball in the bosom of Mohammed  in you you where.

    So, a bunch of    

  • Yukon Jack

    FDR, the idol of modern-day liberals locked up people of Japanese descent, even those born in the United States, confiscated their property, and treated them like traitors and un-American scum.

    We need a new FDR that affords the SAME and far better deserved treatment of treasonous an un-American Muslims.

  • Michelle

    That’s why they spent the whole thread attacking WC instead of commenting on the topic. 

  • Michelle

    Um he’s a liberal.  Nice try though. 

  • Anonymous

    Oops, I assumed he was a Republican because he has no clue what’s going on.

  • Yukon Jack

    More to the point is there or has there EVER been a Muslim school (aka MADRAS) that accommodated or even admitted a student whose faith was anything but Muslim?

    Let the crying jerks go Saudi Arabia. Or Iran. And let them two branches of Islam kill each other.

    The world needs all the improvement it can get.

  • Yukon Jack

    And how would you, whose TV is NEVER tuned to FOX have clue?

  • Anonymous

    I think you somewhat missed the point here. Hannity and Sekulow didn’t just obscure Ramey’s point (I actually thought he got it out when he said, “There is a better way and a more civil way and in fact a more accommodating way for Muslim students to be able to pray at Catholic University.”)

    To me, the larger point is that Hannity and Sekulow distorted the facts of the case to change it from a question of how far a Catholic university should go to accommodate other faiths into MUSLIMS WANT TO TAKE THE CATHOLIC OUT OF CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY!!!

    http://www.newshounds.us/2011/10/28/hannity_distorts_catholic_university_controversy_to_beat_his_antiislamic_drum.php

  • AliveStillKickin

    Jay Sekulow ate that Muslim’s camel-meat lunch.
    Ibrahim Ramey was left muttering like the fool, Obama without a teleprompter (…or Al Sharpton WITH one…”Resist we much….”)Back to Iran with all of the camel-humpers.

  • Anonymous

    Did you read the article?  That is where it states other Catholic universities (Georgetown Catholic and Boston Catholic) have solved their problems in a more “civil” way.  It is implied– fair enough.

    As for Biblical homework, do your own.  The New Testament is rife with examples and I will not cite chapter and verse for you like some puppet.  I suspect you are fully aware of them. If not, read the whole thing.

    Here’s one to get you started,

    Luke 6:31 ” And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.”

  • http://www.thefriendcenter.com/ SoThere

    I want a space set aside in a private Muslim school for Catholic crosses and religious scripture or maybe a Jewish Menorah.  Ya right, that’s going to happen. Only a liberal idiot would give this request a second of thought and consideration.   I have a novel idea, let the Muslim weenie go to a Muslim school.  They teach personal sacrifice in those schools and the latest styles in explosive underwear.

    “TMP”

  • Anonymous

    Your reasoning is specious.  If someones prays in a differant way than you, (more often, less often) it does’nt necessarily deligitimize the act.  Christian’s have rituals and traditions surrounding their prayer;  bowing the head, hands clasped, or the hand to the head, as do Muslims.  Sincerity and humility, as you seem to recognise play a part too.  If someone prays five times a day it’s somehow less valid?

    You’re reducing two major faiths to a ” mines better than yours,” mentality.  You don’t have to believe the religious beliefs of another but, I believe it’s important to show a modicum of respect for them..

  • Anonymous

    Like Jeff Dunham’s Achmed the Dead Terrorist wears?

  • proud2tbagu

    Faux News. hahahah! Drink.

  • Anonymous

    You mean like George W. Bush in 2004?

  • Anonymous

    Because WC is an idiot (lust like you) and deserves to be attacked.

  • Anonymous

    There is no verbal score on the LSAT.

  • Anonymous

    I recently took the LSAT genius. It’s offered four times throughout the year.

    The University of Phoenix doesn’t have a law program.

    Keep up.

  • Anonymous

    I will say this.

    I know that there are private schools that offer law degrees that teach you the undercurrent of Catholicism through various law courses and you can be an atheist or follower of some other faith. It’s only assumed that you understand that you will be required to learn through the prism of Catholicism.

    However, I don’t know how being an atheist or follower of some other faith inhibits their ability to pray at their “building of choice”.

  • Anonymous

    Lust like you…….too funny. The J is two spots over from the L.

    Just so you know.

    And I’m the idiot. :)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GWUMDXSUYVXFOVKEDR7OG3SD7A John Doe

    Is Ibrahim Ramey blind? or doesn’t he have the courage or courtesy to look at the camera while debating?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GWUMDXSUYVXFOVKEDR7OG3SD7A John Doe

    Obama is “doing well” at 43%?

    When a dad would give his son praises for ‘doing well’ in school when he comes home with a D, that dad should have his own head examined.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GWUMDXSUYVXFOVKEDR7OG3SD7A John Doe
  • Graphicnovelprof

    Muslims believe in Jesus….so they are just causing problems where there does not need to be a problem.  

  • AliveStillKickin

    That kind of spin may well work at  OWS….but not here.
    There is no place for Islamic idolitry on a Catholic campus.
    There are Temples for that close to campus.

  • Anonymous

    Muslims pray about 5 times a day. It’s part of their practice of their faith. They face Mecca each time. Now, if their faith is so strong, why must others remove their iconography? Isn’t your god just your version of my god ?  

  • http://twitter.com/ZackyBeatz %Zackyatz%Music

    How is it a fact when 2012 is next year ?.
    do you know what a fact means ?

  • http://twitter.com/ZackyBeatz %Zackyatz%Music

    On another note that Ibrahim Rafey guy barely looks like someone who is upset about anything..
    cannot see his point, and his not passionate about the issue ?.
    Did Fox find him in the streets to play the role of the muslim guy they could bash ?.

  • Grendelprime

    Alex, just wanted to bring up a small point. This bit “Muslim students attending DC’s Catholic University of America have claimed that their human rights are being violated by the school because it has refused to provide a space — free of Catholic iconography and paraphernalia — in which its Muslim students can practice their daily prayers.” is a tad innaccurate.

    The students have not complained. An annoying law professor at George Washington University has done this; John Banzhaf. Look this guy up, he’s kind of a dick. Loves the pre-emptive lawsuit as a tool to impose his will on society.

    Ta, for now.

  • Anonymous

    Ibrahim Ramey is just causing problems where none exist. Not one Muslim student at this school complained about not having a place to pray that didn’t have a Catholic symbol in it. Mr. Ramey is a complete fraud looking for his 5 minutes of fame.   

  • http://profiles.google.com/mattgordonmd matt gordon

    Sane people should just decline the invitations to appear on the Fox Network. Everybody by now should know that it just isn’t going to go well.

  • http://www.quranreading.com/online-quran-recitation Quran recitation

    Well when ever some one is not unbiased people start looking for egos. why religious war in universities. that’s not a place for religious war. well in this world no place for religious war. every one in this world is born free He/she have right to live with freedom then why people point at each other. why don’t they mind their own business.

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