No surprise here. The folks at CNN and MSNBC and CBS have taught these unhinged people that if you burn the Koran you will be rewarded with fame in the media and unlimited TV time.

Good. Let the media go crazy.
Hopefully the Koran burnings will continue until the media gets bored with them and they become commonplace, like all our other freedoms.

Then maybe I can finally see a South Park with an image of Muhammad in it.

and the folks at fox fed his hatred

I can aggresively disrespect any faith I want. If I have a case to make against a faith, then I don’t need to sit down and shut up; it is my right as a thinking person to make that case. Burning books, on the other hand, only promotes non-thinking.

Thank Allah the police were there to stop that man from burning that wonderful book.
Aloha clark bar.

I watched a little bit of CNN today, and for the few minutes I watched, Frederica told me I’m an Islamaphobic bigot. It was pathetic, but typical of CNN. Although they did cover “both” sides of the protesters, the theme was if you don’t want the GZ Mosque, you are a hateful bigot. Is it any wonder CNN is losing viewers right and left.

I didn’t see any coverage of this page burning. But I’m sure CNN and MSNBC will give it massive coverage and Wolf with breathlessly talk about it, and Keith and Rachel will call this man hateful, pathetic, and a racist, because that is just what they do.

As for the media giving this guy his 15 minutes of fame (or five minutes, or two, or whatever it was), the media frenzy will continue. They want to stoke the flames of hatred; what a sorry state of affairs we have in our so-called media today.

But hey, this guy has a right to do it, just like the “artist” who created “piss Christ” that the media supported, adored, fawned over, etc.

He has a right to do it, it doesn’t make this guy any less of an asshole.

Why such a fuss? I don’t understand what you are complaining about. Isn’t Mediaite part of the media and didn’t you post the video, no matter what the reason?

Yeah, this guy may be a publicity hound, but he has the constitutionally protected right to do it. Compared to the murder of almost 3,000 people on 9/11 his book burning is just a stunt. Where is your outrage over that?

BTW, the Qu’ran is only a “holy book” if you believe in that garbage.

@TfT, “I didn’t see any coverage of this page burning. But I’m sure CNN and MSNBC will give it massive coverage and Wolf with breathlessly talk about it, and Keith and Rachel will call this man hateful, pathetic, and a racist, because that is just what they do.”

For those guys on CNN and MSNBC this incident is like a double dose of Viagra .

I thought the MSM was going to honor the victims for at least today, but they just continued to defend the Muslim community that spawned the terrorists.

Yes… the ONLY religion that can be “disrespected” is a faith based on Christ. South Park proved that with an episode that had muhaammad censored but Christ could be shit on… literally. Do you really this these liberal MSM types would give 2 shits if someone was burning the Bible… HELL NO. I say this as a non-believer. But I can spot bullshit from a mile away.

Frances wrote” We ask you to not focus on the man burning the Koran– it’s a pretty straightforward act and, on its own, should not be respected as newsworthy–
__________________________________________________________________________________________

Wwho are you to ask us what to focus on?

One marvels that the contortions required to spin this story into an attack on the media and minimize the culpability of the Koran burner hasn’t done irreparable physical damage. It’ takes remarkable chutzpa to be able to project slant as objectivity without even a hint of embarrassment.

felixw said:
No surprise here. The folks at CNN and MSNBC and CBS have taught these unhinged people that if you burn the Koran you will be rewarded with fame in the media and unlimited TV time.

Yeah, the media should assist in hiding our liberties when we are threatened by outside sources to not conduct said liberties. Lest they get mad.

One question though….

When did the Right become such pussies?

I

Call_Me_Ishmael said:
One marvels that the contortions required to spin this story into an attack on the media and minimize the culpability of the Koran burner hasn’t done irreparable physical damage. It’ takes remarkable chutzpa to be able to project slant as objectivity without even a hint of embarrassment.

The Right is also minimizing the culpability of the Islamic radicals to put the blame squarely on the media.

It’s kinda funny when you realize the Right hates the media more than the terrorists.

Mediate, you are as responsible for anyone being harmed by the man’s action as the man himself.

You did not have to include a seven minute video that you asked us not to watch.

The way you presented this story proves that you are more interested in peddling inflammatory propaganda than protecting the lives of our troops.

Now that you have blood on your hands, i hope the 50 hits on this weak site was worth it,

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Yeah, the media should assist in hiding our liberties when we are threatened by outside sources to not conduct said liberties. Lest they get mad.

One question though….

When did the Right become such pussies?

BFD, you have a right to burn any book you want. Although the idea of you owning any books is pretty amusing to begin with. But let’s suppose you have unread copies of Rules for Radicals and An Inconvenient Truth lying around next to the PlayStation II in your room in your parents’ house. You can definitely burn ‘em, but you don’t have a right to expect CNN to put you on TV while you light the match.

Publicity whore my ass, that man didn’t even speak, didn’t give a website, he simply took a stand against radical Islam. By burning two pages he showed the entire Muslim world that we’re not afraid of them. As for danger to our troops, guess what? If you don’t want danger don’t join the military. Our military fights for freedom! They took an oath to uphold the constitution which includes the right to free speech, an oath that General Petraeus seems to have forgotten.

“it’s a pretty straightforward act and, on its own, should not be respected as newsworthy”

I don’t believe that for a second.
The radicals we are at war with threatened us not to do this and an American exercises his freedom and does it.

Doesn’t matter which side you are on this is the most important story of the day imo. Maybe one of the most important stories of this war against Islamic radicals.

I know as a lefty I am expected to be more sympathetic to feelings, but fuck that noise. And I am not the only one. Cenk Uygur spoke very elegantly about the same thing yesterday.
He actually said that if the radicals start violence over this then we should hit back hard.

But the story isn’t “newsworthy” lolol

felixw said:
but you don’t have a right to expect CNN to put you on TV while you light the match.

There you go again, arguing something no one has said.

“a RIGHT to expect CNN to put you on TV”!?!?!!lololol

We are at war with fundamental Islam . You either get that or you don’t . The MSM is playing coy and trying to downplay the facts.

Fort Hood , Detroit bomber , Time Square bomber prove that . Obama can apologize , shake hands , soften the tone , it doesn’t matter .
Hamas , Iran , Hezbollah, Al Qaeda etc , do not want peace. They want genocide of Israel and the US. Military force is the only answer . Yes it sucks and hard to face , but until we realize that , we will be stuck in the same place , with the same results .

DON’T LET THE RADICALS SEE US BEING FREE!!!!!
THEY MIGHT GET MAD!!!!
BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID!!!!
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THEY MIGHT GET MAD!!!!
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Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Yeah, the media should assist in hiding our liberties

Sure deny what you said. You complained about the media hiding people demonstrating their civil liberties. Now you say that you aren’t expecting media coverage. You flip-flop even more often than Obama.

felixw said:
Sure deny what you said. You complained about the media hiding people demonstrating their civil liberties. Now you say that you aren’t expecting media coverage. You flip-flop even more often than Obama.

I never said anyone should expect coverage, had the “right” to coverage, or could demand coverage. It’s solely the media’s choice and I happen to agree with it in this case. You know all that. This is the intellectually dishonest game you like to play.

BTW, at least I think for myself. I am going against my party and my president with my views in this thread.
You are spouting the usual Righty talking points blaming everything on the MSM.

Time to put on a new record. That one’s broken.

This story is so insignifcant that it’s trival,but the Media will shoot it up with steroids and it will grow out of all proportion,and city,s will burn.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
I never said anyone should expect coverage, had the “right” to coverage, or could demand coverage. It’s solely the media’s choice and I happen to agree with it in this case. You know all that. This is the intellectually dishonest game you like to play.

BTW, at least I think for myself. I am going against my party and my president with my views in this thread.
You are spouting the usual Righty talking points blaming everything on the MSM.

Time to put on a new record. That one’s broken.

You’re incoherent. You put up angry posts insisting on media coverage. Then you say you don’t expect media coverage.

I know you post 200 idiotic messages here per day. So it’s probably hard to keep track of all the disjointed things you say. But denying something you just said, when the messages are here on the web page for everyone to see makes you look especially foolish.

Uh, guys I think BRIAN AUSTIN GREEN ALREADY BEAT THIS DUMBASS TO IT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlWsEPVB0h0

The media should have never given any press to Terry Jones, and this whole thing would have been a non-issue. Instead, I see this redneck pastor getting AIRTIME ON EVERY MAJOR NEWS NETWORK.

Sensationalism created this.

felixw said:
You’re incoherent. You put up angry posts insisting on media coverage. Then you say you don’t expect media coverage.

Wtf are you talking about. I said I agreed with the media coverage and you said you didn’t. I didn’t insist on anything, but I did mock the idea that the media should cower in the fear of inflaming radical Muslims. It really is that simple.
I know where you stand and you know where I stand.

I just happen to be right.

I’m done with you for today. I really don’t want to argue about anything as foolish as a Koran burner has a “right” to be on CNN. Stupid, it is.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Wtf are you talking about. I said I agreed with the media coverage and you said you didn’t. I didn’t insist on anything, but I did mock the idea that the media should cower in the fear of inflaming radical Muslims. It really is that simple.
I know where you stand and you know where I stand.

I just happen to be right.

I’m done with you for today. I really don’t want to argue about anything as foolish as a Koran burner has a “right” to be on CNN. Stupid, it is.

Maybe you are amused to see unhinged people get on TV for idiotic publicity stunts. But when it creates a foreign policy fiasco and puts our troops at harm, the rest of us aren’t quite so amused.

But I wholeheartedly support your decision not to engage in dialogue with me. Try to live up to that promise, and not do a flip-flop for once.

*LA@g4XWs#Pn

bugspot1 said:
and the folks at fox fed his hatred

Real really need to get off your 100% shit diet bugshit!

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
He actually said that if the radicals start violence over this then we should hit back hard.

Right on, BFD. Nice to see you are Right some of the time.

“Media Frenzy At Ground Zero As Publicity Hound Burns Pages Of The Koran”

If only these media whores were this active when congress was in session and directed their anger towards them. Maybe this country would not be in such a mess…

nutsofast says:

Real really need to get off your 100% shit diet bugshit!

Nutsofast, I can always count on you for deep conversation

And BEFORE you say it, I’m not going anywhere near your nuts
We do have a bathroom in the Airport here in Minnesota that you and your buddies seem to like

I have to say you really nailed this one, BFD. The rightists have, since the first plane hit the Twin Towers, been some of the biggest cowards we have ever known in America. In my view, nothing is as cowardly as surrendering Constitutional rights, and the radical rightists, inspired by W and Dick, Donnie and Condie, and a host of lesser knowns like Jeff Sessions and John Cornyn have shamed us all with a yellow strak longer than the line down Route 66.

bugspot1 said:
nutsofast says: Real really need to get off your 100% shit diet bugshit! Nutsofast, I can always count on you for deep conversation And BEFORE you say it, I’m not going anywhere near your nutsWe do have a bathroom in the Airport here in Minnesota that you and your buddies seem to like

NSF is catheterized so he doesn’t have to leave his computer.

Get over it you anti-liberty bigots. We have freedom of speech in this country, where we shouldn’t be intimidated by fanatics – It’s called Liberty. Additionally, a private individual who has purchased private property should be able to build/do what they want with their property – it’s called liberty.

If intolerant people overseas can’t handle free speech that is their problem. We should not dictate our actions based on threats of attack. If we do, than terrorism has won.

While no one will reasonably argue that the First Amendment makes such an act illegal, people who behave this way– who think it is morally acceptable to be aggressively disrespectful to others based on their faith– usually do so because they have nothing better to contribute to society. They do not think, create, construct, or even charm– and so their only hope for becoming relevant is to hate. These people are a constant minority in any nation and usually lose their patience and go away when ignored for enough time. So why not ignore them?

Submitted without comment: Peaceful Lovers of Religion Riot For Second Day

I will call attention to the first comment on that post as it is both pithy and truthy.

greg454 said:
Publicity whore my ass, that man didn’t even speak, didn’t give a website, he simply took a stand against radical Islam. By burning two pages he showed the entire Muslim world that we’re not afraid of them.

I look at is as he was Free Speech, and I’m glad he showed the world that we will not let threats and fear control us. This man has a right to free expression and free speech. Our freedoms should not be altered based on fear and threats from abroad.

I was in the crowd with my friends. We support the mosque. Long story short, we got hit, pushed, shoved, spat on, insulted, threatened, and jeered. I had a hijab on; it got torn off twice. My friend got called a Muslim cunt and her face spat on. Racist? I think so.

I just hope nobody draws a cartoon. That would be awful.

solidarity said:
I was in the crowd with my friends. We support the mosque. Long story short, we got hit, pushed, shoved, spat on, insulted, threatened, and jeered. I had a hijab on; it got torn off twice. My friend got called a Muslim cunt and her face spat on. Racist? I think so.

So, where’s the video?

(My friend is not Muslim nor is she Middle Eastern; she is Latin American. It seems that some of the Tea Party fanatics cannot tell the difference.)

And what race are you?

Where is all the outrage from the liberals when flags are burned, Jesus is made fun of on Comedy Central, and when crosses are put in puckets of urine. Personally, I stand by these acts as an individual has the right to free expression. Yet the liberals celebrate these actions, or at least stay mum,

Also, we must respect a persons right to build a mosque, although no one is threatening him with violence.

Was it a Tea Party event? How could you tell?

Pablo said:
So, where’s the video?

I remember cameras pointed at me from all directions. My friend got a video; it’ll be posted on YouTube tomorrow.

Solidarity — Right…. And I got a unicorn for sale .. You interested ?

More Liberty said:
I look at is as he was Free Speech, and I’m glad he showed the world that we will not let threats and fear control us. This man has a right to free expression and free speech. Our freedoms should not be altered based on fear and threats from abroad.

Big words from one of the biggest urine puddlers on this site. Go back to knocking your knees and spare us the self-serving tripe!

I also recall many chants of “THEY BUILD, WE BURN! THEY BUILD, WE BURN!”

Pablo said:
And what race are you?

I am white as printer paper.

Solidarity — How much is George Soros paying you ?

murf said:
Solidarity — How much is George Soros paying you ?

I implore you to watch the video of the entire ordeal once it gets posted.

Pablo says:

And what race are you?

WHO CARES???
DOES THAT REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE??????

TfT said:
I watched a little bit of CNN today, and for the few minutes I watched, Frederica told me I’m an Islamaphobic bigot. It was pathetic, but typical of CNN. Although they did cover “both” sides of the protesters, the theme was if you don’t want the GZ Mosque, you are a hateful bigot. Is it any wonder CNN is losing viewers right and left.

I didn’t see any coverage of this page burning. But I’m sure CNN and MSNBC will give it massive coverage and Wolf with breathlessly talk about it, and Keith and Rachel will call this man hateful, pathetic, and a racist, because that is just what they do.

As for the media giving this guy his 15 minutes of fame (or five minutes, or two, or whatever it was), the media frenzy will continue. They want to stoke the flames of hatred; what a sorry state of affairs we have in our so-called media today.

But hey, this guy has a right to do it, just like the “artist” who created “piss Christ” that the media supported, adored, fawned over, etc.

The media is much more about controversy and conflict than actual news. I guess all we can do is write to them with and let them know we won’t watch shows that constantly focus on contrived, over inflated sensationalism. I tend to get my news off the interenet for that reason.
Not allowing media hounds to command the “news” with sensationalism is a good call but I’d have to say the inflation of the Community Center in lower Manhatten was another case sensatiopnalism. The meda , Fox news in particular, didn’t just cover it but purposely inlfated it into what we saw today with the protests. It is IMO a much more aggregious example of the media doing the public a great disservice.

Solidarity — I can’t wait , please link it here.

solidarity said:
I remember cameras pointed at me from all directions. My friend got a video; it’ll be posted on YouTube tomorrow.

You be sure to come back and link it, ok?

bugspot1 said:
Pablo says:

And what race are you?

WHO CARES???
DOES THAT REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE??????

When you’re calling people racists, yes, it does. It’s sort of inherent in the allegation.

Paula said:
There used to be a comic named Don Rickles who made fun of EVERYONE”S race, and ethnicity.

Lisa Lampanelli is carrying that torch these days.

The Real Royal King said:
Big words from one of the biggest urine puddlers on this site. Go back to knocking your knees and spare us the self-serving tripe!

So I stand up for the Freedom of Speech, the freedom of religion and liberty and you call me self serving. Oh yeah this comes from a person that got caught telling a lies. Then when someone called you on it you claimed it was “satire.” Got it.

Paula – Here ! Here !

We need more people like Clint Eastwood characters . This overly politically correct society is sickening !

Pablo says:

When you’re calling people racists, yes, it does. It’s sort of inherent in the allegation.

He already said shes latin american and they spat on her
still don’t see what his race has to do with it

Baruch Pelta said:
I can aggresively disrespect any faith I want. If I have a case to make against a faith, then I don’t need to sit down and shut up; it is my right as a thinking person to make that case. Burning books, on the other hand, only promotes non-thinking.

Excellent point. I agree. I respect someone’s right to worship as they choose but when religon spills over into public life, and it inevitably does, it deserves to be challanged. Political discussions should be about principles and facts. That way believers and non believers can participate equally. The Florida Pastor said God told him to burn Korans and then told him not to. Let’s leave that kind of lanaguage out of politics.

libra blue said:
Why such a fuss? I don’t understand what you are complaining about. Isn’t Mediaite part of the media and didn’t you post the video, no matter what the reason?

Yeah, this guy may be a publicity hound, but he has the constitutionally protected right to do it. Compared to the murder of almost 3,000 people on 9/11 his book burning is just a stunt. Where is your outrage over that?

BTW, the Qu’ran is only a “holy book” if you believe in that garbage.

That’s true of the Koran and all so called Holy books. Personally I think we’d be better of to not hold any book as sacred. People constantly twist what they read into whatever they want and claim they are following God, If you believe in God that’s fine but take responsibility for your own thoughts and actions. Don’t blame them on a book you read.

It’s amazing how many of you anti-liberty bigots have blown this out of proportion. For decades, Americans have been watchng people burn the flags, even as our marines and soldiers are fighting. What do we do? We are tolerant , and turn the other cheek. That’s because many of us believe in individual liberty, free expression and free speech.

“Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.” – Benjamin Franklin

“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” – Voltaire

Terrorist Unrecruitment Video . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEkSKIxtV-k&feature=related

solidarity said:
(My friend is not Muslim nor is she Middle Eastern; she is Latin American. It seems that some of the Tea Party fanatics cannot tell the difference.)

I think you are making this up to denigrate the Tea Party. Imagine that.

Speaking of tolerance, I wonder what would happen if you stood in Jerusalem ad burned a bible, and at the same time someone else burned a Quran.

tatboy said:
Yes… the ONLY religion that can be “disrespected” is a faith based on Christ. South Park proved that with an episode that had muhaammad censored but Christ could be shit on… literally. Do you really this these liberal MSM types would give 2 shits if someone was burning the Bible… HELL NO. I say this as a non-believer. But I can spot bullshit from a mile away.

Well, I saw an article concerning Christians complaining about a Billboard Athiestsd had put up.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jzTzDhWpR4NBMVrYHCQHkz1nEgQQD9I597600

As long as it’s conflcit and controversy the media will be glad to run it. This whole thing wouldn;t have happened if not for the continuous contrived story about Park 51 created by the media.

Pablo said:
When you’re calling people racists, yes, it does. It’s sort of inherent in the allegation.

How gauche to ask someone their race.

CosmosDan said:
Well, I saw an article concerning Christians complaining about a Billboard Athiestsd had put up.

Em…comlaining and threatening violence are two different things.

Call_Me_Ishmael said:
One marvels that the contortions required to spin this story into an attack on the media and minimize the culpability of the Koran burner hasn’t done irreparable physical damage. It’ takes remarkable chutzpa to be able to project slant as objectivity without even a hint of embarrassment.

We expect some people out there to be attention seeking bozos who will do anything to get on camera or see there name in the paper. We expect our media to be a little smarter and more responsible than giving these nuts validation and air time.

More Liberty said:
Em…comlaining and threatening violence are two different things.

Em…I know. The subject was book burning as disrespect to a religion, not violence.

More Liberty says:

Speaking of tolerance, I wonder what would happen if you stood in Jerusalem ad burned a bible, and at the same time someone else burned a Quran.

I do get you , and do agree – with liberties comes problems

not sure what that has to do with Jerusalem,

bugspot1 said:
Pablo says:

When you’re calling people racists, yes, it does. It’s sort of inherent in the allegation.

He already said shes latin american and they spat on her
still don’t see what his race has to do with it

Really? I suggest you read this.

In a way, you’re right. When people are screaming “Racist!” these days, race has nothing to do with it. But we owe it to ourselves to ask, so that we can accurately assess the allegation. BTW, I suspect he is a she.

david r said:
How gauche to ask someone their race.

It’s not nearly as repulsive as calling people racists. It’s funny to watch where you get offended, though.

CosmosDan said:
Em…I know. The subject was book burning as disrespect to a religion, not violence.

Yeah..no kidding. Like I said, complaining about disrespect is way different than threatening violence. Besides, no where in our Constitution does it say people have a right to NOT be offended.

There are so many anti-liberty bigots, on both the left and right, that it is disgusting.

bugspot1 said:
not sure what that has to do with Jerusalem,

It was theoretical in reference to tolerance and intolerance. Off the subject sorry.

Patrick Henry said:
I think you are making this up to denigrate the Tea Party. Imagine that.

The Tea Party doesn’t need any help denigrating itself.

More Liberty said:
Speaking of tolerance, I wonder what would happen if you stood in Jerusalem ad burned a bible, and at the same time someone else burned a Quran.

East Jerusalem or West Jerusalem?

solidarity said:
I am white as printer paper.

And what color were the racists that abused you so?

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
The Right is also minimizing the culpability of the Islamic radicals to put the blame squarely on the media.

It’s kinda funny when you realize the Right hates the media more than the terrorists.

Well it depends on where the blame can be assigned. Fox inflating the Park 51 controversy day after day to fan the fires of religious intolerence is just good reporting. Since Fox decided not to cover the Koran burning then they must be right about that too, hence, all other media that covers it is wrong.

It’s interesting what you say about our liberties and exercising them. I agree with that. I do wonder whether it’s good tactically to put nuts on TV just to demonstrate that.

pablo, wheres your papers, bub?

Folks, November looks bad for the democrats , you need not look any further than this thread . LOL .. race-baiting and class warfare is alive and well ..

moneymack said:
pablo, wheres your papers, bub?

In my filing cabinet. You?

CosmosDan said:
Fox inflating the Park 51 controversy day after day to fan the fires of religious intolerence is just good reporting.

That was Fox? Because I seem to remember that it really got cooking when Barack Obama weighed in on it. He’s not working for Ailes now too, is he?

todders said:
Uh, guys I think BRIAN AUSTIN GREEN ALREADY BEAT THIS DUMBASS TO IT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlWsEPVB0h0

The media should have never given any press to Terry Jones, and this whole thing would have been a non-issue. Instead, I see this redneck pastor getting AIRTIME ON EVERY MAJOR NEWS NETWORK.

Sensationalism created this.

Don’t forget the whole “Ground Zero Mosque” story is part of the same pattern, expect in that case the story was created and sensationalized for days and days with bogus “facts” and innuendo.

oh sorry I left out FOX … LOL .. Yes grown adults bitching about a news network swaying public opinion .. Why can’t ABC CBS CNN NBC MSNBC get control of the narrative ?!? Conservatives = uneducated rednecks !! This should be easy !!!

Pablo said:
That was Fox? Because I seem to remember that it really got cooking when Barack Obama weighed in on it. He’s not working for Ailes now too, is he?

He weighed in on it after it been blown out of proportion abd sensationalized to briefly point out thar religious freedom , a basic foundational principle, means they have the right to build there.

murf said:
oh sorry I left out FOX … LOL .. Yes grown adults bitching about a news network swaying public opinion .. Why can’t ABC CBS CNN NBC MSNBC get control of the narrative ?!? Conservatives = uneducated rednecks !! This should be easy !!!

It’s their method I object to. Repeated intentional distortion of the facts to play on people’s emotions.

No, it was a very local issue, but if you’ve got some numbers like these to prove otherwise, I’d like to see them.

If you search “mosque” here at Mediaite, you can see pretty clearly where the story blew up and made the mainstream media.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/09/stewart-quran-burning-pastor_n_710296.html

Once again Jon Stewart does an excellent job of showing just how ridiculous the religious contriversy is.

CosmosDan said:
It’s their method I object to. Repeated intentional distortion of the facts to play on people’s emotions.

Just not true .. but hey you’re probably a Media Matters fan . Let me tell you a little secret , they’re full of shit . Media Matters Not Context should be their proper name. It’s sites like those along with Think Progress that is distorting the facts.

Pablo said:
No, it was a very local issue, but if you’ve got some numbers like these to prove otherwise, I’d like to see them.

If you search “mosque” here at Mediaite, you can see pretty clearly where the story blew up and made the mainstream media.

Do you watch Fox.?

Here’s a timeline of how the story took off
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/16/ground_zero_mosque_origins

here are some numbers concerning guests on Fox
http://mediamatters.org/research/201008130015

In fact, I’m remembering 5 consecutive days of White House comment on the Ground Zero Mosque. I think that makes it Big News on pretty much anyone’s scorecard.

But, yeah. Fox did it. It’s a damned shame we lost that war. I hope He does better with the Taliban.

CosmosDan said:
Do you watch Fox.? Here’s a timeline of how the story took offhttp://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/16/ground_zero_mosque_origins here are some numbers concerning guests on Foxhttp://mediamatters.org/research/201008130015

LOL poor Barry he just HAD to comment on the ” right” to build the mosque .. Yes FOX made him comment on it once again

murf said:
Just not true .. but hey you’re probably a Media Matters fan . Let me tell you a little secret , they’re full of shit . Media Matters Not Context should be their proper name. It’s sites like those along with Think Progress that is distorting the facts.

Nope it’s true and I learned that by watching Fox and doing my own research. Sometimes, more on some shows than others, they do good reporting. When they decide to push a story and create an impression with a distorted unbalanced delivery they do it on opinion shows and by selecting guests who promote an certain agenda.

You can’t get a balanced picture of an issue by decideing one source is correct and others just lie. They all have spin and opinion. Media matters is not a nuetral as I wish they were but I think their research is decent and I check it against other sources.

murf said:
LOL poor Barry he just HAD to comment on the ” right” to build the mosque .. Yes FOX made him comment on it once again

I never said that or implied it. Try to be relevant if you can.

Geez .. come to think of it since FOX is so powerful, how did Barack get elected ?

CosmosDan said:
Do you watch Fox.?

Here’s a timeline of how the story took off
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/16/ground_zero_mosque_origins

here are some numbers concerning guests on Fox
http://mediamatters.org/research/201008130015

I hope you scrolled through those “against” folks at the MM link of Fox guests. And I should suggest that you might want to look at the polling when you look at the balance of Fox guests. It is not a left/right thing. Not at all, as much as you might wish it were.

As for the Salon link, I come across the first Fox mention, with Laura Ingraham filling in for Bill O, and I can’t help but laugh at your inclusion of it as evidence. I see the New York Post mixing it up early, which is…oh, what’s the word…..? Ah! Local.

Then, I notice that the timeline stops in May 2010. It’s sort of like a flashlight with dead batteries. It could be useful, but it isn’t.

Pablo said:
I hope you scrolled through those “against” folks at the MM link of Fox guests. And I should suggest that you might want to look at the polling when you look at the balance of Fox guests. It is not a left/right thing. Not at all, as much as you might wish it were.

No, it’s a for or agsinst thing with them puposely presenting much more against. Is that fair and balanced. And it’s not only that. I watched them myself. The guests use half truths and innuendo to try and make some possible terrorist connection. They use select quotes from Rauf to evoke a negative reaction.

As for the Salon link, I come across the first Fox mention, with Laura Ingraham filling in for Bill O, and I can’t help but laugh at your inclusion of it as evidence. I see the New York Post mixing it up early, which is…oh, what’s the word…..? Ah! Local. evidence? It’s a timeline of how the narrative evolved. It shows how it went from being a minor story about a perfectly legit building , and then was manipulated into an overblown issue. Initially Fox supported it as a good idea. Then after it was presented as a huge negative by someone else they decided to pursue that angle. The NYT being local is irrelevant to our conversation. Regardless of that Fox made their own decision to push the negative side.

Then, I notice that the timeline stops in May 2010. It’s sort of like a flashlight with dead batteries. It could be useful, but it isn’t.

Actually that date supports my argument and damages yours. It clearly shows that Fox was pursuing the negative slant months before Obama made any comment.

Looking at the Media MAtters chart also showns them trottng out a lot of against guests in the months before Obama commented. Sure other media outlets mentioned it but Fox made a special effort to push the negative.
Check out Youtube to see how many negative clips are dated before Obama’s brief comments. Lots
So your memory about when the story got cooking seems to need correcting.

murf said:
Geez .. come to think of it since FOX is so powerful, how did Barack get elected ?

well it wasn’t from their lack of trying.

This guy is making a valid political statement. If he were burning a bible or American glag, the same idiots screaming in the back ground about hitler and fascism, and taunting him for not revealing his name, would be celebrating his right to express his opinion, Muslim threats of violence don’t dictate how Americans choose to express their views.

The dude’s thinking, “Fuck the safety of our troops, I’m getting attention!”

Sickening, the MSM created pushed the “burn the Quran day” story and now they are fawning over this nut job like a ‘ROCK STAR’.

Sickening

Obama, and his elitist left-wing ilk, continues to advance the tacit narrative that the US is Anti-Islamic!

Like Stimulus, Health Care, Financial Regulation, and Blame for the Sub-Prime Debacle* – HE LIES and deliberately misrepresents the facts constatntly.

How much Damage to Islamic relations did the President’s Grovelling Apology Tour to Islam do?
Didn’t he, in effect, validate – from the dysfunction of his indoctrinated viewpoint – that the US was indeed at war with Islam? If not, then why the Relentless Apologies?
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*The SINGULAR REASON sub-prime securities were able to be sold in amounts large enough to bring down the whole financial system is that Barney Frank put the full faith & credit of the US Goevrnment behind them!
- after Repeated Warnings (on videotape at hearings!) that they were mostly Junk!

Nov. 2 – THROW THE BUMS OUT!

ps) Also, the Blatant LIE that the mosque is a local issue is debunked in the Fact that the terrorists – IN THE NAME OF ISLAM – were attacking a nation, lifestyle & civilization, not New York!

What transpires in the vortex of the mosque debate is a National Issue, not a Local One!

NORBIT said:
Obama, and his elitist left-wing ilk, continues to advance the tacit narrative that the US is Anti-Islamic!

Of course invading two largely Muslim nations in the Middle East probably advanced that anti-Muslim narritive a little bit. Reporting day after day after day that Muslims building a community center in NYC were somehow insulting America probably helped too.

FM: “what will inevitably become a future Al-Qaeda recruitment video?”

Who cares Are you afraid? Maybe al-qaeda’s response will make a nice “kill-a-muslim” video. Ever think of that?

CosmosDan said:
Of course invading two largely Muslim nations in the Middle East probably advanced that anti-Muslim narritive a little bit. Reporting day after day after day that Muslims building a community center in NYC were somehow insulting America probably helped too.

uh…I guess YOU have forgotten that we were attacked first. Al Queda was in Afghanistan. Actually Muslims were not rioting in the streets during the Ground Zero Mosque debate and protests, were they. They only started rioting in the streets when the Liberal MSM did the Terry Jones story…and NEVER during the Ground Zero Mosque debate.

Also the Muslims on the internet don’t call it a “Community Center”, only Liberals do, because that is what Imam Rauf, who backs Sharia Law, has told idiots, BUT before that he was calling it a mosque on his website.

Mr.Papshmer said:
FM: “what will inevitably become a future Al-Qaeda recruitment video?”

You mean like ALL the other ones they have already. Meanwhile Liberals act as if Muslims have NEVER been intolerant

Latin2 said:
Meanwhile Liberals act as if Muslims have NEVER been intolerant

Actually, I’m sort of glad that that chump in Florida started all this. I have now vowed to be intolerant of islam.

CosmosDan said:
Of course invading two largely Muslim nations in the Middle East probably advanced that anti-Muslim narritive a little bit. Reporting day after day after day that Muslims building a community center in NYC were somehow insulting America probably helped too.

I wouldn’t characterize responding to an act of war an “invasion”; nor would I call the ancillary effect of freeing millions of people from a brutal despot – who had killed tens-of-thousands of muslims! – one either.

As for the mosque, there are already over 100 in the city as we post! – and the INTENTIONS of this particular endeavor certainly warrant investigation, given the funding, name (Cordoba), and background of the players involved.
However, even if all intentions were noble or benign, a mosque at ground zero would represent a victory in the eyes of the very people who attacked us (as per Islamic culture), and a gratuitous affront to all the innocent people devastated by what happened on Sept. 11, 2001!

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On an issue that’s not being covered:
Where is the Professional Left Media OUTRAGE over the Fitty-Cents tweet on Gays?

Fitty: “Perez Hilton called me douchebag, so I had my homie shoot up a gay wedding, wasn’t his but sure made me feel better.” (pic of men in suits running from a mob was attached to the tweet)

Let’s see how much coverage the HYPOCRITES in the left-wing MSM will give to this!
- then compare it to the coverage a Conservative Country Singer would receive had they made the same remarks!!

If you want Fair & Balanced News, go to FOX

Why didn’t Obama ask for Muslims in the Muslim world not kill Christians or attack or bomb churches? Muslims killed several Christians in different countries after the “Burn Quran Day” was announced. He should ask them not to be INTOLERANT to the people of other faiths in THEIR COUNTRIES over what is going on

Muslims, and even Muslim leaders like in Pakistan and Indonesia, have interjected in the “Burn Quran Day” and have asked the U.S. government to do something TO PROTECT A BOOK…yet Obama and our government NEVER ask for the same treatment of Christians, Hindus or people who practice other religions to be treated with tolerance in their countries. They under constant attack everyday.

Why hasn’t Obama asked for the same treatment of THEIR religious minorities, when they interject in things going on in the U.S.? Christians and other religious minorities in Muslim countries HAVE IT WORSE…than Muslims in the U.S., yet those same governments interject in our business.

Latin2 said:
Why didn’t Obama ask for Muslims in the Muslim world not kill Christians or attack or bomb churches? Muslims killed several Christians in different countries after the “Burn Quran Day” was announced. He should ask them not to be INTOLERANT to the people of other faiths in THEIR COUNTRIES over what is going on

Latin, might I also throw in the concern for the troops Democrats have expressed over the burning?

Where was all this “concern” when their in-house publication, the NY Times, was publishing WEEKS of pics & stories about Abu Ghraib? – or when the Times publicizes classified military information?

These Progressive Democrats will exploit any situation, and LIE about anything to further their discredited politic and philosophy! – Stimulus – Health care – Financial Reform; you name it, Barry & the Democrats will LIE about it!

11-02-10 —– Make sure everyone you know gets out to PURGE the Dems from power!

Norbert, then CosmosDan left out an important part of his post…THE LIBERALS VOTED for both wars.

Liberals are both ignorant and crazy.

Latin2 said:
Norbert, then CosmosDan left out an important part of his post…THE LIBERALS VOTED for both wars. You are correct. Abu Grb, TODAY, is the biggest Islamic terrorist recruiting tool. It was the Liberal MSM who published the photos, and that was after our military pleaded with them, that if they did it would incite hatred and violence…and it did. ..and also the fake “Quran in the toilet” published by Liberal Newsweek, that caused the death of several people, mainly Arab Christians…and funny that the Liberals NEVER discuss their killings, murders and attacks by Muslims on Christians, Hindus and others in Muslim countries…yet they scream about how intolerant WE, THE USA, IS. Liberals are both ignorant and crazy.

Keep up the GOOD Fight! – I was at a friend’s party last night, and dozens of people who rarely have any ineterst in politics, were FUMING about what’s going on – and can’t wait to throw the Dems out in November!

Keep Spreading The Word! —– REAL AMERICA vs. the DEMOCRATS!

I WAS a Democrat about a couple of years ago, but the party was taken over by the FAR LEFT and people who hate the U.S.

bugspot1 said:
nutsofast says:

Real really need to get off your 100% shit diet bugshit!

Nutsofast, I can always count on you for deep conversation

And BEFORE you say it, I’m not going anywhere near your nuts
We do have a bathroom in the Airport here in Minnesota that you and your buddies seem to like

That’s not a bathroom; that’s your house!

Muslims: “Don’t blame us all for the crazy behavior of a few on 9/11.”

“Lone Pastor Threatens to Burn Koran”

Muslims: “Death to America. Death to America”

Don’t blame an entire group for the actions of a few individuals. That’s something that all of those conservatives do. Every last one of them.

The true intolerat ones are those that threaten violence in response to a free and private individual expressig himself in a peaceful manner.

While I don’t agree with the burning of a Quran, I have far greater respect for individual liberty and free expression.

The rest of you are simply just anti-liberty bigots.

NORBIT said:
I wouldn’t characterize responding to an act of war an “invasion”; nor would I call the ancillary effect of freeing millions of people from a brutal despot – who had killed tens-of-thousands of muslims! – one either.

I wouldn’t call respondoing to an act of terrorism an invasion either , but I’d question the wisdom of years of combat.
Regardless of Saddam’s brutality it is not our place to decide who is allowed to rule in other countaries. It amazes that the Iraq war, which cost hundreds of billions of dollars, thousands of American lives, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives, is justified as kiberation, and freedom, but here in the USA Muslim citizens are discouraged from exercising the freedoms we say we’re fighting for.

As for the mosque, there are already over 100 in the city as we post! – and the INTENTIONS of this particular endeavor certainly warrant investigation, given the funding, name (Cordoba), and background of the players involved.

We have profressional agencies for that kind of investigating. What doesn’t help at all is half truths and innuendo spread by the media for ratings.

However, even if all intentions were noble or benign, a mosque at ground zero would represent a victory in the eyes of the very people who attacked us (as per Islamic culture), and a gratuitous affront to all the innocent people devastated by what happened on Sept. 11, 2001!

It makes no sense to me that a Mosque four blocks away is okay, but a community center 2 blocks away is a sign of victory for radical Islam.How will it represent victory when Christians, Jews and Muslims will be praying together. How about it being a sign that we really live up to the principles of freedom that we talked about when we invaded Iraq? I feel for the families who lost loved ones on 9/11 but some of them were also Muslims and Muslims have served and died in our military since then. Some of the 9/11 families are against it and some are for it. A good article by one from Sept 8th titled “My Husband Didn’t Stand for Hate”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raina-wallens/exploiting-911-to-promote_b_707549.html

Here on the Wiiki page you’ll see quotes from familes both for and against. IMO the folks that are for seem more about true healing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park51

There’s an article called “What Would Jesus Do: Burn the Quran or Eat with His Muslim Neighbors?”
in which he talks about real outreach happeneing in Seattle;

Ly, 29, is a pastor at Soma — Renton, a nondenominational church formerly called Harambee Church. An accountant by day, his aim to build better understanding between evangelical Christians and Muslims is purely a grass-roots effort.

And it’s an effort he thinks is growing nationwide, especially among those his age and younger.

“There’s a part of the evangelical Christian church that believes the rhetoric out there about Muslims is ignorant,” he says. That part of the church “is saying: ‘This is not the way Jesus would want us to respond to the Muslim community.’”

So far, Ly has organized a panel discussion on who Jesus is, attended by some 150 Muslims and 150 Christians from local evangelical churches. He’s led workshops on what Muslims and Christians believe.

It ssems to me we’d live by our principles more if something like this was done at Cordoba house to show the radicals that Muslims, that Muslims, Christians and Jews can live in peace and respect.

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Latin2 said:
Why didn’t Obama ask for Muslims in the Muslim world not kill Christians or attack or bomb churches? Muslims killed several Christians in different countries after the “Burn Quran Day” was announced. He should ask them not to be INTOLERANT to the people of other faiths in THEIR COUNTRIES over what is going on

That’s already being done. Obama is the President of this country, not theirs, but we have agencies already addressing human rights.

It amuses me all those who parrot the claims of our President and Gen. Petraeus and denounce this guy and that pastor in Florida because their actions might put our troops ‘in harm’s way’ by making radical Muslims mad at us. As if these crazies weren’t angry at us before. As if our invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, the killing of tens of thousands of their people, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, ‘renditions’, drone missile strikes, secret detentions, etc. haven’t done that already. Glenn Greenwald of Salon sums it all up better than me, so I”ll just post a link to his article from Friday:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/09/10/blood/index.html

Like he says in the article– the sentiment of which is echoed by More Liberty above– using fear of possible attacks by people who already attack us to stifle our freedom is a slippery slope. To claim that some nutcase burning a Koran on his front lawn in Florida is a recruiting tool for Al Qaeda when we have Blackwater mercenaries killing Iraqi civilians without consequence is facetious to say the least. While our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq might be in harm’s way, they’re there supposedly in part to protect these wacky pastors’ and activists’ rights to do exactly the obnoxious things they’re doing.

South Park’s Super Best Friends episodes from this past season are an excellent example of just how ridiculous this sort of censorship is. When they couldn’t show Mohammed they put him in the back of a van, then in a bear costume. Guess what? The Muslim world was still incensed. Even when it was later revealed that it was Santa Claus inside the bear suit, the creators received threats to their lives. All this proves is that some people are just itching to be angry at something and nothing can assuage that kind of venom.

The same people who are deriding Terry Jones are the same ones who defend Andres Serrano (of ‘Piss Christ’ fame), Chris Ofili (see Brooklyn Museum of Art vs. Rudy Guliani), and other controversial artists of their ilk. As long as someone is provoking the conservatives, Catholics, the ‘establishment’, well, that’s OK– Freedom of Expression is unassailable.

But the hypocrisy runs even deeper that that. The same people who defend our Muslim brothers and sisters see no problem poking fun at Mormons. No joke– just read any comment section in a Salon article where the name Glenn Beck is mentioned (i.e. just about every piece written by Joan Walsh), and someone will pop up to call out the fact that he’s a Mormon and then assail the beliefs of the Church of Latter Day Saints and how reactionary they supposedly are.

It all makes me so upset, I think I’m going to organize a rally to publicly burn a copy of Dianetics. Who’s with me?

solidarity said:
I am white as printer paper.

Why am I not surprised that another leftwing racist shows up here?

Latin2 said:
Muslims, and even Muslim leaders like in Pakistan and Indonesia, have interjected in the “Burn Quran Day” and have asked the U.S. government to do something TO PROTECT A BOOK…yet Obama and our government NEVER ask for the same treatment of Christians, Hindus or people who practice other religions to be treated with tolerance in their countries. They under constant attack everyday.

Why hasn’t Obama asked for the same treatment of THEIR religious minorities, when they interject in things going on in the U.S.? Christians and other religious minorities in Muslim countries HAVE IT WORSE…than Muslims in the U.S., yet those same governments interject in our business.

I agree that we shouldn’t be apologizing for our freedoms. Point out that US flags and US cirtizens are burned in effigy on a regular basis and innocent people are persecuted for even practicing Although we don’t condone book burning, in a free society citrizens are allowed free expression even if it’s viewed as disrespectful by some. It’s one of the results of freedom. I also hope our ambassadors are not accepting criticism from countaries that practice religious oppression. If you won’t even allow a Christian church to be built then don’t critisize our freedoms. None of us want top put our troops in harms way by at some point the ridiculous reaction of radicals can’t be catered to. Treat them like the crimianls they are.

NORBIT said:
Latin, might I also throw in the concern for the troops Democrats have expressed over the burning?

Where was all this “concern” when their in-house publication, the NY Times, was publishing WEEKS of pics & stories about Abu Ghraib? – or when the Times publicizes classified military information?

There is a wee bit of difference between a major issue like Abu Ghraib and one nut in a tiny church.

I think the press responded to the words of Gen Petraeus.

writer said:
Don’t blame an entire group for the actions of a few individuals. That’s something that all of those conservatives do. Every last one of them.

wins ironic post of the thread award

CosmosDan said:
That’s already being done. Obama is the President of this country, not theirs, but we have agencies already addressing human rights.

Really? Which ones? Two of those sites that are monitoring crimes against Christians, Hindus and others in Islamic countries are two of the same sties who are investigating Imam Rauf and are now being attacked by the Liberal MSM.

Then the Presidents and Prime Ministers of THEIR counties should not get involved in our business, and Obama should tell them that

CosmosDan said:
wins ironic post of the thread award

Once again you have not read about Imam Rauf…he wants SHARIA LAW,, and wants it in the U.S.. Which means he IS a radical. The same person who wants Sharia Law is Osama Bin Laden.

NORBIT said:

Keep Spreading The Word! —– REAL AMERICA vs. the DEMOCRATS!

Latin2 said:

Liberals are both ignorant and crazy.

This kind of blind partisan rhetoric does not serve America or represent it’s principles. We need reasoned rational discussions of the issues armed with facts rather than blind emotion.
IMO if you truly love America you honor the democratic process and make the effort to communicate and understand rather than throw insults at anyone who disagrees with you and label an entire group of your countrymen as liars of unAmerican.

I’ll respond to you when you’ve made the effort to behave like rational American citizens rather wallow in partisan hatred. You want to be listened to? Give what you want to recieve.

Latin2 said:
Once again you have not read about Imam Rauf…he wants SHARIA LAW,, and wants it in the U.S.. Which means he IS a radical. The same person who wants Sharia Law is Osama Bin Laden.

I don’t believe that’s true or that you have any serious evidence to back that up.

Do evangelical and fundamentalist Christians believe Christianity is the only true religion. Do they want to convert everyone? Even if some Muslims do want Sharia law and believe it’s the right thing for the whole world , they have zero chance of making that happen. It’s just not a realsitic concern. Christianity has had a major voice in America since the begining but so far no chance of a theocracy.
I don’t know that much about Sharia law so I’ll be reading up on it. I hope you get your information from more places than just right wing TV and blogs.

Cosmos, I thought of it more as satire than irony, but whatever. What gets me about the left (many, but not all, LOL) is that they’ll call on the tea party to repeatedly denounce the racists in their midst if they spot a couple of rude tee shirts in a crowd of thousands. So where are the repeated calls on Muslims to denounce the radicals in their midst? As for the argument “What if it were a Mormon church or a Catholic church? Should we condemn all for a handful of polygamists or pedophiles?” No, we shouldn’t. On the other hand, Mormons and Catholics aren’t noted for making death threats any time something disparaging is said about their religions. It seems the left (many, not all) never hesitate to point out what’s wrong with other religions, but with Islam, they believe we should reserve judgment and be more understanding.

Actually I am still a registered Democrat. Now I did not know that the Ground Zero Mosque controversy was a “Democrat vs Republican issuse” in fact many Democrats are against the Ground Zero Mosque. In many of the polls 70% of the Americans are against the Ground Zero Mosque, and 64% of New Yorkers are against the Ground Zero Mosque…now are you telling me that 70% of Americans and 65% of New Yorkers are Republicans? I believe it is those who are for the Ground Zero Mosque are the ones who are seeing this as a Democrat vs Republican issue and are out of touch with the MAJORITY of the public

CosmosDan said:
I don’t believe that’s true or that you have any serious evidence to back that up.

Do evangelical and fundamentalist Christians believe Christianity is the only true religion. Do they want to convert everyone? Even if some Muslims do want Sharia law and believe it’s the right thing for the whole world , they have zero chance of making that happen. It’s just not a realsitic concern. Christianity has had a major voice in America since the begining but so far no chance of a theocracy.
I don’t know that much about Sharia law so I’ll be reading up on it. I hope you get your information from more places than just right wing TV and blogs.

I would not have posted it…If he didn’t say it;

Here is Imam Rauf advoacting Sharia Law;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmZ0Qmqn3Wo

CosmosDan said:
There is a wee bit of difference between a major issue like Abu Ghraib and one nut in a tiny church. I think the press responded to the words of Gen Petraeus.

…but the ostensible concern for our troops under either should not be different – yet, for the Democratic Left and their media lapdogs, it certainly was!

Another point, There are no Liberal Muslims, only Moderate and Conservative Muslims. Liberal Muslims are basically atheists. Have you ever heard of the MSM talking about LIBERAL Muslims? NEVER.

Liberals talk about “Conservatives”, but Imam Rauf and people who want Sharia Law…are extremests and are like Pastor Terry Jones and Fred Phelps. Sharia Law is MORE repressive and far right then they are in what they want. Rauf just hides it more, but wants it. Or he would not be advocating for Sharia Law.

CosmosDan said:
This kind of blind partisan rhetoric does not serve America or represent it’s principles. We need reasoned rational discussions of the issues armed with facts rather than blind emotion.IMO if you truly love America you honor the democratic process and make the effort to communicate and understand rather than throw insults at anyone who disagrees with you and label an entire group of your countrymen as liars of unAmerican. I’ll respond to you when you’ve made the effort to behave like rational American citizens rather wallow in partisan hatred. You want to be listened to? Give what you want to recieve.

Nice try CD, but I think your post should more aptly be forwarded onto the White House, naacp, or the MSM!

It’s self-evident that I, and Latin2, have addressed both substance and reason throughout today’s threads, and can be granted a modicum of poetic invective; unlike the Professional Left, who routinely use character assasination and racial-religious-ethnic Smear tactics as a calculated means to stifle discourse!

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One of the deadliest periods in west bank history was Muslim reaction to Israeli officials just stepping foot on property Islam considers sacred. They didn’t do anything to the property they just set foot on it. Islamic leaders called for the death of a cartoonist who DREW A PICTURE of the prophet. In other words we are talking about an extremist religion that uses violence as an answer to anyone who disagrees with their teaching. NOTHING we do will please them or make them like us any better.

As for our troop i am sure this will upset the terrorist, EVERYTHING upsets the terrorist. Funny the press had no problems reporting the FALSE claim that Qur’ans were being flushed down toilet in Gitmo, or US troops were killing innocent civilians. Why the sudden concern for our troops by the press?

This burning of the pages may not be the smartest thing in the world, but it is a legitimate protest and must be protected as any other legitimate protest.

RICK JOHNSON—”Nothing we do will please them”.yes there is we can conveert or die.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Good. Let the media go crazy.Hopefully the Koran burnings will continue until the media gets bored with them and they become commonplace, like all our other freedoms. Then maybe I can finally see a South Park with an image of Muhammad in it.

WOW , for once I can give you a thumbs up B_F_D!!!

“Cenk Uygur spoke very elegantly about the same thing yesterday.
He actually said that if the radicals start violence over this then we should hit back hard.”

So this is the beginning of the left becoming pro-war. Never saw that coming…

Why doesn’t America just admit with all their manpower and high tech weapons, they still can’t defeat a bunch of cowherders from the middle ages and in fact turn tail and run at the thought of upsetting a few more of them.

More Liberty said:
Where is all the outrage from the liberals when flags are burned, Jesus is made fun of on Comedy Central, and when crosses are put in puckets of urine. Personally, I stand by these acts as an individual has the right to free expression. Yet the liberals celebrate these actions, or at least stay mum,

Also, we must respect a persons right to build a mosque, although no one is threatening him with violence.

Which flags? The Confederate flags I see many conservatives sport on the backs of their pickups?

–Cobra

Check out the news. Christians are stabbed and beaten by angry Muslims in Indonesia.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/christian-church-leaders-stabbed-assaulted-in-indonesia/story-e6frfku0-1225920040503

I wonder if CNN, MSNBC, CBS and the New York Times will cover this story with the same intensity that they devoted to an unknown preacher threatening to burn a book.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
The Right is also minimizing the culpability of the Islamic radicals to put the blame squarely on the media.

It’s kinda funny when you realize the Right hates the media more than the terrorists.

I hate them both equally. Maybe someone should set ten prominent media figures on fire and televise it on pay-per-view. They would make a billion dollars. (Uh oh, I hope the Comcast folks aren’t reading this).

But seriously, you leftists need to try to understand the “root causes” of my hate. After all, you leftists are all about finding root causes. In fact, it’s one of your favorite tactics when shifting blame for terrorism from Islamic radicals to someone else. When I turn on the TV or computer and am called a bigot and a racist non-stop by the mainstream media, and hear them talk about the vast majority of people in this country with sneering contempt, why shouldn’t I hate them?

As to your first point, it is ONLY people on the right who are blaming the Islamic maniacs. The left excuses them and blames “Islamophobia” here at home for their insane behavior. When it comes to the media, they have been wailing about how this pissant wacko preacher in Florida could hold the entire world hostage, without recognizing that the media, and only the media, is to blame for his worldwide notoriety (FYI, just another reason the media is so hated in this country). It’s so ironic: it is the leftists in the media who censored the Mohammed cartoons out of fear of getting their throats cut — justifiably so, as it turned out. But they still refuse to hold accountable the illiterate screaming Islamic mobs in Pakistan and Afghanistan for the death and destruction they cause. The left prefers instead to blame all of us alleged bigots here at home.

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libra blue said:
@TfT, “I didn’t see any coverage of this page burning. But I’m sure CNN and MSNBC will give it massive coverage and Wolf with breathlessly talk about it, and Keith and Rachel will call this man hateful, pathetic, and a racist, because that is just what they do.” For those guys on CNN and MSNBC this incident is like a double dose of Viagra . I thought the MSM was going to honor the victims for at least today, but they just continued to defend the Muslim community that spawned the terrorists.

FOX won’t show it because they started this crap by inciting people to anti-Muslim behavior. They’re damage is done, they’ll just sit back and let their sheep do the dirty deeds now.

tatboy said:
Yes… the ONLY religion that can be “disrespected” is a faith based on Christ. South Park proved that with an episode that had muhaammad censored but Christ could be shit on… literally. Do you really this these liberal MSM types would give 2 shits if someone was burning the Bible… HELL NO. I say this as a non-believer. But I can spot bullshit from a mile away.

I’ll bet you can spot it in a mirror, as well.

greg454 said:
Publicity whore my ass, that man didn’t even speak, didn’t give a website, he simply took a stand against radical Islam. By burning two pages he showed the entire Muslim world that we’re not afraid of them. As for danger to our troops, guess what? If you don’t want danger don’t join the military. Our military fights for freedom! They took an oath to uphold the constitution which includes the right to free speech, an oath that General Petraeus seems to have forgotten.

He didn’t speak because he’s chickenshit.

murf said:
We are at war with fundamental Islam . You either get that or you don’t . The MSM is playing coy and trying to downplay the facts. Fort Hood , Detroit bomber , Time Square bomber prove that . Obama can apologize , shake hands , soften the tone , it doesn’t matter .Hamas , Iran , Hezbollah, Al Qaeda etc , do not want peace. They want genocide of Israel and the US. Military force is the only answer . Yes it sucks and hard to face , but until we realize that , we will be stuck in the same place , with the same results .

We are at war with RADICAL Islam. Terrorism knows no religious bound, Timothy McVey and the Unabomber proved that fact.

Pablo said:
So, where’s the video?

So, where’s your brain?

Pablo said:
And what race are you?

And what species are you?

tatboy said:
Yes… the ONLY religion that can be “disrespected” is a faith based on Christ. South Park proved that with an episode that had muhaammad censored but Christ could be shit on… literally. Do you really this these liberal MSM types would give 2 shits if someone was burning the Bible… HELL NO. I say this as a non-believer. But I can spot bullshit from a mile away.

What world do YOU live in? South Park has satirized Catholicisism, Judaism, Mormonism, Christian Scientology, and knows no bound.

More Liberty said:
Speaking of tolerance, I wonder what would happen if you stood in Jerusalem ad burned a bible, and at the same time someone else burned a Quran.

Speaking of intelligence, THIS is not Jerusalem. This is AMERICA, a land where religious tolerance was a basis of our Constitution, which you Reaich Wingers love to defend when it fits YOUR agenda.

Paula said:
You also cannot knock Martin Luther King, or say that Black do poorly in school, despite 50 years of disproportionate advantages like Head Start, because Black women let black men have sex with them without marriage and without regard to whether the men are suitable fathers. There used to be a comic named Don Rickles who made fun of EVERYONE”S race, and ethnicity. Its when we all decided we were “offended” by these comments in this politically correct world that problems developed. Give me a man like the Clint Eastwood character in Gran Torino anytime. At least I KNOW he’s not a phoney.

Don Rickles was a COMEDIAN, and people knew the difference. Rickles also made fun of his OWN ethnicity.

Mr.Papshmer said:
FM: “what will inevitably become a future Al-Qaeda recruitment video?” Who cares Are you afraid? Maybe al-qaeda’s response will make a nice “kill-a-muslim” video. Ever think of that?

Al-Quadea DOES kill Muslims, you moron. They kill any Muslim who refuses to join their terrorist movement. Where is our outrage for THEIR rights?

Paula said:
You also cannot knock Martin Luther King, or say that Black do poorly in school, despite 50 years of disproportionate advantages like Head Start, because Black women let black men have sex with them without marriage and without regard to whether the men are suitable fathers.

I get your passion, and your train of thought has merit, but you’re off the tracks a bit there. Martin Luther King was “knocked” plenty. He was villified, beaten, falsely imprisoned and ASSASINATED, remember? Head Start isn’t just for Black kids, and women of all races engage in premarital, post-marital and extramarital sex. If you don’t believe me, there are some clubs in Vegas you should visit on a holiday weekend.

MoDans55 said:
Al-Quadea DOES kill Muslims, you moron. They kill any Muslim who refuses to join their terrorist movement. Where is our outrage for THEIR rights?

You’re missing the point about the right wingers who post here. Most of them couldn’t give a rat’s ass about ANYBODY’s rights, save those who look like them, and are in lock step agreement with everything they themselves believe in.

Integr8d said:
“Cenk Uygur spoke very elegantly about the same thing yesterday.He actually said that if the radicals start violence over this then we should hit back hard.” So this is the beginning of the left becoming pro-war. Never saw that coming…

I don’t know about that. People on the RIGHT need to admit that our actions in the middle east over the past century–CIA black-bag operations, coups, propping up thugs and dictators, enabling, providing logistics and in some cases weapons used in the killing of THOUSANDS all in the name of Western corporate greed–would lead to hate and blowback. Violence begets violence in a never ending cycle.

You don’t see any jihads declared against Switzerland, do you?

–Cobra

NORBIT said:
…but the ostensible concern for our troops under either should not be different – yet, for the Democratic Left and their media lapdogs, it certainly was!

I guess that means you are also upset by Fox News relentless demonizing of the so called Ground Zero Mosque for weeks. They hammer that story for weeks and then decide not to cover religious intolernce in Gainsville.

Latin2 said:
I would not have posted it…If he didn’t say it;

Here is Imam Rauf advoacting Sharia Law;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmZ0Qmqn3Wo

Okay. He also describes the 5 basic principles which seem much different than your impression. He doesn’t say he wants to replace our legal system with Sharia law, he saws form a principles point of view {the 5 he mentioned} we are already similar.

NORBIT said:
Nice try CD, but I think your post should more aptly be forwarded onto the White House, naacp, or the MSM!

It’s self-evident that I, and Latin2, have addressed both substance and reason throughout today’s threads, and can be granted a modicum of poetic invective; unlike the Professional Left, who routinely use character assasination and racial-religious-ethnic Smear tactics as a calculated means to stifle discourse!

I don’t support either side using those kind of useless insults. The problem is you throw out a few quotes and links as if they prove something , then when someone seriously challanges you with evidence of their own that contradicts you , you resort to insults rather than maintaining a rational discussion.
Of course that’s your choice but I maintain that it’s counter productive and does nothing to serve the democratic process.

greg454 said:
Publicity whore my ass, that man didn’t even speak, didn’t give a website, he simply took a stand against radical Islam. By burning two pages he showed the entire Muslim world that we’re not afraid of them. As for danger to our troops, guess what? If you don’t want danger don’t join the military. Our military fights for freedom! They took an oath to uphold the constitution which includes the right to free speech, an oath that General Petraeus seems to have forgotten.

Do you know what you sound like???Showing someone you are not afraid of them is worth someone dieing for your actions,seems to be to be beyond being stupid.

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Islam does NOT do random.
The idea here that will be widely understood is that this mosque is another triumphal mosque, another victory mosque like the Dome of the Rock and the al-Aqsa Mosque on the site of the Temple Mount and the Umayyad Mosque in Damascus.
600 feet from ground zero
The reason for the interest in this property in particular is its iconic status in relation to the 9/11 attacks.
Ground zero is were their brave terroists received their 72 virgins, it is their holy land.
Aerial photo of World Trade Center Ground Zero following Sept. 11 attacks. Red square to right of Ground Zero marks former Burlington Coat Factory and proposed location of Cordoba House.

It should be mentioned that part of one of the hijacked planes went through the building in question. That makes it very much a part of Ground Zero.
http://www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/printer-friendly.asp?tid=16201&mid=

ISLAM doesn’t do random!
Cordoba House Mosque(ground zero mosque)
It is named after the bloody Muslim conquest of Cordoba, Spain, in 711. It will be seen as another Islamic victory.

Larry King said:
Do you know what you sound like???Showing someone you are not afraid of them is worth someone dieing for your actions,seems to be to be beyond being stupid.

So you believe that a society made up of free individuals should not practice free speech and free expression if they are threatened with violence? Who wins in this situation? It appears that fear wins in this situation, and you are simply bowing down to the extremists.

But you also prove a good point. The true intolerant ones are those that threaten violence over free speech.

felixw said:
Check out the news. Christians are stabbed and beaten by angry Muslims in Indonesia. http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/christian-church-leaders-stabbed-assaulted-in-indonesia/story-e6frfku0-1225920040503 I wonder if CNN, MSNBC, CBS and the New York Times will cover this story with the same intensity that they devoted to an unknown preacher threatening to burn a book.

Indonesia has the largest concentration of Muslims in the world.

This is what is meant by “knocking down the entire house to rebuild a bathroom”.

The idiots burning the Qu’ran and inciting hatred towards all of Islam don’t pay attention to the fact that only 20% of Muslims live in the Middle East.

It’s a big world out there…it’d be nice if these morons would stop pissing off 1/4 of the world’s population.

All Muslims believe Sharia is God’s law, but differ as to what exactly it entails. Modernists, traditionalists and fundamentalists all hold different views of Sharia, as do adherents to different schools of Islamic thought and scholarship. Different countries and cultures have varying interpretations of Sharia as well.
It is a religious code for living, in the same way that the Bible offers a moral system for Christians.
so to paint the Imam as believing in Sharia law as something evil, you would also have to believe pastors, priest and rabbis who follow their God’s law as evil too – do we paint all catholics as pedophiles, all ministers with the same brush as Rev. Wright or Rev. Jones, all rabbis as fanatics – please lets have some sanity on this site

SpineCrusher said:
The idiots burning the Qu’ran and inciting hatred towards all of Islam don’t pay attention to the fact that only 20% of Muslims live in the Middle East.

Got it, so a free and private individual should curtail their right to free expression and freedom of choice out of fear.

While you might not agree with his actions, you should at least respect his rights. Why should anyone curtail their freedoms because of some intolerant fanatics? I think you agree that there is an aspect of intolerance on the side of fanatics that would kill/attack because a person simply expressed himself in a peaceful means.

Those that are truly intolerant, are those that would cause physical harm because they didn’t like what someone else had done. How does it feel to live your life in such a state of fear?

Then start burning Bibles

The minute Bibles are being burnt, people on the right will lose their shit and go biserk with how it should NOT be allowed, etc….