This is just flat-out racism toward the president. There is no other explanation.

“…especially when you recall the patience he displayed for Fox News’ Brett Baier.”

Ah, the poor President, Brett Baier didn’t let him get away with rambling 17 minute statements after questions. I said statements because the President rarely gives answers. To be fair to the President avoiding the issues in a questions is a trait of politicians of all stripes. The 17 minute rambling non-answer is a President Obama speciality.

Biased headline.

Nice to see liberals pressuring Obama.

Oh man, protesters that actually know what the hell they are talking about, haven’t seen that since… since the last protest in Washington DC. No not the tea party ones, no the gay rights rally in DC less than a year ago.

Why is Obama so tuff with his fellow Americans, but then such a Giant Pussy when it comes to dictators?

Wow- headlines like this brings out more gay posters like m and Snipzor than a Liberace Revival Concert.

Munch says:
April 20, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Wow- headlines like this brings out more gay posters like m and Snipzor than a Liberace Revival Concert.

LIberace? showing your age, Munch…I had to google :^)

Wow Munch, calling someone gay as an insult?! Wow! Amazing! Brilliant! If only I were actually offended, it might have made you look like something other than a complete fucktard.

/Pardon the language

Snipzor- now you come across as a self-hating gay..

Sooooo sad.

I’m all for gay rights, but it’s pretty bizarre that the LGBT community has not made much of a fuss about their rights UNTIL they got a president who’s on their side to yell at.

Where were they during the Bush years? Where are the protests against the legislators in California or New York who banned gay marriage? WHY ARE THEY YELLING AT THE HIGHEST-RANKING OFFICIAL WHO HAS EVER SUPPORTED THEM? There are so few events on the calendars for LGBT rights like there were for civil rights in the ’50s or ’60s; why? You’re barking up the wrong tree!

BTW, Snipzor, Lee would have loved that joke.

“I’m all for gay rights, but it’s pretty bizarre that the LGBT community has not made much of a fuss about their rights UNTIL they got a president who’s on their side to yell at.”

No. Just no. You obviously have never really paid much attention to the mass amount of shit Bush got from the gay rights groups. Or the mass amounts of shit senators and representatives have got, ever heard of a Santorum?

“Now you come across as a self-hating gay”

Hardly, you come off however as the average social conservative asshole who can’t wait to pull the reverse discrimination card. So please, STFU about shit you don’t know shit about.

Snipzor- you are just your everyday, self-hating gay who is angry at the world, asshole. Stick it up yours.

Maybe they were imposters, put there by the those wiley Republicans.

Snipzor, are you still trying to convince everyone that the entire world is really homosexual?

You are pathetic- join the Catholic church and get your thrills.

valkyrie101 says:
April 20, 2010 at 1:50 pm

Maybe they were imposters, put there by the those wiley Republicans.”

You are projecting again.

Say whatever the fuck you want, I’m as queer as a 3 dollar bill and as open as an open fucking door (No symbolism there, I ain’t hiding nothing). You come across as a bigot, because seriously? Using “gay” as an insult, fuck you.

Using “gay” as an insult, fuck you.”

LOL

You made it into and insult not me, ahole.

How is that a biased headline? In what direction?

The article is about gays , you are gay and I mention gay and I made gay an insult??

ROTFLMFAO!

Tommy Christopher says:
April 20, 2010 at 1:53 pm

How is that a biased headline? In what direction?”

I think some feel BHO didn’t “Lose it.”

Snipzor continues to use the “F” word.

I think Joe Klein had you in mind when he spoke of hateful speech, Snipzor. You are such an angry liberal.

The Obamessiah is becoming UNHINGED… he is FALLING APART just like the rest of the LIBS and Demo-RATS!!1 And Munch — I could not agree more with EVERY SINGLE WORD you say!!1 People like you are the TRUE VOICE of the New Conservative Movement, and NOTHING could make me HAPPIER!!1 Keep up the GREAT WORK!!1

People like you are the TRUE VOICE of the New Conservative Movement, and NOTHING could make me HAPPIER!!1 Keep up the GREAT WORK!!1″

Thanks, loser lib! I’m sure you bend over everyday!

Beautiful!!1 Just BEAUTIFUL!!1 “bend over everyday”!!1 Our Movement is in GOOD HANDS!!1 I bet you have a lot of awesome BARNEY FRANK jokes!!1

I bet you have a lot of awesome BARNEY FRANK jokes!!1″

Barney is his own joke and I bet you know him inside and out.

LOL

BTW, Karl, when you bend over do you ask for regular or premium??

ROTFLMAO!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!111

Tommy Christopher is absolutely wrong when he wrote that Obama is supportive of Gays. Obama is absolutely AGAINST gay marriage. Obama has demanded that the House NOT remove DADT in the Military appropriations bill. Obama has made only a single pro-gay gesture ant that is to possibly allow gays hospital visitation rights – but that is a memorandum and will not be enforcable now, in the near future or after Obama leaves office. It is an empty gesture.

Action speaks louder than words. And Obama has not taken any substantial action. Yes, he promised to end DADT, to be gay inclusive of ENDA and to end DOMA. However, he has not lifted a finger for any of these actions. Just the opposite, his Justice Dept has poached gays – equating them with molesters.

Obama speaks out of both sides of his mouth – to mollify both Gays and Anti-gays. He has taken NO action. Don’t be fooled by the talking heads on the TV. He told HRC he would be supportive of gay rights – NOT that he would take action. See the difference?

Know that the Dems and Repubs are merely different sides of the same token. They are both owned, of, by and for the corporations and those people who have the wealth. Middle-class and poor people do not own FOX, MSNBC, CBS, Radio and Print. We have no substantial voice – except on the web. Don’t repeat what you hear – the truth will never be spoken in the media. The rich use the media to increase their wealth. Please, think for yourself. It isn’t smart to just repeat what you hear on TV.

Munch says:
April 20, 2010 at 1:20 pm

Wow- headlines like this brings out more gay posters like m and Snipzor than a Liberace Revival Concert.

I’m starting to think that Munch is just another Karl Spensen wannabe (or perhaps, they are one I the same). Dude… what the hell? Give it a rest already.

According to Olbermann, Garofalo, and so many others on the left, the only reason anyone can ever have a disagreement with Obama is because they resent a black man in the White House. This whole gay rights thing must be a smoke screen for a bunch of racists.

ImNotBlue says:
April 20, 2010 at 3:34 pm

STFU,

Munch says:
April 20, 2010 at 3:48 pm

So which is it? Are you another “Karl?” Actually “Karl?” Or just a right-wing version of so many of the left-wing posters on this site?

When you get a sense of humor, give me a call.

Oh, and don’t try the ” you have to be gay to tell a gay joke” hypocrisy on me either.

Munch says:
April 20, 2010 at 4:25 pm

Oh, it’s not that. It’s the fact that you’re using “gay” as some sort of attack. I think we can be better than that.

Don’t let the guttersnipes around here make you one of them. That doesn’t accomplish anything.

LOL

m and Snipzor are gay and proud of it.

And so was Liberace.

Show me where it was an attack. The article is abt gays, m and Snipzor are gay and so was Lee. Proudly so, I might add.

You are way over sensitive and when you attack like spnizor did, you put yourself in very questionable company.

Munch says:
April 20, 2010 at 4:49 pm

And you know they’re gay how? And the issue with this would be what, exactly?

You are making gay an issue and it is apparent that you are a hypocrite who believes only gays can tell gay jokes.

How do I know Snipzor and m are gay? M has referred to it a number of times. And snipzor?

You are joking right?

sniipzor says:
April 20, 2010 at 1:51 pm

“Say whatever the fuck you want, I’m as queer as a 3 dollar bill and as open as an open fucking door (No symbolism there, I ain’t hiding nothing).”

ImNotBlue: Tear down your closet.”

BTW, you still haven’t show were using the word gay is an attack, hypocrite.

Munch says:
April 20, 2010 at 5:13 pm

Can you give me a link to the Snips quote? I don’t remember seeing that.

Still waiting on the evidence about “M.”

Munch says:
April 20, 2010 at 5:16 pm

Scroll up… anyone who disagrees with you suggest they’re gay too. The insufferable Karl, you make a comment. You made a comment about me a few posts ago. And there was the post I already highlighted, which is predicated on stereotypes and generally unpleasant.

But this goofy semantic argument reminds me a lot of other’s I’ve had with some of the band of regulars around here… specifically John T, who likes to play this game. Funny… he started posting a lot less, right around when you showed up. Hmmm.

Can you give me a link to the Snips quote? I don’t remember seeing that.”

LOL it’s on this post, asshat.

Still waiting on evidence about m.” So in your world everyone needs to proclaim his sexuality daily?

You made a comment about me a few posts ago.”

And you are. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

“Can you give me a link to the Snips quote? I don’t remember seeing that.”

BTW, was Dom Deluise attacking gays when in the famous French Mistake scene ” in
“Blazing Saddles”, he referred to the dancers speech as sounding “like steam escaping?

You are like Joy Behar who says , “he’s black so he can make that joke. ” He’s gay so he can make that joke.”

BTW, it’s you who is sounding like the real john t; he believes in PC just like you do!

BTW, you still haven’t show were using the word gay is an attack, hypocrite.

Oh, and Blue: next time you want to travel, take a flying camel.

Ron,

I said ” Obama has a much better record of achievement on LGBT rights than any other President.” Please tell me which President was better.

You know, Tommy, you’re the one decent reporter and columnist on this otherwise godforsaken site, but I don’t think the president was “visibly angry.” Annoyed, yes. Frustrated, yes. Impatient, yes. But you really overwrote this one.

Katie,

relative to his normal demeanor, he was visibly angry, but annoyed and frustrated are also fair descriptions. Having covered the President for 2+ years now, I’ve seen him annoyed and frustrated (see Brett Baier interview) and this was more than that. The headline was, of course, a joking tweak at his famous coolness.

I don’t see what’s so wrong with the President showing a little anger once in awhile.

Tommy Christopher says:
April 20, 2010 at 6:45 pm

Ron,

I said ” Obama has a much better record of achievement on LGBT rights than any other President.”

Such as? He’s against gay marriage, the biggest gay issue out there.

Mr. Christopher provided his opinion, not a fact, that the President heard a “plea for equality.” Members of the audience pleaded for an end to DODT. That is a fact. And they err in pressing for it, as this former enlisted man well knows. Mr. Christopher cites the “patience” the President displayed when Bret Baier interviewed him. Mr. Baier showed patience. He asked questions and the President answered a couple, but mostly responded with rambling, irrelevant discourses on what he thought would help his case for the DemCare disaster. He did not see it that way, of course; that is MY opinion.

Pols of both major parties do not answer troublesome questions., of course, but the President’s arrogance, incompetence, and folly, make any answer he provides unwelcome, unless he is asked, “will you resign?” And he says, “Yes. Today. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe on January 20, 2013.” He would get to that , though after perhaps a half-hour of wandering through the thickets and brambles of the dark and gloomy forest of his Leftist notions.

Snipzor says

Thanks patsy!

Munch,

again, who was better?

You claimed ” Obama has a much better record of achievement on LGBT rights than any other President.”

Well, prove your claim.

I didn’t make it.

How are gays better off now than under Bush? Because BHO is looking into “DADT.?

Try again, Tommy.

Alfred,

actually, if you listen to the clip, the protester says “It’s time for equality for all Americans.” Not opinion, fact.

From Time magazine oh BHO:

The President has stated his opposition to marriage equality many times.
In fact, during his campaign, he pandered to African-American audiences — a group that was already for him — by inviting a black singer named Donnie McClurkin to perform at his events; McClurkin believes one’s sexuality can be changed by praying to Jesus Christ.

he President has stated his opposition to marriage equality many times. In fact, during his campaign, he pandered to African-American audiences — a group that was already for him — by inviting a black singer named Donnie McClurkin to perform at his events; McClurkin believes one’s sexuality can be changed by praying to Jesus Christ. And yet Obama has also said he opposes Public Law No. 104-199, 110 Statute 2419, a 1996 bill (signed by President Clinton) that anti-gay forces called the Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA. Obama has said several times that he would like that law overturned.

And yet — sorry, the contradictions keep coming — once Obama was elected, and once a gay couple in California had sued to overturn DOMA, his Administration not only defended the law, but defended it in a legal argument so reactionary that it would embarrass Dick Cheney (who, incidentally, is to the left of Obama on marriage).

Once Obama was elected, and once a gay couple in California had sued to overturn DOMA, his Administration not only defended the law, but defended it in a legal argument so reactionary that it would embarrass Dick Cheney (who, incidentally, is to the left of Obama on marriage).

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1917344,00.html#ixzz0lgsQ7Cpg

Oh, no – a stutter!

Munch, you’re noting things that I noted in my article. And since you are disputing my claim, tell me who was better. I provided support in my article.

Extending hospital visits to gays last week?

That’s your proof.

“However, as Kerry Eleveld points out, progress on DADT has been fitful, gaining momentum with highly-publicized announcements, then fizzling behind closed doors. The LGBT community’s impatience with this issue is underscored by the fact that, just this hour, Eleveld reports that Lt. Dan Choi and 5 other vets have again chained themselves to the White House fence.”

He is no better than Bush.

I just proved my case.

Checkmate.

OH wow some liberals who got on Obama no wonder he lost it now even his own koolaid drinkers are seeing him for what he is now a lier and America hater

So Clinton was the first “Black” president according to Toni Morrison, and now liberal Tommy makes BHO the first “Gay” president even though gays are protesting him, he is against gay marriage, and is only “reviewing” the DADT policy that was implemented by another liberal, Bill Clinton.?

How quaint.

Keith Olbermann spent a month blasting Carrie Prejean for voicing the same opinion on gay marriage as Obama, yet he never included Obama in the nightly tirades. How odd.

Munch says:
April 20, 2010 at 5:45 pm

LOL it’s on this post, asshat.

Yup, you’re right. My mistake, I must have missed that.

So in your world everyone needs to proclaim his sexuality daily?

Did you, or did you not say that M was “gay?” If you did, I assume you have proof. Otherwise, that would be evidence of you using “gay” as a weapon.

And you are. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Further evidence… you’re using “gay” as an attack method. Knock it off. (PS- You may want me to be, and that’s sweet and all… but no, I’m not.)

Munch… I’m not going to argue with you. You’ve occasionally brought good and interesting stuff to the table. But the site already has enough lunatics… and I’d prefer that the left keep that title under wraps. There is no need for a hateful right-wing bigot spouting off at the mouth every few minutes. So I’ll ask you again to clean it up, or knock it off.

@ Zakk: “Why is Obama so tuff with his fellow Americans, but then such a Giant Pussy when it comes to dictators?”

I think I might be able to answer your question: -0bama is so tuff on Americans because, like the rest of the world, he, too, hates Americans.

Does that about do it for you?

He’s in trouble now though, because when you get the homosexual crowd after you, they’ll just scratch your eyes out.

Touché, Mr. Christopher. My error. My problem is that the “plea for equality” may seem like that to a gay man. To the dominant straights in our military, with so many enlisted personnel in the 18 to 21 range, gays in the ranks, especially in the combat arms and aboard ships, are bombs about to explode. The explosions wind up hurting both gays and straights. On some ships and shore bases, crafty commanders try to shift around people so that men of a certain interest can hit on each other. (Women are from Venus and I do not understand them.)

WAt least one such commander wrote that, in ports, the guys would leave the ships wearing clothing stuffed into their duffel bags that set them apart from the rest .The clothing eased their introductions to certain people among the locals..

Women on ships and in land units also present a problem. To some extent, they ease the desire of many enlisteds to seek out the services of local female personnel. Women who fail to take their pills can get a certain result that can excuse them from front-line service, a bother for commanders. (The tendency to seek out willing women contributed to our military getting the bum’s rush from the Philippines, at Clark Air Force Base and Subic Bay on Luzon, and doubtless was a factor in the Japanese insisting on the U.S. military’s departure from Okinawa.

The rising sap of the springtime of life has to be the chief factor behind the policy previous to DODT and that shaky compromise. The bans got ignored in times of major wars, when the military thinks being thin in the ranks is less of a risk than a few sexual disturbances among the troops. Just as the President does not have a clue about the workings of the economy or foreign policy–or wise nuclear weapons policy –he doesn’t know diddly about life in the enlisted ranks. Nor does he care to know. He’s been chopping away at his and his party’s support in the American middle, economically and socially. His backing for ending DODT will further cut it. He will be known to history as One-term Obie.

I hope.

Is more of a risk, not less., in the last paragraph Another error not caught. I feel like a batter swinging and missing balls I formerly hit. I feel like David Ortiz.

ImNotBlue

So it was an attack because I used the word “gay.” Then it was an attack because I said M and snipzor were gay. Then it was an attack because you felt it was an attack.

Sorry, PC, master, you are just another Joy Behar bigot.

So saying someone is gay is an attack?

LMAO!

You are a tool.

Munch says:
April 21, 2010 at 10:12 am

So saying someone is gay is an attack?

Well, then tell… what was your intent. If you have no evidence that “M” or I am gay… why did you say we were? What was your purpose?

Tell me how it wasn’t an attack.

19 posters on this page and YOU are the only person outside Snipzor who commented on this.

Was Dom Deluise attacking gays when in the famous French Mistake scene ” in
“Blazing Saddles”, he referred to the dancers speech as sounding “like steam escaping?

Is calling someone straight an attack? Is calling someone heterosexual an attack?

Tell me how it wasn’t an attack.”

You have that backwards. YOU tell me how it was an attack- you made the claim and which reason you NOW want to use to explain your position: So it was an attack because I used the word “gay.” it was an attack because I said M and snipzor were gay. It was an attack because you felt it was an attack.

You obsession with the meaning of words is fascinating; in your world , words mean something based on the person’s race, sex, sexuality, etc.

I do so hope you can keep the meanings of words straight in your head.

Munch says:
April 21, 2010 at 3:59 pm

19 posters on this page and YOU are the only person outside Snipzor who commented on this.

Really? That’s your evidence? That I was paying attention to something YOU said?

Was Dom Deluise attacking gays when in the famous French Mistake scene ” in
“Blazing Saddles”, he referred to the dancers speech as sounding “like steam escaping?

I’m sorry, I didn’t realize we were all actors and this was a movie. I wonder, did you see “The Matrix?” I sure hope you don’t confuse that movie with reality.

YOU tell me how it was an attack- you made the claim and which reason you NOW want to use to explain your position:

Well, I did… and then you disagreed saying, “So saying someone is gay is an attack?” So I’m wondering, if you disagree with my rationale, tell me why that wasn’t an attack.

it was an attack because I said M and snipzor were gay.

It was an attack because it was irrelevant. It was an attack because you made up facts. It was an attack because you were using it to discredit their opinions/posts.

But again, if I’m wrong, tell me why it wasn’t attack and what was your intention in the initial statement?

You obsession with the meaning of words is fascinating; in your world , words mean something based on the person’s race, sex, sexuality, etc.

Huh? When did I say anything close to that? YOU brought that up, suggesting that was MY rationale… I’ve said nothing of the sort.

19 posters on this page and YOU are the only person outside Snipzor who commented on this.

Really? That’s your evidence? That I was paying attention to something YOU said?”

You sure did!

Was Dom Deluise attacking gays when in the famous French Mistake scene ” in
“Blazing Saddles”, he referred to the dancers speech as sounding “like steam escaping?

I’m sorry, I didn’t realize we were all actors and this was a movie. I wonder, did you see “The Matrix?” I sure hope you don’t confuse that movie with reality.”

Totally non responsive!

It was an attack because it was irrelevant

False- It was a post about gay protesters and m and snipzor are gay! Totally relevant.

It was an attack because it was irrelevant. It was an attack because you made up facts. ”

Prove it! Gays don’t go to Liberace revivals?

It was an attack because you were using it to discredit their opinions/posts.”

Where did I discredit their posts?

But again, if I’m wrong, tell me why it wasn’t attack .”

Again, you have to prove your claim and YOU DID NOTHING OF A SORT!

Oh Blue, what are we going to do about you?

Just watched O’Reilly and Miller talking about this incident and ya know what Miller said Blue?

Hr said, ” While these people are complaining about DADT, the closest they will come to wearing a uniform is when they attend a Village People concert.”

I look forward to watching O’Reilly read your angry email tomorrow complaining about Miller’s “attack.”

Munch says:
April 21, 2010 at 5:22 pm

You sure did!

Again, so you’re telling me that paying attention to you is a BAD thing?

Totally non responsive!

That’s because your premise was false. A movie has no relevance to this particular reality.

False- It was a post about gay protesters and m and snipzor are gay! Totally relevant.

Of which only one you were able to prove is gay. And why exactly is it relevant that they’re gay? How does that change things in terms of this debate?

Prove it! Gays don’t go to Liberace revivals?

Prove that they do. Burdon of proof is in your court… again. But actually, I was referring to your calling other people “gay” without evidence or purpose.

Where did I discredit their posts?

You didn’t. But you were trying to. But again, show me I’m wrong. Tell me what you were trying to accomplish!

Again, you have to prove your claim and YOU DID NOTHING OF A SORT!

This is starting to get really repetitive. Explain your intent… why did you bring this into this debate?

Munch says:
April 21, 2010 at 9:12 pm

Hr said, ” While these people are complaining about DADT, the closest they will come to wearing a uniform is when they attend a Village People concert.”

Well… lucky for you, I was also watching… but apparently a little more closely. What Miller said was:

“If you think you’re going to get those people in the back screaming Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell to consult with the military about morale issues… the only time they want to see a guy dressed up in a military uniform is when they got to see the Village People.”

In other words, Miller was saying that the “DADT” protesters don’t really care about troop morale, and they’re not going to ask or consult with officials about it. Their commitment to the policy has nothing to do with the military, only perceived discrimination. The closest they’ll come to consulting with someone in uniform, is someone completely unrelated to the military who is un costume.

Sorry… but it’s not the slight, you thought it was.

Blue says:

That’s because your premise was false. A movie has no relevance to this particular reality.”

Wrong! The movie made a joke about gays. Was that an attack?

Gays don’t go to Liberace revivals?
Prove that they do.”

LOL- Now your being like CNN fact checking SNL on its jokes. You are priceless!

the only time they want to see a guy dressed up in a military uniform is when they got to see the Village People.”
Sorry… but it’s not the slight, you thought it was.”

Not so fast Blue. Miller’s joke was an attack because it was irrelevant. It was an attack because he was using it to discredit the protesters opinions.

Your 15 minutes are up.

Munch says:
April 22, 2010 at 12:52 am

Wrong! The movie made a joke about gays. Was that an attack?

Okay, I’m going to try to write this slowly so you can grasp it:
This isn’t a movie. This is real life. You don’t get to do, say, or act how they do in the movies, in real life. There is a difference.

I’ll give you an example: In the movies, Superman can fly. Can you fly? That’s the difference between movies and reality. So just because you saw it in the movies, it doesn’t mean it can happen in real life.

Get it?

Oy vey.

Not so fast Blue. Miller’s joke was an attack because it was irrelevant. It was an attack because he was using it to discredit the protesters opinions.

Well, that doesn’t make any sense at all. He was using it to give his opinion that the protesters aren’t interested in the overall situation, only their concerns.

But anyway… we’re way off track.

But whatever. I’m bored of this. You’ve danced and danced, and I doubt I’ll be able to get you to actually answer the question, “What did you mean?” because you know it will prove you to be a bigot.

I guess the bottom line is, you’re going to be as big a jerk as the bone-head lefties are. You are committed to making as big an ass of yourself as you can, proving that you are no better than the other guys. In turn, you make people who agree with the same principals, look foolish for having a loon like you in their midst. I’m not sure you recognize that you’re making other people look dumb, by being proud jerk… the same as on the left. No better, no worse… and to me, that’s simply not good enough.

Either way it goes, letting promises go isn’t the way to get reelected-didn’t anyone tell him that? Guys and gals-stop hurting each other, sniping at each other-we Know what we’re angry about. Lets Solve this, instead of bad mouthing. Get rid of the liars, like obama, boxer, feinstein, get someone you trust and get this moving. Doesn’t matter who, just HAS to be someone you can Definitely Trust. Otherwise, they’ll just use you and your anger for thier own ends while they keep going thier own ways.
There are alternatives, but you wouldn’t like my methods-lol- Too professional.