Adding to the mess, who lobbied for the prisoner release? BP.

Why would you let this terrorist go based on the medical opinion of a doctor hired by Libya?That makes no sense.

They should have had 2 independent doctors give an opinion- a 3rd if the first 2 disagreed. Heck, people do this before having an operation.

Well, isn’t that just lovely, we are now being brainwashed to the point that it is just fine that multinational corporations negotiate terrorism to their benefit . Neil Cavuto, Glenn Beck, Hannity and the Rw’ers will be boo hooing for BP, please, please don’t hurt BP, let them keep their tax breaks please, the American middle class should pull the weight for them , Leave BP alone! Wa waaa.

I have always thought that Iran was behind the Lockerbie terrorist attack as payback for the shooting down of an Iranian Airbus in July 1988 by the USS Vincennes.

The one thing this story did not cover/say is that the Brits had very little to no say in this matter. It was the Scots and their court system.

It is a disgrace. I don’t think it was the “British” government per se as much as it was Scotland’s government (that pains me to say it) that didn’t perform due diligence…or traded away a terrorist for revenue in a settlement.

270 people’s death apparently has a price. This is all on the Scottish government.

Apparently I had the exact same response as Mr. Cohen above.

Azarkhan said:
I have always thought that Iran was behind the Lockerbie terrorist attack as payback for the shooting down of an Iranian Airbus in July 1988 by the USS Vincennes.

If I’m not mistaken, I believe Lockerbie was a Lybian terrorist attack.

“If I’m not mistaken, I believe Lockerbie was a Lybian terrorist attack.”

It was an attack carried out by Libyans. But why?

Just my memory, but I think that it was a retaliation against Israel’s pre-emptive bombing of Libya’s nuclear reactor(s).

Iris said:
Well, isn’t that just lovely, we are now being brainwashed to the point that it is just fine that multinational corporations negotiate terrorism to their benefit . Neil Cavuto, Glenn Beck, Hannity and the Rw’ers will be boo hooing for BP, please, please don’t hurt BP, let them keep their tax breaks please, the American middle class should pull the weight for them , Leave BP alone! Wa waaa.

Projection is not a sign of a sound mind.

So part of Gaddafi’s (I have no idea on the spelling) efforts to get back in the good graces of the international community was to renounce terrorism and pay up a price.

Pablo said:
Projection is not a sign of a sound mind.

That’s funny.

It shouldn’t have mattered if they guy had 3 months, 3 years or e3 days left to live. He killed over 100 people and should have spent the rest of his days on this planet in a jail cell.

Pablo said:
Iris said:

Like the tide, isn’t it ?

Yeah, the Scots f*cked this up big time.

And now we see the politics.

Capitalism, factions and oil triumph again. You go BP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pablum, now you are going to defend BP just like Fox news tells all you little cowards to do?

“Just my memory, but I think that it was a retaliation against Israel’s pre-emptive bombing of Libya’s nuclear reactor(s).”

Your memory is bad. Israel bombed an Iraqi reactor.

Furthermore, if what you said was correct, I think attacking an El Al airliner would have been more to the point.

Iris said:
Well, isn’t that just lovely, we are now being brainwashed to the point that it is just fine that multinational corporations negotiate terrorism to their benefit . Neil Cavuto, Glenn Beck, Hannity and the Rw’ers will be boo hooing for BP, please, please don’t hurt BP, let them keep their tax breaks please, the American middle class should pull the weight for them , Leave BP alone! Wa waaa.

You must be kidding right? You do realize what political candidate received more campaign $ from BP than any other in history right? Don’t let that get in the way of your dillusion though.

Anyway, what’s the big? Pres Obama has been engaged in Muslim outreach since he took office. Just pick up the phone and give ole’ Gadhafi a call, and have this terrorist extradited to the US. Should be a piece of cake.

Iris said:
Pablum, now you are going to defend BP just like Fox news tells all you little cowards to do?

Yeah, that’s why I posted the first comment in the thread pointing the finger at them. Idiot.

Like I said all you little cowards just do what the big cowards on fox news tell you too. Instead of going to the FEC records you just pass the BS lie of campaugn contributions. But make sure you defend BP cause neil cavuto tells you too.

My bad….again, just going from memory. Libya was a “known” terrorist harbor in the late 70s and early 80s. Anwar Gadaffi “encouraged” people to strike out against Israel by providing a safe haven. Which I think is the issue.

Azarkhan said:
“Just my memory, but I think that it was a retaliation against Israel’s pre-emptive bombing of Libya’s nuclear reactor(s).”

Your memory is bad. Israel bombed an Iraqi reactor.

Furthermore, if what you said was correct, I think attacking an El Al airliner would have been more to the point.

El Al has never been attacked…they have serious security.

OK Pablum if you are actually pointing the finger at them whats is incorrect about my first post?

“El Al has never been attacked…they have serious security.”

I know–a cheap shot on my part. But we know that terrorism is international and the interested party’s will use mercenaries (e.g., Carlos the Jackal) to cover the real perpetrators.

Anyway, just a thought.

I am sure Joe Barton and the newly formed Tea Party Caucas is OKAY with this by BP. Teabaggers are forgiving people.

Iris said:
Like I said all you little cowards just do what the big cowards on fox news tell you too. Instead of going to the FEC records you just pass the BS lie of campaugn contributions. But make sure you defend BP cause neil cavuto tells you too.

Wrong. Click, read and learn, Iris.

Iris said:
OK Pablum if you are actually pointing the finger at them whats is incorrect about my first post?

Everything.

I know this is a citation to Wikipedia, but here is an interesting resume of Muammar al-Gaddafi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_al-Gaddafi

It is well cited.

Throughout the 1970s, his regime was implicated in subversion and terrorist activities in both Arab and non-Arab countries. By the mid-1980s, he was widely regarded in the West as the principal financier of international terrorism.

Tensions between Libya and the West reached a peak during the Ronald Reagan administration, which tried to overthrow Gaddafi.

The media will happily cover the story now because they see it as a chance to deal a death blow to BP. Were it not for that they could care less.

lazzzlo said:
El Al has never been attacked…they have serious security.

Once, actually. And then they went all “Never Again” and meant it. You’re right, they do not play around.

…continued…

The Reagan administration viewed Libya as a belligerent rogue state because of its uncompromising stance on Palestinian independence, its support for revolutionary Iran in the 1980–1988 war against Saddam Hussein’s Iraq (see Iran–Iraq War), and its backing of “liberation movements” in the developing world. Reagan himself dubbed Gaddafi the “mad dog of the Middle East”. In December 1981, the US State Department invalidated US passports for travel to Libya, and in March 1982, the U.S. declared a ban on the import of Libyan oil[25] and the export to Libya of U.S. oil industry technology; European nations did not follow suit.

On 15 April 1986, Ronald Reagan ordered major bombing raids, dubbed Operation El Dorado Canyon, against Tripoli and Benghazi killing 45 Libyan military and government personnel as well as 15 civilians.[1] This strike followed U.S. interception of telex messages from Libya’s East Berlin embassy suggesting Libyan government involvement in a bomb explosion on 5 April in West Berlin’s La Belle discothèque, a nightclub frequented by U.S. servicemen. Among the alleged fatalities of the 15 April retaliatory attack by the U.S. was Gaddafi’s adopted daughter,

There you go Pablum Chris just regurgitated the talking point. So I was ncorrect about what?

and…

For most of the 1990s, Libya endured economic sanctions and diplomatic isolation as a result of Gaddafi’s refusal to allow the extradition to the United States or Britain of two Libyans accused of planting a bomb on Pan Am Flight 103, which exploded over Lockerbie, Scotland. Through the intercession of South African President Nelson Mandela – who made a high-profile visit to Gaddafi in 1997 – and U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, Gaddafi agreed in 1999 to a compromise that involved handing over the defendants to the Netherlands for trial under Scottish law.:[26] U.N. sanctions were thereupon suspended, but U.S. sanctions against Libya remained in force.

So, it isn’t that easy and my memory does suck.

“Like I said all you little cowards just do what the big cowards on fox news tell you too. Instead of going to the FEC records you just pass the BS lie of campaugn contributions. But make sure you defend BP cause neil cavuto tells you too.” Iris

Love the faux outrage from Leftists who never met a Muslim ass they didn’t want to kiss (celebrate diversity!).
Of course their real aim is to attack Republicans, corporations, and, as always, Fox.

PS: Iazzzlo, I’ll check out that link, but I gotta leave now. Thanks.
PSS: It’s fashionable, among some, to downplay Wikipedia (but not WikiLeaks!) but like you said, if the article is “well cited”, I don’t have a problem with them.

lol…no worries,

I’m Celtic…I was just bummed out because the Scots should have known better. They have been betrayed all their lives.

The_Reasonable_Lib says:
July 16, 2010 at 1:37 pm

Capitalism, factions and oil triumph again. You go BP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That’s funny! You blame BP for trying to do this, yet it was the GOVERNMENTS which agreed to it (hence, oversight) and allowed this guy to be released! BP had to work WITH the government, they had/have no authority to release prisoners… don’t you see that?

ImNotBlue said:
The_Reasonable_Lib says:
July 16, 2010 at 1:37 pm

Capitalism, factions and oil triumph again. You go BP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That’s funny! You blame BP for trying to do this, yet it was the GOVERNMENTS which agreed to it (hence, oversight) and allowed this guy to be released! BP had to work WITH the government, they had/have no authority to release prisoners… don’t you see that?

Blame is shared by both parties in this instance. I do apologize if you feel that I’m putting it squarely on their shoulders, I should have articulated better in my initial post. However, you cannot deny that had it not been for BP’s lobbying and the underhanded motives behind them this man would probably not have been released. Love of money is the root of all evil, my friend.

The_Reasonable_Lib says:
July 16, 2010 at 2:19 pm

Blame is shared by both parties in this instance. I do apologize if you feel that I’m putting it squarely on their shoulders, I should have articulated better in my initial post.

Fair enough.

However, you cannot deny that had it not been for BP’s lobbying and the underhanded motives behind them this man would probably not have been released. Love of money is the root of all evil, my friend.

While I’m inclined to agree with you on that point, I wonder how much BP was actually involved in this. Did they lobby to get the guy out so they could get their deal? Or did that stuff happen behind the scenes with the governments, and BP just arguing to get the deal without really knowing (or caring) how?

BP can accept some blame in this, but if the government is there to be the check on free enterprise, they failed big time.

Blue, BP apologist. The only reason the release happened is because BP made a deal with the libyans for oil rights and the B part of BP made it happen. What part don’t you understand?

lazzzlo said:
If I’m not mistaken, I believe Lockerbie was a Lybian terrorist attack.

It was in retaliation for the bombing of Libya by Reagan in 1986. Pan Am 103 happened in Dec. 1988.

Iris said:
Blue, BP apologist. The only reason the release happened is because BP made a deal with the libyans for oil rights and the B part of BP made it happen. What part don’t you understand?

I am actually trying to be an apologist for the Scots. The people that had burning metal and body parts rained down on their village that had no argument in an international quarrel.

It was their court of law…and BP bought them. I’m sure if they had known that their settlement led to this possible scenario…they might have thought different.

And that is a disgrace. What price do you pay?

laz, sorry , its really hard to follow your rambling about the scots. Its really as simple as I said, theres no need to wander around all of Great Britain speculating . Its this simple, multinational corporations are negotiating terrorism for oil rights.

Poor, poor Iris is not smart enough to understand that Obama is the one that is in the sack with BP even after the facts were presented. Those multinational corporations own your hero!

Real Bright Ninja, Yea BHO was so in bed with them you and your RW cohorts following the instructions of fox news were screaming at him for trying to ruin poor sad BP and your hero Repub joe Barton had to apologize to poor liitle BP because BHO was beating them up. And you are still defending BP even now that you know they love the terrorist if they can get oil.

As Joe Barton said, he did not speak for the republican party or any other individuals except himself. Funny you don’t like to mention that, guess they omitted that quote at media matters? Speaking about that $20B that your hero supposedly secured, where is it? Lots of good that is doing for the working people of the gulf coast, nothing more than phony campaign rhetoric that Obama is not going to follow through with. I have not once defended BP here, but you seem to be doing an awful lot of defending of the one that took the biggest amount of $ from said company.

You didn’t in this thread but you would again if it would undermine BHO in any way and thats whats so sick about you RW’ers and teabaggers , you hate BHO so much that you would be willing to tear down this country, commit treason, get in bed with terrorists and do any thing they tell you on fox news if it would hurt him in any way. What a bunch of cowards you are.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Capitalism, factions and oil triumph again. You go BP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I commend you for not ever missing an opportunity to make a complete ass out of yourself.

Iris you really should not make assumptions about what I would or would not do. When you do that it is called being prejudice. I know you love to use that against other people, but that is exactly what your are a prejudiced person that should be looked down upon by all.

He should be hanged til death because he is responsible for the death of a number of innocent people.
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