Fact: The slug crawls and leaves his trail right to the end of his lameduck session!

When is MSNBC going to break down and just hire this nutjob??? I hear he needs a job.

Surely there’s an MSNBC gig in the future for this showboat.

I posted this in the other thread, but it was too old.

Curious – how many jobs do Beck, Limbaugh, O’Reilly et al, create?

From people that work on their radio and tv shows, web sites, advertisers, merchandise, books, editors, managers, handlers, homes and cars they buy, tours they go on, charities, security details, etc.

How many people are they employing or are benefiting from their success?

“Instead of placating these people and letting them spew out onto the airwaves their lies about the Bush tax cut ever revealing the fact that they stand to gain millions, millions of dollars each year from their selfish desire to take advantage of the rest of America, let’s do this,” said Grayson. “Let’s take that money and create jobs.”

Grayson wants their money so the government can create jobs?

THEY are the ones creating jobs.

CosmosDan said:
Will that change significantly if their tax rate goes up?

perhaps they might have to fire some people….? I don’t know if they would, but I imagine a lot of small business owners might.

My point is, they employ a lot of people. And their success benefits a lot of people. I am curious how many they employ, and how many people benefit from their success. When people are in positions that employ a lot of people, I don’t understand these types of ridiculous attacks by the likes of Grayson. Yea, they are rich, but their success benefits a whole lotta people. When Grayson goes on these ridiculous tirades, it just seems like petty jealousy.

It’s fitting that a loser like Ed have a loser like Grayson on his show. Both are abominations.

This man is as repulsive an example of American politicians that there is. How in the name of the wide wide world of politics can anyone take the left seriously when they continue, through their sockpuppet media clowns like Schultz and MSNBC in general, to give this slimy halfwit a forum?

They have nothing but colorful invective, and this is a prime example of that.

Cockroach.

Can’t they do some sort of incentive tax relief plan…

Like, increase hiring by X percentage, year over year, and receive a reduction in taxes? Or receive X amount in tax breaks for each new hire, year over year.

I also think they should be giving all kinds of tax breaks to companies who bring jobs back to the US. There is a lot I don’t know about those kinds of taxes, but I would think it would be highly beneficial to give tax breaks high enough to get companies to bring all those jobs back to the states. Don’t they make enough on the salary taxes, and sales taxes those monies would generate? Seems like they’re losing a lot by allowing those jobs to leave the country…

Look at the picture above of Grayson and Fat Eddie
together! Tell me if that is not a scene right out of
“One Flew Over the Cukoos Nest” !!
Grayson knows if he makes these Idiotic speeches
on the floor of the house, he will be invited on one or all
of MESSNBC’s shows immediatley to spew his idiocy to
even smaller audiences!
They are both irrelivant!
Few know who either one of them are!

“Look at the picture above of Grayson and Fat Eddie
together! Tell me if that is not a scene right out of
“One Flew Over the Cukoos Nest” !!”

I don’t think that what Ken kesey had in mind, but it really, really works.

Heh.

“[Grayson] reminded cable news host Ed Schultz that cable news hosts support the Bush tax cuts because they personally impact their wealth.”

Frances, your bias is showing. Again. Grayson didn’t “remind”; he alleged. Of course, he doesn’t know anyone’s motivations but his own.

Grayson visited MSNBC’s The Ed Show yesterday for a victory lap of sorts after his posterboard-laden attack on Fox News personalities’ salaries, where he reminded cable news host Ed Schultz that cable news hosts support the Bush tax cuts because they personally impact their wealth.

That’s a not so subtle dig on Ed and his salary versus the salaries of his competitors.

sarainitaly said:
There is a lot I don’t know

For once, Sara (who loves America so much she lives in a foreign country where she creates no jobs in the U.S.) speaks the truth.

Grayson looks like one of the aliens in Men In Black
http://www.alicia-logic.com/capspages/caps_viewall.asp?hidName=Vincent+D'Onofrio

Harry Flashman said:
This man is as repulsive an example of American politicians that there is. How in the name of the wide wide world of politics can anyone take the left seriously when they continue, through their sockpuppet media clowns like Schultz and MSNBC in general, to give this slimy halfwit a forum?

They have nothing but colorful invective, and this is a prime example of that.

Cockroach.

…it’s because the left is deranged. By normal standards, Ed and this Grayson would be laughed away or put away, but in the Orwellian world we live in, Ed and Grayson are actually looked up to by liberals.

JamesA1102, is a sexist, misogynistic, liar who has spent months and months personally attacking me and my life, accuses me of living in Italy because I don’t love America, accuses me of being racist and many other lies, and after MONTHS of enduring his personal insults and attacks, I teased him about his obsession with Planet of the Apes, and he actually said it was RACIST, and I quote, “One thing that you’re missing here. Since President Obama won the election, planet of apes has become a code word used by right wing bloggers regarding minorities in politics and government. Glenn Beck has even used this term. This is not about some old movie, it’s about using a term that is demeaning to minorities.” And actually had the nerve to say, “obsession is when you do a web search on someone screenname to try to find weapons to use against them just because they disagree with you.” despite his months of using personal information about me to attack me, all because someone told me he ran a fan site for POTA, and I went to try and find it, and see who was the person who has been insulting and attacking me for evah.

Now that he is out of work, I hear that he is working as a pitchman doing commercials for a chain of muffler shops in Florida. They are guaranteed to put out twice as much noxious gas as any other.

AND he continuously leaves comments in the threads that have NOTHING to do with the topic, but serve only to attack me personally.

As scary and dangerous as Julian Assange is, he has pointed the way to the future of the U.S., a future I’m afraid to live in. In this not-so-far-off time, the country will be divided into all-out class warfare and the biggest growth sector will be in personal protection.

Why? Because everyone of a certain high tax bracket will become targets of the low tax brackets, unemployed, stripped of benefits, willing to work but finding no job creation in any other capacity. Desperation will creep into vigilantism, vigilantism into violence, violence into anarchy – and while the rich bicker and debate about who is at fault, how they’re at fault and obfuscate about why they, themselves, are not at fault, they foment this frightening uprising.

Let us be clear about this – if there is guilt, it is spread evenly across the board. Republicans, Democrats, Green Party, Tea Party, whatever, all have come to the table expecting their cut of the profits, never once saying, “If change begins, let it begin with me,” never once suggesting or intimating they have enough already and would volunteer their services without payment and, in that respect, be a beacon to the have-nots who see that subsection of the culture as little more than the cancer that metastasizes within it. There are no heroes in D.C., from the White House on down, so long as their “I got mine” attitude persists.

Do I advocate vigilantism and anarchy? Oh, hell no. Does the human race need to devalue itself any more than it already has? All I’m saying is that the Donner Party never set out on their trek with the hopes of eating each other. That came later, in the throes of desperation, the same sort of desperation that’s bubbling up in this country.

Why is MSNBC still giving this guy airtime? I mean the things this guy says is just so utterly ridiculous why would anyone give him the time of day?

Sarainitaly, BFD has informed me that the left wing posters always stick to topics and never make personal attacks.

JamesA1102 said:
For once, Sara (who loves America so much she lives in a foreign country where she creates no jobs in the U.S.) speaks the truth.

You are one xenophoblic Ugly American, dude.

Uh, oh. Now James will be upset. He has lectured me many times about speaking ill of RRK. James would never attack anyone personally.

sarainitaly said:
JamesA1102, is a sexist, misogynistic, liar who has spent months and months personally attacking me and my life, accuses me of living in Italy because I don’t love America, accuses me of being racist and many other lies, and after MONTHS of enduring his personal insults and attacks, I teased him about his obsession with Planet of the Apes, and he actually said it was RACIST, and I quote, “One thing that you’re missing here. Since President Obama won the election, planet of apes has become a code word used by right wing bloggers regarding minorities in politics and government. Glenn Beck has even used this term. This is not about some old movie, it’s about using a term that is demeaning to minorities.” And actually had the nerve to say, “obsession is when you do a web search on someone screenname to try to find weapons to use against them just because they disagree with you.” despite his months of using personal information about me to attack me, all because someone told me he ran a fan site for POTA, and I went to try and find it, and see who was the person who has been insulting and attacking me for evah.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) didn’t like that her hypocrisy was being exposed so she became obsessed and started doing web searches to find weapons to destroy those that disagree with her. This is best that she has come up with, which is pretty lame, and just exposes her nastiness, elitism and racism.

sarainitaly said:
I posted this in the other thread, but it was too old.

Curious – how many jobs do Beck, Limbaugh, O’Reilly et al, create?

From people that work on their radio and tv shows, web sites, advertisers, merchandise, books, editors, managers, handlers, homes and cars they buy, tours they go on, charities, security details, etc.

Merchandising, advertisers, publishing wouldn’t be affected, whether or not the host received a tax cut. I don’t know about all three, but at least two of the hosts use their websites as a revenue stream and since they have low overhead and are very profitable, they’d be stupid to stop. The same can be said for their tours because they aren’t altruistic, charitable enterprises; they promote a product and at least cover their own expenses, plus make some profit, even if the hosts themselves don’t get paid.

Now, you could say that because a couple of them have upgraded their homes and bought new cars, they may have a hand in a few jobs, but who’s to say that they wouldn’t have done it anyway because one naturally wants an increasing salary and few would like a cut.

Perhaps the better question would be, if the tax cuts aren’t extended, how many people will they lay-off?

Cecelia said:
You are one xenophoblic Ugly American, dude.

You mean you don’t think Sara was speaking the truth?

James, RRK is nasty, elitist, and racist, and you never seem to mind.

sarainitaly said:
AND he continuously leaves comments in the threads that have NOTHING to do with the topic, but serve only to attack me personally.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) is the last person to accuse anyone of making personal attacks.

PS) Though it is off-topic, I do have to agree with @sarainitaly that the personal attacks add nothing to the discussion and in the case of her nemesis, other than repeating the same mantra, I don’t understand what they’re trying to say.

writer said:
James, RRK is nasty, elitist, and racist, and you never seem to mind.

And you don’t mind it of Gordo, Felix, Sara, etc. So I guess we are even.

At least now you’re admitting it, James.

JamesA1102 said:
And you don’t mind it of Gordo, Felix, Sara, etc. So I guess we are even.

Sure, go ahead and accuse me, and a bunch of other people, of racism on no evidence. This is why people just laugh at the race card nowadays. The Left plays it 24/7 against EVERYONE who disagrees with them on ANYTHING. What a joke!

JamesA1102 said:
You mean you don’t think Sara was speaking the truth?

I believe I was speaking the truth.

You are the worst sort of xenophobe– you’re someone who only becomes one in order to insult someone with differing political views.

Now get your silly stalking self back in The Lying King’s suitcase with all his other evil elves.

Yo

felixw said:
Sure, go ahead and accuse me, and a bunch of other people, of racism on no evidence. This is why people just laugh at the race card nowadays. The Left plays it 24/7 against EVERYONE who disagrees with them on ANYTHING. What a joke!

I apologize Felix. I did not mean to call you a racist. I was just trying to point out that Writer has a double standard between how he treats liberal vs. conservative posters.

And James, you just said we are ‘even’. You have a double standard in how you treat left wing posters. Kumbahyah!

Magister said:
PS) Though it is off-topic, I do have to agree with @sarainitaly that the personal attacks add nothing to the discussion and in the case of her nemesis, other than repeating the same mantra, I don’t understand what they’re trying to say.

But Sara launches personal attacks all the time. She’s a hypocrite in that regard. I’ve always applied the Vegas rule when posting on a website, what happens on Mediaite stays on Mediaite. But Sara does websearches on the screennames of those who disagree with her to try to dig up personal info that she can use to launch an attack on that person. If that is not completely over the line, I don’t know what is.

Here’s how it works. If conservative posters side with their own and attack left wing posters, that’s a double standard. When James sides with left wing posters and attacks conservative posters, that’s not a double standard.

Cecelia said:
I believe I was speaking the truth. You are the worst sort of xenophobe– you’re someone who only becomes one in order to insult someone with differing political views. Now get your silly stalking self back in The Lying King’s suitcase with all his other evil elves. Yo

Exactly what have I said that is xenophobic? Xenophobia is defined as fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign. What have I said that is fearful or hateful about foreigners?

writer said:
And James, you just said we are ‘even’. You have a double standard in how you treat left wing posters. Kumbahyah!

The exact same one you have. I just don’t pretend that I don’t.

What a job/gig for folks to have! sitting there and making stuff up as they go along and not worry about the consequence of the stuff that comes out of their mouth. What a bloody freaking gig they have, some of them couldn’t believe it when they got hired. It’s like is the boss mad, well what more can I say. That’s Capitalism, at work, as long as there is demand in the market, its fair game. So there’s no need to whine about the buck they make. But one day everyone will face the consequence of their action, that’s fact.

writer said:
Here’s how it works. If conservative posters side with their own and attack left wing posters, that’s a double standard. When James sides with left wing posters and attacks conservative posters, that’s not a double standard.

Never said it wasn’t. But I do wonder why you seem to hold liberal posters to a higher standard than you hold yourself.

JamesA1102 said:
But Sara launches personal attacks all the time. She’s a hypocrite in that regard. I’ve always applied the Vegas rule when posting on a website, what happens on Mediaite stays on Mediaite. But Sara does websearches on the screennames of those who disagree with her to try to dig up personal info that she can use to launch an attack on that person. If that is not completely over the line, I don’t know what is.

RIght, Einstein… that’s why you go into the “Sara, who lives in Italy” spiel every time you see her on the board… she’s stalking YOU…

sheesh…

JamesA1102 said:
Exactly what have I said that is xenophobic? Xenophobia is defined as fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign. What have I said that is fearful or hateful about foreigners?

And xenophobia would manifest itself in an attitude of “America love it or leave it”, in which case you suggest that Sara can’t love her country and has no right to comment upon the politics of her country MERELY because she lives in a foreign land with her husband.

That’s the essence of moronic pighead xenophobla, my friend. However, you’re worst that that. You’re an opportunistic pigheaded moronic xenophobe, which means that Sara’s locale is ONLY relevant to you because she’s not a liberal.

James, both sides attack each other. I admit it. But likewise, you’re always attacking conservative posters, then acting like you don’t do it. Just admit it.

Cecelia said:
RIght, Einstein… that’s why you go into the “Sara, who lives in Italy” spiel every time you see her on the board… she’s stalking YOU… sheesh…

I’m not doing google searchs on her. I leave it on Mediaite. It is a shame that some are so thin-skinned and obsessed that they couldn’t.

And what’s with the “Einstein” crap. I haven’t called you any names. Why can’t you show the same respect?

@JamesA1102: I don’t want to get into a tit for tat because I like to stay reasonably close to the post and it generally takes a lot for me to single-out any individual commenter.

But, I’ve found that though she’ll sometimes work her way into the AOL chat mode that pollutes so many of these threads, Sara generally offers reasonable and well defined arguments. I may not agree with her in a lot, if not most cases, but she doesn’t have a hotkey programmed to say the same thing over and over with maybe a slight twist at the end.

but ed schultz is still a fool

grayson , on the other hand, i dont know what the hell he is

Magister said:
But, I’ve found that though she’ll sometimes work her way into the AOL chat mode that pollutes so many of these threads, Sara generally offers reasonable and well defined arguments. I may not agree with her in a lot, if not most cases, but she doesn’t have a hotkey programmed to say the same thing over and over with maybe a slight twist at the end.

But she does have a hotkey to do websearches on people’s screennames to dig up personal info to attack those who disagree with her and you find that acceptable and reasonable? Interesting standard you have on what is acceptable and reasonable.

JamesA1102 said:
I’m not doing google searchs on her. I leave it on Mediaite. It is a shame that some are so thin-skinned and obsessed that they couldn’t.

And what’s with the “Einstein” crap. I haven’t called you any names. Why can’t you show the same respect?

Oh, who are you kidding!

Nobody here was born yesterday. We see how you stalk her around the board solely so you can do you “Sara, who lives in Italy” thing.

You’ve only to scroll up and see Sara discussing politics and then see you come in and go into your spiel.

You don’t deserve any respect, James. You’re a fraud and a liar.

@JamesA1102: Again, I hate myself for going down this road, but sometimes folks on the other side mistake my (and others) ignoring of the AOL chat as some kind of silent agreement and since I’ve opened the door…

What I see above is her putting the idea that the radio/tv hosts employ several people and that they’d be in a better position to do it, if the tax cuts continue. I questioned her premise and she replied to a comment from CosmosDan that seems to have inexplicably disappeared, then you apparently agreed with her, but only after inserting your clipboard text.

Second that, Cecelia. He’s like the bully who punches someone in the nose, then yells “No fair!” when he gets punched back.

Cecelia said:
And xenophobia would manifest itself in an attitude of “America love it or leave it”, in which case you suggest that Sara can’t love her country and has no right to comment upon the politics of her country MERELY because she lives in a foreign land with her husband.

I never suggested that Sara didn’t love her country. If that’s what you thought, it’s you that is reading that into what I said. So maybe it is you that has the xenophobic attitude.

Cecelia said:
That’s the essence of moronic pighead xenophobla, my friend. However, you’re worst that that. You’re an opportunistic pigheaded moronic xenophobe, which means that Sara’s locale is ONLY relevant to you because she’s not a liberal.

So you’re saying that you and the other conservatives on this site wouldn’t have a problem with someone from another country posting on this site if they were a liberal. Please, you guys don’t tolerate the liberals living in America that post here.

JamesA1102 said:
But she does have a hotkey to do websearches on people’s screennames to dig up personal info to attack those who disagree with her and you find that acceptable and reasonable? Interesting standard you have on what is acceptable and reasonable.

I’m sorry, but Sara being told that you operate a Planet of the Apes fansite, and her looking for it to see what it’s about does not qualify as stalking.

Your following her around here and going into your canned spiel at NO provocation DOES qualify.

Cecelia said:
You don’t deserve any respect, James. You’re a fraud and a liar.

Well according to you and most of the cons here no liberal deserves any respect ever.

You deserve all the respect that you show to conservatives, James.

writer said:
Second that, Cecelia. He’s like the bully who punches someone in the nose, then yells “No fair!” when he gets punched back.

No I yell “No fair” when someone hypocritically holds me to a standard that they do not hold themself too.

JamesA1102 said:
I never suggested that Sara didn’t love her country. If that’s what you thought, it’s you that is reading that into what I said. So maybe it is you that has the xenophobic attitude.

YES, you do! You do suggest JUST THAT, every time you make a point of telling everyone that she doesn’t live in America…which is everytime you see her.

THAT is precisely what you are saying when you said this “Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) ”

Anyone can read it scroll up. You fraud!

Cecelia said:
I’m sorry, but Sara being told that you operate a Planet of the Apes fansite, and her looking for it to see what it’s about does not qualify as stalking.

So doing screenname searches and running around to other sites on the web is acceptable but leaving what happens on mediaite on mediaite is not. Interesting double standard you have.

JamesA1102 said:
Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare)

then

JamesA1102 said:
I never suggested that Sara didn’t love her country. If that’s what you thought, it’s you that is reading that into what I said. So maybe it is you that has the xenophobic attitude.

Get back in The Lying King’s suitcase, evil elf!

JamesA1102 said:
So doing screenname searches and running around to other sites on the web is acceptable but leaving what happens on mediaite on mediaite is not. Interesting double standard you have.

People presumably have websites, blogs, etc. in order to attract readers.

You have to twist yourself into a slinky in order to suggest that someone looking for your website is the same as stalking you!

No one’s holding you to any standards, James. Everyone on here, right and left, realizes that the two sides are going to attack each other. You’re the one always jumping in and acting like the left doesn’t do it.

JamesA1102 said:
So doing screenname searches and running around to other sites on the web is acceptable but leaving what happens on mediaite on mediaite is not. Interesting double standard you have.

Frankly, if you think she’s stalking you, why don’t you leave her alone?

What don’t you avoid her, instead of going into your spiel about her whenever you see her, without any provocation whatsoever.

You don’t fool anyone here, James. You’re misrepresenting yourself and your intentions because you hope to make her miserable because that’s your purpose on this site when it comes to opponents.

Cecelia said:
YES, you do! You do suggest JUST THAT, every time you make a point of telling everyone that she doesn’t live in America…which is everytime you see her.

But her screenname does that, it informs people that she is living in another country. Why is my repeating the information that is contained in her screenname wrong? Versus doing a web search on someone’s screenname to try to dig up private info on them to use as a weapon whenever someone with her.

Cecelia said:
THAT is precisely what you are saying when you said this “Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) ”

No that is just what you are reading into it.

writer said:
No one’s holding you to any standards, James. Everyone on here, right and left, realizes that the two sides are going to attack each other. You’re the one always jumping in and acting like the left doesn’t do it.

When have I ever said the left doesn’t do it. Provide links please.

No that is just what you are reading into it.

LOL

Fact: Giving tax brakes to everyone making $250,000 and less is giving a tax brake TO EVERYONE!!

Why is the Media fight this so much? They all make Millions of dollars and want more. Plain and simple.

Fact: The Bush tax brakes were not paid for and it is costing Trillions of dollars to continue.

Fact: We can’t afford this with our economy the way it is.

So lets talk the facts instead of this mindless rap on who you like and who you don’t like. This is crap!

Cecelia said:
Frankly, if you think she’s stalking you, why don’t you leave her alone?

Why should I? That would only show her that she can bully other people and silence them if they dare disagree with her.

Cecelia said:
What don’t you avoid her, instead of going into your spiel about her whenever you see her, without any provocation whatsoever.

The provocation was doing the web search on my screenname in the first place. That is unacceptable.

Cecelia said:
You don’t fool anyone here, James. You’re misrepresenting yourself and your intentions because you hope to make her miserable because that’s your purpose on this site when it comes to opponents.

Not trying to fool anyone. My intention is to expose those who are.

tax breaks,cuts whatever, cost the government nothing, its not their money. they want to keep the money they earn wow how unamerican

JamesA1102 said:
But Sara does websearches on the screennames of those who disagree with her to try to dig up personal info that she can use to launch an attack on that person. If that is not completely over the line, I don’t know what is.

lie.

JamesA1102 said:
But Sara launches personal attacks all the time.

lie.

JamesA1102 said:
I never suggested that Sara didn’t love her country. If that’s what you thought, it’s you that is reading that into what I said.

lie.

Cecelia said:
RIght, Einstein… that’s why you go into the “Sara, who lives in Italy” spiel every time you see her on the board… she’s stalking YOU…

Cecelia said:
You’ve only to scroll up and see Sara discussing politics and then see you come in and go into your spiel.

Exactly!

Wow, sorry all! I stepped away to do some stuff and see all hell broke loose. I didn’t want this to turn into yet another thread where it is all about James and his stalking and lies, but thank you for defending me, and pointing out his ridiculousness.

As some of you pointed out, I was discussing the posts, as I usually do, and was yet AGAIN interrupted by James and his off topic and personal attacks. It is ridiculous that this is allowed to continue. It completely derails the threads over and over again. The only reason I end up in this gutter tripe is to defend myself after COUNTLESS types of personal attacks.

Not my intention at all to wallow in the gutter with the likes of James, Paul or RRk, but dude! they are just too much sometimes and I have to defend myself. My hope is that someone at Mediaite will realize and clean it up or tell them to back the hell off.

JamesA1102 said:
But her screenname does that, it informs people that she is living in another country. Why is my repeating the information that is contained in her screenname wrong? Versus doing a web search on someone’s screenname to try to dig up private info on them to use as a weapon whenever someone with her.

Well, if her screen names contains that information, what would motivate you to repeat it?

What would motivate you to say “Sara who loves her country so much that she lives in Italy…”?

No, you’re read loud and clear, James. You’re just one of several internet operatives who channel a personality disorder into political interests.

I don’t entertain for one minute the notion that you’re going to stop with your stalking. That’s your designated task here. It’s not to discuss or to debate, it’s to obfuscate, divide, and all that other Alinsky stuff.

Have at it. You aren’t stopping Sara from posting and we enjoy exposing you.

I’m going out to have lunch, so continue on with the most transparent dissembling I’ve ever seen. You’re not doing your boss very proud, but you sure as hell are reassuring to your opponents.

Which version of Planet of the Apes? I’m down with the one that features Charlton Heston!

writer said:
No that is just what you are reading into it. LOL

Touche! LOL!

James, I guess you forgot those threads where RRK was attacking me, but when I gave it back to him, you chose to point out that I was making personal attacks. RRK had started it, but he got a pass. You do it. We all do it. You just can’t admit it.

Alan Grayson is worth over $31 million (the 12th richest congressman – http://www.rollcall.com/features/Guide-to-Congress_2009/guide/-38181-1.html) and employs no one. Glenn Beck employees 43 full time people with benefits, with plans to double his staff in 2011, and Rush Limbaugh has even more employees. Who does more this country? Who’s greedier?

I just want to say that as I’ve revealed elsewhere, occasionally when I get half-drunk and in a melancholy mood, I search the real estate listings for the South of France.

I like Italy and have spent significant time there. In fact because my kids can now spell and have figured-out some of my parentalspeak, I did go back and forth between using a place in Rome and another in Sienna as codewords for pizza, but because it always put those specific flavors in my mouth and then I’d be disappointed, I’ve pretty much stopped.

Oh, and /AOL chat.

JamesA1102 said:
The provocation was doing the web search on my screenname in the first place. That is unacceptable.

LIE!

JamesA1102 says:
February 10, 2010 at 10:31 am (Quote)
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Oh cut the crap Sara! I’ve read your blogs and you’ve been an Obama hater from day one. …..You are the one who is getting very old and tiresome with your lies and hypocrisy. So stop it and go see a therapist about your obsessive hatred of the President.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/michelle-obama-talks-about-sarah-palin-and-tea-parties/

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-speaker-nancy-pelosi-delivers-house-censure-to-rep-charlie-rangel/#comment-230783

writer said:
James, I guess you forgot those threads where RRK was attacking me, but when I gave it back to him, you chose to point out that I was making personal attacks. RRK had started it, but he got a pass. You do it. We all do it. You just can’t admit it.

When did I not admit it? Please.

So you are admitting it, James? No more of this ‘double standard’ accusation, when it’s actually just each side agreeing with their own? What a breakthrough!

sarainitaly said:
LIE! JamesA1102 says:February 10, 2010 at 10:31 am (Quote)0 0Oh cut the crap Sara! I’ve read your blogs and you’ve been an Obama hater from day one. …..You are the one who is getting very old and tiresome with your lies and hypocrisy. So stop it and go see a therapist about your obsessive hatred of the President. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/michelle-obama-talks-about-sarah-palin-and-tea-parties/ http://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-speaker-nancy-pelosi-delivers-house-censure-to-rep-charlie-rangel/#comment-230783

Except that you fail to point out that you link your screenname to your blog at that time and that you have repeatedly posted links to your blog in your own posts.

And that you’re response was to immediately do a screenname search on me:

sarainitaly said:
JamesA1102 says:February 10, 2010 at 12:39 pm What brought you over here James? Did DU start picking on Obama, so you had to move to greener pastures? Are you still over at HuffPO?

lazzzlo said:
Which version of Planet of the Apes? I’m down with the one that features Charlton Heston!

…and I’d pay to watch Roddy McDowell eat butter.

(Damn, AOL chat)

Cecelia said:
Well, if her screen names contains that information, what would motivate you to repeat it? What would motivate you to say “Sara who loves her country so much that she lives in Italy…”? No, you’re read loud and clear, James. You’re just one of several internet operatives who channel a personality disorder into political interests.

Personality disorder??? Are you claiming you are a doctor??? Do you have a degree in psychology???? Or are you just namecalling???

Cecelia said:
I don’t entertain for one minute the notion that you’re going to stop with your stalking. That’s your designated task here. It’s not to discuss or to debate, it’s to obfuscate, divide, and all that other Alinsky stuff.

Alinsky??? Can’t you guys ever have a discussion without bringing up Alinsky??

Cecelia said:
I’m going out to have lunch, so continue on with the most transparent dissembling I’ve ever seen. You’re not doing your boss very proud, but you sure as hell are reassuring to your opponents.

My boss??? Who is my boss supposed to be??? Alinsky maybe??? LOL

Cecelia said:
I’m sorry, but Sara being told that you operate a Planet of the Apes fansite, and her looking for it to see what it’s about does not qualify as stalking. Your following her around here and going into your canned spiel at NO provocation DOES qualify.

JamesA1102 said:
When did I not admit it? Please.

PLANET OF THE APES ?? So Roller Boogie had already been taken ?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079822/

cjd ohio 1 says:

tax breaks,cuts whatever, cost the government nothing, its not their money. they want to keep the money they earn wow how unamerican

cjd,

How the tax brakes are costing us Trillions of dollars is very simple. If these tax brakes for the upper 1% were gone, the government would be getting taxes on that money.

By allowing the tax brake for the upper 1% we are losing this revenue and their for costing the government Trillions of dollars.

Now, when this tax brake was put in place 10 years ago, Bush did not add this to our budget, like the war wasn’t added to our budget, this was done to cover the rising deficit.

When Obama got into office he added the hidden cost from the Bush administration into our budget. This tax brake was set by the Republicans to expire this year.

You can do some fact checking on all the above and I do welcome you to do this. This will help your full understand of the issue out there today.

What is unamerican is the lies about what is really going on and our Media not backing the truth because it will effect their taxes due to the money they weren’t taxed on for 10 years now, they will be taxed on in 2011.
They must be shaking in their boots! LOL

It is time that Corporations don’t get tax brakes for shipping our jobs overseas, I say give them tax brakes for making jobs here!

It is also time that the upper 1% pay their taxes too.

Magister said:
What I see above is her putting the idea that the radio/tv hosts employ several people and that they’d be in a better position to do it, if the tax cuts continue. I questioned her premise and she replied to a comment from CosmosDan that seems to have inexplicably disappeared, then you apparently agreed with her, but only after inserting your clipboard text.

Magister – that comment from Dan was from the other thread, I wanted to answer his question, and that post had already moved down too far.

Elaine B said:
Corporations don’t get tax brakes for shipping

Elaine B said:
tax brakes are costing us Trillions of dollars is very simple. If these tax brakes for the upper 1% were gone

Elaine B said:
the tax brake for the upper

Elaine B said:
, when this tax brake was

Elaine B said:
This tax brake was set by the Republicans

You could go to H&R Brake-O .

Oh, and he wasn’t agreeing with me, he was insulting me.

Elaine B said:
cjd ohio 1 says: tax breaks,cuts whatever, cost the government nothing, its not their money. they want to keep the money they earn wow how unamerican cjd, How the tax brakes are costing us Trillions of dollars is very simple. If these tax brakes for the upper 1% were gone, the government would be getting taxes on that money. By allowing the tax brake for the upper 1% we are losing this revenue and their for costing the government Trillions of dollars. Now, when this tax brake was put in place 10 years ago, Bush did not add this to our budget, like the war wasn’t added to our budget, this was done to cover the rising deficit. When Obama got into office he added the hidden cost from the Bush administration into our budget. This tax brake was set by the Republicans to expire this year. You can do some fact checking on all the above and I do welcome you to do this. This will help your full understand of the issue out there today. What is unamerican is the lies about what is really going on and our Media not backing the truth because it will effect their taxes due to the money they weren’t taxed on for 10 years now, they will be taxed on in 2011.They must be shaking in their boots! LOL It is time that Corporations don’t get tax brakes for shipping our jobs overseas, I say give them tax brakes for making jobs here! It is also time that the upper 1% pay their taxes too.

Here is a chart put together by economist Mark Zandi, a conservative, about what stimulates the economy: http://www.epi.org/page/-/img/20081022snapshot600.jpg

Here is one that shows causes of the deficit over the next ten years: http://the-wawg-blog.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/deficit-causes1.jpg

JamesA1102 said:
I apologize Felix. I did not mean to call you a racist. I was just trying to point out that Writer has a double standard between how he treats liberal vs. conservative posters.

Thanks for clarifying. Apology accepted. Let’s all get along, as Rodney King once astutely suggested.

skyfet said:
What a job/gig for folks to have! sitting there and making stuff up as they go along and not worry about the consequence of the stuff that comes out of their mouth.

You would know about making things up; that’s all you do, libtard!

sarainitaly said:
Magister – that comment from Dan was from the other thread, I wanted to answer his question, and that post had already moved down too far.

I thought that may have been the case, but since you hadn’t coded the citation to lead back to the previous thread, it didn’t go there when clicked.

Hint: If you copy and paste the previous post’s URL and insert it with a / before the number sign or if you C&P the comment’s permalink and put it as the HREF, it’ll link the name back to the prior post. As a general rule, I do the same with the “cite”, but it’s unnecessary for linkage and I probably only do it half the time.

In a Planet of the Apes discussion group , do you ever find any Cheetahs ?

Alan Grayson is a very corrupted man! these people like Alan Grayson assume that people making over $250,000 a year are concitered to be rich. lets look at the facts here. $250,000 is not that big of a number compared to millionaires and billionaires. people who make that much, half of their income goes to taxes and bills they have to pay and the majority of people who make about $250,000 a year are small businesses. they not only have to pay taxes for them selves but also businesses taxes and taxes of each employee. these small business also have to think about their employees and take care of them. people like Alan Grayson don’t want small business to have tax cuts because they make over $250,000 a year and half of that income goes to taxes, plus the Tax code is beyond complicated, no one can understand it and by making it more complicated will only further the problem. they only people they want to have a tax cut are the employees and the lower classes but there is a growing number of the lower class and both the upper and Middle classes are shrinking. the upper class has enough wealth to hire people for their businesses and are willing to buy their services. its true that the middle class has a majority of small businesses but the middle class must hire the lower class in order to work and its the upper class who will be a customer of a middle class business and if the upper class buys the services of middle classes, both the middle and lower classes gets paid by the upper class for selling the upper class their services and also the middle class can sell its business to other middle class. if the middle class can hire more lower class people then the lower class could shrink if there is high employment and less complicated tax procedures as well as reduced regulations. just check these links out!

http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/business-laws-regulations/business-regulations/?DCMP=KNC-Business-Laws-&-Regulations&HBX_PK=businesses+regulations&HBX_OU=50
http://www.ehow.com/list_6800540_rules-regulations-start_up-business.html
http://ahrcanum.wordpress.com/2010/03/19/heath-care-reform-bill-vs-constitution/
http://www.trygve.com/taxcode.html
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3063

if the tax code was simple then it would be a much less of a headache to deal with and people won’t make a big deal filing for their taxes but most people dread filing for their taxes because it so complicated, even lawyers don’t understand the tax code so how can assuming people who make over $250,000 are deemed rich, if the majority of Middle class make about $250,000 a year and half of that income goes to taxes? how is it creating jobs if only employees get a tax cut and not the employers who make about $250,000 a year and half of that income goes to taxes and another quarter of that income goes to employees to pay them for their services? yes a quarter of that income goes to employees to pay them for their services. 1/2 of $250,000 goes to taxes, and 1/4 of that goes to employees and the 2/3 goes to business. the employers only get 1/3 which is not much. I’m no business expert if people who make about $250’000 or higher will have a harder time paying their employees and they won’t have enough to hire. if they are forced to hire but have to pay higher taxes then the business will not make money, they’ll only lose money because none of that money is going to the business itself, its going to more taxes and employees, there won’t be enough to go to the business and if you keep more regulations and keep the tax code more complicated, its going to create more job losses and higher unemployment because the business are not making money. that’s not a recovering economy, that’s a toxic economy!

Magister said:
Merchandising, advertisers, publishing wouldn’t be affected, whether or not the host received a tax cut. I don’t know about all three, but at least two of the hosts use their websites as a revenue stream and since they have low overhead and are very profitable, they’d be stupid to stop. The same can be said for their tours because they aren’t altruistic, charitable enterprises; they promote a product and at least cover their own expenses, plus make some profit, even if the hosts themselves don’t get paid.

Now, you could say that because a couple of them have upgraded their homes and bought new cars, they may have a hand in a few jobs, but who’s to say that they wouldn’t have done it anyway because one naturally wants an increasing salary and few would like a cut.

Perhaps the better question would be, if the tax cuts aren’t extended, how many people will they lay-off?

I don’t know if those fringes would necessarily lose jobs because of tax hikes, but my point i was trying to make was that there are tons of jobs that can be attributed to the success of the personalities Grayson went after.

Rush, for example, makes a lot of money, but he employees a lot of people through all of his businesses, merchandise, web site, charity, etc. All the news people who benefit in web traffic or sales when he says something *outrageous* haha

And fringe companies benefit when producing his merch, distributing books, setting up tours, selling stuff, etc. So, while, yes, these people are rich, they feed a lot of revenue and salaries into the system, I would think, thus creating and maintaining jobs.

When I worked in advertising, we suffered when our clients cut back because the public cut back in spending, because the economy tanked or businesses closed, or whatever. One company’s success or failure touches many, many people.

So, I can see that if tax breaks or hikes affect a bottom line for companies, there could be layoffs or new hiring involved. And if companies are prospering and the owners are rolling in the dough, they open more stores, hire more people, hold more events, cater more company parties, etc. down the line. Isn’t that the way it works?

felixw said:
Thanks for clarifying. Apology accepted. Let’s all get along, as Rodney King once astutely suggested.

Thanks. Again you have my apologies.

Elaine B said:
By allowing the tax brake for the upper 1% we are losing this revenue and their for costing the government Trillions of dollars.

Wrong!

You don’t have that revenue now- It would be an “additional” revenue, child.

The Lantern of Truth says:

By cutting up and segmenting what I said and didn’t say, your reply was really lame.

Did you have a logical point? If so, state it.

Notsosmart,

The tax brake for the upper 1% has been costing the government for 10 years now. Hello?? is anyone home?

they do pay taxes, at 36% now, it would go up to 39%, if the government cut spending(which wont happen), what i am trying to say its not the governments money

how much should the rich pay elaine?

@sarainitaly: The fringe or support company’s possible benefit from a tax cut could be an argument in the entirety of the debate, but it doesn’t directly pertain to Grayson’s point about the conservative pundits and their personal income. And if the tours, websites and books aren’t profitable, the pundits wouldn’t do them and none appear to be on such slim margins that a return to the previous tax rate would eliminate profitability.

BTW: It’s not really relevant to Grayson’s pursuit of headlines, but it is worth noting that on the Newsweek list, Jon Stewart is actually number five and Palin is number six. Of course, it doesn’t change the argument, but since this is a media site, I felt it worth noting.

Elaine B said:
Notsosmart,

The tax brake for the upper 1% has been costing the government for 10 years now. Hello?? is anyone home?

YOU said it would COST a trillion dollars.

It costs zero because there has been no such revenue for the last 10 years.

You are one of those dullards who calls a 10% increase a 5% decrease if it where first proposed as a 115% .

D’oh!

notsofast said:
You are one of those dullards who calls a 10% increase a 5% decrease if it where first proposed as a 115% .

As a 15% increase.

D’oh!

Magister said:
BTW: It’s not really relevant to Grayson’s pursuit of headlines, but it is worth noting that on the Newsweek list, Jon Stewart is actually number five and Palin is number six. Of course, it doesn’t change the argument, but since this is a media site, I felt it worth noting.

This begs the question, how do you maintain a middle class democracy with a millionaire press corps?

Magister said:
none appear to be on such slim margins that a return to the previous tax rate would eliminate profitability.

most likely for Rush, et al, no, but it could for small business owners? the ones who are lumped in with Rush, etc. making over $250k…

Grayson makes it about selfish personal reasons, and not a wider held belief that small business owners, many who are in the +$250K category are going to be hit, and thus it would be damaging to them, the very people who employ a lot of people. I don’t really think a lot of people support the tax breaks because they want Rush to have more money in his pocket, but because they believe that small business owners would take a hit if their taxes went up….?

I still think though, for some of those millionaires that if they are having to fork over even millions more in taxes, they might not be as spendy as they would be otherwise.

as they say, the more you have, the more you spend…

Magister said:
Newsweek list

No wonder the peeps over at MSNBC hate Rush and FOX so much!

notsosmart,

You really are not so smart!! lol

It has already cost our budget Trillions of dollars to have these tax brakes. It would cost us Trillions more to extend them.

Hello, is anyone home??

they pay a tax rate of 36%, elaine what should the rich pay?

60% of the voters in Florida’s 8th realized they had a friggin maniac representing them and pulled the plug on this crazy bastard.

cjo,

They are not paying 36% with their tax brakes. The pay LESS then we do on our % of income. Where do you get your facts? How are you say they are paying 36% when they are NOT!

Check your facts please before you make false comments. Now your sounding like FOX fake news.

sarainitaly said:
Grayson makes it about selfish personal reasons, and not a wider held belief that small business owners, many who are in the +$250K category are going to be hit, and thus it would be damaging to them, the very people who employ a lot of people. I don’t really think a lot of people support the tax breaks because they want Rush to have more money in his pocket, but because they believe that small business owners would take a hit if their taxes went up….?

Grayson’s just looking for headlines and his note about the pundit’s self-interest has given him a lot of press.

Of course the divide is idealogical because if for no other reason, Stewart, Bill Clinton and Keith Olbermann are all in the Newsweek Top 10 and they’ve all come out in favor of going back to the old rates. (I can’t say that I know how Don Imus feels because I haven’t listened to him in years, so I don’t know on which side of this issue, he falls)

I think that there is a valid point that some of the most outspoken on this issue are going to benefit and as I said, I see no reason to think that their own ventures or personnel would be affected, but it’s just a grab for headlines that falls into the old Democratic argument about how the Republicans “trick” folks into voting against their self-interest.

IOW: Another day, another dollar or headline depending on which currency you trade.

their tax rate would go from 36% to 39%

what percent do you think they pay elaine?

sarainitaly said:
Grayson makes it about selfish personal reasons, and not a wider held belief that small business owners, many who are in the +$250K category are going to be hit, and thus it would be damaging to them, the very people who employ a lot of people. I don’t really think a lot of people support the tax breaks because they want Rush to have more money in his pocket, but because they believe that small business owners would take a hit if their taxes went up….?

Except only a small percentage of small businesses would be affected:
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2697
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/aug/04/randy-neugebauer/lawmaker-claims-democrats-want-hit-small-businesse/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-20/obama-soros-are-among-small-businesses-bearing-share-of-tax-on-wealthy.html
http://money.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977453286

JamesA1102 said:
And that you’re response was to immediately do a screenname search on me:

sarainitaly said:
JamesA1102 says:February 10, 2010 at 12:39 pm What brought you over here James? Did DU start picking on Obama, so you had to move to greener pastures? Are you still over at HuffPO?

Nice copy/paste editing job. There was no screen name search needed James. As you can see (when you don’t purposely edit my comment) I said I used to post over at/read DU/HuffPO, hence the “are you still over at HuffPo”. Remember…I was a Hillary Clinton supporter. The DU comment was a guess, as many people on here say things like *go back to DU* because that is where the majority of Obama supporters hung. Well, until some started getting pissed at the hardcore lefty posts that started to attack Obama for not going left enough… hence the “you moved to greened pastures”. So, sorry dear, but there were no screen name searches needed. In my experience, rude and nasty attacks + Obama supporters = DU and huffpo.

sarainitaly says:
“What brought you over here James? Did DU start picking on Obama, so you had to move to greener pastures? Are you still over at HuffPO? You know it was the mean and nasty Obama supporters at HuffPo and DU that gave me the final push me away from Obama. I couldn’t reconcile how someone who was supposed to be such a *uniter* could have such ugly, vile, nasty supporters.”

I didn’t know you were a POTA fan until someone told me, and forgot about it until someone brought it up last month. At that point, I did search online for your group and petition, and in the process found all kinds of things, like you saying rude things about Dan Abrams, Frances, and Steve on DU (and what do you know…I was right about those DU/Obama supporters). After putting up with your personal insults for a year I don’t feel too bad about *googling* you.

JamesA1102 said:
Except that you fail to point out that you link your screenname to your blog at that time and that you have repeatedly posted links to your blog in your own posts.

Blogs and comments are public, and there for people to read. You however, use all that you know about me to attack me and make personal insults (which is why I removed the hyperlink to my blog, and deleted all of my personal photos, etc.). It doesn’t matter if I provided a hyperlink to my blog, or not. You used that information to attack me in ways that have nothing to do with the topic, but are just stupid little insults, over, and over, and over again. So…after a ~year, I found my own info.

Ed Shultz is an A-hole, plus he might have beat his wife and killed a dog.

sarainitaly said:
Nice copy/paste editing job. There was no screen name search needed James. As you can see (when you don’t purposely edit my comment) I said I used to post over at/read DU/HuffPO, hence the “are you still over at HuffPo”. Remember…I was a Hillary Clinton supporter. The DU comment was a guess, as many people on here say things like *go back to DU* because that is where the majority of Obama supporters hung. Well, until some started getting pissed at the hardcore lefty posts that started to attack Obama for not going left enough… hence the “you moved to greened pastures”. So, sorry dear, but there were no screen name searches needed. In my experience, rude and nasty attacks + Obama supporters = DU and huffpo. sarainitaly says:“What brought you over here James? Did DU start picking on Obama, so you had to move to greener pastures? Are you still over at HuffPO? You know it was the mean and nasty Obama supporters at HuffPo and DU that gave me the final push me away from Obama. I couldn’t reconcile how someone who was supposed to be such a *uniter* could have such ugly, vile, nasty supporters.” I didn’t know you were a POTA fan until someone told me, and forgot about it until someone brought it up last month. At that point, I did search online for your group and petition, and in the process found all kinds of things, like you saying rude things about Dan Abrams, Frances, and Steve on DU (and what do you know…I was right about those DU/Obama supporters). After putting up with your personal insults for a year I don’t feel too bad about *googling* you. Blogs and comments are public, and there for people to read. You however, use all that you know about me to attack me and make personal insults (which is why I removed the hyperlink to my blog, and deleted all of my personal photos, etc.). It doesn’t matter if I provided a hyperlink to my blog, or not. You used that information to attack me in ways that have nothing to do with the topic, but are just stupid little insults, over, and over, and over again. So…after a ~year, I found my own info.

See this is what happens when someone tries to make a respectful, on topic response that disagrees with Sara.

I posted this:

JamesA1102 said:
Except only a small percentage of small businesses would be affected:http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2697http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/aug/04/randy-neugebauer/lawmaker-claims-democrats-want-hit-small-businesse/http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-20/obama-soros-are-among-small-businesses-bearing-share-of-tax-on-wealthy.htmlhttp://money.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977453286

And look what I got back in return. Just the hypocrisy of the first line of the response from someone who cuts and pastes links all the time is incredible.

And for the record I never used any personal info from Sara’s blogs other than the fact that she has a deep seated hatred of the President.

All I can say at this point is I tried to play nice.

Elaine B said:
They are not paying 36% with their tax brakes. The pay LESS then we do on our % of income. Where do you get your facts? How are you say they are paying 36% when they are NOT!
Check your facts please before you make false comments. Now your sounding like FOX fake news.

How about they pay nothing? We’re talking about tax break for millionaires and billionaires who have enough loopholes they never need to pay taxes on income. What Fox (as well as “lamestream media”) has omitted to tell these people is, how you give a tax break to someone who doesn’t pay taxes. Well, you give them cash! Hence, the need to borrow $750 billion dollars from China, that will add to our national debt, while the real tax payers will have to pay it off. At the same time we’re paying it off, our jobs will continue to find their way to China, India, Brazil, an all those other economies that are getting rich off us. http://www.innergnat.com

ititiiti, i hope you were being sarcastic, because you cant really believe what you just posted

Elaine B said:
notsosmart,

You really are not so smart!! lol

It has already cost our budget Trillions of dollars to have these tax brakes. It would cost us Trillions more to extend them.

Hello, is anyone home??

Not cost a penny dear, if you are not collecting it.

That’s like saying we lost $5 trillion because we did not raise taxes!!!

You are a cretin.

If only a small percentage of small businesses would be affected, why bother to raise their taxes?

Seems to me there should be a higher cap or something. A business earning $250K is a far cry from a business earning $250M. Why not move the cap from small business owners to corporations? Or make it a % of profit percentage. Or like I said above, incentives for business expansion in the form of tax breaks.

Bill Rys, tax counsel for the National Federation of Independent Business, said a survey of his organization found that the businesses most likely to be subject to the tax increase were those employing 20 to 250 workers.

“Those are the businesses that employ a quarter of the work force and the ones that are most likely to be hiring,” Mr. Rys said. “A tax increase means that’s less money that those businesses have to spend on growing their business and more money that they’re sending to Washington.“
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/18/business/smallbusiness/18smallbiz.html

While tax experts such as Kleinbard, Williams and the Obama administration itself say McConnell’s 50 percent figure exaggerates the share of income earned by traditional small businesses, they say they’re unable to rebut the percentage with an accurate one of their own.

notsofast said:
Elaine B said:
notsosmart,
You really are not so smart!! lol
It has already cost our budget Trillions of dollars to have these tax brakes. It would cost us Trillions more to extend them.
Hello, is anyone home??
Not cost a penny dear, if you are not collecting it.

That’s like saying we lost $5 trillion because we did not raise taxes!!!

I don’t get that logic either. It’s like counting your chickens before they hatch, or spending your lottery winnings before you actually won…. Is the government a bookie now?

They think it is a *loss* because they were hoping to raise the tax rate back to that, and want that money to spend… But how is it a loss if you don’t have it to begin with – how is it “costing” anything to not collect something that isn’t yours yet?

Usually when people have less money coming in, they spend less.

JamesA1102 said:
And look what I got back in return. Just the hypocrisy of the first line of the response from someone who cuts and pastes links all the time is incredible.

And for the record I never used any personal info from Sara’s blogs other than the fact that she has a deep seated hatred of the President.

All I can say at this point is I tried to play nice.

i was writing my post before yours had posted.
after my comment posted, i saw your post.
as you see, i cordially replied to your links, afterwards.

as you may or may not know, new comments do not show up unless you refresh. I was writing my long comment to your earlier accusations, that I had missed, and didn’t see your links comment.

“All I can say at this point is I tried to play nice.”

yea…that lasted long.

BTW – copy/pasting isn’t bad. It’s the selective editing, to make something appear as it isn’t, that I took issue with.

Special Ed and Alan disGrayson….man that’s a whole lot of crazy right there!
Thanks for the pic, Frances…I had alot of fun with it:

http://tinyurl.com/2erwyy6

And my comment in reply to yours with the links – I posted that one, before I saw this one: “All I can say at this point is I tried to play nice.”

I was busy reading all of your links.

Magister said:
Of course the divide is idealogical

ideological – gawd, that is the word i was looking for! i have had a raging headache all day, and could not for the life of me think of that word. haha thank you!

two of my family members are small biz owners and they are polar opposites of the issue….

Al lost in a landslide vote. No one wonders why except Al and he obviously still doesn’t believe it.

@sarainitaly: Off-topic, but with your response, I was reminded not to rely on Chrome’s spellcheck.

sarainitaly said:
If only a small percentage of small businesses would be affected, why bother to raise their taxes?

Because the point is not to raise taxes on small businesses just on those who make over $250K per year.

Magister said:
@sarainitaly: Off-topic, but with your response, I was reminded not to rely on Chrome’s spellcheck.

huh?

JamesA1102 said:
Because the point is not to raise taxes on small businesses just on those who make over $250K per year.

but there are small business owners who make over $250K/year. why not raise the cap, so as not to affect any small businesses (those with less than 500 employees)

sarainitaly said:
Magister said:
@sarainitaly: Off-topic, but with your response, I was reminded not to rely on Chrome’s spellcheck.
huh?

ah, now i got it. ahha
I didn’t even notice!
i use chrome, hence all my mistakes. ;O)

All I have to say is Ed and Grayson are “TWO of a Kind” and who would want either?

cjd ohio 1 said:
ititiiti, i hope you were being sarcastic, because you cant really believe what you just posted

Okay why don’t you tell me how you give a tax break to those who don’t have to pay a tax …

the rich pay no taxes, if thats what you believe nothing i can change that mind of yours lol

When Clinton took office, in order to pay down the debt left by the GOP, he passed a new minimum tax law, which said in part, those corporations that did not have to pay taxes due to loopholes still had to pay a minimum tax. This is the first law that Bush overturned when he took office. It is time to require them to pay their fair share like everybody else. I challenge any on here who think this is not the case to prove me wrong.

you mean all those hollywood democrats havent been paying any taxes wow

I was referring to the top 2%, if you think they are hollywood democrats, fine. whoever they are, they should be paying their fair share. In the mean time, I suggest you turn off FOX News and look up the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) for a better understanding of the issue facing the country.

no just saying some of the top 2% are hollywood dems, so the must be liars, and i read the AMT, maybe you should read it a little closer

who taught you how to read, Sarah Palin?

Jackyboy said:
Why is MSNBC still giving this guy airtime? I mean the things this guy says is just so utterly ridiculous why would anyone give him the time of day?

Because they’re MSNBC. It’s what they do.

All the usual lib trolls are conspicuously absent–even they don’t want to go on record as supporting Grayson.

Elaine B said:
cjo, They are not paying 36% with their tax brakes. The pay LESS then we do on our % of income. Where do you get your facts? How are you say they are paying 36% when they are NOT! Check your facts please before you make false comments. Now your sounding like FOX fake news.

Fact: I see the rich filing their returns by Feb 2nd not April 15th since they get so much back! You get a return they just pay isn’t that the real fact here? You listen to MSMBC to much!

Just interchange Alan Whackjob with Keith Straightjacket as both are nutty as they come. Alan would fit right in with goofballs like Chrissy Tingles, Angry Ed The Talking Hippo, and Keithy.

sarainitaly said:
AND he continuously leaves comments in the threads that have NOTHING to do with the topic, but serve only to attack me personally.

sara the victim just like the love of her life Palin. Get over yourself and quit whining.

Darn, all these comments an NO one telling us how much they love Grayson and why he would make a wonderful president.

sarainitaly said:
but there are small business owners who make over $250K/year. why not raise the cap, so as not to affect any small businesses (those with less than 500 employees)

Well they proposed one today that raised it to $1 Million but that was blocked.