Mediaite reports on the impact of tax cuts on Fox News, but not a whisper about the $16 billion in secret funds from the Fed for MSNBC’s parent company (as reported in today’s Washington Post). What’s going on here?

lmao
go git a job Grayson!

I bet that MOFO takes two years to get a job!!!!

Brilliant Television? Are you kidding? And I second Felix’s comment on why the silence on the taxpayer bailout of MSNBC. Why should we be paying the high salaries of the most dysfunctional people on television?

rocky road said:
Brilliant Television? Are you kidding? And I second Felix’s comment on why the silence on the taxpayer bailout of MSNBC. Why should we be paying the high salaries of the most dysfunctional people on television?

Here’s the link to the story in the Washington Post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/01/AR2010120106870.html

It outlines the Fed’s secret purchase of $16 billion in General Electric commercial paper in 2008 — which the GE news outlets never covered, and was kept secret until today. This is a staggering conflict of interest: news reporters at MNSBC shill for the administration every day of the year, while their parent company gets huge amounts of secret cash. Olbermann’s campaign donations resulted in more than a dozen stories at Mediaite, but this $16 billion payoff gets no coverage? What’s going on at Mediaite?

Fact: Alan Grayson losing his election last in November tries his best to look important by surrounding himself with Fox News icon posters.

No one is reducing these people’s taxes next year relative to this. The issue is whether they are raised.

Perhaps Grayson’s inability to understand this led to his election loss? The money belongs to the people, not to the government. But Grayson talks about people getting “extra money” if the tax rates are not raised–i.e. he believes the earnings of the people belong to the government.

Now, let’s look at Grayson’s record of spending. He asked for two earmarks, both for unions, one of which gave him an award prior to the request. Why exactly should we trust a corrupt spendocrat not even worthy of reelection by his own constituency? He lost by 56% to 38%. The people closest to him seem to like him very little…

Nice try at deflecting….the whole point is that the most vociferous ‘advocates’ of retaining the Bush tax cuts have a lot to gain and they don’t forward any disclosure of that to the “we the people” that hang on their every canard. Pffft greedy jerks, every one of them.

Loved it. Grayson can be a blowhard sometimes but moments like this are worth it.

nighean donn said:
the whole point is that the most vociferous ‘advocates’ of retaining the Bush tax cuts have a lot to gain and they don’t forward any disclosure

Not like getting $16 billion in secret transfers of taxpayer money for your parent company, while shilling for the administration on your TV shows. Talk about a disclosure problem!!! That’s the biggest secret payoff to a media company in the history of media. You might think it would warrant a tiny story here, huh?

Felix, its obvious the Mediate is ignoring it because Abrahms is NBC’s legal analyst. Everyone see’s that Mediate is coving up for GE. If they keep up the cover up, they’ll lose all credibility

can you believe it, the government letting people keep their money, what is this world coming too

It’s a matter of semantics Phil. Taxes aren’t going up…the unfair unpaid for un-job-creating tax cuts are ending. Boo friggin’ hoo that the rich guys won’t get as much. I just bet there isn’t one single righty here that makes anything NEAR what these people make, yet you defend their greed. Good for you, because you may just get what you want….you work more and longer and harder and Rush et al can reap the benefits.

Did Sarah Palin bang Marcus Lamb? http://abcn.ws/gEjojk

General Electric – We bring evil to life . Let’s see more on the G.E. – NBC connection . Green week , huh ?

felixw said:
Not like getting $16 billion in secret transfers of taxpayer money for your parent company, while shilling for the administration on your TV shows. Talk about a disclosure problem!!! That’s the biggest secret payoff to a media company in the history of media. You might think it would warrant a tiny story here, huh?

Oh well if you’re going to talk about secret money and funnelling it to places it perhaps shouldn’t be, you only have to look at what the right wing machine did running up to the latest election. When the gormless followers of the GOPTeaparty finally see that they are being conned, it will be a bright sunny day in Liberalville.

Alan Grayson voted out. What a riot. What is he talking about ? Who cares ? Maybe if Congress extends the unemployment benefits, he’ll get another government check.

Big Eddie said:
General Electric – We bring evil to life . Let’s see more on the G.E. – NBC connection . Green week , huh ?

G.E. – Obama connection .

nighean donn said:
Oh well if you’re going to talk about secret money and funnelling it to places it perhaps shouldn’t be, you only have to look at what the right wing machine did running up to the latest election. When the gormless followers of the GOPTeaparty finally see that they are being conned, it will be a bright sunny day in Liberalville.

Donn, Can you show me where tax payer money was used to bribe an entertainment company in order to get them to report on republicans in a favorable light?

nighean donn said:
Nice try at deflecting….the whole point is that the most vociferous ‘advocates’ of retaining the Bush tax cuts have a lot to gain and they don’t forward any disclosure of that to the “we the people” that hang on their every canard. Pffft greedy jerks, every one of them.

You Libs don’t get it and never will. You hate successful people that actually want to keep what they earn. How about cutting all the waste. You still can’t believe that you took such a beating in the elections as all the new massive spending and giveaways were rejected by the people. Yet they keep on spending and keep on creating new government jobs and agencies. Time to cut off the money train and let people keep what they earn.

felixw said:
Mediaite reports on the impact of tax cuts on Fox News, but not a whisper about the $16 billion in secret funds from the Fed for MSNBC’s parent company (as reported in today’s Washington Post). What’s going on here?

Mediaite is a Soros funded, left wing attack dog. Another arm of the Democrat party.

“…losing his election last November.” The people have spoken. Don’t let the door hit you in your ass on the way out. Alan Grayson is the poster boy for the failed Progressive takeover of America.

nighean donn said:
Oh well if you’re going to talk about secret money and funnelling it to places it perhaps shouldn’t be, you only have to look at what the right wing machine did running up to the latest election. When the gormless followers of the GOPTeaparty finally see that they are being conned, it will be a bright sunny day in Liberalville.

How can you not be pissed about this? If Bush was funneling money to FoxNews to get positive coverage, I’d be screaming about it. This doesn’t concern you?

nighean donn said:
Oh well if you’re going to talk about secret money and funnelling it to places it perhaps shouldn’t be, you only have to look at what the right wing machine did running up to the latest election. When the gormless followers of the GOPTeaparty finally see that they are being conned, it will be a bright sunny day in Liberalville.

Are you such a bitch to the Dem party that you’re not outraged about this? How can you look at yourself in the mirror? They control you…..Puppet

THIS IS WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT! Democrats you have a few weeks left, a lot of you will be gone come January. Do NOT let Republicans get their way, let your final goodbye be a big fuck you to their bullshit and belief that they can simply run over people. Show them that they aren’t the majority yet!! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE!!!!!

I’m just surprised that Grayson was able to keep himself from photoshopping turbans, beards, and M16s into all of the pictures to make the Fox hosts seem like Taliban soldiers. Oh well. I’m sure he’ll do it on his MSNBC show when it starts this spring.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
THIS IS WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT! Democrats you have a few weeks left, a lot of you will be gone come January. Do NOT let Republicans get their way, let your final goodbye be a big fuck you to their bullshit and belief that they can simply run over people. Show them that they aren’t the majority yet!! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE!!!!!

Sorry buddy, but your party is just being smart. They know that Americans don’t want a huge tax increase- if the Bush tax cuts expire. The propaganda from NBC has failed to brainwash America and the country is now on the conservative side. You libs are finished.

Gee hard to believe this guy loss.

Scott_in_MI said:
Sorry buddy, but your party is just being smart. They know that Americans don’t want a huge tax increase- if the Bush tax cuts expire. The propaganda from NBC has failed to brainwash America and the country is now on the conservative side. You libs are finished.

You’re the one that seems to be brainwashed, “buddy”. The democrats aren’t placing some “huge tax increase” on the people, they’re keeping the tax rate for a majority, only raising it on those making over $250,000. Get a clue and stop reiterating the same tired old talking points!!!!

Economy needs help, corporations are making their biggest profits ever, all the while finding ways to stick it to people that aren’t doing well financially.

Are you all blind? You’re all being fleeced by lobbyists, Republicans and Democrats alike.

These tax cuts need to expire or our country will only being doing worse longer.

It’s time for the wealthy to take a hit, sorry. Just how it’s going to be. Do they care more about 3% or the country? They make such a big deal out of 3% but chances are someone will come out and undo these changes, so why not just suck it up for 2 years so our country can do better?

I’m sick of these selfish greedy rich people. They want to control our government, they want to WIN… they will do that by any means possible… just remember that.

It should be noted that Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and Orielly, are probably among the small businesses that the GOP keeps talking about.

Sweet, my income taxes won’t go up.

yeah, the rich should pay more for everything, food, gas, everything they are just greedy

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
You’re the one that seems to be brainwashed, “buddy”. The democrats aren’t placing some “huge tax increase” on the people, they’re keeping the tax rate for a majority, only raising it on those making over $250,000. Get a clue and stop reiterating the same tired old talking points!!!!

Well apparently your message isnt working because the Bush TAX CUTS will be kept in place. The far left MSNBC libs are so small thats its embarassing

Hey Colby

Can you cover that story about that that televangelist–Marcus Lamb–having an affair. And if possible, can you research what his political stances were, and then reconcile his personal conduct with those stances?

Much obliged.

Grayson makes the point that these “personalities” hollerin’ from top their soapboxes have quite a bit to gain from what they preach to you.

What are you in the crowd gaining?

Guys – I hate to burst your feverish conspiracy bubble, but the Fed purchased GE commercial paper repeatedly in 2008….Under the Bush administration.

By your calendar impared reasoning, Bernanke — in consultation with Hank Paulson, Bush’s uber Free Market treasury sec’y– decided to funnel federal dollars to GE for the sake of getting positive spin from NBC and MSNBC for…Obama?

Actually, if you were looking for a conspiracy, this would be cutting in the other direction, that the Bush administration was looking to get positive coverage for McCain so that no incoming Dem administration would be able to investigate Torture, warrentless wiretapping, Pre-war intel, etc… But I don’t think even the most left wing commentator would push that — The economy was circling the drain, and there is no way the either Bush or Obama were going to let Wall Street and the largest industrial giants in this country feel any more pain than the bare minimum. That kind of suffering was strictly for the working & middle class and the poor.

yeah, lets take all of their stuff, they dont need it, the rich are so selfish

Scott_in_MI said:
Well apparently your message isnt working because the Bush TAX CUTS will be kept in place. The far left MSNBC libs are so small thats its embarassing

You sure?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclusive/20101202/pl_yblog_exclusive/house-passes-bush-tax-cuts-but-real-action-elsewhere

Nacho said:
Grayson makes the point that these “personalities” hollerin’ from top their soapboxes have quite a bit to gain from what they preach to you.

What are you in the crowd gaining?

For most of the Republicans in Congress, the tax cut for the rich represents a way to pay back its donors and all those people who secretly donated money to the chamber of commerce. It is not about jobs for them.

And when the deficit increases due to these tax cuts, they are going to turn around and then blame the Democrats for excessive spending.

Nacho said:
Grayson makes the point that these “personalities” hollerin’ from top their soapboxes have quite a bit to gain from what they preach to you.

What are you in the crowd gaining?

well if we’re brainwashed properly we’ll believe that this is a victory for freedom.

Good for you, Alan…

Go out swinging.

Someone has to point out that most of the pundits who are for the tax cut extension for the wealthy have a good deal to lose personally if it doesn’t pass.
Like when Bill O’Reilly lost it on national TV with Barney Frank. It was only a couple of days ago that he finally revealed he lost a BUNDLE just then. So all that anger directed at Barney wasn’t Bill “watching out for the folks”, it was Bill fucking furious he took a bath!!! lolol

Well, Colby, the talking heads at CNBC champion extending the Bush tax cuts too.

Why is it that there’s a blog on this, but no mention of the fact that MSNBC’s lineup consistently championed govt bailouts that included GE?

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Good for you, Alan…

Go out swinging.

Someone has to point out that most of the pundits who are for the tax cut extension for the wealthy have a good deal to lose personally if it doesn’t pass.
Like when Bill O’Reilly lost it on national TV with Barney Frank. It was only a couple of days ago that he finally revealed he lost a BUNDLE just then. So all that anger directed at Barney wasn’t Bill “watching out for the folks”, it was Bill fucking furious he took a bath!!! lolol

In other words, their personal finances are affecting their punditry and someone has to point that out.

That someone is Alan.

yeah, those people justed worked for their money, we need it so screw them

$16,000,000,000 buys a lot of kind words at sycophantic, bottom-feeding cable news networks. This is corruption at the highest levels. Darrell Issa couldn’t be happier.

I have never met a meaner bunch of people than the rightwingers who hang around this website.Alan Grayson is a smart cookie, even though he wasn’t re-elected, and his presentation was nothing short of brilliant. You don’t even begin to understand that it’s the extreme greed of all of us that’s doing us in and nowhere else is it more evident in the obscene incomes of a small number of people and the very low taxes they pay. 100 years ago we were in a similar situation and, fortunately we had a progressive President, Teddy Roosevelt who broke up the greedy trusts. Since Reagan things have been going backwards and we’re now where we were 100 years ago – a tiny number of people own most of the country. It’s only common sense that that’s not good for democracy. It makes no difference whether the Republicans are in or out of power. They do not want to help create good, civic government. They just want more money and power and wil do literally do anything they can to get it. It never ceases to amaze me how illogical and alienated much of the right is in defending the indefensible. I think when you’re watching Grayson’s congressional presentation your mind goes blank and you deflect to something else because you can’t handle the clarity of what he’s saying, which is that the wealthiest amongst us are really out of control and they should thank God they’re doing so well, and, in turn, it’s their duty to pay more taxes and work positively for better government. As for the government helping GE – well, the government has helped many companies especially those involved in working for the military and GE has zillions in military contracts.

cjd ohio 1 said:
yeah, those people justed worked for their money, we need it so screw them

When you start getting into the compensation of those making over 1 million a year, SOMETIMES they are rewarded at that level for vision, ingeniuty and risk – But just as often, its income from excessive corporate pay (Wall Street bonuses are on track to set new records this year after a quick breather last year) or income from inherited wealth now invested.

The concentration of wealth into the hands of the top 1% of this country accelorated like crazy under Dubya, and that wasn’t the result in a sudden burst of elbow grease by the rich. It represented a huge step in this country moving from a democracy to a plutocracy, where the rules are made by and for the ultra rich.

To be honest, I dont really care about the rich being taxed at a higher rate.

That being said, If Nancy Pelosi, Alan Grayson and the like want it, then I don’t. Thats how much trust we should give Democrats right now.

Oh and Grayson? FOR GOD SAKES STFU! Aren’t you set for your anchor job on MSNBC yet? Go away already.

disenlightened said:
$16,000,000,000 buys a lot of kind words at sycophantic, bottom-feeding cable news networks

So Issa will be using his committee to investigate Bush? Fantastic! (considering that the Fed bought all that paper under the Bush administration…)

BarneyFranken said:
That being said, If Nancy Pelosi, Alan Grayson and the like want it, then I don’t. Thats how much trust we should give Democrats right now.

Somewhere Roger Ailes is reading that, chuckling darkly and feeling the satisfaction of a job well done. The Dems can’t get out of their own way and you see them as some dark conspiratory faction. Perhaps you should keep on eye on the GOP who created the majority (although admittedly not all) of this financial mess.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
In other words, their personal finances are affecting their punditry and someone has to point that out. That someone is Alan.

That someone is green… with a big fat J !!!

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
In other words, their personal finances are affecting their punditry and someone has to point that out.

That someone is Alan.

Have you ever heard of “voting your pocketbook”? That’s life. Theaving liberals do it all the time by voting for shlubs who will dole out more and more welfare by stealing from the productive. Grayson is an ambulance chasing lawyer – no one gives more money to Democrats to influence legislation and, therefore, their personal finances, then attorneys do. Why in the hell would anyone support a politician who promises to make them poorer?

ganymede said:
As for the government helping GE – well, the government has helped many companies especially those involved in working for the military and GE has zillions in military contracts.

And int the future, GE stands to make zillions in contracts with the govt over green energy policy…

You’ve made my point. If Grayson’s stunt can be considered cogent because it suggests that an arguable position on recession era economic policy is simply a personally motivated mercenary move, how much more can the same be said for those MSNBC pundits whose professional fortunes may have rested upon the propping up of GE…

Alan Grayson is the 11th richest member of either the House or the Senate, according to this Roll Call article: http://www.rollcall.com/features/Guide-to-Congress_2010/guide/-49892-1.html. If Grayson thinks taxes are too low, the Treasury accepts donations. Just saying. The same goes for Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Bill Clinton and the other modern-day Marie Antoinettes.

And really, Colby, “brilliant television”?? I think you need to watch more TV.

disenlightened said:
Have you ever heard of “voting your pocketbook”?

Ummm….voting your pocketbook and “Journalism from your pocketbook” are two very different things.

Especially when it produces a mind-blowingly angry interview with Barney Frank because you took a beating.

nighean donn said:
Nice try at deflecting….the whole point is that the most vociferous ‘advocates’ of retaining the Bush tax cuts have a lot to gain and they don’t forward any disclosure of that to the “we the people” that hang on their every canard. Pffft greedy jerks, every one of them.

I’m sorry, but that’s asinine. Everyone knows how much money Beck and Limbaugh have. It’s hardly a secret that they’d benefit so what is the need for disclosure? And, it’s not ‘greedy’ to want to hang on to as much of their money as they can. I’d bet a large amount that Beck and Limbaugh give more to charity than fat cat Democrats, based on study after study that show Repub. give more to charity-as a % of income-than their Dem. counterparts.

Cecelia said:
how much more can the same be said for those MSNBC pundits whose professional fortunes may have rested upon the propping up of GE…

Not to say that the MSNBC types aren’t also driven by self interest, but their fate wasn’t as intertwined with that of GE as you may think. GE was very publicly putting NBC/Universal on the block starting in late 2007. The deal with Comcast closed in late 2009 but GE and NBC were clearly parting ways before the Fed pumped money into GE.

nighean donn said:
Oh well if you’re going to talk about secret money and funnelling it to places it perhaps shouldn’t be, you only have to look at what the right wing machine did running up to the latest election. When the gormless followers of the GOPTeaparty finally see that they are being conned, it will be a bright sunny day in Liberalville.

Get real. Are you comparing legal donations by individual citizens to $16 billion in secret funds funneled to the parnt of a news organization that gives this administration favorable coverage every day of the year? What a ridiculous comment!

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Ummm….voting your pocketbook and “Journalism from your pocketbook” are two very different things.

Especially when it produces a mind-blowingly angry interview with Barney Frank because you took a beating.

LOL. Two very different things. That’s priceless – no, it’s worth $16 billion dollars!

BART71 said:
The deal with Comcast closed in late 2009 but GE and NBC were clearly parting ways before the Fed pumped money into GE.

Even more reason for the talking heads to fear that GE may have engaged in some cost cutting measures that would have put several of their costly booties on the block.

felixw said:
Here’s the link to the story in the Washington Post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/01/AR2010120106870.html

It outlines the Fed’s secret purchase of $16 billion in General Electric commercial paper in 2008 — which the GE news outlets never covered, and was kept secret until today. This is a staggering conflict of interest: news reporters at MNSBC shill for the administration every day of the year, while their parent company gets huge amounts of secret cash. Olbermann’s campaign donations resulted in more than a dozen stories at Mediaite, but this $16 billion payoff gets no coverage? What’s going on at Mediaite?

Well obviously, the answer is that Dan Abrams is on the NBC payroll. For his sake, Mediaite wouldn’t dare report on NBC News’ concealment of the GE bailout. It’s all about money, as usual.

Scott_in_MI said:
Felix, its obvious the Mediate is ignoring it because Abrahms is NBC’s legal analyst. Everyone see’s that Mediate is coving up for GE. If they keep up the cover up, they’ll lose all credibility

You may be right. What a sad commentary on this site.

BART71 said:
Not to say that the MSNBC types aren’t also driven by self interest, but their fate wasn’t as intertwined with that of GE as you may think. GE was very publicly putting NBC/Universal on the block starting in late 2007. The deal with Comcast closed in late 2009 but GE and NBC were clearly parting ways before the Fed pumped money into GE.

Oh, okay. How long you been bending over?

felixw said:
$16 billion in secret funds funneled to the parnt of a news organization

Again, Felix – The 16 billion was pushed into GE by the Bush Administration in 2008. Obama took office in Jan, 2009.

Also – I think that Nighean was referring to the Rove & Chamber of Commerce fundraising that funnelled tens of millions of corporate dollars anonymously into the GOP war chest thanks the the Supreme Court’s citizens united ruling that corporations, even foreign corporations, should be treated as citizens with full rights to fund candidates without limit in elections, and to do so without the need to disclose their involvement.

cjd ohio 1 says:
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yeah, those people justed worked for their money, we need it so screw them

yeah rush limbaugh sitting in a chair all day crying about black people sure is working hard.

BART71 said:
The deal with Comcast closed in late 2009 but GE and NBC were clearly parting ways before the Fed pumped money into GE.

The Comcast deal has not been approved by government regulators. And even if it does get approved, GE still will own 49% of NBC. So the Comcast situation does not lessen the huge conflict of interest in running a news organization that shills for the administration while take huge amounts of secret cash from the Fed.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
You sure?http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclusive/20101202/pl_yblog_exclusive/house-passes-bush-tax-cuts-but-real-action-elsewhere

I don’t know if you know this, but there are two houses of Congress. The House of Rep and the Senate. They BOTH need to pass a bill before the President can sign it into law. You got that? Its difficult to follow, but if you study it you’ll get it.

It outlines the Fed’s secret purchase of $16 billion in General Electric commercial paper in 2008 — which the GE news outlets never covered, and was kept secret until today. This is a staggering conflict of interest: news reporters at MNSBC shill for the administration every day of the year, while their parent company gets huge amounts of secret cash.

yeah, you sure saw MSNBC shilling for that money considering their bailout came in fall 2008…when george w. bush was still president.

another teabagger moron without a clue.

ganymede said:
I have never met a meaner bunch of people than the rightwingers who hang around this website.Alan Grayson is a smart cookie, even though he wasn’t re-elected, and his presentation was nothing short of brilliant. You don’t even begin to understand that it’s the extreme greed of all of us that’s doing us in and nowhere else is it more evident in the obscene incomes of a small number of people and the very low taxes they pay. 100 years ago we were in a similar situation and, fortunately we had a progressive President, Teddy Roosevelt who broke up the greedy trusts. Since Reagan things have been going backwards and we’re now where we were 100 years ago – a tiny number of people own most of the country. It’s only common sense that that’s not good for democracy. It makes no difference whether the Republicans are in or out of power. They do not want to help create good, civic government. They just want more money and power and wil do literally do anything they can to get it. It never ceases to amaze me how illogical and alienated much of the right is in defending the indefensible. I think when you’re watching Grayson’s congressional presentation your mind goes blank and you deflect to something else because you can’t handle the clarity of what he’s saying, which is that the wealthiest amongst us are really out of control and they should thank God they’re doing so well, and, in turn, it’s their duty to pay more taxes and work positively for better government. As for the government helping GE – well, the government has helped many companies especially those involved in working for the military and GE has zillions in military contracts.

Fact Progressives start the panic of 1907 under Roosevelt!
In the summer of 1907, the American economy was showing signs of weakness as a number of business and Wall Street brokerages went bankrupt. In October, the respected Knickerbocker Trust in New York City and the ¹Westinghouse Electric Company both failed, touching off a series of events known as the Panic of 1907.

In the wake of the initial business collapses, stock market prices plummeted and depositors made a massive run on the nation’s banks. The U.S. Treasury pumped millions of dollars into weak banks in the hope of saving them, but the string of collapsed institutions lengthened.

In a reprise of his role during the second Cleveland administration when the gold standard was under assault, J.P. Morgan acted to restore order. He summoned the leading bankers and financial experts to his home where they set up shop in his library. Over the course of the next three weeks, Morgan and his associates labored to channel money from the strong institutions to the weaker ones in an effort to keep them afloat.

The joint effort of the government and the business leaders improved conditions markedly over the course of several weeks. While the crisis passed, the finger-pointing began. Reform elements of both political parties believed that the American banking system was fundamentally flawed and needed wholesale change. Business leaders, however, held that Roosevelt’s progressive legislation had upset the natural order of the economy and the government should stop its meddling.

Following the Panic of 1907, the reform elements gradually gained the upper hand. An emerging consensus affirmed that thorough bank reform was necessary to provide badly needed currency elasticity (a major issue in the Panic) and the general soundness of the banking system. Congress responded by passing stop-gap legislation, the Aldrich-Vreeland Act (1908), until more thorough actions could be prepared.

Bailouts don’t help anyone then and now!

felixw said:
GE still will own 49% of NBC.

True, but GE will have no control of NBC.

And one more time: if you define MSNBC as shilling for the current administration, how would it be a conflict of interest for the money to have been injected into GE through 12 purchases of GE commercial paper during the last year of the Bush administration?

you can tell grayson’s tactic worked by all the frothing at the mouth teabaggers all worked up to do what their masters tell them to do.

its kinda sad how conservatives have no sense of rugged individualism or hard work and think that sitting in a chair all day complaining about black people is a job. maybe if conservatives actually worked for a living instead of sitting in their parent’s basements all day playing Call Of Duty and watching red dawn before heading out to play brownshirt at their local militia they’d find out what its like to be a real American. instead they do what the multi-millionaire who never worked for a living tells them to do.

BART71 said:
Again, Felix – The 16 billion was pushed into GE by the Bush Administration in 2008. Obama took office in Jan, 2009.

Also – I think that Nighean was referring to the Rove & Chamber of Commerce fundraising that funnelled tens of millions of corporate dollars anonymously into the GOP war chest thanks the the Supreme Court’s citizens united ruling that corporations, even foreign corporations, should be treated as citizens with full rights to fund candidates without limit in elections, and to do so without the need to disclose their involvement.

The propriety of a news organization taking $16 billion in secret money from the government is unaffected by the actual date the loan was made. Under two years of Obama, this has been kept hidden from view, while MSNBC shills for the President. You can’t make that look okay no matter how hard you spin.

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while MSNBC shills for the President.

yeah that joe scarborough and pat buchanan sure shill for the administration. *jerk off motion*

$16 billion dollars. Why, off the top of my head, that’s $197,343,146,237 Mexican pesos, and I think $166,080,000,000,000 Iranian rials. That would buy a whole lot of psychotropic drugs for the prime time lineup at MSNBC.

That would buy a whole lot of psychotropic drugs for the prime time lineup at MSNBC.

maybe limbaugh could hook them up with his dealer.

So what is wrong with giving tax cuts only to the “Haves and the Haves mores” in this economy?

felixw said:
The propriety of a news organization taking $16 billion in secret money from the government is unaffected by the actual date the loan was made. You can’t make that look okay no matter how hard you spin.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH…seriously, thanks for the laugh.

You can’t make it about Obama no matter how hard YOU spin.

It kinda sucks when another one of your infinite conspiracies comes crashing down around you again.

felixw said:
Under two years of Obama, this has been kept hidden from view, while MSNBC shills for the President. You can’t make that look okay no matter how hard you spin.

So let me make sure I’m following your logic: Among the scores of deliberately crappy deals made by the Bush administration to bail out wall street and some of the largest corporations, a single one of them was to a conglomerate which publically was ceding control of a media company that had the third place cable news channel as one of its assets. So, once Obama took over the White House, the details of the entire Bush bailout deal — across the entire financial sector and including these large conglomerates — was kept secret to cover up the nepharious fact that the Bush administration had deliverately paid off GE in advance for favorable coverage of their political adversaries IF the deal to divest the controlling interest in NBC/U somehow fell through.

I guess I never looked at it that way. You may be on to something here,

BART71 said:
So let me make sure I’m following your logic: Among the scores of deliberately crappy deals made by the Bush administration to bail out wall street and some of the largest corporations, a single one of them was to a conglomerate which publically was ceding control of a media company that had the third place cable news channel as one of its assets. So, once Obama took over the White House, the details of the entire Bush bailout deal — across the entire financial sector and including these large conglomerates — was kept secret to cover up the nepharious fact that the Bush administration had deliverately paid off GE in advance for favorable coverage of their political adversaries IF the deal to divest the controlling interest in NBC/U somehow fell through.

I guess I never looked at it that way. You may be on to something here,

Perfectly stated… Just like Obama took over the auto industry and the banks… Repeat a lie enough times and those poorly equipped to distinguish become very useful.

BART71 said:
True, but GE will have no control of NBC.

And one more time: if you define MSNBC as shilling for the current administration, how would it be a conflict of interest for the money to have been injected into GE through 12 purchases of GE commercial paper during the last year of the Bush administration?

So appropriate you used the word “shill”. $16,000,000,000 dollars worth of batteries for Olbermann and Maddow’s sex toys.

Alan Grayson does what he does best. Bloviate. He is and will always be a true representative of the Progressive Left. It is important to remember that as he pontificates views from the fringe, he is touted as the center of the Democratic Party. I know a person of his ability will not fade away quietly (need there be any doubt?) That being said, his diatribes should be elevated to the light and displayed to the world what a true progressive intellectual stands for, classless. BTW, He Lost, We won

BART71 said:
So, once Obama took over the White House, the details of the entire Bush bailout deal — across the entire financial sector and including these large conglomerates — was kept secret to cover up the nepharious fact that the Bush administration had deliverately paid off GE in advance for favorable coverage of their political adversaries IF the deal to divest the controlling interest in NBC/U somehow fell through.

Well, there was a Democratic congress and senate involved here, you know… Don’t give Bush ALL the credit…

Again, if Alan Grayson can suggest that arguable economic policy stances on taxes are mere mercenary moves by well paid tv pundits, surely it stands to reason that the same could be said of MSNBC.

disenlightened said:
So appropriate you used the word “shill”. $16,000,000,000 dollars worth of batteries for Olbermann and Maddow’s sex toys.

I dunno why conservatives even think they have any credibility

after all, their hero sharon angle stated flat out that conservatives think dictators have the best ideas.

why do conservatives admire dictators so much? it’s like they hate freedom or have some kinda problem with America.

Case in point

It would certainly stand to reason that Mediaite could blog about it…

The republicans have a certain army of idiots to cut paste insult and abuse the foundations of logic.

Greg said:
The republicans have a certain army of idiots to cut paste insult and abuse the foundations of logic.

Yes, then they might call themselves Drudgiaite.

Cecelia said:
It would certainly stand to reason that Mediaite could blog about it…

Cecelia said:
Well, there was a Democratic congress and senate involved here, you know… Don’t give Bush ALL the credit…

In this case the alleged 16 Billion dollars in MSNBC payola for supposed positive press toward the yet to be elected Obama was a move by the Federal Reserve Bank, whose Chairman is chosen by the President, in this case Bush.

we all know obama made the bush administration pay off GE so that joe scarborough and pat buchanan would find his birth certificate and help him implement his secret kenyan muslim socialist nazi stalinist program to force glenn beck to have a gay marriage abortion.

in other conservative news, the world has yet to be determined if it’s round or flat….

Impotent with respect to doing ANYTHING to create jobs for out-of-work Americans, Grayson instead declares that certain ‘rich’ people stand to gain the most. Like John Kerry and his tax-dodging yacht, perhaps? Nope. How about John Edwards? Or rich Nancy Pelosi? Or ‘Little Timmy’ Geithner? Nope. Grayson is deaf and dumb with respect to rich LIBERALS, which is about as glaring as that gap between his teeth.

Let me get this straight; Glenn Beck is being accused of acting in his own self-interest!? Since when is that wrong? Rush and Glenn have every right to fight against legislation that they think harms them unfairly. You designed this stupid “democracy” we have where the majority subject the minority to tyranny so enjoy it. I would prefer a constitutional republic where the government has no income tax to steal so the can divide us. Ugh. Let me know when the country collapses so we can rebuild it.

Hey Chris, How about me and my family!! Were all rich too! And Chaney and Condi and well you know, all of us who were in 2 years ago. Don’t forget all of us!

Geroge said:
Hey Chris, How about me and my family!! Were all rich too! And Chaney and Condi and well you know, all of us who were in 2 years ago. Don’t forget all of us!

Mazel_Tov !

George C said:
Mazel_Tov !

Check.

yep Nazel_Tov !

Hey… George, put a shirt on…

OH…. And get a job!

Geroge said:
Hey… George, put a shirt on…

A ” Pam Alexander ” like slip up earlier , no ?

Geroge said:
Hey… George, put a shirt on…

Don’t you like how George C likes a picture of a naked man beside his name. But there’s nothing wrong with it if that’s the lifestyle he chooses.

murf said:
A ” Pam Alexander ” like slip up earlier , no ?

You betcha ! ;)

Yo Smurfie…. NO

iris said:
Yo Smurfie…. NO

the real john t said:
But there’s nothing wrong with it if that’s the lifestyle he chooses.

Have you been molested by Mr. Armwood that causes you such knee-jerk homophobia ?

Geroge said:
Hey… George, put a shirt on…

Cause I’m my avatar LOL , good one .

murf said:
Have you been molested by Mr. Armwood that causes you such knee-jerk homophobia ?

How is it homophobia since I don’t have a problem with it? I’ve got a gay couple living 2 houses down from me and GASP a white woman living with a black man right next door to me. We all get along just fine. So suck on that smurf.

George C said:
Cause I’m my avatar LOL , good one .

That really bothers him doesn’t it ? I guess his playbook of comebacks are so weak and recycled, he is forced to resort to his homophobic reactions.

John T Brown you are my hero

the real john t brown said:
How is it homophobia since I don’t have a problem with it? I’ve got a gay couple living 2 houses down from me and GASP a white woman living with a black man right next door to me. We all get along just fine. So suck on that smurf.

GASP ? More projected–racism.

the real john t said:
I’ve got a gay couple living 2 houses down from me

Do they play baseball ?

George C said:
Do they play baseball ?

He-He

Oh this is too damned funny!

Obviously “MR IMPORTANCE” who just couldn’t cut it in the big leagues and will soon be unknown again, just doesn’t get it! Does he really think that a million or two or, oh my God, that dreaded $180,000 that George Bush will “lose”, will make any of these guys lose any sleep at night??? This is just too absurd and only this wacked out screwy looking freak with bad hair and a very odd left eyebrow could even concoct something like this. To say it makes no sense is an understatement!

George C….. do you like them? Do you want a 3 sum? Could you dig it?

Bonnie_Mazel said:
George C….. do you like them? Do you want a 3 sum? Could you dig it?

I’m pretty open minded , and , I have say no. Not that there’s anything wrong with that . John t , on the other hand ,has all ready in graphic detail , professed his rather dark desires . Bats Ball and Bathrooms OH MY !

George C said:
Bats Ball and Bathrooms OH MY !

Did they get the bat out yet ?

murf said:
John T Brown you are my hero

Hey smurf, my little stalker, did you share your informatiom about me with Gordon Bloyer? If you did with his expert private investigation skills you could find out exactly where I live. Then you could sit outside my house and drool all over each other.

the real john t said:
Hey smurf, my little stalker, did you share your informatiom about me with Gordon Bloyer? If you did with his expert private investigation skills you could find out exactly where I live. Then you could sit outside my house and drool all over each other.

Uh , when you ..uh..emailed me that one time , John brown was the sender name 2+2 = 4 ..private investigation not needed there bud. LMAO

murf said:
Uh , when you ..uh..emailed me that one time , John brown was the sender name 2+2 = 4 ..private investigation not needed there bud. LMAO

Well like I said, Gordo would love to know all about me. With his expert PI skills he could probably find out exactly where I live and you 2 could sit in front of my house and drool over each other. Since you love to publish peoples names on the internet, you must be a stalker.

As Gorgeous George would say…

LOL

Bonnie_Mazel said:
LOL

LOL

Bonnie_Mazel said:
As Gorgeous George would say…

Seriously we should play cards . LOL also too.

the real john t said:
Well like I said, Gordo would love to know all about me. With his expert PI skills he could probably find out exactly where I live and you 2 could sit in front of my house and drool over each other. Since you love to publish peoples names on the internet, you must be a stalker.

One love .

Nite <3

ROTFLMAO

George C said:
Let me get this straight; Glenn Beck is being accused of acting in his own self-interest!?

No, he (and others) are accused of journalism in his own interest.

Try and keep up man, it is annoying to have to keep explaining things.

Everyone watch out, they’ve been giving money to the electric company! CONSPIRACY!!!! ELECTRIC CONSPIRACY!!!

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Try and keep up man, it is annoying to have to keep explaining things

Try and keep up man , highlight , click quote.

George C said:
Try and keep up man , highlight , click quote.

Isn’t that a brilliant comeback? But what else would you expect from an idiot.

the real john t said:
Isn’t that a brilliant comeback? But what else would you expect from an idiot

Brilliant enough, since I didn’t say it . Zach Galifianakis in the movie “The Hangover” said it best , re-tard .

George C said:
since I didn’t say it .

Well it was right up there above my comment. Did someone else type it for you? Are you that dumb?

the real john t said:
Well it was right up there above my comment. Did someone else type it for you? Are you that dumb?

Re-tard.

George C says:

Bonnie_Mazel said:
As Gorgeous George would say…

Seriously we should play cards . LOL also too.

Yo George, Put a shirt on…. and I will only play card with you if Jerry was there.

Eliane B said:
Yo George, Put a shirt on…. and I will only play card with you if Jerry was there.

I’m not playing if john t is going to play :

the real john t said:
Yeah I know where it is. If you don’t remember, you were in a public restroom bent over begging someone to shove something up your ass. So I gave a guy with gloves on a baseball and he shoved it up your ass. You moaned and had multiple orgasims. It was quite comical. Don’t worry, you can keep the baseball, I don’t want it back.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:L94vISbcM4sJ:www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-oreilly-has-gentlemans-disagreement-on-iranian-threat-with-cair-representative/+%22the+real+john+t+%22+mediaite+baseball+men's+room&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk

George C said:
I’m not playing if john t is going to play :

What’s the problem little boy, did I hurt your feelings? Does that mean we’re not friends anymore?

the real john t said:
What’s the problem little boy, did I hurt your feelings?

No. That would mean I had something invested in this . Have fun dreaming of Bats and Balls the real john t.
Elaine B/ Geroge/ Bonnie_Mazel , if you hear john t say Batter up …….RUN ! LOL

Hey Georgie…. John T doesn’t scary me… I have been know to hit a few home runs all on my own. Oh, and put a shirt on.

Eliane B said:
Hey Georgie…. John T doesn’t scary me… I have been know to hit a few home runs all on my own. Oh, and put a shirt on.

If you lived in the Ukraine would you still think that comment was so brilliant? Know what I mean ?

George C said:
Have fun dreaming of Bats and Balls

Why didn’t you C&P what started that conversation?

” The Realer John T says:
October 26, 2010 at 1:39 am
5 3
the real john t said:
Nice comment IDIOT! I-D-I-O-T

Have u seen ma’ baseball ?”

Or are you the “Realer John T” also?

Eliane B said:
Hey Georgie…. John T doesn’t scary me… I have been know to hit a few home runs all on my own. Oh, and put a shirt on.

Good for you , also too . You seem to have that whole LGBT /gender ambiguity thing going on, that the real john t could really go for . You’ve got the bat and balls it seems , the real john t has the gloves, and Ellen says that it gets better ! Mazel Tov !!!!

Good Grief,the Idiot Zombie has risen from the dead and reared its ugly head. Give the moron a lobotomy and quick!

Go away Alan Grayson…just go the hell away!!!

George C said:
You seem to have that whole LGBT /gender ambiguity thing going on,

OH! Not homophobic are you? You seem to have a problem. Maybe you should seek mental help.

the real john t said:
Have u seen ma’ baseball ?”

And you said :

the real john t said:
Yeah I know where it is. If you don’t remember, you were in a public restroom bent over begging someone to shove something up your ass. So I gave a guy with gloves on a baseball and he shoved it up your ass. You moaned and had multiple orgasims. It was quite comical. Don’t worry, you can keep the baseball, I don’t want it back.

Yeah . I don’t see a way to put a very postive spin on that . Of all the possible things you could have said ,that what ooozed out of your fingers . Weird .

the real john t said:
OH! Not homophobic are you? You seem to have a problem. Maybe you should seek mental help.

the real john t said:
Yeah I know where it is. If you don’t remember, you were in a public restroom bent over begging someone to shove something up your ass. So I gave a guy with gloves on a baseball and he shoved it up your ass. You moaned and had multiple orgasims. It was quite comical. Don’t worry, you can keep the baseball, I don’t want it back.

Really ?

Hey George C, don’t live in a glass house if you’re going to throw stones, HYPOCRITE.

the real john t said:
Hey George C, don’t live in a glass house if you’re going to throw stones, HYPOCRITE

Misser john , we need more Lemon Pledge .

George C said:
Misser john , we need more Lemon Pledge .

Why is your butt chapped?

George C said:
Misser john , we need more Lemon Pledge .

Plus Georgie, if you clean glass with Lemon Pledge, you are an idiot.

the real john t said:
Why is your butt chapped?

the real john t said:
Yeah I know where it is. If you don’t remember, you were in a public restroom bent over begging someone to shove something up your ass. So I gave a guy with gloves on a baseball and he shoved it up your ass. You moaned and had multiple orgasims. It was quite comical. Don’t worry, you can keep the baseball, I don’t want it back.?

Again , Really ?

the real john t said:
Plus Georgie, if you clean glass with Lemon Pledge, you are an idiot.

Noooo Noooo ..I no can clean .

George C said:
..I no can clean .

That’s okay Georgie I’m done coversing with you anyway. You’re just too stupid to converse with. Your mommy needs to put your jammies on you and put you to bed.

the real john t said:
That’s okay Georgie I’m done coversing with you anyway. You’re just too stupid to converse with. Your mommy needs to put your jammies on you and put you to bed.

No …No… I have no money .

Alan Grayson–skunk feces with a pulse.

the real john t said:
That’s okay Georgie I’m done coversing with you anyway. You’re just too stupid to converse with. Your mommy needs to put your jammies on ( the ones with feet inserts in them )and put you to bed.

Eliane B said:
Hey Georgie…. John T doesn’t scary me… I have been know to hit a few home runs all on my own. Oh, and put a shirt on.

Hey George, think Elaine is jealous because your breasts are bigger than hers?

BART71 said:
Somewhere Roger Ailes is reading that, chuckling darkly and feeling the satisfaction of a job well done. The Dems can’t get out of their own way and you see them as some dark conspiratory faction. Perhaps you should keep on eye on the GOP who created the majority (although admittedly not all) of this financial mess.

Ok since you didnt get it the first time, let me spell it out for you.

Its not a ‘dark conspiracy’, you jacktard. its simple math. Follow closely:

My personal political philosophy is against an overbearing federal government.

Dems represent the party of bigger government. This is not a debatable point- This is FACT.

Therefore I inherently do not trust the Dems. What part of that is too complicated for you to understand?

Apparently you must trust Washington- I really envy you. They say ignorance is bliss right?

You must be one happy dude.

BarneyFranken said:

Dems represent the party of bigger government. This is not a debatable point- This is FACT.

the largest expansion of federal government occurred under george w. bush and the republican congress. THIS IS FACT

Fact: Liberals vote just like they drive. I’m really telling you they are parked in stupid and are slow to move forward. Here’s a scenario. Speed limit is 55 mph and these screwballs ride in a pack thus blocking all lanes so no one can pass and get down the road leaving their sorry asses behind. They continue to block all people that are advancing with the wealth and just going 40 mph and wonder why others ride so close to their bumper. They just don’t get it! Their politics are looking backwards, blocking us from moving ahead with capital and they just don’t deserve the whole road or even being behind the wheel as we look forward and moving ahead with are great nation. The REPUBLIC of THE UNITED STATES! Move forward liberals or get the crap out of the way it’s as simple as that!

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
THIS IS WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT! Democrats you have a few weeks left, a lot of you will be gone come January. Do NOT let Republicans get their way, let your final goodbye be a big fuck you to their bullshit and belief that they can simply run over people. Show them that they aren’t the majority yet!! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE!!!!!

Because the left hasn’t spent the last few years running over people. No, not at all.

Stop with the hypocrisy.

And no, the left doesn’t want to even keep tax cuts for people making less than 200K. That’s just a political play because they know the GOP won’t go along with it. That way, they don’t have to take a vote and taxes go up on EVERYONE, which is what they really want, and they even get to bonus of getting to put 100% of the blame on the Republicans.

BART71 said:
In this case the alleged 16 Billion dollars in MSNBC payola for supposed positive press toward the yet to be elected Obama was a move by the Federal Reserve Bank, whose Chairman is chosen by the President, in this case Bush.

You’ve engaged in an utterly ridiculous set-up here.

In having its pundits champion bailouts, MSNBC would NOT have had to be prescient enough to know that a Democratic president was going to be elected. They would merely lobby for bailout policy because they benefited from it… duh…. despite what they felt about other policy coming from the Bushies.

It does not follow that the Bush Administration or the Obama Administration were “paying for good press” in bailing out GE. The motives of these administrations for the bailouts have no logical bearing on MSNBC motivation to encourage policy that was beneficial to MSNBC…

Finally, my point in arguing this, is that if Grayson’s shenanigans are considered cogent (if ironic) at Mediaite, why isn’t the irony of govt bailouts that helped the very people championing them at MSNBC, worth covering?

Alan Grayson…pathetic little man looking for another 15 minutes.

Well let’s deal with actual facts.

http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/downchart_gr.php?chart=10-fed&state=US&local=

Revenue to the federal government from income taxes actual rose during most years after the tax cuts.

Revenue from the income taxes:
1999 – $1.06 Trillion
2000 – $1.2 trillion
2001 – $1.02 trillion
2002 – $1.0 trillion
2003 – $925 billion
2004 – $998 billion
2005 – $1.20 trillion
2006 – $1.397 trillion
2007 – $1.533 trillion
2008 – $1.45 trillion
2009 – $1.05 trillion
2010 – $1.09 trillion (projected)
2011 – $1.418 trillion (projected if tax cuts are extended)

Curious – how many jobs do Beck, Limbaugh, O’Reilly et al, create?

From people that work on their radio and tv shows, web sites, advertisers, merchandise, books, editors, managers, handlers, homes and cars they buy, tours they go on, charities, security details, etc.

How many people are they employing or are benefiting from their success?

“Instead of placating these people and letting them spew out onto the airwaves their lies about the Bush tax cut ever revealing the fact that they stand to gain millions, millions of dollars each year from their selfish desire to take advantage of the rest of America, let’s do this,” said Grayson. “Let’s take that money and create jobs.”

Grayson wants their money so the government can create jobs?

THEY are the ones creating jobs.

I don’t think the govt. doesn’t want that money to create jobs.

sarainitaly said:
I don’t think the govt. doesn’t want that money to create jobs.

The govt takes trillions each year…they don’t create jobs.

More Liberty said:
Well let’s deal with actual facts.

http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/downchart_gr.php?chart=10-fed&state=US&local=

Revenue to the federal government from income taxes actual rose during most years after the tax cuts.

but from the same source, the debt grew WAAAAAY faster that the revenue income

http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/downchart_gr.php?year=2000_2010&view=1&expand=&units=b&fy=fy11&chart=H0-total&bar=1&stack=1&size=1272_805&title=&state=US&color=c&local=s&show=

A great floor speech. Yes, Grayson lost his reelection bid, but the man is not a loser, not in my opinion.

There is not one single thing he says that is not true. Now, watch the righties get their shorts all in a knot about it as they spin it for their protection as Grayson says, “For the rich who creates jobs.” Okay, I chime in: Where are the damn jobs.

Warning!! It takes an open mind to agree with the message … (that also assumes those on the right have a mind that is or can be open)??

— Dan Francis (Watertown, NY)

bush tax cuts that are charging us? eyepublius

Ok, let’s tie compensation to job creation. We’ll use TARP/stimulus as the benchmark. Take it’s spending, divide by the number of jobs created, and use that.

Fox news created 1500 jobs in the last 15 years. How much is that worth?

BarneyFranken said:
My personal political philosophy is against an overbearing federal government.
Dems represent the party of bigger government. This is not a debatable point- This is FACT.
Therefore I inherently do not trust the Dems. What part of that is too complicated for you to understand?
Apparently you must trust Washington- I really envy you. They say ignorance is bliss right?
You must be one happy dude.

Thanks for the snappy attempts at insults, but if you want to be condescending, you might want to avoid loose generalities as “FACT!”

I would say given the actual reality that the greatest increase in both the size and spending ever of the federal government was under George W. Bush, and that the 3 largest expansions of the deficit in history have been Under Reagan, Bush I & Bush II (look it up…) perhaps the basis for your inherant distrust of the Dems might be better served spread across both parties. I don’t think anyone should have implicit trust in any politician, but recent history does show that the Dems have not been able to unify around any legislation or policy inititive. The GOP has, and this has created mammoth deficits (2.9 trillion in unoffset tax cuts, 2 wars, Creation of DHS, etc..) and chaos in the economy (massive deregulation especially of Financial sector and repeal of Glass Steagall, which, admittedly was done with plenty of help from Clinton.)

But again, thanks for the refreshing blast of arrogant misinformation.

Why does anyone listen to this monster who has been told he is no longer wanted anywhere. He should not even be mentioned in a program called Important. Shut the heck up old man, we have seen and heard WAY too many of your worthless words. Go hide away where no one has to hear another word from you stinking mouth. Maybe God will be good to you, which you have not done for anybody, but we know even God is good to people like you. Be sure you thank God for letting you live after all the horrible things you have said about others.

sarainitaly said:
Curious – how many jobs do Beck, Limbaugh, O’Reilly et al, create?

From people that work on their radio and tv shows, web sites, advertisers, merchandise, books, editors, managers, handlers, homes and cars they buy, tours they go on, charities, security details, etc.

How many people are they employing or are benefiting from their success?

Will that change significantly if their tax rate goes up?

wow what a bunch of clueless gits…….The GE paper purchase occurred during a Repuplican administration. All media is owned by very rich people that want to keep their money even MSNBC. Most of there shows are hosted by conservatives except for the evening. Do you think people would watch if they were Fox Jr? Every one of you is being played like a sucka. You are all intellectually worthless. Vote Republican because I’ll be rich someday…. America needs small business (true small businesses not some of the LLC’s created by the very rich to avoid taxes) to succeed to create new job growth. Yet banks don’t lend money to small businesses because they can make more money sucking off the FED teat. 2% of Americans own 50% of everything! Wrap your weak little Limbaugh worshiping brains around that.
DRC +5 OUT!

CosmosDan said:
Will that change significantly if their tax rate goes up?

perhaps they might have to fire some people….? Especially small business owners.

My point is, they employ a lot of people. And their success benefits a lot of people. I am curious how many they employ, and I think when people are in positions that employ a lot of people, I don’t understand these types of ridiculous attacks by the likes of Grayson. Yea, they are rich, but their success benefits a whole lotta people.

Alan Grayson understands what is going on.
This could have to do with my Good Capitalist or Bad Capitalist theory.
Speeding towards a financial meltdown, the Wall Street debacle surfaced from easy money, caused by low interest rates, which promoted the trading of false securities, milking the system, over productions and sale of houses, cars and all real estate in general. Alan Greenspan, not raising interest rate when he should have, may have inadvertently saved the world economies. Why? It exposed the theft, graft, corruption, mismanaged and misguided Wall Street Stock Market. This allowed legislators and regulators to reset and fine tune our financial system along with future oversight and transparency. Now we only need to deal with the problems of Bad Capitalist and Good Capitalist, helping them understand their part in keeping the world economies running smooth. We first need to ask them, are you helping with the solutions or are you part of the problems. I believe the College Frat Parties were a boost to creating more Bad Capitalist than our economies previously had to deal with. If we ask ourselves, “What is a good Capitalist and what is a Bad Capitalist?” Many would like to generalize, like most TV Anchors and Commentators, comparing Capitalism to Communist, Socialist or Kingdoms. You can only generalize with those comparisons. We can be more specific if we compare Capitalist to Capitalist. Are they Good or Bad? Again, it’s Similar to comparing Republicans to Republicans or Democrats to Democrats. You can learn more with fewer misunderstandings this way.

Capitalism is very fragile and in the past, has been abused by all the Mr. Greedy that came along, many gangsters have practiced Capitalism. Communist practice Capitalism, Kingdoms practice Capitalism.

Everyone who believes in Capitalism should be an advocate of good moral standards that can survive the criticism of everyone on earth. You are either a Good Capitalist who gives respect and honor to the civil rights of everyone except those trying to destroy you which could mean terrorist, or a Bad Capitalist who worships money to the extent of participating in activities of any nature that would be immoral, unethical or even disgusting to the point of bullying, name calling, dirty looks or dirty tricks and all of this for a dollar. Leave these tactics to immature children.

Good Capitalist are not depriving employees of decent wages and giving millions to charity to gain respect in their community. Good Capitalist don’t send jobs overseas while accepting security and first class protection from our soldiers giving their lives and limbs while Bad Capitalist send their jobs overseas instead of taking care of their sons, daughters and relatives first.

It is not hard to see, there are Good Capitalist and Bad Capitalist and that is our ONLY PROBLEM.

ganymede said:
I have never met a meaner bunch of people than the rightwingers who hang around this website.Alan Grayson is a smart cookie, even though he wasn’t re-elected, and his presentation was nothing short of brilliant.

Grayson is a 24k dumbass. Defending idiots like him is why most liberals go nuts.

taxes = our patriotic duty as citizens to a country we love & want to prosper

“RENDER UNTO CAESAR” – JESUS

why do RepubliCAN’T BAGGERS oppose the rich paying a 3% increase on income over 250k?
Why cut SS (that keeps people out of poverty) to pay the rich? Letting tax cuts for the top 2% expire on schedule will pay down the debt by $700 billion in 10yrs & is fiscally responsible.

why do pseudo-patriotic, pseudo-intellectual, pseudo-christian RepubliCAN’T BAGGERS HATE AMERICA?

Cecelia said:
And int the future, GE stands to make zillions in contracts with the govt over green energy policy…

You’ve made my point. If Grayson’s stunt can be considered cogent because it suggests that an arguable position on recession era economic policy is simply a personally motivated mercenary move, how much more can the same be said for those MSNBC pundits whose professional fortunes may have rested upon the propping up of GE…

^ WTF?

JESUS H CHRIST i’ve never seen such DUMB FUCK FALSE EQUIVALENCY IN MY LIFE.

the talking media millionaires at fox have repeated the LIE that tax cuts for the rich create jobs when under bush himself he suffered record job losses of 750k a month; TRICKLE DOWN, SUPPLY SIDE ECONOMICS DOESN’T STIMULATE JACK SHIT EXCEPT FOR THE RICH GUY’S WALLET GETTING THE BREAK.

MSNBC has some popular anchors who make NO SECRET of their liberal/dem/or progressive POV’s – BUT THEY DON’T EVER LIE – THEY DEAL IN “FACTUAL REALITY”.

FAUX ‘EWES” (fox) is the ONLY fake work who went to an APPEALS court to overturn a fair ruling of the people (THANKS JEB BUSH!) in order to LIE, DISTORT & MISREPRESENT THE ‘NEWS’

google: “Appellate Court Rules Media Can Legally Lie”

explain why you keep going back to drink from a fountain of LIES when fox is the ONLY FAKEWORK to go to an appeals court to overturn a fair ruling by the people to get the “OK” to LIE & DISTORT THE NEWS?

can you explain this matter of public record faux ‘ewes’ sheeple?

felixw said:
a news organization taking $16 billion in secret money from the government is unaffected by the actual date the loan was made. Under two years of Obama, this has been kept hidden from view, while MSNBC shills for the President. You can’t make that look okay no matter how hard you spin.

^ WTF?

ZOINKS! i’ve never seen such DUMB FUCK BAGGER BACK-ASSWARDNESS IN MY LIFE.

1) because ‘YOU’didn’t know about it doesn’t mean it’s a ‘SECRET’
2) when the $ was given when BUSH was president & you’re BLAMING ‘OBAMA” you bet your RED-NECKED BAGGER ASS the “DATE” matters.

YOUR OBAMA DERANGEMENT SYNDROME IS IN WARP OVER-DRIVE!

btimsah said:
Let me get this straight; Glenn Beck is being accused of acting in his own self-interest!? Since when is that wrong? Rush and Glenn have every right to fight against legislation that they think harms them unfairly. You designed this stupid “democracy” we have where the majority subject the minority to tyranny so enjoy it. I would prefer a constitutional republic where the government has no income tax to steal so the can divide us. Ugh. Let me know when the country collapses so we can rebuild it.

^ WTF?

YOU BAGGERS WITH YOUR SHIT FOR BRAINS ARE WORKING DUBYA’S NERVES!

LET ME EXPLAINIFY…

when your millionaire media talking heads argue for tax cuts for the rich using the LIE that they will benefit “SOCIETY” by stimulating the economy & creating jobs (WRONG BAGGER ASSHATS! BUSH HIMSELF WAS EXPERIENCING RECORD JOB LOSSES OF 750K A MONTH!) instead of saying they want the cuts because it will benefit THEIR WALLETS…

well THIS ^ is when it becomes WRONG.

and here you MORANS are defending their dishonest selfishness!

THOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS…

IT’S EASIER FOR A CAMEL TO PASS THRU THE EYE OF A NEEDLE THAN A RICH MAN ENTER HEAVEN…

gee? who said that?

BarneyFranken said:
Ok since you didnt get it the first time, let me spell it out for you.

Its not a ‘dark conspiracy’, you jacktard. its simple math. Follow closely:

My personal political philosophy is against an overbearing federal government.

Dems represent the party of bigger government. This is not a debatable point- This is FACT.

Therefore I inherently do not trust the Dems. What part of that is too complicated for you to understand?

Apparently you must trust Washington- I really envy you. They say ignorance is bliss right?

You must be one happy dude.

^ WTF?

THERE’S SHIT FOR BRAINS ALL OVER THIS DING-DANG SITE!

“Dems represent the party of bigger government. This is not a debatable point- This is FACT.”

LET ME EXPLAINIFY…

government has ALWAYS GROWN under RepubliCAN’T rule; Reagan’s “star wars” Bush’s illegal wars…

enjoy some of DUBYA’s favorite reading!

Increases in the national debt (republican spending is OOC!)
http://gvdc.googlegroups.com/web/Natl_Debt_Chart.pdf?gda=onUyu0UAAABfqwWlTlZdU3j9Z0fM6dwuPjCEDua29Ong4gJLZlwMaKSnkb4Ii_lFitJlLxZPBkAcn8WIbWh5zqeDKtDBmq67Gu1iLHeqhw4ZZRj3RjJ_-A

US Presidents and deficits
http://home.adelphi.edu/sbloch/deficits.html and
http://blogs.wsj.com.economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/