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Rep. Cantor: All Spending Cuts On The Table, Even In Cancer Research

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House Majority Leader Eric Cantor appeared on Meet the Press and was grilled by David Gregory regarding his plans for cutting the federal budget. Cantor stressed that every area of the government will be analyzed for potential spending reductions and repeatedly said “every dollar should be on the table.” However, Gregory was less than thrilled with Cantor’s lack of specifics.

Cantor also made it clear that serious spending cuts and reforms will be mandatory before Republicans consider raising the debt ceiling. When Gregory wondered whether cuts in defense spending were being considered, despite Republicans long thinking that such spending is the one area of the budget that could never be too large, Cantor replied “no one can defend the expenditure of every dollar and cent at the Pentagon.” In fact, when Gregory asked about funding for cancer research, Cantor made it clear that no area is safe from potentially being cut.

Though on the issue of entitlement spending, when Gregory, to his credit, repeatedly tried to pin down Cantor on what he actually recommends, Cantor said “we’re for an active discussion to see if we can come together and decide what we’re going to do.” With an exasperated tone, Gregory asked “how long do we need to discuss?” A little less conversation, and a little more action is likely what many Tea Party supporters thought they would get with a new Republican majority, but we will have to wait and see when Cantor is ready to conclude the “active discussion.”

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  • valkyrie101

    Lack of specifics? That’s odd.

  • zumpano

    ATTENTION EVERYONE UNDER 54: Cantor wants you to start facing the fact that GOP is going to take away your Social Security.

    HILARIOUS INTERVIEW

  • zumpano

    LOL @ Cantor squirming at the Birther questions

    HILARIOUS

  • zumpano

    LOL @ Cantor squirming at the Birther questions

    TOO FUNNY

  • Color Me Badd

    Cut defense in half and we would still have the largest standing army in the world many times over. This is a joke until you really get serious about cutting spending and slash Defense.

    Cantor says dont worry over 55 year old people who vote for us we aren’t touching your SS we are going after those younger people who don’t vote as much and a lot of them vote Dem.

    This guy is not serious about deficit reduction.

  • Color Me Badd

    valkyrie101 said:
    Lack of specifics? That’s odd.

    I know the Republicans can usually always give specific examples of what they are going to cut right?? Oh yeah wait they never do and if they do manage to mention something it is some program that would end up slashing 500 million or some really small number.

    NEWSFLASH The Republicans are not serious about cutting spending, they never have been and they never will be.

    Until you mention defense spending, this conversation is not serious and a waste of our nation’s time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ed-Lascar/100000889579338 Ed Lascar

    That is stretching the answer. If is on the table means to vet the program in question. Approve it or not.

  • BatBoy

    “Rep. Cantor: All Spending Cuts On The Table”

    As well they should.

  • murf

    Color Me Badd said:
    I know the Republicans can usually always give specific examples of what they are going to cut right?? Oh yeah wait they never do and if they do manage to mention something it is some program that would end up slashing 500 million or some really small number.

    NEWSFLASH The Republicans are not serious about cutting spending, they never have been and they never will be.

    Until you mention defense spending, this conversation is not serious and a waste of our nation’s time.

    Olbermann is off the air ,where are you going turn to for you talking points ?

  • ROCKSTEADY

    But he did say “Let me be clear”.Then preceeded to not answer the questions.Politicians are very good at dancing around issues.Its all part of the job description in politics.

  • Seeing 2012 From My Window

    BOX of ROX says:

    But he did say “Let me be clear”.

    Wait, I thought Obama had copyrighted that phrase?

  • zumpano

    LOL @ Comments

    You can only bring up OLBERMANN when we are talking about CANTOR?

    LOL

    KEEP ON TOPIC

    HILARIOUS

  • zumpano

    Just watch the interview.

    NO ANSWER to the questions

    WHY DID HE EVEN BOTHER

    FUNNIER THAN SNL

    HILARIOUS INTERVIEW

  • zumpano

    Only thing funnier is the New Hampshire GOP Straw Poll they showed

    HILARIOUS

  • Seeing 2012 From My Window

    Zumpano, might I suggest a switch to decaff?

  • Seeing 2012 From My Window

    Word on the street is that Obama will be calling for MORE spending in the SOTU address. Now that sounds like a winning strategy!

  • zumpano

    Meet The Press was just TOO FUNNY

    I’m watching Fox News Live now and the MCCONNELL IS ON

    It’s like I just finished SNL and now MADTV is on

    Let’s see if MITCH can be as funny as his comPATRIOT CANTOR

  • zumpano

    LOL MCCONNELL HAS NO SPECIFICS EITHER

    Who woulda thunk?

    TOOOOOOOO FUNNY

    These Sunday shows are such a WASTE OF TIME for these politicians when they have NO ANSWERS to the questions

    If I want to watch Bob and Weave: Football is on later

    But as far as “the art of alot of nothing”: the GOP was on FULL DISPLAY on the Sunday Shows

    SOOOOOOOOO FUNNY

  • Color Me Badd

    murf said:
    Olbermann is off the air ,where are you going turn to for you talking points ?

    I write my own talking points because I read constantly and I don’t watch cable news aside from the sideshow aspect of it that Mediaite is all about. Try reading and refrain from watching corporate media, you might be able to write your own talking points as well. It isn’t hard when you aggregate as many news outlets as you can, you usually can see the truth buried in there somewhere. Just make an effort, don’t be lazy.

  • DonnaK

    Mr. Cantor will never be accused of giving a straight answer. This is one of the few times I’ve seen him interviewed by himself, I’ve got to say he is not very impressive, he seems to like to appear in front of the camera, but there is no there–there!! He seems to be in over his head!!

  • zumpano

    MEDIAITE: Will you start a McConnell on FNL thread already?

    That stuff was hilarious this morning too!!

    Not as funny as Cantor, but just as ILLUMINATING

  • ROCKSTEADY

    zumpano said:
    GOP Straw Poll

    LOL I noticed not much was said about that here myself.

    Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
    phrase?

    Was said for your benieft.Glad you noticed.

  • xtranormal

    Color Me Badd said:
    I write my own talking points because I read constantly and I don’t watch cable news aside from the sideshow aspect of it that Mediaite is all about. Try reading and refrain from watching corporate media, you might be able to write your own talking points as well. It isn’t hard when you aggregate as many news outlets as you can, you usually can see the truth buried in there somewhere. Just make an effort, don’t be lazy.

    That is what The View And The Racheal Maddow told me .

  • jooce81

    The estimated 2010 Defense budget was ” *$963.7 billion (+12.7%) – Department of Defense (including Overseas Contingency Operations)” You should be able to easily shave 400 BILLION from that, that’s less than 50%, the next biggest defense budget is China at under 100billion. I’m sorry but if we cannot keep this country safe with an “estimated” defense budget of 563 billion (and some change) then we have bigger issues.

  • ImNotBlue

    Wait, you mean Cantor couldn’t give sprcifics BEFORE the review was complete?

    Who does thats?! Wait for answers before coming up with a new plan?!

    No, Cantor… we must do stuff FIRST, then determine if it works… not figure if it will work before hand!

    Didn’t you learn anything from Nancy? We’ve got to pass the bill first, before we can see what’s inside! Make the cuts first, then firgure out where things can be cut! Duh!

    /sarcasm

  • Color Me Badd

    Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
    Word on the street is that Obama will be calling for MORE spending in the SOTU address. Now that sounds like a winning strategy!

    Maybe you aren’t paying attention but the President just had the best 2 weeks of his Presidency, a Republican said that today on ABC and it is totally true. Part of the reason he is doing so well is he is giving the Republicans everything they want, tax cuts for the rich sure no prob. Oh you want less regulation on wall street, okay check. hey you want even more DLC/Wall Street whores running my econ. team, no problem Republicans.

    The problem is the average voting republican, like yourself is worried about if the President is some secret Muslim, Marxist, Nazi, Socialist, from Kenya, when the Republican elected leaders are talking the same crazy shit in public but behind the scenes are celebrating that the President is finally seeing the Republican vision is the right vision for American.

    Dick Cheney even said this week that he pretty much loves what Obama is doing on foreign policy.

    Do you even pay attention past the Fox News food fight where you will never get any real news just tabloid bullshit that is meaningless?

    You teabags are pretty simple, huh?

  • Seeing 2012 From My Window

    BOX of ROX, It’s flattering that you write your comments with me in mind.

    Color me Ignorant, any president that can’t get a bump out of a national tragedy and the SOTU has no business even being president. It isn’t at all surprising.

  • Color Me Badd

    The next 2 years the primary goal of the Obama adminstration is to get reelected. Right now he just kicked the Republican nominees ass whoever it turns out to be. I just hope you know there is little to no chance of Obama losing reelection unless Larry Sinclair has videotape.

  • nice_thought

    Somebody is not going to see Nancy Reagan anytime soon.

  • Color Me Badd

    Well I guess you better hope no more right wing extremists make bombs and plant them at MLK parade sites then.

  • Seeing 2012 From My Window

    Could you be anymore off topic, Color me Ignorant?

  • zumpano

    I wonder what Glenn Beck and his chalkboard think of Cantor…hmmmm

  • timzank

    Color Me Badd said:
    Well I guess you better hope no more right wing extremists make bombs and plant them at MLK parade sites then.

    What’s the name of the person that planted that bomb?

  • zumpano

    CANTOR IS FUNNIER THAN FRED ARMISEN

    WATCH THAT INTERVIEW

    SOOOOOOOOOOOO FUNNY

    HE SQUIRMED SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUNNY DURING BIRTHER QUESTIONS

  • ROCKSTEADY

    Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
    you write your comments

    Just that one.Don’t flatter yourself.

  • Color Me Badd

    timzank said:
    What’s the name of the person that planted that bomb?

    Hmmm I don’t know maybe it was the New Black Panthers, huh?

    http://blackchristiannews.com/news/2011/01/spokane-wa-rattled-by-backpack-bomb-planted-at-mlk-parade.htmlThe Spokane region and adjacent northern Idaho have had numerous incidents of anti-government and white supremacist activity during the past three decades.

    The most visible was by the Aryan Nations, whose leader Richard Butler gathered racists and anti-Semites at his compound for more than two decades. Butler went bankrupt, lost the compound in a civil lawsuit in 2000 and died in 2004.

    In 1996, white supremacists placed a pipe bomb outside City Hall in Spokane. The bomb exploded, blowing out a window and sending nails and screws across the street.

    In December, a man in Hayden, Idaho, built a snowman on his front lawn shaped like a member of the Ku Klux Klan holding a noose. The man knocked the pointy-headed snowman down after getting a visit from sheriff’s deputies.

  • zumpano

    SARAH PALIN IS THE REAL VICTIM OF THE ATTEMPTED SPOKANE MLK PARADE PIPE BOMB

    DONT BLAME THE BECKSTER!!!!!!!!

  • ROCKSTEADY

    Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
    Color me Ignorant

    Again, do not flatter yourself.

  • ImNotBlue

    @ Badd

    So Obama’s numbers go up because he’s taken a step to the right… and you think that helps the left, how? Doesn’t that show that your left-wing policies aren’t popular in this country, and to be re-elected, he has to move away from them?

    Why would you be proud of the right winning the debate?

  • timzank

    Color Me Badd said:
    Hmmm I don’t know maybe it was the New Black Panthers, huh? http://blackchristiannews.com/news/2011/01/spokane-wa-rattled-by-backpack-bomb-planted-at-mlk-parade.htmlThe Spokane region and adjacent northern Idaho have had numerous incidents of anti-government and white supremacist activity during the past three decades. The most visible was by the Aryan Nations, whose leader Richard Butler gathered racists and anti-Semites at his compound for more than two decades. Butler went bankrupt, lost the compound in a civil lawsuit in 2000 and died in 2004. In 1996, white supremacists placed a pipe bomb outside City Hall in Spokane. The bomb exploded, blowing out a window and sending nails and screws across the street. In December, a man in Hayden, Idaho, built a snowman on his front lawn shaped like a member of the Ku Klux Klan holding a noose. The man knocked the pointy-headed snowman down after getting a visit from sheriff’s deputies.

    Again, What is the name of the person that planted the bomb??

  • valkyrie101

    Color Me Badd said:
    NEWSFLASH The Republicans are not serious about cutting spending, they never have been and they never will be.

    Any business that is having trouble making a profit considers cutting expenses. It is important to do that. But the solution that is primarily used, is not cutting expenses, but increasing sales and gross income. And that is how the budget deficit needs to be addressed. Increase income, by taxing those who are accumulating all the money.

  • ProgLib

    His first cut should be to the BS he’s spewing. They won’t cut diddly squat because he knows whatever they target will cost them votes in 2012. If anything it’ll be a tiny sliver off foreign aid since they can’t vote anyway. If their total savings on stuff they cut is even 25% of the cost of the Bush Tax Cut extension I’ll eat my hat.

  • Color Me Badd

    ImNotBlue said:
    @ Badd

    So Obama’s numbers go up because he’s taken a step to the right… and you think that helps the left, how? Doesn’t that show that your left-wing policies aren’t popular in this country, and to be re-elected, he has to move away from them?

    Why would you be proud of the right winning the debate?

    It doesn’t help the left at all, I am trying to explain what Obama is consciously doing to these teabags, who don’t seem to understand that Obama is in the process of moving way to the right to secure his reelection. Clinton did it after he got his clock cleaned in 94 and it was a major sucess, He beat Dole in a landslide and Newt Gingrich was pretty much kicked out of the Republican Party.

    I don’t support Obama’s moves to the right at all and I basically think he is a Republican at this point. I wonder if Obama ever thinks about what the Republicans finally did to Clinton after he won relection, they will be furiously looking for Obama’s Monica, Car thief Darrell Issa is already on the job.

  • zumpano

    yeah timzank

    IF THEY HAVEN”T CAUGHT THE BOMBER: HE MUST NOT EXIST

    2+2=?

  • Color Me Badd

    timzank said:
    Again, What is the name of the person that planted the bomb??

    You better pray to your teabaggin Jesus no one ever finds out the name of the person who plants the bomb.

  • timzank

    ProgLib said:
    His first cut should be to the BS he’s spewing. They won’t cut diddly squat because he knows whatever they target will cost them votes in 2012. If anything it’ll be a tiny sliver off foreign aid since they can’t vote anyway. If their total savings on stuff they cut is even 25% of the cost of the Bush Tax Cut extension I’ll eat my hat.

    I know you guys don’t get it yet, but you will. If Republicans AND Democrats don’t cut spending in real significant terms, it won’t matter if you’re a Dem or a Repub.

    Both party’s are guilty of spending waaaaaaaay too much and fucking up the entire system and whether they are a Dem or a Repub, the chances of holding on to office are now growing pretty slim if they don’t stop spending and curtail entitlements.
    Trust me, if Repubs don’t follow through, they will be primaried and voted out, dems are a little safer cuz 3/4 of their voters are on government assistance or dead.

  • Color Me Badd

    Color Me Badd said:
    You better pray to your teabaggin Jesus no one ever finds out the name of the person who plants the bomb.

    Because everyone is aware of how stormfront.org have started doing tea parties.

  • timzank

    Color Me Badd said:
    You better pray to your teabaggin Jesus no one ever finds out the name of the person who plants the bomb.

    What if it turns out to be someone like Loughner? Who will you blame then?

  • timzank

    zumpano said:
    yeah timzank IF THEY HAVEN”T CAUGHT THE BOMBER: HE MUST NOT EXIST 2+2=?

    If they haven’t caught the person, then you can’t blame anyone yet, did Tucson teach you nothing?

  • BatBoy

    Color Me Badd said:
    You better pray to your teabaggin Jesus no one ever finds out the name of the person who plants the bomb.

    Please tell us that your NICE,SMART, Republican girlfriend has dumped your ass!

  • ImNotBlue

    @ Badd

    So Obama moves right, gets more support, you dislike… and yet, you still think the Tea Party is losing?

    If this helps his re-election, he’ll stay right (like Clinton). And then, even if the Republican loses, does that essentially mean the Tea Party still wins, because they’ve dragged Obama away from his base and left-wing ambitions?

    You appear to be taunting your own loss.

  • Color Me Badd

    timzank said:
    What if it turns out to be someone like Loughner? Who will you blame then?

    I am no detective but I might have some questions for Northwest Front, 2 of their members are now in prison for similar bombings. Just hope this isn’t the case for the tea parties sake.

    Loughner had no tea party ties, but the white supremist movement in the past couple of years have been injecting themselves in tea party politics in order to recruit new members which has been very successful.

    If the Northwest Front is involved you can be willing to be there are some pretty intrepid reporters, maybe even some that work for Rachel Maddow who will find the link.

  • Seeing 2012 From My Window

    Color me Ignorant says:

    It doesn’t help the left at all, I am trying to explain what Obama is consciously doing to these teabags, who don’t seem to understand that Obama is in the process of moving way to the right to secure his reelection

    So you’re saying he’s doing whatever is necessary to get re-elected and not abiding by his principles. IMB is right, to get his numbers up, he’s having to act somewhat like a Republican. Which means that is what the American people want. The fact that you think that is a good think isn’t surprising.

  • BatBoy

    Color Me Badd said:
    stormfront.org have started doing tea parties

    Wrong Bunky, these folks are NOT allowed in the Tea Party! Nice try though!

  • Color Me Badd

    ImNotBlue said:
    @ Badd

    So Obama moves right, gets more support, you dislike… and yet, you still think the Tea Party is losing?

    If this helps his re-election, he’ll stay right (like Clinton). And then, even if the Republican loses, does that essentially mean the Tea Party still wins, because they’ve dragged Obama away from his base and left-wing ambitions?

    You appear to be taunting your own loss.

    You make the unfortunate assumption that I am an Obama supporter, I am not. I have never been one.

  • Color Me Badd

    You also make the assumption that Obama was ever a liberal he has never been one. Obama didn’t really move that much to the right, his policies are very conservative.

  • Seeing 2012 From My Window

    Color me Ignorant says:

    You make the unfortunate assumption that I am an Obama supporter, I am not. I have never been one.

    HAHA, you’re funny, but your comments say otherwise.

  • Color Me Badd

    Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
    Color me Ignorant says:

    It doesn’t help the left at all, I am trying to explain what Obama is consciously doing to these teabags, who don’t seem to understand that Obama is in the process of moving way to the right to secure his reelection

    So you’re saying he’s doing whatever is necessary to get re-elected and not abiding by his principles. IMB is right, to get his numbers up, he’s having to act somewhat like a Republican. Which means that is what the American people want. The fact that you think that is a good think isn’t surprising.

    I think you are under the impression that a politicans primary goal is not to get reelected, but to help the people. That is pretty silly.

  • Color Me Badd

    Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
    Color me Ignorant says:

    You make the unfortunate assumption that I am an Obama supporter, I am not. I have never been one.

    HAHA, you’re funny, but your comments say otherwise.

    It’s not funny at all, your concept of politics is simple, you think if you are a liberal then you must automatically love Obama, I don’t. There are somethings he does I like, he is way better than George W. Bush or John McCain but so what he is still a big business wall street politican who wears the Liberal uniform but governs as a right leaning centrist. I can’t stand centrists, they are worse than teabags

  • Seeing 2012 From My Window

    Color me Ignorant says:

    I think you are under the impression that a politicans primary goal is not to get reelected, but to help the people. That is pretty silly.

    HAHA, nice, a moment of honesty. I love it when that happens.

  • Color Me Badd

    BatBoy said:
    Wrong Bunky, these folks are NOT allowed in the Tea Party! Nice try though!

    Oh really?

    http://ladylibertyslamp.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/neo-nazis-from-stormfront-going-to-the-912-tea-party-in-dc/

    Hey look there is also a really awesome photo of Ron Paul (King Teabag) with the owner of Stormfront.org

    I wish the media would do its job once in awhile so I didnt have to.

  • Color Me Badd

    Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
    Color me Ignorant says:

    I think you are under the impression that a politicans primary goal is not to get reelected, but to help the people. That is pretty silly.

    HAHA, nice, a moment of honesty. I love it when that happens.

    I am always honest, you assume that I think Obama is some saviour/messiah coming to give free stuff to all the poor people. I know that Obama is a politician and wants to be reelected like every other pol.

  • ImNotBlue

    @ Badd

    So you openly admit that you’re WAY out of the mainstream.

    Exactly what do you believe on the key issues?

  • Color Me Badd

    ImNotBlue said:
    @ Badd

    So you openly admit that you’re WAY out of the mainstream.

    Exactly what do you believe on the key issues?

    Of course I admit it.

  • timzank

    Color Me Badd said:
    Oh really? http://ladylibertyslamp.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/neo-nazis-from-stormfront-going-to-the-912-tea-party-in-dc/ Hey look there is also a really awesome photo of Ron Paul (King Teabag) with the owner of Stormfront.org I wish the media would do its job once in awhile so I didnt have to.

    That’s hilarious, a blog post by a third party announcing another group is planning on attending something that hadn’t even happened yet (from 2009 no less)…

    Yeah, that’s reporting alright.

  • notsofast

    Why should anything be excluded? I’m for raising the retirement age for those currently in their 40s- Many are doing that already.

    “Survey: 39% to work past retirement age because of need”
    By Robert Steyer
    December 8, 2010, 12:01 AM ET

    Thirty-nine percent of middle-class Americans will work past retirement age because of financial need, while another 33% will do so out of desire, according to a new survey by Wells Fargo.

    Read more: http://www.pionline.com/article/20101208/REG/101209909#ixzz1BszUbKTM

    Also defense spending can be cut – the USA spends $663 billion a year on defense, compared to $98 billion a year for the 2nd highest defense spending country , China.

    As a matter of fact, the USA spends as much as the other 18 top defense spending countries COMBINED!

    Yes, we should have a strong defense, but spending $663 billion?

  • timzank

    ImNotBlue said:
    @ Badd So you openly admit that you’re WAY out of the mainstream. Exactly what do you believe on the key issues?

    Odds are good Color Me Retarded has no specific issues, but rather the standard fall back position of simply hating anything offered by a conservative. Sounds like the usual crap, as long as it appears to hurt rich folks, destroys corporations, tears apart families with two parents, kills babies, pays for all poor peoples’ expenses, and generally hurts the country, he’s all for it!!

    Leftist Nirvana.

  • notsofast

    Color Me Badd said:
    your concept of politics is simple, you think if you are a liberal then you must automatically love Obama, I don’t.

    Who said that? People have been openly discussing how the far left attacks BHO for some time.- See KO, Maher, Krugman, RM, etc.

  • Nachi

    This guy & his family should be afflicted with the worst diseases known to mankind. And cast out on the street should he/they seek treatment of any kind.

  • timzank

    notsofast said:
    Yes, we should have a strong defense, but spending $663 billion?

    We could cut defense spending in half and not ever risk safety, I’m a hawk and a conservative and I have noooo problem taking a hatchet to the defense budget. I’m also 52 and don’t expect (nor did I ever) to receive social security, I’d be more than happy with raising the age to 75 and cutting the benefits in half.

  • timzank

    Nachi said:
    This guy & his family should be afflicted with the worst diseases known to mankind. And cast out on the street should he/they seek treatment of any kind.

    Do you work for NPR? Seems like I’ve heard that wish before.

  • notsofast

    Nachi said:
    This guy & his family should be afflicted with the worst diseases known to mankind. And cast out on the street should he/they seek treatment of any kind.

    You sir, are a POS.

  • Seeing 2012 From My Window

    Nachi says:
    This guy & his family should be afflicted with the worst diseases known to mankind. And cast out on the street should he/they seek treatment of any kind.

    PLEASE keep talking.

  • Color Me Badd

    timzank said:
    Odds are good Color Me Retarded has no specific issues, but rather the standard fall back position of simply hating anything offered by a conservative. Sounds like the usual crap, as long as it appears to hurt rich folks, destroys corporations, tears apart families with two parents, kills babies, pays for all poor peoples’ expenses, and generally hurts the country, he’s all for it!!

    Leftist Nirvana.

    30 years of conservative rule and this is where we are. It is obvious that Laffer/Stockman model of economic theory has been a failure, Stockman has been screaming as much for years now. Serious economists will tell you that “voodoo econ.” is a recipe for failure and eventually class unrest, which is what we are seeing the beginnings of now. Of course the White House position is to double down on tax cuts for the top two percent which we are of course borrowing from China.

    When you people decide to get serious about real changes in this country you will have my full support. If you want to talk about shit like abortion and gay marriage and culture issues that I could care less about, then go ahead but I wont take anything you say seriously.

    If your primary goal is to protect wealth inequality in this country and shill for corporations you are either in the top 2% of wealth earners in this country and I can’t fault you for wanting to protect your interests, that is what we all do essentially. But if you are not in the top 2% and you are continuing to protect the rights of corporations over human beings then you are my enemy and I will see you on the “battlefield”.

  • Color Me Badd

    timzank said:
    We could cut defense spending in half and not ever risk safety, I’m a hawk and a conservative and I have noooo problem taking a hatchet to the defense budget. I’m also 52 and don’t expect (nor did I ever) to receive social security, I’d be more than happy with raising the age to 75 and cutting the benefits in half.

    Why are you sick? Are you going to die soon and you wont see your benefits or are you one of those Fox News watchers who thinks SS is ? Because you know it has a 2.5 trillion dollar surplus right?

    I am sure you also know that even if nothing is done to amend the system, the fund will pay out 100 percent of its benefits until 2050 and will pay 90% for the next 30 years after that, right?

    Of course you know that you watch Fox.

  • timzank

    Color Me Badd said:
    If your primary goal is to protect wealth inequality in this country

    The part of the equation you guys never seem to be able to explain is, who are we all gonna work for when you get rid of those “evil” corporations?

  • timzank

    Color Me Badd said:
    Why are you sick? Are you going to die soon and you wont see your benefits or are you one of those Fox News watchers who thinks SS is ? Because you know it has a 2.5 trillion dollar surplus right? I am sure you also know that even if nothing is done to amend the system, the fund will pay out 100 percent of its benefits until 2050 and will pay 90% for the next 30 years after that, right? Of course you know that you watch Fox.

    Fox has nothing to do with my ability, and your obvious inability to understand 2+2=4 and always will. All the artful accounting in the world won’t change the mathematics of a ponzi scheme. We’re broke and you think we can just print money?

  • Color Me Badd

    timzank said:
    Fox has nothing to do with my ability, and your obvious inability to understand 2+2=4 and always will. All the artful accounting in the world won’t change the mathematics of a ponzi scheme. We’re broke and you think we can just print money?

    I just laid out some facts about the SS Trust and you didn’t acknowledge any of it. Are you denying that there is a 2.5 Trillion dollar surplus in the SS Fund? yes or no?

  • Color Me Badd

    timzank said:
    The part of the equation you guys never seem to be able to explain is, who are we all gonna work for when you get rid of those “evil” corporations?

    The part of the equation you guys never seem to be able to explain is when the CEO of a corporation makes 250 times his or her’s average employee and also pays a lower tax rate than the guy in the mailroom, at what point do you guys say enough is enough.

    You do realize no matter how hard you work and how much you shill for big business and the rich you will never be one of them. You do realize the average person has a better chance of getting hit by lightning twice than being in the top 2 percent of wealth earners right?

    Does it make you feel better to live with the false hope that you are one of them, or you will be? You wont.

  • valkyrie101

    timzank said:
    What if it turns out to be someone like Loughner? Who will you blame then?

    Whoever left a gun in the hand of Loughner, after he psyched out at his college? Our system of regulation should include the ability to immediately check any complaint of irrational or threatening behavior against a national data base of gun owners, and have law enforcement out to the guy’s home within hours.

  • Color Me Badd

    “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” The 44th President of the United States Barack Hussein Obama

  • Color Me Badd

    timzank said:
    Fox has nothing to do with my ability, and your obvious inability to understand 2+2=4 and always will. All the artful accounting in the world won’t change the mathematics of a ponzi scheme. We’re broke and you think we can just print money?

    What the fuck do you mean we just can’t print money. THEY DO THAT ALL THE TIME. Do you even know what QE2 is?

  • pakattak

    valkyrie101 said:
    Whoever left a gun in the hand of Loughner, after he psyched out at his college? Our system of regulation should include the ability to immediately check any complaint of irrational or threatening behavior against a national data base of gun owners, and have law enforcement out to the guy’s home within hours.

    b-b-b-b-but then… that would be BIG GOVERNMENT clamping down on our GOD GIVEN RIGHTS! DERR DERRRR

  • valkyrie101

    Color Me Badd said:
    “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” The 44th President of the United States Barack Hussein Obama

    I thought he was a wimp?

  • Color Me Badd

    valkyrie101 said:
    I thought he was a wimp?

    Nope he is like Charles Bronson in Death Wish 3, he is going against the evil street gang leader (Boehner). Obama will win.

  • The Count

    AH AH AH AH AH !

  • Pablo

    Color Me Badd said:
    The part of the equation you guys never seem to be able to explain is when the CEO of a corporation makes 250 times his or her’s average employee and also pays a lower tax rate than the guy in the mailroom, at what point do you guys say enough is enough.

    You do realize no matter how hard you work and how much you shill for big business and the rich you will never be one of them. You do realize the average person has a better chance of getting hit by lightning twice than being in the top 2 percent of wealth earners right?

    Does it make you feel better to live with the false hope that you are one of them, or you will be? You wont.

    I don’t spend my life being envious of the success of others. My focus is on my goals, and I have no reason to think that I won’t attain them. You should try it, and hold yourself responsible for your own circumstances. It’s very liberating.

  • Pablo

    Color Me Badd said:
    Are you denying that there is a 2.5 Trillion dollar surplus in the SS Fund? yes or no?

    Are you suggesting that this “surplus” is in cash? No, sweetie, it’s in IOU’s.

  • Pablo

    valkyrie101 said:
    Whoever left a gun in the hand of Loughner, after he psyched out at his college? Our system of regulation should include the ability to immediately check any complaint of irrational or threatening behavior against a national data base of gun owners, and have law enforcement out to the guy’s home within hours.

    I’m not fully in agreement with that, but it’s close enough for a thumbs up. We definitely need to do a better job of identifying the unhinged and keeping firearms out of their hands, and our wake up call should have been John Hinckley.

  • zumpano

    Every Commenter in the world can leave their own idea about cutting spending on this thread

    BUT,

    WATCH YOUR LEADER: CANTOR

    HE DOES NOT OFFER THESE IDEAS

    betcha can guess why

    HILARIOUS

  • timzank

    Color Me Badd said:
    The part of the equation you guys never seem to be able to explain is when the CEO of a corporation makes 250 times his or her’s average employee and also pays a lower tax rate than the guy in the mailroom, at what point do you guys say enough is enough. You do realize no matter how hard you work and how much you shill for big business and the rich you will never be one of them. You do realize the average person has a better chance of getting hit by lightning twice than being in the top 2 percent of wealth earners right? Does it make you feel better to live with the false hope that you are one of them, or you will be? You wont.

    I worked for a very wise man years ago and at the time he was the General Manager and I was the Sales Manager. Due to bonus structure, I actually made more than him that year, his reponse was to thank me and point out, he wouldn’t have made what HE did (albeit less than me) if NOT for me. Point is, rich people lift all of us up, taking their wealth away is stealing, plain and simple. Get off your ass and make something of yourself and your life and you won’t feel inadequate or jealous anymore.

  • Socialist

    CUT the military spending and The wars. Half of our budget goes into sending our troops overseas and just letting them die in unnecessary wars.

  • PC Kryptonite

    It sure doesn’t take long here for comments to get off topic from budget cuts to guns?

    I would like to see the federal government cut by a third in five years, nobody’s fooling themselves by thinking this process can be painless, weaning off the tit of the government sow will be akin to kicking a heroin addiction cold turkey but it has to be done!

    Whole government departments need to be given the Jonah toss, the issue of government salaries, pensions and benefits needs to be scaled back slightly under private-sector levels, this includes elected officials. Our country is bankrupt! Our enemies hold the pink slip our manufacturing base is virtually nonexistent.

    Hard choices and sacrifices need to be made, Americans have done it before but our national morality was better than because now we are saddled with multi-generations of Americans who are “me first” with an entitlement mentality. Nope, it’s not going to be easy and you will thank from all the media wailing and gnashing of teeth that we are crucifying children on every tree down main street, but if we don’t aggressively implement this reduction the piper will without warning appear on our doorstep to repo our lives as we know it.

    The time for partisan squabbling is over you’re in one of two camps either you understand the necessity of restoring our constitutional limited government republic and support that all the way or you support our continued road to socialism and eventual fiscal ruin, we can’t afford these vast government programs like Obamacare as well as Bush’s Medicare part D. they and many others need to be repealed and nobody’s extraconstitutional ox is sacred, the warnings of our founders have been ignored far too long.

    “We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our selection between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat in our drink, in our necessities and comforts, in our labors and in our amusements, for our callings and our creeds…our people.. must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live.. We have not time to think, no means of calling the mis-managers to account, but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow suffers. Our landholders, too…retaining indeed the title and stewardship of estates called theirs, but held really in trust for the treasury, must…be contented with penury, obscurity and exile.. private fortunes are destroyed by public as well as by private extravagance.

    “This is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle becomes a precedent for a second; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of society is reduced to mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering… And the fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression.” Thomas Jefferson

  • timzank

    Pablo said:
    Are you suggesting that this “surplus” is in cash? No, sweetie, it’s in IOU’s.

    She/It thinks it’s real money, in a real acct.

  • Socialist

    PC Kryptonite said:
    The time for partisan squabbling is over you’re in one of two camps either you understand the necessity of restoring our constitutional limited government republic and support that all the way or you support our continued road to socialism and eventual fiscal ruin

    Don’t blame fiscal irresponsibility on socialism. There are a lot of socialist country that don’t have debts like ours and US is not even socialist. We are having debt problems because Our leaders have been feeding us like pigs with these entitlement programs, tax cuts, wars to “keep us safe” and they have made so many fake promises and haven’t told us that WE ARE paying for them. Its like how those Mortgage banks kept giving out homes.Guess what? Its now time to pay for them.. Either we are going to pay for them, or our children are going to be Chinese Slaves, Plain and simple.

    We should cut spending in all corners possible and not hold on to any unnecessary programs. That includes “defense” spending, medicare, Education, tax “cuts, Space Programs, Corporate Welfare, Agriculture subsidies, Oil Subsidies, Welfare services, and all the other departments and agencies.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2010_Receipts_%26_Expenditures_Estimates.PNG

    FYI we pay almost 200 billion in just interests.. just so you know

  • Color Me Badd

    timzank said:
    I worked for a very wise man years ago and at the time he was the General Manager and I was the Sales Manager. Due to bonus structure, I actually made more than him that year, his reponse was to thank me and point out, he wouldn’t have made what HE did (albeit less than me) if NOT for me. Point is, rich people lift all of us up, taking their wealth away is stealing, plain and simple. Get off your ass and make something of yourself and your life and you won’t feel inadequate or jealous anymore.

    Thank you for using your own personal story and assuming that is sufficient evidence to prove it exists on a macro level. Is there some Glenn Beck handbook you teabags all read from, cause everyone of you do the same thing.

    Honestly I like Mediaite it is a restful and calming place especially in the comment section. Some sites on the net are serious and you really need to use your brain to debate with people, on Mediaite I have never been challenged in anyway and the teabags all use the same debate techniques. It is like crusing on Higway 1 driving through Carmel after smoking some purple kush. Free baby.

  • Color Me Badd

    PC Kryptonite said:
    It sure doesn’t take long here for comments to get off topic from budget cuts to guns?

    I would like to see the federal government cut by a third in five years, nobody’s fooling themselves by thinking this process can be painless, weaning off the tit of the government sow will be akin to kicking a heroin addiction cold turkey but it has to be done!

    Whole government departments need to be given the Jonah toss, the issue of government salaries, pensions and benefits needs to be scaled back slightly under private-sector levels, this includes elected officials. Our country is bankrupt! Our enemies hold the pink slip our manufacturing base is virtually nonexistent.

    Hard choices and sacrifices need to be made, Americans have done it before but our national morality was better than because now we are saddled with multi-generations of Americans who are “me first” with an entitlement mentality. Nope, it’s not going to be easy and you will thank from all the media wailing and gnashing of teeth that we are crucifying children on every tree down main street, but if we don’t aggressively implement this reduction the piper will without warning appear on our doorstep to repo our lives as we know it.

    The time for partisan squabbling is over you’re in one of two camps either you understand the necessity of restoring our constitutional limited government republic and support that all the way or you support our continued road to socialism and eventual fiscal ruin, we can’t afford these vast government programs like Obamacare as well as Bush’s Medicare part D. they and many others need to be repealed and nobody’s extraconstitutional ox is sacred, the warnings of our founders have been ignored far too long.

    “We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our selection between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat in our drink, in our necessities and comforts, in our labors and in our amusements, for our callings and our creeds…our people.. must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live.. We have not time to think, no means of calling the mis-managers to account, but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow suffers. Our landholders, too…retaining indeed the title and stewardship of estates called theirs, but held really in trust for the treasury, must…be contented with penury, obscurity and exile.. private fortunes are destroyed by public as well as by private extravagance.

    “This is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle becomes a precedent for a second; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of society is reduced to mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering… And the fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression.” Thomas Jefferson

    Hey look I can quote Thomas Jefferson too!

    “Experience declares that man is the only animal which devours
    his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to…the general
    prey of the rich on the poor.” –Thomas Jefferson to Edward
    Carrington, 1787.

    “Aristocrats fear the people, and wish to transfer all power to
    the higher classes of society.” –Thomas Jefferson to William
    Short, 1825.

    “I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
    – Thomas Jefferson

    Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
    – Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82

    Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.
    – Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814, responding to the claim that Chritianity was part of the Common Law of England, as the United States Constitution defaults to the Common Law regarding matters that it does not address. This argument is still used today by “Christian Nation” revisionists who do not admit to having read Thomas Jefferson’s thorough research of this matter.

    Yeah I can quote the Founders all day to support my arguments.

  • timzank

    Color Me Badd said:
    Thank you for using your own personal story and assuming that is sufficient evidence to prove it exists on a macro level. Is there some Glenn Beck handbook you teabags all read from, cause everyone of you do the same thing. Honestly I like Mediaite it is a restful and calming place especially in the comment section. Some sites on the net are serious and you really need to use your brain to debate with people, on Mediaite I have never been challenged in anyway and the teabags all use the same debate techniques. It is like crusing on Higway 1 driving through Carmel after smoking some purple kush. Free baby.

    I’ll just never understand why you should care what somebody else’s income is, you should care what YOUR income is.

    Why do you feel you are “owed” something? Just because you’re alive you are “owed” something?

  • timzank

    timzank said:
    Is there some Glenn Beck handbook you teabags all read from, cause everyone of you do the same thing.

    All we do is work every day to better our lives and that of our children while you leaches spend every waking moment sucking off of everyone else and all the while bi*ching about it. You are parasites.

    Get a frickin job.

  • timzank

    timzank said:
    It is like crusing on Higway 1 driving through Carmel after smoking some purple kush. Free baby.

    You realize of course when the sh*t hits the fan economically and you guys have finally driven this country into the proverbial crapper, you won ‘t be allowed anymore to drive down highway 1 after smoking purple kush and you sure as hell won’t be “free” anymore…..China ain’t real big on freedom and especially dope smokin. Ever heard “be careful what you wish for?”

  • Seeing 2012 From My Window

    Tim Says;
    I worked for a very wise man years ago and at the time he was the General Manager and I was the Sales Manager. Due to bonus structure, I actually made more than him that year, his reponse was to thank me and point out, he wouldn’t have made what HE did (albeit less than me) if NOT for me. Point is, rich people lift all of us up, taking their wealth away is stealing, plain and simple. Get off your ass and make something of yourself and your life and you won’t feel inadequate or jealous anymore.

    I think it’s safe to say he was a conservative and not a liberal.

  • Color Me Badd

    timzank said:
    You realize of course when the sh*t hits the fan economically and you guys have finally driven this country into the proverbial crapper, you won ‘t be allowed anymore to drive down highway 1 after smoking purple kush and you sure as hell won’t be “free” anymore…..China ain’t real big on freedom and especially dope smokin. Ever heard “be careful what you wish for?”

    Tee Hee.

  • valkyrie101

    timzank said:
    You realize of course when the sh*t hits the fan economically and you guys have finally driven this country into the proverbial crapper, you won ‘t be allowed anymore to drive down highway 1 after smoking purple kush and you sure as hell won’t be “free” anymore…..China ain’t real big on freedom and especially dope smokin. Ever heard “be careful what you wish for?”

    I thought we were in the crapper in 2008 when they said that civilization as we know it would end.

  • Color Me Badd

    Color Me Badd said:
    Tee Hee.

    Your apocalyptic fatalistic, self important bullshit might work really well at your 9/12 meetings, or NAMBLA but to most rational Americans you sound like Alex Jones.

  • Color Me Badd

    timzank said:
    You realize of course when the sh*t hits the fan economically and you guys have finally driven this country into the proverbial crapper, you won ‘t be allowed anymore to drive down highway 1 after smoking purple kush and you sure as hell won’t be “free” anymore…..China ain’t real big on freedom and especially dope smokin. Ever heard “be careful what you wish for?”

    see above comment, Mediaite needs an edit feature immediately.

  • timzank

    Color Me Badd said:
    Your apocalyptic fatalistic, self important bullshit might work really well at your 9/12 meetings, or NAMBLA but to most rational Americans you sound like Alex Jones.

    You have no idea how bad our economic situation is, do you? It’s mathematically impossible to pay off the amount of debt we have, you got a bright idea? I’m all ears.

  • timzank

    valkyrie101 said:
    I thought we were in the crapper in 2008 when they said that civilization as we know it would end.

    What do you honestly predict?

  • Color Me Badd

    timzank said:
    You have no idea how bad our economic situation is, do you? It’s mathematically impossible to pay off the amount of debt we have, you got a bright idea? I’m all ears.

    Are you storing food yet, Glenn has been talking about that a lot. I am sure you ordered the “doomsday pack” for 32.99 right?

  • Color Me Badd

    timzank said:
    You have no idea how bad our economic situation is, do you? It’s mathematically impossible to pay off the amount of debt we have, you got a bright idea? I’m all ears.

    Do you listen to Family Radio? Family Radio says the world is going to end on May 21st 2011. So I guess we really only have a couple of months left anyway. Maybe you should take up smoking weed. It’s fun.

  • Color Me Badd

    timzank said:
    What do you honestly predict?

    Mayor: What do you mean, “biblical”?
    Dr. Raymond Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor– real wrath-of-God type stuff! Fire and brimstone coming down from the sky! Rivers and seas boiling!
    Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes…
    Winston Zeddmore: The dead rising from the grave!
    Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!
    Mayor: Enough! I get the point! And what if you’re wrong?
    Dr. Peter Venkman: If we’re wrong, then nothing happens. We go to jail, peacefully, quietly. We’ll enjoy it. But if we’re right, and we can stop this thing…Lenny– [The mayor looks at him incredulously.] you will have saved the lives of millions of registered voters.

  • timzank

    Color Me Badd said:
    Mayor: What do you mean, “biblical”?Dr. Raymond Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor– real wrath-of-God type stuff! Fire and brimstone coming down from the sky! Rivers and seas boiling!Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes…Winston Zeddmore: The dead rising from the grave!Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!Mayor: Enough! I get the point! And what if you’re wrong?Dr. Peter Venkman: If we’re wrong, then nothing happens. We go to jail, peacefully, quietly. We’ll enjoy it. But if we’re right, and we can stop this thing…Lenny– [The mayor looks at him incredulously.] you will have saved the lives of millions of registered voters.

    You obviously don’t have any children.

  • Color Me Badd

    timzank said:
    You obviously don’t have any children.

    Yeah all paranoids have children.

  • jim bronson 990cc

    Loved how he tap danced around the whole “birther” nuttiness. What a coward!

  • Gasket

    Platitudes are all the GOP has.

  • Patrick Henry

    Nachi said:
    This guy & his family should be afflicted with the worst diseases known to mankind. And cast out on the street should he/they seek treatment of any kind.

    You are so strange!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Adkins/1585417987 Bill Adkins

    When you get down to brass tacks and really are ready to see just how the Republicans fucked America, all you have to do is read this story. Not even Al Qaeda, the Japanese, the Communists, have damaged us to the extent as has the Republican Party.

  • X-3

    valkyrie101 said:
    I thought we were in the crapper in 2008 when they said that civilization as we know it would end.

    Civilization as we knew it HAS ended. We’re broke and no one has told us yet just how bad it really is.

  • X-3

    Patrick Henry said:
    You are so strange!

    Can’t you feel the love? I KNOW it must be love because liberals NEVER make absurdly crude and hateful comment. Never.

  • X-3

    Socialist said:
    There are a lot of socialist country that don’t have debts like ours and US is not even socialist.

    First, to finish your sentence, we’re not a socialist country “yet.”

    Have you ever been to a socialist country? Have you ever spoken with a person from a socialist country? Your rationale is extremely off kilter if you suggest socialism is better than capitalism.

    Our problems here have been caused by too much spending. Some of that spending was done by Republicans but most of it has been done by Democrats who wanted to be socialists. Either way, the spending MUST stop or our children and grandchildren won’t have a country worth a damn to live in.

  • Color Me Badd

    X-3 said:
    Can’t you feel the love? I KNOW it must be love because liberals NEVER make absurdly crude and hateful comment. Never.

    Who said Liberals never make rude comments, shit we even make some hateful comments. I am guilty, but we aren’t into people like Glenn Beck telling his listeners “you have to shoot liberals in the head” and we aren’t really into threatening 89 year old ladies lives. That is your territory.

  • Yoda002

    The people in congress who vote against repeal should have their public health insurance repealed too.

  • Yoda002

    X-3 said:
    First, to finish your sentence, we’re not a socialist country “yet.”

    Have you ever been to a socialist country? Have you ever spoken with a person from a socialist country? Your rationale is extremely off kilter if you suggest socialism is better than capitalism.

    Our problems here have been caused by too much spending. Some of that spending was done by Republicans but most of it has been done by Democrats who wanted to be socialists. Either way, the spending MUST stop or our children and grandchildren won’t have a country worth a damn to live in.

    Well we need to hack into the socialist military but the Republicans don’t want to touch that.

  • Grammie

    ImNotBlue said:
    Wait, you mean Cantor couldn’t give sprcifics BEFORE the review was complete?

    .
    How many panels and commissions does BHO have out there right now?

    I may not be compltely accurate in the deyails but I heard that the Feds 1,000 Advisory Commissions and Panels with 40,000 people at a cost of 400 million with only 8% of any recommendations being implemented.

    Add this 400 to the 400 for Arts and Entertainment and a few hundred programs like alpaca subsidies etc should be a no brainer. Every budget item mentioned is immediately torpedoed as insignificant. Add them all together with the reduction in interest to pay for the borrowed money necessary to fund them and it would help.

    We can no longer refuse to consider that these amounts are too small to make a difference b/c in the aggregate they would.

    Hey, I think there should be an across the board reduction in SS payments of at least a few percent. That would not be chump change. I’m willing to do it if everything else is an option.

  • Grammie

    Pablo said:
    Color Me Badd said:
    Are you denying that there is a 2.5 Trillion dollar surplus in the SS Fund? yes or no?

    Are you suggesting that this “surplus” is in cash? No, sweetie, it’s in IOU’s.

    And take one big wild guess who they owe to.

  • A Kim Bo

    timzank said:
    You have no idea how bad our economic situation is, do you? It’s mathematically impossible to pay off the amount of debt we have, you got a bright idea? I’m all ears.

    The reason why the US has carried debt for over the last CENTURY AND A HALF and been able to get away with is that there are always outside forces willing to front us money either through trade or through investments. And the reason other nations have given us slack is because our economy has been continually on the up and up (until recently). And the reason that economy, particularly in regards to the consumer market we provide, has gone upwards is because Middle Class wages have gone up (again, until recently).

    Since the GOP has decided that Middle Class is no longer worth salvaging and the corporations that tend to support the GOP have decided that a better consumer market can be found elsewhere (ie CHINA), then that faith others once had on our system that allowed us to sustain our debt has dwindled which diminishes outside investments since our exports can no longer reap those lost funds.

    In other words, no strong middle class in America, no viable reason for others to invest in the US. Especially since we are allowing others to invest in our economy but are showing a greater unwillingness to invest in our economy and our infrastructure. That lack of willingness to raise taxes or pinpoint investments into needs like education and technologies (that actually build and maintain a Middle Class) is what has made our market and our economy less appealing to other markets that ARE investing in education and high tech innovations that carry them into the 21st century.

    Ultimately, the US is using 20th century ideas and trying allow them to lead us into the 21st century. That will not work. In the end, the American Middle Class will need to fight for it’s own relevancy and that means to stop voting against their economic interest and praying that, somehow, a high concentration of wealth in the hands of the few is going to make our economy marketable. That middle class was/is the backbone of what has always been most appealing about our economy, a strong consumer market. But that consumer market too often lately, relied upon access to cheap credit than it has on expansion of real incomes. Americans have allowed decent paying jobs to slip away by arguing against their own economic needs.

    In the end, stability and competitiveness can only be maintained with a strong Middle Class. Our decline will not be due to our debt, it will be due to our dereliction of duty in maintaining that Middle Class.

  • A Kim Bo

    The reason Cantor can’t get specific because he knows that he and his party is going to piss off a lot of Americans (including many in the Tea Party) and they’re simply not willing to do that, at least, not yet. The GOP haven’t yet completely been able to translate the talking points parroted by their middle class supporters into open support for specific cuts.

    They first have to convince those who have been taught to hate the poor that it’s okay to start by cutting the programs for the poor first. And then once they convinced them to draw first blood with the poor, they’ll convince them to screw over the disabled next. And once they scapegoated the disabled for all our economic woes, they’ll turn their attention toward the children. Now notice that their first targets will the alienated and disenfranchised who don’t tend to vote or have much political power. This tells us that their cuts will have less to do with political necessity as it has to do with political expediency.

    Then once they’ve cut off all the little people who those in the Tea Party and middle class reactionaries who vote for the GOP tend not to care much about anyway, they’ll turn to those people’s pet projects of the Middle Class- college education, health care, pensions. And then and only then they’ll turn to the elderly, because old people tend to actually vote, and they’ll throw grandma out in the snow once and for all. Oh, they’ve dreamt of doing so for many many decades, but, alas, they’ll get their chance.

    And just before they turn their attention toward attacking corporate welfare (you know, the people with the most money who don’t really need the supports), they’ll claim that the economy is much better now and our long era of “shared sacrifice” (for everybody but the wealthy) is, alas, over. It’s back to business as usual, but the new business as usual–you know where all those policies and institutions for the poor, disabled, children, middle class, and elderly that the GOP never liked to begin with are no more. And now the poor, disabled, children, middle class, or elderly no longer have any reason to support the Democrats because all the policies the Democrats created that helped the poor, disabled, children, middle class, and elderly are no long gone.

    Face it, CANTOR et al in the GOP have had plenty of time to think about what they’re going to cut and they’re perfectly aware of what those things are but they have no intention of telling the people they intend to tick off (ie all the people they have ignored policy-wise for decades) until absolutely necessary.

  • Pablo

    Color Me Badd said:
    Who said Liberals never make rude comments, shit we even make some hateful comments. I am guilty, but we aren’t into people like Glenn Beck telling his listeners “you have to shoot liberals in the head” and we aren’t really into threatening 89 year old ladies lives. That is your territory.

    Sure you are, and you’re also into making things up like “Glenn Beck telling his listeners “you have to shoot liberals in the head”. Yawn.

  • Pablo

    Grammie said:
    Hey, I think there should be an across the board reduction in SS payments of at least a few percent. That would not be chump change. I’m willing to do it if everything else is an option.

    Means testing now. SS was supposed to be a supplement to ensure that old people didn’t starve. It was not supposed to be the boondoggle it has become. As usual, these nanny state programs tend to grow like kudzu.

  • X-3

    Yoda002 said:
    Well we need to hack into the socialist military but the Republicans don’t want to touch that.

    I agree with you that most Republicans have been reluctant to cut military spending! As a fiscal conservative, I have always believed we MUST get (if you’ll excuse the pun) the best bang for our buck. However, this means we must NEVER allow our military to become 2nd rate–the 2nd rate armies are generally the ones that lose the war. I believe we can both have the best military in the world AND that we can do it for less $$$$. But, there’s a greater issue to consider.

    Our greatest mistake is that our government has too often politicized any wars or skirmishes in which we’ve been engaged. This is STUPID. I believe, with the exception of considering war crimes, politicians should stay the heck out of military affairs and how wars are prosecuted. It should come as no surprise that I think our military leaders should closely follow the teachings of Sun Tzu–defeat the enemy in the quickest possible way in order to minimize losses, damages, and expenditures. With the continual meddling in Middle East, for instance, we have a $5 billion/day expenditure on a war with a fourth rate bunch of ingnoramuses that could–and should–have been concluded in one day. Oh, and while I’m on the topic, my version of diplomacy can be summed up thusly: “Don’t mess with me and you probably won’t die BUT if you so much as harm one of my people, I will come see you and pound your filthy ass into the dust..” It’s NOT about being a bully, it’s about ensuring the safety of our citizens and our interests.

    Color Me Badd said:
    Who said Liberals never make rude comments, shit we even make some hateful comments. I am guilty, but we aren’t into people like Glenn Beck telling his listeners “you have to shoot liberals in the head” and we aren’t really into threatening 89 year old ladies lives. That is your territory.

    I saw the totally out of context clip that was posted by another person. And it WAS totally out of context. My work gets in the way of my watching Glenn Beck’s program every day, but I have yet to hear him advocate violence. In fact, each time he has mentioned violence, he has emphatically expressed his disdain for it! I take him at his word.

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