Everyone will have to worship Jesus — whether they want to or not. Philippians 2:10

Jay Leno’s point is basically one I agree with. Gays want to be happy too. A family is two parents who love each other and care for each other and the children that they raise. Gays and their adopted children fit this definition perfectly.

I can’t see how gay people would destroy the foundation of America if they were allowed to be married. There aren’t that many of them to begin with, relatively speaking, and they can’t procreate.

Heterosexuals aren’t going to go, “wow I think I’ll be gay because gays look happy.” Heterosexuals are going to fall in love with people of the opposite gender. That’s always been the case.

Even now , Johnny Carson would be funnier than Jay .

Do not blame Bachman. She went to Oral
Roberts University, and was not educated upon the difference between the
Hippocratic Oath and hypocrisy.

Why do Biden and Obama oppose it ?

Serious question . Has there been a gay divorce yet ?

Leno should know you can’t have a discussion with a fence post.

Gay Divorce? I believe there has. I’ve heard some Vermonters getting divorced a while back.

Biden and Obama opposed gay marriage because they wanted to win an election. It’s as simple as that, but now their views are “evolving.”

Would this be akin to the apparent sexism going on at the White House.
What’s the matter, Barry can’t play nice with the girls? lol

In a paradoxical defense of the allegations, Anita Dunnl said this:

“This place would be in court for a hostile workplace,” former White House communications director Anita Dunn is quoted as saying, according to the Washington Post, which obtained a copy. “Because it actually fits all of the classic legal requirements for a genuinely hostile workplace to women.”

I can’t wait to see her on Letterman!

I truly wish the republicans would drop the social issues like gay marriage, the war on drugs, legalizing pot, abstinence in the schools

The simple truth is they are on the losing side and playing to peoples prejudices and bigotry

Heres what a reasonable person would say about these if they don’t agree

“While i personally believe marriage is between a man and a woman i also recognize that this is my personal view based on a religious creed that not necessarily everyone believes in, one of things that makes this country great is we get to have different view points and thats ok, therefore i understand that under the law and the constitution should not try to inflict my views on those  who are not interested because it does not take away from my rights”

“I am a believer in no sex before marriage but i also realize that i cannot control my children and at some point i will have to accept the fact that they may not believe what i do, therefore i want them to be as safe as possible and the more you know about a situation that better you will react when you encounter those circumstances”

See how easy this is, its respecting someones beliefs without trampling the rights and beliefs of others, reasonable and rationale

If the Republicans stopped catering to bigots, who would vote for them? There aren’t enough rich people in the country to win them an election.

So, why hasn’t Obama ever been asked this question? 

Wow, sweet Michele Bachmann is lookin’ soooo good! Leno is a doofus jerk. Doesn’t he know “homosexual marriage” is an oxymoron?

Homosexuals are being used by progressives. Thirty years ago marriage was viewed by the left as an archaic institution that would rapidly disappear, freeing women from the constraints of our paternalistic society. The theme of greater sexual freedom also appealed to homosexuals. What threatens progressives is that traditional marriage is a unit of freedom that puts family above the state, and more importantly, they don’t vote Democrat. Progressives know that if the legal definition of marriage is expanded to include gays and Lesbians that eventually marriage will become obsolete, thus making it easier to impose big government statism on its citizens.

Homosexuals are being used by progressives. Thirty years ago marriage was viewed by the left as an archaic institution that would rapidly disappear, freeing women from the constraints of our paternalistic society. The theme of greater sexual freedom also appealed to homosexuals. What threatens progressives is that traditional marriage is a unit of freedom that puts family above the state, and more importantly, they don’t vote Democrat. Progressives know that if the legal definition of marriage is expanded to include gays and Lesbians that eventually marriage will become obsolete, thus making it easier to impose big government statism on its citizens.

Maybe next year i can marry an end table i love.. And i sure do hope the middle schools start allowing kids to have sex in school…Maybe we let criminals in jail form a union and get paid….. All things that are in the works for the liberals…. What a sick bunch of nuts

Bachmann/Palin 2012!!

PLEASE make this happen!

What are you even talking about?

For marriage by a man and woman, that is how the bible states it. Well, then did anyone ever do the RATIO of those that were married via the bible and look at all of the DIVORCES that came from it. It is now news that 1 in 6 marriages fall to the ground, and that is not good. Maybe the answer is not marrying and just living together. I watched Bachmann, and I agree with Leno. She didn’t EVER answer any of his questions with a CLEAR as a BELL answer. She was as EVASIVE as a tornado and the SUN.. Not someone I would want for my president, and Palin either. There are not ANY good candidates on the republican ticket, and NOW, it is time for a PRESIDENT for the PEOPLE and NOT the party.

Take this from another conservative: Give it up already! Ain’t never gonna’ happen!

PRETTY PRETTY PLEASE… that way Obie is sure to get another 4 years.. I guess thats a good thing?

This morning on NPR’s “Weekend Edition/Saturday”, the point was made that children in high-population areas at least will go to school with other children who are NOT the product of Ozzie & Harriet one-man/one-woman arrangements.  Many will be the product of In Vitro Fertilization by married couples both gay and straight.  There once was a documentary on the Discovery Channel about the Salem Witch Trials that began with actual testimony from the era.  Future residents of the US and elsewhere will view videos like the one above the way we view a doc about ancient superstitions.

Evolving ? Their views seem to be stuck in the primordial ooze .

“eventually marriage will become obsolete”… REALLY… because,of course, marriage matters so much now its the driving force behind everything, or at least, most of everything we do.
I pay taxes, for marriage
I work, for marriage
I vote, for marriage
I went to school, for marriage
I buy various things to further marriage
I even got married, for marriage..
hell, I even divorced, for marriage.. 
ROFL..
Perhaps when we FIGHT to remove the constraints of marriage from the STATE, perhaps when we hold true tot he separation of CHURCH and STATE, I’ll remarry.. but till then, till the CHURCH alone dictates who can and can not be married, I’ll stay single.
Just so you are aware “government statism” is already imposed on ya buddy. Try to get married WITHOUT the state.

“eventually marriage will become obsolete”… REALLY… because,of course, marriage matters so much now its the driving force behind everything, or at least, most of everything we do.
I pay taxes, for marriage
I work, for marriage
I vote, for marriage
I went to school, for marriage
I buy various things to further marriage
I even got married, for marriage..
hell, I even divorced, for marriage.. 
ROFL..
Perhaps when we FIGHT to remove the constraints of marriage from the STATE, perhaps when we hold true tot he separation of CHURCH and STATE, I’ll remarry.. but till then, till the CHURCH alone dictates who can and can not be married, I’ll stay single.
Just so you are aware “government statism” is already imposed on ya buddy. Try to get married WITHOUT the state.

Once they all die of aids, the comedians, celebrities will be at a loss for words.  And once the deaths occur in their own families, it will give them pause and they can ponder over why this is happening.  I hope it happens to all guy and the earth will purge them into non-existence.

I’ll bet, you’d rather have it read, “everyone will have to worship Obimbo” wouldn’t you?

I wish your logic made sense.. To step from two adults wanting to get hitched under the same rules most of us, to marrying an end table or having sex in middle school.. wow.. IS THAT WHERE your mind goes.. If you live with such extremes that close to home perhaps you need to take a break.. go camping.. because your fear of tomorrow is actually scary: jailed criminals getting paid.. wow.. splitting sides is really effecting you.. how about dropping the lib/con show and figuring out how to move towards tomorrow sans name calling and petty ignorance?

he wasnt? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73oZ_pe1MZ8 I guess a lightening quick google search was just going to take up too much time?

How gay is it that two gays cannot be happy unless they can call their whatever the hell it is a traditional marriage. Sounds pretty mental illness-ish to me.

REALLY.. my bet is there is MORE than enough wealth in this country to help ANYONE win an election.. as a matter of fact, I think the last 4-5 elections for the BIG HOUSE were won by the person spending the most cash. More money = more ads during prime-time TV hours = more one-and-done fast food types hearing a sound bite and thinking.. THATS MY CANDIDATE, …………….. …………… ………. tonight.

How is homosexual marriage an oxymoron?

If that’s your reasoning, then I am not surprised you think the way you do. That actually explains a lot about you.

You irrational doofus.

They can do that now.  What’s the deal over the name of Marriage if they already have that under a different name?  Why aren’t the Gays happy with what they have now and what’s the ultimate goal?  I don’t get it.

I could care less about the Gay psych and their struggle to force heterosexuals to approve of their obviously perverted life style. The bottom-line in your scenario is the children. Do studies support your view? And even more importantly, should children be subjected to that kind of environment in the first place?  

Gay Divorce? H*ll, they even made a movie about it in 1934 starring Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire.

How can Bachman be anti gay when her own husband is of the flaming variety.

I gotta agree with LAPhil.

Cute, and well written, but completely off the mark. It is a fact that traditional family units respond to themes of personal responsibility and don’t vote Democrat. Gays are just tools of progressives to achieve their political ends.

Yes, I imagine it does…to you.

So you are good with polygamy?

What is the danger of NOT letting them get married, when the can enter into a Civil-Contract? Most Gays are born to heterosexuals? Don’t you mean, “ALL Gays are born to heterosexuals”, which underlines “marriage” in the first place?

I for one have no problem with gays having civil unions and all the rights of a marriage.  However, to change the definition of marriage that has existed since our country was formed is going to open us up to some serious problems. If you change it for one group of people you have to change it for all groups of people.

Yea, like one fictional character is better than the other.

The larger point is there is no compelling reason to change the legal definition of marriage. Politically, the traditional family unit is a unit of freedom that values family above the state and does not vote Democrat. Progressives are all too aware of this and see homosexuals as a group they can exploit to achieve their big government goals.

And if the Democrats have their way, their won’t be enough educated people to vote for them either!

Easy? Yea, and simple?

If you’ve seen my posts, you’d see I am in support of monogamy, be it man-man, woman-woman, man-woman. In nowhere did I discuss the need for polygamy. Best leave the slippery-slope to exotic dancers.

I think Rosie O’Donnell’s wife left her but I’m not sure.

I’m not sure that’s what he actually means as it appears some of you may be the spawn of satan.

Marriage provides legal benefits to its participants that unmarried people do not have.  During the Civil Rights movement, blacks sought an end to white-only segregation that afflicted everyone who was not white.  When Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on the bus, she was refusing on behalf of African Americans sure, but also for Latinos, South Asians, and Middle Easterners.  By contrast, gays seek benefits only for themselves.  They don’t advocate for equality of all.  They just want permission to sit in the front of the bus.

What is the danger of taking away heterosexual’s rights to marry? More than 50% end in divorce anyway. BTW, heterosexuals need to stop raising homosexual babies. You guys fail at everything these days.

Leno was trying to throw her a line and get away from the insane tea nation.

Yaaawwwn..

Separate is not equal.

Studies done show that children who are raised by homosexual couples are no different from children who are raised by heterosexual couples. You look it up.

Um, what?  Considering that they are the only group excluded from marriage, equality for all – and themselves – are synonymous.  

Simply because the definition of marriage, not just recently but since decades and decades (research the history of marriage), revolves around a man and a woman.

Oxymorons are about combining contradictory terms, and “man-woman” is contradictory to “man-man” and “woman-woman” (ie “same sex marriage” is contradictory to “marriage”) therefore homosexual marriage is an oxymoron.

Since you like slippery slopes so much, I’ll give you one: Slavery existed when this country was formed and existed some 89 years after we declared our Independence.

http://www.apa.org/about/governance/council/policy/parenting.aspx

She should have said it shouldn’t be called a “Marriage” but a “Union” with the same legal rights as a marriage.

Strictly, traditional marriage is when a father gives his daughter to another man as wife. A deal is made, a dowry is given, and the two families are cemented in an alliance. That’s a traditional marriage.

That’s not a talk show or any show that many people saw. I want to see someone ask him that on good morning america, Jay Leno or something people are watching. 

I could go along with a legal union but don’t ask me to sanctify a gay marriage in a church. The Bible does not recognize two males or two females as a union i.e. marriage.  If the law wants to give legal union status to two non-biologically compatable people so be it. But it can NEVER be a marriage.

Michele Bachmann’s banal, nonsensical rhetoric is 40% demagoguery, 20% paranoid delusion, and 40% the result of being an ignorant dumbsh*t.

Bachmann and Palin share fundamental character flaws — both have a propensity toward making snide, petty comments about those with whom they disagree, neither does her homework before making public comments regarding important science-related issues, societal topics, and historical events, and neither is mature enough to accept responsibility for her own mistakes, failures, and shortcomings.

In view of that fact that scientific knowledge has come so far within the past few years, why can’t scientists establish once and for all that sexual orientation is gentetic?  Once that is established, this whole issue will disappear and be- come an ancient memory.  Congresswoman Michele Bachmann and Evangelical Christians assume that sexual orientation is a matter of choice.  Once this is proven wrong (what is taking so long?), the debate is over. I think even Michele would agree with that proposition! 

There isn’t much video to give this context, but on the surface this seems like a pretty disgrace moment for Jay Leno as innocuous as it may seem. I’ve never seen Jay Leno ever inject his personal opinions while inviting politicians or political pundits on his show regardless of their ideologies. For him to break on something that he disagrees with is damaging to his credibility.

Stop attacking Marcus Bachmann!  When I confided to him that I was in love with Michele and wanted to run off with her to a deserted island in the South Pacific where I could lie on the beach with her all day sipping pina coladas, he reassured me that I was a victim of evil herteosexual thoughts.  He explained that herterosexuality was a choice and that after six months of payer and reparative therapy at his clinc, I would become so gay that I would be perfect for the lead role in  ”Pricilla, Queen of the Desert!”  He also predicted that I would become the Grand Marshall of the Gay Pride Parade in New York City.  He said he would convert me from straight to gay!  Now that is what I call a good friend!

You listen to NPR?  How can you do such a thing in view of the fact that they fired Juan Williams? You and the other listeners of NPR should demand that NPR get no more public funding.  Mr. Rogers is no longer with us and Juan Willams has been fired! 

Because it’s not genetic nor innate. There have been plenty of studies concluding that the evidence shows that homosexuality in humans and in nature is driven by environment and situation. And what happens if you’re bisexual? Do you have both of these magical fantasy genes? What if you were homosexual but you aren’t anymore — does that mean you’re DNA deteriorated? That’d mean a lotta girls playing sports in college have some fucked up DNA.

Sounds good to me!  Oprah, will you marry me?  I get 50% for a dowry!

You are kidding me right? If proof was presented to people today it would still take al least another hundred years for people “like” Bachman” and Evangelical Chridtins get on board. 

You give people way too much credit.

Many people even in this day and age ignore their feelings.  Look at Bachman’s husband.  There is still too much of a stigma for many to allow themselves to be who they really are.

So you are saying that it is only a marriage if the church performs the ceremony?  What about all those men and women that marry at city hall?  Are they NOT married?

If a union had the same legal rights as marriage I think “most” gay people would be satisfied. 

That was funny!

OMG

There was a lesbian couple here in Texas who wanted a divorce- they had married in Vermont or someplace- and the Texas court said “No,” since Texas does not recognize same sex “marriage.” I don’t know how it was ultimately resolved unless they returned to the state in which they “married.”

I really don’t give a sh*t what Jay Leno thinks….or you either.
I would vote for Bachmann over the Muslim anytime.
At least she is not anti-American.

Uggh this is still an issue?  Look, the government cannot legislate religion.  Marriage is a pact between a man a woman and God.  It is central to all the Judeo-Christian and Islamic faiths.  A civil union on the other hand is what is authorized and required by the state for purposes of taxation, liability, property rights etc.

Perfect example, while my parents have long called themselves “married” they aren’t.  They have a civil union because they did not have their union overseen by a person of the cloth and it has not been “recognized” in the eyes of God.  My best friend, her and her husband went to the courthouse, got their license and certificates then went off to Tahoe.  They are not married in the eyes of God, Allah, Yahweh, but enjoy a civil union as authorized by the government.

If the Pope and head Rabbi and head Imam all want to get together and say its ok for same sex marriages then fine, but the government cannot legislate religion.  If you want to be married under the eyes of God thats something you have to bring up between you, your significant other, and your religious figure.

We don’t agree on much.  We do agree on that.

Because it is an untestable unless there is an anomaly in the brain or a chemical imbalance.  If any of those “causes” were found then that would refute the claims that it is genetic and prove that the causes were not “natural”. 

Understand that science is a double edged sword because in order to come to a workable theory the tests and procedures must be able to be replicated, by anyone, and the results have to be the same within a statistical range.  Physicists are running around talking about how they have found the God Particle, how they understand how the universe was created, except that the test is incapable of being run again which means that the results are unverifiable.  You talk about science with the exact same assumptions that religious people do, that you have the answer when in fact no one does.

There are more things in heaven and earth than will ever be discussed in your philosophies, Horatio.

Obama’s answer was perfect and dead on.

What about Mr. Bachman?  Because Jon Stewart and a few comedians are running off at the mouth calling him a homosexual you automatically assume he is?  You can be an effeminate man and not want to suck a ***** or pack any fudge.  But then again you know his heart, his thoughts, and can speak for him?  Wish I was that badass lol.

You are wrong! Michele got her undergraduate degree from Winona State University in Minnesota which is highly respected (50,000 alumni).  Although she did get her J.D. Degree from Oral Roberts University School of Law, she did two years of post graduate work at William and Mary Law School and received her LL.M Degree.  Now the last time I checked, Willam & Mary, was and is one of the most highly respected universities in the world. You may disagree with Michele’s politics, but do not suggest she is not well educated!

You do realize that your entire statement reeks of bigotry, intolerance, and absolute witlessness right?

why are you a poosey?

in canada, there have been many gay divorces. why should gay people be nixed from marrying

or having lots of mental anguish because one is being nagged at by the other?

why are you a poosey/

then you are just saying that homosexual love is inferior to heterosexual love and you trying to avoid tripping all over your words makes me sick.

marraige is contract.

why are you a coward? is it because your balls were shot off in the war?

i wish she’d give me some oral!

After watching slime ball Leno last night peddle his filth about Sarah Palin off as humor.  And then Bachmann waltzed out from the grren room where she had watched it all and not defending Palin, I say a pox on them both.

why are you a coward?  why should anyone believe anything you say when you refuse to put your real name beside the comment? :P

you’re just lying.

actually. it doesn’t.

why do you hide like a coward? is it because you’re a terrorist?

are you using “freespeech” to talk about hate?

“The government cannot legislate religion”, but you obviously want religion to legislate government, in fact, you want your idea of religion to be IMPOSED upon everyone.  Sorry dude, not everyone believes in God, Allah, Yahweh, etc.
In all the weddings I have seen, I never once saw Gawd in attendance.  Even when I used to be a Christian, I never once saw or heard from him/her/it.  I’m not one to fear a black cat crossing my path or any other superstitions, including any superstitions about heaven or hell.  We are here on earth for our lifetime, for however long that lasts, and any “immortality” is carried on in the hearts and memories of our family and friends.

No they aren’t.  Not as far as the Torah, The Bible, and the Koran are concerned.  Buddhism on the otherhand believes that the union of two people is not a matter of religion, but a matter for the secular authorities.  Shinto, has a very beautiful ceremony where the ancestors are called upon to bless the union, etc etc etc.

A civil union, which is what one gets that is “blessed” by the state, carries all of the same bonuses and negatives that marriage does, except that it is not overseen nor “blessed” by a deity or a religious figurehead.

Gay marriage is nothing but progressives and secularists proving their intolerance for religion and demanding that the state interfere in religious practices. 

You should really listen and get away from either Fox or MSNBC.  On NPR the news reporting is factual, not overblown.  The stories are in depth and give you a true perspective on what’s going on.  They don’t hitch their wagon to the latest ‘fear’ story, simply for the sake of ratings.  You hear honest discussions from all sides of the story. 

They’re not perfect – nothing and no one is.  But on a scale of 1 to 100: NPR is an 85.  Fox is a 45.  MSNBC is a 43.  Network news is a 60.

Obviously?  Only if you are an intolerant bigot that cannot handle an opposing opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPvVnrV1tow

Thus why same-sex marriage should NOT be “sanctioned” or promoted by the Government!  There is NO Public Interest advanced by same-sex couples entering into a marriage contract.

There IS, however, a Public Interest in sactioning and promoting heterosexual marriage:  That of procreation (aka, the propagation of the Human Species).

Sure, Medical Science can do away with the need to “traditional” methods of procreation, but that does not mean, either, that those “artificial” methods should be promoted by the Government, either.

The only “sanctioning” of those procedures, has to do with the SAFETY and EFFICACY of the procedures.

YOU are calling ME a BIGOT???  Bwahaha!  You don’t even recognize your own parents’ marriage just because they had a civil ceremony.

They’re no longer enforcing DOMA, much to the wingnuts’ displeasure.

And the key difference in them and Bachmann is that, unlike her, they didn’t build their entire careers on being a bigot.

The year 1600 called. It wants its mouth-breathing, bigoted stupidity back.

I loved when Johnny would have the Amazing Randi on and they’d expose the religious wingnuts as fraud. As a former stage magician, I figure Johnny had a particular fondness for taking down charlatans like Peter Popov.

I loved when Johnny would have the Amazing Randi on and they’d expose the religious wingnuts as fraud. As a former stage magician, I figure Johnny had a particular fondness for taking down charlatans like Peter Popov.

Dave would destroy her, like he did Rush years ago.

You really have to be pretty sex-starved to find Michelle Bachmann hot. It’s like lusting after a PTA mom.

says the party that says gay marriage will anger the magic sky god.

STFU! You lied…..stop changing gears! Obama has been asked the question and he has given a clear answer. The interviewer is irrelevant- the question has been asked and answered.

 ”……in fact, you want your idea of religion to be IMPOSED upon everyone.”

Why not….You wish to IMPOSE your baby-killing upon everyone.

 I am not scared of any of that as it doesn’t affect me. And for the majority of people gay marriage is NOT moving forward.  In fact i know many gay people who think its stupid. Same rights as married couples, fine but calling it marriage?.. But it seems thats the way this country is headed…. NAMBLA is supported by many on the left. And for the criminals getting paid, Its been proposed.. But thanks for playing. 

http://netrightdaily.com/2011/09/obama-economic-adviser-alan-krueger-supports-prisoners-joining-labor-unions/

Not sure where you’re coming from. I’m just making a political observation. Progressives use blacks, too. In order to win national elections not only do Democrats have to win 90% of the black vote, but they have to turn out blacks in large numbers. To turn out blacks Democrats routinely foment racial animosity. Unfortunately, when politicians succeed in getting the left and right to fight each other, it makes it easier for both parties to steal from us.

I highly doubt that.. That would end any controversy and thats realy what its all about…

That Bible passage is not a demand, but a prediction

I am sorry, but you seem to miss the point.  Fox, MSMBC and network news do not come before Congress and ask that the taxpayers subsidize them.  Without government “bailouts”, NPR and PBS would have to close.  In addition, neither Fox, MSNBC or the networks fired Juan Williams!  Without government handouts, on a scale of 1 to 100, NPR would be minus 85!  Firing Juan Williams means that they are off the charts at the bottom of the barrel!

The gay marriage issue is only one part of a larger picture and that is the destruction of TRADITIONAL AMERICAN VALUES and CULTURE!  Leno, and many other useful idiots, myopic view of the Radical Left Wing Marxists attacks against ANYONE who dares “cling to their religion and guns”!   The ONLY Moral Sin to a Liberal is HAVING MORALS!  Liberal’s today WANT the Government ie. village to raise their children, have you arrested if you criticise homosexuality, throw out or arrested if you utter Gods’ name in a Government building.  Our Traditional American Culture, which Leno and the rest of the Communist Hollywood Crowd want to destroy, says Marriage is between natural born Men and Women!!  If Queers and Lesbians want to unite fine but don’t call it marriage!

No she’s not,… well I’m just going by all the “teas” that say a ”Harvard” grad is not well educated!

He doesn’t know. He’s been on the “tea” blogs again!

If that is what you want, you be at the Iowa State Fair next Summer. Stand by the vendor who sells greasy corn dogs and you might get lucky!

I like the beginning of that chapter;
1 Therefore if you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his
love, if any common sharing in the Spirit, if any tenderness and
compassion, 2 then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind. 3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, 4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.

As Jay said, gay people deserve the same love and happiness as straights, rather than being demonized for being as God created them. {providing God is}

The Gays? I take it you’re not one of us. We want equality. It’s that simple. I’ve been with my partner for 22 years and we work, pay taxes and have boring, ordinary lives just like everyone else. Why should we not be allowed to marry if we want to? Because of tradition? Because some people interpret the Bible in a certain way? People used to say that women couldn’t vote or that blacks and whites couldn’t marry and use the Bible as “proof.” Bachmann is fine with changing those traditions, so why not this one? I guess because she and Marcus wouldn’t have a business if The Gays weren’t told they needed to be fixed.

Because they don’t have it under a different name. What are you talking about?

Heterosexual marriages have long existed before America. Yeah, cling to your guns and your religion if you haven´t any knowledge. 

Dave would be too busy having sex with all of his female staffers and apologizing to Sarah Palin for making lewd jokes about her daughter.  I want to say that Michele would “eat him up alive”, but somebody might get the wrong idea!

I think most gays don’t give a shit whether you approve or not. They just want to have the same legal rights as other citizens.

There’s no studies to show having parents who are a gay couple harms children or that children are harmed by being exposed to homosexuals. There’s your bottom line. What children are being exposed to is prejudice and bigotry handed down by those who refuse to let go of baseless and damaging religious and cultural programing that told them gays were sick and perverted. It’s a lie. Time to grow out of it.

Correction, They can and do procreate. They can’t determine the sexuality of their offspring anymore than heteros do.

You left out “new world order” and the sky is falling!

I have seen many PTA moms who are hot!  Michele is hotter!

I think “Manson” covered this!

Exactly.

They can’t all enter into a civil contract that has the same legal rights as marriage. There’s not one rational fact based reason that they shouldn’t be allowed to take advantage of the existing marriage laws.

That said, if states want to go to the time and expense to create new laws and a new status like civil unions, in order to placate superstition and bigotry, they can do so.
And no, not all gays are born to heterosexuals and neither are all heterosexuals.
Here’s a great example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSQQK2Vuf9Q
Zach Wahls, what a sterling young man. The best video on the subject I’ve ever seen. 

Both NPR and PBS are subsidized, but neither is dependant upon them in order to exist. They get the bulk of their funds from donations. Firing Juan Williams on a scale of important things from a scale of 1 to 100 is less than 1.

I am good with polygamy if I can choose my wife and all of her sister wives.  I would choose Sandra Bullock, Scarlett Johansson, Charlize Theron, Anne Hathaway, Jennifer Lopez, Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin, one for each day of the week!

sorry, that’s incorrect.
For one thing the definition of marriage hasn’t always been the same. That’s false. Interracial marriage was illegal at one point and the arguments made against it were almost identical to the ones made against SSM. The age at which people can marry has changed.
You absolutely do not have to redefine marriage for all groups. The key is a commitment between two consenting adults. That leaves out marrying animals and juveniles. What other groups are you worried about.

Personally, the label of marriage doesn’t mean much to me. All the government can do is grant legal rights. They can’t sanctify or make the union more holy. They can’t affect the love or the quality of the commitment. Clearly a lot of straight couples don’t value the commitment all that much. The problem is the only reason civil unions were created was to placate superstition and bigotry, and to address irrational fears. It’s a way of treating gays as separate but equal, which failed with our African American citizens because the “equal”  was a lie.

How about sanctioning equality among citizens of the United States, is that in the public interest, or maybe written down somewhere?

TRADITIONAL AMERICAN VALUES and CULTURE being defined by conservatives selectively are a continual problem in this country, I have those values (served in the navy, started and run a business, pay my taxes, support the rule of law not men, support the Constitution, support the democratic process, etc.etc.etc.) and they are never what conservatives say they are and the culture of our nation is what ever a person decides is their culture which is different from person to person. And as for the right to MARRY being sought by Homosexuals????? is that not exactly what our TRADITIONAL CULTURE demands? that they get married instead of just living together, see how easy that is ? if you want to be with someone marry them and accept the traditional demands and obligations of marriage?

Oh and BTW keep your primitive superstitions out of my GOVERNMENT until that illegal alien named god applies for citizenship and pays his/her/its taxes he/she or it dose not get a say in my government and when and if the a fore mentioned is satisfied THEN  he/she/it gets one vote and one vote only.

Man you are rude and ignorant. Do you have anything of value to contribute? Just something that shows a little thought process rather than attacks. Give it a shot sometime.

Either they never taught her critical thinking , or she abandoned it for some reason.

By the way, it would not surprise me for a minute if NPR fired Juan Williams because he is both back and Hispanic  Joe McGinniss probably called NPR and PBS and told them that his research in Alaska disclosed that Sarah Palin and her sister had a “fetish” for black men 25 years ago.  Since Juan Williams was the only minority correspondent at NPR, they figured they had better get him off the air before Sarah and her sister slept with him.  Poor Juan! 

Nothing like a totalitarian dictator, eh?

I wish they’d lose the cover of the social issues they pander to so we could really examine the other talking points more realistically. I think a lot of people left and right agree with fiscal responsibility. We just need to have a rational discussion about priorities. We won’t all agree, but a fact based rational discussion that didn’t pander to knee jerk partisan emotion would be a step in the right direction.

What the hell are you talking about. The Democrats support education.

Well, not quite. Perfect would have been saying straight out that there’s no good reason to deny SSM , and it’s an issue of equality and civil rights to continue to deny them.

Seanwatt, you have absolutely no sense of humor!  I did not say that Mr. Bachmann was gay.  Read my post!  All of this nonsense started when Cher sent out a “tweet” in June claiming that, in her opinion, Marcus was gay.  Marcus was so angry at her that he immediately destroyed his world famous collection of Cher records, tapes, CD’s, DVD’s movies, autographed pictues, costumes and memorabelia!  (LOL, this joke was stolen from Bill Maher who told it on Real Time).  Lighten up!

Wong. I’m afraid you don’t quite understand the meaning of oxymoron.

Given the history of our nation and how we’ve changed and grown I really marvel that people use tradition , in a “that’s the way it’s always been” or , “That’s how we’ve done it for generations” way, as any kind of rational logical justification. It just isn’t.
For one thing marriage has been changed and redefined before so that is a false meme, but more impotent than that is all the traditions we’ve overcome in pursuit of a more perfect union and to live up to the notion of equality.

Slavery was a tradition once. Women not being able to vote was the tradition once. Only marry your own kind {race, or religion} is a traditional belief. Separate diners and fountains and bathrooms for the “colored” was the tradition. How can we hold up traition alone as any kind of thoughtful rational justification? 

What a sick bunch of nuts

I think paranoid and extremely irrational qualify for this label and that seems to describe you.

I disagree. As with overcoming any issue of equality, it takes a very long time. We declared in 1776 that “we hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal” and the almost 100 years later 618,000 Americans killed each other because of those words and then another 100 years passed before Martin Luther King marched for the same words.

Change takes time. What Obama said was a presidential step in the right direction.

It has been clealy established that people with Dyslexia and other learning disabilities have different cell structures in certain poritions of the brain at the time of birth.  There are no chemical imbalances or “abnormalies” in their brains.  I believe that research will prove that this is the case with sexual orientation, i.e. different cell structures in certain portions of the brain. No chemical imbalances and no “abnormalities.” Scientists should get to work on this and prove it once and for all!  You want to put the “homophobes” out of business?  This is the way to do it.  Most gay people belive they were born gay and that it was not a conscious choice. If this is so, different cell structure in the brain is the answer. No chemical imbalances, no abnormalities.  We are all creations of God!

Same rights as married couples, fine but calling it marriage?.

I can’t understand why the label of civil unions is somehow better for America than calling it marriage. It’s a word, a label, and nothing more.

Maybe you can have a civil union with that end table you mentioned earlier. The thing is , a lot of folks who still cling to false religious and cultural stereotypes don’t even want civil unions because they’re worried society might get the idea that gay people are decent people who deserve equal respect and consideration.

NAMBLA is supported by many on the left.

I’m betting you can’t back up this ridiculous statement with any credible source.

cmon jay that’s such a “gotcha question”. :P

Polygamy, has been fairly common in history, and various cultures. So far God hasn’t destroyed the world over it.

I don’t see it as inherently evil and I tend to support letting consenting adults make their own choices, however, I’ve also heard that it’s damaging to women , and if that’s verifiable and real evidence that’s at least something real to decide policy on. 

He was warned about his other job interfering with his real job and got fired, you know that dont you?

Mara is next.

NPR is great and it is self funding or did you not know that either?

So when it is the public funding it and not the tax payer (what you might have meant but would have been wrong about anyway) you can not stand it because the truth is you would ban non-commercial for profit alternatives to corporate media which includes all those religious shows which are CORPORATIONS based in religion owned companies.

Yes NPR is charted in the public interest as a corporation, do not confuse it with the CBP (the corporation for public broadcasting, which is all so chartered in the public interest) but it does not let corporate media call the shots.

You know something I am not going to let this bother me, conservatives are as dumb and ignorant as they come.

reality called and said it dont know what you are talking about.

Nonsense. I am constantly bemused by the attempts to dress irrational justification as if it’s sound reasoning.

The compelling reason is equality and the civil rights of citizens. That’s been a pretty compelling reason for this country since it was founded.

If you seriously think traditional families don’t vote Democrat or for liberal ideals you are simply lying to yourself.
In case you haven’t noticed a lot of Democrats , including our current president, are unwilling to come out in full support of SSM. Not only that, supporting the equality and civil rights of a group is hardly a sign of exploitation.

I see where your screen name came from. Your probably someone’s mother and your po0ltical leanings are pretty grizzly.

YES I AM and any red blooded American male or female should be, bring on the ladies and I’ll take as many as I can stand to live with, my wife also has a different idea about how many husbands she would line up if the law allowed it.

Till then, as she sez, ITS JUST YOU AND ME BABY 27 years and counting.

Homosexuality isn’t a “feeling”, it’s a behavior. When someone saying they’re feeling gay, it doesn’t mean they want to have sex with someone with the same sexual organs they have. Wrong gay.

I am married 27 years and vote democrat consistently I am a progressive and I am personally responsible, thus what you claim is a lie.

The Dems want dumber voters? But it’s Bachmann and her pals who want to scrap the Department of Education and they’re constantly changing the voting laws to discourage people (poor people) from voting. Btw, your second their should be spelled “there” dummy.

please answer as to what serious problems would be opened up by gays?

http://www.mantecabulletin.com/archives/8094/

Its like shooting fish in a barrel with you.. Typical lazy liberal.. I proved you wrong with the link to Criminal unions and now here is the link to the NAMBLA/ Democrat association. Do a little research before you spout off your nonsense…

All African-American leaders said that comparing demands for gay marriage to civil
rights 
is inappropriate.

Despite the support
of granting equality in jobs, housing, etc. millions of Americans do not agree
in equating gay lifestyles with marriage. Marriage means to them not only a
group of people living together but partners who will reproduce themselves in
their children and raise them with more than a lop-sided view of only male or
female partners.

To quote Quentin
Crisp, the British author:

“The … problem
that confronts homosexuals is that they set out to win the love of a
“real” man. If they succeed, they fail. A man who “goes
with” other men is not what they would call a real man. The conundrum is
incapable of resolution, but that does not make homosexuals give it up.”

She is anti knowledge and reality…just like you

If conservatives followed their principles, they’d stay the hell out of people’s lives.

What part of “Choice” do you not comprehend?  

This is not a difficult concept:
http://tinyurl.com/6csj59t 

From my take, you stop letting people claim taxes as a married couple & this whole debate is over. Why should the government give anyone a tax cut just because they’re married?

The thing I like about Mediate is that they agree with Arianna.   They are short on message and long on gall.

That’s what you call proof? Anything you read on the internet? I think it’s you who need to do more research.  I’m afraid you’ll have to cite something a little more credible than an opinion piece you dug up. You haven’t proven anything. and if you give a dam at all about facts rather than blindly believing any partisan crap you find, you’ll stop repeating that kind of junk until you’ve checked it out and can find some credible source to back it up. 

That’s what you call proof? Anything you read on the internet? I think it’s you who need to do more research.  I’m afraid you’ll have to cite something a little more credible than an opinion piece you dug up. You haven’t proven anything. and if you give a dam at all about facts rather than blindly believing any partisan crap you find, you’ll stop repeating that kind of junk until you’ve checked it out and can find some credible source to back it up. 

I see your point.

This is some imagined political theory with absolutely nothing to back it up but a bias and a vivid imagination.

If you think traditional families don’t vote Democrat, you’re fooling yourself. 

First, I don’t know why Leno had Bachmann on the show and why she wanted to be on the show. I watched it because I knew she would be on it. It was a waste of time for both. Personally, I’m against gay marriage. But, if gays can be good parents more power to them. Heteralsexuals haven’t exactly been a model for maintaining a two parent households with a 52% divorce rate along with domestic violance and dragging kids through the mud and causing permanent emotional scars for their own selfish reasons.

If NPR, PBS and CPB are “self funding” (which, very frankly,  is BS), I guess that the millions of dollars given to them each year by Congress are used for “corporate jets”, excessive bonuses and firing minority correspondents.  Please join me in sending an e-mail to Congress and request that all government funds previously allocated to NPR, PBS and CPB be sent to Somalia to help the starving children who are in desperate need of help.  My Congressman, John J. Duncan, Jr. of Knoxville , Tennessee, has pledged to defund NPR, PBS and CPB, but I want the money used to help out starving kids.  I realize that you may think that heping the starving children in Somalia is “dumb and ignorant”, but giving millions of dollars each year to a broadcasting enterprise that became obsolete when cable television came along, is so wasteful that it is almost criminal!  Your wife of 27 years must be a saint to let you watch and listen to NPR, PBS and CPB.  I guess you have that right as long as the rest of us do not have to pay for it. 

When a woman is as ravishingly beautiful as Michele, who care what she says?

P.S.  I made a mistake. You were replying to Blueblogger.  I apologize!

P.S.  I made a mistake. You were replying to Blueblogger.  I apologize!

You do not accept an invitation to appear on a TV show and then insult the host!  Michele knows that he makes jokes about all politicians, not just Sarah Palin.

Your parents are married!  Almost all churches recognize civil authority when it comes to weddings and your parents will never be branded as adulterers and be ex-communicated!  Get real!

Its not credible why? Because you said so? SO everything has to get your approval before its deemed true.. You liberals never disappoint when proving stereotypes right.. You know it all right? Your smarter than everyone else.. .. OK Mr Big brain prove its not true

Conservatives say:  Government, stay out of my wallet!  Liberals say: Government, stay out of my bedroom!

I watched it because Michele is so beautiful to look at! 

What are you, 12?

Anybody with any sense at all understands that people can write anything on the internet. Would you link to a cite about alien abduction and claim that it’s proof because someone wrote on the internet it happened to them? If I linked to a liberal site that made some outrageous clains about republicans would you consider that proof?  I never said I know it all. I just asked you if you could back up a slanderous statement you made. Evidently you can’t. If you don’t care about the facts, or slandering people, then by all means repeat any garbage you read on the internet. Get the National Enquier and World Weekly news and tell your friends they are factual and watch the look on their faces.  Once you’ve tried all that, then try to grow up and think like an adult.

Married people would have elected President McCain. Obviously you’re principled stand on gay marriage doesn’t allow you to support taxing wealthy people a greater percentage of their income than middle class taxpayers, but many progressives do.

Married people voted for President McCain. You’re pretty naive if you think politicians aren’t consumed with political power and how to achieve it and keep it.

Married people voted for President McCain. You’re pretty naive if you think politicians aren’t consumed with political power and how to achieve it and keep it.

Married people would have elected President McCain. If you are not a government employee and are a progressive, more power to you.

She has that look of that in guy the bubble that Maher and Olbermann were yelling at last Fri

Married people voted for Obama too. To say the traditional family unit doesn’t vote Democrat seems completely made up and  I’m guessing you have nothing to back it up.

I never implied in any way politicians don’t want political power. That fact doesn’t support your imaginary theory. As I pointed out , Dems actually shy away from fully supporting SSM in order to get and keep their political power. Your theory is pretty questionable reasoning. 

Yes, don’t you just love Texans…Where you can get “married” by just introducing a woman three times to people as their “wife” and that means that they are “married”.

How about if you wouldn’t have been allowed to have married your wife? Or if your parent’s wouldn’t have been allowed to have been married. Shoot, it was just about 40 years ago a black person wasn’t allowed to have married a white person.

Lot’s of kids are raised by a single parent and do just fine. Are they receiving a lop sided view? Ir doesn’t matter what African American leaders think. It’s still a matter of equality and civil rights. Nobody is claiming it’s the same battle.
The Crisp quote is irrelevant.

Why not….You wish to IMPOSE your baby-killing upon everyone.

Next time try to make sense.  Pro choice means supporting the choice to not have an abortion as well.

She did handle it. She responded without insulting the poster who expressed it. Unlike you.

His credibility as what,….a talk show host?

Didn’t California have some of the same issues- palimony, I believe?

Get over yourself about Texas- it’s so childish. I don’t know where else common-law marriage is recognized, but Texas didn’t invent it.

You can call a cat a chicken, if you want, but it still can’t lay an egg. 

No it won’t disappear because people reject science when it disagrees with what they want to believe. Look at politicians like Bachman fighting to have Intelligent design taught along side evolution, or the denial of global warming.
Although studies haven’t show exactly what determines sexual orientation it is fairly conclusive that it is not a choice already and that still hasn’t turned some people around.

Please provide some evidence of those “plenty of studies” because I believe you are incorrect.

I’d much rather have children raised by gays than people who think that people were on the earth at the same time as the Dinosaurs. They believe that “The Flintstones” was an actual account of human kind, instead of a cartoon series. Taking children to “Creation Parks” vs Disneyland.

Whether Marcus is or isn’t is doesn’t matter. The fact is gays have been so demonized by religion and our society, that gay individuals have denied their own sexuality and tried to live as straights to avoid rejection by friends and family.

How about just not in your church?  Other churches don’t share your interpretation of the Bible. Some even have gay members and clergy.

No it certainly isn’t. Nobody is insisting any church has to allow a SSM ceremony in their church. They simply want the LAW to recognize their union as equal so if they get married in NYC they are still married if they move to another state. As it is now many states won’t legally recognize their marriage and it has nothing to do with religion.

I doubt if she supports civil unions either. I think in her and other religious minds accepting civil unions is still tacit approval of homosexuality , and the Bible says that ain’t right. 

We’re not switching subjects mid stream because you can’t logically defend your argument.

It seems ludicrous to think that married people didn’t vote for Obama in the last election. You haven’t provided anythinig to back up your theory. It just doesn’t make sense.

She was looking quite good.

My sole objection to gay marraige is gay divorce. More marraige means more divorce means more divorce lawyers.

My sole objection to gay marraige is gay divorce. More marraige means more divorce means more divorce lawyers.

There is lingering confusion from those who still think of “wife” as cousin.

I, as well, like that!  Yet it seems as tho’ many dont quite follow that!

‘Dont know of any Gay divorces’ but I do know that ‘people’ split up, so if one is one that lives as you state…the answer would probably be ‘Yes!’

I would think Michelle was distracted, by Leno’s hair. Its hard talking to someone with a skunk on his head.

You switched from the politics of the issue to the legality of it. I was just pointing out that government discriminates in all kinds of areas where the greater good is judged to be serlved, eg. taxing rich people at a higher tax rate. And married people went 51%-47% for McCain.

Excellent clip on this link:

http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/lizz-winstead-on-michele-bachmanns-fear-of-hpv-vaccinations

last 10 seconds are hysteric LOL :)

Dems prefer to use the courts to “legislate” their causes. 51%-47% married people for McCain. Look it up.

That’s pretty funny Bob.

That’s quite different than “they don’t vote democrat” which was what you said. {providing it’s true}
Let’s ad that even if McCain got a slight majority in married family votes, it still doesn’t lend credence to your theory.

The narrow majority in 2008 just affirms progressive strategy is working. The more the traditional family unit can be eroded, the more vulnerable the country is to big government expansion. Incidentally, the crown jewel for progressives, or the final nail in the coffin, according to one’s perspective, is single payer healthcare.

I’ve already dealt with that. Even if true, it’s a lot different than married people don’t vote democrat, and still does nothing to support your theory.

I’ve already dealt with that. Even if true, it’s a lot different than married people don’t vote democrat, and still does nothing to support your theory.

Did you know that when you cut a gay, they ooze infectious gay juice?  And the vaccine against it makes you mentally retarded.

Just look at Michele and Marcus Bachmann for proof…

That doesn’t quite make sense. So family’s don’t vote Democrat, but the fact that almost half of them did affirms that families are being eroded?
Sorry, the idea that liberals and Democrats have some plan to to erode the family in order to take over is just your imagination and your political theory has no foundation in fact.
As a point of interest, almost every {every?} civilized modern nation in the world uses some form of a single payer system, including the one we borrow all that money from. For conservatives to arbitrarily portray it as some sort of socialist boogy man is also without foundation. Problem solving is more successful when it’s based on facts rather than ideology without facts.

Look the link I posted below.

The only think that Michelle Bachmann could say that would surprise Lizz Winstead is…. that she sleeps with her husband. Bwahahaaa ! :)

No. The fact that married people went 51-47 and the election went 53-46 the other way shows the declining influence of married people. The United States leads, not follows. And those so-called advanced civilizations you cite are failing. The UK is the poster child. The second largest non military employer in the world is the British National Health Service. If we go down that road there will be so many people relying on the government for a paycheck that our country will change irrevocably for the worse.

What it shows is that you were wrong about married people not voting Democrat because nearly half of them did. Yes a lot of 1st time voters and younger voters voted for Obama but that by itself does not indicate the decline of the family , or that families do not vote Democrat. If you look at this chart.
http://brandtao.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/demographics-for-us-presidential-election-2008/
You’ll see income groups 30  to 50k voted 55 to 43% for Obama.
I’m not interested in starting another discussion about single payer. No system will be without problems. It’s the knee jerk negative response to single payer without any fact based examination that I object to.
I’d like problem solving to be based on facts and sound reasoning rather than political ideology, emotion and talking points. The United States leads not follows, is an empty bumper sticker. The question of why all these nations went that way and how it is working is at least a valid question that needs to be addressed honestly and factually.

But, back on subject again, you still have completely failed to support you theory about how Democrats are plotting to undermine the family structure.

I’m afraid you had no rebuttal to my observation that progressives are using homosexuals politically to erode the traditional family in favor of groups that tend to rely more heavily on big government. You kept taking the discussion in different directions, and when that failed, you asserted my logic was faulty because you decided to decree it so. But, all in all, at least we didn’t just exchange talking points, which is generally what happens.

Very little rebuttal is needed when you fail to provide one shred of evidence to back up your “observation” The one statement you tried to provide evidence for actually contradicted the statement you had made.
Cultures change and I don’t deny family structure has changed. There are more single parents and unmarried couples. After WWII more women entered the work place instead of staying home and it became more acceptable and income desirable for both parents to work. That doesn’t make it a plan by Democrats to erode traditional families.
The two key components of your theory, families don’t vote Democrat, and the gay agenda is part of some complex Democrat plan to erode families, are without support. Declaring your logic was faulty wasn’t arbitrary. You failed to support your own theory, and you can’t build logic on an assumed foundation that has no evidence to support it.

I’m not fond of theories from either side that assume insidious evil intent of the other. IMO common enemy is corruption and both parties have members that are guilty, and members that sincerely want to serve the public. We need to stop assuming the worse of people who happen to disagree with us and learn to have rational discussions based on facts.

I think the government ought to get out of the marriage business altogether, and have everybody form domestic partnerships. Let marriage be a function of church and society rather than making rabbis, priests, imams and pastors into agents of the state. That way the churches that are against same-sex marriage can forbid them, and the ones that permit it can perform them, and everyone’s rights are preserved.

What’s so baffling about bigotry?  It’s been around since the beginning of time.

“Although studies haven’t shown exactly what determines sexual orientation, it is fairly conclusive that it is not a choice already and that still hasn’t turned some prople around.”

I disagree with you when you say that “. . . .it is fairly conclusive that it is not a choice. . . .”  There have been no important studies completed to date on this subject.  They may be in the works, but let us speed them along. Scientific proof is the best antedote to homophobia. You are much too emotional about Michele and the Evangelical Christians.  Michele will not disregard science.  If she does, I personally volunteer to take her across my knee and give her a good spanking!

Is there a college or university called “Harvard”?

No important studies completed?  It doesn’t take much effort to find them so I’m not sure where you got that from.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2005/jun/16/highereducation.uk3
“In 1990, the psychobiologist Simon LeVay published research that
revealed differences in small parts of the brain between gay and
straight men. Three years later, further research argued that there were
chromosomal differences. Since then there has been an “absolute
explosion” in research into the area, Dr Rahman said, but his is the
first attempt to analyse it together. ”

explosion of research,…right?

“He said there was no evidence that people could “learn” to be gay, for
example children of gay parents are no more likely to be gay than their
peers. The researchers examined evidence from the fields of psychology,
neuroscience, genetics, endocrinology and evolutionary biology, and
concluded that sexual orientation is determined by a combination of
genetics and hormonal activity in the womb – and that upbringing,
childhood experience and personal choice have little or no influence. ”

I looked it up the other day and found reference after reference to studies done, especially the study of twins If you’re interested in the facts you should do some checking. As I said, all the studies indicate that although it’s not as simple as genetics, and they don’t know exactly how it happens , all the evidence points toward the conclusion that it’s not environmental and it’s not a choice. It’s not some traumatic experience they suffered as a child or any of the stereo types.

Michelle Bachman has already disregarded science when she {and you evidently} ignore the available evidence , when she refers to Intelligent design as an alternative scientific theory, and repeats rumors about vaccines without checking the science.
So spank her all you want , she’s committed the offense already. 

Hi BB Bear, 

I’m straight and married, , have children, grew up Catholic, and probably didn’t know anybody openly gay until a few years after college… and frankly, I’m embarrassed we as a society even entertain this topic anymore. It’s ridiculous. And, though it means not much for me to say it, I apologize that to the gay community. I won’t go so far as to say “who cares” because obviously, anybody gay should care a lot… as should anybody straight who understands how stupid it is to even intervene in gay marriages. 

The shame of this clip is that Jay, who takes up a good position, could have pushed Bachman further… but didn’t, no doubt because he feared viewer backlash. Bachman was clearly a bit stymied by the question… “…it’s been the law forever…” That’s a rationale? Slavery was the law for a hell of a long time too. So were the laws against blacks and women voting. Laws get rewritten as society gets wise. That’s the whole reasoning behind the judicial and legislative branches of our government. 

I will say this: While I’m not especially religious and I’m well aware of the terrible mistakes and actions of many orders of religion, and while I know many zealots crawl lurk in shadow of what they see as Christianity, I feel a sense of duty to set the record straight on the reality of the teachings vs. the B.S. cited by idiots who don’t read what they propose to preach. 

In any true understanding of those religions, God is love. The idea that a all-powerful deity is sitting around brooding over the mix of genitalia in couples or over what any two consenting people do under sheets is insulting to the very definition of a deity. It’s a Santa Claus understanding of theology… just pathetic. And here we are, thinking the obsession over the gay marriage issue makes a candidate for President more electable in this country. In my mind, it discredits them completely. After all, what could be more small minded than that?

P.S. I saw a post elsewhere saying “Kids are better off in the orphanage than they are going to a gay couple.” Couldn’t help thinking of our friends — two guys from Chicago — who have adopted three children from an orphanage in Asia and one from a deeply poor part of Latin America. Those kids were living in total desperation and now they’re kids in the suburbs who have nice clothes on their backs, go to private schools and play soccer, and have two parents at home who take care of them, talk to them, and care for them as if they were there own (which, now, they are). And thank God for that. 

P.P.S. I’m sure someone else here has pointed out… but it can’t be pointed out enough… so much talk about the sanctity of marriage by those who claim to speak for a loving God, and then an idiot like Pat Robertson says something like, it’s okay to leave your spouse in a case of Alzheimer’s because “that’s a kind of death.” Wow. Be careful, Pat, you’ll drown us in your waves of Christ-like compassion. That’s “until death do us part?” Someone ought to get Pat a few pages from the books of gay couples who have watched their partners die of AIDS, and who stayed by their sides until they end.

Here’s what kills me… if you types that are so afraid of gay marriage understood biology, you’d have your way in just a couple generations. Let gays marry and, obviously, they’ll produce no offspring with their DNA… ergo, shrinking gay population… and your problems are solved. It would be the ultimate right wing power move… someone call Limbaugh.

Thank you for your comment about the studies.  This is excellent information and more people should be aware of it all.

As for Michele, she did shoot herself in the foot with the comment about the vaccine “causing” mental retardation!  A lot of scientists believe in intelligent design and evolution as not being mutually exclusive, and a lot of theologians do also.  I will ask Michele about her views on all of these subjects after I take her across my knee and spank her now that I have your permission to do so!

If you have something scheduled give me a time and place. I’d like to get in a good smack myself ;-}

It’s not that ID and evolution are mutually exclusive. They’re not. The offense was when she referred to ID as an alternate scientific theory as if it had equal weight in science as evolution. It isn’t science at all. It’s speculation and opinion, or faith. Teach it in philosophy class or  a class on  world religion, but it doesn’t belong in science class.

LOL, no they don’t. If you’re referring to “civil unions”, that is completely different. They’re missing out on hundreds of benefits that civil unions do not offer. And what is the big deal of the word “marriage” anyway? Why is it so special only a specific group can claim it?

Studies have shown lesbian women to be the best at raising children.

Also, no one is forcing you to approve anything. They just want their rights.

How is that going to open up a serious problem?
BREAKING NEWS: A HOMOSEXUAL COUPLE DECLARED THEMSELVES MARRIED! NOW HOMOSEXUALS AND HETEROSEXUALS ARE ON EQUAL GROUND!!!!!!! AMERICA IS DESTROYED FOREVERRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

McCain was never president. What have you been smoking?

If gays can get married then why can’t polygamists?

Considering the fact that all the gay people I know were raised by straight couples, I don’t see why it would matter.

“their” and “there”  – “they’re” not the same

Then, why wasn’t he elected?

Married 38 years, two children, grandchildren and votes Democrat more often than not.  Repubicans – the family value party – please.

Married 38 years, two children, grandchildren and votes Democrat more often than not.  Repubicans – the family value party – please.

Married people voted 51%-47% for McCain. Obama won 53%-46%. I think the answer is obvious. The decline in influence of married people is coincident with the decline in personal responsibility in society.

Married people voted 51%-47% for McCain. You are part of the 47%. Your percentage will be much smaller in 2012. Married people respond to themes of personal responsibility because that is how most raise their children.