Bless her heart.

One might get the impression she is actually a nice person.
*shocker!*
/s

Obama’s makeup crew is better – they made him up to look like a Moderate!

Contrast this to the message about Palin we’ve been getting the rest of the week, especially from that scathing Vanity Fair profile, and it’s starting to become increasingly difficult as we approach November to tell apart the real Palin from the smear campaigns, or the real Palin from the propaganda.

It isn’t the least bit difficult to tell the difference between the truth and ridiculous hit pieces like the Vanity Fair article. Reasonable people on the left have had no trouble at all doing so.

Confirmed: Pretty much everyone offended by Vanity Fair hit piece on Palin

Related: The Truth about That Dishonest Vanity Fair Palin Story, from One Who Was There

The truth is not that hard to find.

I think the only reason you see rubbish like this at Mediaite, is so that they can write the headline of their dreams…

Pablo said:
It isn’t the least bit difficult to tell the difference between the truth and ridiculous hit pieces like the Vanity Fair article. Reasonable people on the left have had no trouble at all doing so.

Confirmed: Pretty much everyone offended by Vanity Fair hit piece on Palin

Related: The Truth about That Dishonest Vanity Fair Palin Story, from One Who Was There

The truth is not that hard to find.

As with most everything political these days, truth is subjective. Although I don’t think linking to a Breitbart site exactly helped your cause.

Publius219 said:
As with most everything political these days, truth is subjective. Although I don’t think linking to a Breitbart site exactly helped your cause.

Gina Loudon was there. Where she posted her piece is irrelevant, unless you like to decide what the facts are by the URL they’re posted under. That would be subjective. And stupid.

What did you think of Dave Weigel, Ben Smith, Kirsten Powers, etc…?

Oh, as as for that Gina Loudon claim?

Vanity Fair reporter admits error in Palin article

Still subjective?

Hey that was a great thing she did. :)

Gov. Sarah Palin is not only gorgeous & glamorous; she is also gracious & generous.

Pablo said:
It isn’t the least bit difficult to tell the difference between the truth and ridiculous hit pieces like the Vanity Fair article. Reasonable people on the left have had no trouble at all doing so.

Confirmed: Pretty much everyone offended by Vanity Fair hit piece on Palin

Related: The Truth about That Dishonest Vanity Fair Palin Story, from One Who Was There

The truth is not that hard to find.

Thank you, Pablo.

I’m in disagreement too, with Martel’s implication that it’s merely Palin camp “propaganda” vs. leftist Palin smear machine.

Guess the guy at Vanity Fair thinks all Down’s look a like. Is he resigning?

Lars Svensen said:
Gov. Sarah Palin is not only gorgeous & glamorous; she is also gracious & generous.

Agreed. That short video clip speaks volumes about Sarah Palin’s character and demonstrates just how down-to-earth she really is: she looks like a mom getting her kid ready for school!

What’s new in the World? The media like Vanity Fair doesn’t like Sarah Palin? HAHA! The woman resigned at the Oil and Gas Commission over the corruption in her own party and was later praised by Democrats for it….but you hardly ever hear that from the LSM or can find few people in both parties like that……She is no diva, she is a decent person and for the MSM to attack her with journalistic malpractice is embarrassing and for many Americans to believe what a hack at some magazine or network tells you about her is also embarrashing

I don’t know how many people have to post the truth about the VF hit piece and Gross’s yellow journalism before mediaite will actually address it.

I guess truth matters not to Dan.

I still call shame on Glynnis for embracing the Palin BS VF hit piece and not being woman enough to come on board and admit she was wrong. I guess that’s what the liberal left feminism is all about – trash a woman for being a woman and it’s OK with the NOW gang, as long as the woman is a conservative.

Shame on you Glynnis; at least some lefty women have stood up and said cease and desist….too bad you would rather endorse Gross.

I’ve never seen, in my entire lifetime, the media more jangled than they are by Sarah Palin. It’s not just the attacks — although that’s certainly part of it — but even more the trivialities that serve as the basis for these attacks. When it comes to Sarah Palin, the leftwingers who run the mainstream media lose all sense of control, balance, restraint. If they found she wet the bed at age four, they would throw a party and put in big font on the front page — since, in their warped mind, they had uncovered a major story and a major scandal. Did you see the segment on Olbermann, when Keith was in ecstasy because Palin had used the incorrect twitter feed symbol for Glenn Beck? I mean, talk about derangement….

And now Vanity Fair worried about how much Palin tips. Earth to Vanity Fair, are you still connected to the human race? Earth to Vanity Fair…Can you hear me?.

The end result of this is not really the damage is does Palin. But the reputation of the mainstream media has been irreparably damaged, since they have truly looked like obsessed loons ever since Ms. Palin stepped on the public stage. When they try to do the same thing in 2012 to the next Veep candidate — Marco Rubio or Bobby Jindal or whomever — no one will believe a darn word they say. And you can take that to the bank.

Lars — Hi Karl !

I am not a fan of Palin’s, but I am not a fan of Vanity Fair’s either. I think VF needs to turn the mirror on itself. There are more than a few phony scumbags connected with that magazine.

Two Things…

Frances Martel wrote…”here is Palin, a global superstar at this point, doing the makeup of a minor Glenn Beck guest ”

Frances…to you this gentleman is a “minor guest”…to the rest of us he is a “hero” in the true sense of the word. The things he has done over the last 40 years for active duty military and veterans is unequaled. I have never been a resentful person, but the old I get and as a Viet Nam Veteran myself, I am getting resentful of people who do not know what a hero is, but have bestowed that statues on sports figures and movie stars. I am very sad about that and it cheapens what a real hero is!

2nd Thing! …Those of us who are fans of Sarah Palin, we have always known she shows class and compassion. She has taken every arrow and barb throw by the progressive press and has taken it standing proud. While she stands taller, the progressive press is left to sling their mud and arrows while sinking in their filth pit.

exactly….the more the MSM attacks Sarah over trivial things or make some outlandish statements based on “anonymous sources” the more people will finally have had enough with the “Propaganda machine” of the media

Hello!!!!! MSM, we get it, you don’t like Sarah Palin, quit trying to remind us of it

The MSM laugh and scoff at Sarah Palin , but she would make a fine president. She has common sense, and isn’t a push over . Obama is a prissy , media crowned god . You people are kidding yourselves if you think Palin is ” dumb ” or ” incompetent “.

One last thing: Obama hasn’t held a real job on his life. He is a product of affirmative action and political donations. Palin has worked her way to the top and can relate with the common day worker. Conservatives need to stop being afraid to support her.

@murf, “He is a product of affirmative action and political donations”.

There’s no doubt about it, Obama is the first affirmative action president.

Libra Blue : Damn right . Seriously though , do you think Palin would pass a massive trillion dollar stimulus ? Pass a govt overhaul of HealthCare during a recession . Sue states ? ( AZ ) . Go against the American people on almost every issue ? The answer : Hell no .
Bottom line , Palin would make a better president than Obama , don’t fool yourself .

BatBoy said:
Frances Martel wrote…”here is Palin, a global superstar at this point, doing the makeup of a minor Glenn Beck guest ”

It never ceases to amaze me how some in the media mindlessly marginalize the sacrifice of people who serve. As a vet myself, I think they have every right to do so. I have no problem with it. That’s the whole point. That’s the deal.

With that being said….isn’t it ironic that if nobody chose to serve in the military to defend the country, in whatever capacity….the enemies of the nation, would first come for the people in the media who could criticize them?
Think about that, Frances.

When are we going to stop talking about this hateful, stupid woman and her family? Why not just let them & her fade into the reality world now instead of waiting until they embarrass this country more. She is never going to hold an office again, the only support she has is from a lot of kooks, and the repubs are using this right now–people of a sane mind will never let this happen. Can you imagine her in a meeting like Hillary & the President was about the middle east, she would be a laughing stock.!! She doesn’t have the class or intelligence to represent the United States.

DonnaK said:
When are we going to stop talking about this hateful, stupid woman and her family? .

you sound like the hateful cunt right now..

“The message: Sarah is a team player” Frances Martel

No. The message is that she is one of us. That is why we love her. That is something the Left will never understand. Because the Left doesn’t want to be one of us. The Left thinks they are better than us.

“if Palin continues to crank out apolitical and light-hearted moments like this one”

Further proof you have no clue about Sarah Palin. She did not want or know this was going to be broadcast. It was Glenn Beck’s idea.

BTW, Dan Roever was burned by a phosphorus grenade in Vietnam. That is why he is so horribly scarred.

If the media is trying to trash her, she must be doing something right.

bamman said:
Agreed. That short video clip speaks volumes about Sarah Palin’s character and demonstrates just how down-to-earth she really is: she looks like a mom getting her kid ready for school!

Well that would have to be appearances only. Her children so seldom go to school, and the only time the Drop Out Governor gets them ready for anything is when shoves them out on a stage to trot around.

I’ve said it before, and I” say it again. A dingo is a better mother than this woman.

DonnaK said:
When are we going to stop talking about this hateful, stupid woman and her family?

But, we weren’t talking about you at all, DonnaK. You’re paranoid.

ImRubberYoureGlue said:
If the media is trying to trash her, she must be doing something right.

I assume by “trash her” you mean telling the truth about her? The media is simply finding the trash.

Thank you BatBoy! Referring to that Tremendous American Hero, Dave Roever, as a “minor Glenn Beck
guest” has caused me to write and re-write a very simular comment to your 11:25 AM comment!
But trust me, the comments I was composing were laced with language even I don’t normally
like to use! You said it all!
Look at this mans Bio! NEVER-NEVER refer to him as minor!
I have noticed even the Palin Haters that come here have left this one alone!

James Robert Landry

Azarkhan said:
The message is that she is one of us.

I don’t think all that highly of you, to be sure, but even I give you higher marks than you give yourself, apparently.

the liberals will be saying that she took a job away from a union member!!!!!!!!!!

murf said:
One last thing: Obama hasn’t held a real job on his life. He is a product of affirmative action and political donations. Palin has worked her way to the top and can relate with the common day worker. Conservatives need to stop being afraid to support her.

That’s an awfully big net. In public life, Justice Thomas is the most notable recipient of affirmative action largesse there is. And, I don’t fault him for that. I do fault him for, having eaten well of the pie, he so merrily denies a slice to others. Yet, you don’t seem to object to that.

As for President Obama not having worked, of course, that is simply a lie. He may have entered into political life early, but Hayseed Barbour and Tollbooth Perry have never done anything put waddle off to the public trough to lap up slop, yet I don’t see you criticizing them. The Drop Out Governor? Her biggest accomplishments in life seem to be spraying glue on her butt and dropping out of office. Where is your indignation?

You have very selective indignation, don’t you?

richsov said:
the liberals will be saying that she took a job away from a union member!!!!!!!!!!

Probably not. She obviously didn’t have a clue what she was doing, and I am sure she quit half way through the job.

royal your wife is fucking the dog again, better get the hose

The Real Royal King said:
I don’t think all that highly of you

Royal, I don’t expect arrogant leftist scum like you to comprehend what I write, so don’t show your ignorance by trying.

Palin should stick to doing make-up and stop making a mockery of the English language – and Humans in general.

Royal King must really be a sight
As he furiously types words so trite
Till his fingers get numb
Is he really that dumb?
Hopefully, he soon see the light

Newsjunky said:
Palin should stick to doing make-up and stop making a mockery of the English language – and Humans in general.

yeah lets get a stuttering mulatto to make the country feel good about itself

Newsjunky said:
Palin should stick to doing make-up and stop making a mockery of the English language – and Humans in general

OK, you’ve had enough fresh air. Time to stick your head back up your ass.

Yes, finally something she’s qualified to do. Hair and Make up. Looks like all that beauty queen training will pay off. As opposed to ranting about
“Anonymous sources who are Anonymous.” Deep Thoughts!

DonnaK said:
When are we going to stop talking about this hateful, stupid woman…embarrass this country more….only support she has is from a lot of kooks….she would be a laughing stock.!! …doesn’t have the class or intelligence…

As I said before, the left gets jangled by Ms. Palin and lose all sense of restraint or dignity. This kind of asinine commentary is all too typical of how they respond. But the people who throw all the garbage end up smelling far worse than anything they are aiming at.

Constantly said:
yeah lets get a stuttering mulatto to make the country feel good about itself

A slavish devotee of the Drop Out Governor who is also a blatant racist. I’m shocked. “Shocked,” I say.

roxsteady said:
Yes, finally something she’s qualified to do. Hair and Make up. Looks like all that beauty queen training will pay off. As opposed to ranting about“Anonymous sources who are Anonymous.” Deep Thoughts!

Do you know if she uses her own application tools, or does she just borrow a snow shovel and a trowel from FOX maintenance?

As for President Obama not having worked, of course, that is simply a lie. He may have entered into political life early, but Hayseed Barbour and Tollbooth Perry have never done anything put waddle off to the public trough to lap up slop, yet I don’t see you criticizing them. The Drop Out Governor? Her biggest accomplishments in life seem to be spraying glue on her butt and dropping out of office. Where is your indignation? ” TRRK

No one in Obama’s inner circle knows what to do about this economy, or anything else for that matter,  because all of them, especially Obama himself, are nothing more than a pack of intellectual theoriticians.

These losers have done nothing their whole lives except sit in college libraries with like-minded friends and TALK about how they think things might maybe possibly work.  None of them have ever done anything real with their lives.  They’ve never built anything but political coalitions.  They’ve never held real jobs, they’ve never made a penny of their own money – they’ve only lived off other people’s donations.

The Real Royal King said:
I’ve said it before, and I” say it again. A dingo is a better mother than this woman.

Yeah…yeah….hack.

You’d be singing the praises of a dingo and proclaiming the dingo was a hybrid of Mother Teresa-Einstein, if it was running for office as a democrat.

The Real Royal King said:
That’s an awfully big net. In public life, Justice Thomas is the most notable recipient of affirmative action largesse there is. And, I don’t fault him for that. I do fault him for, having eaten well of the pie, he so merrily denies a slice to others. Yet, you don’t seem to object to that.

How would a female and/or a person of color go about denying themselves the “pie” of affirmative action, or refuting the assumption that they had, when it is part of an institutionalized system?

That’s the beef, Einstein.

The Real Royal King said:
Do you know if she uses her own application tools, or does she just borrow a snow shovel and a trowel from FOX maintenance?

dave roever served his country in nam, you are the lowest fucking piece of scum left around your wifes pussy after the dog jizzed in her, for making fun of him.

murf said:
As for President Obama not having worked, of course, that is simply a lie. He may have entered into political life early, but Hayseed Barbour and Tollbooth Perry have never done anything put waddle off to the public trough to lap up slop, yet I don’t see you criticizing them. The Drop Out Governor? Her biggest accomplishments in life seem to be spraying glue on her butt and dropping out of office. Where is your indignation? ” TRRK No one in Obama’s inner circle knows what to do about this economy, or anything else for that matter,  because all of them, especially Obama himself, are nothing more than a pack of intellectual theoriticians. These losers have done nothing their whole lives except sit in college libraries with like-minded friends and TALK about how they think things might maybe possibly work.  None of them have ever done anything real with their lives.  They’ve never built anything but political coalitions.  They’ve never held real jobs, they’ve never made a penny of their own money – they’ve only lived off other people’s donations.

I don’t dispute that there are such people. In fact, I called your attention to Hayseed Barber and Tollbooth Perry. But, you have no problem with them, do you?

Cecelia said:
Yeah…yeah….hack. You’d be singing the praises of a dingo and proclaiming the dingo was a hybrid of Mother Teresa-Einstein, if it was running for office as a democrat.

Actually, I have been critical of a number of notably bad political parents, all the way from Ted and Joan Kennedy to Ronnie and Nancy Raygun. However, the Drop Out Governor is simply worse than any.

Constantly said:
dave roever served his country in nam, you are the lowest fucking piece of scum left around your wifes pussy after the dog jizzed in her, for making fun of him.

Actually, he was suggesting that Palin looks cheap.

On another board he used to call a conservative with the screen name of Grammie a “hag” and go on and on about her being useless and wrinkled.

He doesn’t know politics, philosophy, or religion, so it’s all he has.

Cecelia said:
How would a female and/or a person of color go about denying themselves the “pie” of affirmative action, or refuting the assumption that they had, when it is part of an institutionalized system? That’s the beef, Einstein.

And, I agree that at some point the instiutionalization ought to end. I know you’re not a typical racist Republican, so I am sure you have recognized the need for an adjustment. Similarly, I am sure you know without Title IX women’s sports in college wouldn’t be thriving.

Cecelia said:
Actually, he was suggesting that Palin looks cheap. On another board he used to call a conservative with the screen name of Grammie a “hag” and go on and on about her being useless and wrinkled. He doesn’t know politics, philosophy, or religion, so it’s all he has.

I apologize. I didn’t mean to suggest the Drop Out Governor is cheap. I meant to delcare it in very clear terms.

Cecelia said:
Actually, he was suggesting that Palin looks cheap.

On another board he used to call a conservative with the screen name of Grammie a “hag” and go on and on about her being useless and wrinkled.

He doesn’t know politics, philosophy, or religion, so it’s all he has.

dont give the spermburper so much credit

The Real Royal King said:
Actually, I have been critical of a number of notably bad political parents, all the way from Ted and Joan Kennedy to Ronnie and Nancy Raygun. However, the Drop Out Governor is simply worse than any.

I’m sure you’ve been critical of Ted Kennedy only while in the process of making a point about Palin and/or the Reagans.

That’s just one of your oily rhetorical tactics.

Cecelia said:
Actually, he was suggesting that Palin looks cheap. On another board he used to call a conservative with the screen name of Grammie a “hag” and go on and on about her being useless and wrinkled. He doesn’t know politics, philosophy, or religion, so it’s all he has.

By the way, what happened to Janet? Long absence both here and, from what I gather, at the Koldys Phox Phan Klub. I understand when Jeff started positing threats against the life of our President, but Janet is merely derivative and redundant, not threatening.

The Real Royal King said:
I apologize. I didn’t mean to suggest the Drop Out Governor is cheap. I meant to delcare it in very clear terms.

your wife is a prime example, so i guess youre the expert…

Cecelia said:
On another board he used to call a conservative with the screen name of Grammie a “hag” and go on and on about her being useless and wrinkled.

Mr.Ki(n)g insulting women , I ‘m shocked . “Shocked,” I say.

The Real Royal King said:
I apologize. I didn’t mean to suggest the Drop Out Governor is cheap. I meant to delcare it in very clear terms.

At some point perhaps you’ll ascertain that the only thing you declare with this stuff is that you’re a troll.

The Real Royal King said:
Similarly, I am sure you know without Title IX women’s sports in college wouldn’t be thriving.

Actually stupid, they are not all thriving. Most women’s college sports get the bulk of their funding from the profits made by popular men’s programs like football and basketball. Go the SI Archives.

The Real Royal King said:
By the way, what happened to Janet? Long absence both here and, from what I gather, at the Koldys Phox Phan Klub. I understand when Jeff started positing threats against the life of our President, but Janet is merely derivative and redundant, not threatening.

I’ll let Grammie know that you asked about her and merely called her dense, rather than diaper-wearing and senile.

I’m sure she’ll be gratified at your turn towards gentility.

Cecelia said:
At some point perhaps you’ll ascertain that the only thing you declare with this stuff is that you’re a troll.

sure hes a troll and his wife is a whore, but he needs something to do while shes turning tricks in the home depot parking lot

Cecelia said:
At some point perhaps you’ll ascertain that the only thing you declare with this stuff is that you’re a troll.

Another description might be a Hrodwulf .

I notice “Constantly” has to throw around the 4 letter words to make a point, and I guess to make himself manly!! Maybe Palin was talking about him when she she uses the terms “limp” & impotent”. Just sayin!!

DonnaK said:
I notice “Constantly” has to throw around the 4 letter words to make a point, and I guess to make himself manly!! Maybe Palin was talking about him when she she uses the terms “limp” & impotent”. Just sayin!!

my sexual prowess doesnt change the fact you are a cunt…try again cunt

The Real Royal King said:
And, I agree that at some point the instiutionalization ought to end. I know you’re not a typical racist Republican, so I am sure you have recognized the need for an adjustment. Similarly, I am sure you know without Title IX women’s sports in college wouldn’t be thriving.

Actually, you sound just like a Republican– affirmative action has done some good, but what are the parameters, and how do when know when enough is enough.

Not that this fact would stop you from calling opponents racists.

Why let a little honesty get in the way of a good political operative internet trolling.

Constantly said:
sure hes a troll and his wife is a whore, but he needs something to do while shes turning tricks in the home depot parking lot

Constantly, you’re in dire need of a parent with some purple soap.

Cecelia said:
Constantly, you’re in dire need of a parent with some purple soap.

i didnt know someone was MAKING you read my posts

Constantly said:
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Constantly

It is time you clean up your writing!

Your message is being lost by your foul language!

Batboy and JimBob you make an excellent point how mediaite dismisses an American hero as a “minor guest”. Just further proof of the lowness of this site.

I’ll ask again: Where the heck is Dan? How can he allow this tripe to continue on his board?

He needs to step in and demand some integrity from his writers soon or get some new ones or something.

Wow RRK, there may be someone dumber than you? DonnaK is on her way to ultimate insanity.

Latest RRK Poll…………124 thumbs down……………ZERO, NADA, NONE thumbs up.

How did you do that? That is amazing. Your comments are so dumb you didn’t even give yourself a thumbs up.

So, let’s see, a hit piece on Palin, or revealing another stupidity of teh one? We all know mediaite ignored the whole “57 states” gaffe, and then the “corpse man” gaffe, and now this? Mediaite is gonna ignore this too???

Maureen Dowd: That new Oval Office carpet needs editing

Probably; afterall, talking about Palin is much more important than laughing at the Idiot in chief.

Sarah Palin is just an American woman…like most American women. Classy, capable, friendly, and full of common sense. Is that why the left hates her? Also, who thinks any one that offered their life to protect another is a ‘minor guest’. Sad reflection on someone on this site.

I think this piece supports her position as a person of the people, for the people. What she lacks in Washington political savvy, she more than makes up with true national patriotism and regard for the common man.
Some would say, her lack of political savvy is her worst discrepancy. I believe it’s her strongest attribute. This women could go into Washington with clear eyes and see the cesspool in for what it is.

That was really nice of Sarah Palin.

CAconservative said:
I think this piece supports her position as a person of the people, for the people. What she lacks in Washington political savvy, she more than makes up with true national patriotism and regard for the common man.
Some would say, her lack of political savvy is her worst discrepancy. I believe it’s her strongest attribute. This women could go into Washington with clear eyes and see the cesspool in for what it is.

I wonder, how is “political savvy” defined? Lack of morals and principles? The ability to tell each audience only what they want to hear; and each audience gets a different message? Just a smooth talker with a teleprompter?

In that case, yes, I totally agree that Sarah Palin is the exact opposite of politically savvy. I base political savvy on an ability to weather the storm and rise above. Sarah Palin has that and character in spades.

I am so looking forward to the November Reckoning.

BTW, I recall some nutjob (was it Glynnis MacNichol?) speculating that Beck didn’t think Sarah Palin was a good candidate for President.

Leftists, get a life! You are completely clueless when it comes to Sarah Palin or the conservative movement. You really should run a disclaimer to that effect before every hit piece you post on Sarah or conservatives.

Firstly, let me say my comments are for the people who run this site. I have not read the other posters here. And do not take it personally, as I don’t care to do so.

I only became aware of this site recently, over the past couple, two, three weeks, and I have despised it, at least at a low level, since the first day I visited it. Why is that one might ask? Because for all the faults of the MSM, this site is worse, perhaps. It is worse as it is a seemingly self-appointed watchdog, and yet it is every bit as bad if not worse a violator as the critters it presumes to watch dog.

Case in point, this dribble over Sarah Pain. A lot of commentators, some more unbiased than others have written about her odd personality, behavior, and record. Most recently and famously is the piece in the current Vanity Fair. The writer of that piece admittedly pulled his punches. I won’t. The woman clearly has Borderline Personality Disorder, seems to me (and I do not have creds in Mental Health. I have been a Family Court lawyer in my life, and have had a lot of mentally ill and/or challenged clients, in my day.) By the way, for those not familiar with the term, the “borderline” is the borderline between those people who are not psychotic and those who are. Anyway . . .

What the hell does it matter that this ignorant, self centered, intellectually incurious partisan hack lends her studio out to one of her “fellow travelers,” and comrades in arms? Fact she is several miles past merely clinically narcissistic on the DSM grid does not preclude her doing something that might seem to benefit anyone else. NEVER MIND that there clearly is some benefit to her seeming to help a “fellow traveler,” and comrade in arms. We are talking politics here, not Marathon race running. It’s not really every man or woman for himself. You can’t stay in the game long being purely a selfish creature. Beyond that, for all any of us not privy to the details of the contract between her and Fox News, there might be some semi or affirmative duty to let Fox News use the studio for precisely the kind of thing that happened here.

So, enough of that. Back to what is wrong with this website. Why the hell did not who ever wrote the preceding “report” think of that? Why didn’t who ever let the thing be published think of it?

This is why I say this site is as bad if not worse than the MSM when the MSM falls for that crap. Your god damned job as journalists or watchdogs over journalists is to question the spin, not republish it, or legitimize damnit.

The Real Royal King said:
That’s an awfully big net. In public life, Justice Thomas is the most notable recipient of affirmative action largesse there is. And, I don’t fault him for that. I do fault him for, having eaten well of the pie, he so merrily denies a slice to others. Yet, you don’t seem to object to that.

As for President Obama not having worked, of course, that is simply a lie. He may have entered into political life early, but Hayseed Barbour and Tollbooth Perry have never done anything put waddle off to the public trough to lap up slop, yet I don’t see you criticizing them. The Drop Out Governor? Her biggest accomplishments in life seem to be spraying glue on her butt and dropping out of office. Where is your indignation?

You have very selective indignation, don’t you?

You’re right about Justice Thomas, except that he’s not proud of it. He’s said publicly that every time he looks at his degree from Yale it saddens him to think AA had anything to do with it. He said AA cheapens the success of black people, because it makes them feel as though they didn’t really earn it. He said the cloud of AA left a permanent stain on his degrees.

Justice Thomas is one of the smartest men to ever sit on the SCOTUS and he believes AA is wrong and should be ended.

Tony Dias said:
The woman clearly has Borderline Personality Disorder, seems to me

Tony, you just got out of the institution…right?

Personally you sound like you are the one with the Personality Disorder…nothing Borderline about you my friend!

Message to BatBoy:

I really did not hope to get entangled with any other posters. I really wanted my post to be a message to the people who run this board.

That’s why I said,

“My comments are for the people who run this site.”

Nope I am not going to get in to a who’s the bigger asshole context with you. I would win that, with out trying.

Now hush up. Unless you are management or at least staff here, I really don’t care what you say or think.

(damn typos)

If that were the case Tony, you would have submitted your remarks privately via email, but ya didn’t. You took your shot at Palin in a public venue and those who participate in that public venue can and will dismiss your commentary as the PDS it represents.

The author of the VF story has admitted he lied (although he called it a mistake). Mediaite endorsed the article and yet hasn’t had the balls to man up and report on the lies of Gross.

So yes, this site is in a world of hurt from an integrity stand point, a world of hurt of their own making.

BatBoy said:
Constantly

It is time you clean up your writing!

Your message is being lost by your foul language!

sorry bud but i think “cunt” sums up what i was trying to say very succinctly. i didnt feel like writing a couple paragraphs to describe her.

Tony Dias said:
Firstly, let me say my comments are for the people who run this site. I have not read the other posters here. And do not take it personally, as I don’t care to do so.

I only became aware of this site recently, over the past couple, two, three weeks, and I have despised it, at least at a low level, since the first day I visited it. Why is that one might ask? Because for all the faults of the MSM, this site is worse, perhaps. It is worse as it is a seemingly self-appointed watchdog, and yet it is every bit as bad if not worse a violator as the critters it presumes to watch dog.

Case in point, this dribble over Sarah Pain. A lot of commentators, some more unbiased than others have written about her odd personality, behavior, and record. Most recently and famously is the piece in the current Vanity Fair. The writer of that piece admittedly pulled his punches. I won’t. The woman clearly has Borderline Personality Disorder, seems to me (and I do not have creds in Mental Health. I have been a Family Court lawyer in my life, and have had a lot of mentally ill and/or challenged clients, in my day.) By the way, for those not familiar with the term, the “borderline” is the borderline between those people who are not psychotic and those who are. Anyway . . .

What the hell does it matter that this ignorant, self centered, intellectually incurious partisan hack lends her studio out to one of her “fellow travelers,” and comrades in arms? Fact she is several miles past merely clinically narcissistic on the DSM grid does not preclude her doing something that might seem to benefit anyone else. NEVER MIND that there clearly is some benefit to her seeming to help a “fellow traveler,” and comrade in arms. We are talking politics here, not Marathon race running. It’s not really every man or woman for himself. You can’t stay in the game long being purely a selfish creature. Beyond that, for all any of us not privy to the details of the contract between her and Fox News, there might be some semi or affirmative duty to let Fox News use the studio for precisely the kind of thing that happened here.

So, enough of that. Back to what is wrong with this website. Why the hell did not who ever wrote the preceding “report” think of that? Why didn’t who ever let the thing be published think of it?

This is why I say this site is as bad if not worse than the MSM when the MSM falls for that crap. Your god damned job as journalists or watchdogs over journalists is to question the spin, not republish it, or legitimize damnit.

dudes obviously a racist…why you hate white people?

Tony Dias said:
Message to BatBoy: I really did not hope to get entangled with any other posters. I really wanted my post to be a message to the people who run this board. That’s why I said, “My comments are for the people who run this site.” Nope I am not going to get in to a who’s the bigger asshole context with you. I would win that, with out trying. Now hush up. Unless you are management or at least staff here, I really don’t care what you say or think.

I thought you said you don’t read other comments.

Try posting this type of arrogant crap first on a thread where more people will get time to read it.
You won’t win any contests here.

You can’t just walk in a room and insult the occupants and then tell them to “hush up”.

I did not insult the occupants of the room. I specifically addressed my comments to management.

Here comes the insult, perhaps and however. Take it that way if if pleases you I care not.

What part of directing my remarks to the people who rund this side did you not understand?

(Again I wish I could fix the typos now that I see them.)

I just don’t get this.

I say up front message to management.

Where is there any room for confusion?

Can anyone explain that to me?

It does look like she might be without her clownface, don’t see much makeup by way of liptstick

I’m tired of tv and movies peeps, they all put on clownfaces. I thought it was just a southern thing where women “put on their face” when getting ready. Maybe it’s just cause I hate fake shit and it’s usually an obscene amount of makeup on people, hence clownface, (usually woman but some men also)

Tony Dias said:
What the hell does it matter that this ignorant, self centered, intellectually incurious partisan hack lends her studio out to one of her “fellow travelers,” and comrades in arms?

Wow Tony, you’re a real asshole. Oh, and other people are allowed to comment on your comments. FYI.

Tony,

Contact Management if you want to talk to them. We’re not management, we just work here.

Enjoy-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEem90BAbcM

Finally Frances, you did a story which makes me think a little MORE of you instead of a little LESS.

Tony Dias said:
only became aware of this site recently, over the past couple, two, three weeks, and I have despised it….What the hell does it matter that this ignorant, self centered, intellectually incurious partisan hack lends her studio out to one of her “fellow travelers,” and comrades in arms? Fact she is several miles past merely clinically narcissistic on the DSM grid does not preclude her doing something that might seem to benefit anyone else.

Yeah, we understand you Tony. Any site that deviates ever so slightly from the hate speech that is obviously your stock-in-trade is not one you want to read. I suggest you stick with Media Matters, where they regularly remove comments on the articles that aren’t in keeping with their (and your) extremist ideology. You will feel much more at home there. And we will be better off without your vacuous rants.

Yeah, while they were double-checking the sat link, doing sound checks, syncing tracks, and checking that IFBs aren’t on the PL comms, Sarah Palin just “happened” to be taped when she “quite unexpectedly” started doing the guest’s makeup. What a genuine moment! How could anyone ever think such a thing was ever anything but pure spontaneity? I mean, those aren’t even Sarah’s favorite hoopy earrings! Good thing the tape operator “accidentally” hit record just before Sarah entered the frame for the first time or we might have missed the whole thing! It would be an amazing stroke of luck if Sarah wasn’t always doing other people’s makeup and such, you know, just being a regular gal who loves to serve others…

I am in awe of the naivete of conservatives. I remember an era when even the most hard-core conservative would have laughed this off as a mockery to thinking people everywhere. Today, it’s manna from heaven. Sad. So sad.

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Murf said: > You people are kidding yourselves if you think Palin is ” dumb ” or ” incompetent “.

No they don’t think Palin is ” dumb ” or ” incompetent. “ They are scared s***less of her and are whistling past the cemetery.

I’m looking forward to the debates, which should enliven a very talented slate of Republican candidates,

I don’t think Sarah Palin is incompetent or dumb. I think she’s shrewd but uneducated and ignorant of her own nation’s history, and those attributes, in combination with her meteoric celebrity (which inflates even the most humble egos), make her dangerous. Now, I have skills. I live and work in the top media market and have done so for more than two decades. Her impact on NYC is minimal on her best day. But I’m not worried about me as much as I am about the people who think she has their interests at heart, when she really doesn’t have anything but herself at heart, like most celebrities. And make no mistake, Sarah is a celebrity way more than a politician. Back when CompuServe was the BMOC, I engaged in debates with conservatives daily (CNN Talkback Live! forum moderator) and can tell you that none of those conservatives would have given Sarah the time of day. Seriously, not one. It’s barely a generation later and she’s the Queen. Folks, please. This lack of critical thinking can’t go on forever.

miaqwmiaqu1 said:
Lots of my friends found their lovers through the service.

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And then promptly fell asleep?

Paul Westlake said:
I think she’s shrewd but uneducated and ignorant

We can’t all be like you Paul. You are a superior human being.

Paul Westlake said:
Now, I have skills.

Like writing smug, arrogant, yet incredibly ignorant comments. We know.

Paul Westlake said:
Her impact on NYC is minimal on her best day.

*News Flash* New York City is not America. It is actually a small part of it…very small. BTW, any city that votes for an asshole like Bloomberg is not considered conservative country. OK?

Paul Westlake said:
But I’m not worried about me as much as I am about the people who think she has their interests at heart,

We appreciate your heartfelt sympathy.

Paul Westlake said:
I engaged in debates with conservatives

Of course you do. BTW, David Brooks, David Frum and David Gergen are not conservatives.

Paul Westlake said:
This lack of critical thinking can’t go on forever.

Yet somehow you’ve made it this far.

I’m sorry, but that must be a Sarah Palin impersonator. Bristol made it clear to Jay Leno on Friday that her mother was out hunting caribou.

Oh wait, you don’t think that was to counter the Vanity Fair article in which several people from Wasilla reinforced Levi Johnston’s remark that Sarah Palin doesn’t actually hunt?

CatM said:
I’m sorry, but that must be a Sarah Palin impersonator…Bristol made it clear Friday

Exactly! Because everyone knows that bitch Hillary would never do that.

BTW, Sarah Palin didn’t do that on Friday, the show was taped days earlier. Below is a clip from the Glenn Beck radio show that explains it. LOL.

http://www.therightscoop.com/glenn-beck-sarah-palin-is-good-people

felixw said:
Yeah, we understand you Tony. Any site that deviates ever so slightly from the hate speech that is obviously your stock-in-trade is not one you want to read. I suggest you stick with Media Matters, where they regularly remove comments on the articles that aren’t in keeping with their (and your) extremist ideology. You will feel much more at home there. And we will be better off without your vacuous rants.

Honestly, I was not ALL THAT totally sure this was a Right Wing Delusional AgitProp Website.

Not until your post. Now I am sure.

Thanks for giving me the 411.

“We can’t all be like you Paul. You are a superior human being.”
Cute but sophist and irrelevant.

“*News Flash* New York City is not America. It is actually a small part of it…very small.”
Way to miss the point, which was: her policies won’t affect me in this very liberal and very large town, no matter how hard she tries. But more to the point, if you really believe NYC is so small, why do you care about an Islamic Center being built here so much? If NYC is such an insignificant part of America, why do all the kids from other States move here the first chance they get? I assure you I don’t think has anything to do with being any nearer to my “superior” humanity. 8.3 million people is more than double L.A., btw. We take up less space than the rest of you but somehow manage to pack a bigger punch. Go figure.

“Any city that votes for an asshole like Bloomberg is not considered conservative country. OK?”
Well, OK! You win this one! LOL!

“We appreciate your heartfelt sympathy.”
No you don’t. You think I’m an asshole who is trying to lord his smarts over you. Which is what you think about everything that doesn’t derive directly from your own experiences or from the PR machine that makes you feel safe in the wonderland of conservative ideology. My first post was snotty, in keeping with the tone of the conservative comments here. But the comment you chose to respond to was an honest appeal. I don’t think conservatives are stupid, but I do think you have blinders on: that identical scene, had it played out with Michelle Obama instead of Sarah Palin, would have been ripped as phony lies instantly by this crowd. Why can you recognize the liberal PR machines but not the conservative ones? PR is PR and they all use it. The reason I mentioned my 20+ years in the media is because I recognize a PR machine from a mile away, whoever is employing it. I don’t want to beat “you,” per se, I want you and I to beat the establishment that has been crushing our economy for decades. But we can’t start if we can’t agree on why it happened, or if all we can talk about is mosques and celebrity personalities. Sarah and the PR machines that she employs are part of that problem.

“Yet somehow you’ve made it this far.”
I’ll admit I deserved that jab when you can show me the critical thinking that led to your support for Sarah Palin. I just laid out the critical thinking that led to my opposition, including her lack of knowledge about basic civics. You want to debate, let’s rumble. That’s fine. That would at least be a start toward the critical thinking I see woefully absent on these boards. You wanna kick my ass and think you can? Then, by all means, please do. I’ve been waiting for more than a decade for a conservative argument that amounts to more than “stupid, naive liberals just DON’T GET IT!”

Also, Paul Westlake is my real name and I really live in Brooklyn. I’m not hiding behind anonymity like most of the people who lurk and flame the blogosphere. And I’m taking a risk because most of the people who tell me they hate my guts online are packing heat! And some of them would happily put a bullet in my head just for the fun of it (and you’d be surprised how many people are out here getting think-tank money just to post propaganda on blog pages… unless you’re one of them!). Since I’m just a skinny, straight, white guy, I probably wouldn’t get dragged behind a pick-up truck… but, hey, ya never know! ;-)

“Ohh I do your make-up don’t cha know. That should excuse my massive ignorance and support for policies and ideas that proven to be destructive, don’t cha know”

Tony Dias said:
Honestly, I was not ALL THAT totally sure this was a Right Wing Delusional AgitProp Website.

Not until your post. Now I am sure.

Thanks for giving me the 411.

Buddy, if you are looking for agitprop, read your own hate-speech post.

Some_Dude said:
That should excuse my massive ignorance and support for policies and ideas that proven to be destructive

That sounds like Obama–what video did you watch?

Azarkhan said:
Exactly! Because everyone knows that bitch Hillary would never do that. BTW, Sarah Palin didn’t do that on Friday, the show was taped days earlier. Below is a clip from the Glenn Beck radio show that explains it. LOL. http://www.therightscoop.com/glenn-beck-sarah-palin-is-good-people

Yeah, because Glenn Beck is just a bastion of integrity and truthiness.

I’ll pass, thanks. I prefer not to get my information from a paranoid schizophrenic or those who follow one.

Azarkhan said:
No. The message is that she is one of us.

Yeah, that’s the message, alright. You got that PR message loud and clear.

Now cast Michelle Obama in that same moment. Same message? You bet! You buying it? Not a chance!

Identical PR moments, both built on fantasy imagery. You wouldn’t believe Michelle’s heart was in it for a second, yet you are so thoroughly convinced of Sarah’s “rightness.” Critical thinking?

Paul Westlake said:
You think I’m an asshole who is trying to lord his smarts over you

Correction. I know you’re an asshole who thinks he’s more intelligent then Sarah Palin or anyone who supports her. How do I know this? Because I’ve dealt with assholes like you before, i.e., every pathetic leftist with an opinion.

Here is your homework assignment. Read the following article and try real hard to see if you are the type of person the writer is talking about. BTW, it’s the Wall St Journal, so it shouldn’t be beneath you. Go Yankees.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704147804575455523068802824.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion

CatM said:
I prefer not to get my information from a paranoid schizophrenic

I know. You prefer Keith Olbermann.

Paul Westlake said:
Now cast Michelle Obama in that same moment

Michelle Obama could never be a leader. She only started liking America in 2008, remember?

Paul Westlake said:
Sarah’s “rightness.” Yeah, that’s the message, alright

Thanks for reminding me!

The message is that she is one of us. That is why we love her. That is something the Left will never understand. Because the Left doesn’t want to be one of us. The Left thinks they are better than us.

“Correction. I know you’re an asshole who thinks he’s more intelligent then Sarah Palin or anyone who supports her. How do I know this? Because I’ve dealt with assholes like you before, i.e., every pathetic leftist with an opinion.”

Well, that’s what I get for being nice to an urchin. The only thing pathetic is watching ignorant slobs like you wax poetic about your stupidity while assigning “homework” to people who have consistently demonstrated superior writing and analytical skills, as well as a better grasp on facts. Sad.

Paul Westlake said:
ignorant slobs like you wax poetic about your stupidity…to people who have consistently demonstrated superior writing and analytical skills,

I say you are arrogant, and you keep proving my point. Paul Westlake, the gift that keeps on giving. Paul, do yourself a favor and read the article.

PS: I like the use of the word “urchin”. Perhaps too literary for this humble setting, but points for effort!

Oh such a nice person doing a make up—-this article is such a sham and so disgusting because you blogger are for sure convinced that she is a nice.. BULLS****T. Just another mockey of your lack of brain poser you bit into this one.

Meow!

“I say you are arrogant, and you keep proving my point.”

This from the lecturer that assigns homework and has used these phrases:

“I don’t expect arrogant leftist scum like you to comprehend what I write, so don’t show your ignorance by trying.”

“OK, you’ve had enough fresh air. Time to stick your head back up your ass.”

“Leftists, get a life! You are completely clueless when it comes to Sarah Palin or the conservative movement.”

“Wow Tony, you’re a real asshole.”

“Like writing smug, arrogant, yet incredibly ignorant comments.”

“Here is your homework assignment.”

Talk about the gift that keeps on giving. You label as “arrogant” a person who says things like, “I’ll admit I deserved that jab,” in order to insulate yourself from that very same criticism, which it’s blindingly obvious you suffer from. You’re arrogance is exceeded only by your inability to engage in a genuine debate.

And, btw, first rule for paid hacks, never engage with an opponent who gets it. Good grief, Charlie Brown.

Genius, I tells ya!

Paul, what I’ve learned from dealing with arrogant leftists is that you just have to slap the shit out of them. Sorry.

Azarkhan said:
Paul, what I’ve learned from dealing with arrogant leftists is that you just have to slap the shit out of them. Sorry.

OK, Zorro. Whatever you say. LOL

Good night Paul. Sleep tight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EoQVaQGXmM

Frances said: “Contrast this to the message about Palin we’ve been getting the rest of the week, especially from that scathing Vanity Fair profile”

You mena the article where the “writer” got caught lying.

Azarkhan said:
Good night Paul. Sleep tight.

Aw! Capt. America likes to tuck people into bed with a wittle bedtime stowy. That’s so special.

As Bugs would say, “what a maroon.”

Without reading all the comments, I’m assuming the trolls made their usual misogynist comments about Sarah Palin, then called everyone racists for making fun of President Jugears Al-Fucktard. Now you know why they love the gay Muslim communist traitor so much; he hates women, children and veterans as much as they do. Take a bow, trolls, and kiss my ass, then kiss your own asses goodbye this November.

Tammy Bruce: “…it [gay community] is certainly never a community that is associated with being uh…limp.”

http://www.palintv.com/2010/09/04/tammy-bruce-talks-to-goproud-chair-christopher-barron-september-3-2010/

possumdearie said:
Without reading all the comments, I’m assuming the trolls made their usual misogynist comments about Sarah Palin, then called everyone racists for making fun of President Jugears Al-Fucktard. Now you know why they love the gay Muslim communist traitor so much; he hates women, children and veterans as much as they do. Take a bow, trolls, and kiss my ass, then kiss your own asses goodbye this November.

If cons love women so much, why don’t they trust them with their own reproductive systems?

If cons love children so much, why did they vote against SCHIP?

If cons love veterans so much, why didn’t they adequately fund the Veterans Administration when they knew going to war would increase its workload?

Cons sure do have a funny way of showing their love and respect.

The people that think cons are a spring-break-style bunch of juvenile drunks do so mostly because of things like this: “President Jugears Al-Fucktard.” Congratulations! Youuuuu’re an idiot! LOL

Azarkhan you are an asshole big time—-and Paul keep up the good thoughts—Sometimes reading these blogs is like I am watching a Jerry Springer show—–sure a lot of hateful discource of this noxious misrepresentation against anyone that disgrees and think its a effective force in helping people understand the depth of the falsity that much of this reactionary blog baloney wallows in!!!!!!! I’m so glad the opening gates of the deceitful sarah is flooding the internet—-God will reveal the truth through good people!!!

kittycat said:
God will reveal the truth through good people!!!

Agree!

The use of vulgar language does not normally work well when expressing a point. It also serves to illustrate one’s inadequacies in conveying thought through writing. I may on occasion let my anger get the best of me when conveying a thought or formulating a response but I never feel adequate when I do so.

*linguical inadequacies.

kittycat said:
Azarkhan you are an asshole big time

LOL-thumbs up Kittycat!

The Real Royal King said:
Do you know if she uses her own application tools, or does she just borrow a snow shovel and a trowel from FOX maintenance?

I’ve seen some base comments on this site but I think YOU TRRK have taken the prize in making fun of a man who suffered enormous pain and disfigurement while serving his country–a MAN of the likes you shall NEVER be, who loves his God and loves his fellow man. I hope you never suffer such horrendous disfigurement because I doubt very seriously that you could ever be man enough to continue your life and go about doing good at each opportunity. You must truly be a despicable and sad excuse for a human being. SHAME on you

pyrope said:
I’ve seen some base comments on this site but I think YOU TRRK have taken the prize in making fun of a man who suffered enormous pain and disfigurement while serving his country–a MAN of the likes you shall NEVER be, who loves his God and loves his fellow man. I hope you never suffer such horrendous disfigurement because I doubt very seriously that you could ever be man enough to continue your life and go about doing good at each opportunity. You must truly be a despicable and sad excuse for a human being. SHAME on you

Amen pyyrope. TRRK is a real piece of work….

kittycat said:
Just another mockey of your lack of brain poser you bit into this one.

Genius. What is that, Romulan?

Paul Westlake said:
If cons love women so much, why don’t they trust them with their own reproductive systems?

If cons love children so much, why did they vote against SCHIP?

If cons love veterans so much, why didn’t they adequately fund the Veterans Administration when they knew going to war would increase its workload?

Cons sure do have a funny way of showing their love and respect.

If progressives love women and children so much, why are they so excited about having the one kill the other? Speaking of funny ways of showing love and respect…

It’s confirmed. What a selfish beyotch, she is. [/snark]

It is saving a lot of time having Beck talk about God and the Truth since these are just beliefs and who can argue about them? How many angels do dance on the head of a pin…or pin head?

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Pablo said:
If progressives love women and children so much, why are they so excited about having the one kill the other? Speaking of funny ways of showing love and respect…

Pablo said:
If progressives love women and children so much, why are they so excited about having the one kill the other? Speaking of funny ways of showing love and respect…

You answered my question with a question, which is rude and indicative of a lack of debate skills. But I won’t be as rude and will actually give an answer before asking you a bunch of shitty, sophist questions designed to make you look bad no matter how you answer… which you clearly prefer.

Democrats are “excited” to have women kill children? Um… no. We respect women and trust them with their own reproductive systems. Unlike cons who believe women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen. It’s no wonder the cons loves watching Sarah do makeup, it’s the side of women their comfortable with. Also, that she sounds like an idiot every time she opens her mouth is reassuring to a conservative man who’s masculinity is threatened by smart women. (Coming out of the closet is the real solution, but, shh! it’s a liberal secret!) Oh, and Liz Cheney isn’t smart, or strong, so don’t go there.

My turn. Why do you want to replace the Bill of Rights with the Ten Commandments? Why are you so excited to make America into a Christian Theocracy? Why do conservatives pretend to love the Constitution when they desperately want to abandon it in favor of Christian Law (aka, Sharia lite)? Why do cons pretend to love America when they threaten to make their States secede from it every few years? Why does Texas Governor Perry think it’s patriotic to threaten to leave the union, and why do so-called “patriots” like you support that obvious act of treason? And finally, how many sets of KKK robes do you still have in your closet? I realize they were probably your dad’s, but you hung onto them, so what’s up with that? Why did your kind kill Rev. King?

“it’s starting to become increasingly difficult as we approach November to tell apart the real Palin from the smear campaigns, or the real Palin from the propaganda.”

The people who keep trashing Sarah Palin are the same people who thought that Barack Obama was going to be the greatest president ever, or at least since Lincoln. He has given us annual fiscal deficits well over a trillion dollars and has no plan to bring them under control, and he and his clueless economic team have no idea of how to get the unemployment rate below 9%, a rate they never expected to see. Obama is a disaster as president. Why should we trust the judgment of the Obama cheerleaders about Palin (or anyone else) when their judgment about Obama was so completely wrong? (And if we need a bit more evidence of their lack of perception, we can always discuss John Edwards, the phony who was the VP nominee for the phony war hero John Kerry.)

Azarkhan said:
I know. You prefer Keith Olbermann.

Olbermann may be a narcissist, but at least he’s not a delusional, paranoid, schizophrenic like Glenn Beck. The condition runs in Beck’s family, Beck described himself in “Real America” as a “borderline schizophrenic,” and prior coworkers say he was definitely taking drugs for some sort of mental condition.

He exhibits classic signs–delusions of grandeur, extreme paranoia, God talking to him and sending “signs” like a flock of Geese flying over Washington DC in late August (something geese usually do), and fear of an impending apocalypse.

Beck tells people to wake up and complains that he doesn’t understand why “he’s the only one” saying the things that he says. It is because he is schizophrenic. His followers really do need to wake up. They are succumbing to the delusions of a very sick man.

He needs help, not a megaphone.

You kids out there, let Royal King be a lesson to you. Don’t go to private schools. You grow up to be a snobbish, elitist, hateful arrogant prick with no concept of the real world.

possumdearie said:
Without reading all the comments, I’m assuming the trolls made their usual misogynist comments about Sarah Palin, then called everyone racists for making fun of President Jugears Al-Fucktard. Now you know why they love the gay Muslim communist traitor so much; he hates women, children and veterans as much as they do. Take a bow, trolls, and kiss my ass, then kiss your own asses goodbye this November.

The fact that this gets 14 “tips” from commenters here should give Mediaite some pause about what kind of writing they are doing that attracks people who think this is a good comment, *regardless* of what side of the political spectrum they take part in.

Mediaite, sensible people are being driven away from this site because of the type of comments you allow through your filter (like pornographic ones accusing people’s wives of having sex with dogs). If you cannot police the comments better, you would be better off not having comments, like Andrew Sullivan’s Daily Dish.

This site has become a hatefest for all the conservatives who bond together and egg each other on in outdoing each other in their mysoginistic, homophobic, racist, violent viewpoints. It is really quite ugly.

CatM, it’s interesting you only point out conservative hate. Try going through the threads and checking out posts from Royal King, BFD, Iris, Roxy, Ted, real john, and others.

This is not a big deal. She did this bit of kindness as an employee of Fox, for a guest to be aired on one of Fox’s programs and in a studio built by Fox. How would she have looked if she had said, No! No! and No!? So this is no big thing.

In fact, true acts of kindness need not be advertised! So what was the purpose of advertising this little act of kindness? Propaganda! Image!

As I said, NO BIG DEAL! It’s all in the family. What more can be said!!!!!!

writer said:
CatM, it’s interesting you only point out conservative hate. Try going through the threads and checking out posts from Royal King, BFD, Iris, Roxy, Ted, real john, and others.

I have seen very little from people who are clearly advocating liberal positions that reflects the same level of hatred and disgusting comments I have seen by the conservative voices on this site, such as all liberals want people to have abortions or that they hate people for not having abortions. Or that their wives copulate with dogs.

Frankly, if the people on either side making comments like those imagine that it makes their arguments look more credible, they are delusional. And for Mediaite to allow those comments through its filter or to fail to provide a way to report such comments is a poor business decision.

There is no reasonable debate going on here, for the most part. There are a whole bunch of hateful squatters who band together to try to drive out any voice of reason that contradict their viewpoint. They don’t do it with facts, they do it with profanity, drivel, and ignorance.

Cat, I’d prefer debating facts too. But with the above mentioned left wingers, you’re not going to get it. And if you haven’t seen at least the same level of hatred and insults coming from them, you’re not looking very hard. For example, I’ve tried asking Royal King direct questions. Know what his usual reply is? “Giddyup.” How do you have reasonable debate with that?

writer said:
CatM, it’s interesting you only point out conservative hate. Try going through the threads and checking out posts from Royal King, BFD, Iris, Roxy, Ted, real john, and others.

One other point that I will make. When I see comments that are offensive in tone or context, I never give them a thumbs up, no matter who posts them or even what viewpoint they are supporting. And if ALL they have to say is something offensive, with NO substance, I give them a thumbs down. When I bother to come here at all.

The fact that 14 people on this site gave a thumbs up to calling the president of the United States “Jugears Al-Fucktard” and a “gay Muslim traitor,” is something Mediaite should be considering when they determine how to make this a credible, worthwhile news site.

No matter how much I disagreed with George Bush’s policies–and it was quite a lot–or how much I dislike Sarah Palin, I would never condone anyone calling them things like “Nazi” or using sexually derogatory labels.

To illustrate, I was once approached at a rally by a man giving out bumper stickers that suggested George Bush was a cocaine user. Not only did I not take one, I lectured him on how wrong that was. Even if George Bush had done cocaine in his youth–something that has never been proven–that had nothing to do with why we should oppose his policies. Further, it’s not like there are not good people of all political backgrounds who have made the mistake of using illegal drugs in their past and recovered. I find it offensive to act like people who overcame that type of problem should be forever painted as unworthy or bad people.

And I find it offensive that people here act like their political beliefs and the anonominity of the Internet give them license to abandon any pretense at being a decent human being and to view people with such vitriol and hatred. And that is a sentiment that is far more evident on the right than on the left, whether you like it or not. One need only look at the majority of newscasters, pundits, talk show hosts, politicians and personalities from the right and compare them to those on the left to see how clear it is which side has turned ugly hatred into a mainstream commodity.

There is no equivalency here. The left has a few bad apples, while the right only has a few good apples in a whole barrel of rotten ones.

writer said:
Cat, I’d prefer debating facts too. But with the above mentioned left wingers, you’re not going to get it. And if you haven’t seen at least the same level of hatred and insults coming from them, you’re not looking very hard. For example, I’ve tried asking Royal King direct questions. Know what his usual reply is? “Giddyup.” How do you have reasonable debate with that?

Please tell me how “giddyup” is somehow the equivalent of “Jugears Al-Fucktard.”

Cat, time prevents me from quoting all the vitriol and hateful comments coming from the left. They’re on here. All you have to do is look. One time, BFD, a rabid left winger, even laughed when Michelle F., a conservative poster, mentioned that her husband had died. But Cat, your mind seems to be made up already.

writer said:
Cat, time prevents me from quoting all the vitriol and hateful comments coming from the left. They’re on here. All you have to do is look. One time, BFD, a rabid left winger, even laughed when Michelle F., a conservative poster, mentioned that her husband had died. But Cat, your mind seems to be made up already.

It is not a question of my mind being made up. You haven’t even really considered what I said. I am sure you could cherry pick and find a few quotes from the left that are as horrible as those regularly coming from the right, but this thread is a case in point. The majority of quotes that a reasonable, objective human being would consider offensive in this thread are clearly associated with people espousing conservative viewpoints. And that is common on EVERY political thread that gets started at Mediaite.

The majority of ugly comments that get multiple recommendations are also the ones espousing conservative viewpoints. While BFD may have made some ugly comment, I will bet money that it had very few “Thumbs up” and a whole lot more “Thumbs down.” Because liberals just don’t support hate speech, for the most part, and we don’t condone it even when other liberals use it.

Whereas all the ugly conservative comments here directed AT liberals get major thumbs up that far outnumber the thumbs down. Why is that? A lot of conservatives apparently like to encourage that kind of speech against liberals and want to encourage it.

I acknowledged that there may be a few rotten apples on the left but that they are generally not nearly as wormy as the ones posting crap here from the right nor are there as many. And that is likely because most reasonable liberals (like myself) can only take so much of the rancid comments before they decide to check back in a few weeks or a month to see if anything has changed.

But I am sure conservatives like it that way, having their very own vitriol-filled echo chamber. That is why they watch Fox “News,” and listen to Rush Limbaugh.

If you cannot acknowledge simple facts, then I would agree that there is little point in discussing this. Your false equivalency just doesn’t work.

And Cat, when you start out with a given that most conservatives are violent, ignorant, mysoginistic, homophobic racists, I think that puts a crimp in reasonable debate going on from there. It’s like starting the questioning with “Have you stopped beating your wife?”

CatM said:
If you cannot police the comments better, you would be better off not having comments

The problem with censorship (imo-that’s what you’re suggesting) is who is going to decide what is censored and by what rules. This site leans far to left for me and the only reason I come here is that comments are not censored. I do the same as you with thumbs up or down, judging by the content not the name.

You can censor comments yourself. You should know by now who should be skipped. Hell, just thumbs down ‘em and scroll to the next. You don’t have to read them.

I could have just posted that last sentence.

far too left

murf said:
One last thing: Obama hasn’t held a real job on his life. He is a product of affirmative action and political donations. Palin has worked her way to the top and can relate with the common day worker. Conservatives need to stop being afraid to support her.

And conservatives wonder why people think they are racist.

The notion that a black person could only become accomplished through affirmative action is incredibly racist. As most experts on racial relations in the United States will tell you, being black is associated with far more hindrances in the United States than “affirmative action” benefits.

Researchers did a study once, where they gave the same resumes to employers, with some having names more commonly associated with black communities and others having names that were ambiguous. Employers were more likely to call the ambiguous-sounding names in for an interview. They also found that when employers interviewed the job candidates, the white candidates were more likely to get hired.

In another case, they sent the same resumes, which had the same names, and attached a photo of a black person or a white person wearing the same outfit. They received far more calls asking for interviews of the white job applicants than the black ones.

Other studies have shown that although more white people commit drug crimes, black people are more likely to get arrested. Although more white people are on welfare, black people are more often the target of politicians/pundits decrying welfare.

Black juvenile offenders are also more likely to get incarcerated, while white juvenile offenders are more likely to get probation–even when the crimes committed by the white juvenile offenders are more severe.

Studies of teachers (black and white teachers) show that they are more likely to identify photos of white students positively than black students.

Even studies of doctors have identified that white doctors are less likely to give the same level of care to black patients.

Generally, black candidates are less likely to get elected than white candidates, which is why there are so few in Congress or as governors.

The idea that being black is an advantage in a presidential election in the United States is laughable. Do you really think that if Barack Obama was a white man named Barry Henry Obama, Fox “News” and the conservatives would be hating on him as much or that Glenn Beck would be calling him a “racist” or say he was “unAmerican”?

If you believe that, then let me tell you about this bridge I have for sale…

writer said:
And Cat, when you start out with a given that most conservatives are violent, ignorant, mysoginistic, homophobic racists, I think that puts a crimp in reasonable debate going on from there. It’s like starting the questioning with “Have you stopped beating your wife?”

Actually, it’s not like that–unless the evidence actually shows the person has been beating the wife, like she’s been to the emergency room a few times and he’s said very violent things toward her within earshot of others.

It’s not my fault that the loudest members of your movement routinely display how much they dislike homosexuals (or are intolerant of them) and poor people or advocate for violence. If you say that is not the majority of conservatives these days, then you should really find new people to represent your party because the ones with the loudest voices are giving your movement a very bad name.

All presidents have been ‘hated on’. The left just tell themselves that with Obama, it’s because of his race and not his policies. As for racial discussions, I’ve often asked our left wingers why it is that if a white person hates Jews and supports segregation, he’s a racist. But the black Muslims also hate Jews and are for segregation, but people on the left would rather take a beating than to say that the black Muslims are racist. Never have gotten an answer on what the difference is.

StandUp said:
The problem with censorship (imo-that’s what you’re suggesting) is who is going to decide what is censored and by what rules. This site leans far to left for me and the only reason I come here is that comments are not censored. I do the same as you with thumbs up or down, judging by the content not the name. You can censor comments yourself. You should know by now who should be skipped. Hell, just thumbs down ‘em and scroll to the next. You don’t have to read them. I could have just posted that last sentence.

Generally, when something is privately owned, the owners have the right to filter or “censor” the comments that are made. Most people agree to some level of censorship, which is why you do not see such vile comments in a printed newspaper.

I believe that Internet news sites should take a similar approach to print publications in deciding which comments have editorial merit. I believe that would vastly improve the integrity of the sites.

I have no doubt that a lot of people come here because it is not censored and it is anonymous and they can spew whatever vile, venomous hatred is eating away at them without being held accountable. In addition, they can even come here and find SUPPORT for their ugly sentiments, which gives them a perverse pleasure, I am sure.

The sad thing is that even if Mediaite had a community moderation system in place like other sites, where the visitors could vote on whether a comment should be readily visible or whether one has to click to read it, the number of people encouraging hate speech on this site would ensure that all the hateful conservative posts remain visible while all the liberal posts–hateful or reasonable–would be hidden.

Does this simply mean that conservatives dominate society? That they dominate the Internet? Or that they dominate only this site? I think it is probably the latter.

Does Mediaite want people coming here because they want the freedom to air their black hearts or does it want people coming here for news and thoughtful discussion? I think that is up to them.

writer said:
All presidents have been ‘hated on’. The left just tell themselves that with Obama, it’s because of his race and not his policies. As for racial discussions, I’ve often asked our left wingers why it is that if a white person hates Jews and supports segregation, he’s a racist. But the black Muslims also hate Jews and are for segregation, but people on the left would rather take a beating than to say that the black Muslims are racist. Never have gotten an answer on what the difference is.

First, Judaism is not a race. Hating Jews is anti-semitic, not racism.

Yes, all presidents are “hated” on, but surely you can see the difference between the level and depth of the hatred and the way it is expressed. Calling the president “unAmerican”? Something like 30% of republicans ina Pew poll said they think Obama supports the goals and objectives of radical Islam. You don’t think that’s because of his race and name? You think if he were a white guy named Barry Smith that anybody would be asking about his birth certificate or questioning his statement that he’s a Christian? Or suggesting that he doesn’t care about fighting the War on Terror or doesn’t care about our troops?

There is certainly absolutely NOTHING in his actions that suggests any of those things are true. It is all manufactured by people who know that there are large numbers of ignorant, uneducated, fearful people in this country who are ready to accept the view that foreigners and dark-skinned people want to put white people in FEMA camps.

There is a reason why the majority of people in the Tea Party are white. There is a reason why there are no black Republicans in Congress and have not been any since 2003.

Now, you said nobody has ever tried to answer your question, so I will do my best (though I have doubts you will understand).

Racism is typically defined as thinking one race is inherently superior to another. In other words, if you had a black and white person who were identical, a racist would view the white person as better. Institutional racism is about one group using its power to suppress another race or treat another race worse because of their race.

White people who want segregation want to do so because they want to exert their power over black people and force them to be separate. There is no such thing as separate but equal, as the Supreme Court has affirmed.

Black colleges or black magazines or organizations for blacks are almost never centered around the idea of banding together to enforce the superiority of blacks over whites but rather to create a sense of community over a shared minority status. It is the same reason why you have church groups or women’s organizations or even “Mothers Against Drunk Driving.”

In other words, black community organizations are not about believing you have the right to have power over another race of people because your skin color/heritage makes you superior to people of that group.

It is difficult for the race that has less power to practice racism against the race that has more power. When black magazines, for example, say “black is beautiful,” they are generally not saying “black is more beautiful than white and white is ugly.” Which is what white supremacists do say the reverse of.

There are black people who hate white people because they are white. But unlike whites’ racism against black people, this generally has emerged as a response to what they feel the white power structure has done to them and to their race. It is not springing out of nowhere, as white racism did, based on the inherent superiority of being a certain race.

Finally, I do think that people on the left call out anti-semitism no matter who espouses it.

nohype says: “…the phony war hero John Kerry.)

Nohype, you need to change your name here to nofacts.

The swiftboat campaign has been exposed as a smear campaign, a VERY successful smear campaign.

So Cat, using your logic, when Hitler was young he wasn’t a racist because he had no power. He had the hatred against others, but because he had no power over the existing structure, he still wasn’t a racist. If nothing else, the way the left bends and twists and contorts to explain away black racism is amusing.

CatM says: “I believe that Internet news sites should take a similar approach to print publications in deciding which comments have editorial merit. I believe that would vastly improve the integrity of the sites.”

With all due respect, CatM, I disagree. Comment anarchy does two things: it allows a full expression of ones views and allows the insertion of URLs that might lend support for those views, AND it allows readers to see just how well (or poorly) the partisans express themselves.

I think that the right-wing vulgarity that is seen on Mediaite conveys a lot about the kinds of people who are opposing this President and conversely supporting the likes of a rodeo clown like Glenn Beck.

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/

And mocking things such as the death of someone’s husband, or the death of Tony Snow, or Dick Cheney’s heart attack, demonstrates the right has nothing on the left when it comes to hatred.

Finally, a position Sarah Palin is qualified to hold.

writer said:
So Cat, using your logic, when Hitler was young he wasn’t a racist because he had no power. He had the hatred against others, but because he had no power over the existing structure, he still wasn’t a racist. If nothing else, the way the left bends and twists and contorts to explain away black racism is amusing.

No, that is not using my logic. That is using your warped interpretation of my logic. First of all, Hitler’s hatred of Jewish people is called anti-semitism, not racism.

Second, by virtue of being born into the group with the power (ie, white non-Jewish Germans), Hitler was representative of that power structure. I told you that you would not be able to understand it.

There is no need to “bend and twist” to explain “black racism,” because “black racism” as you describe it does not exist.

writer said:
And mocking things such as the death of someone’s husband, or the death of Tony Snow, or Dick Cheney’s heart attack, demonstrates the right has nothing on the left when it comes to hatred.

Are you being deliberately obtuse? I am wondering, because the comparisons you make are such blatant examples of false equivalency. It is like you are equating Charles Manson with Adolf Hitler.

The sparse number of offensive comments made by liberals on this site (1) get downrated more than they get uprated; (2) occur with far less frequency than offensive comments by conservatives; (3) are more often directed at a specific individual rather than entire groups of people; and (4) are typically less offensive and overtly shocking than those made by conservatives.

Conversely, the large number of offensive comments made by conservatives on this site are (1) more often uprated than downrated; (2) occur with more frequency than offensive comments made by liberals; (3) are directed at individuals but also at entire groups of people, like minorities, Muslims, gay people, other liberals, union members, etc.; and (4) are typically far more offensive and peurile, containing violent rhetoric, excessive profanity, obscene sexual implications, and more.

You would do your ideological group far more credit if you denounced those types of comments and advocated downrating them by all–as I did, regardless of what political spectrum such comments fall on–rather than continuing to try to defend them by saying, “Well, the other side does it, too.”

GlennBeckReview said:
CatM says: “I believe that Internet news sites should take a similar approach to print publications in deciding which comments have editorial merit. I believe that would vastly improve the integrity of the sites.” With all due respect, CatM, I disagree. Comment anarchy does two things: it allows a full expression of ones views and allows the insertion of URLs that might lend support for those views, AND it allows readers to see just how well (or poorly) the partisans express themselves. I think that the right-wing vulgarity that is seen on Mediaite conveys a lot about the kinds of people who are opposing this President and conversely supporting the likes of a rodeo clown like Glenn Beck. http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/

I don’t know. Huffington Post does not have “comment anarchy,” and yet it manages to let a diverse number of opinions through the filter, including those with URLs, etc.

I agree with your latter point. I really think people like Glenn Beck and the Tea Party movement deliberately cultivate fear of black people and the “other” to cultivate support. People who share a sense of persecution are more likely to band together and seek leadership that promises to protect them, which is why it helps those would-be leaders to reinforce racial fears or other aspects of paranoia far more prevalent in certain demographics/regions.

Sarah Palin’s career would be over in half an hour in a jumble of word salad gibberish were she ever to appear on “Meet the Press”, “Face the Nation” or “This Week.”

And doesn’t have enough palms and Sharpies to appear in that press conference she’s never had since her 2008 nomination.

“Fox News: Sarah Palin is an idiot ”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5BXMv64EfU

CatM said:
This site has become a hatefest for all the conservatives who bond together and egg each other on in outdoing each other in their mysoginistic, homophobic, racist, violent viewpoints. It is really quite ugly.

What a joke. You say you want to raise the level of the conversation. Yet all you do is toss out insults. And to top it off you want the site to censor the posts that you don’t like.

The sad thing is that this is standard operating procedure for the left nowadays: spew out hate speech, and then try to censor others.

CatM said:
Yes, all presidents are “hated” on, but surely you can see the difference between the level and depth of the hatred and the way it is expressed. Calling the president “unAmerican”?

Wake up Cat, and check out the names tossed out by the left against President Bush. “Un-American” is mild by comparison.

In general, your race-card playing is tired and unconvincing. People have very good reason for opposing this President. Starting with the economy, unemployment, deficits, foreign policy, etc.

CatM has been the model of a thoughtful and respectful commentator, and felixw and writer continue to hammer away at false equivalencies, using deliberately disrespectful language like, “wake up” and “what a joke.”

Describing the impact of a person’s expressed opinions is not the equivalent of a personal insult – because peoples’ character may not be obvious, but the impact of their viewpoints is. But that doesn’t matter to the sophist, who want to insult with impunity while claiming the mantle of victim for slights that never happened. I don’t recall any famous “news” personalities accusing Bush of a “deep-seated hatred” toward black people. When Kanye West called Bush out as a racist, even 50 Cent shot back that it was going too far. 50 Cent!

CatM’s words seem like a genuine effort to create an atmosphere where people with opposing views can actually stop yelling past each other and take enough time to hash out the facts that support our positions, and thereby, perhaps, find some common ground, or at least the true sources of the disagreements. But the response to CatM has been just another disappointment. Too many partisans just want to win for their side, or have an agenda that they know would preclude a meeting of the minds, like repealing the 14th Amendment or banning abortion for rape and incest. Too many people believe America was once a pure place that has been corrupted by high-minded liberals and their drug-addled ways – nevermind the massive drug problem across the South and Midwest. Too many people believe unions have a stranglehold on the economy and the voting machines, nevermind the 30-year decline in union membership and the fact that the machines are owned by neo-con-run corporations with extensive connections to the GOP, like ES&S and Diebold. Nevermind the evidence all around, CatM is to be attacked, laughed off, ridiculed as having a standard operating procedure that includes “race-card playing.” And in so doing, you have illustrated with crystal clarity and laser precision the very point that CatM was raising in the first place.

You demand that liberals look at themselves while refusing to do the same, demand that liberals behave by a code laid down by conservatives, while pretending that you suffer from the same, and blame liberals for the economic destruction wrecked by your own favorite party while the rank-and-file was being distracted by social issue bogeymen. You keep voting for the instruments of your own destruction because your hatred for the fantastic image of liberalism that has been propagandized across the globe by massive, neo-con-owned media empires, from Clearchannel to Newscorp, has convinced you that ideological purity is more important than survival itself. (You can hold up MSNBC all you want, but GE also owns CNBC and Kudlow alone makes up for the entire MSNBC primetime lineup!) And anyone who tries to dissuade you from that point of view is the enemy – always has been, always will be. No matter what. If we aren’t on board with magical history tour, we’re subhuman scum, unworthy of basic courtesy, let alone respect. And you accuse liberals of all the very things you are truly guilty of as a mask for your anti-social ideology. The fact that people like CatM make the effort shows their humanity. The fact that you stomp on it every chance you get, tells us all we need to know about yours.

felixw said:
What a joke. You say you want to raise the level of the conversation. Yet all you do is toss out insults. And to top it off you want the site to censor the posts that you don’t like. The sad thing is that this is standard operating procedure for the left nowadays: spew out hate speech, and then try to censor others.

If you cannot see the difference between anything I have said and telling someone their wife has sex with dogs or calling the president “Jugears Al Fucktard” and a “terrorist,” then responding to you further is pointless.

The fact that conservatives on this site make a lot of mysoginistic, racist, homophobic statements is not the same thing as saying that all conservatives are mysoginistic, racist, and homophobic. Furthermore, they actually do make most of the hateful comments on this site, many of which are along those lines.

As for censorship of “speech I don’t like,” I would counter that it has nothing to do with what I like or don’t like but rather what is productive for a healthy debate. I have no problem with people expressing views that I don’t share.

The current level of discourse here leaves much to be desired, however, and too many people ignore the very standards of human decency. If you wouldn’t use such langauge in a discussion with a colleague of opposing views at work, perhaps you should reconsider using it here.

Paul Westlake said:
CatM has been the model of a thoughtful and respectful commentator

Clearly you can’t tell the difference between presenting an opinion and dishing out insults. All Cat does is shout out names — mysoginist! racist! homophobe! etc. etc. Maybe both of you need to take class in debating techniques and learn the difference between debate and ad hominem attacks.

Here’s a place to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

“An ad hominem (Latin: “to the man”), also known as argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to link the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise, etc.” Sound familiar, Cat?

felixw said:
Here’s a place to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

“An ad hominem (Latin: “to the man”), also known as argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to link the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise, etc.”

Yeah, no. Wikipedia is NOT a good place to start. Let’s go to Merriam-Websters shall we:

ad ho·mi·nem
   /æd ˈhɒmənəm ‐ˌnɛm, ɑd-/ Show Spelled[ad hom-uh-nuhm ‐nem, ahd-]
–adjective
1. appealing to one’s prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one’s intellect or reason.
2. attacking an opponent’s character rather than answering his argument.

Yeah, that definitely sounds more like the ad hominem my teachers taught me in high school.

felixw said:
All Cat does is shout out names — mysoginist! racist! homophobe! etc. etc.

No she doesn’t. She didn’t call anyone a name, other than “conservatives,” in this:

CatM said:
This site has become a hatefest for all the conservatives who bond together and egg each other on in outdoing each other in their mysoginistic, homophobic, racist, violent viewpoints.

She did call out the “mysoginistic, homophobic, racist, violent viewpoints” so prevalent on these boards, but definitely no trace of ad hominem, according to the proper definition. I’ll let CatM re-explain it to you herself:

CatM said:
The fact that conservatives on this site make a lot of mysoginistic, racist, homophobic statements is not the same thing as saying that all conservatives are mysoginistic, racist, and homophobic.

As far as taking classes, Professor, if you had the kind of education you profess, you wouldn’t be defending anti-social behavior that can only have a destructive impact on legitimate debate, unless you’re in the top 10% of wealth-holders in America that benefit from setting the lower classes against each other in meaningless culture wars. If that’s the case, bully for you for looking out for you narrow, individual interests, but I’m going to continue to speak out for mine and for those that don’t fit your elitist profile.

Paul, calling someone a misogynistic, homophobic, racist is a string of insults, not the presentation of a reasoned debating point. I have sympathy with Cat when she complains about people using obscenity and name-calling in their posts. But she undermines her credibility when she follows it up with name-calling of her own, and then demands censorship of comments of people with political views opposed to hers.

You can’t have it both ways. You can try to promote reasonable discussion here or you can toss out insulting names against those with who you disagree. Take your pick. But don’t play the race card, and then complain about the tone of the discussion. That’s hypocrisy plain and simple and — yes! — a classic example of an ad hominem argument.

felixw said:
Paul, calling someone a misogynistic, homophobic, racist is a string of insults…

Yes it is. That’s not what CatM said. She said many statements and viewpoints are misogynistic, homophobic, and racist. There really is a difference. You can play obtuse all you want but you won’t win on that point.

felixw said:
…she undermines her credibility when she follows it up with name-calling of her own, and then demands censorship of comments of people with political views opposed to hers.

That would indeed undermine her credibility significantly, IF she was name-calling, which she wasn’t. She also didn’t call for censorship of opinion, she wondered aloud if censorship of ad hominem attacks would be a good idea for this site. She used Huffington Post, which has zapped my liberal stuff way more than I’ve seen them zap neo-con snark, yet has a rep for being relatively fair, despite their openly liberal slant, as an example. Her point couldn’t have been more clear, yet you choose to take the sophist approach and infer meanings that don’t even really stand up to scrutiny. And, as usual, you accuse others of the very thing you are trying to do yourself – having it both ways. You want to lash out with lies and half-truths, revisions and distortions, wrap it all up with a vitriolic flourish meant to demean and dehumanize your opponents, then hide behind a victim complex that accuses anyone who merely defends themselves from your aggression as the next anti-Christ. You’re a wolf in sheep’s clothing, a bearer of false witness, and a divine fool to think you can so easily pass yourself off as the aggrieved soul here.

CatM said:
The idea that being black is an advantage in a presidential election in the United States is laughable. Do you really think that if Barack Obama was a white man named Barry Henry Obama, Fox “News” and the conservatives would be hating on him as much or that Glenn Beck would be calling him a “racist” or say he was “unAmerican”?

If Obama were a white guy with his same weak resume, and record of flip flops and gaffes, he wouldn’t be President.

CatM said:
And conservatives wonder why people think they are racist.

The notion that a black person could only become accomplished through affirmative action is incredibly racist.

No, conservatives wonder why expressing opinions that have nothing to do with race or being racist are called racist.

I don’t think Conservative believe that black people need affirmative action to become successful. I think they believe it is somewhat racist to think that they can’t succeed without it, and need affirmative action.

That said, Obama benefited from Affirmative Action in school, in the IL congress and in the Presidential election. If you don’t agree, you weren’t paying attention.

OK so… has anyone (but me) noticed how soft and sweet Faux “news” has become of late? Could it be that they actually read what we say about them (OH Rupert… you smelly way past dead vampire). But if they are … I mean actually… . listening….. do they know that we….. know about “stacking the deck?” “Stacking the deck” is when a huckster tells you …. Truth-truth-truth-big ole fat lie then-truth-truth-truth. It’s an ole carney trick and always works. But it stops being effective when folks know about it. Sorry Rupert (and Glen). We are not as dumb as you hope we are (close but not actually AS dumb as you hope) and every day we get a little smarter.

CatM said:
I agree with your latter point. I really think people like Glenn Beck and the Tea Party movement deliberately cultivate fear of black people and the “other” to cultivate support.

So, you didn’t see the Restoring Honor rally, then?

There is not enough make up on the planet to cover the lies that come out of Glenn Beck’s mouth.

Help unmask this deceitful, hypocritical charlatan: please share this URL.

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com

Oh brother. I always get to the thread after its been transformed into a mud slingling contest and all the best shots have been taken.

To Tony Dias. I don’t think anyone is going to believe that you were a lawyer before or after the break down. Now if you hate this site (which I would classifly as liberal/left slanted) then the best remedy is to not visit. Just a suggestion.

About the subject of the thread. I love this. Its an example of the kind of person Sarah Palin is. Suck it lefties! ;)

Paul, following your advice, I could say that your comment was idiotic, stupid, debased, vile, insulting, asinine and pathetic. But, by your definition, I have not insulted you, since none of those adjectives were directed at you, only at your comment.

Maybe you can show us how 2+2=5 on your next post.

felixw said:
Paul, following your advice, I could say that your comment was idiotic, stupid, debased, vile, insulting, asinine and pathetic. But, by your definition, I have not insulted you, since none of those adjectives were directed at you, only at your comment.

Yes, you can say my comment was “idiotic, stupid, debased, vile, insulting, asinine and pathetic” without insulting me directly (though I think you meant “debasing,” not debased – debased is what you did to it, and I’m not judging that, just talking about grammar and usage). Yes, buddy, yes, yes, a thousand times yes! You can insult the IDEAS I put out all you want. Nobody has a monopoly on all the good ideas and even though we’re all egoists (I’m big enough to admit, at least), I’m aware that I’m not perfect or infallible. I don’t mind the occasional zinger or heavy put-down when they’re based on facts and attacking my POSITIONS, as opposed to my character. The character assassination on these boards has become an art form, but the cons around here are mystified when the very same vitriol gets leveled at them, as though they’ve been nothing but angels the entire time. You get what you give. When I see the kind of vile attacks that appear regularly around here, you bet I’m gonna get my comment noticed with some well-placed attacks of my own. Sure, I can be nasty, but I think it’s obvious that I’m eager to tone it down when the sentiment is reciprocated.

felixw said:
Maybe you can show us how 2+2=5 on your next post.

Because this little zinger at the end is precisely what I mean. Can’t you try to make a point without the condescension? I’m not trying to be cute here. I’m serious. If you want to reach me, and if I want to reach you, we both have to be willing to set aside the nastiness.

What worries me is that there are people floating around these boards that have a vested interest in preventing people who are genuinely engaged on the issues from finding common ground. But the only way to distinguish those people from the others that are here on their own time expressing their own thoughts is through the hack pattern of consistently trying to break apart any points of agreement. And the way to flush those people out is by aggressively calling out their hysteria in even more vitriolic terms than they can muster. If you check out the “Sarah Palin: Makeup Artist” thread, you can see FearMonger getting more and more hysterical with every post. I’m pretty well convinced he’s a paid hack… or wants to be. Paid hacks don’t walk away, because their paychecks depend on winning. So I can probably keep FearMonger in a hysterical feedback loop for the rest of his natural born days, if I want. But I’m not commenting here to get my kicks pissing on cons (I’m really not that cynical, believe it or not), I’m commenting to counter the bigoted lies and personal epithets that do nothing to enhance our civic understanding. And, unfortunately, Felix, I see your comments right in that mix. I’m not accusing you of being a paid hack, because you actually strike me as coming from the heart… for whatever that’s worth. Maybe I have it all backwards. I’ve only been rooting around here seriously for about a week now so I don’t know all the personalities that well… yet. ;-)

If you’re truly interested in seeing everyone tone down the nastiness, then let us both be an example to others together. I think you’ll notice I avoided any snide remarks in this comment. I put the ball in your court with a nice easy lob. You can spike it if you want, it’s an easy point. Or we can try to find that higher road together. I’m ready, willing, and able.

Your move. ;-)

Uh, Paul check the definition of debased, which means adulterated, diluted with contaminants. But I especially enjoyed how you followed up your pompous display of verbal knowledge that you don’t possess with a complaint about condescension. This is really too choice for words.

Still, the bottom line here is unchanged: Cat tossed out insults, and no amount of spinning on your part can turn them into a reasoned perspective. As I said, I have sympathy with her complaint about comments filled with profanity and name-calling. But she is no position to take the high ground, when she immediately plays the race card and tosses out a host of other insults, along with a plea to Mediaite to censor the comments she find objectionable.

Oh, come on, Felix. Your usage in that string is unorthodox at best. Debasing made more sense because I thought you were referring to the effect OF the words (as with the other adjectives in that string), not the affect ON the words (which your usage of debased in that context means). I’ve been writing for stage and screen for more than two decades. My father was a critically acclaimed novelist with more than a hundred books to his credit. I know how to write and I know how to infer from context. However, I will admit to being to quick to infer a meaning at times and that I hadn’t considered the usage you intended for debased.

But, the bottom line for me HAS changed as a result of your last reply. You saw the effort I put into that comment, you saw me trying to reach out to you, and you slapped my hand away. You could have given me the benefit of the doubt regarding “debased,” but you consciously chose not to. You could have been the “bigger” man, but you chose to be the petty one. Whether you’re a paid hack or not makes no difference to me. YOU are part of the problem in American civics – not your ideology, your methodology. And THAT is something I cannot respect… ever. America is a nation of process, not outcome. You just want the outcome you want, let the process be damned. Well, that’s not just un-American, it’s anti-American, and I’m going to call you out on it whenever I see it from now on. But I’m not playing semantic games with you anymore. You’re wrong, period.

Paul, I am happy to have a truce.

felixw said:
Paul, I am happy to have a truce.

I don’t want to slap your hand away if it’s honestly being extended but I don’t have a lot of faith in that right now.

I’m not going to stalk you on these boards or anything (trust me, just the one comment from earlier today) but… we’ll see. ;-)

magicbeans says: “About the subject of the thread. I love this. Its an example of the kind of person Sarah Palin is. Suck it lefties! ;)”

No one I know disputes that she’s a good make up artist and willing participant in this country’s movement to march backward, Glenn Beck and the Tea Party.

I look forward to listening to her try to hold her own in debates before the Republican primaries in 2011. It’ll beat watching stand-up comedy on Comedy Central; I’m sure.

Darn isn’t this blog better without the flying monkey boys? I would rather listen to any well formed cra* than their foul mouthed mental fecal matter. Thank you guys for actually having something to say.

KMLake said:
Darn isn’t this blog better without the flying monkey boys? I would rather listen to any well formed cra* than their foul mouthed mental fecal matter. Thank you guys for actually having something to say.

I can get on board with that! ;-)

CatM said:
If you cannot see the difference between anything I have said and telling someone their wife has sex with dogs or calling the president “Jugears Al Fucktard” and a “terrorist,” then responding to you further is pointless. The fact that conservatives on this site make a lot of mysoginistic, racist, homophobic statements is not the same thing as saying that all conservatives are mysoginistic, racist, and homophobic. Furthermore, they actually do make most of the hateful comments on this site, many of which are along those lines. As for censorship of “speech I don’t like,” I would counter that it has nothing to do with what I like or don’t like but rather what is productive for a healthy debate. I have no problem with people expressing views that I don’t share. The current level of discourse here leaves much to be desired, however, and too many people ignore the very standards of human decency. If you wouldn’t use such langauge in a discussion with a colleague of opposing views at work, perhaps you should reconsider using it here.

Yep Cat, I call them the slavering flying monkey boys (as in the Wizard of Oz). The jabber, gibber and throw their mental fecal matter because, other than bullying others and saying foul-mouthed insults about people whose shoes they aren’t fit to lick, they’ve got nothing more to say. Cowardly too as they hide behind a computer screen to spew while typing with one hand. I produced the following for their benefit, and it might help you fight the good fight also:

The psychosocial roots of bullying, including abusive language, slurs and flaming online (but also physically violent behavior, terrorism and terroristic behavior and even insanity and suicide or murder):

For decades we have known that people who are compelled to abuse others have problems. A compassionate view is difficult when one observes bullying behavior in another person. It raises the hackles. All the anger at willful mistreatment of another person who is simply expressing their view… makes me want to hit back with the very huge mean streak I seek always to suppress. It’s even more overwhelming in its ferocity (and therefore even more shameful) because I know that abusers and especially those who hide behind the internet are damaged but want (even need) to damage or silence others through cheap shots, foul language and insult.

For me this just pokes my inner pit-bull and makes me rain down cruel words to let them know they shouldn’t have come to a gun fight armed with a pen knife. I am not proud of it, though I will admit that I get a bit of a thrill when I identify the soft flesh of a weak man without the intellectual capacity to participate in reasoned discourse.

So… for my conscience’s sake I will say this that research shows bullies of any type either are (select one or several … whichever apply):

1.abuse victims who only feel powerful when they attack others
2.socio-paths without the ability to actually “see” other human beings
3.chemically dependent and unable to inhibit behaviors that are negative
4.brain damaged specifically in the prefrontal region and this limits their ability to judge consequences or use good judgment (could be birth defect like fetal alchohol syndrome, trauma, disease or another cause)
5.have serious doubts about their masculinity and are so traumatized by this they display behaviors that they mistakenly think reinforce their masculinity
6.Have some major physical deformity or physiological dysfunction of which they are deeply ashamed and angry.
7.Or have experienced such heartbreak, loneliness and rejection that they strike out at any moving target
8. Or here is another one I almost forgot. Bullies are ususally poorly educated and can’t compete with anyone in a good debate. They get frustrated easily and have a tantrum because they feel powerless.

Some scholarly articles for those who have the brain pan, let alone the willingness, to absorb new information, are available online. Time to grow-up and become Godly men… who can speak in a Godly manner. Because, after all, if you have a point to make, make it. Your intelligence wins you support… Your abuse of those who oppose you only creates opposition to what you support. No one intelligent (left, right or center) likes it or wants to be associated with this type of ignorant, childish behavior.

If you lefties had gotten behind Hillary, we would not be having these problems. Just admit it. You don’t like strong women. Pelosi ? Let her run for President and watch the attacks. From the boys on the left as well as the predictable noise from Fox. Hillary was much more qualified. She would have been better. You’ve made your bed. Now lay in it.

KMLake said:
No one intelligent (left, right or center) likes it or wants to be associated with this type of ignorant, childish behavior.

Right on!

Case in point:

david r said:
If you lefties had gotten behind Hillary, we would not be having these problems. Just admit it. You don’t like strong women.

Partisans won’t agree on the definition of “strong,” so let’s just list a few prominent names that I consider strong and see if you can list as many. Keep in mind, this is just a partial list:

Albright, Madeleine
Boxer, Barbara
Cantwell, Maria
Clinton, Hillary
Ferraro. Geraldine (remember her?)
Granholm, Jennifer
Jackson-Lee, Shiela
Klobuchar, Amy
McCaskill, Claire
Mikulski, Barbara
Pelosi, Nancy
Richards, Ann (or her?)
Stabenow, Debbie
Wasserman-Schultz, Debbie

I don’t think of Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachman as strong women, I view them as bottom-feeding opportunists. Hillary Clinton exhibits her strength every time she ignores the slights of others, which is all the time (other than campaign rhetoric). She only mentioned the VRWC once, and only in answer to a question that was related to her husband. She is the very opposite of a whiner. Whereas, Bachman and Palin cry crocodile tears all day, every day. If they started their own institution of higher learning, it would be called the Victim Complex.

This tape of Palin doing make up is so pathetic it makes me vomit—-This media whore will do anything to stay in the limelight. She’s like Beck a drunk that has to always be grand standing for attention. Thats the only thing that makes them feel good about themselves. Some of the Bloggers was quite tiresome vomiting a lot of hate and limited vocabularyy. Contantly you are disgusting with you use of language showing how limited you brain develop but frankly you get off talking like that—Thank you Paul for you blog and yes the Palin and Bachman are truly bottom feeding oppotunists and the pathectic following—it is pretty scary what and where this country is heading when make up makes news. So sad that the standards for high office of our country would even entertain a Palin. So sad that just because you are in the news for the rating that you have anything special—what has happen to our country!!!!!!

Aw, how cute, the lengths Palin will go to prop up her bff Glenn Beck. Regardless of whether she is willing to help out Fox (which scratches her back, too) or not, her record speaks for itself:
Firing police chief because he wanted to keep Alaskans safe but her campaign contributors didn’t like how:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5713866&page=1
Mis-handled Medicare and Medicaid until she made it her own “death panel:”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/10/764573/-Palins-Death-Panel-for-the-Elderly-in-Alaska
Trying to get books banned (THIS is the real 1st Amendment issue):
http://www.librarian.net/stax/2366/sarah-palin-vp-nominee/
Saying coin design is “disturbing trend” when she thought it was Obama’s idea:
http://theweek.com/article/index/102830/Sarah_Palins_coin_controversy
Using “socialized medicine” to help herself, but not wanting it for other Americans:
http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Sarah+Palin+Canadian+health+care+link+critics+sick/2661120/story.html
Blaming her gaffes on Katie Couric, calling her a “gotcha journalist” instead of facing up to her mistakes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbQwAFobQxQ
Her own father admits Palin left Hawaii because brown people are not glamorous:
http://www.themudflats.net/2009/12/06/aloha-oy-palin-has-problems-with-hawaiian-minorities/
Plus the whole “abstinence-only sex ed ALONE and not comprehensive sex ed can be federally-funded in schools” while standing beside her is the PROOF it doesn’t work – THAT’S hypocrisy, and a big sign Palin is out of touch with the people. Regardless of whether you “think you could have a beer with her” or not, she is not good for this country in any office.

What a stupid thing to write…read that last line again.. if she keeps up lighthearted moments like this we will all find it that much harder to dislike her.. even though she is a baldfaced liar and opportunist!! This is the same kind of shit we heard about voting for Bush because he is he kind of guy you could share a beer with.. Remember that kind of thinking? Remember where that got us?